I Tested 100,000 People's DNA. This Diet Will Kill You - Gary Brecka
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No one really tells people that have
anxiety what it is. And this is why very
often people don't have a specific
trigger they can point to. So, they're
trying to pin it on their outside
environment, but the truth is that they
are deficient. Usually in
Gary Brecka.
He's a human biologist.
Who spent 20 years working in life
insurance predicting when people are
going to die to the nearest month.
And now he's on a mission to extend your
life. A couple of days ago someone did a
swab inside of my mouth. What was that
test and why did I do it? You did it to
look at whether your parents gave you a
gene mutation. And it's one of the most
overlooked things in all of modern
medicine because it's this deficiency
that leads to some of the most common
elements that we suffer from. Mental
illness, ADHD, OCD, manic depression,
bipolar, sleep disorders, very severe
gut issues. I mean, there are so many
that don't seem to be fixable with
conventional therapies or dietary
changes because very often disease is
not happening to us, it's happening
within us. And I'm not going to stop
getting the message out to the masses
because
I just think about all the times I could
have
made a real material change in
somebody's life and I didn't have the
opportunity to do it and felt like I was
you know, sitting behind a thick glass
wall just watching blind people walk
into traffic.
Now I got a chance to make a difference.
So, what are like the simple things that
we can be doing to prevent us even
getting these chronic diseases? So,
there's five things that I would commit
to doing on a regular basis. Number one
is upon waking, I would
I wanted to invite in Dr. Carrie Saida
who's going to give me those results of
my test. I want to know there's any sort
of health implications that I should be
aware of. Okay.
So, that right there is an issue.
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Gary.
Steven. Good to see you back.
Don't throw me off. It's good to have
you I was saying
I knew I'd do your game off there.
Steven.
Great to be back, man. It really is.
If someone's just clicked on this
podcast
and they're wondering why they should
stay and listen. You're going to direct
the conversation. I'm going to go where
you want to go. I'm going to follow my
curiosity and ask questions. But what
are they going to get from this
conversation today if you are at the
driving wheel?
I'm just data on how to live a
healthier, happier, longer life and
maybe answers to some of the most um
pesky health related challenges that
they're having and I and when I say
pesky health related challenges, I mean,
everybody has these little tiny anchors
off their stern, right? Weight gain,
water retention, brain fog, lack of
focus and concentration, poor waking
energy, lack of deep sleep.
And it's shocking how many of these
conditions have
a common repository. I mean, they like
the hub of the wheel where they all
meet. All these individual spokes to
come together to common hub of
methylation. And they and and
methylation is essentially nutrient
deficiencies in the human body.
And
I don't usually start off with this
analogy, but I'll start off with an
analogy.
Um when I was in grad school, first of
all, I'm a human biologist. I'm not a
physician. I My undergraduate degrees
are in biology. My post-graduate degrees
are in human biology.
But when I was in my second four years
of of grad school getting human biology
degree, I had to I had to take all these
plant botany courses,
which I hated cuz I was like I wanted to
study like anatomy and physiology in
human beings, but I'm studying algae and
and but the one thing that stood out to
me about plant physiology was
let's say you have a a palm leaf that's
rotting in a palm tree and you call a
true arborist, a true botanist out to
your house
and they see that that leaf is rotting
in the tree. They won't touch that leaf.
They will core test the soil.
And then they'll say, "You know what,
Steven, there's no nitrogen in the
soil." And they'll add nitrogen to the
soil and the leaf will heal.
Only we've stopped thinking about human
beings this way. We've lost a lot of
faith in humanity and mankind, the
body's ability for this to heal this.
And we believe very often, and this is
true in some cases, that disease and
pathology are happening to us,
not something that happens within us.
And if you go back to the tree analogy,
you know, you could put it anything you
wanted on that soil, right? You could
supplement for the sake of
supplementing. And I think a lot of
people get lost in this realm where
well, I heard NMN is good and
resveratrol is good and CoQ10 and St.
John's Wort and ashwagandha and vitamin
C and I should take a multivitamin and
you know, and pretty soon you have this
paralysis of analysis because you're
supplementing for the sake of
supplementing.
And in the tree's case, if you didn't
find the nitrogen, the leaf never would
have healed. And and the reason why most
of us supplement for the sake of
supplementing is that we don't have
data. We just don't get data on our
bodies. You know, when when when I bring
and you you run into a lot of a lot more
young entrepreneurs than I do, but when
I run into them and I'll bring them up
sometimes when I'm doing a stage talk
and you can question them um about their
priorities. Like, what's the most
important thing to you? My health. Um
how important is health to you? Oh, it's
the number one priority I have. And I
say, well, come come on up here and
let's let's talk about, you know, how
much you're you're prioritizing your
health and you say, um you know, what
kind of business do you have? A
marketing agency. What does your
business earn on a monthly basis?
$148,000
a month. What's your net income? $38,250
a month. How many employees do you have?
16.
What's your hemoglobin A1C?
Blank.
Right? Where are your testosterone
levels?
Um how about your triglycerides?
Do you ever look at your C-reactive
protein? And their face is just blank.
And we have more data on our businesses
than we do on our temple.
And you know, I I I actually saw you on
a stage talk, I believe it was. Um
and you talked about how you could take
anything away from me in my life. You
know, you you you referred to your dog
and your girlfriend.
Yeah. So,
hopefully you still have the dog and the
girlfriend, but Yeah. you said, you
know, if you took my girlfriend away,
you took my dog away. I don't want I
don't want to get you in a fight with
your girlfriend. So, let's talk about
the dog. So, you took my dog away, I'd
still have my business. I still have my
life, right? But if you took away my
health,
I'd lose everything.
Right? And I think most of us don't
realize the importance of it until it is
taken away. And so, recognizing that
that the temple is the most important
vehicle that we have,
I just really encourage people to get
data, basic data on their body so they
have some kind of road map so they are
supplementing for deficiency, not just
the sake of of of supplementing and that
they're getting the most out of their
body because that's what they're going
to get That's how they're going to get
the most out of their business.
You know what I mean? Just
picking up these little tiny anchors
that are nibbling away at productivity.
You know, people that suffer from ADD
and ADHD don't really realize that
ADD and ADHD very often are not
attention deficit disorders or attention
deficit hyperactivity disorders. They're
actually attention overload disorders.
And we characterize people that have ADD
as as not being able to pay attention,
but the truth is they they don't lack
the ability to pay attention. They lack
the ability to pay attention to so many
things.
And if we understand that this is an
overactive mind,
not a mind that's trying to pay
attention to too many uh too many
things, then
we can go about quieting the mind and
not stimulating the central nervous
system to match that pace of the mind,
which is kind of what Adderall and
Five-Ams and and um
uh amphetamines do when you when you you
when you take them for ADD and ADHD. So,
if we understood that
as normal or as good as we think we
feel, we have no idea how good normal
feels until we find the missing raw
material in our body and we put it back.
You want to see magic happen in human
beings?
Find the raw material that's missing and
put it back in their body. And by raw
material, I mean simple things. You
know, I mean, depending on who you talk
to, there's 72 minerals. I think 16 of
those are essential minerals. There are
there are two essential fatty acids.
There are eight essential amino acids.
It is astounding how many people are
clinically deficient in some of those
basics.
And then they go searching in all of the
esoteric super supplements and red light
therapy and and NAD boosting supplements
and they're actually just missing that
one of those raw materials. Basic
essential amino acids, basic fatty
acids, and basic minerals. And that's
where all human beings should start. And
then from there, we should do some
testing, biomarkers in the blood. In my
opinion, every human being should do a
genetic methylation test, the very same
test that you did.
Whether they do it through me or not, a
genetic methylation test is a test
you'll do once in your lifetime and it
will tell you exactly what raw materials
your body can convert into the usable
form and what it can't.
Because in human beings, just like in
that tree analogy, when you have a
deficiency, you get the expression of
disease.
You know, when we say you talk about
deficiencies,
Mhm. it brings me back to something that
I think we talked about briefly last
time, which is it makes me feel like
humans are being born broken.
Is that true? Because if I've got if I'm
deficient in something that my body
needs, then does that not mean that my
body was born broken? It's not that it's
born broken, it's just not functioning
optimally, right? And and all of us have
um
genetic snips. We have these that are
called single nucleotide polymorphisms.
We have these
um our genes which are coding for
enzymes to conduct these different
activities in the body. And what is
astounding about human beings is is how
beautifully intricate the human body is.
We take one raw material, we put it into
a physiological process, and then we
take the waste product from that
process and we feed another process and
on and on. So, for example, we'll take
um folate from green leafy vegetables.
We'll convert that into methylfolate.
Methylfolate becomes one of the most
prevalent nutrients in the human body.
It helps to downregulate an inflammatory
amino acid called homocysteine, which
then turns into something called
methionine, which then goes up to the
brain and helps to quiet the mind. So,
you start with this green leafy
vegetable and it winds its way all the
way up to helping you sleep. And it's
not that the spinach leaf is helping you
sleep, it's what the spinach leaf has
become that's helping you sleep. And
this sequence of events is called
methylation.
And what's astounding about methylation
is that
in many cases when it's broken,
while we can't fix the gene, we can just
supplement for its function.
So, the most common gene mutation in the
world, which we talked about last time
on your podcast, MTHFR,
affectionately called the [Â __Â ]
gene, um 44% of the population has this
gene mutation. I talk about it all the
time and it's a simple inability to to
to to convert folic acid and its
derivatives um folate into the usable
form called methylfolate. Well, it's
very easy to supplement with
methylfolate and very inexpensive, I
might add, to supplement with
methylfolate. And deficiencies in
methylfolate are are linked to all kinds
of conditions, including neural tube
defects, because it's not folic acid
that prevents neural tube defects, it's
methylfolate that prevents neural tube
defects. It's what the body converts it
into, the usable form. And so, when we
look at um
methylation in the human body, we get an
exact roadmap of what we need to
supplement with, so that we're not
wandering around just supplementing for
the sake of just supplementing.
