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Prove me wrong type things, you know,

way before they change my mind.

>> Change my mind. What does Charlie What

did Charlie say? Prove me wrong or

something like that.

>> It It was something akin to that. My

understanding was that

essentially uh TPUSA ripped that idea

offered.

Yeah.

>> And then uh he would I think he feels a

lot of like responsibility for what

happened with Kirk because

>> is he the MSAD?

>> What's that?

>> Is he the

>> Is he the MSAD? Yeah, exactly.

[laughter] That's so funny.

>> I don't know. Let's You got You got

Candace's number. We can ask her. We can

ask her.

>> Kansas is getting uh she's getting

dragged on Twitter today because uh

she's like, "I' I've lived in

Connecticut. I've never seen this much

ice on trees and uh it's 30° out." And

everybody's like, "Yeah,

30 is freezing."

>> Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. It's so funny.

Ice on trees.

>> Do you see all the Miss Cleo memes?

>> It's Oh, it's so funny. You remember You

don't remember the Miss Cleo? Yeah. The

psychic. They keep on putting the Miss

Cleo memes out for Candace because she's

a psychic, you know.

>> That's hilarious. [laughter]

>> It is funny.

>> I think this lighter just [ __ ] the bed.

Can I borrow that other one? Thank you.

>> Yeah,

>> it's really funny.

>> Well, Candace has painted herself into a

weird corner where everything has to be

a wild conspiracy. Like, it has to be

Bridget Mcron's a man. Oh, yeah. Erica

Kirk killed Charlie. It h it has to like

one up the last one, you know.

>> Yeah. I I was It's really funny. He came

to the same conclusion that I did. So,

it's like I've seen those conspiracy

channels come up before

>> and then they they come up and they

crash out. And the reason is is because

like for her, I think she she had the

whole like um

uh she was involved with this, right?

She was involved intricately with with

Kirk. She knew him.

>> Yeah. And so that g gave a lot of

credibility to a lot of the things that

she was saying. But then once you start

moving back into like Mandela effect

stuff and and you know time travel and

this and that. Yeah. People are like ah

[laughter]

>> I mean you could do that if you're that

guy. If you're Art Bell, you know, if

you

>> Well, you know, but Belle I I I remember

I used to listen to Bill.

>> He's the goat on the wall over there.

>> You remember that intro? Boom.

Yeah. So he the kingdom of N.

>> Yeah. Yeah. I remember I remember

listening to him [snorts] uh for years

when I drive around with my dad and he

was a like it was a big deal and I

remember the very first episode I heard

from him was something about the Nim. It

was like

>> what's the Nim?

>> The Nim were like this guy called in. He

was a time traveler, [laughter]

>> right? And he came back in time because

his whole his his whole thing was like

he had to stop the weather patterns from

destroying the future because the Nim,

an alien race of grays, had come and

they were heating up the planet slowly

to change it to be the conditionals that

were necessary for them to then live on

the planet.

>> And you know, Art Bill, he's always

playing into it with the lunatics, you

know, and he's like,

>> "And does the CIA currently know that

you're there doing this?" You know,

[laughter]

the guy And the dude's just like, "Uh,

[laughter]

>> yeah, Art would give you all the rope."

>> Oh, yeah.

>> You call Art I'm a Werewolf.

Interesting.

>> Yeah.

>> Oh, you ever hear the Bigfoot episode?

>> No.

>> Oh my god. That's the funniest episode

you'll ever hear. So, Redneck calls into

Art Bell and talks about how he killed

Bigfoot and where he buried it. And the

guy has it's like I don't know if it was

early trolling like before trolling was

trolling but it was like this guy

>> he was like yeah you know me and Timmy

we we took him out back there we shot

him right in the chest twice and u there

was some youngans and they spread out a

little bit and then we you know we

packed up the Bigfoot and buried him in

the backyard you know and B's just like

and you said there was youngans.

[laughter]

>> The Bigfoot people are the weirdest.

Duncan Trussell and I went uh hunting

for Bigfoot once. We did this uh I used

to do this TV show for a while called

Joe Rogan Questions Everything. And I

would go like, "All right, tell me about

chemtrails, you know, and I go meet with

all the loons and all all the people

that are like really involved UFO,

anything like that." Yeah. And we went

and hung out with the Bigfoot people.

So, we went Bigfoot hunting for like two

days in the Pacific Northwest and talked

to all these people and

>> they're all like the same person. I just

said it's like a team of unfuckable

white guys.

>> It's like that's what you find. Like

these guys are just like they found

their calling. It's just like

>> looking for a mystery in the woods that

you'll never solve.

>> Well, the there was a guy I used to have

on your podcast and he was he was huge

for a long time and I think it still is.

It's a remember those missing cases?

>> Mhm.

>> Right. That was that's a big deal. And I

was always like anytime I heard anything

about that, I always was enthralled with

it because some of the stories were

demented. Yeah.

>> You know, like kids appearing 500 miles

away and all this.

>> But that guy always had you edged

because people would always go, "What do

you think's going on?"

>> You know, and he

>> What was that guy's name?

>> I can't I can't remember it, but he it

was like missing

>> Yeah.

>> 411.

>> Yeah. Missing 411.

>> He's I've seen him on Instagram or on

Twitter.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. Wow. He But he'd got all the park

records, you know, and he started going

through and he was like, "Uh, there's

some really weird stuff going on here

for how many people are missing in

national parks."

>> There is. There is, but the reality is

if you die in the woods, you get

consumed pretty quick. That's the

reality. That's why you don't find

mountain lion skeletons. Mountain lions

are a real thing. I've never found a

dead mountain line skeleton in all the

times I've been hunting. Never. Not

once. You'll find uh elk bones. You

know, you'll find stuff like that.

>> I found some coyote coyote skeletons

before out in the Nevada desert.

>> But mountain lions are a real thing. You

very, very, very, very, very rarely find

a dead mountain lion.

>> Yeah.

>> And there's so many of them. Now, think

about how few people actually go like

hiking into the deep wilderness. Your

body just gets consumed.

>> Sure.

>> You know, there's so many animals that

come along, rats, all kinds of things.

Eat your bones.

>> Oh, yeah. It's a free meal.

>> Yeah. It's so easy.

>> And they can smell it for miles.

>> Sure. Bears.

>> Yeah.

>> Anywhere there's wild pigs and then then

it's over. Then there's nothing left.

>> Yeah. They can smell [snorts] that stuff

for miles.

>> But it's like people always want to

attach some crazy deeper weird, you

know, UFO Bigfoot meaning to it. It's

like no, it's you're in the wild and

nature has a whole plan for dead things

and it does a really good job of

>> I assume they don't last.

>> Not at all.

>> Well, that's the thing. If you live out

in the country, it's you see this all

the time. Uh, you know, raccoon will be

around getting in someone's trash.

They'll walk out. Bam. Raccoon's done.

They just go throw it in the bushes.

>> You don't need That's it.

>> That's it.

>> Problem problem solved.

>> Problem solved. And it disappears

quickly and the plants consume it. And

>> yeah,

>> that's it. It rots and things eat it.

>> Doesn't even take that long to rot.

>> It's pretty quick. It's pretty quick.

You ever seen like those timelapse

photos where they take a dead animal and

they let it sit there and you watch it

get consumed by maggots and it's very

quick. Yeah.

