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>> You know what you are on my phone?

>> What?

>> Ari [music] the Wanderer. [laughter]

>> That's a new phone number.

>> That's not bad.

>> That's a new number cuz that's what you

are. I was telling you last night that I

I thought it was in Mexico City, but we

had a report that you were at an Oasis

concert in Mexico City and you said no.

It was in Rio.

>> Sa Paulo.

>> Oh, Sa Paulo. Okay. So, it was in

Brazil. So, we No one knew where you

were. You were gone for how many months?

Six.

>> Seven.

>> Jesus.

>> Yeah.

>> How many times have you done that now?

>> I guess three. Although, when I went to

Ecuador, I was very much in touch with

everybody.

>> So, it was like

>> That was a halfway.

>> That was a halfway.

>> But you were there. You were kind of

checked out.

>> I was gone for six months, but I was I

was in touch. I still had numbers. I was

still like doing like podcasts and

stuff. And

>> were you doing it remotely?

>> Doing remotely. Yeah. I would do one

with uh Big Jay and Soda. We did a 21

Jump Street Breakdown podcast.

[laughter]

Yeah.

Yeah. We were so bored during pandemic.

We're like, let's find a show and just

let's get together

>> and watch Jump Street.

>> First we chose Sex in the City and then

found out Gay [ __ ] Ian already had a

Sex in the City podcast. Um so

>> finance. Yeah.

>> Did he really? Dude, that guy blows

dudes. Obviously, he loves Sex in the

City.

>> Well, I guess so.

>> So, we're like, we don't want to step on

his toes. Like, let's pick another

>> He seems like he's straight sometimes.

>> He does.

>> It's weird.

>> Mhm.

>> Like, is he only gay?

>> No. No, he [ __ ] He [ __ ] better than

we ever did

>> for women.

>> Women?

>> Yeah.

>> Okay.

>> He gets it.

>> So, and then but then he went to guys.

>> He's a new breed. He's a new breed of

just like

>> When did he go to guys? Is that a new

thing?

>> I think he battled with it for a while.

>> Oh, okay. And so he was [ __ ] girls

but hating them. God, I wish you were a

guy. [laughter] Like that kind of a

deal.

>> Yeah. Yeah, I guess. Then he went to

glory holes and he was saying he wasn't

gay. I'm like, bro, that's

>> one of the biggest signs of a gay.

>> So you just stick your whole your dick

in the hole or you suck the dick that

comes out of the hole? Like was he the

glory giver or the glory taker?

>> You're asking me questions I don't know.

I I always assumed in my head it was he

was sucking dudes off, but but I'm I'm

actually not sure.

>> Yeah. Interesting, right?

>> It's interesting. Yeah, because if if

the dick comes through the hole, if

you're like, you ever want to suck a

dick, but I don't want to look a guy in

the eyes? I just want to know what it's

like. See if I'm good at it.

>> Yeah. I don't want to be embarrassed in

front of anybody. They're going to

recognize me later. I just want to work

on my technique. [laughter]

>> Yeah. I just want to find out if I'm

right.

>> Yeah.

I need more research. Not enough data

points.

>> Yeah. Because So, you didn't even ask

him which side of the glory hole he was

on? I think I was so overwhelmed by this

heterosexual dude who was telling me he

goes to glory holes

>> and so then he was heterosexual. This is

back in the day.

>> We did a podcast, my old podcast on the

way down to like somewhere

>> a skeptic tank.

>> Yeah. And and he was telling me that,

but he was telling me he's not gay. I

was like, "How do I say that?" Wait. And

I was like, "Buddy, I think you are

gay." He goes, "Why?" I'm like, "The

Glory Hill stuff. It's a big sign. He

goes, "God, do you think?" I [laughter]

was like,

>> "Do you think?"

>> I was like,

>> but you didn't even That's the crazy

thing is you didn't even ask whether he

sucks or gets sucked.

>> I was lost in it. You're right. As an

interviewer, I didn't do my job that

day. Obviously, that's a major question.

It's a one in two chance.

>> Yeah. Right. How do you not know?

>> How do I Yeah,

>> it's like very important to know.

[laughter]

>> It is cuz there is a percentage chance

it might be a chick blowing you. There's

no percentage chance. There's

>> 0% chance it's a chick blowing you. is a

vagina. The zero

>> 0% chance. It's 100% a guy or a guy

pretending to be a chick.

>> I bet there's a ton of those dudes who

have wives, you know, who live in that

world. Like, I thought I always thought

it was a woman. Like, shut up.

>> Yeah. Right.

>> Shut up.

>> Yeah. Plausible deniability.

>> Plausible deniability.

>> Yeah. So, then he just decided to just

go straight gay.

>> No, he's every He does everything.

>> Oh, no. He's like Miami bisexual.

>> Yeah.

>> Okay.

>> Yeah. So, we did this 21 Jump Street

podcast and uh and I would do it

sometimes. I'd get on, they'd be like,

"Are you drinking a coconut with a palm

tree behind you?" Like out of a coconut.

I was like, "Oh, it's just a Tuesday,

guys. What's going on?"

>> Uh,

>> they really milk it.

>> Cuz you're in Ecuador.

>> Cuz I was in Ecuador. I was having a

good time.

>> What is that that gay tea you drink?

>> Mate,

sherba.

>> So, you just got into this. It's

literally a jar of hay. It really is.

>> And you pour hot water. There's so much

hay in there. It's [snorts] so much. It

tastes You tried it?

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. It tastes like just kind of ass.

Yeah. Just

>> hay.

>> I don't understand.

>> It's like a ritual. It's all the gauchos

in Argentina and then spread to Chile

and southern

>> and so it's just a bunch of leaves that

are in

>> the yerba tree.

>> Yerba mate, right?

>> Yeah. But that that drink is like

different.

>> I've had that stuff.

>> I think that's different.

>> Really?

>> Yeah. I think it's about as much as like

what Willie Nelson's like drink is

actually weed. Oh, Willie Nelson's drink

is weed.

>> Really?

>> Oh, yeah.

>> They take it back then.

>> Oh, yeah. I don't know what the legality

of that is, and I don't want to throw

anybody under the bus, but Ron White

brought a bunch of it

>> to the mothership, and it's very legit.

>> Yeah, it it's it's all dose dependent. I

think one glass is like five milligrams

or one shot is like 5 milligrams, but if

you drink a glass of that [ __ ]

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. Yeah, you're going to you're going

to go into that weird dimension.

[laughter]

>> You know that weird dimension where

you're like, I think this is Earth, but

it doesn't seem like Earth anymore.

>> Something's off.

>> It's like a faximile of Earth.

>> Try to look at people like, you see what

I'm saying?

>> Yeah. I remember one time um I was doing

Fear Factor and we were in San Francisco

and uh back this is the unregulated

edibles days, you know, because this is

before marijuana was legal, but you

could get a prescription.

>> Do your joke. Can I do your joke?

>> Which one?

>> The X.

>> Oh, yeah.

>> I'll do it. You'll be best.

>> He goes, "This is early days." And by

the way, it was just like there's banana

bread uh going around now. It's killing

people. It's great. Not killing people,

but like destroying people.

>> He goes, "They came in these doses. 1x,

2x, or 3x. The problem is X didn't equal

any number."

>> Yeah.

>> So, it [laughter] was just some guy

mixing up his bathtub full of [ __ ]

whatever, like weed infused cookie dough

and deciding what's X to him. That's not

a mathematical equation.

>> Yeah. X had no number value.

>> So it's one times this. What's this?

Right.