You mentioned the entrepreneurs that you
meet that you bring up on stage and you
ask them various questions and then you
ask them about sort of biomarkers in
their body. What are the simple
biomarkers you think that everyone needs
to understand because listen, I'm not a
chemist, I'm not going to be a
biologist. So, if there's a couple of
them, I can probably get my head around
them and stay on top of them, but I
can't stay on top of everything. Yeah,
so there there's I would say three.
Okay. Number one is um what's called
glycemic profile, which is a a check of
how well your insulin and sugar
metabolism is. Yep. And it has three
markers, glucose,
hemoglobin A1C, 3-month average of your
blood sugar, and insulin.
So, definitely your glycemic profile,
because blood sugar, I promise you, is
the root of all evil. So, first I would
I would do your glycemic profile.
Second, I would do um
your hormones. Can I just check on the
glycemic profile? That's basically my
relationship with
sugar. That's your relationship with
sugar. And it's it's also your
relationship with insulin, because, you
know, very often even people that don't
eat high amounts of refined sugar and
Ben & Jerry's ice cream every night have
issues with insulin sensitivity.
And so, as insulin
rises, it causes a whole myriad of
conditions. It's one of the hallmarks of
something called metabolic syndrome,
which we're seeing in younger and
younger populations. And it's generally
easy to catch early on. You have three
markers that look at how well you're
regulating your blood sugar, glucose,
which is a measure of your the amount of
sugar in your blood right now,
hemoglobin A1C, which is essentially a
3-month average of your blood sugar, and
then you have your insulin.
And the higher your insulin relative to
your blood sugar, the more insulin
resistant you are, right? So, the more
insulin it takes to drop your blood
sugar, the more resistant you are to
insulin. This is an early warning sign
of metabolic syndrome.
But it's not just the metabolic
syndrome, it's that when insulin rises,
there's a whole downstream cascade of
events, because insulin's not just
responsible for helping us metabolize
sugar, it's also responsible for
blocking other forms of energy use in
the body, one of which is fatty acid
metabolism. And so, generally people
that have very high insulin have very
high blood triglycerides. They have high
blood fat.
And high blood fat and elevated
cholesterol are other markers for
cardiovascular disease. So, by actually
bringing down one biomarker, you have a
positive effect all the way downstream.
And I would say if you're only going to
look at three things, I would look at um
your glycemic profile, your your blood
sugar, and your insulin, and your
hemoglobin A1C.
Hormone panel.
Okay. Um so, looking at your hormones
and then specifically looking at what
contributes to healthy hormone
production, DHEA and a protein called
SHBG.
And then I would look at basic nutrient
deficiencies,
um vitamin D3, magnesium, potassium, and
um vitamin B12, which are on most blood
panels. And that is a great place to
start to get the basics. How am I
regulating my blood sugar? Are my
hormones balanced? What nutrient
deficiencies do I have? And then the
second piece of information I would get,
which you only do once in your entire
lifetime, is is a methylation test. And
these are these are widely available,
you know, all over the world. I'm sure
they're very easy to get in the UK. And
you want to look at five genes, MTHFR,
MTR, MTRR,
AHCY,
and COMT. And just to be clear, so I I
can dumb this down for myself here,
those five genes
relate to how my body processes the
things I put into it at different stages
in that sort of processing line. Yes, I
mean, to to take for example that gene
at the top, COMT.
Um if you look at what COMT does, it
stands for catechol-O-methyltransferase.
So, it's a fancy way of saying it
transfers a methyl group from the
category of neurotransmitters called
catecholamines. And that's a huge
mouthful, but essentially what this
means is these four neurotransmitters
that are called catecholamines are
responsible for our fight-or-flight
response. So, for example, if you drove
home tonight and you got out of your car
and somebody was standing in front of
you with a knife. Mhm. Right? You would
instantly have a fight-or-flight
response. Your pupils would dilate, your
heart rate would increase, your
extremities would flood with blood. You
would begin to have a fight-or-flight
response based on that stimulus. But you
could also be laying in your bed at
night
and you could start thinking about
getting eaten by a shark.
And you could have the exact same
response,
because the brain doesn't really know
the difference between perception and
reality. The the similarity between
these two events, a very real fear and a
reaction to it, and an imagined fear, is
they both meet at
catecholamines. It's a rise in the same
class of neurotransmitters.
So, now some people are very slow to
break these down. And what are the
consequences of this? Well, if you've
ever had anxiety or know somebody that's
suffered from anxiety, no one really
tells people that have anxiety what it
is. They describe the feeling. So, they
say it's a fear of the future. It's
it's a sense of impending doom. It's a
sense of anxiousness.
But what is it? Physiologically, what's
going on in the body? Well, very often
it is a rise in catecholamines, the same
class of neurotransmitters that are that
are involved in a fight-or-flight
response. And this is why very often
people that suffer from anxiety don't
have a specific trigger they can point
to. They could be on a podcast like you
and I are going doing right now, and all
of a sudden as those catecholamines
rise, they get that sensation of
anxiety. And they're trying to pin it on
their outside environment. They're
trying to look for a cluster of symptoms
outside their body. But this is because
they are deficient, usually, in a
complex of B vitamins, um a very
specific form of B12 called
methylcobalamin, methylfolate, these
methylated nutrients that that
downregulate these catecholamines. What
else could it be?
Well, I mean, there are true anxiety
disorders, right? Um and generally
people that have true anxiety actually
know what the trigger is. They're afraid
of heights, they walk to the edge of a
30th floor balcony, they have an anxiety
um attack. They have a fear of flights.
Is this different from So, someone's
been through a trauma in their life, say
they had an early trauma, and then
certain things in their adult life end
up triggering that. Mhm.
This is that's very different from what
you're saying here. So, some people that
have trauma and they wake up, for
example, consistently in the past,
right? Their first thought of the day is
about the pain that they are already
suffering from. Well, these thoughts,
fight-or-flight thoughts, these these
thoughts have a tendency to be
worst-case scenario, because they are
also highly related to catecholamines.
In fact, people that have that gene
mutation fall into one of two
categories. Think about it this way. If
catecholamines rise very fast,
you're a worrier. And the nickname for
that gene is either a worrier or a
warrior,
because as those catecholamines, they
call it fast COMT or slow COMT. So, just
looking at this one gene mutation, if
you're slow to break these
catecholamines down and they rise, what
are the consequences of that? Um I lay
down to go to sleep at night and I'm
body tired, but I'm mind awake. Right?
My mind is just clicking through the
day, thinking about the most innocuous
little thoughts.
Um I have a tendency when I consider
scenarios to go straight to worst-case
scenario. I'm an overthinker. Um I I am
prone to anxiousness and anxiety. I walk
around at a six instead of walking
around at a two. So, things that would
only move somebody from a zero to a two
take me from a six to an eight. Very
often people in their surrounding
environment will say the punishment
doesn't fit the crime, the way that they
react to certain situations. So, this
means that the mind is in awakened
state, a heightened state of alertness.
Think about a fight-or-flight response,
but not quite to that level, but they're
in a heightened state of alertness.
And this gives you that that feeling of
anxiety. Now, what's driving the
catecholamines can have different
drivers. It could be this gene mutation,
it could be trauma, it could be the
presence of a real fear, could be that
you're claustrophobic in stepping on a
crowded elevator. But for people that
have not isolated trauma in their life,
they have a tendency to consider worst
case scenario. They find that their mind
is very active at night, interrupts
their sleep. Or if they get up to go to
sleep at night and they go back to bed
and they can't fall asleep because their
mind is awake thinking about the most
innocuous little thoughts. They have a
tendency to be anxious. They have a
tendency to be a warrior. They have a
tendency to have feelings of anxiety
that are not tied to their outside
environment. Those are all hallmarks of
that gene mutation.
So can I view this as a predisposition?
I you know, I often wonder why we can
all be in the same situation, but we can
have entirely different experiences.
In the case of anxiety, some people as
you report just for some reason they're
just more anxious in the in the modern
world than some other people are. The
modern world has changed. We use screens
and we have notifications. We have all
this stimuli. They're struggling more in
the modern world than others. Um
What you're suggesting is that they
could have a predisposition
to
worry more because of these
catecholamines? Because of the
catecholamines, yes. Because of these
catecholamines, norepinephrine,
epinephrine, ephedrone, dopamine. One of
those we can also call adrenaline. And
so you have the main driver of behavior
and you have catecholamines. And we all
know what adrenaline does in the body.
So when these four neurotransmitters are
not down regulated,
right? Then our mind is awake and it is
very often fearful. Think about somebody
who has a sensation of impending doom or
anxiety without any any trigger. And and
and the other hallmark is they will have
had it on and off throughout their
entire lifetime. Even when they were a
child. When they were a child, they
might not have understood the complex
sensation of anxiety, but they had that
sensation. And then as they grew to be
an adult, they understood that this is
anxiety. I mean, when you when you're
when you're a child, you're just
fearful, right? I mean, you don't know
how to explain to your mom, "Hey, I'm
worried about something that is
might happen in the future, that's
probably not likely to happen, that's
never happened, but I'm still afraid
it's going to happen." It's a very
complex emotion, right? So
they've had it on and off their entire
lifetime. It's very hard for them to
point to the specific trigger that
causes it. The majority of the time if
they try to anti-anxiety medications,
they don't work. They just make them
feel like a zombie. So this is time to
look inside and make sure the body has
the raw material it needs to do its job,
which is the complex of B vitamins to
dismantle catecholamines. So if we went
out into the street now and I pulled in
a hundred people just off the street
that were walking past, Mhm. and we did
these three tests on them to look at
their glycemic profile, their hormone
panel, their nutrient deficiencies,
what are some of the most popular things
that
a random group of people off the street
would be missing that are central to
their high performance? Um so
let's let's take men and then we'll take
women so so we can be specific about
hormones. So
in 50% of that population, you would see
a clinical deficiency in vitamin D3. I
have to say you've actually you actually
run a lot of tests every single month.
