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>> 13 and I was smoking. My father said

that to me. He goes, "You know what's a

good thing about you? You never smoked

them down to the filter."

>> What a good kid. And what a great

family. And what a great family.

>> My sister smoked when we were in high

school. I was always like, "God, why are

you smoking? It's so stupid." Yeah. And

then uh I had to do a play once with uh

Adam Ferrara and a couple other people

and I had I was supposed to play this

>> something that a bunch of comics wrote

like funny little sketch thing and I was

supposed to play this like tortured

liberal arts student and I was like

smoking cigarettes.

>> So they wanted me to smoke cigarettes

while I was doing it. So I smoked like

15 cigarettes while we were

doing it and I threw up. I had a

horrible headache. I was like, "Oh my

god, I'm so high." Like my arms don't

move right. If you've never smoked

cigarettes at all and you smoked 15 in a

row during

>> Were you like an athlete, too?

>> Oh, yeah.

>> Oh, so that totally you up.

>> Oh, completely me up.

>> Yeah.

>> No, the first time I had a cigarette,

it's so terrible, but I was like, "This

is great."

>> I My body responded. I don't know how

like what you had is the very normal

experience.

>> It was just too much. One cigarette I

actually liked. I was like, "Oo, what a

head rush. This is kind of cool." I go,

"Now I got I kind of get it. I get why

you guys like this."

>> Interesting. But I had we were doing

this thing and I had to always be

smoking. So we had a rehears. We were

doing it all day and I wanted to try to

like feel normal with a cigarette in my

hand. So I kept smoking them and then I

liked them so I kept smoking them.

>> Yeah. It's it's a tough thing because

the thing about and I've been sober 15

years from alcohol and drugs and I look

at people that are really drunk. It

doesn't look appealing. It doesn't look

good. But when you see somebody with a

cigarette, it always looks good.

>> It looks like ah

>> it always looks good. You never say to

yourself like that person's going to

lose. Now, you'll get sick and die, but

you never go they're going to lose

control of their life,

>> right?

>> So, you look at somebody with a

cigarette and you go, "Oh, yeah. They're

having one. They're cool. It's fine.

They're using it to help hang on."

>> Yeah. And I never look cool with it.

It's like you look at an actor doing it

or someone at like the Khan Film

Festival.

>> Yeah. Someone like that.

>> Timothy Shalomé has one. He's the size

of one and he has one. And I go, "That's

fine. They probably in France or

something, you know what I mean? They

all do like that. So, you'll see

that and you go,

>> "You should get a cigarette holder to go

with your sunglasses." Those Hunter

Thompson cigarette holders.

>> Yeah.

>> That's your next move.

>> I just got the long stems with the

cigarette at the end of it.

>> Like 1920s.

>> Like 1920s. And

>> no, it's it's and it's the worst thing

because the smell is terrible,

>> right?

>> And it destroys your clothes and it's

very bad for your health obviously.

>> Yeah. But it is one of those things that

it's just such a good product. What

other product could they tell you it

kills you and we're raising the price

every year?

>> How about in England where they smoke

like crazy of actual cancer on the

cartons

>> that when you buy them and I was in

London and you bought one, there was a

like a dead baby on one of them. They

were like low birth weight. Yeah.

>> And I was like this is terrible.

>> And no one cares. They smoke more over

there than anywhere.

>> They smoke more over there. They don't

eat the way we eat. Like they don't

understand the way we eat gluttony. They

don't get it. There is there are there's

something called Toby Carvery like where

you can just like just ladle on Sunday

roast and Yorkshire pudding and stuff

but for the most part the portions are

smaller and people are more behaved in

that sense. But they drink more and they

smoke.

>> This is it. European World Cup fans

losing their minds over Taco Bell ranch

and unlimited refills. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Because they get sick when they come

here. They get sick because there's

chemicals in our food.

>> Somebody was telling me they went to

BIES and the the there was uh the soccer

teams were at BIES for the first time

and they just couldn't believe

it.

>> Of course,

>> imagine that's your first one of the

first experiences you have in America.

You walk into a BIES and you're from

Czechoslovakia or some

>> It's the it's one of the most American

places, as you've said, that exists. You

have this gas station, but that's also

like a weird theme park of food

and all kinds of other that you

could need.

>> Yeah. This guy, dude, lmao at this is a

gas station.

>> Yeah.

>> Well, do you see how big they are?

>> Yeah.

>> The first two 24 million views. That's

hilarious.

>> No, it's completely alien to their

culture. Yeah.

>> To have a place like that where you

could go buy the Costos are alien to

them. The idea that you could buy

mayonnaise in a bucket or jars and

things that you would keep like, you

know, like it's all they all think we're

preppers because if you go to like a a a

big grocery store chain, you're buying

food for a long period of time. They

don't do that there. They buy stuff for

like the week. They have small

refrigerators.

>> Yeah. Small refrigerators, couple of

days.

>> They don't have refrigerators like we

have, but also they don't have the same

amount of preservatives in their food,

which is why it's not poison,

>> right? They also don't think, and they

could be wrong about this, but they also

don't think the like they're going to

lose access

>> because of some

>> race war,

>> you know what I mean? Like there is a

little bit of planning that goes into

some of these grocery runs that does

seem slightly paranoid.

>> Oh yeah. Well, the news media over here

ramps you up. Oh, yeah. And you, you

know, you start thinking about

stockpiling gold.

>> Oh, yeah. Yeah.

>> Listen, when I lived in LA, when my kids

were young, I had an apocalypse truck

built,

>> right? that Toyota Land Cruiser I got. I

specifically I go I need a bugout truck.

Like a truck where I could store a lot

of in it and it can literally drive

over a mountain. That's what I need. I

need a car that's not just a road car,

right? I need a car that occasionally

might go sideways and you got to

get the out of here and you got to

drive through the desert.

>> Wow. And you and I've left LA multiple

times to make that drive. Not in an

apocalypse car, but because of fires,

because of riots. Like sometimes you

just got to get out of dodge. three

times. I got evacuated three

times when I lived there and it got us

close to like burning my fence down.

>> It's part of the LA experience to get in

a car. David Spade called me once during

the riots. He goes, "Your block is on

fire." I thought he was kidding, but

there was just overturned cop cars on

fire and it was like riots. This was

2020. So, I just got in my car and I

went, "Okay." And I drove to the desert.

That's part of the LA Yeah.

>> experience is fleeing.

>> That's what Palm Beach is.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. You Palm Springs.

>> Palm Springs, right?

>> Yeah. You flee.

>> Yeah. You flee.

>> You go. I mean, Palm Springs makes no

sense. It's hot as There's no

water.

>> Started with money.

>> It started because when when Paramount

Pictures was doing edits, if you were in

a movie, you had to be within 200 miles

of until the movie was finished editing.

It was in your contract. Palm Springs is

like exactly 200 miles from LA.

>> Oh, that's interesting. That's why they

started it. Hollywood that, you know,

they were like, "We own you. You can't

go anywhere until the film is edited. So

if you want to go on a vacation, you

have to go there.