>> Yeah. Well, I had the joke too about the

gummy bear. The guy literally said that

to me. I go, "How much should I tell?"

He goes, "Just a leg."

>> Yeah. I go, "Just the leg." [laughter]

I go, "Why the [ __ ] are you selling

whole bears if I should only eat a leg?"

Cuz it's only that big. Like, no one

seemed to eat just the leg.

>> It's a crazy dose. A half a cookie is

the right. That's not a cookie is a

dose.

>> So, back in these days, we were doing

Fear Factor and we were doing it, it was

uh we were doing it off of a aircraft

carrier in the Bay Area. And so, we

[snorts] had to take the you know that

one train, I forget what it is. Is it

the BART that goes under the water that

goes under the bay between Oakland and

San Francisco?

>> The BART? Yeah,

>> BART. Whatever it is.

>> No, I call it the BART just to [ __ ] with

them. Um, so I I took this edible and it

was an unregulated edible, so I have no

idea. And it was way too strong. And I

was [laughter] I was like, "Why do my

ears feel weird?" And they're like,

"Because you're under the ocean."

[laughter]

And I was like, "No."

It was like the longest 20 minutes of my

life waiting to pop out on the other

side where I was like, "We're under

this. How long has this [ __ ] subway

been under the o? Like how long has this

existed? like what are the odds this

thing is still good? Is anybody out

there diving, checking on the tube,

making sure there's no holes in it,

[laughter] you know, in this [ __ ]

>> you started doing all the research in

your head

>> and it was like I I felt like I was

talking to people but what I was seeing

was a twodimensional

like uh you know like those uh standins

like when you go to the movie and it's

like you know a person standing there

like thumbs up but it's like just a

two-dimensional cardboard cutout. That's

what everybody looked like to me. It was

like a two-dimensional cardboard cutout,

but occasionally I'd see their soul

peeking around their shoulder [laughter]

to look at me. It was so heavy. I don't

know what the number was. How many X's?

>> That kind of high. [laughter]

>> I don't get that kind of high or drunk

anymore.

>> Well, that kind of high is really fun

after it's over. After it's over when

you look back when it's happening, it's

terrifying.

>> Oh, that was the best.

>> I remember a guy did jiu-jitsu with he

made pills. He made THC pills because he

was like one of those all day guys. He

was just high constantly all the time.

>> And and so yeah, the dab guys, but this

is pre- dabs. And so this guy made

pills, THC pills. I I go, "How many

should you take?" And he and he goes,

"You should probably start off with one,

but I take two." So I took two cuz I'm

an [ __ ] And uh I wound up having

this conversation with this guy. Uh and

he was weirding me out. It was at a

jiu-jitsu tournament. I was like, "Why

is this guy so weird?" Well, turns out

the dude uh eventually got arrested for

rape. And not just arrested for rape,

but he was on the run.

>> And he was on the run and couldn't stop

doing jiu-jitsu. And the way they caught

him was he went to like Seattle or

somewhere like cuz this was in

California for classes

>> and he was just rolling but he was

killing everybody and every like who is

this [ __ ] guy? Like why is this guy

so good? And then eventually they

realized it was him and they go, "Oh my

god, this guy's wanted for rape." Wow.

>> He was a crazy person. And when I was

like super high in these pills, I could

see all the crazy in his eyes. Like it's

like he didn't say anything crazy.

>> Dude, you can when you're on drugs, you

can see through people.

>> Yes, you can. You can you can see their

soul.

>> It's it's it's interesting. You really

can see it. It's not one of those where

I'm like, "No, it was just the drug

[ __ ] with me." You can tell.

>> And so this is happy or sad.

>> A year or so later, he gets arrested and

winds up fleeing. I think he maybe was

out on bail or he was wanted and fleed

and went to the Pacific Northwest. But I

remember when I heard the story, I was

like, "Oh, that makes sense." Because he

had the weirdest energy. Just like this

dark energy, like creepy dark energy.

>> Sometimes if you're on like a

psychedelic and then someone's not

on with you, you know, but they're

around you, you're like, "Hey, you got

to go. You're freaking me out." Like

[laughter]

I don't know. Your energy is not of

this. It's I don't know if you're

looking at me, but like you got to take

off.

>> Yeah. You see like motivations.

You You see

>> You see everything so clearly.

>> I know. It's weird,

>> but it's not reliable. It's not like

like I'm about to go into a a meeting

with this defendant. I need to know if

he's actually innocent or guilty. So,

I'm going to take five grams of

mushrooms. [laughter] It's there to

soul.

Me and Big Jay were leaving a Blues Fest

in Ottawa once. We're leaving. It's like

a city festival, but then you wander

into the what used to be the safest city

in Canada. So, you're all [ __ ] up.

It's great. And as you're leaving, you

just see who's on what drug. Like, you

just can tell like mushrooms, acid,

weed, drunk,

>> molly.

>> Molly. Yeah. You just see it all. You

just see through everybody. They're just

sitting there talking.

>> Yeah. I don't [snorts]

I wonder what's going to happen now that

this uh thing happened at the White

House. First of all, I thought, you

know, I'm not on the news, so I'm

hearing stuff little by little about

everything.

>> Yeah.

>> I thought it was just I gained, which is

like great, those people need that.

>> And then and then I mean, Ed Clay has

been telling me about that for so long.

>> Well, Ed Clay, I talked about him on the

podcast cuz he was one of the ways that

I found out about it in Nashville.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. Right. And he would tell he's

like, "You should get on it. Helps

addiction." I'm like, "I'm loving what

I'm doing right now. I don't I don't

want to get off my high,

>> but like uh I'm like this makes sense.

And then a fine. Great. You got that.

And then I find out it's also I mean the

best hippie flip. You you got that MDMA

and boomers and shrooms

>> and psilocybin. Yeah. Well, it's because

MDMA and psilocybin MAPS was already

doing MDMA studies with uh veterans. So

for people that you know watch a bunch

of people get blown up and lost their

friends and come back MDMA was one of

the best therapies for helping them

overcome PTSD. So MAPS had already

pushed that through and John's Hopkins

had already done these studies with

psilocybin. So they already pushed these

things and they were already on the way

to getting approval through the FDA. But

the problem was nobody wants to stick

their neck out and sign off on it.

>> It's the problem with with politics. If

you're running, we talked about this.

through running for an office and the

opponent can say he wants drugs

legalized, then you're [ __ ] So, it's

like it really binds your hands,

>> right? Well, that's funny because that's

kind of what Dan Patrick did in Texas

about marijuana. But to his credit, Dan

Patrick met with Rick Perry and Brian

Hubard, the guys that passed this Texas

Ibigane initiative, and they convinced

him of what this stuff actually is. And

so, they've donated, so he's allocated

rather a hund00 million in Texas for the

Ibegan initiative.

which is amazing

>> when I was in

>> so he but that's a a sign of an

intelligent man like this Dan Patrick

guy had this stance on weed this like

weed's bad it's ruining everything and

then they come to him and he's like I'm

staunchly opposed this and they sit they

sit down with him he explains Brian

Hubard explains and he's very eloquent

explained what I does it's not

recreational at all and he hears it and

he hears how much it it'll help

particularly veterans that come back

they're addicted to opiates and they're

all [ __ ] up and even CTE even like

brain injuries ies from getting blown

up. It's neuro regenerative somehow.

It's a crazy plant. And so he he to his

credit he signed off

>> and they allocated $100 million for the

Texas Iban Initiative which is amazing.

>> Wow.