Yes. Tens of thousands. We run 20,000 a
month. We do about 20,000 gene tests a
month. I mean, so we so one of the
unique things about
the perspective that I come from is we
have voluminous amounts of data. You
know, we see
20,000 of these new
um
patients a a month testing for for
genetic methylation. And on a lot of
these patients, we also have blood work.
So we have a full what's called a CBC,
comprehensive metabolic panel, lipid
panel, hormone profile, a full thyroid
panel. We have their nutrient
deficiencies that I'm speaking of. Um we
have cholesterol, triglycerides. So we
have a pretty We have about 74
biomarkers on them. Then we also get
this genetic test. And then we look at
what happens to certain biomarkers on
average when you when you simply
supplement for a deficiency. So for
example, I'm not saying that every
person that has high blood pressure or
hypertension has this gene mutation, but
two of these genes are highly linked to
poor homocysteine metabolism. And there
have been plenty of peer-reviewed
studies. We can put the link to the one
below in the Journal of Hypertension,
which linked higher levels of urinary
catecholamines to an and urinary
homocysteine to
cardiovascular disease. Because what
happens is when you have a certain amino
acid in particular rise in the blood
called homocysteine.
As this amino acid rises, it has a
tendency to cause the vascular system to
constrict.
And if we make the pipes smaller in a
fixed system, pressure goes up. But
there's nothing wrong with the heart.
Right? And so think about the fact that
85% of all diagnosis of hypertension is
idiopathic. It's of unknown origin.
Well, of unknown origin means we can't
find anything wrong with the heart.
We've tested the heart, EKGs, EEGs,
stress tests,
dye contrast studies, cardiac cath, what
have you. But we we haven't looked at
the vascular system. We haven't looked
to see was there a simple nutrient
deficiency keeping this person from
breaking down homocysteine, which caused
the vascular system to constrict?
Because we know that there's a
correlation between this
amino acid homocysteine and its elevated
nature and and increased risk of
cardiovascular disease. So before we
actually went the routes of chemicals
and synthetics and pharmaceuticals, why
wouldn't we just test to see see if we
have an issue
um dismantling this amino acid, you
know, breaking this amino acid down into
or something called methionine.
And why don't we supplement for that
deficiency and see if by putting that
raw material back into the body and
bringing homocysteine metabolism into
normal, we can normalize this person. So
So back to your question about the
people in the street, you would see that
50% of them are clinically deficient in
vitamin D3, cholecalciferol, you know,
the sunshine vitamin. Um the darker
their complexion, the higher the
uh risk that they would be clinically
deficient in vitamin D3. And if if you
put that vitamin D3 at the center of a
hub of a wheel and looked at all of the
different spokes, it's one of the only
vitamins that human beings make on our
own. I have argued and and um people
have counter-argued, but I take the
position that it's arguably one of the
most if not the most important nutrient
in the human body. You need all You need
a lot of essential nutrients, but if you
really start isolating them, you know,
vitamin D3 is the only vitamin that
human beings make on our own. Um every
cell in the body has a receptor site for
vitamin D3. And when we're deficient in
this vitamin,
um this nutrient acts like a hormone
sometimes, it acts like a vitamin other
times. We make it from sunlight and
cholesterol. When it's deficient, we
have a compromised immune system. We
know that it leads to osteopenia,
osteoporosis. There are all kinds of
consequences that you wouldn't think
stem from a simple nutrient deficiency,
but they do. One that we get from going
outside in the sun. We get it from going
outside in the sun. We make it from
sunlight and cholesterol. Um and and you
know, if you look at you know, COVID
statistics, it was the second leading
cause of morbidity in COVID. Um and so
you if So first you would see that
they're D3 deficient. The majority of
them are also B12 deficient. If you look
at the vitamin B12, you'd see it's less
than 500.
Um the higher end of B12 is around 1250.
And then you would see
25 to 40% of that population would be
hormone deficient, meaning that their
hormones would be out of the optimal
range, but not because
they have an endocrine system issue per
se, generally because they have
especially in younger ages
nutrient deficiencies. Things like
elevated SHBG, sex hormone binding
globulin, deficiencies in DHEA, raw
materials that the body needs to
manufacture hormones. So a good hormone
panel will tell you not only what your
hormone levels are, but what some of the
nutrients are that are your body's using
to make those hormones. And again, by by
putting some of these raw materials,
very often DHEA, not all the time, but
very often putting DHEA and vitamin D3
alone back into men with deficient
levels of testosterone or deficient
levels of free testosterone or looking
at a protein that interrupts the
conversion of testosterone into free
testosterone called SHBG, by actually
just addressing these, you see that the
hormone levels rise back to the normal
range. They don't need to take hormones
from outside the body and shut their
production down. They need to put
nutrients and raw materials back into
the body so their body can produce
hormones on their own. And then if you
looked at at their glycemic control, you
would see a shockingly high
percentage of people that are
pre-diabetic.
It is an absolute pandemic right now
because the amount of processed foods we
we think that the pre-diabetes
um you know, is only because people that
are eating a ton of sugar. So they must
be drinking soda and eating chocolate
cake and Ben & Jerry's every night, but
that's actually not true. When we
overload the body with high glycemic
carbohydrates, even if they ate a lot of
white flour, white rice, white bread,
white pasta, white potatoes and fruit,
you know, they I'm not saying any of
those things are going to kill you, but
when we eat diets high in refined
carbohydrates, even things that we don't
consider to be sweets, it overpowers our
pancreas and our blood sugar gets out of
control. But wouldn't you want to know
that? Wouldn't you want to know that
um do I have some of these nutrient
deficiencies or hormone imbalances or
poor blood sugar control that could be
nibbling away at my performance? Am I
maybe one raw material, one methylated
multivitamin away or an amino acid away
from being in a state of being optimal?
Maybe even not having to deal with
little things like
um intermittent feelings of anxiousness
and anxiety or poor focus and
concentration or even mild states of
mood numbness. Remember that
nutrients,
amino acids for example,
in our gut become neurotransmitters.
Neurotransmitters form the basis of all
mood. They drive our emotion. They they
um they govern our behavior.
And so is it possible that an amino acid
like tryptophan or phenylalanine or
tyrosine, which becomes serotonin and
dopamine, that deficiencies in these
amino acids could lead to deficiencies
in hormones, which could actually lead
to deficiencies in neurotransmitters
that would be labeled a mental illness.
Yes.
So
again, I feel I feel like I'm eating
your face a little bit, but
but what I what I really mean to say is
that
you know, if
if we would get basic information, basic
data on the body, hormone balance,
um glycemic control, nutrient
deficiencies, if we would actually look
at what our body can convert into the
usable form and what it can't and
supplement for that deficiency,
you would see your body begin to thrive
in ways you never thought possible.
You work with a lot of high-profile
individuals as well. I do. What are some
of the high-profile names that you're
you have permission to share?
Well, clearly anyone that's shared their
their journey with me on on on the
podcast. Um
there's a great hit piece on me and in
the Daily Mail that listed I listed a
lot of them. Um but uh Dana White, um
Steve Harvey, uh Stephen A. Smith, um
Steve Aoki,
um
Kendall Jenner and and I were on a uh
one of her Hulu specials
uh together running some IVs. There are
a few others that will be
public here very shortly that have gone
on podcasts with me and I and it's I
don't necessarily want to be known as
like a celebrity biologist or working
with um just working with professional
athletes and A-listers. It's my message
is for
is actually for the non-woke biohacker.
Like I don't feel like my job is to sit
here and impress you with how smart I
am. I feel like my job is to put
information out to the masses that that
is
educational enough to inspire them to
make a change.
And and I think
all too often we you know, we're we're
we're all competing for eyeballs in this
in this space and we're trying to become
the biggest influencer and we we really
forget about the mission of speaking to
the masses and we just start speaking to
each other. Like we we want to get on
podcasts and stage talks and interviews
and impress people with how much we know
about the carboxylic acid cycle or you
know, electron transport chain or
something going on inside of the
mitochondria and and those minute
nuances are not what's going to impact
humanity.
A lot has changed since we last sat down
in your life.
It has. Yeah, it really has. I feel like
I feel like I live somebody else's life.
I really do. What's what's changed? I
mean, when I when I first reached out to
you, it was because I saw a clip on
YouTube which had 20,000 views. And that
clip on YouTube I found really
interesting. So I think I I personally
sent you a DM and said, "Hey, Gary, do
you want to come on my show?" which I,
to be honest,
never personally send a DM. Because
Yeah, because my team the way our system
works here is
the um they understand what I'm
interested in and curious about right
now. So they'll go out into the market
and try and find people for me. They'll
bring those people those people to me as
a pitch. They'll pitch the individuals
to me and then I have the say whether
I'm curious enough to sit down and have
the conversation right now.
it twice. All right. Yeah.
So in this case it was I I'd seen
something you'd you'd done online, I
don't know, more than a year ago now it
feels like and it was really compelling
to me. So I wanted to sit down with you.
Since then I've observed you're you've
kind of had this sort of meteoric rise
um on loads of different podcasts and
social media and your business has
exploded.
There is something different about you.
Mhm.
And the thing that's different about you
that strikes me is
you strike me as a man that has been
through some [Â __Â ] Oh, yeah. Frankly.
Yeah. Cuz cuz the
the Gary that I met the first time
versus this Gary slightly different and
it's the type of thing when someone's
been through some [Â __Â ]
Mhm.
And with all good things come the
opposite. Yeah. It's unavoidable.
Yeah, I mean you you you you go under a
level of scrutiny, you know, you start
off you're like so excited, you're like
I'm going to get the message out and God
God's blessed me with the ability to
take ultra-complicated information,
distill it down and get it to the masses
and then you realize that there are
people that are watching your videos
like a 3-hour podcast and they're
looking for the one gotcha moment.
Right, he said sodium chloride, not
sodium hydroxide. Scam artist,
charlatan, you know, he pretends to be a
doctor, he's not a doctor. I've never
pretended to be a doctor. You will not
find a a video, a stage talk, a podcast,
anything in the media where I've ever
represented that I'm a doctor. I go out
of my way to say that I'm not licensed
to practice medicine. So yeah, I have
become a little more gun-shy and a
little more guarded
um with what I say. It's an effort to be
more precise with what I'm saying. Um
but I'm not going to stop getting the
message out to the masses because
I know that this is God's calling for
me.