>> You know what's interesting is like

Pasadena was where all the like

producers lived.

>> Yeah.

>> There is beautiful houses in Pasadena,

man.

>> Mid-century modern. Beautiful.

>> Incredible places like estates that just

seem completely out of place.

>> Totally beautiful. And

>> from another time.

>> From another time. Well, that's the

thing in LA now. You get the vibe that

your your Santino made a brilliant

point. And he's like, "It's not

Hollywood. It's Hollywood the sequel."

>> Like, you're not living in the thing

anymore. You're living in whatever the

second version of the thing is,

>> right? The second of the thing is second

version is tick- tocker.

>> Yeah. Whatever it is, it's not it's not

what it was. And every place seems a

little bit like a museum or like it was

cool 20 years ago or 15 years ago. You

know,

>> somebody recently said this and it's

perfect. They said LA is slowly becoming

Detroit.

>> Interesting.

>> Yeah. The only thing that might save it

is the weather.

>> The weather will help, but the industry

dried up.

>> So, the big industry in Hollywood,

regardless of whether or not is the

biggest economic industry, the biggest

industry in terms of like cultural value

and getting people to move there was

always show business and that's they

barely make movies anymore.

>> They overtaxed and overregulated their

biggest industry to other states and

other countries. Yeah. And most people

are making things all over the world and

very few I think at one time it was like

80 to 90%. Now it's 25 30% shot in LA.

>> Wow. It's a big difference.

>> That's a giant difference. Well, that

that arrogance of like this is the best

place in the world. Everyone's going to

come here no matter what. Right.

>> That that's the Gavin Newsome attitude

whenever he defends California talks

about how great the GDP is. we, you

know, we're the fifth, we we would be

the fifth largest economic,

you know, he starts rattling off all

these wonderful statistics and this is

like instead of acknowledging, yeah,

we've got real problems. People

are moving for the first time ever more

than they're coming here, we're losing

all these giant corporations that are

leaving. Instead of that, it's just this

we're the No one's doesn't m I'm

I'm very big on California. I'm bullish

on California. It's always going to be

amazing here. Well, it's what every

empire said until they fell, right? Like

there's we are the thing,

>> but people don't want to ever believe

that things can fall. It's so weird. We

we'll walk right through the coliseum

and go, "Well, this will never happen

again."

>> Right. When we landed in LA, I looked to

the right and that that warehouse was on

fire with 85 billion or 85 million tons

of chemicals in a warehouse that was on

fire. It was like a multi-day blaze. and

you're landing and you're looking out

the window and you're just seeing the

warehouse on fire and then there was a

car fire on the 405. Like I sold my

house, I have an apartment there now,

but like as I was going to my apartment,

there was a car on fire and I was as I

was landing the warehouse was on fire.

And you start thinking to yourself,

somebody doesn't want us here. Like

somebody wants us out. Like it almost

feels like we're being evicted by

nature.

>> By nature. Interesting. Maybe human

nature. by bad decisions, by everything

>> which is nature. Yeah.

>> You know, human nature is nature and

that the stupidity of humans is it's no

different than the stupidity of animals

when they go extinct.

>> Do you think it comes back any shot, any

chance?

>> Something has to happen, right?

Something big has to happen. I mean,

there there has to be something that

completely shifts the way LA looks at

itself. You know, it has to look at

itself as like a functioning business

instead of a giant scam for nonprofits,

right? was the a big part of LA's

problem is there's a bunch of people

that are in the empathy industry.

>> Yeah.

>> And they're in the you know we're

working for this and we're working for

that and and a giant chunk of their

money is going to that kind of show.

>> I did a great show at Oceans in Atlantic

City which is a casino there and the

owner of that casino was talking to me

and I said, "What would fix Atlantic

City?" Because Atlantic City has some

similar problems to LA but vastly worse.

>> Yeah. Way worse. and and uh he was

telling me he goes we have just a high

amount of people and a lot of social

programs in one area. So you have a lot

of people that are not for whatever

reason productive and they are living in

one area and everything that comes along

with that which is crime which is you

know vandalism which is you know

disorder to varying degrees and he goes

you need to get rid of that in order to

have a climate where businesses can

thrive

>> 100%

>> which is what happened in New York in

the '9s people hate it they don't want

to admit it but what happened in New

York in the '90s was

They did clean up a lot of the crime and

and a lot of businesses then felt better

about investing

>> 100%. That's what Giuliani did.

>> That's what he did. Yeah.

>> And he's demonized.

>> He's demonized. He's He's demonized. He

hasn't He's one of those guys where if

he had just done that and died, his

legacy would have been amazing.

>> But he's hung around for a while and

he's kind of gone into some interesting

tangents. So, it's one of those

scenarios where it's like had he just

cleaned up New York City and then left

public life, it would have been like

that guy, right?

>> But he hung around a little bit and, you

know, got involved.

>> They always have to hang around.

>> They always hang around. You're going to

do shows. You're always going to do

standup. You know, that's right.

>> You're always going to do shows.

>> But he did such a good thing and then it

was like just

>> Yeah.

>> Just exit.

>> He's also, you know, he was easy to make

fun of. Like that time where he was

sweating and his dye from what I mean,

you know what I mean? He's melting. He's

doing a hair conference in a parking

lot.

>> Don't dye your hair. You're 100 years

old. It's okay to have gray hair.

>> It's just these guys. There's so much

silliness on both sides. You know,

there's so there's silliness on the left

and silliness on the right. There's

goofy people because the only kind of

people that want that kind of position

of power are a little goofy, right?

>> You don't get the best and the brightest

and the most enlightened that want to be

the mayor of New York City. It's like

not the job. You get a lot of people

that want power and they want influence

and they you know I think a lot of that

>> the AI stuff which is very interesting

is starting to I think it might I I

don't know how

quickly it will do this but I do think

it's going to it's going to lessen some

of the cultural divides and I think it's

going to potentially unite people

because it's I I think it's going to be

the next fight seems to be about

surveillance, privacy,

your your own rights, what rights you'll

have. Like I feel like that will be it

might take precedent instead of like

these cultural fights that people have

been having for a while. It might be

like people might be demanding autonomy,

you know, from artificial intelligence.

The problem is going to be if you can't

demand if you if you don't have a voice

anymore. And this is the potential

nightmare scenario that we're seeing

play out slowly in England.

>> So in in England, their freedom of

speech has been suppressed to an

alarming point where people are not

freaking out nearly enough about it. The

amount of arrests that people get over

there for retweets and likes.

Retweets and likes.

>> That's so crazy to me that you could get

arrested for liking a tweet. Arrested.

Not even retweeting. Cuz we all know if

you like you're a piece of You

should retweet.

>> We all know that

it retweet it. So to and if you're going

to go to jail, you might as well retweet

it anyway. If you're going to get locked

up

for a retweet versus a like.

>> I'm sure your honor, my client just

liked this. They were confused. They hit

a button. So as soon as you have people

that feel like the the reality of the

world they live in is not being

represented and they're not allowed to

complain about it online because if they

complain about online they get arrested.

