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>> Just feel a bit less [ __ ] about myself

to stave off death.

>> Well, doesn't it do something for your

mind? Doesn't it help you?

>> Yeah, of course it Of course it does.

But when you compare it with life and

death, there's a little bit of a

difference.

>> Oh, yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, there's

a def definitely a difference, but uh

just for mental health, that's the main

reason to do it for me. It's mental

health. It's it's such a difference

between not doing it and doing it.

>> Mhm.

>> Like two different totally different

people. You got notes on that thing or

something.

>> Always.

>> You got to get one of these babies.

Little kickstand jammies. Those are

[ __ ]

>> Oh, sexy. Look at that.

>> Sexy. Sexy.

>> Yeah.

>> All right. All right.

>> Encourages you to waste your time

watching YouTube videos.

>> Yeah. without having to hold it

>> because it props up. Yeah. Beautiful.

[snorts] You feel like a fool sitting

there staring at your camera, holding it

in your hand. I always said like if

there was a drug that made people stare

at their hand for six hours a day,

everybody would be like, "Oh my god,

where was this really a problem in this

country?" People were just staring at

their hands.

>> Well, we looked at that last time that

we were on. We had uh the photo of that

that guy that artist that had taken

images of people looking at their

phones.

>> Yes. With no with no phone

>> and then removed the phones. [laughter]

>> It's such a crazy thing we're doing. And

now, of course, there's AR glasses that

are eventually going to put whatever Tik

Tok feed in like one eye where you're

watching someone in the other eye.

[laughter]

>> Have you ever tried those?

>> I've messed around with them a little

bit. Uh Zuck was here and uh he let me

try the new ones that haven't been

released yet. They were really

interesting. And you're you move a

cursor around with your eyeballs and you

can do things with your fingers. You can

pinch and and spread things and stuff

with your fingers and and play games

with your fingers. You can like It's not

quite as responsive as you'd like it to

be, but it's very beta,

>> you know.

>> [ __ ] It's

>> pretty cool.

>> It is pretty cool.

>> But also, we're losing humanity. We're

going to [laughter] we're going to be

taken in. We're going to incorporate

with the machine. [snorts]

>> Yeah. Well, I don't know. I think a lot

of people feel like that would be a

better version of the life that they

have. And that's the saddest thing that

um people people of older generations

look at young guys and girls and how

much time they spend online and they

think this is ridiculous. Why are they

sp why are they caring so much about

what is occurring on the internet? But

they don't realize people spend more

time on screens than they do asleep. So

the digital world is the real world for

these people. Like the digital world is

more real than the real world is.

>> Ooh, I didn't think of it that way.

There are a lot of people that do spend

more time on screens than they do

asleep. That's really common. Yeah. I

like to balance that out. I'd like to

spend half as much time on my phone as I

do asleep. [laughter]

>> Well, that would be a good way to

enforce it, right? You have to you log

how much sleep time you've had and then

>> So, I'm going to start sleeping 12 hours

a day. So, I [laughter]

>> six six hours wasting. It's quite a

resource if you think about it. like a

like an a lack of an appreciation of

your resource because the resource of

your time and your attention. It's very

valuable and you can convert it into all

sorts of amazing skills and information

and you you know knowledge and change

your whole life or you can just stare at

stupid [ __ ] all day long.

>> It's so compelling though, dude. It's

been designed by the

>> most profitable companies on the planet

with the smartest behavioral scientists

in history. Like it's an unfair fight.

It really is an unfair fight and that's

why

>> sort of you could not do it though.

>> Oh, you need to lean in. But it's like

there is an there is way more willpower

you need to use in order to be able to

not than like just whatever the course

of natural human history is or natural

human behavior. It's so easy to or

alternatively

you could dye the Venice River green.

[laughter]

That's what happens when you don't have

enough phone battery.

>> I said that to Chris today. Greta

Thurberg, she dyed the Venice Canals

green to protest what a lack of action

and and climate change.

>> Yeah. Pull back a a a call to pull back

carbon

fuel in Europe. And they didn't just do

it in Venice, they did it at 10 cities

around Italy. But Venice has obviously

got this gorgeous waterway. It's entire

city built on water,

>> bro. Yeah, that's hard to see how ugly

it is. Jamie, I can send you a video of

it. She cuz I sent Chris a video. It's

so, you know, it's just like, how much

attention do you need, lady? Okay, stop.