I know that.
Because I spent so many years of my life
not in service to humanity.
And I think a lot of people find
their purpose in their pleasure and I
found my purpose from my pain.
What pain?
You know, when when um
when I was doing
life expectancies and and and mortality
predictions,
um
we were sort of brainwashed to believe
that this was just data.
Right? You weren't responsible for it.
You didn't have anything
to do with this person.
I was on a mortality team and uh we were
charged with predicting the life
expectancy of people for um large life
insurance and investment companies.
So when you apply for a large life
insurance com policy, you know,
everybody's on an actuarial curve.
Right? So you're on one, I'm on one,
everybody listening this podcast is on
an actuarial curve. What happens is
when a life insurance company is getting
ready to put 10 million or 20 million or
50 million dollars worth of risk on your
life,
only one thing matters.
How many more months do you have left on
Earth?
And
the science of predicting that
mortality is a very accurate science. I
get a lot of flak about it, but if you
want to know how accurate life insurance
companies are at predicting death,
just look at what happened during the
2008-2009 financial services crisis.
We had
we had 364 banks fail. Not a single life
insurance company failed. A valid death
claim in the United States has never
failed to have been paid. They are some
of the most solvent institutions in the
world. There's not another financial
services enterprise anywhere on the
planet that would take that level of
risk on one variable.
I mean, you have an investment fund.
You wouldn't put that level of risk on a
single variable. Right? How many more
months does this person have left on
Earth? And they have data that no other
medical enterprise has. They have data
that no other collegiate university has.
Not even the government has. They know
the day, the date, the time, the
location, and the cause of death
for millions and millions of lives. So
they know what leads to early mortality.
And so How do they get your sort of
health biomarkers to overlap that with?
Well, first of all, they they do a blood
test on you. So if you've ever had a
large life I'm not talking about term
life insurance where you get a hundred
thousand dollar two hundred thousand or
even a million dollar term life
insurance policy. I'm talking about
permanent universal life or whole life
life insurance. Um also annuities. When
when you um there's something in in the
states called a a SPIA, single premium
immediate annuity where you give the
insurance company, for example, a check
for a million dollars.
They guarantee you an income stream for
life.
Well, how do you think they're
determining that income stream?
They They're predicting how many more
months you have left on Earth. And they
they use morbidity factors and
comorbidity factors and yes, they factor
into to your your recreational profile,
your demographic profile. It's not as
simple as a blood test or a gene test,
but essentially what you do is you start
on a curve in a pool of a thousand lives
that are similar to yours.
And and your life expectancy is the dead
center of that curve. So if your life
expectancy is 200 months, that means in
200 months you have the exact same
chance of being dead as you do of being
alive.
Now, what determines your increased
probability of death or your mortality
factors? Are you obese, diabetic,
anemic? Do you have cognitive decline?
Are you compliant with your medication?
You know, there are all of these
different debits.
And then there are certain debits that
we called comorbidities.
Right? So if you were hypertensive, that
was a debit. If you were if you were
diabetic, that was a debit. If you were
um obese, that was a deb- debit. But if
you were hypertensive, diabetic,
and obese,
it wasn't 1 + 1 + 1, it was 1 + 1 + 1 =
10. Right? These were massive
comorbidity factors.
My job was to read the medical record
and do the medical record extraction.
And we had
incredible data on on on these people.
You saw their trust um you saw their
wills, their trusts, their divorce
decrees. You knew that they were
treating their children differently in
their in their estate, um bank accounts,
brokerage accounts, tax returns, um and
their medical records. And you have
recent blood work on them. But when you
read a medical record on somebody,
there's more than just their height,
weight, and blood pressure and the
medications that they're on. You really
start to get a profile for a lot for the
for the person.
And a lot of times I felt like I was
really getting to know these people,
oddly, because I had so much personal
information on them.
And
you know, a lot of these people's
came alive to me.
I know that sounds very strange, but
when you're reading about
their repeated, you know, visits to the
doctor and they're constantly talking
about, you know, their grandchildren and
then all of a sudden you see in the
medical record where the husband passed
away and then you see the
antidepressants creeping in and you see
um their their weight change, their body
mass index change and you you actually
as you're going through years of their
medical record, you really get a real
profile for them.
And I started to
realize that there were human beings on
the other side of these spreadsheets.
And
there were cases where
I knew that if I could have picked up
the phone and just contacted that
patient,
I could have completely changed the
trajectory of their life.
And I was prohibited from doing so by
law. And
even at one point in my career, I was
threatened with prosecution for
threatening to call a patient and warn
them about um a a
a life-threatening potential
life-threatening drug interaction that
I'd spotted in the medical record
between
two physicians that had written
contraindicated scripts in something
called the MIB, the Medical Information
Bureau, hadn't
uh picked it up. And
the data that I had said that this was
going to lead to a thrombolytic event,
like a plugged a blood clot, a stroke,
you know, a heart attack, an embolism.
And um I remember
calling the human resources director and
just, you know, basically saying that
I'm going to contact this patient. And
and and being threatened with
prosecution. And I
I think about it a lot. And
I just think about all the times I could
have picked up the phone and just
made a real material change in
somebody's life. And I didn't have the
opportunity to do it. And
big part of my career felt like I was,
you know, sitting behind a thick glass
wall just watching blind people walk
into traffic.
And
so I wasn't in service to humanity. All
I wanted to do was be wealthy. I was
very unauthentic.
And then I just woke up one day and
said, "What the hell am I doing? I mean,
I
I have so much information. I'm a human
biologist. And I have
I I've been studying this database for
20 years.
I could help people live healthier,
happier, longer lives.
And
and I quit my career. And I went home
and told my
fiancée at the time, now my wife, that I
wanted to start a wellness firm.
And that was the the the genesis of of
my firm, Streamline. And part of the
trajectory that I'm on.
And so
It still sits with you?
Everyday.
Really? Oh, dude, it's it's
Well, it it sits with me in a good way
because
you know, whereas before
it's it's really hard to imagine, you
know, somebody coming into your office
and going, "Hey, you know, Gary, you
know, my god, remember the um
you know, the Mrs. Smith life expectancy
we we we did 13 years ago, you know, you
did this life expectancy was 188 months.
You predicted 188 months. She died in
184 months."
Oh my god, you did great job. It's
amazing.
The death claim just paid. And I'm like,
"Is it really amazing?"
You know, um
when you start to realize that was
somebody's, you know, it was like
somebody's sister or somebody's daughter
or somebody's mother,
you you you start to realize
that
I I allow myself to be brainwashed and
just think that it was data and and
forget that there was human beings on
the other side of the the spreadsheet.
And so now
I'm sorry, I'm getting emotional, but
but um
you know, now I wake up every day and I
look over my eyes and I go, "Fuck yeah,
you know, I got a chance to to make a
difference." And
and I talk about the research and and
the fact patterns that we saw in
predicting death. And I want to counter
those
so that we can extend life. Yeah, so we
can help people live longer, healthier,
happier lives.
So the
counter arguments that you've
experienced,
you know, you used the word counter
argument in hip hippies. What do those
sort of counter arguments tend to center
on as it relates to your work?
Obviously, you talked about the doctor
thing. I've definitely made some
mistakes, you know, I I I made a mistake
early in my career of of
quoting
articles and not and not research, which
I regret. And I and I've made the most
mistakes.
I think very often what I try to do is
is simplify the message. I talk, for
example, about a 2018 study. We should
put the link to this, um which was in
the journal of um
uh headaches and face pain. There's a
journal of headaches and face pain. I
want to say it was 2018.
There were 8,819 participants in this
meta-analysis. So a very large
um analysis.
And they found
a direct inverse relationship between
sodium intake and migraine headaches.
And meaning that as sodium levels went
up, migraine headaches went down.
Now, by no means am I telling everybody
that has a migraine headache that you
need to take a little bit of salt and
you're going to be fine.
What I'm saying is on your on your
comprehensive metabolic panel, you can
see your sodium level.
When your sodium level gets to a
critically low level, which believe it
or not quite a few people have, people
that regularly salt on their plate,
people that exercise and don't
remineralize with electrolytes, people
that drink um filtered bottled water in
an effort to filter out fluoride and
microplastics, but don't remineralize
their water, get nutrient deficient
sodium.
And you know, remembering that the brain
actually doesn't have any pain
receptors, but the covering of the brain
does. You know, something called the
dura.
And the dura hates two things. It hates
being stretched and hates being
contracted. And what what determines
whether or not it's stretching or
contracting is something called the
osmotic gradient, the movement of water
across the membrane.
And yes, it can be as simple as
supplementing with sodium. Um my
preference would be Baja Gold sea salt
or Celtic salt, um so that you get all
of the other trace minerals as well,
um to permanently put migraine headaches
in into remission. And then, you know,
out come all of the physicians saying
there's no evidence of that. Where are
the clinical trials on that? And the
other
the other
tool that I have in my chest is for 20
years I worked with one of the largest
databases in the world. And we're at the
point now where we see 20,000 new gene
tests a month. I don't know many clinics
that are that busy. So we have
voluminous amounts of data.
We see what happens when you have a high
homocysteine and you put them on you put
a patient on an amino acid called
trimethylglycine and the homocysteine
comes down. And then they go to their
doctor and their blood pressure is
normalized. Not once, not twice, not
anecdotally, thousands and thousands of
times. You see what happens to people
when you bring their hemoglobin A1c and
their insulin back down into the optimal
level and their triglycerides return to
normal and their risk for cardiovascular
disease declines. You see what happens
to C-reactive proteins when people take
simple things like silica clays um and
activated charcoals. And so
I want to keep getting the message out
that
very often disease is not happening to
us, it's happening within us. And very
often it's happening because
of deficiencies in the human body, not
pathology in the human body.
And you know, in in in in in the United
States we're we're by far the largest
spender of on health care. You know, we
spend 4 and 1/2 trillion dollars a year
on on health care in the US.