>> So, these poor people that go hiking,

you know, like if you go hiking and

you're by yourself and you break an

ankle and you're 15 miles in and you

don't have a compass and you're kind of

like roughly judging which hill you came

over and there's a lot of people that

just get ahead of themselves and they

really shouldn't be that far out there

and they just die. Happens all the time.

>> Yeah. You know, so like this idea that

it's like there's you could if you look

at all the data and you try to find a

pattern to it and you start imagining

that there's some grand conspiracy,

there's some watcher in the woods that's

consuming people, some demon that's out

there, you can you get pretty kooky with

your

>> I think the popular theory is it's wild

men.

>> Oh, wild men.

>> Wild men.

>> Oh, like humans.

>> Yeah. Well, or some human variant that

are

>> that's what this guy, this 411 guy

believes.

>> I'm not sure because he won't say they

don't he doesn't he doesn't [laughter]

actually give his here's what I think is

going on.

>> But people ask him and he's like, "Well,

I have my theories, but he never tells

you actually what the theories are, you

know."

>> Interesting. I wonder why he doesn't

want to tell. Maybe that's why he's not

more popular. If he just came out with

it like Candace. Yeah,

>> maybe it'd be huge.

>> Yeah, like those guys that used to be in

the 90s who were saying that we were

going underground and killing the

Nephilim. Remember those? Those guys

were great.

>> They You're going down. It's like a man.

And they were giants. They had three

rows of teeth and their special forces

are going down there and taking them

out. [laughter]

>> Yeah. There's a whole group of people

that believe that there's underground

creatures that live underground and come

out at night. And there's always been

like

>> Yeah. for whatever they are. You know,

people some people think the grays live

underground.

>> You know, there's like there's not a lot

of mystery left,

>> you know, outside of places like the

Amazon, the Congo that are super deep to

get to. Not a whole lot of mystery left

in terms of life.

>> Maybe ocean depths.

>> Yeah, ocean depths for sure.

>> That's like the whole new unexplored

frontier, right? Is ocean depths.

>> Yeah.

>> Saying the time I turn on the TV, it's

like, uh, look at this crazy creature.

I'm like, "That doesn't exist." And I

look it up, I'm like, "Wait, that

>> that exists?" I saw one the other day

tweeted out. I was like, "Mandela effect

has to be real." It was a

>> It's called a Siberian mu deer.

>> You ever seen a Siberian mu deer?

>> No.

>> They have fangs.

>> Oh, right. I I have seen a fang deer. I

forget what they call it. Apparently,

that's the uh You know, do you know what

elk ivories are?

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. That's It used to be like a tusk

like way way back in the day.

>> It's so [ __ ] looking, dude. Yeah,

the fang deer. Yeah, they're weird. It's

very strange.

>> Yeah.

>> I wonder what they were there for.

>> Yeah. Well, there's v I found a video

cuz I was like, "No way, dude. Do these

things exist?" I thought I was being

me'd, you know? So, [laughter]

look. And this thing is real. So, I

found a video of them fighting and they

use those things as weapons.

>> Oh, that makes sense. That's the only

thing that makes sense. Like gorillas.

The gorillas don't eat meat yet. They

have these massive fangs.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, it's nature is weird. so much

variation, you know, there's so many

different types of life. It's and that

the fact that they all sort of

synchronize like this one eats that one

and that one eats this one and this one

lives there and that one lives. It's

like it's very fascinating when you

really look at the just the wide variety

of species that exist.

>> Well, most people don't know anything

about it. Like most people have never we

live in such a comfortable world

>> that is completely guarded from

everything that's out there. And it's

like if people had a taste of out there.

>> Yeah.

>> And I think that the worldview of many

many people would change very quickly.

Especially feminist. I think that

feminists would immediately stop being

feminist if they just had a taste of

like well you know people actually did

have to shut themselves up at night from

wolves. Yeah.

>> That was a real thing. Wolves would come

in and eat you and so you would shut

yourself in so that that didn't happen.

>> Well, that's gone so far the other way

that [ __ ] retards are bringing wolves

into places.

>> Yeah, I know. [laughter]

>> It is so dumb. You know, I have a good

friend.

>> Didn't they take it over like in in

Yellowstone or some place? They

reintroduced wolves and it just

decimated the deer population,

>> the elk population. That's actually

arguable that that might have been a

good thing um in some ways because it

was getting to elk need natural

predators and mountain lions can only

kill so many elk. Yeah.

>> Um, but what's really interesting is

mountain lions kill way more elk when

wolves are around cuz the wolves find

the mountain lions and take their elk.

And so then the the mountain lions have

to go kill another deer or you know

whatever they

>> Why like just issue more hunting elk

permits though? Like why do that?

>> Well, you have to have some natural

predators in in a good healthy

ecosystem. And there's a good argument,

particularly in Montana, that at one

point in time it had gotten to a point

where you're going to have like rampant

disease because they were they were

issuing these uh they were issuing like

unlimited or a large amount of tags for

people in the mid winter so that you can

catch these elk in deep snow and just

peck them off because they were having

so many of them and that they they

weren't sustainable that they were

hitting these massive populations. So,

their populations are down to like

I want to say less than 40% of what they

were at their peak when they brought in

the wolves. But the problem is these

wolves, like what they did in Colorado

recently is the dumbest of all time

because they brought these [ __ ]

wolves outside of Aspen and they took

wolves from Washington State, Washington

State or Oregon, but whatever it was,

these these wolves from the Pacific

Northwest were wolves that already had

been killing cattle. So they captured

these wolves instead of killing them.

And then they relocated them to Aspen

where they're killing cattle. So they

they relocated him onto my buddy's

ranch. Like there's five of them.

>> And he had a cattle ranch, did he?

>> He didn't have he doesn't have cattle on

his ranch, but his [ __ ] neighbors do.

Okay. And his neighbors are losing

cattle left and right. And he's And so

now they've killed off a couple of them

and they're trying to It was a disaster.

And it's because the governor, the

governor's husband, he's a uh wildlife

lover and he thinks it would be amazing

if we had wolves.

>> You ever talk to those deer hunters in

Michigan? in Michigan.

>> Yeah, they've been pissed off for like

every deer hunter I know in Michigan has

been pissed off who's a native for years

because they all they all used to shoot

pheasant. That was the big deal in

Michigan was

>> pheasant.

>> And then here's the story I heard. I

don't know if it's true or not, right?

Um, but the DNR, the Department of

Natural Resources, imported a b a bunch

of western coyotes in order to thin out

the deer population because the deer

population was basically mangling all

these farm crops.

>> Oh boy.

>> And those now that's an all you can eat

buffet for a coyote in Nevada. These

ground birds that are just these fat

>> fat little ground birds and they

decimated the population. So you you'll

talk to these old deer hunters. Have you

seen any feeasant? No. Shut up.

[laughter]

Shut up.

>> The interesting thing about that though

is pheasants's an invasive species.

That's not a natural North American

species either.

>> They brought those [ __ ] over and they

are delicious. Yeah.

>> And it's fun to hunt them.

>> Well, they would always just walk those

train tracks, those old abandoned train

tracks, you know, and they'd have the

dogs. Do dogs kick up the feeasant and

they'd shoot them from the track. Dog

would bring it up. That was like a

Michigan pastime.

>> Yeah. Yeah, the the coyote thing is a

real problem because coyotes are now

they used to be a western animal and now

they're in all 50 states.

>> Not only that, they're in virtually

every city in America.

>> Well, they've been wiping them out in

Michigan pretty good in the rural areas.

