StopKillingGames took the ESA's bait; don't let Jennifer Gibbons off the hook & DON'T FALL FOR THIS!
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Hey everybody, how's it going? I hope
you have a lovely day. Welcome to
today's episode of Do Not Accept the
Premise of [ __ ] I am your host
Louis Rossmann and today I would like to
make a video on a giant mistake that I
believe some people in the Stop Killing
Games movement has made and what I need
you guys to do to fix this. This is
about a post I saw on Reddit that I was
linked to. It says, and I quote, "We
received reports of serious threats
towards individuals. While we're not
pleased with the ESA's behavior,
obviously, we received reports of
serious threats towards individuals.
This behavior does not reflect Stop
Killing Games' values and anyone found
to be doing this will be banned
immediately."
Senator, do you still beat your wife?
No.
Do you see what happened there? When you
respond to do you still beat your wife
with no, you've accepted the premise
that at one point in time you beat your
wife. If you say yes, then well, you
must still beat your wife. It's a
[ __ ] question. When you respond to
the premise of [ __ ] you always
lose. You're not supposed to play this
game. This is a very bad game to play
and it's a game that I've unfortunately
learned because I have been dealing with
this as I've tried to push Right to
Repair forward for the last 12 years.
I've dealt with politicians, I've dealt
with lobbyists. There are ones that I've
dealt with on the other side that have
been scumbags and then some that I've
hired on my own side that have been
scumbags that I learned picking out the
hard way.
This is a difficult lesson to learn. I
remember back in 2015 and 2014 when I
would show up to these legislative
hearings, there was one assembly person
that told me that there was a
lobbyist for either Apple or Samsung
that said that when I replace a fuse or
a chip inside of the motherboard, I'm
replacing it and I'm turning the Mac
into a PC. But then I misrepresent it as
if it's still a Mac to my customer,
which is fraud. That's crazy. That's
insane. And the reason that they were
able to say these things to get Right to
Repair and other bills killed is because
back in the day, you did not have
political YouTubers, you didn't have the
government website allowing you to
stream a committee hearing. They didn't
even have cameras in these committee
hearings. When I was showing up with my
old beat-up Sony NEX-EA50, I was usually
the only person that was actually
showing up to record what it is that the
opposition said. And they would say
insane [ __ ] They would say that a
MacTrometer in a microwave would
explode. They would say stuff like that.
They would say that running a Minecraft
server is illegal. And the reason they
got away with it is because there was no
accountability because they were used to
speaking to a room of three or four old
farts that didn't really know anything
about technology and they were not being
held accountable. What you're seeing now
is a rapid dose of accountability
because these hearings are now
live-streamed and you have people on
YouTube that find them and repost them
to their channels. So, something that
used to be viewed by three or four
people are now getting viewed by
millions of people around the world and
they're scrambling to figure out a way
to deal with this. And the way that they
have learned that they deal with this is
death threat, nasty emails. Hey, can you
tell everybody on your side to stop
sending me these nasty emails? And then
what you do, thinking you're a nice
person, I don't want people to be
harassed. I don't want people to get
nasty emails and death threats, is go,
"Oh, everybody, please don't send death
threats to that person."
What happens when you type that?
You have now accepted, tacitly, that
your side sends death threats to people.
See, here's the thing. If they say that
they believe that everybody on your side
are evil, mean, bad people. These gamers
are bastards, they're serial killers,
they're murderers, they send everybody
nasty messages. They told me to go kill
myself.
That's an accusation. Accusations
require evidence and it sounds like
slander. You You just can't do that. You
can't make unfounded accusations without
presenting any evidence.
But if they can get you to say it, now
Well, you I listen, I didn't say
anything. Look, even they are telling
their own community to be nice to people
because of they're so mean. Even they
know their own community is toxic. The
reason this bothers me so much is
because they're taking advantage of the
fact that they believe that you are good
people. The same way that some of those
Moms Demand Action people have been
tricked into believing this. David Tobin
was mentioning that in the past video
where they were literally told that this
is a gun printing machine, it's just
designed to print guns, that's what it
does. You just hit a button and it
prints a gun. And then they show up
opposed to this. They are taking
advantage of the fact that most of the
people in the Stop Killing Games
movement are actually good people that
don't want people to be harassed. So,
you get put in the situation where you
go, "Oh, no. If I say that they're
making it up, then I sound like Alex
Jones in the Sandy Hook shooting calling
it a false flag. And oh, I'm going to
tell the people in my audience, please
don't please be nice to people. I I want
people to be nice to people.