>> But it's like all these people have

these ideas in their head but it's all

because of Nixon. All of it goes back to

>> you grew up this is evil. This is you'll

get stuck that way kind of stuff where

it's like

>> I think some people do. This is what's

important about these studies. Yes, this

is what's important about these studies

like I think this is important about

weed too. You know, I'm very adamant

that it's not for everybody. I think

there's a lot of things

>> so strong.

>> Some of it's so strong and some people

are already on the way to schizo.

They're already on the way. There's

schizophrenia in their family. There's

like they just that's not a good thing

for them. Well, what's making a comeback

luckily is like Mexican weed is like the

12 12%

THC where it's like just get be I just

want I just want to get high, dude.

>> The old days.

>> I'm trying to bury myself in this movie

again.

>> I don't want to go to Pluto. [laughter]

>> Just is there anything? Is there

>> I want to be in the clouds right above

the city. That's it.

>> What's the shot in a [clears throat]

beer of weed? I love that.

>> That's it. Right. Yeah. Right. I don't

want to [ __ ] dab. I see these

dabbers. Oh, these I asked for mids in a

dispensary once and they were like,

"What are you what what are you what's

[laughter] what is that?"

>> They're all so hardcore.

>> I I remember the early days it was like

Zen Dispens One of the early ones and I

was like just getting into it. Atari

hooked me up. Remember that guy with

like weed and it was like it's like

okay. So now I'm into it. And I went to

Zen and I was like hey listen I I like

to smoke cigarettes while I write. I'm

off cigarettes now but it's a habit.

>> So I need something but if I smoke a

joint I'm done writing

>> right?

>> And that's what they like oh you want

Mexican weed? We can do that for you.

>> H just something cal this mild. This is

mild.

>> Yeah. It's like going to a powerlifting

gym and saying, "Do you guys have yoga

classes?" [laughter]

>> Feels so wrong. Get the [ __ ] out of

here. GET THE [ __ ] OUT OF HERE TO get

jerked. [laughter]

>> Yeah,

>> they did that in Ecuador. There was a

city I was in when I did Iawaska and it

was a guy from the tourism board and he

said what's going to there's three

cities that are like on the border to

the Amazon

>> and and you know you could go in from

any one of them and they go what's going

to separate our city from all these

other Amazonian cities and they go let's

be the Iaska city

>> and everyone else on the tourism board

said no we are not getting a bunch of

[ __ ] hippie backpackers in here to be

drug addicts in our town like that's not

what we're looking for at all here. This

thing sucks.

>> Yeah, it did. You just filled it up.

>> I know.

>> There's a lever on it, too. I don't

know.

>> Uh, and he goes, "Okay, fair." But he

goes, "Can I take you on an Iawaska trip

to each member?" And each member was

like, you know, they're half indigenous.

They're like, "Sure."

>> Right.

>> And then one by one, they all go, "Oh,

this isn't an addictive thing."

>> Right.

>> So, I had the wrong idea in my head of

what this was. You come once, you don't

come back for a year.

>> Yeah. Everybody had that thing from the

Nixon administration.

>> It's the Controlled Substances Act of

1970. And that thing that's it's really

nuts. But for 56 years, we've been

living underneath that.

>> It's just it becomes a given.

>> Uh-huh. Yeah.

>> You don't think to re-evaluate any

knowledge that's in there already.

>> I know. And it's like so many people

just a little micro dose of shrooms.

It'll change your [ __ ] life. It's it

would it would help so many people.

There's so many people that are stressed

out for no [ __ ] reason.

>> It really does give you such a reset.

>> 100%.

>> And Molly too, I know that's why I

talked to you. the MDMA, the MAPS people

were always like, "Please start calling

it MDMA. When you call it Molly, it

becomes a party drug." I'm like, "Well,

I do it at parties." So, [laughter]

that's what it is for me.

>> The problem with what they're saying by

saying that is like, "No, because it is

a party drug, too." It's also just like,

"What are we going to call whiskey?

We're going to call it, you know,

alcohol by volume. Are you going to have

a technical term for what whiskey is?"

[ __ ] off. It's whiskey.

>> You know what I mean? Like, that's why

people like it. Like you call it that if

you want.

>> Yeah, you do whatever you want. I'm

going to call it Molly. [ __ ] off.

>> [ __ ] off. [laughter]

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[ __ ] [laughter] [ __ ] off with all your

rules.

>> That's a good ringtone.

>> But it's because they've spent so much

money and so much time and so much

effort trying to get this stuff passed

through. It would be so huge if you

could just go get some mushrooms.

>> Oh, it'd be so huge. And why can't you

if you can go to Costco and just buy a

jug of whiskey and drink yourself to

death?

>> It also so like in SC in Edinburgh, they

have a season for it and you can go

through the meadows or any of these

fields and just like pick mushrooms,

right? You know, but if it's on your

shoe, it's fine. And if it comes off

your shoe, then it's illegal.

>> Oh, that's hilarious. it. But it's just

like growing there.

>> You know where Duncan used to live in

Asheville? They started giving the cows

like a certain type of feed that had

antifungal properties to it.

>> What?

>> So that they wouldn't grow. So who knows

what it did to the cow's gut and the

[clears throat]

you know ruin the cows just because so

many kids were picking mushrooms off of

the cow [ __ ] They we got to put a stop

to this. In Thailand, it's the elephant

[ __ ] And they and and the guys who ran

the elephant like abusive centers,

whatever, so you could ride them and

make them play harmonica

>> stuff that's natural in the wild. Oh no.

Oh no. Guys, elephants love painting you

a picture.

>> We we wrote them when we [laughter]

>> did I went back my second time and they

were everyone at the hostel was doing

that and then uh I was like, "No, I

already did it." And they go, "Humane or

non-humane?" I'm like, "Oh, definitely

the humane one." They're like, "Did you

ride them? That's inhumane." I'm like,

"Oh, yeah, inhumane." Well, the

elephants wanted you to ride them. They

don't mind like cuz you weigh nothing

and you feed them first and you make you

give them an offering, right? So, you

first of all, you wash them and you feed

them. So, you feed them like you give

them sugar cane and you you have to

develop a relationship with the elephant

before you ride it. Like these people

were all they were all freerange

elephants. They're all rescue elephants.

So, the elephants would come in out of

the jungle like they weren't in cages.

Oh, really?

>> Oh, yeah. It was wild. Like they would

get a saddle on them.

>> Uh-huh. Well, you don't. It's barely a

saddle. You just kind of climb onto them

and there's like a thing that you hold

on to and they're totally cool with it.

And then at the end you go to this like

pond and you wash them.

>> And so it's like they could kill you

anytime they want to, you know? So it's

like it's a relationship and it's not

they're not prisoners and they're not

abused at all. the people that are

running this the place that I went to.

But even then, I did a video with it and

I said, you know, I you could ride them.

I go, I rode them. I don't recommend it.

I don't think you should do it. I would

never do it again. I would never ride

them again cuz I it just feels [ __ ]

up. I would rather just feed them and

pet them and say, you're nice. I don't

need to go through the jungle with

>> Yeah. But also like you rode them.

>> I did.

>> So like if you if you hadn't rode them,

you'd be like, I've never ridden an

elephant.

>> I wouldn't have done it at all if my

family didn't want to do it. They wanted

to do it. So I said, "Okay, let's go."

And they enjoyed it. It was a good

experience. You know, the kids are

they're little and we're taking them

through Thailand. And yeah, it's it's

wild.

>> I wonder sometimes if these kids I was

talking to Tommy about it, like if

they'll know later in life,

>> how cool their experience was. Like

it'll be till like the 35 or 40 like,

"Oh yeah, I had a great child. I didn't

understand the coolest things I did."