>> Sky News Australia refers to her as a

Swedish doom goblin. [laughter]

Sky News is the one that's weirdly pro-

Republican American politics.

>> Super rightwing.

>> It's like, who's funding that? There's

no way that there's that much of an

appetite in Australia for American

politics. So that's what it looks like.

That's disgusting. I was there this

summer. It's [ __ ] beautiful. It's so

in Venice is so gorgeous and so ancient

and so interesting. And to have this

self-important [ __ ] pour a bunch of

green dye into that water, you should go

to jail for that. Like, you're you're

ruining this experience for thousands

and thousands of people who don't not

just the ones who live in that amazing

place, but the ones who get to visit. I

mean, someone figured out a way to make

a whole city by shoving pylons into the

ground. And they did it a long time ago.

It's all wood. The whole city is stacked

up on wood. They take these wood poles,

they shove them into the ground. It's a

specific type of wood that doesn't rot

when it gets wet and water logged that

actually hardens. I forget what kind of

wood it is. They I watched this whole

thing on it, but I mean it's very

stable. I mean sometimes they get some

flooding. Like one time we were there

and like the the lobby of this place was

flooded. M it does flood, but it's also

it's so [ __ ] beautiful and the

architecture is so amazing. It's such a

gorgeous place and it just relaxes you

like instantly when you're there. You're

like, "Wow, I just want to have a

espresso and eat some pasta and just

chill out

>> last summer. It's one of the most

beautiful places I've ever been

>> and this [ __ ] dummy decides to just

pour green dye." And how much green dye

did you put in there? And what kind of

an effect is that going to have on life?

>> So, they claimed that it was

environmentally safe. Rah. I don't know

how environmentally safe anything of

that green color can be. Uh but yeah,

what was it? 48 hour ban and a $170

fine.

>> That's it.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Wow.

>> I should you should go to jail for a

night.

>> I think about this a lot, man. The um

in some ways I understand why the

rhetoric gets more and more

inflammatory. So if you care about an

issue, if you really really think that

this issue is important

>> and people don't listen, you start to

shout a bit louder and then you shout a

bit louder and then you shout a bit

louder.

>> The British are coming.

>> The British are coming. You know who

first said that?

>> Wasn't Paul River.

>> Bonnie Blue.

>> Who's that? [laughter]

>> She is the lady that slept with,57 men

in a day.

>> Oh, that poor lady.

>> Yeah. Um, so people don't listen. Do you

ever see uh Don't Look Up, that movie on

Netflix.

>> Funny. By the way, I missed that joke

because I didn't know Jamie got it who

that was. [laughter]

>> Jam got it from over there even with the

>> kind of proud that I can't recognize her

name though, honestly. I'll take that.

>> Yeah, it's probably a good sign. Um

people don't So, don't look up that film

with Leonardo DiCaprio a couple of years

ago. You remember it was like an

asteroid coming in.

>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

>> And um

>> it's a funny movie, right?

>> Kind like half funny, but kind of. It's

supposed to be a comment on the

impending doom of climate change and

nobody's listening, right?

>> Yeah. They're not correct. That's the

problem. You know, who are those two

gentlemen that we had in recently,

Jamie? The guy from MIT and the other

guy from was he from Yale or Stanford?

Where was he from? Anyway, these two

brilliant scientists who have analyzed

the data and one of them was going over

the actual

understanding the equations that you

would need to understand in order to

really be able to calculate what is

having an effect on the climate and what

is how many different factors there are

and all of them working synergistically

in some weird unexplainable way. And

then the cold hard reality of climate

data over the past x amount of millions

of years where it's always done this

glaciation and then the gl the glaciers

they recede and then you get higher

ocean levels. It's like constant. Every

12,500 plus years it goes up and down

and up and down and it never stays

static ever. It's never static. And the

real fear is not global warming. The

real fear is global cooling.

>> Why? Global cooling kills everything.

And we got that close at one point in

history to having such a low oxygen

level at this pl on this planet and such

a low carbon dioxide level because there

was no plant food, right, that these

[ __ ] plants almost died. We almost

lost all life on this planet. We've gone

like a few degrees from that happening.

This is a Glaciers are [ __ ] scary.

Ice ages are scary. When it gets warm,

you just move. And I know that sucks if

you're living in a city of 20 million

people, but it hasn't happened yet. And

they've been talking about it forever.