Oh, yeah. Well, what they do now is they

have the GPS trackers to put them on the

dogs.

>> Old boys will get in with AR-15s. Those

dogs will run them for 200 miles and

then they finally take a shot and they

just will do that all winter long. Man,

>> that's good. But it's hard to wipe them

out because what they do is you know

when you hear coyotes calling it's like

roll call

they're letting sometime there's a lot

of confusion to what they're doing. Some

people think that they're letting the

other coyotes know that they've killed

something that we have food but it's

also a roll call and when one of the

coyotes is missing the females have more

pups.

>> Really?

>> Yeah. Some weird natural reaction. Also,

they have natural enemy is greywolves.

And when um they evolved, they evolved

to when the greywolves kill them because

the the greywolves don't breed with

coyotes, but coyotes do breed with red

wolves. That's why you have these like

koi wolves on the east coast.

>> A coyote is a wolf. It's a wolf. It's

just a small wolf. And so, their natural

inclination is when they're getting

chased, they move to a new area and then

they have even more pups. So that's how

they've spread out through the entire

country. So if you go back to like the

turn of the century, like the 1900s,

>> coyotes were exclusively a western

animal.

>> Yeah.

>> Now they're in [clears throat] New York

City.

>> Yeah. They're everywhere,

>> which is crazy. They have them in

Central Park. They have [ __ ] coyotes

running around Central Park.

>> Some lady this morning posted on X uh a

mountain line in San Francisco sitting

on a porch

>> in the city of San Francisco. A big one

just sitting there. It's like [laughter]

>> just having a good time. [clears throat]

Well, that's just cuz California has the

dumbest [ __ ] laws when it comes to

those things.

>> Yeah. Well, they have terrible gun laws,

too. They have terrible terrible laws.

They have terrible laws, period.

>> They have terrible laws. Terrible

everything.

>> Terrible politicians. You know, it's a

shame, too. Like, I grew up in Santa

Rosa.

>> And um that's the most beautiful area,

>> the Napa Valley area. It's the most

beautiful area on planet Earth. The

weather's always perfect. It's January

15th. It might as well be July 15th,

right? It's always perfect. It's always

gorgeous. And they [ __ ] it all up.

>> They [ __ ] it all up.

>> They [ __ ] it all up.

>> Yeah.

>> And they [ __ ] it up real bad, too.

>> Oh, it's almost unfixable now.

>> Especially like San Francisco area.

>> Like the whole Pacific Northwest is

almost unfixable. It's like they double

down and they keep going. Like Seattle

now has a communist mayor.

>> Yeah.

>> Who's been living with her parents.

>> New York. [laughter] They all got

communists.

Black Lives Matter had they were their

head organizers. They were communist,

devoued communists. Like

>> until it came to buying property with

Black Lives Matter money.

>> Yeah.

>> What's happening with that?

>> Well, then they're then they're very

much capitalistic.

>> How come they're not in trouble? I don't

understand that. Like they spent

millions of dollars of that money on

real estate.

>> Yeah.

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>> What's going on?

>> No idea. I have no idea why. Well, I

don't I don't know why the the heads of

many of these organizations aren't being

rounded up and sumearily arrested.

>> Yeah.

>> I mean, we're watching these I've been

covering the riots non-stop.

>> I'm sorry. Protest that the completely

organic protests, which are totally

organic. Um,

>> and it's been interesting to watch. I

was watching one the other day. We were

live and it was Don Lemon and he had

showed up at Minnesota and the first

thing Don Lemon does, right? I hate Don

Lemon, by the way. But first thing,

>> one of the dumbest [ __ ] that

has ever gotten on television.

>> He's terrible. First thing he does, he

gets he drives up in this car. He's in

the back seat and he jumps out of the

car and he has this [ __ ] eatating lemon

smile on his face, you know, and he runs

over with Starbucks to these people and

he's like, "Here you go."

>> Yeah.

>> And then he jumps back in the car,

right? And they drive off.

>> Now, here's here's what's interesting

about this. He comes back and he's in

there with the protesters, you know what

I mean? And he's interviewing them. Most

of the protesters are saying, "We're

coming from out of town. We're from this

state. I'm from two states away. I'm

from three states away." You know, for

this totally organic protest. Well, the

cops, what they start doing, they have

these guard rails on the the sidewalk in

front of the ice facility, and there's

gaps inside of that barrier. And so,

they pull their police cruisers in just

to fill those gaps so that they stay

behind the barrier. And Lemon's like,

"Why would they do that? Why would they

why would they keep us compressed uh you

know, behind this barrier?" And I'm

thinking, "Because you just stopped your

car in the middle of the street to run

across the road and give these guys

Starbucks, you idiot." you know, they

want to keep the roadway clear so that

they can get their people in and out.

You literally stopped your car in the

middle of the road, ran across the

street to give these people Starbucks

and then got back in your car and

they're like, why why is it that they're

trying to get to keep us from getting

into the road, you [laughter] know? I'm

like, what are you talking about? I just

couldn't believe. I was like, what? It's

amazing when these people that are so

smug where they're protected by a large

organization by CNN and then they get

fired and then they get they're

basically like like a dog like Carl

getting released into the woods and then

they have to fend for themselves and you

see them in the world of podcasting

where you don't have anybody writing

things for you and you have to express

your own opinions. You're like, "Oh,

this is the real you." It turns out

you're a [ __ ] [laughter] that. Wow. I

didn't know. Whoa. You know, the whole

time, Matt, you thinking the whole time,

uh, you know, I never thought I'd be an

entertainer. I didn't think I'd do

anything with podcast. Never. Never in a

million years. I never would have

thought that.

>> You were a what were you? An engineer or

a robot?

>> Robotics mechanic. Yeah.

>> A robotics mechanic. Yeah.

>> How did you get involved in that? Uh

well, I was a I was a gunsmith for years

and um there there's no real applicable

skills outside of that for anything

actually. There it doesn't really carry

over in anything. It's really its own

thing, you know, bluing things like it

just doesn't carry over.

>> Um a friend of mine said, "Hey, look,"

because I told him, I was like, "I need

a job. Um you know, I I'm I'm not making

it. What do What do you think?" He's

like, "You know, you should apply to be

an industrial mechanic." And I was like,

I don't know much about it, you know.

He's like, we'll just go apply. So, I

did took NAPDU test. And so, uh, the guy

was like, well, I want to hire you at a

level three, which was high high, you

know, was like mid-range. Wasn't the

highest, wasn't the lowest. I was like,

damn. Okay. You know, what's the pay?

He's like, was like 30 an hour. You

know, that to me was was life-changing.

So, I took the job and I got I didn't

know what the hell I was doing, but they

trained me up well. And then, um, there

were some robots on the floor and I

started working on those. And then from

there they trained me in robotics and so

uh it was it was all done on site.

>> What kind of automation like automation

and it was all food related.

>> Food related.

>> Mhm. All food robots. Yep. So we weren't

dealing with Johnny 5. We were dealing

with like vacuum systems and ovens and

uh various robots which were associated

with those. Like for instance there was

a packaging machine that would just all

it would do is form boxes. That's it.

All it did it just that's it. But it

would form, you know, a thousand boxes a

minute. And it was a it was a giant

robot and it had a huge sequence of

functions on it. You know, when people

think robot, they always think humanoid.

But almost no robot

>> is is in any way humanoid at all. You

know, they're that's just not what

they're for.