>> Yeah. I think my kids are pretty aware

of it. Um, but

>> anyway, they had these these hippies

would go over the encampment and pick

out mushrooms from elephant patties.

>> Oh,

>> and then eventually the people the

herders were like, "Why do these [ __ ]

dreadlock people keep coming in at night

and like sniffing around our shit?" And

then they realized what it was and they

go, "Oh, no, no, no. We'll sell this."

>> Oh, so they sell it. Is it illegal in

Thailand? Like where's the legality of

mushrooms

>> now? I don't know because I think they

just legalized weed in Thailand.

>> Did they really?

>> Yeah. But it back back then when it was

illegal, there were bars that sold your

joints and those are the bars that paid

the cops. And so for all intents and

purposes, you're fine.

>> Bro, I would not [ __ ] around with drugs

in another country.

>> Lame.

>> Yeah, me. That's me. Super lame.

[laughter]

>> I mean, talk to Britney Grinder. How'd

that work out? [sighs]

>> Not good. Do you think when she was in

jail, the the guards would [ __ ] with her

and show videos of her missing? Like,

how come you miss? How come you miss

this [ __ ] [laughter]

>> Breakdowns.

>> You eat too much [ __ ] You smoke too

much weed. You missed this [ __ ]

[laughter]

>> She was in jail for a long [ __ ] time.

>> She was in jail for a while.

>> I think she was in jail for like, wasn't

it like 6 months or something like that?

>> I knew someone who worked at the um the

agency she was at the sports management

agency.

>> Mhm.

>> Every day they started with 15 minutes

of like, "Hey, before we get into anyone

else's business, how are we getting her

out?"

>> 10 months.

Almost a [ __ ] year in jail in Russia.

That's crazy. For

>> nine years in a penal colony.

>> That was a fun one because they just

told America like, "Hey guys, keep

quiet. We can get her out. She's a

nothing asset. Just everyone be quiet."

And the the liberal angry, you know,

housewives like, "No, I want to say

something." And they all just kept

talking and eventually was like Russia's

like, "Oh, is this an important one?"

>> Oh, really?

>> Oh, we'll keep her in.

>> Is that what happened?

>> Yeah, I think so. I think it was Biden

was like, "Just shut up. We'll get her

out to shut up." and they made it into a

bigger thing

>> so that they could get the merchant of

death released.

>> We are the worst at hand. Americans are

so bad at at handling things they don't

know how to handle. They just rush in

full boore going I know how to fix it

with no knowledge of it.

>> Well, it's also once a story gets out in

any form, influencers cannot help talk

about it. It's their currency. There's

no way they're not going to talk about

it.

>> Same as all the late night guys. They

knew after Trump won that like talking

about him helps him. Before we said

we're trying to take him down, but now

we've seen the research. We know it's

helping them.

>> I'm still gonna do it because it's my

money.

>> Yeah.

>> They can't help it. They can't help it.

Yeah.

>> I mean, that's like CNN's most of their

ratings were talking [ __ ] about Trump.

Like every time he did something

outrageous, they would they would talk

[ __ ] about him and they would have him

on and it just made him more and more

popular because I don't think they

understood how much America's dis

Americans despised them. You know, they

thought we're CNN. We are the news.

We're CNN. And then because the fact

that Trump was opposed to them and they

were they just kept showing him, they

were like, "Oh, he must be good cuz you

guys suck."

>> Right? You ever hear the theory that

terrorism and the US are symbiotic?

>> What's the theory? How does it work?

>> Terrorism can't exist without the US

dominating their countries.

>> Oh, yeah. That makes sense.

>> And the US, they can't keep funneling

money to weapons without terrorists.

>> Well, US and Israel. I mean, that's the

thing. Sure. Hamas and and Netanyahu. He

famously said they were funding Hamas.

We we we we when we fund Hamas, we can

control the height of the flame

>> for 911. Like it popped off a little

high, but it was like it's we need

something to be like, hey, we're all

against that.

>> And then that those countries were like,

look, they're all against us. So, they

just like they need each other to keep

growing.

>> Well, it makes sense. And also, you need

an enemy in order to get higher military

contracts, higher budgets.

>> I mean, if you don't have terrorism, how

can you justify a trillion dollar

military?

>> So, you need to like say, "Hey, they're

a real threat." Like, that's a 30 person

group.

>> Yeah.

>> They're not coming for us, but like we

got to take them down. Look at the

training they're doing.

>> You ever seen Shane's bit [laughter] on

monkey bars? They're on monkey bars

doing their training.

>> I love that bit. I love that bit about

how bad they are at jumping jacks.

[laughter]

It's what fat people do to get in shape

of the biggest loser.

>> Yeah. And they're stuck over there. Like

shut up. Yeah.

>> They're not going over there. It's And

then I always wondered why we left

behind all the [ __ ] Like cynically I'm

like, do we leave that stuff behind so

that they could use it?

>> The older I get, the less I think

there's accidents. There's ineptitude

for sure, but there's also like we've

done the research. We know.

>> Yeah. At some point, you know, there's

bad moves you make here or there, but I

>> mean, we left behind tanks and Blackhawk

helicopters. Like, what? We couldn't get

those out? We had to leave right now. We

were there for 20 years. Also, we got to

get out right away.

>> You don't want to put a grenade in each

one first before you go. Like, what what

do you mean? And also, those are still

good.

>> Yeah, we didn't get out like Vietnam.

>> Park them in a field and drop a [ __ ]

bomb on it. Yeah, you don't have to

leave it there for the enemy. It's it's

>> for the Taliban so they could keep the

people under their thumb for

>> if you retreated last second. I could

see it, but it wasn't that. And then

you're like,

>> "Yeah, they didn't have to leave when

they the way they left was insane." When

you see those those ships that are the

the planes that are flying away and

people are hanging on to the wheels of

the plane and falling off because they

don't want to be left behind.

>> So many people that work with the

Americans.

>> You said you'd protect us over and over

again and then you're like, "Yeah, we've

done this over and over again. We'll

just say it."

>> Exactly. It says that we it was

equipment we gave to the Afghan state.

So it wasn't you know it wasn't US

equipment any longer

>> and and is already given over to them.

>> We gave it to the Afghan state but not

the Taliban the National Defense and

Security Forces, right? And then it

there was not that many of them

>> and so the moment that we left the

Taliban just took everything.

>> There's also like what is the Taliban?

We have this word on it. It's like an

evil word, but are they just like the

government in a lot of these places?

Like the cartels in in Colombia, they

like build schools, they do bad [ __ ]

but they also are the government. They

make sure the businesses run okay.

>> And so you have this idea cartel. It

sounds like that, but it's like it's

more than that. I wonder how much of the

Taliban is all actually into terrorism

and how much is like just running

day-to-day stuff.

>> Well, that's a good point because in

America, I mean, what are the

pharmaceutical drug companies? I mean,

how many people have we we talked about

this the other day. It's like 70,000

people died of opioid overdoses in

America in 2024.

>> 70,000,000.

>> 70,000. So like and a lot of that is

probably cartel fentinel, but a lot of

it is like flatout old school oxycodone.

>> So it's like what are they? What are

they and how much are they campaigns

every year,

>> right? But they d you s the most

effective thing of that sackler with

Ferris Beller that that documentary

series or whatever.

>> Yeah. Painkiller

>> is they started every episode with a

real person talking about how their son

is dead.

>> Yeah.

>> Or you know something like that and and

then they and you're like oh my god this

makes it so real. Yeah.