So right now it's for immigration

primarily. This is the big one.

>> But that could change that could change.

Well, it does seem to be that they they

feel that there was a decision made by

somebody that

the public can only discuss issues in a

very rigid way. They can only offer

their you like I if not everyone who's

talking about immigration is doing it in

the most articulate way, but it's their

right to do it. It's their country. They

should be able to say,

um, I'm worried about increased levels

of immigration, you know, and they

should be able to say that in in an

ineloquent way. Right.

>> Right.

>> So, what they're doing now is they're

policing certain words and I think

certain ways of speaking and they're

calling a lot of things uh an incitement

to violence. Now, some things clearly

are an incitement to violence, but you

know, the internet, people speak in a

colorful way. People talk using irony.

Some people are trying to be funny. Some

people are So, I I think the way that

they're doing it over there is they're

they're basically looking at these

statements and going, "This person is

inciting violence and threatening the

public good by what they're saying."

>> Right? And then there's also people were

getting arrested for saying that there

were rape gangs.

>> And there were

>> and there were.

>> There were.

>> And so this new report, who released

this new report that said a quarter

million people, it says UK scraps police

probes of legal social media posts after

review says response went too far. So

this is uh April 1st, 2026. Uh but I

just saw a thing about a guy getting

arrested like a few days ago. And we

have rape gangs here, but our ours are

more successful.

>> I think that's a

legal social media post is which weird.

So legal social media post, right? Their

law is different than our law. They

don't have freedom of speech over there.

So incitement to violence is a violation

of their law, right?

>> So when it says legal, it could just be

they went too far for things like like

cartoons or something like that. That's

not clearly not an incitement to

violence. But would it find out, Jamie,

what that report was about the rape

gangs? I was just there for 21 days. I

was in London. I went to Paris for a

couple of days, but I was in London

primarily for 21 days. And you talk to

different groups of people. And London

is a global city. It's a cosmopolitan

city. It's like New York. And, you know,

I think one of the things that,

you know, they're they're used to

diversity there. And so they're not

full-on panicked about different types

of people coming in. But there is

undeniably a real problem um outside of

London, also in London, but outside of

London because a lot of the economy is

stagnated. So you're bringing people in.

It's not clear immediately what jobs

they'll do. And a lot of their cultures

vary greatly from the English culture in

a in a meaningful way. And that could be

the rights of women, that could be the

rights of gay people, that could be the

opinions about freedom of speech, that

could be freedom of religion, whatever

it is, there is a cultural tension there

between, you know, immigrants, migrants

coming in and this the very established

society that's been around for a very

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Like we were talking right before the

show. Is it about Dearborn? Is that

where it is?

>> Dearborn, Michigan. Yeah.

>> So we're a bunch of really progressive

people. Thought it's amazing.

>> Bring everyone in. Everyone Everyone's

welcome. And so they got enough Muslim

people in there where they could vote in

a mayor. And then this guy says, "No

more pride flags."

>> No more pride flags.

>> Yeah. And they're inching towards what

they would like. Yes. Which is Sharia

law. If you ask most people who live in

these Islamic countries. Now again, if

you're asking them, they're probably

under duress. They're probably terrified

of saying the wrong thing. So you've got

to factor that in. But at least a

percentage of them think Sharia law

would be a great idea. I think there's

certainly a

Yeah. I mean, and this was covered up,

too. A lot of the grooming gang scandal

there.

>> Yeah. So, we're looking at it right now.

It says this is on uh National Review,

the UK's horrific rape gangs. So, this

but there was is this

the rape gang inquiry report, right? So,

who put this report out?

Uh members of Parliament and Restore

Britain party leader Rupert Low. And so

the investigators had limited power such

as inability inability to compel

witnesses or require sort of document

production that could cooperate some of

the most heinous victims. Viewed with

those limitations in mind, the

independent report is a damning

collection of victim testimonies that

vividly portray the sexual terrorism

that occurred nationwide for decades.

>> Oh Jesus Christ.

>> Yeah, this is terrible. I mean obviously

I mean the the

>> I think they said it was 250,000

girls

>> and this was covered up because the

media didn't want to inflame anger

against you know population of migrants

>> right

>> most of whom I'm sure were innocent of

this obviously

>> obviously

>> but it is something that you know in a

free society everyone has the right to

know if there are rape gangs in their

country and who's operating them

>> but isn't that crazy that in the under

under the guise of progressiveness.

Yeah, you've enabled rape gangs.

>> Well, 100%. It's crazy, but it's also

incredibly

>> It's not shocking because

the ends justify the means approach of

politics seems to be what we're doing

right now. Whereas basically if the goal

is to just eliminate,

you know, whatever whatever it's being

called like this patriarchal white male

dominated society and if you want to get

rid of that and that's the end goal, a

lot of people ignore what happens in the

middle. Like a lot of people aren't

super concerned about whose rights are

being respected in that process because

their end goal really is to kind of

decrease the power of um people they

disagree with, you know. So, I mean,

it's like, you know, you know, it's hard

to look at this and not see a design.

And I don't I don't quite know exactly

where the design comes from, but it's

it's odd that this is all happen stance

because everybody knows it's happening

and people are afraid to talk about it.

So I I would imagine that at some point,

you know, for example, like countries

like Ireland right now that are having

lots of issues over this, it's, you

know, they're part of the EU and the EU

would set migration policy for Ireland.

So the EU is a super national

organization that would basically say

here's how many migrants you have to

admit. Here's your carbon emission

standards. Here's your, you know,

monetary policy, whatever it is. And

Ireland is kind of in that in that

sense, they feel like they're losing

their sovereignty. They're losing their

ability to chart the course of their own

country to a super national

organization that's that primarily seems

concerned with the economics because if

you bring in more migrants you can

artificially grow the economy which is

what they're doing. A lot of people in

Europe are not having children. So, a

lot of these economies are run by people

that are not really too concerned about

the the cultural landscape of bringing

migrants in. They're looking more about

how do we grow this economy? How do we

get cheap, you know, help and and how do

we get workers? And a lot of it is

you're you're getting third world

migration. Some of it's genuine refugees

for sure, but a lot of it's economic

migration. People are coming for better

life. Hard to blame them. But do the

people that live in those countries get

to have a better life? That's the

question. If you lived in Ireland, do

you get to have a a better life? Do do

your economic prospects get to grow? Do

your children get to own property? Do

they get to have health insurance and a

job and things like that? And it no one

seems that concerned about that. like

these these citizens who've lived

forever in these countries whose

grandparents have fought and died in

wars to secure the freedom of some of

those countries you know Britain UK you

know things like that those citizens

seem to not be as prioritized as people

coming in from other countries and

that's one of the big problems

um that they're having there well is

it's it's really interesting to watch

because if there is a plan I It's not

interesting. It's kind of horrific. But

if it it's interesting in that

>> it can be both.

>> It can be both.

>> Sure.