We have the highest infant mortality
rate. We have the highest maternal
mortality rate. Um even though we lead
the the world in flu vaccinations and
breast screen um and breast cancer
screening and colorectal screening, we
also lead the world in cancer. Um we're
ranked 52nd in life expectancy. We're
ranked 39th in in health care delivery.
Um we're one of the most obese nations
on the planet, twice the rate of obesity
of any other civilized um nation.
And yet modern medicine being
you know, medical error being the third
leading cause of death,
is where we're going to get information
on how we extend our life.
And I watched in medical records, I've
probably read thousands of times more
medical records than most physicians cuz
I read medical records all day, every
day, 6 days a week for for almost 20
years.
And I would see what would happen when
simple deficiencies would be mistaken
as a pathological condition. And I've
talked about these a lot. Um
you know, like clinical deficiencies in
in vitamin D3 for prolonged periods of
time eventually
present as rheumatoid arthritis-like
symptoms. People get joint aches and
pains and and stiff and sore ankles and
they have a hard time making a fist. And
and you know, when you're speaking to
the wrong physician, very often a doctor
will diagnose you based on your medical
history. Not before they do said rates
in rheumatoid arthritis, you know,
actual blood uh checks, they'll say,
"You know what, Stephen, you've got
rheumatoid arthritis." And they put you
on on things like corticosteroids. And
in the mortality space, we had data.
So we had data on all of these
pharmaceuticals. So we knew the
trajectory of of hormones and cell walls
and cell membranes and um production of
vitamin D3 when somebody took a statin
and reduced cholesterol. And we looked
at, you know, they the studies will look
at cholesterol in a complete vacuum. So
LDL cholesterol high, so that's bad.
Let's bring LDL cholesterol down with a
statin, so we decrease the risk of
cardiovascular disease. But then you
have a concomitant outcome where you
you're reducing the ability for the body
to make hormones and cell walls and cell
membranes. And so you buy yourself a
consequence downstream.
When really, if we go back to just
studying the physiology of the human
body, when we in in the mortality space,
I don't think I saw a single centenarian
once, and we processed hundreds of these
death claims. I don't think I saw a
single centenarian that at the time of
death did not have clinically elevated
levels of LDL cholesterol.
So begs the question, is
simply having high LDL cholesterol a
marker for
um longevity or is it a a marker for
cardiovascular disease that needs to be
intervened
with a chemical or a synthetic? And
and these corticosteroids that people
are put on, you know, very often they
they they're they're anti-inflammatory
in the beginning, but then they eat the
joint like a termite.
And
and so these were resulting in
voluminous amounts of joint replacements
so accurately that we would
we were able to predict that the course
of some of these medications would
result in a joint replacement in roughly
6 years.
And so we would artificially advance
people's age 6 years and we would
actually schedule the joint replacement
for them. And then we would reduce
what's called their ambulatory profile,
how well they ambulated, how well they
moved. And as we reduce their mobility,
we could bring in all of these diseases
that exacerbated with reduced mobility.
And in my mind, I'm just watching all
this happen and I wanted to call this
these people and say
I'm not qualified to do that cuz I'm not
licensed to practice medicine, but I I
wanted to call them and just say Mrs.
Jones, stop taking the corticosteroid.
Start supplementing vitamin D3. Get your
B12 level to here. Let's fix your
hormones because this is killing your
red blood cell count and this is what's
leading you to be so exhausted. And and
no one was looking at at these basic
nutrient deficiencies that we would see
run in blood work that would cause all
of these diseases to exacerbate and
people were succumbing much earlier
to death or to the loss of their health
span. How many records do you think you
saw in your time where you saw the full
picture?
I would be working on two or three of
these four of these cases at a time.
Some were shorter cases, some were
longer cases, thousands.
I mean thousands. And in the tail end of
my career, I started to manipulate the
um
record artificially just to see what
would happen to the life expectancy. I
would never submit that as a report, but
I would say, what if I fix the anemia?
What if I actually just corrected the D3
deficiency? What if um you know, I I and
I was able to
um take out the pre-diabetic condition
or reduce their hemoglobin A1C and you
would see the life expectancy jump.
Right? And so these are modifiable risk
factors and I think how many times you
know, I would be reading a medical
record and go, what? I know what this is
going to happen. This is just going to
get worse cuz this patient has anemia.
Like the classic treatment for some
anemias is folic acid, B12 and and iron.
And they would give them folic acid, B12
and iron and it wouldn't correct. Then
they give them folic acid, B12 and iron
and it wouldn't correct. Folic acid, B12
and iron wouldn't correct. And they
wouldn't realize that
um
that person can't process folic acid. If
they gave them methylfolate
methylcobalamin
and iron bisglycinate
the anemia would correct. But these are
all sort of symptoms of further upstream
issues, right? Like something that a
decision that someone has made in their
life typically
typically Mhm. that has caused them to
develop these conditions which far down
the stream, like the tree you talked
about with the bad leaf doctors then
point at the leaf and go, we need to fix
the leaf. Mhm. But it's down in the
roots somewhere. Mhm. So what are the
what are like the
societal and individual level things
that we can be doing
to prevent us even getting these chronic
diseases? Like the the simple simple
things.
I'll tell you the simplest thing that we
can do.
First I you know, we should think about
having an an invisible fence around us.
Right? Like a like a little force field.
And we should filter things before they
make it to the temple.
Um because
either we can filter things for the
temple or we can let the temple be the
filter. So you can drink tap water and
if you drink tap water, your body will
filter out the fluoride, the chlorine,
the microplastics, the pharmaceuticals
or you can filter your water before you
drink it. Right? And and take one toxic
load off your body. So what I would say
is
probably five things that I would
commit to doing on a regular basis.
Number one is upon waking, I would I
would drink a mineral mineralized water.
I would take 10 oz of water and I would
add either a Celtic sea salt or a Baja
gold salt to my water. The reason for
that is that most of us are deficient in
some or several of the trace minerals in
our body. The boring ones, boron,
manganese, molybdenum, selenium.
And stir it up and just whack it back.
The second thing I would do is
Wait, you know what I'm talking about
table salt here. No, no, no, not sodium
chloride. No, I'm talking about Baja
gold sea salt. That's probably the best
salt that
you can put in the human body because it
has all 91 trace minerals. It's tested
down to 250 parts per billion
for microplastics and glyphosate. Um
only about 75% of that sodium crystal is
actually sodium. The rest of them is all
of these trace minerals. You can get
very close to that with Celtic salt.
Right? And if you can't get Celtic salt,
then you could move to a pink Himalayan
sea salt. The problem with pink
Himalayan sea salt recently is that a
lot of it has um heavy metals cuz it's
coming out of China. So I would say the
best salt is Baja gold. A a great salt
is Celt Celtic salt.
And
a decent salt is pink Himalayan sea
salt. Forget table salt. I would just
get that permanently out of your life.
Okay, so number one, I have my Baja
Mineralized. Mineralized. Um and then
number two, I would I would take a DHA
EPA fish oil supplement or a a fatty
acid supplement with DHA or EPA oil. Um
an MCT oil. I'll take a fatty acid um
oil in the morning. An omega supplement.
An omega. Omega 3. An omega 3
supplement. And then I would develop a
morning routine that included the basics
from mother nature, sunlight, grounding
breath work cold shower. Okay, so I
wanted to zoom in here on grounding.
Mhm.
I'm a huge fan of grounding. My
girlfriend grounds and again, listen, my
girlfriend's much smarter than I am at
it transpires because everything she
says, I think I said this to you last
time. Everything she says to me
eventually I sit here with like a
neuroscientist a year later and turns
out she was absolutely right. I thought
she was a bit a little bit kooky for
thinking that getting outside in the
morning and putting her feet on the
ground were
at all beneficial, but I've been told
time and time again it is.
What is grounding and why does it help?
So we get three things from mother
nature, right? We get magnetism from the
earth, we get oxygen from the air, we
get light from the sun.
The further we get away from those
things, the sicker we become. Really?
Yes. So the magnetism
Absolutely.
piece of it sounds like like a spiritual
kooky stuff.
I you know, I mean probably
10,000 years ago they probably thought
the same thing about gravity, you know,
but um
but the earth has a low Gauss current.
Right? I mean we were meant to spend 85%
of our time outside. We spend 97% of our
time indoors now.
The truth is most of us are not getting
enough sun. We're not getting too much
sun. We're not getting enough sun.
And you know, because of the way we eat
and seed oils and everything that are
that are oxidizing in our skin, our
cancer rates are are are exploding, but
not because of our sun exposure, it's
because of our our diet. We could talk
about that later, but
when you touch the surface of the earth,
when bare feet touch a pair of soil,
grass, sand, we discharge into the
earth. And by that, I mean you actually
change the polarity in the body. And
this is measurable. In fact, if you want
to do a little experiment, um find find
somebody that has a microscope, a basic
microscope and get a slide and just take
a prick prick your finger and take a
drop of your blood and put it on that
slide, smear it around and look at it
under the microscope. I think I have a
video of this on my Instagram. And what
you'll see when you look at your blood
in real time is you'll see most of your
red blood cells are stuck together and
clumped up. Not clotted, but they're
attracted to each other. Because when
cells have the same charge, they repel.
When they repel, it increases the amount
of surface area that that cell has to
contact the outside environment. So now
it can exchange waste. It can eliminate
waste, detoxify, repair, can regenerate.
So imagine that you have bloodstream
full of red blood cells and they start
to get opposite charges.
So they attract. And when they attract,
they touch and everywhere that they
touch, that cell loses surface area to
exchange with the outside environment.
When you touch the surface of the earth
for a few minutes, you will repolarize
those. Prick your finger 10 minutes
after you come inside, put it back on
that same slide, look at your blood,
it's going to look like
eggs slithering around in a bowl of oil.