>> Painkiller. That's what it's called. It

was so good.

>> That's Peter Bergs. Yeah. We talked

about that the other day. It's a amazing

series. Amazing series. like that that

>> Yeah,

>> Matthew Broadick played such a good

[ __ ] creep. He did such a good job.

>> God, that [ __ ] that show's so

disturbing because it's based on true

story

>> and he show a guy falling into the

despair from being fine

>> Yeah.

>> to just like

>> Oh, we all know somebody who got hooked.

>> Mhm.

>> I I mean, it's so potent.

>> It's so powerful. And they told doctors,

they told people, they told everybody

that wasn't even addictive. They knew it

was addictive. They knew it it operated

on the same path. I mean that's in the

painkiller series. Yeah.

>> That it operates on the same pathway as

heroin. Like you're saying that this is

not addictive. This is a lie.

>> Yeah. What they did there was go if that

movie is completely accurate it's like

okay so this is for heavily cancerous

like bedridden people that have a pain

threshold of 8 to 10. Like it'll be good

for them. Why don't we just extend the

pain threshold to 3 to 10?

>> Yeah.

>> And that allows a lot more people in. If

you're at a nine it doesn't matter if I

get addicted. My life is awful. right

now if you're to three like walk it off.

>> Exactly.

>> I talked about when I got my nose fixed

and the doctor tried to give me two

different opiates

>> and I was like

it was nothing. I mean it didn't even

hurt. It was just mildly uncomfortable.

And that was also because it was stuffed

up with gauze like those wasn't even

gauze like these foam things with a tube

that they stuff in your nose to keep

your nostrils open while it's healing.

But, you know, he gave me two different

opiates and I was like, "Is it going to

get worse than this?" Because I don't

It's fine. It just

>> Yeah. They don't tell you, "But be

careful. I would not take it unless you

absolutely need it."

>> No, they don't tell you any of that.

They want you to do it. They're

financially incentivized.

>> I got a wisdom tooth out and uh the

dentist

was like, "Um, I was like, "Hey, I don't

want to like

>> Why'd you get a wisdom tooth out? Did it

hurt?"

>> I don't remember. It was so long ago.

>> It was like 15 18 years ago.

>> What's the What's the logic on that? Are

you supposed to get wisdom teeth taken

out?

>> I've had both out

>> because I've had people say I've heard

people say you shouldn't. Like there's

no reason to take them out.

>> Why do you that they get impacted or

something?

>> I don't know.

>> Often they grow in they're growing in

wrong and they cause problems with other

teeth.

>> It had to be that. But he gave me this

thing of Vicodin. I was like, I don't

want to. And he goes, you're friends

with comedians, right? And I was like,

yeah. He goes, your your friends will

want it. Whatever you don't need.

Whatever you don't need, I'm sure you

can find. He was joking around, but he

was right. I have tons of addict

friends. They they are all like nice.

[laughter]

>> Yeah.

>> Advising me to take aspirin, not use up

one of those precious vit.

>> I took that stuff once when I had my

first ACL reconstruction

and it was it made me so stupid.

>> Vicodin.

>> I think it was Vicodin. It was either

Vicodin or Percoet. I can't remember,

but I think it was Vicodin. But I wound

up selling it at the pool hall.

>> Yeah. Sell it. Get some money.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. Do the right thing. The only time

I would advise taking Vikin is if you

have like two beers and really want a

good night.

>> Really?

>> Oh, yeah. Those go so well with with

liquor.

>> Is Vicodin an opiate? Is it the same

thing as oxycodone? Like what is

Vicodin?

>> It's a downer.

>> I don't know what oxider. [laughter]

>> It's a It Yeah. Combines hydrocodone

[laughter]

and Tylenol.

>> Oh, Tylenol. Tylenol and hydrocodone.

[laughter]

>> Nice one, Joe.

>> A lot of people die from that [ __ ] too.

>> Tylenol. Yeah, I was reading this sad

story once about this lady who she had

COVID and she was in so much pain from

COVID that she kept taking Tylenol and

she died of a [ __ ] liver failure.

>> Cuz the Tylenophen killed her liver.

>> Sometimes you see people dying and

you're like, "What a loser way to die."

>> You can't ever tell anybody. There was

no victimhood. Aspirin overdose,

>> dork.

>> That's crazy. How much aspirin do you

have to take before you die? That seems

nuts. I feel like all these middle

school girls would try it before they

had access to stuff

>> really when they just want to be drama

queens. Like I took a whole bottle of

aspirin.

>> Oh yeah. Oh, I knew a girl who did

exactly that thing. Exactly that in high

school. Yeah, she took aspirin.

>> But it's like that's not going to do it.

>> But your call for attention is there.

>> She was also crazy annoying.

>> Like let me tell you how to actually do

it.

>> Big tits and she [ __ ] everybody. She

was nuts.

>> And I'll accept it.

>> This girl was a [ __ ] freak. She

[ __ ] everybody. She was an animal.

[laughter]

Catholic school girl.

>> I just stumbled [snorts] across

[clears throat] something weird.

>> What?

>> Uh I just typed in Tylenol deaths and

this thing came up. The Chicago Tylenol

murders.

>> It seems like it's an unsolved drug.

Yeah, there was tampered Tylenol that

people bought that was potassium

cyanide. Seven people died.

>> Yeah, they broke That's when they start

that's when they started doing the seal

on top.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. Right.

>> I remember this. I remember this. This

is when I was in high school. Do they

know why

that

investigation suspects?

>> I wonder what the conspiracy what's the

tinfoil said someone recently was

arrested. Oh, no suspect has been

charged AS OF 2026.

>> WHOA. SO, a bunch of people died and

they just got away with it.

>> Yeah.

>> Wow.

>> Someone was convicted of extortion

sending a letter to Tylenol manufacturer

claiming responsibility and demanding a

million dollars. If I remember right,

they said they said we found out the the

problem with one plant that had whatever

and we've we've got and someone else

like well okay I bought this

>> bottle before that happened so this

should be safe and then it wasn't and

then there was like Tylenol or whatever

was like covering up how bad it got

>> instead of going recall everything.

>> Estimated 31 million bottles were in

circulation with a retail value of over

hund00 million equivalent to 334 million

in 2025. The company also advertised in

the national media for individuals not

to consume any of its products that

contained acetameophen after it was

determined that only these capsules had

been tampered with.

>> Wow.

>> Other ones in California that strick

nine in them.

>> Wow. So that's probably one of those

things too. There's copycats, right?

Like one person hears about someone

buying poison Tylenol. Yeah. I want to

poison people in Ohio. I want to poison

Yeah.

>> Get your own [ __ ] [ __ ] hacks.

>> Just be original. Be awful evil, but be

original.

>> There's so many of those like the

Tylenol. We're like, "Wait, were you

guys evily covering this up and

resulting in more deaths?" That that I

found out down there was like CocaCola,

Dole. We're like, "Oh, these are like

evil corporations."

>> As soon as they realized that there, you

know, the Pinto story.

>> Uhuh. [snorts]

>> The the

>> So Ford found out Let's Let's

>> Oh, yeah. research this to make sure

this is true because someone brought it

up on the podcast. They're blowing up

and they realize it's cheaper to just

pay people off that died from their car

being blown up than it is to recall all

these Ford Pintos

>> cuz the Pinto had like the gas station

the gas tank rather was in the back and

there was something about the design

where if you got rear ended it would

blow up

>> and it was just they did a dollar value

on it.