>> Um if there is a plan like whose plan

and who's benefiting from this? Like why

why would you do this? I think it's a

small group of people that concern

themselves primarily with economic

matters that don't care that nation

states have cultures and histories and

customs. and that doesn't really that

doesn't bother them as much. Um, and

their their basic their basic uh, you

know, response is to just deal with it

and to call everyone a racist who

questions it or to say everyone's uh,

jingoist or ethnosentric or

anti-immigrant or whatever. They shut

down those conversations. And I think

it's because a lot of people believe

more in a global world and they don't

believe in a world of nation states that

have their own ability to govern

themselves. They want to take that power

economically

from those people and then eventually

they want to take it culturally and

every other way. So they just want to go

around the world and say here's the way

every country will look. here's the

economic policy of every country and if

the people in those countries don't like

it and they express, you know, that on

social media, they're going to get

kicked off. And if they organize in the

streets, they're going to use, you know,

military authority to to fire water

cannons at them or shut them down or use

gas or whatever. And if there's a

genuine

resistance movement to some of it,

they're going to infiltrate it and turn

it into some psychotic thing, which they

do all the time,

>> right?

>> So, it's hard to see it. Not to sound

like a paranoid nut job, but that's what

I am and how I've made my living,

>> but I think it is clearly someone's

design. This isn't happen stance. None

of this has to happen. We don't have to

invade countries,

sponsor coups,

steal resources, and then

like drench our our communities in in

guilt and say now we have to bring all

those people here and you have to deal

with it. None of that has to happen.

That's that's a strategy of of a group

of people that want to keep perpetuating

this. Do you think it also has a one of

the factors might be that they want

conflict? The more conflict people have

in the streets, the less they're going

to pay attention to what the

government's doing.

>> Well, 100%. I also think the more chaos

in the street, the more likely you're

going to be willing to accept

>> new laws.

>> New laws, new technologies,

>> and you're going to just say, "I want

peace."

>> And I don't care how we get it. I don't

care how we achieve it.

>> Yeah. And I think that's very possible,

but it does feel like it it's it's on

the road a little bit to where people

want a uniform standard across. But as

you've said earlier in this, it's very

interesting because this uniform

standard is supposed to include

non-binary art students in Vermont and

religious Muslims from North Africa.

Yeah, good luck.

But I mean that's but it's amazing that

the people that would be most opposed,

>> the people that like if you do bring

those people in, the people they're

going to hate the most are the people

that want them in the most.

>> They're the ones who are most likely to

say we shouldn't have some border that

keeps some person from coming here and

no person's illegal.

>> And the people that want them in the

most, I think, are not even the people

bringing them in. They're being used,

>> right? They're being their suicidal

empathy. Their empathy is being

weaponized. It's being used people,

right? So people that are

>> manufacturing

this reality are using those people.

These are the same people who really

don't care if people in the state over

have healthcare,

>> right?

>> These are people that haven't spoken to

their sister in two years,

>> right?

>> And they care a ton about people in the

Ukraine or people that are coming over

from Syria, whatever. But we up

Syria. We put that guy in who used to be

in ISIS. We got rid of Gaddafi. There's

slave markets in Libya,

>> right?

>> So, we did that. We sent refugees all

through Europe. We destabilized all of

Europe. And

you know, you can't take us out of it.

You can't take Western powers out of it.

You can't take Israel out of it. You

can't take the US and Britain and France

and a lot of other powers that have

destabilized these countries and sent

these people

flooding through Western countries,

European countries.

Yeah. Fun. It's going to be a fun next

50 years.

>> It's kind of crazy when you see images

of France. There was a a video of France

from 1998 from Paris.

>> Yeah.

>> Versus today. They showed like 1998 and

then they showed

>> different. It's a different thing. And

you know, listen, some of that's

inevitable. The world changes,

>> different groups of people, you know,

but then you look at in Ireland, this

guy just got beheaded

>> uh in the street, which I'm against and

I think is wrong.

>> And um he beheaded some guy, a migrant

who had been brought in, had beheaded or

damn near beheaded, tried to. And

there's a video of it and and and now

Belfast like you know it's probably

quieted down now but there were like

tremendous riots. They were like burning

things down because they're like we

never got a vote on this.

>> We never got a vote on on bringing the

people in.

>> Yeah.

>> We never got a vote on that. No one ever

asked us how much demographic change we

wanted in our country and how quickly

and what we were prepared to do. No one

ever asked that. People don't like to

admit it, but an armed population,

it's much more difficult to pull things

off% population. And that's another part

of the problem with the UK, with

Ireland, all these places. It's very

difficult to have a gun.

>> Diversity also relies on a very

productive economy. So, New York City

works to do to the degree it does

because people can go out and get jobs

because the economic

um reality of the city is that it it can

support a lot of people coming in. There

are a lot of jobs for those people. Um

but when you have a stagnant economy

like many parts of the UK, that's a lot

harder. It's a harder cell. Harder to

assimilate people into a landscape where

the people there are not doing well.

Like the people that have lived there

forever are not thriving. They don't

feel great. Their prospects economically

aren't great. And now you're bringing

all these new people who also are

struggling to find work. So that's part

of the problem. Do you think that this

is being done with a a strategy knowing

that AI is about to completely disrupt

society?

>> Yes. One I believe this is what I

believe. I believe

no one for example, no one's trying to

get anyone in this country to own a

house. No, people pay lip service to the

idea, but there's there's a lot of

people now, a lot of them are my age who

have never owned a home and never will.

And no one's trying to no one's wants

them. They've forgotten what owning a

home feels like. They've forgotten what

it feels like to like have a yard where

you can invite people over and drink a

glass of wine and smoke a cigar and

watch a game. And they live in a little

apartment. They type, you know, they're

on a MacBook. They're getting

radicalized in any direction. they're

upset, they're on dating apps or

whatever, but they they they don't feel

like they have a uh foundational core to

their life. No one has really

even given them the idea that they're

going to get that. So, I think that's

just one of the things where people are

they're basically saying like, "No, you

don't need a house and you're not

getting a house and forget what owning a

house was." Like, forget that. That

doesn't matter. And I think part of this

is because they know the same thing with

health care. There's no real movement to

give anyone health care in this country.

And if it is, it gets shut down

immediately.

So on the positive side, you might go,

well, they know that AI is coming and

that AI is going to do a lot of stuff

with health and it's going to help

extend life spans. And but also on the

negative side, they go, "Yeah, it's

going to disrupt the economy to a point

where like we're not going to have

people owning homes and cars and things

like that. We're going to have a lot of

people without a steady income or they

don't really know what to do. We're

going to have a lot of wealth that's

existed, uh, a lot of capital, and we're

going to have tremendous inequality, and

we're going to have a lot of

joblessness." So for sure I think that

they're they're preparing for that. I

mean there's no way you can look at the

landscape because they're selling the

country off for parts and this is both

parties and this is like they're selling

it off for parts. So, I mean, obviously

there something's coming. Something's

coming for sure. And I I don't know when

it is. And I'm sure the AI thing's

overblown to an extent. And I think so

much of our GDP depends on it that a lot

of these companies are are but

anthropics are creepy. These are creepy

companies, you know? I mean, they're

just creepy.