They will bump into each other and
they'll be sliding around, but they will
not be clumped together and stuck. So
what's going on then? May I must be
coming through my feet. The charge
coming through my feet. Yeah, so you're
actually discharging into the earth, you
know, you're exchanging um ions. It's a
low Gauss current. So like a magnet,
you're exchanging ions with the earth
and you're discharging. You're you're
you're grounding. What if I live on the
ground floor, do I still have to go
outside? Yes, you got to touch bare
dirt, soil, grass, sand.
Why can't I if I live on the ground
floor, why doesn't the floor on the
lower floor of the house Because they
they that insulates you from um from the
earth's magnetic field. There's usually
steel, concrete, wood. There's other
barriers, tile, asphalt. There are
things that actually prevent you from
actually contacting the surface of the
earth. You know, there there are there
are grounding mattresses that you plug
into the ground wire and then um that
ground wire, if you if you look at how,
you know, the grounding of a circuit
occurs, at some point is running
directly into the ground. There will be
a pole in the ground that is connected
usually by copper to that wire and
connected to your outlet to ground that
outlet. Can I just get some kind of mat
that does has the same charge?
you could get a PEMF mat. But again, you
know,
one of the things I get a lot of flack
of is is saying that you have to buy all
this expensive equipment. So there's two
ways to do it.
You can buy a pulse electromagnetic
field mat, a PEMF mat. I have one. Um
they cost about five grand. Um so if you
got five grand lying around, it's one of
the best investments you can make. You
put it in your bed, you go to sleep on
it, you you run it you run a low Gauss
current at night, it will help get you
into a deep sleep. You'll wake up
alkaline every morning. Um it will push
the electrosmog right out of your your
body um cuz PEMF gets rid of
electrosmog, 5G, Wi-Fi. When you say you
wake up alkaline every morning. So when
you change the um so the pH of the blood
is a it's a pretty narrow range. It's
about it's about 5/10 of a point. It's
about half a point. And it's a complete
fallacy that you can change the pH of
the blood by drinking alkaline water.
Alkaline water will actually not
actually change the pH of your blood. If
you want to change the pH of your blood
amongst other things, you you apply a
low Gauss current. pH stands for
potential hydrogen. It's a charge. And
so by running a low Gauss current
through the body or touching the surface
of the earth, you actually can move the
pH of the blood slightly. And that does
An alkaline state is a disease-free
state. The more acidic we get, the
sicker we become.
And so
um and so if we want to move the pH of
of the blood slightly, if we want to
wake up alkaline, if we want to run a
low Gauss current through our body, we
can either touch the surface of the
earth or wear a bio PMF mat. See, so
they've done tests where someone lays on
a PMF mat for a certain amount of time.
They then do a blood test and they find
that their blood is more alkaline.
Yes. Mhm. Yes, and that that separation
of blood cells, you can see instantly on
getting off of a PMF mat. Again, I've
got videos of me doing this to my
production manager on um you know, I'm
in my house breaking his finger, putting
it on the
on a slide, putting it on the uh the PMF
and actually looking at it afterwards.
The second thing I would do is I would
learn to do breath work. I use something
called a HyperMax, which is based on um
Dr. Van Arden and Dr. Otto Warburg's um
Nobel Prize
winning work and that is the it's called
multi-step oxygen therapy where you
actually take an oxygen concentrator,
you fill up a bag full of 900 L of 95%
O2 and you actually just breathe that
95% O2 for 10 to 12 minutes while you're
active on a treadmill.
But if you don't want to have an
EWOT, exercise with oxygen therapy
machine, you can learn to do breath
work, engage the auxiliary muscles of
respiration, get oxygen down into the
lobes of your lungs and out of the apex
of your lungs. One of the one of the
articles that I quoted that turned out
not to be a study and I still can't find
the reference for it was that
after age 35 90% of people will never
sprint again.
And again, I haven't been able to find
if that came from a clinical study or if
it was an an article, but
whether or not that's true, the vast
majority of people stop engaging their
auxiliary muscles of respiration.
You know, really exercising our
diaphragm, using the intercostal muscles
between our ribs, pushing air down into
lobes of our body. And as our posture
collapses and our CO2 rises, you know,
if you think about the expired air in
your body from the tip of your nose to
the tip of your mouth all the way down
your esophagus out your bronchioles into
the farthest reaches of your lungs,
that's all expired air. Until you get
the oxygen all the way down and out to
the edges of the lung, you're not
getting oxygen into the bloodstream. So
as we age and our posture collapses, our
respiratory rate gets more and more
shallow. We're essentially
hyperventilating carbon dioxide.
Right? And which is accelerating aging.
I mean, aging is
the presence of oxygen is the absence of
disease. And so by just learning how to
do breath work. So one, I would ground.
Two, I would I would learn to do breath
work. I do a Wim Hof style of breath
work. I do three rounds of 30 breaths
with an extended breath hold every
single morning. It is the one thing that
I never ever ever ever miss. Why? Ever.
Because
I make little promises to myself and I
try to keep them.
And I find that
I lose confidence in myself when I
consistently break really small promises
to myself.
Um and I think a lot of people do this.
And our bodies crave consistency.
And so You lose confidence in yourself.
You say, you know, I'm going to go to
bed at, you know,
10:30 tonight and you go to bed at 1:00
a.m. You know, and then you say I'm
going to work out and first thing in the
morning and you actually don't work out.
Or you get up in the morning you say, I
listened to that podcast, I'm going to
do what Gary said, I'm going to ground
and get some sunlight and I'm going to
do some breath work. And then you
actually don't do it. So these are
little internal promises that you make
to yourself.
And I feel like a lot of people
break these little promises to
themselves. If they're not making them
to their spouse or to their kids or to
their partners or, you know, they're
they're they're not the big promises
that everybody knows about. And I think
it nibbles away at our self-confidence
and our own ability to trust ourselves.
And so
I have a morning routine. Um I'm very
consistent with it. But the one thing
that is portable for me is the ability
to get outside and ground and do breath
work.
And I never ever ever miss.
I can't even tell you how many years
I've gone without missing a single
morning of breath work. The other thing
that it does for me because, you know,
human beings crave consistency. So if
within 30 minutes of waking every day,
no matter what time zone you're in,
you're doing three rounds of 30 breaths,
your body begins to zero in on that and
it begins to understand that that's the
morning. This is go time. And
so simple to do. You know, when I'm
here, I wake up. I might be at a
different time because I'm usually on
the East Coast, so I wake up earlier
here, but I go I open the door, I go out
on the balcony, I sit on the chair, it's
nice and cool outside, I face the sun
and I do three rounds of 30 breaths
every single day.
My partner brought me one of those big
red light panels for Christmas. It was
my Christmas present. And funnily
enough, guess what my Christmas present
to her was as well.
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Yeah. You got a bed or did you get the
panels? The panels. It was so sweet.
like JuveXo or what did you get?
idea. What did you get? Okay. I've no
idea the brand. But it but she brought
me one. It's like a small one. And then
I was like, "Babe, open your present."
And then I opened them and she opened
hers and hers was like a big one. She's
like literally half the size of me, so
it was quite sweet. So we swapped. Um
but but we now both use it. It's a bit
of a routine in the morning. We both
wake up.
Amazing.
and sit down by it. And I'm not really
sure what's it's doing. I've just kind
of noticed it's doing
positive things. I've done a little bit
of my own research on it and how to use
it to make sure I'm not like killing
myself somehow. But um
what is it doing and why should everyone
consider getting one? So it's it's
referred to in the literature as
photobiomodulation, photobiomodulation.
So if you want to look up any of the
clinical studies, put photobiomodulation
and then put and dementia and
Alzheimer's and skin and um inflammation
and and the studies will come up. But
basically, different nanometers of of of
light have different effects in the
body.
And um so they are um well researched
and and publicized to reduce
inflammation,
um increase microvascular circulation,
so the smallest of the capillaries in
our body are affected by light. Um they
have a very specific effect in the
mitochondria, the powerhouse of the
cell.
So if you actually went through the wall
of a cell and into the cytoplasm and
found the mitochondria and you went into
the mitochondria, you'd see that there's
a motor in there that's spinning around.
It's called the Krebs cycle.
And this motor, when it spits out energy
called ATP, um
it you know, essentially it has two
choices every time it makes a
revolution, right? It it can either
create two units of energy or it creates
36 units of energy. It's either 16 times
more efficient or 16 times less
efficient. And what determines that is
whether or not oxygen enters that cycle.
So one of the things that red light does
is it goes through the wall of the
mitochondria and it kicks out a gas
called mitochondrial nitric oxide and
forces oxygen to dock.
So when you get into a red light therapy
bed or use red light therapy panels, one
of the things that's happening is you're
essentially forcing oxygen into the
mitochondria. You're forcing the oxygen
to use mitochondria and release a gas
called mitochondrial nitric oxide. This
is also measurable, by the way. You can
get saliva nitric oxide strips, you can
put it in your mouth and before you got
in a red light therapy bed, and you
could look at the saliva
um the amount of nitric oxide in your
saliva and you'd see it's like a pale
kind of yellowish pink.
Then you get in one of those red light
therapy beds for 20 minutes and about 10
minutes after you get out, test it
again, you'll see that your nitric oxide
levels are through the roof. That's a
positive sign that the mitochondria has
thrown this gas out and brought oxygen
in.
And it's to imagine what happens in a
cell when you give it 16 times the
amount of energy. So imagine upstaging
trillions of cells to allow them to
eliminate waste, repair, detoxify,
regenerate just by using light. It also
has a very positive effect on collagen,
elastin, fibrin. Um it's known to
improve angiogenesis, the new blood
vessel formation. Um I was I was on the
uh Joe Rogan's podcast a few months ago
and um he ended up buying one of these
red light um beds uh from me and we
installed it in his house and
he told me about four or five weeks ago
that he's no longer in wearing readers
anymore. Like his his eyesight has
improved that much. And he said he's
starting to really notice the changes in
his skin. So photobiomodulation is very
real and it absolutely works. But um
you know, without people having to think
that they have to spend that kind of
money on a red light therapy bed, you
can also just expose your skin to
sunlight, especially during first light,
the first 45 minutes of the day when
there's no UVA, there's no UVB, there's
high amounts of healthy blue light. Um
you can still generate vitamin D3. Let
me just run that back so I'm clear. Um
on the point about Rogan's eyesight, uh
I did some I was looking through some
research about the impact of red light
on eyesight and it said that it's good
for eyesight and so Incredibly good for
eyesight.