>> Yeah, somebody did. I want to say for I

want to, you know, you say Ford, but

really it's a person. It's It's not the

Ford of today. It's some guy.

>> Would that be a thing? Pre-production

crash test.

>> Yeah. Investigators and lawsuits showed

that pre-production crash tests had

already revealed this vulnerability, but

the car still went to market largely

unchanged.

>> Yeah. Who told us about this?

>> Yeah, I'll check.

>> I kind of remember that.

>> So, one of our guests explained that to

us and it was just like, oh god,

>> whoa,

>> it's so dark. It's such a [ __ ] dark

evil thing to do to say, "Well, people

are gonna die, but we'll just pay them

off."

>> What's the number?

>> Yeah. What is the number? First of all,

the car sucked. Why'd you make it in the

first place? It's a terrible

>> ugly, too. It kind of looks cool now,

but

>> No, it doesn't.

>> It's got that sun sund deck in the back.

>> Garbage car.

>> So, Coca-Cola would have people just

like if you were like a leftist leader

running for whatever. They were worried

that if that person got in power, they

would unionize their population and that

would cost them more money in the

plants.

>> Mhm.

>> And they would just have people straight

killed straight up. Get them out of the

way.

>> Cola had people whacked.

>> Dole used to be the American fruit

company.

>> Coke and a smile. They had people

whacked.

>> Jame, I mean, look it up. But like Coke,

it's probably an executive somewhere.

Probably an executive. drew a big

>> house of card style who had some guy who

was a fixer for him

>> and he's like look these [ __ ]

are causing problems

>> and this guy was concerned with his job

as whatever CEO executive

>> but it's happened over a long period of

time they were given money to I think

FARC or something in Colombia after they

were already labeled like a terrorist

organization they're still giving them

money

>> for decades Coca-Cola's faced several

severe allegations regarding the murder

and intimidation of union leaders at

bottling plants in Colombia and

Guatemala.

>> They hired paramilitary death squads to

suppress labor activism. That's like,

oh, what? They they want an honest like

days pay.

>> Get rid of him.

>> You know, do you remember when Ross

Perau was running for president? You

were too young.

>> I barely remember, but sort of. I was

just starting to be aware of how [ __ ]

up politics were and because he was on

television explaining about the World

Trade Organization about when they were

going to um start opening up plants in

Mexico and moving jobs to Mexico. He's

like, "What you're going to hear is a

giant sucking sound where all the money

and jobs are going to go down to

Mexico." And what we allowed during that

time was essentially what the labor

unions were doing in this country was

making sure that people had a a great

wage because the corporations were

getting paid well. So the CEOs wanted

all the money like they always do. The

corporation wanted all the money. But

you really can't make a Mustang unless

you have the people that are on the

assembly line. Unless you have the

people that are doing all the hard labor

and all the work and they should get

compensated correctly. And so the auto

auto union's workers organized it

>> and they went on strike and they did the

they did what they had to do and they

were making a great living. They're

making a great living and these people

had a nice house and they had a car and

a garage and it felt good that they were

getting paid really well. And so a lot

of people thought, well, they're getting

paid too well and this is [ __ ] up our

profits. And so what and I'm simplifying

this if you're 10 people instead of let

the top guys make a million.

>> What they did is just open up a plant in

Mexico and pay people [ __ ] slave

labor and they go over there and they

pay them slave wages and these people

are making cars for like [ __ ] how

much? A dollar a day or something like

that instead of getting health care and

retirement and you know and so

>> that's what we're talking about. The

free market says go to Mexico. The moral

market says, "No, no, no, no, no. Hold

on. Let's just pay people what they

deserve here."

>> But it's not just that, but they

destroyed Detroit.

>> That's right.

>> That's Roger and me. That documentary,

Michael Moore's greatest documentary is

all his first one is his best one.

>> Yeah.

>> Because it it's really documenting an a

horrific

attack on Detroit and and Flint,

Michigan, and all those places up there

where there's all these auto plants and

they all just went away, man. And those

jobs went away and now Detroit is

Detroit's kind of bouncing back.

>> It's kind of back. Danny was talking

about at Brown where he was like just

before CO it was like starting to be

like some cool new restaurants and like

really coming back. Then CO kind of

nailed it down again and now it's I

think back back going back up again.

>> They have some cool stuff in there. I

mean there's there's a bunch of

companies that are like proudly like

made in Detroit.

>> Underrated pizza. Yeah.

>> Detroit pizza.

>> Oh, really?

>> Square. Yeah. It's really good.

>> Square. Interesting.

>> Yeah. Crispy like on every bite, every

slice.

>> Oh, okay. Yeah,

>> cuz it's not thick crust square. It's

like that thin crust square. It's just

really good.

>> Isn't it funny that we want it in a

circle? I want it in a circle.

>> Why?

>> I don't know.

>> Odd.

>> It's weird.

>> You get committed to it. It's like we

don't get committed to that with a

sandwich.

>> Like if I go to a Jewish deli and I get

a square sandwich, I don't say, "No, I

want to look a hogy. I want it to look

like a submarine."

>> Doesn't look right.

>> Right. You know, like no one cares.

>> No one cares the shape.

>> No, it's a really good sandwich. But

some people do. Like if you give them a

cheeseburger but it's on bread, they're

like, "What is this [ __ ] Square

[ __ ] I want a round bun,

motherfucker."

>> Yeah. On rye bread. Like

>> what is this? Rye bread is for pastrami.

>> Give me rye bread with a [ __ ]

cheeseburger. You communist.

>> Is my name Reuben? Then why are you

giving me something like looks like a

[ __ ] Reuben?

>> Yeah. What is this? Like if you buy an

Italian sandwich, it has to come on a

big old [ __ ] hogy roll. A chabata.

>> You know, one of those big [ __ ]

seated Yeah. Yeah, that's what you want.

>> All bread.

>> It's weird that we want our pizza to

only be circle.

>> And then what's weird too is you're not

eating it in the round version,

>> right?

>> You're eating it in this weird triangle,

>> right? You're eating it.

>> An edge of round. That edge could be,

>> you know what I've seen that deeply

disturbs me. Oh, no.

>> When people take a circular pizza and

then they chop it up into a bunch of

squares, I'm like, what have you done?

>> Oh, no. That's the Ohio style.

>> Is that what it is?

>> Really? Or pub [clears throat] style.

>> Oh, okay. So you split it up.

>> Yeah,

>> that makes kind of sense, but not for

>> you bring one pizza into the bar and now

[ __ ] 10 people can get a bite as

opposed to

>> I guess the only other way is slices

like that thin, like real thin like

long. But that's not fun.

>> We also have edgetoedge edge toppings.

>> How many pizzas has Dave Portoi sold? If

you really stop and think about it, Dave

Portoi is probably responsible for more

pizza sales in this country than any

other living human being.

>> Yeah, probably. Yeah, cuz I watch his

pizza reviews. I want to go get a pizza.

>> He gives it to you honest.

>> Yeah. Oh, he's very good at it. Yeah. I

mean, he really loves pizza, too. Like,

you could tell like this is a He's not

making any money off of that.

>> No, he's really not. Just like some

people.

>> It's a labor of love. He likes it. It's

fun for him and it's become a thing. And

he gets in arguments with pizza places

sometimes. Like they yell at him, he

yells at them.

>> You can't film it here. It's like [ __ ]

throw [ __ ] at him. It's like really kind

of crazy.

>> That's so great. But I've I've

[clears throat] gone to places because

he recommended them. Like if I'm I find

out that I'm in a town and I know that

there's pizza there, I'm like, "What

does Port Noi think?"