>> Well, the amount of power Yeah. that

tech companies have in general totally

>> is unprecedented. There's never been

corporations I mean unless you go back

to like the East India Corporation that

you know you go back in the day where

they they had like an enormous army

right you know totally and they took

over India and Pakistan and

>> the but if you look at what they're

doing it's very different than that

>> you know other than the army part what

they have is robot armies and then they

have AI which Elon just recently said is

going to be like a million times smarter

than the the smartest human that's ever

lived Right?

>> Like this is the goal. The goal is to

create literally a digital god. And it's

going to be controlled by not us, not

the collective human race. It's going to

be controlled by a select few group of

people. And that's weird. Like, and

we're just trusting them. Well, that's

why you're not getting a vote on

immigration levels or you're not going

to get a vote on, you know, like

>> I think the the the reality is that

eventually they're going to go, "Do you

want safe streets? Do you want food? Do

you want a little bit of money? You got

to do X, Y, and Z. You got to believe X,

Y, and Z.

>> Yeah.

>> And I mean, that seems to be coming.

>> And uh it seems like if you put people

in a corner, you get them scared,

they'll This is what we learned during

co like they will back down. They'll

they'll go along with a lot of stupid

>> They'll go to they'll go they'll try to

find comfort

>> and they will listen to people that they

deem to be worthy. Yeah. you know,

>> they'll trust the government, which is

wild. The left is the people that trust

the government.

>> Well, you have all these studies that

come out. You know, this is the thing

and I like I love London and I the

people there are great and they're fun

people and everything like that, but

they have a you know, because they they

get healthcare. They get a little more

from their government than we do.

There's more trust in their government

than we have in our government. And

there there's there's positives to that

and there's negatives, but they they are

a society of rules and customs and order

and it is a bit different. And so I

think they are more likely to go along

with the grand plan of the government

more so than the United States where we

really do question

more what's happening than people in

Europe or the UK

>> overall. Yeah. Well, that makes sense,

right? They have socialized health care.

They have Isn't their education paid for

completely? Isn't

>> they have good stuff? They have a good

life.

>> Yeah. There's benefits to that.

>> Totally. there's like a balance to be

achieved. I've always said that like in

this country it's foolish that we don't

have that we don't pay for higher

education. Like the more educated people

the better. Like the the less losers the

better.

>> Part of our country is is you know we're

we do we we manufacture a lot of

geniuses. We also manufacture a lot of

psychopaths. That's what our culture

does.

>> A lot of sociopaths.

>> A lot of sociopaths.

>> A lot of people that don't give a

about anything.

>> A lot of people that don't care about

anything.

>> Yeah. And it's that's the thing that

comes along with the gluttony too,

right? It's celebrated and they don't

even realize that that outward gluttony.

It just inspires all these eat the rich

people. The whole thing is out of

balance. That's what I would describe

America. If you had to describe it in

three words, it's just out of balance.

It's out of balance. It does. And it's

hard because we've got 350 million

people.

>> It's hard to b, you know, and it's like

what do the people in Menllo Park have

to do with the people in Baton Rouge

have to do with the people in Canari?

Like, yeah, I get it. It's a weird

place.

>> You have all these different climates,

habitats, people have different

interests. But I think AI might unite

people because like the idea of this as

such a powerful force if people don't

start getting cognizant of it eventually

and start, you know, talking about

regulating it or anything. You know, I

do think it's it it it is going to be,

you know, a very strange time if people,

>> you know, just ignore it forever.

>> It's going to do something weird. I'll

tell you that it's not going to be nor

like whatever is coming over the next 20

years, no one is predicting it.

>> I get the feeling when you see a lot of

these tech guys start adopting

Christianity.

>> How about Peter Teal's like that whole

Antichrist thing?

>> Yeah, he does that whole thing.

>> What is he doing? He gave a

lecture on the Antichrist.

>> There's a bunch of lectures on the

Antichrist. He's fascinated with it. And

and a lot of those guys are are are

moving into this interesting area of um

this is this is God wants this.

Like JD Vance, who's not the worst

person obviously, and I think he's the

sest voice in that administration about

the Iran war for sure. I think he's by

far one of the only people in there

going, "Let's calm it down." which is

why a lot of the big donors are are are

slinging mud at him, you know. But

again, it's just he just released a book

about faith and reconnecting with his

faith. I'm sure it's a lovely book.

Haven't read it. Fun beach read. JD

Vance is reconnecting with his faith.

Great, inspiring, amazing. We'll get to

it. Haven't read it. We'll get to it.

Top tier. But,

you know, it's also interesting because

like some of his donors are huge tech

guys.

And it's it's it's all of these worlds

existing together where you have this

world of people who are trying to build

a god and the world of people who

already believe in a god and trying to

get all of those people in the same

tent. That's interesting.

>> It is. You know, imagine if that's where

God comes from. If this is a a natural

process for human beings and their

curiosity and insatiable need for

technological innovation. Then what

happens once we get God? Like once let's

say we bring this god in then what

happens?

>> Nirvana.

>> Nirvana.

>> Yeah. We we all merge becomes perfect.

>> Interesting. So we all merge and that's

perfect.

>> It's fine. Don't worry about it. We're

all going to merge with the machine.

>> Interesting.

Because people do believe that. At one

point in time, cavemen had to be looking

at the wheel going, "Man, I see where

this is going to go,

>> right?

>> This is going to my whole gig up.

My whole gig is making weapons out of

stone and tying them to a stick with

tendons and then chasing an animal and

sparing them. And now these

invented guns and these

invented arrows." And with

every progression of techn like bow and

arrows, technology changed everything.

Horse riding, figuring out how to ride a

Well, that's like a new innovation,

right? Ride a horse now. Now you can

move a lot faster. You get a lot of

things done. Some guy figured out a

wheel. All right, drag the wheel. Put a

cart on it. Now we can carry stuff with

us, right?

>> More than the stuff that you could put

on a horse. Get a couple horses. They

pull a wagon. Oh, great. Hey, this guy

figured out a engine. We don't

need horses anymore. All right, let's

make the whole ground everywhere hard so

we could roll around with these machines

with internal combustion engines. And

then it just keeps going and keeps going

and keeps going and keeps going and then

one day it's unrecognizable just like it

is now. If you showed Australia Pythecus

Manhattan in 2026, they'd be like they

would freak out. They'd probably start

screaming. They wouldn't know what to

do. They would be horrified.

>> But do you think like if we showed Peter

Teal 2050, he'd go, "No, that's it. Like

that's what I want." Like whatever 20

Like do you think the guys now have a

real idea of what it's going to be?

>> No. I think I think there's a lot of

guesswork. I don't think it's possible.

I don't think it's possible to know what

these things are going to do when they

become sentient. I don't think it's

possible if you if Elon is correct. If

Elon's correct and there's something

that's a million times smarter than

human beings and somehow or another is

why would we let people govern? Why

would we let people build that stupid

rail station in California

that's cost how much money and it's

produced what?