>> And the problem with that is that when
you do that, you are you are essentially
accepting the fact that there's only a
yes or a no answer to "Senator, do you
still beat your wife?" And you cannot do
that. I see that in the comments of the
thread that I'm reading. Half of the
people in that thread are saying this is
a false flag, they're making it up,
which puts you in the Alex Jones [ __ ]
category of that did not happen. And
then there is the side saying we need to
take accountability and responsibility
and we need to respond to this by
condemning this in our community, which
is accepting that this is real or came
from your community. When I say
accepting the premise of [ __ ] what
I mean is somebody has taken a problem
and put it in your lap that doesn't
belong there, and you turn into the
character I talked about. Oh, no, a
problem in my lap. Instead of doing what
you're supposed to do, which is take
that problem and put it right back where
it belongs. And there's and I would like
to instruct you on how you do that. I've
experienced this many times before and
I'll give you this a few examples of it
that I have here. There was a Senator
C.T. Wilson. He didn't know the
difference between source code and
firmware. And when I pointed out that he
didn't read the bill and that he didn't
know the difference between source code
and firmware, rather than come out and
admit that he made a mistake, he claimed
people were sending him all these nasty
racist emails. Of course, he never
presented any of them. He never showed
any of them. He never made a filed an
official complaint about any of them,
but he he said that they did. There was
a lobbyist that said that right to
repair is a solution in search of a
problem that does not exist. And after
hearing this over and over and over
again, I checked one of the lobbyist's
personal Twitter and I saw them say,
"I'm experiencing phone issues. The
phone is on, but the screen is black.
I've tried everything. It's time for"
and I could be clear, the last time I
clicked this was almost 7 years ago, so
I don't remember exactly what it said.
It's like, "a new phone if I can't find
a place to repair it." So now I can show
that her own statement is not only a
statement that's false, but it's a
statement that she knows is false
because she tried to get a phone repair
and had issues getting a phone repair
and now she's lobbying against right to
repair by saying that there's no
problem.
And it's funny, I'd never heard about
any sort of threats, any sort of
harassment before and all that came out
when I pointed out, "Look, she lied."
Never heard anything about any threats
before. When I point out that they lied
about something, that's when I hear
about it. Next, and one of my personal
favorites. In Colorado, there was a
right to repair bill that was passed
many years ago. It was a great right to
repair bill. A senator introduced a bill
that was mostly sponsored and paid for
by Cisco and IBM to try and gut that
right to repair bill. And when they were
trying to gut that right to repair bill,
the senator made a statement that the
governor said in his signing statement
that he wanted right to repair to have
an exemption for critical
infrastructure. So, I decided to read
the signing statement, and I saw it, no
mention of this. I actually couldn't
find a single mention of Governor Jared
Polis ever saying anything related to
this. So, I made a video saying, "Here's
what the senator said, and then here's
the actual signing statement. He lied."
Do you think that he came out and
apologized or provided a citation for a
statement? Of course not. Death threats.
Death threats. Death threats.
>> Political violence in any form are
unacceptable inside or outside of this
building. And if you are mad about a
piece of legislation,
send us a
>> You know, I did some research into this.
I actually asked around, were there any
official complaints filed?
No.
Were there any police reports filed?
No.
Okay. So, here's what I'm going to do. I
filed a police report many years ago,
almost 10 years ago, when a $200 bike
was stolen. I'm not even talking about
somebody punch me in the face and took
it violently. I'm talking about I locked
it to a telephone pole, I forgot it was
there, I came back a week later, and I
saw that the lock had been cut. I filed
a police report over a $200 bike.
And you're not filing a police report or
any sort of complaint over somebody
threatening your life?
That's crazy. So, here's what I'm going
to do.
It doesn't seem like you took this
seriously. So, because you did not take
it seriously, I'm going to take this
threat as seriously as you did, which is
not at all. And I'm going to continue to
focus on the point. How about this,
senator? I'm going to work with you. I'm
politically ignorant, I barely graduated
high school. I will give you $2,000 to
you personally or a charity of your
choosing, if you're not allowed to
accept my money, if If will simply cite
your claim. You said that the governor
said that this bill needs to be amended
because right to repair is so horrible.