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You want a local

wreck?

>> No one's done that with anything else.

Like what other celebrity has done that

with any other kind of food where they

go places and review it?

>> There's a guy in New York, not a

celebrity, but he was his goal was to

search out every single slice in New

York. It took him years and then name

the best ones.

>> Boy, how would you know? How are you

going to compare a slice to a slice you

had a year ago?

>> It's right. I guess you got to write.

Yeah, you really got to know.

>> How are you going to know?

>> You can instantly go no.

>> But yeah, anything that's good, you got

to go back and forth.

>> Plus, it's super subjective,

>> obviously.

>> Yeah,

>> you got to go cheese. You got to compare

cheese to cheese,

>> right? It has to be just plain cheese

pizza,

>> which is a classic.

>> It's so good. I mean, other pizzas are

great, but man, a really good plain

cheese pizza is [ __ ] phenomenal.

>> Yeah,

>> especially if it's done well.

>> Fresh out. Here's the secret, too. If

you're New York, underrated tip. I told

Ruddy this. He's going to New York.

>> Fat guy.

>> So, he's going to want to like get some

tips. I was like, no matter what you

were going to get, just say, do you have

anything fresh coming out?

>> And if they say, it's going to be like

10 more minutes. It's okay. I'll wait.

>> It's like when you go to Crispy Cream

and they got the serve the hot donuts.

They're coming out hot.

>> The lights on.

>> With that lights on, if I'm thinking

about having it, when I used to live in

LA,

>> there was a crispy cream down the

street. Like, it was on the way home.

>> And if I drive by, if that [ __ ] hot

the hot light was on, I'm like, I'm

pulling in.

>> I'm getting a hot one.

>> So much better than warmed up.

>> It's so much better. Like when they come

right out and the glazed ones that are

coming right out hot, they they just

dissolve in your mouth right there. Oh,

and good for you.

>> Oh, yeah. It's better than better than

vitamins. [laughter]

>> Look at that.

>> It It uh cures diabetes.

>> You have all dough and you're like,

"Let's put some with sugar in it." Like,

"Let's put some sugar on top.

>> Let's fully overwhelm [snorts] your

system." I remember I would eat them and

then I'd go back to my house and I'd go,

"What was What's wrong with you?

[laughter]

>> Why would you do this? The [ __ ] is wrong

with you?"

>> We've all been there.

>> You [ __ ] idiot.

>> The [ __ ] wrong with you?

>> Feel so bad. Because I would eat like a

half a dozen, too. I'd eat like six

donuts. I'd get uh I' I always buy like

a box and I'd eat half the box. I'd buy

like a box of a dozen and I'd buy like

chocolate cream filled and all the

different ones and I'd eat like six of

them in my car on my way home and then

I'd get home and I'm like, "Oh,

[laughter]

>> just poison."

>> An adult has learned nothing about his

body.

>> 39 years old sitting on the couch. Oh,

[groaning]

>> when you have that after 23 years old,

you're like, "What?" When you're

hurting, you're like, "I just have to

let this pass. I have to just like for

an hour."

>> You're like, "What a [ __ ] loser."

>> What a [ __ ] loser. Yeah.

>> You ate yourself into feeling bad.

>> I do that all the time.

>> Drinking. I get sneaks up on you.

>> I eat when if I go to New York, every

time I go to New York, I eat myself into

a coma. I eat myself way too just way

too fat. I get hurting like where my

stomach stretched out so much. It hurts

cuz I've got so much food in there. I

really can't fit any more food and I

look pregnant. My stomach sticks out.

>> You got burnt belly.

>> You look so awful. And it's all swollen

and bloated cuz it's all the pasta and

bread. It's all the water and the wine.

It's making it expand.

>> Think straight. Your body's like bring

everything into the stomach right now.

>> Yeah. You have no Like if I had to pass

a spelling bee, I I'm [ __ ] My IQ dips

by like 40 points.

Yeah. It's It's terrible. I'm a glutton,

too. I'm a I have a real problem with

like volume. I just when I start eating,

I'm like a dog. I just keep eating. I

just can't stop. Like, I'm good at not

eating. Like, I can not eat for like 12,

16 hours, but when I sit down for a

meal, I just or when I'm ordering, I

think it comes from being poor when I

was a kid, too.

>> So, it's like there's something about

like wanting everything. I want it all.

I want steak. I want pasta. I want this.

I want that. with that and

then after you're like you never learn

you [ __ ] idiot.

>> Yeah. And you you're like you're like

I've had about enough and then you're

like one more bite and then you're like

and now if we're talking like I'm going

to eat like two more full plates worth

as we're talking.

>> I remember we were in Atlanta once. This

has happened more than once, but this

one lady in Atlanta was like almost

arguing with me. We went Yeah. We went

to a diner in Atlanta after our show and

this I ordered two things. I ordered

like meatloaf and I order a steak. And

she's like, "Oh, honey, that's too much

food." I go, "No, it's not." I go, "I'm

gonna eat it all." And she's like, "That

is too much food." I go, "You don't

know. You don't know me.

>> You don't know you.

>> You don't know me. I can consume. I will

consume all of this. This is not a I

need this."

>> Yeah. When it's time for you to eat, you

eat.

>> Especially also after shows, dude. Oh

god. You do [ __ ] longass shows.

>> I brought you and Goldie once a hot dog.

I was just like there was I was doing

the early days of US not early but like

mid-level days and then high level days.

So I remember having more access than

anyone could really get anymore.

>> Oh yeah. You were behind me in the

[laughter]

time when the camera was on you and

Duncan. So you guys made out. [laughter]

>> We were bored.

>> They timed it. So

>> we noticed we noticed the camera was

sitting right behind you. So the way

they could see the monitor so they were

sitting behind me so they knew what the

camera was capturing.

>> So we're on that camera, that guy's

camera.

>> They waited and then [laughter]

this guy right here and in the middle

soon as the camera's on, YOU GUYS

[laughter]

DIED.

>> Oh my god. This is the early early days.

This is probably like 2002 or something

like that. That was way back [laughter]

in the day. We're like first so first

we're giving out so Duck was being

accused of being an Illuminati a lot

then [laughter]

>> so he goes oh there's a camera I mean I

got to do this thing he goes what he

goes it's just to stoke the flames so

he'll just do this he'll do triangles at

some point we made a big triangle with

both our hands [laughter]

>> and then I think he said it I don't know

it doesn't matter one of us said it the

other reacted hey next time we got to

kiss and it was like [ __ ] yes

>> I'm pretty sure it was

>> god damn it yeah you're [laughter] right

we do it was like this is going to be

awful but you have too.

>> I didn't know about it till after it was

over. People were like, "Your friends

were kissing on camera." [laughter] And

I just I I literally couldn't breathe. I

was like, "Oh my god. Oh my god." I go,

"Show it to me. Show it to me." I like

made the guys in the truck show me the

video of it. I'm like, "Oh my god, this

is so funny."

>> There was also like a wrestling moment

or it was there was a lot of wrestling

in that fight if I remember right. It's

a long time ago, but there was a blog

saying from like a an MMA blog. It's

like two bored bearded dudes make out

during [laughter] a during a UFC fight.

[laughter]

>> Dude, you give a comic a camera on you

and we're like, "Let's go. We got to do

something."

>> Especially like you have six hours. 6

hours of fights. So, there's all this

time to think. And they're not all

exciting. Some of them are [ __ ]

boring. And when they're boring, you got

to come up with different ways to

entertain yourself.

>> Yeah.

>> What you going to do?

>> Yeah.