>> It is weird, right, that we think of

robots as like movie robots. We think of

iRoot.

>> Yeah. If if you came across a robot in a

factory, you would have no idea it was a

robot. You'd be like, "What the hell is

that? So, how did you go from that to

debating people online?

>> Uh, co. So, the Yeah, the lockdowns

happened and I was laid off. The all the

food plants in Michigan were shut down,

especially the meat plants and that's

where I was. I was in the meat plants

>> and uh and they all shut down be because

of the draconian restrictions of one

Gretchen Whitmer. And um anyway, while

she was out with, you know, on a boat

partying with uh you know, with her

honey, we were all locked out of work,

right?

>> So, familiar story.

>> Yeah. We had the stay at home orders and

I would argue with these dumb liberals

on Facebook and uh and they man, they

pissed me off. And so, I started

crashing their panels and I would debate

with them and um you know, I had a lot

to say and those things started to

become more and more popular and they

would move over to YouTube. People would

clip it. Then I started getting invited

on to do debates with other people. And

I didn't know who these people were. It

wasn't my world. Like I didn't know who

any of these podcasters were, you know,

stuff like that. I'd listen to it maybe

occasionally

>> online, but like I I couldn't have told

you who like Vosch was or Destiny or any

of these PE. Like I didn't know who any

of them were.

>> Um and I didn't care. To me it was just

some other dumb smug liberal, you know?

So um that's where I got my start. I

never would have foreseen at all that

I'd be sitting here with you. That's so

in Well, I never would have foreseen I

would have been here either.

>> It's weird, huh?

>> Yeah. Oh, it's weird. Very weird.

>> And I'll never get used to it. People

walk over and they're like, "You're

Andrew Wilson." And I'm like, "I'm

[ __ ] nobody." You know what I mean?

But it's nice to meet you. You know,

shake their hand, you have a chat with

them.

>> Uh, I'll never get used to it.

>> No, you probably shouldn't. It's

probably better to not get I'm not used

to it.

>> Yeah. Used to it.

>> It's probably better to not be used to

it.

>> Keep you sane.

>> And maybe keep you humble. Yeah, you

need something. You need something to

keep you humble. We all know people that

did not have something that kept them

humble and they lost their their way.

The wheels fall off.

>> Yeah. They lose their marbles.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. Especially as you get more and

more famous. It becomes more and more

unmanageable.

>> I was I feel like I I'm pretty well

grounded uh due to the fact that um I

didn't come from a political background.

There's no famous people in my family,

you know, there's just none of that. And

so I feel like the the grounding is

always there because uh you know even

even from the family you get the call

like from from my brother for instance

like he's been calling me the I don't

know if you can say the felur here so I

won't but he's been calling yeah [ __ ]

He's been you know he's been like the

the phone call since I was 15. What are

you doing [ __ ] Has not changed.

>> Good.

>> It has not changed. You know 42. He's

like happy birthday [ __ ] [laughter]

>> That's normal.

>> Yeah.

>> I remember you were having a

conversation. I think it was on Pierce

Morgan who is the best cat wrangler in

the business.

>> That's what he does. He cat wrangles.

>> Yeah, I just talked to him briefly.

>> Is he okay

>> on Well, that's what I asked him. I just

Yeah, I sent him a DM and I was like,

"Hey,

>> for people don't know, he fell."

>> Yeah, he fell

>> and really [ __ ] himself.

>> And it was the hip and at his age, the

hip,

>> you know, you don't want to Nothing with

the hip. Every time I see anybody who's

60s

>> Mhm.

>> they get the hip injury, it's it's bad.

>> Yeah. It's not good. I think they they

think your lifespan post hip surgery is

like 10 years.

>> Yeah, it's right. And that

>> he'll probably be better than that.

>> He will.

>> And I think he's mobile.

>> Oh, that's good.

>> He's mobile, but I'm

>> really good at hip replacements now.

>> I was like, what's you know, are you are

you doing? He's like, yeah, you know,

I'm I'm doing okay. And and I was like,

don't [ __ ] around with the hips, dude.

>> It's crazy that he had to have a hip

replacement. Like, how bad was that

fall?

>> Uh yeah, I don't know. I don't know what

the details of it were, but

>> I fell like a sack of spuds, he wrote.

[laughter] Wound up needing a new hip

after fracturing the neck of his femur

and is recovering from surgery. In

addition to being on crutches for 6

weeks, he won't be allowed to take any

longhaul flights for at least 12 weeks.

He tripped on a small step inside of a

lust a London restaurant in the tumble.

You think he's drunk?

>> He could have been a little fired up.

>> A little drunk. was also is, you know,

not the most fit or agile guy in the

world.

>> True.

>> You know,

>> Yeah.

>> He's only two years older than me.

>> No way.

>> Yeah.

>> Really?

>> Mhm.

>> Not crazy.

>> Yeah. Damn.

>> Yeah. Some people

>> don't take care of themselves.

>> Yeah. He got he got the crack. Yeah. I

got to quit these. But yeah, he got the

crack on the on the hip and I was like,

man.

>> Do you think that American spirits are

better than Marorrow for you?

>> Probably.

>> Yeah.

>> But they taste like [ __ ] Do they? Is

there a difference? You really like the

Marbo taste? You don't think you get

used to American Spirits?

>> I think I could.

>> Um

>> I've been trying the cigarellas. Those

have been helpful. Like the little mini

cigarette cigars.

>> Oh yeah. Ron White used to smoke those.

He just quit totally. He went to a

hypnotist, quit instantaneously. But

those are loaded with nicotine. Like way

more nicotine than a cigarette. He was

smoking those [laughter] little tins. We

have those.

>> What are those tins, Jamie? Do you know

what they are?

>> It's like a like a famous cigar company

sells tins of these little tiny cigars.

And it's great if you don't have the

time to smoke this. Like you get out of

a flight, you just want to have a small

But he inhales these [ __ ] like

a cigarette.

>> That's brutal, dude. [laughter] That'll

do you in. And then washes it down with

whiskey.

>> Well, he doesn't drink anymore. He quit

drinking. Yeah. I think he went

>> That was always in his bit, though. He

was always up there smoking and

drinking. And I always thought,

>> I love that. It was

>> Well, he did it. He did it till the

wheels fell off and then um the drinking

was the big one. You know, he went to a

doctor and the doctor's like, "You're

going to die."

>> Yeah.

>> Like your liver is not in good shape.

Like if you back off now, you'll

probably live. If you don't, you're not.

You got like a few years left.

>> Well, alcoholics too, they have it. I

don't know if he was one or not. He

might have just been like a heavy social

drinker, but like real alcoholics,

that's no way to live.

>> No. I mean, uh, they stink.

>> They They're like I mean, kind of

everything about a real alcoholic is

just they look completely unwell.

>> They're just kind of mangled, you know?

>> Yeah.

>> It's a weird disease, too. Uh, in that

that addiction is one that you can't

quit.

>> You can't just cold turkey.

>> You'll die.

>> You'll die. There's only a couple of

things that'll just kill you if you quit

right away. And alcohol is one of them,

which is really crazy because it gets

integrated into your biological system

where you need it to stay alive. Your

body's like, "Okay, we're going to use

this for fuel. Going to use this to

function."

>> Yeah. They've been weaning people off

alcohol with beer for centuries.

>> Is that what they use? Beer.

>> Yeah. They used beer. They would just

go, "Okay." And well, it was pretty

common to drink beer and ale with

dinner, you know?