Cuz I was wondering whether I should be
looking at this thing while it's on.
Yes. And then I went online, Googled it,
had a rummage around and it said you can
look at it, you can stare at it.
You can. Yeah. You can. Because
remember, there's no UVA, there's no
UVB. Um and and and some of the
marginal information that comes out
about red light being damaging to you,
you have to remember that red light is a
spectrum. Infrared, for example, is a
spectrum. Most most red light therapy
beds run from 600
um nanometers to about 1,000 nanometers
wavelength of light.
As you get above that, you're you're in
the infrared spectrum, but you're going
all the way to 1,100, maybe even above.
So so in other words, when you say
infrared light, this is a non-visible
spectrum of light.
But there's a there's a broad number of
wavelengths, right? So an infrared
um
red light bed will have infrared light,
but it will be very low in the spectrum,
so it doesn't create heat. It doesn't
excite a chromophore that creates
vibration and makes you sweat. When you
get an infrared sauna, you're getting
very high into those wavelengths. You're
exciting a different chromophore in the
body and your water water to be specific
and it vibrates and creates heat and you
start to sweat. So, you don't sweat in a
red light therapy bed even though it's
infrared, low in the spectrum, but you
do sweat in an infrared sauna um even
though it's infrared light, it's high in
the spectrum. So,
the infrared light and the red light
that comes from red um red light beds
and red light panels and face masks is
incredibly beneficial for you. I mean,
I've
I would be scared to even tell you all
the the positive outcomes that we've
seen people that regularly use red light
therapy
because you know, you can't really make
medical claims around them, but I can
tell you firsthand we have seen just
astounding things that people would
probably consider miracles with red
light therapy. You mentioned the first
45 minutes of sunlight. Mhm. First
light. Uh cuz I'm try I always try to
try and figure out the sort of
evolutionary backstory to red light and
where it came from in nature and why it
was good for us as humans and why we've
lost it.
Those are the three sort of questions I
Well, we're really photovoltaic beings.
I mean, we're very tied to the circadian
cycle of the sun. I mean,
light causes the body to behave in very
special ways. I mean, you know,
you probably heard that getting first
light can actually reset your circadian
cycle and do more for you to sleep that
night than probably just about any other
sleep habit. So, your sleep routine
really starts with your morning routine
and it has a an effect on cortisol
receptors. It has effect on dopamine I
mean, on on melatonin receptors.
Remember, cortisol is a hormone that
responds to light, right? I mean, um
when our light when our eyes are closed
and light is passing through our
eyelids, it has a tendency to raise our
cortisol levels, which is why they tell
you not to use blue light at night,
right? You're stimulating cortisol and
you're stimulating a waking hormone when
you actually are trying to go to sleep.
So, by getting first light, you're
you're you're telling the body that it's
that it's morning. You know, you're
you're raising cortisol, you're
downregulating your melatonin receptors,
you're getting healthy blue light into
your eyes, you're getting healthy light
onto your skin. There's no UVA, there's
no UVB, none of the damaging rays of of
the sun. And and in 15 or 20 minutes, if
if you stack them all together, you can
ground do breathwork and get sunlight. I
mean, just try it for 7 days.
What if I have the red light at night
time? Is that going to trick my body
into thinking it's the morning? No.
The red light won't won't do that. It's
completely different. It's not the it's
not the blue light spectrum that we're
talking about.
have red light anytime of day.
Dope. You can have red light anytime. In
fact, red light I find it very relaxing.
I sometimes will do my um my red light
bed right before bed. Sleep like a baby.
We've been doing that as well at home,
so I was just checking cuz I I did
Google to to see if it was something
that would wake me up, but no, yeah,
you're right. Blue light is the thing
that wakes us.
Um bit of a tangent, but I just saw you
have a gulp of that water. Mhm.
What is in that water?
Hydrogen water. Why hydrogen water? This
is a little hydrogen generator I get. I
don't know if you can just see that, but
there's
um
what it's doing is a there's a little
Pick it up and and you'll be able to see
it in the Yeah, a little electrolysis
pump down there and it's and it's
basically adding hydrogen gas to the
water. It's not much left in there, but
if you if you fill it with water, you
can see that.
I mean, it is
fascinating. I am so convinced that
hydrogen water is the best water that
you can put in the human body and
there's a there's a website called
hydrogenstudies.com
that has about 1,350
studies um on the site. You can go to
hydrogenstudies.com. When you get to
that site, you can actually search um by
human clinical trials or animal clinical
trials, so you could sort out and look
at human clinical trials and look at all
of the ways that hydrogen gas is used in
therapeutic treatments, reducing
inflammation, improving the absorption
of supplements, improving proving
athletic performance, delaying um the
uh addressing delayed onset muscle
soreness, reducing neural inflammation.
I mean, there are so many clinical
trials
proving the efficacy of hydrogen gas in
the body. And people do hydrogen gas
through a nasal cannulas, through ear
cannulas, through eye cannulas. You can
breathe hydrogen gas, but by drinking um
hydrogen water, you have a very positive
effect on inflammation in the body. When
you pump the hydrogen into that, doesn't
it just come out the top? No, it's
sealed. So, it's under pressure. So,
what it does is it forces the gas back
into the liquid. Okay. And so, the
liquid actually gets has a high part per
million concentration of hydrogen gas.
The colder the liquid, the more gas you
can dissolve. So, it takes about 5 hours
for it to dissipate from that. Um some
people use hydrogen H2 tablets. Um I
just use this
this
hydrogen bottle and I take it literally
everywhere I go. I notice when I don't
have it.
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One of the subjects that's been really
sort of pertinent culture at the moment
is this subject of Ozempic. Mhm.
You know, since we spoke, it's got even
more popular.
Um and it's everywhere. I looked
yesterday at the company that make
Ozempic and I believe if my
Apple stock app wasn't deceiving me, the
company's worth trillions now. Oh, I'm
sure. Yeah, it was Ozempic and so,
Ozempic is is um
a peptide called semaglutide. Um it's
GLP-1 inhibitor. There's a there's
another one called tirzepatide, which
actually did better in side-by-side
clinical trials than semaglutide and
that's the Wegovy version um or the
Mounjaro version. Um semaglutide I think
is Ozempic and Wegovy.
But,
these are great for for people that have
um that are type 2 diabetics or that are
morbidly obese and have issues with
cravings um and that have that have
either diabetes or or or
significant obesity. I think that they
become drugs for vanity
and what people are realizing now is all
of the issues with gastric emptying,
paralytic gut, um the fact that when you
start to Paralytic gut? Paralytic gut,
which is where you actually get
paralysis in in the gut. Because one of
the things that they slow is gastric
emptying. And so, if you slow the rate
of gastric emptying, very often contents
can putrefy
um in the gut.
And
it's not that I'm totally against these
these peptides. If you use these
peptides, you have to be in a weight
training program. So, you have to be um
doing resistance training because
a third of the weight that you lose, as
much as half of the weight that you lose
in some in some of the studies is lean
body mass.
So, if you're taking a semaglutide or
tirzepatide, then you want to make sure
that you're also on a I would
our clinical team would put you on a
peptide, a growth hormone peptide like
uh sermorelin, ipamorelin to muscle
protect and then also make sure that
you're on a a a good strength training
regimen because just taking these you
you don't get to spot remove fat. And
so, what happens is you start to
aggressively mobilize and metabolize fat
very often from the cheeks and from the
face and people are getting semaglutide
face or Wegovy face, they're saying now,
where like their cheeks get really
sunken in, their eyes, the fat pads
beneath their eyes um are metabolized,
their eyes start to look like they're
sunken in. So, if you're morbidly obese
or or have a significant amount of
weight to lose, you struggle with
cravings, you have you're either
severely pre-diabetic or you're
diabetic, I mean, they can be a
life-changing. But, for vanity purposes,
I I don't I I think there are a lot
better peptides and a lot better ways to
do it. What's your life like these days?
It's amazing.
You know, I
I think I was telling you before I got
on the show today that I feel like I
live somebody else's life.
I really do. I
I've I can't believe that I found
something that I would
like otherwise do for free and somehow
monetized it.
And
you must feel the same way, you know,
when you're when you're doing a podcast
and
you know, your your message starts to
resonate, the caliber caliber of people
that it attracts. I mean, the rooms that
you get to get in.
And
for me, I have a insatiable
level of intellectual curiosity. Like
I'm super super curious.
And the fact that I get to sit down with
people like yourself, but some of the
greatest minds um you know, in in the in
the world that are studying longevity,
anti-aging, biohacking, um cancer,
mortality, um sports performance, it's
it's just
I pinch myself.
I really do.
With all privilege comes our pain.
Yeah.
What's the pain?
Um You need to be honest with me here
cuz this is why we did start this
podcast many years ago.
Um
you know, for me um
the pain is as I've
as I've become more popular, I guess, um
and as the message has resonated
I've become a little more distant from
the
the folks that I initially
sought to serve and support.
I had a lot more individual reaction. I
mean uh interaction in the beginning.
And now I just
simply can't
interact with a number of people
that would like me to, that actually do
need me.
And I've turned my attention to trying
to
train and support the training of as as
many qualified people as I can so we can
really touch the masses.
And
I had no idea how much the message would
resonate.
And it resonated in a way that
overpowered my company.
And
you know, one of the worst things is
kind of collapsing under the weight of
your own success.
And that didn't quite happen, but
you know, the the message began to
resonate and there were so many people
coming to take our test and seek our
services that really really needed us
and I felt the burden of of that need.
Um
we were for a period of time unable to
respond. We were overwhelmed and that
turned to vitriol in some cases. Um
that's stabilized now, but um
you know, it's kind of the it's kind of
be careful what you ask for.
