This Is Crazy
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Open source is dead. And no, I'm not
talking about the AI slop apocalypse PR
epidemic that has been going on for the
last 6 months. I'm talking about
something much much much more serious.
And the weirdest part about this whole
thing, it's being disguised as a joke.
We're only joking. Listen here, pal.
Even the Bible hates this behavior. And
this was from 3,000 years ago. Ain't
nobody likes this. All right. To
understand what's going on, may I
present to you first the website Malice
Liberate opensource. Now to understand
what is happening and what's going on
behind all this, you got to know a
little bit of history. And the first
piece of history starts right here.
Baker versus Seldon. Now, effectively
what happened is that Baker studied
everything that Seldon did and then
recreated effectively Seldon's
accounting work and his new novel
principles and was able to sell his own
version of the book. Now, of course,
this went off into the courts. The
courts eventually reached the Supreme
Court and the Supreme Court said, "Hey,
you can copyright expressions, but you
cannot copyright ideas." This is
important. Again, in the same talk and
also on Malice's website is another very
important piece of lore from our
history. In 1984, a company called
Phoenix Technologies did a very kind of
clever thing. Effectively, at one point,
IBM had a strangle hold on the entire
computing like ecosystem. And so what
Phoenix Technologies did is that they
hired an engineer that would go through
and effectively create a perfect spec to
match exactly how the BIOS would operate
from IBM. And then a second engineer
would just simply implement the spec,
never interacting with IBM, never
attempting to steal any information,
just simply looking at the spec and
copying its behavior. And this allowed
Phoenix Technologies to actually write
its own version of some IBM firmware.
And then legally they were given the
thumbs up. Yes, that is okay. Legally
this is called clean room engineering.
Effectively you create a buffer between
person who understands the technology
and person who implements the
technology. And by having this legally
distinct separation, you prevent
yourself from falling into a bunch of
issues. Hopefully now it's a little bit
more obvious where I'm going at this
point. Robot A reads the documentation,
understands the code, sees what's going
on, generates a specification. Robot B
implements from just the spec package
liberated. What this means is that there
are packages out in the ecosystem that
have say GPL licenses. If you're not
familiar with copy left or GPL,
effectively what happens is that if you
use a GPL package, you must make your
package open source for everybody and
you must have a GPL license. It is a
viral licensing. So say you wanted this
package and you're like, "Oo, I could
really use that. that would be pivotal
for my project. But I also don't want
GPL. This is a commercial project. Well,
what could I do? I could AI clean room
engineer that. And this is exactly what
was built by these two right here. They
gave an entire presentation. It's up on
YouTube and they call it the death of
open source where they argue quite
thoroughly of all the dangers of open
source, why effectively there's a bunch
of problems with it, why licenses can be
pretty bad, and why copyright law is
actually in their favor. Nolan right
here proposes this idea of clean room as
a service. So if you actually go to the
website Malice, I just assumed this was
just a joke, right? The name it's way
too on the nose. It seems pretty
obvious. The comments are from
Wellington bottomline stockholder and
offshore, right? Like this is all
extremely on the nose. But here's the
thing. I bought the service. I got is
number copied. I got leftpad copied.
This is the exact code that it produced.
And yes, this passes the 111 test for
JavaScript is number. Now, your obvious
first reaction to everything I'm saying.
I know it's been a lot. Your first
reaction is JavaScript has an is number
package that you have to download and
execute to understand what a number is.
Yes. Yes, it is true. And second, yes,
this is a potential implementation which
is entirely more than one line of code.
I JavaScript is truly a cursed language.
Okay, it is just the worst. But I think
the second and more important reaction
is, okay, this was obviously uh an
elaborate setup to kind of show the
weakness of our current copyright law
and what's happening within open source.
You can now have commercial entities
effectively copy anything with AI and
just say, "Yeah, we don't care about
licenses." Oh, sorry. Is that GPL? More
like goodbye. More like don't give a
licensing going on right here. And
there is legally apparently nothing we
can do about it. That is just the state
of affairs. You put your code on the
internet, a robot can write a
specification and a second robot can
just straight up snatch it. Clean room
engineering, baby. As you can imagine, I
I feel a lot of things, right? I feel a
lot of upsetness towards this entire
experience. Even just reading it, it
just feels very upsetting because for
me, it's not really a joke. Like, yes, I
believe these guys for setting up it as
a joke. It's such an elaborate joke that
they even took money. For me, that's
typically when the I'm just joking phase
stops being a joke. But you must
understand that this is what's
happening. Look at this tweet from Sammy
Samboy right here. I have so much
gratitude to the people who wrote
extremely complex software character by
character. It already feels difficult to
remember how much effort it really took.