>> They just weenie off with beer.

>> That makes sense.

>> They knew. They knew hundreds of years

ago there's books on how alcohol, you

know, what do they consumption or

whatever they called it.

>> Uh they killed you if you just if you

just quit if you're an alcoholic and so

they'd wean off with beer.

>> Wonder when they started making hard

liquor cuz you would imagine like

fermented things like wine and beer were

like the first things that people

consumed.

>> I think it's been around for thousand I

mean several thousand years.

>> I wonder I wonder like how they figured

it out. The biggest the biggest uh what

was it the biggest distributor in Europe

of wine was the Catholic Church.

>> Well, wine has certainly been around

forever, but like what about hard

liquor? Jamie, put that into our sponsor

perplexity. When was the first what

known? I mean, we don't really know

because there's so much weird [ __ ] about

history, but like what was the first

in like documented hard liquor like

whiskey, vodka, [ __ ] like that? That's

the That's the stuff that kills you. If

you die from beer, boy, you you're

[ __ ] you're going hard. Like Shane

Gillis will sit here on a podcast and

drink 16 Bud Lights.

Um, first alcohol drinks were fermented

things like beer, wine, me. Okay.

Thousands of years before true liquor.

Okay. First rec recognizable liquor

appears when people began to distill.

Archaeological evidence shows fermented

drinks. Okay. That's around 7,000 B.CE.

So clear of is of true alcohol

distillation. Chinese rice beer dist

distillates

by about 800 BCE.

>> Yeah.

>> So a couple thousand years.

>> Couple thousand years. Yeah.

>> Yeah.

Okay. Wind into strong spirits. The Arab

alchemists.

Alul. Oh, interesting. Using the term

alul, the root of alcohol.

Well, they used they used alcohol as

base for for alchemy, too. That was a

base for trying to transmute metal.

Yeah.

>> I wonder if they were ever successful.

>> They were never successful.

>> Nothing.

>> No.

>> It seems like a crazy thing to waste so

much time on trying to turn lead into

gold.

>> I mean, there there was whole kingdoms

spent trying to figure out how to do

this.

>> Wild.

>> And it's just like and they never I

mean, you think about it, it makes

sense, right? If you're the first one,

>> if you're the one who knows

>> Mhm. like you can just create as much

wealth for yourself as you want.

>> Oh yeah.

>> And uh

>> it's just amazing that they kept trying.

Must have been someone saying that they

got it. I got it, dude. Just give me

some money.

>> Oh, there's tons of frauds.

>> Yeah,

>> there was tons of frauds who were

alchemist who, you know, there were the

that centuries version of a snake oil

salesman, you know. Yeah, of course we

can we can turn and there there was ones

even in the '9s who were like, we can

now turn, you know, base metals into

gold. I think there's something now

where they can make some gold, but I

think it takes an incredible amount of

energy

>> and

>> cost more to make than it's worth,

>> right? I think it's one of them deals.

Is that a fact? I feel like I've read

something like that fairly recently,

but it's Here's the weird one. Why gold?

Like, why does anybody give a [ __ ] about

this metal that you can't even use?

>> There's not much of it,

>> right? That's true.

>> Is what they saying there's um 90% of

all the gold ever discovered still in

circulation,

>> right? Yeah. Well, China just found a

huge vein of gold. An enormous amount.

But I mean, when you say enormous, it's

like relative. Yeah. Because I think the

entire world supply of gold will fit

inside of a football field.

>> Yeah. There's not much of it.

>> Yeah.

>> It's very I mean, and very little of it

is worth a lot. I mean, even if you

think a pirates treasure chest, you

know, it's not actually that much gold,

>> right? So it's yeah it's

>> it's a box of gold

>> extremely valuable and also you can do

things with it you can't do with other

metals and same thing with silver you

know silver

>> scientists mimicking the big bang

accidentally turn lead into gold yeah so

this is the thing but I mean again I

think mimicking the big bang like what

are they using a particle collider like

what are they doing

okay how they do it how to steal a

proton protons found the nucleus of an

atom so extreme extremely small amounts.

In fact, a total of some 29 trillionth

of a gram they made. Okay. Smashing lead

atoms into each other. Extreme. So, it

is a particle collider. I guess uh the

working on the Alice experiment and the

large hydron collider. Yeah, there it

is. In Switzerland in incidentally

produced small amounts of gold.

>> You just need a you just need a

partider. That's all. No big deal. No

big deal. You just build it into a whole

mountain. And now they're building a

second one. They said they're building

into a new mountain,

>> right? [laughter]

>> Well, there was one they were putting

during the Clinton administration. They

were building a particle collider

somewhere in the middle of America. I'm

trying to figure out where it was.

>> I'm certain there's already more than

one.

>> Oh, there's many particle colliders.

>> Yeah. But I'm certain there's ones that

are

>> that are even probably larger and hidden

than the one that's currently there.

Yeah.

>> Really? You think so?

>> Yeah. Oh, for sure.

>> What do you think they're doing with

them? Well, I mean, the military

applications for that are like they're

enormous. The idea that uh you could

make like some kind of particle weapon,

you know, or something like this.

>> Oh, right. Right. Right.

>> Um Yeah. There's no way that the that

the US military is going to let

scientists have a gadget like that

somewhere that they don't have complete

control over. There's no way. I wonder

because I I don't know what kind of

military applications you would have for

particle colliders.

I mean, for sure,

>> big explosions, right?

>> There's probably Yeah, but you're just

you've got a giant loop and you're

slinging

>> smashing things together, right?

>> Yeah.

>> So, what I mean, what do you do

together? You can make them go boommy

boom, right?

>> Kind of. Well, the real concern with the

Large Hadron Collider is they were going

to create many black holes that were

going to eat their way through the Earth

that you wouldn't be able to stop them.

They would just like slide through the

Earth,

>> you know.

>> Yeah, I heard that. I heard they were

concerned they were going to open up a

portal to a different dimension. I've

heard like I've Yeah, I've heard all

sorts of Yeah, we changed our timeline.

>> We're on the new timeline. You know, the

uh the whole nine yards. I I've I've

heard it all. I'm just saying that

anything. It's just been my experience.

Look, when I look through the historic

record that if there's any scientific

gadget out there that looks like it has

the potential to make something go boom,

the United States military has a version

of it somewhere.

>> Yeah, that makes sense. That makes

sense. But for whatever reason, they

abandoned this one during the Clinton

administration. I I don't remember why

they abandoned it, but you could people

can if they have access to the area

where it's at can still go inside of it

and see like what they started to build,

but they never did. But it would have

been larger than the large hydron

collider. I want to say it's in Georgia.

>> I don't remember though. But it's a it

was going to be an enormous particle

collider.

>> Yeah.

>> And for some reason they just stopped

funding to this thing.

But

>> well, they're talking about funding

another another one that's twice the

size the one that they have now. They

say that they need more room to smash

more particles together.

>> What are they trying to do?

>> I have no idea. Like that is way outside

of of my domain. Um, I can tell you I

probably the same things you've heard,

right, is uh they're trying to smash

small particles together to see what

happens. That's what the kind of the

official story is. But it's funny

because every time a new story comes

out, it's like

>> scientists smash this together with this

and this happens. And I'm always like,

"Okay, well, what does that mean?" And

you never get any of that. Right.

>> Right.

>> This one was in Texas.

>> Oh, was in Texas. Yeah. The Clinton.