Where did he say that? If I missed it,
then you could give $2,000 to children
that are starving right now.
I'm waiting for that citation, the same
way that I'm waiting for evidence of the
death threats, and evidence of a police
report.
I'm probably going to be waiting for a
long time. Less than a week later, this
happened.
The bill that he was introducing to
destroy right to repair failed, and I
never got my citation. I never got my
source, and I never got my police
report.
I never will. And we both know why
that's the case.
This is their strategy. They're used to
being able to fear monger over
legislators by saying that these parts
that don't actually exist inside of
microwaves will blow up and explode if
right to repair passes, and you can see
Jessa over here right about to bite her
hand because she can't deal with
listening to this complete [ __ ] and
not have anybody call them out on it.
Accountability is a literal shock to
their system, and they don't know how to
deal with it. And the same way that a
rat when cornered is going to start
scratching you,
in my opinion, [clears throat] they're
going to start doing the same thing.
Here's my statement on the matter. Ross
Scott has never conducted himself as
anything but respectful, and neither of
the people that he's worked with,
alongside the people pushing this
petition in the EU. This does not need
to be announced because it's been
already demonstrated by how you all
behaved. But, here's what I would say.
Here's what I think that your statement
should be. Moderators and leaders in the
Stop Killing Games movement are
upstanding citizens of the community
that will always happily and
enthusiastically cooperate with any form
of law enforcement to work to stop any
threats of violence. We always have, and
we always will.
Oh, you're you're you're saying that you
didn't file a police report? You You
mean somebody threatened your life, and
they didn't even file a police report?
I filed a police report when somebody
stole the tip jar from my store. It
doesn't seem like you care very much
about your own personal safety. But,
because I care about you, even though we
disagree on almost everything, because I
care more about your personal safety
than you do yourself, let's go down to
the police station and file this
together. I'll even talk about the
qualms that we had online and all the
people in my movement and everything
else. You can even include that in the
report. I'll talk about it with him.
Oh, you don't want to do that? You don't
want to file a report?
Okay, let's have a conversation about
why that is. Is it because you don't
feel like you're actually being
threatened? And if that is the case,
why?
I'd love to hear.
Oh, you don't want to talk about it
anymore. Now I see. Let's get back to
the discussion that we were having
before. Ma'am, can you explain why it is
you lied to the state senate and said
that playing Minecraft on a server that
was available on their own website is
illegal? Ma'am, can you explain why it
is you said that it is not true that
publishers are just killing games
willy-nilly in spite of the fact that we
have an entire database with sources,
citations, dates, names of everything?
You can bring the conversation back to
where it belongs. You are going to treat
their deflection as seriously as they
have treated the deflection, which is
less seriously than I treated a stolen
tip jar or a stolen used beat-up $200
bicycle in Bed-Stuy.
And you are going to get back to having
the conversation that needs to be had.
And you are not going to make this
[ __ ] mistake again.
Promise me.
These are highly manipulative people.
They know what they're doing. They are
more than happy to get up in front of a
group of senators and look them straight
in the eye and make [ __ ] up. That takes
a very special type of person, a very
manipulative type of person.
That is what you are dealing with.
And if that is what they are used to
doing every single day, imagine what
they're going to be doing to you.
Nah. You guys need a little bit more
training before you start playing this
game. You are dealing with highly
manipulative people. You cannot play
their game. You will never win playing
their game.
You win playing your game. You win by
taking their threats as seriously as
they have.
You win by not accepting the premise of
[ __ ]
Don't do it again.
That's it for today. And as always, I
hope you learned something. I'll see you
in the next video. Bye now.
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Louis Rossmann analyzes a strategic mistake made by activists in the 'Stop Killing Games' movement, who responded to accusations of harassment and death threats by apologizing and distancing themselves. Rossmann argues that this behavior is a trap—an 'accepting the premise' fallacy—that validates unfounded claims and empowers opponents to continue using manipulative tactics. He provides examples from his own experiences in Right to Repair activism, urging activists not to engage with false framing but instead to demand evidence or steer the conversation back to the core issues.
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