Thank you for getting us to this point
because you know what what comes after,
right? Great, huh? I mean, by the way,
somebody somebody needs to be monitoring
some of these tweets over at Open AI and
be like, "Yo, bro, just don't say that."
Okay, they Okay, you just got to
remember that public perception of AI is
in the actual toilet. It's been falling
among developers. It's been falling
among game developers. It's been falling
among the entire public. You just don't,
whatever you do, don't say something
stupid like, "Thanking everybody for
their hard work. Now I'm going to go
make billions of dollars off of you."
Just don't do that. That's the one thing
you can't do. And Sam's like, "Hold my
Apple teeny. I got a tweet to send,
brother. This is so bad. This is a real
thing. This is not just a proof of
concept. This actually works. You can
actually go and pay money right now and
go liberate whatever package you want.
All you need to do is have a
package.json and bam, it's yours. Now,
new license, new code, new you. Sure,
your your soul might be a little bit in
trouble, but hey, you get that you get
those sweet corporate dollars. Now,
here's the part that I kind of have with
the joking. like yes uh the these two
went off and set up this whole kind of
experiment saying hey this is what we're
doing it's a fun joke but then they also
might be making some money off of it. I
don't know where the joke, you know,
like when does the joke stop being a
joke? Like when do you become the
biblical idiot that says, "Bro, I was
just joking." And even more so at this
point, even if they take down the site,
somebody's going to put it back up,
somebody's going to make the money. And
this is actually their literal argument,
which is somebody is going to make the
money off of this, so why not be us? And
then they actually do. This is the world
we're going to live in. And I do want to
talk about kind of a more important
point for just a quick second. Okay? I
know this is not what we do around here,
but I do have kind of like a follow-up
worry that I've just been thinking a lot
about. You see, in 2013, 2012, there was
a group of people who made React. You
know that I have not the highest
opinions about React, but at the time it
was revolutionary, right? Someone made
this technology which made a great leap
forward in UI programming. I don't think
React could be made today. I don't think
the company that produced React has any
appetite for that type of engineering.
Follow up. I don't think any of the
engineers that are focused on trying to
make some big sort of impact in the
engineering world care a dime about
programming anymore. I am not sure if
we're going to see a world that actually
gets new technology. This is it. To me,
this is the final place. This is where
we're at. And not only that, thank you.
We have the death of open- source
software. The corporations will in fact
get what they want, one license change
at a time. Now, what I'm actually hoping
for, the actual outcome of this is that
Malice, this Malice Corporation is so
egregious and enough people freak out,
right, that they end up having some sort
of law change saying, "Hey, AI clean
room engineering in fact does not
count." My guess is that will never
happen. But I assume that's the actual
goal. That's the I was just joking
behind all this. What which is I'm not
joking. I actually want to create a
change. And the only kind of way I can
see a change happening is by creating
such a stir, creating such an outrage
that government officials have to step
in and make up some law. All right,
that's it. That's all I got to talk to
you about. Uh, happy open source is dead
day. I guess this is actually like my
third time recording this video. Uh, the
reason being is that I actually got too
frustrated the other two times. Like I
really I I really dislike this strongly.
It makes me it makes me angry on the
inside. You know what I mean? Little a
little little freef fall of emotional
parachuting going on right now. Okay.
Quite turbulent. Buffeted by a lot OF
EMOTIONS. I'M NOT HAVING FUN RIGHT NOW.
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The video discusses the "death of open source" due to AI clean room engineering, a service offered by a website named Malice. This service leverages legal precedents like "Baker v. Seldon," which states that ideas cannot be copyrighted, only expressions, and the traditional "clean room engineering" approach. An AI can now read existing open-source code, generate a specification, and then another AI can implement that specification to create new code. This new code, being legally distinct, bypasses restrictive licenses like GPL, making it commercially usable without adhering to the original license terms. The speaker expresses deep frustration and concern that this development will stifle future innovation, as corporations can now freely copy open-source work without obligation, potentially leading to a decline in new technologies. The speaker's hope is that the outrage generated by such services will prompt legal changes to prohibit AI clean room engineering.
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