>> How much how much track was done? Why

would they let people do that when you

could have AI do that?

>> But if a if something's a billion times

smarter than human beings, it's going to

go, we're not building a rail station

for these fat

>> you know? I mean, seriously, it's going

to go, why would we build a rail station

for these people so they can get drunk

and go fight each other?

>> How about we get rid of them?

>> Well, maybe it's we don't even need to

do that because we can make you travel

instantaneously from here to there. We

create little mini wormholes all over

the country. You don't need a car

anymore. you just press a button and all

of a sudden you're at Starbucks. You

know, we'll do something.

I just look at technology and I go, it's

made the world better in many ways, but

in a lot of ways it hasn't. And it did

stop around 2014, 2015. A lot of the new

things started that came in made the

world to me very impersonal, corporate,

sterile, and cold.

>> Yeah. and the experiences that you get

now like I you know there was like you

if you you know I went with a friend of

mine we we were in a McDonald's and like

you order on a touchcreen there's nobody

there's some nine-year-old kid going hey

I ordered a McFlurry some woman

screaming at him where's the receipt

what's the receipt he's like nine he's

like what there's a weirdness when you

take people out of everything

>> you take people out of everything and

then you don't also they have no purpose

>> right especially you consider the high

number of unemployed people and checked

out people and then people that have

whatever their job is has nothing to do

with what they enjoy. So if they just do

the job and then afterwards they're just

watching television all day. That's a

lot of people. They're just watching

their phone. They're playing video

games. There's a lot of people that

don't have any purpose. They don't have

a feeling of purpose. They don't have a

thing that they're connected to.

>> But some experiences are much worse now

than they were sure

>> before they were digitized. Like I do

think there was just pressing a button

and getting something on Amazon is much

easier. But there was something nice

about going out in December during the

Christmas season and like going to

different places and seeing people and

like the struggle of like getting the

thing you want. There was something I

bet you were expending energy. You're

walking around, you get a cup of coffee,

you see people. If we destroy all of

that, what happens to the human psyche?

That's my question. Well, if we had an

anxiety meter, if we could see like

anxiety, like levels of measurable

anxiety over time, I guarantee you from

like whatever the age of the internet

kicked in. So, it's like what 94 or

something like that. I think it probably

slowly ramped up until social media came

up and then it's probably significantly

higher than it's ever been before

without real threats.

>> Totally. like just regular anxiety from

reading things on your phone and

interacting with things online.

>> Well, people are very, you know,

attached to this idea that

>> they have to weigh in on everything that

they have to have a fully formed opinion

on everything and and the horrors of the

world are on full display in front of

them all the time.

>> Yeah. And they need to then not only

view them, which is scarring in and of

itself, but then they need to

contextualize them in a way that makes

sense.

>> Yeah.

>> Which I think is also another level of

stress. Am I a good person? Am I do I

have the right thoughts about this

thing? Am I being you know? So that to

me is also another level of stress where

like you would have never had to there

were people when I grew up

>> that just were really good at one thing

and they they didn't need to have an

opinion on something that was happening

a h you know a world away cuz they

didn't have the knowledge

>> and they weren't forced into forced into

expressing that opinion.

>> Yeah. and they were able to live in a

very in a much simpler way, in a much

happier way with real genuine

connections to people. And I think the

fact that nobody feels like they're able

to do that now, like the generation

that's coming up, you know, the younger

people, I I they seem better off like

the Zoomers or whatever they are, they

seem to be a little they have a little a

dose of nihilism, but I think it's

appropriate. They're a little, you know,

they have good sense of humor. They're

skeptical. They're a little cynical.

They've seen all of these institutions,

you know, turn out a lot of garbage and

I think they're they're into, you know,

some of the crypto stuff. They're into

like, you know, they're they're

selfarters. They are they're not

institutionalists. Everyone I grew up

with and the generation directly under

me, they're all institutionalists.

They believe very strongly that

knowledge is given through an approved

whether you're at NYU or whether it's

the state department or whether it's a

board or whether it's or whether it's uh

an a nonprofit that commissioned a study

that proved a thing. A lot of these kids

do not think for themselves. They don't

and they're not kids. They're in their

30s, by the way, and they're in their

30s or 40s. They don't think for

themselves. They've been taught that

thinking for themselves is bad. It's

racist or it's it's uh it can lead you

down a road that you don't want to go

on. It's um you know, whatever. It's

misogynist. It's homophobic. Like

whatever questions you're asking like

why are the Padres's gay why do the

Padres's have to wear gay uniforms? Like

that doesn't make any sense to me.

Like as a gay person, I never said why I

need the Padres's to be gay. Why are the

Padres's gay?

>> How does the P What does the Padres's

uniform look like? What it they're

making them wear like gay things on the

uniform

>> like pride stuff.

>> It's like pride stuff. I don't think

it's like a dildo on their head, but I

think it's like pride stuff.

>> They play in Dearborn.

>> It's not going to It's not going to go

well, but it's like why is City Bank

gay? Why is Chase Why is Chase gay? What

is it? Why does this help anyone that a

corporation is is trans? Why is Chbani

Yogurt trans?

What's the point of this? I don't

understand. Does this get people

healthcare? Does this make people happy?

Does this satisfy

>> it? It makes some people happy.

>> It makes some people happy that I worry

about because I just don't understand.

And it makes mo more people angry. And

that's why gay marriage has lost 11

points in support. More people are

annoyed. They're like, "We're all cool

with however people want to live their

lives." A lot of most people are, but

they're like, "Why is my bank gay?

When did my bank come out as gay? And

like I'm okay with it, but could

somebody have told me? Like what are we

doing? I don't This doesn't make

anybody's life better. It is the It is

just virtue signaling horseshit that

ends up doing the exact opposite of what

they want. They think it increases

acceptance. it decreases it because

you're shoving

a world view down someone's throat and

at the end of the day it's like if I

went to a restaurant for example I have

no problem with Scientology

on record by the way I like it I like

cults I like cults children have too

many rights put them on that boat

whatever you do see or make them work

don't rape them but make them swap the

deck, whatever they do on that boat. And

I don't have a problem with Scientology.

And I don't like the people who leave

Scientology and then rat on it after it

got them all these movie parts. I think

that's up, too. I think it's

up. I think they're rats. And I

know you've had some of them on. Sorry.

But I think they're rats. If you are do

something for 30 goddamn years and get

rich and famous, shut your mouth. Have

the dignity to go to your house and shut

your mouth about it. Don't then try to

go on uh your new era is that you're

going to dime on everybody in this thing

that made you rich anyway. But if I went

So that's just an aside. It's just an

aside. It's truly but that's the way I

feel.

>> Tom Tom Cruz hangs in there.

>> Hangs in. Can you imagine how gross that

would be?

>> How disgusting would it be if Tom Cruz

went out and he's like, you know,

Scientologist is really abused. Shut the

up. You're top gun.

You were Top Gun. This worked. Whether

you're gay or not, they covered it up.