Because you might get it, but
by the same token I wouldn't I wouldn't
change a thing.
I feel like the most blessed person in
the world. What about the family impact
cuz you got kids and and all that? You
know,
that is the greatest blessing for me. My
my kids are landing at LAX in in within
a few hours. They're they're in the air
right now. Um
So I've got three children and the
oldest two work for me full-time. And my
daughter just graduated from nursing
school. She's starting her PhD in
nursing. My son's about 14 weeks behind
her. So they're both going for their
their PhDs in nursing. So they'll both
have their doctorate in nursing.
And
that is the greatest blessing in life is
when
your you see that your kids have a
passion because I feel like you can
teach your kids anything, but you can't
give them a passion.
And the and the fact that they think
enough about me and what I'm doing to
want to follow in my footsteps is
that is beyond
anything I can even put into words.
Because I travel with my kids. I
I see clients with my my my kids. You
know, my wife is also in in the business
and I think the pace of our life would
be a lot more difficult if I didn't have
my family around. I saw Dr. Peter Attia
talking on a podcast once and he
I'm paraphrasing so I don't know if I'm
getting right, but he said
you get 19 years with your kids.
The first 18
is from when they're born to when
they're 18 years old.
And then they're gone.
The last year
is spread out over the entirety of the
rest of their lifetime.
And I thought how sad.
Cuz I spend more time with my kids now
than I did
almost since the day they were born.
And they're just becoming these adults
that really inspire me.
And so I think that
of all the blessings that God has given
me, that's the biggest one.
There are a couple of other things that
I was really curious about um when I
knew I was going to speak to you today.
One of them was kind of what we were
talking about there with your family,
which is just like the role of
community. Mhm. Which we're clearly in a
bit of a loneliness epidemic.
And I Well, um you know, we knew in the
in the life expectancy space um
this is a material fact that if you
wanted to cut somebody's life expectancy
in half at any age
put them in isolation.
So if you put a human being in
isolation, you will cut their life
expectancy in half. How could you see
that in the data?
Because you would there there was
something we we call the broken heart
syndrome or caregiver syndrome um and
it's it's well documented in the
elderly. Um you know, when you have
a
companion that you've been with for 40
or 50 or 60 years and that companion
passes, very shortly thereafter the
second companion goes.
And I always thought that was a myth,
like a nice tale of heartbreak and love.
Well, we call it the broken heart
syndrome. It has nothing to do with a
broken heart, but I mean the the
emotional state, I mean the frequency in
their body changes. Um and when this
surrenders, this surrenders. The mind
and the body.
Mhm. When the mind surrenders, the body
surrenders and there's a lot of
emerging body of evidence that that's
actually putting some science behind the
the the theory that emotions can make us
sick and and I think everyone's believes
that in the in the stress can actually
um lead to pathology and lead to
disease, but um so you know that when we
isolate human beings, it's hard to
completely isolate them, but we know
when you isolate human beings that that
it
it has dramatic effect on life
expectancy. Some of the worst
science that we and research that we do
is when we study components of the body
or cells from the human body in
isolation. You take a cell out and you
put it in a Petri dish and you look how
it behaves in vitro and then you assume
when you put that cell back into the
body that it's going to behave that way
because cells exist in communities, too.
They exchange with their outside
environment. They eliminate waste. They
repair. They detoxify. They're they're
very active community. Um and so
um
you know, the impact of community has a
meaning all the way down to a cellular
level. They do animal studies on this
kind of thing, right? Oh yeah, no
question. On loneliness and On
loneliness and and and and isolation and
it and it has a dramatic effect on life
expectancy. It's been a while since I've
read an animal study, but we knew
that isolation
had a dramatic effect on mortality. So
if when when a loved one got moved into
an assisted care living facility or we
looked at the proximity of family
members to a mother or a father that had
just lost a grandmother or grandfather
that had just lost one or the other
spouse.
Um and you knew that
the family wasn't going to visit
frequently and then now that person was
in isolation. Um and when I mean
isolation, not completely isolated, but
they were isolated from daily activity.
That had dramatic effect on life
expectancy. It was it was a comorbidity
factor that we used.
And mainly in the elderly, but it would
happen in younger ages as well.
So I I think that community is
increasingly important for me. You know,
I remember when I
sold my company, my my partner Grant
Cardone at the time told me, he said,
"Your sphere is about to get a lot
smaller."
And I was like
that doesn't make sense.
Um
my sphere is about to get a lot larger.
And it was true. What he said was very
true. You know, my
I spend the majority of my time with my
kids.
Um they're working for me full-time. We
travel together. We see clients
together. Um we're in the hunt together.
Um they're big supporters of the
business. They caught the bug. They're
in school together. You know, my
youngest still still lives with me.
So my my circle has gotten so much
smaller even though you see
me out there with like Dana Whites and
you know, and and and celebrities and
athletes and those are those are the
flashbulb moments. But in my day-to-day
and week-to-week and month-to-month
I'm I'm intensely surrounded by my
family and a very small team that I have
a high level of trust in that is really
helping me continue to be in service.
You know, to
to the clients that I'm working with.
What about retirement and and purpose
and the role that plays in our
longevity?
It's been a while since I I used to have
the VBT, the variable basic table
memorized, but there is a probabilistic
factor
um
um for retirement and communal
interaction and
um I forget exactly what that the level
of impact was, but we had we had a
probabilistic model where we would use
this demographic data. Um but there is
no question that
mortality accelerates post-retirement. I
don't know that I've dealt enough into
the science to really accurately comment
on it, but it must have something to do
with the loss of the sense of purpose.
When you look at blue zones and and
centenarians, you know, one of the
one of the key themes even beyond the
diet because
you know, the diets were very different.
You know, Singapore has one of the
longest life expectancies on earth. They
eat the highest amount of meat. Sardinia
has very long life expectancies. They
eat they high amounts of bread, pasta,
and flour. Um you know, the the
Mediterranean blue zones eat high
amounts of of oils, fish, and fats.
But what was a common theme between all
of them was mobility into older ages
and a sense of purpose.
And there was no such thing as assisted
care living facilities where you
assisted care was when grandma and
grandpa moved back in with their kids
and live with the kids until the day
that they died. And maybe her purpose
was just to get vegetables that night
for
for dinner. Um
and grandpa's purpose was maybe to
continue to make belts for the a leather
smith down the road, but they they had a
sense of purpose. When you think back to
your your job in life insurance and
the the role that you had, is there any
parts of it that you look back on now
and you think about that industry that
are unethical? Because you can't reach
out because of law and privacy to these
people, as you've said. You know, that'd
be a violation of a variety of different
sort of policies and stuff. But is Is
anything else it within the the practice
of it that you find unethical?
Just the fact that you know
I wasn't allowed to have any contact
with the patient or the training
physician and I understand for good
reason because most of the people that
are doing this work are not licensed to
practice medicine. They don't want them
jumping Yeah.
into the practice of medicine. Um but
when you notice things that are obvious
and then maybe you know that a doctor
would have appreciated appreciated that
phone call. Oh my gosh, I didn't know
that she was on that other script. Thank
you for calling me. I mean wasn't to
besmirch them or or take over their
practice of medicine.
But I really wish that the database
would see the light of day.
The databases that are used in
predicting mortality in my opinion could
change the face of humanity.
I know why they won't because it would
upend modern medicine in a way in in my
opinion that would be catastrophic.
Destroy that business as well, wouldn't
it? Cuz they need people to die, really.
They do. Because they don't want to be
paying out. Well, you know, annuities um
need people to die. Life insurance wants
people to to live a little bit longer.
Okay. Oh, yeah, cuz the longer they
live, the more they pay. The longer they
live, the more they pay.
want
But annuities You've put down a deposit,
basically. So, they want that deposit
They guarantee me an income stream for
life. Wow. So, if you could kindly
expire tomorrow, that would be good for
me. And the same companies do both? Same
companies do both. Okay. Um there's
something called a life insurance life
annuity contract, a lilac. Where you
actually put an annuity and a life
insurance policy on the same life and
you can't lose.
As you know, we have a closing tradition
on this podcast where the last guest
leaves a question for the next guest not
knowing who they're going to be leaving
it for. Um The question that has been
left for you is this one.
I wish I knew who your last guest was.
Okay.
So,
they said they're quoting someone and it
says Gundalini said, "Be the change
that you want to see in the world."
What is the change you want to see?
God, it looks like Gundalini.
Gundalini.
You try to read this. Gandhi. Gandhi
said, "Be the change you want to see in
the world." What is the change you want
to see and how
will you be it? Wow. Well, I want to see
people live healthier, happier, longer
lives, more fulfilling lives. And
I will be that by continuing to get the
message out.
And that's why I'm here.
And that's what I wake up and do every
day.
And I can't hold a candle to Gandhi.
Um but I will spend the balance of my
adult lifetime continuing to get the
message out.
Gary, thank you so much. Um having
getting to know you on and off camera,
you're such a a genuine, true
lovely human. Thank you.
And your intent and your intentions are
so clear to me and so pure. So, you
know, I've had loads of people reach out
to me since our last conversation and
speak to the value that your advice has
had on their lives. Oh, man.
Thousands and thousands of people, I
mean
Dude, that makes me I mean, I looked at
the last conversation, I looked at my
emails around that time. I searched your
name and when I say thousands, I mean
thousands and thousands of people that
are reporting to have better lives,
happier lives because they listened to
that conversation. So,
So awesome. They probably won't be able
to reach you. So, on behalf of those
people, I wanted to say thank you so
much for doing what you do because it's
very important.
Oh, man. It's not always easy.
Yeah. But you know, it's an occupational
hazard. Yeah, it is. Putting yourself
out there in the world as I would know.
So, thank you so much, Gary. I
appreciate your time. Super welcome.
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This episode features Gary Brecka, a human biologist, who explains his philosophy of optimizing health by addressing nutrient deficiencies and understanding body data. Brecka discusses the impact of genetic methylation, the importance of specific blood markers, and how lifestyle choices—including sunlight, grounding, and proper nutrition—can prevent chronic disease and improve longevity.
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