Okay, that's it.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Spent $2 billion on it and abandoned it.

I wonder. See if you can find some

images of it.

>> Yeah, it's outside of Dallas.

>> Oh, it is outside of Dallas. Okay.

>> Abandoned superconducting super collider

site in 2008. Wow. I wonder if you could

buy it. That'd be [ __ ] awesome.

>> Get Broen's own [laughter]

particle collider.

>> I mean, there's nothing there. It's just

concrete.

Finish it.

>> What's the big deal?

>> Like that weird time machine out in the

desert. That was really funny.

>> Let me set up an archery range inside of

it.

>> Confirmed this stuff last week.

Department of War confirms plans to

scale direct energy weapons. Did you see

that thing with China?

>> Why would they need a hydro collider

though, right? Or you know, particle

well because they want to make stuff go

boom.

>> Yeah, direct energy weapons.

>> Yes, Department of War has direct energy

weapons. Yes, we are scaling them. Wow.

>> Conspiracy theorist went wild over this.

>> Told you.

>> Well, that was a lot of people. The

really

>> Fallout rifle though. I do. I want my

plasma rifle, right?

>> I do. Like if they have plasma rifles,

you're going to buy one, right? Oh,

yeah. Oh, for sure.

>> You'd probably get a tax stamp. You It

probably be like a lengthy thing to get.

>> Um I'm glad you're a gun guy because I

want I wanted to bring up this whole

thing with this guy uh Prey. Yeah.

>> And I I haven't talked about it. We

haven't done a podcast since that guy

got killed. Um but that whole thing

for there's a lot of people that don't

understand what's going on and um why

riots only in Minneapolis and why riots

in the place where there's an ungodly

amount of fraud that has been discovered

>> coincidentally right around the same

time.

>> Exactly. Like instantaneously afterwards

the narrative completely changes.

Everybody forgets about the fraud. Now

all anybody cares about is ICE and

fascists and Nazis.

>> Yeah.

>> And um

>> it's uh there's a you know what a color

revolution is

>> of course

>> and for people that don't it's it's a

coordinated effort to cause chaos and

this is a very coordinated thing. The

idea that this is an organic protest

these these riots organic is nonsense.

Um it's provably nonsense because now

they have access to the signal chats. So

they know that these So these people

that

>> Cam Higgby, by the way, yes, he was he's

been on the front lines of this. Um, The

Crucible has been a big supporter of

that effort. Uh, my channel, um, I will

often snipe his coverage while it's

going on, send my audience over to send

in super chats in order to keep this guy

going. I think that that work is

critical.

>> Yes,

>> it's critical work. And there's not that

many people doing it anymore because of

how dangerous it has become.

>> Yes. And so I'm a big supporter of that.

Doesn't mean I agree with everything he

says politically, but what he's doing on

the ground there needs to happen,

>> right? We need you need to understand

that this isn't organic. Regardless of

how you feel, I don't feel that that guy

should have been shot. Um, but I

understand what happened and what

happened was chaos. So what hap first of

all, it wasn't ICE. People need to

understand that [clears throat]

it was uh customs border patrol people.

So they were brought in to assist ICE.

Um, and they're telling this lady to

stand away and then this cop gets very

aggressive and shoves her. Um, you have

to understand the situation that they're

in, right? And this is not making an

excuse for any of it, but you have to

just just to put it into context. These

people are getting harassed outside of

any hotel they're at. People blow horns.

They try to smash into the hotel. They

dox them. That's why they're wearing

masks. It's a coordinated effort. I'm

not saying that guy should have shoved

that guy. I don't think he should have

or that woman. I don't think he should

have. And then pepper- sprrayed. And

then the guy who got shot, Prey, he

steps in, which is if you know anything

about concealed carry, if you are a

concealed carry holder and you are

carrying not just a pistol, but two full

magazines as well, you do not ever

physically engage with someone. You also

are supposed to carry your license on

you and you're supposed to uh you're

supposed to have ID on you. All right.

You you

>> and you're trained specifically for

this. By the way, I was a CPL instructor

for years.

>> Okay. So, you know about it.

>> The the thing is there's a framework

here if you don't mind if I add your

framework.

>> The framework here is this is a

mathematical formula. So, I've been

following these extremely closely live

um and looking at at how this is done.

Let's go backwards in time. You remember

what was going on in California? Nobody

died in California. There was an ICE

raid on a Home Depot and they went nuts

and they started smashing police cars.

They were starting fires, right? This

was not over. Somebody dying. And now

the narrative, they're trying to make

the narrative shift. The Gestapos in

here, you know, murdering American

citizens. Well, and what what was going

on in California then because there was

no American citizens getting murdered

there. What was going on there was they

did an ice raid in a Home Depot, which

anybody who's been to California knows

that uh you know there's it used to be

that you'd drive down the street and

they would all hang out in front of the

Home Depot and you'd say two, right?

>> And they'd hop in the truck and you

would you know they would go Yeah. They

were day laborers, right?

>> So it didn't surprise me that they were

there doing daily raids. Okay, that

doesn't surprise me a bit.

>> Uh and they they all went ballistic.

>> Now here's what was very curious about

the coverage of that. And I had a debate

with a couple of leftists on this.

What I saw was what looked to me to be a

police standown order. There was people

who were breaking into I don't remember

if it was an Amco or a 7-Eleven, but

they were busting into it. The cops were

were on the side corner watching this go

down and do anything. They didn't do

anything about it.

>> Right.

>> Okay. They if it got too rowdy, they'd

clear it out and then they let them

continue. It looked like a standown

order, like you don't you don't involve

yourself. Well, what I think these guys

have figured out is a mathematical

formula and it works like this. The if

the local police are not going to

protect the federal buildings, then it's

left to the federal police to do this,

right? In this case, ICE is going to

protect its own buildings. The FBI is

going to protect its own buildings. If

the local police aren't going to protect

it and it's surrounded, then who who

does the protection then? And this is

why Trump, he unleashes the National

Guard, but where to those federal

buildings to protect those federal

buildings. That was the whole point of

it. That's And basically anytime he's

unleashed a National Guard that I've

seen, it's two federal buildings to

protect them. And so, uh, the

mathematical formula works like this.

The longer it is that protesters are

engaging with federal officers whose job

is not to do basic street cleanup of

thugs, that's the local PD's job. Uh,

the chances that there's an incident,

which is going to be a bad incident, is

going to occur. So basically the longer

you're there, the the more attrition

there is, the more engagements you have

with with these federal officers over

time, eventually yes,

>> there's going to be something which is

out of pocket that happens or something

which is escalatory that happens and

they're banking on that. And that's why

ICE is out in front of these or not ICE,

the Antifa people are still out in front

of the ICE buildings in front of many

states night after night after night.

And it's designed specifically to make

sure it's just ma a math formula, right?

The longer we're here and the less the

local PD involves itself, the more

chance of incident between federal

officers and us.

>> You're knocking steel against Flint.

>> Yep.

>> Yeah. You're you're

>> waiting for the fire.

>> You're waiting for sparks.

>> And um in this particular instance, this

guy uh clearly had been very involved.

Uh I don't know if he was a part of the

signal chats, but when you go to what's

supposed to be a peaceful protest and

you're fully armed like that with two

magazines, it's kind of crazy, right?

Like what do you why do you need so many

bullets?

>> Now the liberal said prosecond

amendment, too.

>> That is wild.

>> Wild, which I'm for.

>> He had every right.