It was so fun. You could see the one

that was on it. So like when those

fighters are in front of us,

>> this got I want to fix this.

>> Like it wants to work.

>> It wants to work.

I wonder if this one works.

Those are fun times. That was back when

the UFC was like no one was watching

anyway.

>> You could just do whatever you want. The

weigh-ins was the best. We had a weigh

in in Florida and it was just like only

the camps kind of came in. Mhm.

>> And the tap out guys, rest in peace,

they would they'd come in there. Well,

just one rest in peace. They live well.

>> Um,

>> but it was just like you'd be in there

and I remember once you were like, "Hey,

Ari, maybe I'll call you up to weigh

it." [laughter]

>> And you could you just could be like,

"You want to go now?" All right. It was

like there was no real rules then. It

was pretty pretty wild.

>> No one knew what was going on. Ari

Shafir and you would just walk out.

[laughter]

>> Yeah. You could do anything back then.

And that was also a real weigh-in. That

was when the guys actually would get on

the scale. Now it's a ceremonial

weighin.

>> Oh, really?

>> Yeah. Because now the they weigh in in

advance because they want to give them

more time to recover.

>> Oh, right.

>> The whole thing's gross. They shouldn't

be weighing in any They shouldn't be

cutting weight.

>> As a casual fan, it's the most obvious

one. Make them weigh in at the event.

>> It's crazy. I mean, we've had long

discussions. I had a discussion recently

with Hunter Campbell where we're trying

to figure out a way to blow up all the

weight classes and make people fight

what their actual weight is. But you

would have to like show up in camp like

you know

>> get to the right exact right weight a

pound or two below to for safety.

>> But it would have to be random like they

couldn't know you were coming.

>> Oh, like the whole way through it has to

be at that weight.

>> Just show up. What do you weigh? Get on

the scale. 185, bro. You're supposed to

be fighting at 155. How the [ __ ] are you

185? It's dumb because you're not

actually you're you're it's like having

field goals decide like an NFL game.

It's like this is not this is like a

minor part of the sport, right?

>> So that's like you're firing a 185 found

fight against a 160 pound. So you're not

actually saying who's best at your class

>> and in elite levels. They're all doing

it. So it's everybody's cheating. It's

sanctioned cheating. It's not cheating

cuz it's legal,

>> but it's rewarding guys who know how to

cut better than guys who don't. And as a

casual fan, that's not what we're into.

It's also very biological.

So, some people can cut weight very

easily and some people it's a [ __ ]

grind. And it's way more of a grind for

women. Women hold on to that water

weight a lot harder than men do.

>> So, when a woman has to lose like a

woman has to cut like 20 pounds, it's

Yeah, man. They cut weight,

>> but apparently it's way more brutal for

them.

>> Interesting.

>> Yeah, it's [ __ ] terrible. They should

They should It should have never been in

there in the first place. And they

should figure out a way to get

>> What do they do in high school wrestling

when people fight at like 112? That's

just your weight or do you cut

>> the weigh in the day? Right. The weigh

in the day. But it's still you're still

cutting weight. I I weighed I used to

wrestle at 128 and then I wrestle for a

grown man. I mean a high school. Oh,

okay.

>> And then uh 134 and then I because I

couldn't really make 128 anymore. And

then when I started fighting in

Taekwondo, I fought my first fights were

at 140. That was when I was like 15 16.

And then by I my last fight at 140 I was

17 and I was not 140 and I was starving

myself and I was cutting a bunch of

water weight and then I would fight

dehydrated

>> fighters

>> but I only did it one year. I only did

it one year and then I went up to 155

which was much better. That was easy

because I didn't have to cut any weight

and I was way better then.

>> But that thing where they do in

wrestling you're not getting hit in the

head in wrestling, right? So it will

deplete you. And so you have to make a

decision like how much am I going to be

depleted and want to be the the size

bully and have a bigger frame and

utilize it but have depleted

performance. Like how much how good a

shape would I have to be in where that

depletion only takes out a certain

percentage of my ability? And so it's

like this calculated thing like Kurt

Angle for instance. Kurt Angle when he

was Olympic gold medalist, he didn't cut

any weight and he was a phenomenal

wrestler. Kurt Angle was a [ __ ]

monster and he was beating guys way

bigger than him, but he had so much

energy because he didn't cut weight and

so he was wrestling against guys that

did cut weight and he was dominating

him. Yeah. Because he was full strength,

>> but they were bigger than him.

>> They were bigger than him, but he had

incredible skill, also strong as [ __ ]

anyway, and had no depletion of his

resources. like his body was working at

full capacity.

>> It's like Greg Fitz Simmon is in the

prime. He would just fight anybody.

[laughter]

>> He would just fight anybody. Oh, tiny

little man. Fight anybody.

>> He got attacked on stage at Stitches and

uh the guy attacked him and they they

[ __ ] some brawl broke out and they

the the bouncers got in. They take the

guy away and then Greg gets on the

microphone. Didn't even end the show.

Gets on the microphone. He goes,

"Anybody else want some of this?" And

[laughter]

started laughing. It was great. He

finished his set.

>> Wow.

>> He finished. He's great composure. Kept

it together. Finished his set. [ __ ]

fun, dude.

>> Wow.

[laughter]

>> Yeah.

>> But they should they they really should

ban weight cutting. But the only way

they're really ever going to be able to

do that is to make more weight classes.

There's not enough weight classes.

>> And then you'll have the what? I don't

understand.

>> I think boxing has

>> boxing have 18 weight classes.

>> Don't [clears throat] you have like some

like who cares weight classes?

>> Yeah. So they're sort of

>> and if you really want to get known, you

got to move up or down to like one of

the majors.

>> Well, you know what's weird? Like 160 is

a huge weight class. 147 hu welterweight

huge weight class. Big giant fights.

Cruiser weight, which is like

between light heavyweight and

heavyweight. No one gives a [ __ ] about.

>> Wow. Why?

>> It's weird. It's just weird. Like nobody

gives a [ __ ] about the cruiserweight

champion. Like Usyk before he became the

heavyweight champion was the

cruiserweight champion and people cared

about him just because he was so

skillful. But he had to go up to

heavyweight before people cared. But if

he was a light heavyweight, he would

have been huge.

>> Shame on.

>> It's weird. Interesting.

>> Very weird. But I think boxing, how many

weight classes does boxing have

professional boxing? I want to say

there's 18, whereas in the UFC there's

only eight. It's a big difference.

>> It's a big difference. You can And you

can follow champions better.

>> Yeah. But it's also it's like

>> even when Mighty Mouse came in, it was

like you have this dominant guy coming

in.

>> Uhhuh.

>> To to really launch the weight class,

but people are like, "We don't know this

weight class, so we're less interested

in you than we should be."

>> Well, the people have a thing about tiny

people. They look at a small guy who's

like 53 and weighs 125 lbs. They're

like, "Nah, we don't care."

>> 17 here.

>> 17.

>> Red Ben said the 135s and 125ers, they

should have to come into the octagon on

little mini horses and ride [laughter]

around a couple times.

That's so rude. That's so rude.

[laughter]

That's so But what what's also

interesting is like flyweight women like

Valentina Chevchenko, it's one of the

premier weight classes

>> in the women's division

>> cuz that's heavy

>> for a woman. It's like normal size. 125

is like a normal weight. It's like a man

fighting at 160 or, you know, 170. It's

normal.

>> Weird.

>> Yeah,

>> it's weird. But there's not enough

weight classes and they should have

fixed that a long time ago. There's

there's giant gaps like the gap between

185 which is uh middleweight and then