They covered it up. You You said you did

something wrong. They said, "We'll audit

you. We'll put you in the box. You're

fine. Give us some money. Live on this

mansion. It's all fine." But if I went

to my bank and it was just all

Scientology for the month of June, I

would go, "This is a lot." Do you know

what I mean? So to me, I think it's like

this weird aesthetic politics that

people have where they just they need to

pin ribbons on themselves and go, "I'm a

good person. I have no problem with the

polyamorous orgy happening at Chase or

whatever."

Just shut up. This whole country right

now is being torn apart by people who

need to feel like they're good people

and they need to project their life onto

other people just to just live and let

live. People disagree with you. That's I

have good friends I disagree with like

on fundamental things, foundational

things. And I and I don't care. I don't

care because I think they're funny. I

think their lives are funny. They're bad

people.

Many of my friends are not good people.

I wouldn't even introduce them to other

people I cared about. But they entertain

me. And that used to be okay. Used to be

able to go, I like that guy. He's

entertaining. People go, "He's crazy. He

was in jail." You go, "Eh." You always

minimize. You minimize that. You go,

"Sure, he was. Maybe. I don't know what

happened between him and her. Someone

fell down the stairs. He's fun

sometimes." And you should be able to do

that. Not everyone's going to agree with

you. Not everyone's going to agree with

you. It's okay. You got to Life is too

short.

>> No. You want that. You don't want

everybody to agree with you.

>> No.

>> You You want to live in a world of

texture.

>> Yes. Yeah. You want to live in a world

you want to have the Joey Diaz's of the

world.

>> Totally.

>> You want to have some wild people out

there. They're fun.

>> And the problem with the generation

under me is they're all very like this

and they all went to the same liberal

arts schools that have taught them like

this orderly way of processing

information

and they're all afraid to like they like

say things. They see them in a very well

well the the well the rape gang they're

gangs that are raping well that's bad

but there's a lot of I don't know what's

been proven and there's a lot of racism

like it they just always they're so

afraid of having an independent thought

because they've been programmed their

entire lives they don't realize it

they've been programmed their entire

lives to believe a certain set of things

and their self-worth depends on those

things mattering.

>> Yeah.

>> The school you went to, the internship

you got, the corporation whose dick you

have to suck sometimes literally to stay

in it. That is where they derive their

self-worth from. So their entire world

crumbles if you challenge any of their

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for podcast listeners. Yeah. Yeah. And

it's um it's very confusing for young

people, you know, because the whole

thing acts like a religion. It acts like

a cult and you have to kind of go along

with every aspect of it or you'll be

excommunicated. Yeah. You'll be kicked

out just like you get kicked out of

Scientology. you get kicked out. And if

your life is and it's sterile and it's

corporate and it's boring

>> and and that to me is my one of my

biggest problems with with with with a

lot of people that I speak to is that

they seem genuinely

afraid to to use their mind for more

than you know what the allotted

functions are.

>> You mean afraid to express themselves or

Yeah.

even entertain thoughts in their own

head.

>> They want to avoid the punishment.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, it's a scary punishment. Have

you seen this uh new Army Hammer movie

that is out now?

>> No, but

>> some vigilante movie.

>> He's great.

Fan of him. Big fan of him. Think he's

great. Love everything he's doing. And I

like it. I like that you can't get

cancelled. People come right back.

>> Well, I don't know if he's necessarily

coming back. I mean I mean if this movie

is gonna bring him back I should say. I

mean I What did he say? I mean he said

he wanted to eat girls.

>> He wanted to eat a couple of people.

>> You know is that a problem?

>> But is it real? Is it just crazy talk?

>> Text me. Even if it was Is it consensual

or not?

>> I mean is it just saying wild things?

Like what is is it

>> Listen,

>> what is it?

>> He was he he his fantasy was that he

wanted to be accountable.

That was his like fantasy. That was his

kink. Now it was fake. But if it if he

was in a situation where it could have

been real, yeah, he would have tried a

heart. If

>> if Army Hammer if Army Hammer had the

money to arrange this, and some people

in our country do, um, if he had the

money to arrange it, he's trying to hard

>> 1,000%. And by the way,

doesn't make me hate him. Doesn't make

me hate him. As long as a person was

dead or ready, I'm against it. I would

never do it. But if you told me, this is

how open I am to different people. If

you told me army hammer, there was a

somebody died and there was a heart and

army hammer tried a little bit of the

heart, I'd go, "Hey,

fine. Live and let live." Do you know

the story of General Buck Naked?

>> No. General Butt Naked is a guy in

Liberia. So Liberia is a part of Africa.

I don't want to this up. So, let's

be let's check on this. I think what

happened in Liberia is

they released a bunch of slaves from the

United States and sent them to Liberia,

like after slavery was abolished,

>> right?

>> And I think Liberia has had a a series

of civil wars, like really crazy, brutal

ones. And in one of them, there's this

guy named General Butt Naked. And Vice

covered this guy. They they interviewed

him and essentially now he's a priest.

He's a preacher and he gave his love to

Jesus Christ and now he's saved. But

back then, well, good for him.

>> He would talk about how he would go into

war completely naked and then they would

kidnap children of the opposing army and

cut their heart out and eat it for

protection.

>> That's that's certainly an extreme way

to do it.

>> But he did that,

>> but then he found Jesus, so it's okay.

Well, it is certainly better. And that's

um Wouldn't the Mayans kind of do that

or was that human sacrifice?

>> They did a lot of human sacrifice along

with the Aztecs. What What happened with

Liberia? Is that an accurate depiction?

I don't want to this up.

>> So, Liberia was established in 1822 by

the American Colonization Society as a

refuge for formerly enslaved and

freeborn black Africans to relo relocate

to Africa. Yeah, there it is. Over

several decades, roughly roughly 16,000

freed slaves known as Americans

migrated there. While envisioned as a

sanctuary, the nation later faced its

own internal scandals regarding forced

labor and human exploitation.

Yeah.

>> Interesting.

>> Uh-huh. Um, see if you can find that

general butt naked guy, though. This

this guy this whole story is

crazy. Is this it?

>> Okay.

>> Jeez. Yeah. formed his own militia of

several dozen fighting uh several dozen

fighters known as the naked base

commandos or butt naked brigade, most of

whom were children as young as nine

operating under the Monrovia area with

his unit uh how do you say his name?

Blahi Blah blahi I'm not sure how to say

his name became known as wearing only

shoes and magic charms and eventually

adopted the nom digure general butt

naked his fighters followed his patterns

of dress which uh in line with his

distorted emulation of uh animist

tradition believed he could believe

could make one immune to bullets to fund

his wartime activities he and secure a

steady supply of drugs for his fighters

Balahi allegedly traded locally mined

diamonds and gold to Mexican drug

cartels in exchange for guns and

cocaine. Let's go. He

conscripted many of his fighters and

according to some accounts laced the

food he fed them with cocaine along with

showing them JeanClaude Vanam films and

uh to uh explaining that to them that

killing people was a game in an effort

to uproot the fear of death.

uh his fighters he and his fighters

perpetrated numerous atrocities although

the exact extent of the crimes they

committed have been subject to dispute

frequently discussed the alleged

atrocities he perpetrated which

according to Balahi including murders

cannibalism and h human sacrifice he has

repeatedly estimated that the naked base

commandos were ultimately responsible

for 20,000 deaths a claim which was come

under criticism okay

>> yeah and he's alive now and he's

religious

>> I'm pretty sure now Yeah,

>> have him on. And I bet he's a lovely

person.