>> Like tell He didn't last month, but

okay.

>> I like it. I like where it's going. I

like that cuz that's kind of a trap. Um,

[laughter]

did you see what MSNBC did to his image?

>> Yeah. Were they Were they gusty?

>> They did the opposite of what CNN did to

me. You know, CNN during the COVID times

turned me green

>> and uh they made me ugly and look like I

was dying and they made him handsome.

Yeah.

>> So people would be more sympathetic to

him getting shot, which is kind of wild.

Like are ugly people less valuable to

MSNBC?

>> Less marketable?

>> That is crazy to me. Like look at the

difference.

>> Yeah. Look at the difference. They

shortened up his face. They gave him a

little bit of a tan. They widened his

face a little bit. It seems like they

just made him a little handsomemer.

>> Yeah. Little hotter.

>> They gave him gave him a bit of that

Chad jaw, didn't they?

>> They shrunk his nose a little, too,

didn't they? They did. They shrunk his

nose. Gave him a little bit of a

handsome jaw. So, he looks like

>> And they made him, if you look at the

shoulders, it even looks like they uh

they may have plumped up the shoulders

there a bit.

>> A little bit. Yeah. The one on the right

looks like looks like he's a little

plumper. Yeah.

>> Yeah. Yeah. They they changed the tone

of the color. Wild.

I mean, they look at they they changed

his [ __ ] teeth, man.

>> Communist news now.

>> They gave him veneers.

>> Yeah.

>> Like look at the difference in his

teeth. He's a much more handsome guy.

Like the one on the right is like the

handsome brother and the one on the left

is like, "Fuck, why couldn't I look on

the right hand?"

>> Yeah. The one on the right, he they were

twins and he took more of the protein.

Right. Right. That was what that was

what happened. The thing is is like this

doesn't surprise me by the way. Uh this

is um what's going on and it this is a

well orchestrated well-crafted thing.

Yeah.

>> And the signal chats prove that but we

knew it anyway.

>> Yes.

>> Involving government by the way

allegedly at least involving Minnesota

state government.

>> Well, it involves Waltz.

>> Yes.

>> So that's not alleged,

>> right? That's not alleged.

>> It's not alleged that it involves Waltz.

It's not alleged that it involves Frey.

Right.

>> And it's not alleged. Well, what what is

alleged is the allegations of fraud, of

course, but

>> but there would be a reason why you

would want to distract from all that

fraud and that would motivate you to do

something along these lines. So, let's

go back to the the instance.

>> So, um you've got these cops that are on

these CBP guys that are on high alert,

right? There's a lot of tension, people

are screaming. If you're in an

environment like that all day, like I've

never been a police officer, but I was a

security guard. And when I was I was a

security guard for Great Woods, and by

the way, I'm not comparing this in any

way, but I'm just explaining my

mentality when I was there. It was very

much us versus them. It was a small

group of guys that were uh working at uh

I I worked at Greatwood Center for the

Performing Arts in Mansfield,

Massachusetts. It's a concert venue in

Mansfield. And this was when I was

fighting. So it was me and uh a bunch of

guys from my taekwond do team got hired

to be security guards. One of the guys

came and said, "Hey, you guys want to uh

get a job working as a security guard?

It's great. You get to see concerts."

And it was like a good pay. And you

know, I was doing a bunch of random jobs

back then while I was competing just to

sort of pay bills. And I said, "Yeah,

okay. What do I have to do?" And like

it's nothing. You just go there and you

work. First day on the job. I go there,

some guy had stolen one of the security

golf carts. So there's this dude named

Alleycat. He was the head guy of

security. He was [ __ ] character.

Hilarious. His main dream was to open up

a a bar. Lib Alleycats, libations, and

victuals. He had this whole dream of

like just a real character. But this guy

was a hardcore [ __ ] And uh they

caught the guy who uh stole this golf

cart, tacked him to the ground, and he

was beating him in the face with a

walkietalkie. This is my first day on

the job. So I'm like, "Okay, so this is

what we're doing." And we kind of became

like almost like cops for this place,

but there was very much an us versus

them mentality. And uh it turns out it

was a lot more involved than I ever

thought it was. And then one day I was

at a Neil Young concert. I was working

the Neil Young concert and riots broke

out. There was fire. It was cold out and

there was like a grassy area. So there

was like a lawn. So it was like there's

the inside, not inside, it was like an

outdoor concert venue, but there was a

roof to part of it and then the back of

it was like this lawn area that was in

the back and these guys had started

bonfires up there and we we were

supposed to go in there and break up the

bonfires. And then my friend Larry, who

is like one of the most mildmannered

guys you would ever want to meet, but

you know, a elite black belt. He gets in

a fight with this guy and some guy

pushes him and he knocks this guy down.

And I'm like, okay, chaos is broken out.

Let's get the [ __ ] I'm like, let's quit.

Let's get the [ __ ] out of here. And I

used to wear a hoodie. I used to carry a

hoodie so I could just zip up the hoodie

over my security outfit and like, bye.

Um because I knew there was going to

come a time where I was like, I'm not

getting shot, stabbed, killed, whatever,

stomped.

for 20.

So I wound up leaving that day. But

>> you there was a very and I it very

clearly like oh this is probably what

happens with cops times a million. Like

you develop this us versus them because

it was very much us. We would meet up at

the beginning of our shift. We would all

talk about what's going down. We mostly

we were catching people that were

bringing in alcohol like women in their

purses would you know you know like uh

some Carly Simon or something be

playing. and they'd sneak in a bottle of

wine that you know and James Taylor, you

know, there was a lot of that. And so we

would we'd have like literal

[ __ ] trash cans filled with bottles

of wine and liquor at the end of the

night. We would get to keep them. We'd

take them home. And so this us versus

them.

>> That's a nice perk.

>> It was kind of fun.

>> Yeah, that's a nice perk. It's like

>> also I was illegal to drink. I was only

19 at the time. But

>> an even nicer perk. Yeah, [laughter] it

was very clearly us versus them and the

tensions were very high.

>> Like whenever some weird [ __ ] went down,

everybody puffed up their chest and

everybody was ready to throw down. And I

was like, "This job is not good." But it

it educated me. I was like, "Okay." And

I in my mind I was like, "Okay, this is

must be like this when you're police

officer again times a million." Uh that

to think of what's going on.

>> Why they have their codes, right? They

have the they have their oaths they take

and then they have their little codes to

each other too.

>> Exactly. Exactly.

>> But I wouldn't I don't blame them. Like

it seems completely there's a a certain

wisdom to this

>> like hey look that could be me%

>> and so if it's you I'm going to be right

there with you% and then if it's me

you're going to be right there with me.

I get it. Also, there's a tremendous

amount of social media content that

anybody could access at any given time

where a lot of these dorks are calling

for violence. You know, it's just it's

all over the place. You could find it.

The least likely people that would ever

be involved in any sort of an

altercation are on Tik Tok calling for

violence. We got to kill these

[ __ ] We got to shoot these

[ __ ] And these guys are out

there in the middle of that. All right.

So, tensions are high as [ __ ] And

they're getting screamed out all the

time. They're on red alert. They're

wearing vests. They're carrying guns.

>> Well, their wives are getting called and

threatened. And uh they're saying

they're gonna rape their kids. And

they're saying that they're going to

brutalize their family members. And they

give them calls in the middle of the

night. And they whisper to them, "Well,

how's your dad such and such doing, you

know, and just cryptic things like that

and let it go."

>> Uh-huh. Exactly. And this is very

coordinated. It's very coordinated and

organized. And the way they find out all

their information,

it's very creepy. So again, I don't

think this guy should have pushed that

lady. I mean, the way he did it was very

violent. She was a small woman and he he

shoved her very violently to the ground.

Then this other guy, Prey, gets in

between them, okay? Which again, if

you're a concealed carry holder, is a

giant no. You do not [ __ ] do that.

You do not engage with law enforcement

when you're armed. You shouldn't engage

with anyone

>> ever. Ever. I mean,

>> you should be avoiding You should be

trained to avoid conflict. Yes. That's

the whole thing is like uh if you're if

you're armed, you move into that next

level of you need to really be avoiding

conflict. You're not supposed to be in

bars drinking. Exactly. You're not

supposed to be uh you know at big

parties and things like this where

violent things can occur.

>> Exactly.

>> You know, you can take it to church,

defend the church. Other than that,

>> like you're supposed to be avoiding

conflict.

>> Exactly. So, uh, he gets in between the

officer and this woman, puts his hands

on the officer,

>> and then he gets pepper-sprayed.

They go to the ground. There's a lot of

scrambling going on. Now, you have to

understand what happens when you get

pepper-sprayed. Okay. Uh, I've never

been pepper-sprayed, but I did get

teargassed once during Fear Factor. We

did a a fear factor stunt where these

people had to I forget what they had to

do but we we had built this there was

like a structure and they were inside

the structure and they released tear gas

in this charger. I got hit with it. It's

pretty brutal but

>> it's painful.

>> Yeah. It sucks

>> and you can't breathe.

>> You can't breathe. Your eyes swell up.

You your nose starts running like crazy.

Yeah.

>> Um

>> and that [ __ ] stays on your clothes.

>> You don't think well when that happens.

So this this guy's clearly not thinking

well and he can't see and he's you know

and then they're on him, right? So

they're on him and then

one guy whether he yells out he's got a

gun or grabs the gun first. I I'm not

sure. But there he has a gun. So they

see his gun in the middle of the

scramble. The guy pulls his gun out and

moves off. Now this is where it gets

this is where it gets weird.

I I believe the gun was a Sig P32.

A a Sig P320 is known for having

accidental discharges. It is uh it has a

reputation for it. It has a very

specific type of striker. It doesn't

have uh a safety the way some other guns

do. And you can have negligent

discharges with SIGs.

>> Now, is the the P320 is that a hammered

model?

>> Yes.

>> Okay. So, it's not a striker fire.

>> No, wait a minute. No, no, it is a

striker fire. It's Let's Well, let's

let's pull Let's pull Let's pull it up

cuz I'm not I know the 365 is built very

differently. The the 320 breaks cleaner,

>> but

>> I thought the 320 had a hammer was

double action and single action. And

then I I

>> You might be right.

>> I didn't think it was a striker fire.

Most of the P models are not striker

fires that I'm aware of. I could be

wrong.

>> Well, the 365 the P365 is definitely

different than the 320. Yeah,

>> they have a different striking

mechanisms. They're known for accidental

discharges.

>> Okay. Um I can't tell if that's a hammer

underneath the slide.

>> Well, let's um just just What is this?

What is the trigger mechanism of a Sig

P320? Put that in there. And what is it

that makes it prone to accidental

discharges? If you look up SIG P320

online in any search engine, accidental

discharge comes up very quickly.

>> Oh, it is striker fired. Yeah. Okay.

Okay.

>> So, it's a modular striker fire trigger

mechanism. Uh when pressed, trigger bar

moves forward, disengage the safety

lever in sear releasing the striker.

Okay. So, it's a striker fired pistols.

Okay. Got it.

>> So, as of uh 2017,

SIG changed the way they make their guns

because the trigger itself was heavier

than what it is now. And not just the

pull, but the actual mechanism of the

trigger was heavier if you drop it. So,

if uh this is the barrel of the gun

where the bullet comes out and this is

where you're holding on your hand, if

you drop it, it'll it'll discharge and

it'll discharge without rot without

moving the slide, which is kind of crazy

because what happens is something in the

dropping it on the back where the handle

is,

>> releases the disconnector probably.

>> It causes that heavier trigger, the

heavier weight to the trigger to drop

down and it will discharge.

>> Okay. Uh, as of 2017, they made the

trigger lighter and it doesn't do that

anymore. And there's a whole YouTube

video where this guy explains it and

shows that you can do it with the older

models. If you drop them, if you drop

them on their side, they don't do it. If

you drop them barrel first, they don't

do it. But if you drop them handle first

and it hits the the back where you hold

it, where the, you know, the the the

what is it called? The beaver tail gun

>> sits where the internal hammer f drops

and bang.

>> Exactly. And it's one of the only guns

that does that. Yeah.

>> And uh so much so that I believe you

should search this. I believe the Dallas

Police Department stopped uh issuing

them to their officers. See if that's

true

before I go further because I don't I

don't want to get into any legal weeds

here. But I have one. I have a 320. I've

never had a problem with it. Uh I Here

it is. Dallas police suspends use of

pistol manufacturer. Okay. Yeah. And

it's because of that. So, um,

>> what are these chambered in? 940.

>> It's nine.

>> Nine.

>> They're nines. But the, um, so that's

the gun this guy has.

>> Mhm.

>> So, when this CBP officer grabs his gun,

he's moving off and it appears, it's

very grainy the video. It appears

there's an accidental discharge.

Now, you can make an accidental

discharge of this gun without touching

the trigger. If there's any kind of

pressure on the trigger, if it is a

modified trigger, if there's anything

that engages with it, even even a slight

amount and you move the slide

>> at all, that gun will go off. And

there's videos of it online. You could

find videos online. See if you can find

videos of it online where a guy shows

how you can get that gun to to negligent

discharge because it will. It will, at

least the pre 2017 model. Um,

>> I don't I didn't see his hand go on the

slide of the gun, though.

>> Yeah. Well, he's holding it in a It's

the hard thing is it's [ __ ]

>> Yeah, you can't see. I looked at it from

both angles, but it looked to me like he

was holding it um by the handle with no

finger on the trigger. But it does seem

>> like, at least in some of the takes that

I've seen, I may be wrong, but it seems

like that gun might have negligent

discharged. Now,

>> usually when someone's holding a gun and

there's a negligent discharge, it's

because they they pulled the trigger,

right?

>> Right.

>> So, in this case, let's I'm I mean, I'm

going to assume it for a second. So, the

gun drops on the side, striker fired.

Let's say it's I don't know what the

mechanism is. Well, let's say the

disconnector that makes the disconnector

go. The hammer drops, bam, hits the

primer, gun fires.

>> Gun fires, hits the ground. These guys

think they hear gun. These guys think

this guy might have a gun in the

scramble. They don't know. This is all

second high pressure. They opened fire

on him.

>> That's what I believe happened, you

know. So when people say, "Oh, they

straight up executed this guy.

>> Think you better. It there's a little

more nuance there.

>> There's more nuance to it. There's

chaos. There's the fog of chaos. You're

in the middle of this like very high

stress situation where you've already

pepper- sprrayed this guy. Now you're in

a physical scramble. Someone says he has

a gun. Gun goes off. Bang bang bang.

You're just shooting." Mhm.

>> I'm assuming this is just a lot of, you

know, a lot of guess,

>> but that's a lot of bad stuff that has