>> That's the thing.

>> I', by the way, I would. He has an open

invitation. He's I open invitation.

Look,

>> he's got Jesus on his shirt.

>> He's led a full life. And there's

something about someone who has led a

full life.

>> This man has led a full life. There he

is. He looks like Beetlej naked.

>> Wow.

Crazy.

It's a

>> imagine seeing a dude naked with his

dong flopping running at you with an

AK-47 with kids blood all over his face.

>> I mean that's that's I mean that's

disturbing but I imagine that there are

very rich rich people in our country

seeing that and paying good money to see

it.

>> One of the things that we were talking

about with uh before the show started we

were out in the hallway. We were talking

about how

>> there's a giant chunk of the world

that's

>> Yeah. And what's coming into England,

it's not like

>> it's not unusual for other parts of the

world.

>> You know, if you go to Karach, that's

that's what life is chaos.

>> Yeah.

>> Like just chaos is making its way into

these protected bubbles and that's

what's freaking people out. We live in a

very privileged even even the poorest

and the worst which is obviously you

know it's not to minimize their

struggles

but if you go to any of those third

world countries you're very aware of how

privileged you are to live in a western

country and you know it also makes a lot

of sense why the people in those third

world countries would want to leave them

and go to other places for opportunity

and I think immigration ation's had a

lot of positive impacts on America and

it's had a lot of positive impacts on

Britain and other countries. And it's

not it's not the idea that immigration

is all bad or all good. It's the idea

that like you have to do things a

certain way because you know societies

are fragile. This is what we're

learning. We're learning that societies

are more fragile. When I grew up that

wasn't a common thought that our society

was very fragile, right?

>> We thought it was very strong. We

actually thought nothing could break us.

And then you look at a couple years of a

pandemic and most of the downtowns of

the American cities don't look the same.

Commerce has changed in a dramatic way.

The Iran war proved that you know

militarily our military is obviously

brave men and women. They're amazing.

But like the changing nature of warfare

has made military campaigns very

difficult. It's hard to look at this

Iran war as a victory. It's almost

impossible unless you're completely

dishonest. I don't think anyone is

looking at it as a victory. Um so I

think our vulnerability in you know to

threats foreign and domestic we are more

aware of that now than we have ever been

how fragile societies are. So when you

demographically change a society very

quickly which has never happened

historically. It took wars, long periods

of immigration. Now it's overnight.

People have to adjust to a new cultural

and and sometimes economic reality.

That's a very disruptive thing and

societies are very fragile and you've

got to be very careful about how you

alter and change a society because if

you do it too quickly there's a

tremendous backlash and you have to make

sure that

people want it changed that people are

on board with it. Not everyone. No one's

on board with everything. But like if

you went to a lot of people in these

countries that live in the bigger

cities, they would probably be very pro

immigration and and because immigration

has a lot of clear benefits to them.

They get food delivered all the time.

They have access to a lot a wide variety

of goods and services that immigrants

bring. A lot of them are awesome. A lot

of great food, you know. So obviously,

but again, if you went out into the

suburbs and you went out into areas

where the economies have stagnated,

areas where maybe you've had scandals

like this, grooming scandal and things

like that, um Sweden, whose crime rate

has skyrocketed because you've brought

in a lot of people from other places

that are selling drugs and not all of

them obviously, but like if you look at

that and those people have a much more

negative view of it because they don't

connect the benefits of it because they

don't they don't feel them in their

life,

>> right? They were living pretty sweet.

>> They were living good.

>> They were living pretty sweet. They're

riding their bicycles and eating

herring.

>> Pretty safe out there.

>> Pretty safe and doing what they wanted

to do. And then, you know, you have this

influx of people. You now have real

poverty. You now have a lot of people

>> also brought in people that came from a

war torn part of

>> a war torn country. Yeah. And not

everyone's going to be general but naked

who becomes a Christian pastor and is

probably lovely now. You probably see

him in HB you're like sweetheart

ate a few people maybe but now it's

better that guy not everyone's going to

convert not everyone's going to be you

know you're going to bring people in

that are people are products to an

extent of their environment like we all

are. So the idea that like you know

women have less rights in these

countries so the courtship rituals in

these countries are different

the familial relations are different

that's just the way it is. So and and a

lot of people there like that.

So, you know, why would

why would those beliefs and systems of

change just because you happen to be

living in Ireland,

>> right?

>> Why would you think Irish women or

British women would necessarily or

inherently get more respect than your

wives, daughters, sisters, whatever? And

I'm not saying that it's all like

throughout the entire Islamic world. I

think there's a lot of diversity in the

Muslim world and there are lots of

countries where there's arguments that

women are safer than they are in

America, but there's a lot of countries

where that's not the case and women have

far fewer rights and and it's pretty

barbaric. And I don't know why those

attitudes would change when they are

just in a different physical location.

The spectacular bizarness of it is that

the really kind left-wing people who

oppose

toxic masculinity,

>> right?

>> Oppose this sort of uh society that's

that that we're talking about this this

maledominated

society. Like you're inviting in

something that literally has that as its

doctrine.

>> Well, they think it can be tamed. So,

here's the thing with those people. They

love a challenge. This is the I can fix

him version of it. And to an extent,

cultural attitudes do change over time.

People do assimilate to certain

practices. That's not a completely

ridiculous thing to think. But they

really believe that once all of these

people come to these countries and see

how great it is to be a childless

40-year-old woman working in data entry

at a large faceless corporation that's

gay on Pride Month. the corporation goes

gay and when they see how happy she or

he or they is living in a society where

you don't own anything. You know what's

interesting about family? I just spoke

to a a comedian who went on a world tour

and he was in India and he was talking

about how poor people in India don't

live on the street, they live in slums

which it's it's better it's better to

live in slums than the street because a

lot of poor people are with their

families and they won't cast their

family out. Um family in America almost

means like nothing. like we've we've

kind of we've everything's such an

individual pursuit that family means

nothing and

like that's reinforced like I I am in an

argument with my father his wife has

different political views on c certain

things so we haven't spoken in a little

bit my cousin's getting married and I

told I have a therapist now that I've

had for 6 months who I don't know if

it's good or I don't know if you ever

know if a therapist is good or not and I

told my therapist says, "You know, my

dad and his wife are going to be there,

and I haven't spoken to them, but I love

my cousin, and I want to support our

marriage. I want to go." And my

therapist goes, "Well, you don't have to

go." SO,

my therapist goes, "If you feel like

it's going to make you happy, go." So,

therapy in our country is has become a

way to kind of enable like sick people