That [ __ ] stupid movie, An

Inconvenient Truth, was wrong about

everything. He should have to give back

every [ __ ] penny he made from that

movie. You were wrong about everything.

You scared the [ __ ] out of everybody.

And you were 100% wrong. One of the

problems I think people have is if you

really care about something and you're

convinced whether your conviction is

incorrect or not, you're convinced by

it. So what you do, you say a thing,

people don't listen,

>> right?

>> Say it a bit louder, people still don't

listen. Say it a bit louder again,

people still aren't listening. And the

problem is it's a misunderstanding about

what

compels and convinces other humans. Uh

what we think is if people aren't

listening, if I shout louder, they're

going to pay attention. What we don't

realize is that actually turns everybody

off because if you just see someone

throwing soup over a Van Go painting,

uh, turning the canals of Venice green,

gluing themselves to the M25 in London

and stopping people from being able to

get to work. Like, it gets attention,

but you're not looking for attention.

You're looking for conviction. You're

trying to compel people to believe the

thing that you believe. And I think that

it does the opposite. And I understand

why it's so seductive because you think

making it's cool to your own side to do

something uh flaming sword wielding

truthteller. I'm going to charge through

and look at how cool it is. But making

somebody feel stupid or embarrassed or

inconvenienced or upset is a really bad

way to change minds. So I think if

people really care about changing minds,

they need to realize and assuming that

they think that they're correct, they

need to realize that like intellectual

chasm from where they are and where

other people are and you go, "Okay, I'm

going to take you one step at a time."

So even if you were to accept that the

science and all of the stuff that the

climate change people believe in is

accurate, I still think that the

strategies that they're using aren't

going to be effective because I think it

turns more people off,

>> right? And

>> they're scolding.

>> They're shrieking scolding. And they're

not the type of people that you want to

talk to, so you avoid them. Ho ho.

Looking down from looking down from

Yeah, it's it's my British heritage.

[laughter]

>> Um,

it's It doesn't cause you to feel

inclined to support them.

>> The opposite. It causes you to want to

burn tires.

>> Yeah.

>> I want to buy spray paint and [ __ ]

hairspray and just blow it by my car.

>> Have you heard of the Cassandra Complex?

Do you know what this is? No.

>> [ __ ] brilliant, dude. So, uh, in

ancient Greek mythology, Cassandra is,

uh, given the gift of being able to see

the future by Apollo, and then she

rejects his advances. So, he curses her,

and he says that for the rest of time,

you're still going to be able to see the

future, but people aren't going to

believe you.

>> So, she foresees the downfall of Troy.

She warns everybody, people don't

listen. Troy burns anyway. And it's

basically being right, but early. So,

uh, Rachel Carson, she wrote that book,

Silent Spring, 1962. It's about, um, uh,

DDT, environmental epidemics.

>> She gets mocked by scientists,

castigated by everybody, but her work

led to the banning of DDT.

>> What year was this?

>> 1962.

>> Interesting.

>> Uh, Ignis Samlwise, like 1840s, he

realizes that doctors are transmitting

childbed fever from corpses to mothers

because they're not washing their hands.

M

>> so he begs his colleagues to start

adopting handwashing and he gets mocked

by academia. He dies in an asylum.

>> He dies in an asylum. That's how badly

he's treated. Germ theory of disease

gets a couple of decades later gets

proven. Edward Snowden who you've spoken

to like some people saw him as a

traitor,

>> some people saw him as a truth teller,

but I think everybody had a bit of

really is that what's going on? Few

years later it turns out yeah the

government is spying on you.

>> Yeah, 100%. and this Cassandra complex.

So if somebody ever says, "I'm a

Cassandra. I'm feeling like Cassandra

today.

>> I foresee this thing. You don't. You're

not listening to me. It's a big deal."

>> And the problem is the difference

between somebody being a a righteous

Cassandra with the ability to see the

future and just being a crazy person

who's being convinced by bad data or uh

like perverse incentives.

It's very hard to work out which one you

are.

>> Perverse incentives is the real word

because here's the thing folks, we do

have a horrible impact on the

environment. It's factual. It's

measurable. You can go see it. Um

there's many third world countries that

have rivers that are completely clogged

with garbage and plastic. That's real.

If you're not trying to stop that, but

you're railing about carbon, well,

carbon is a weird thing because carbon

is essential to plant life. It's the the

there's more green on Earth today than

there was a hundred years ago. And

that's because of our carbon emissions.

That is an inconvenient truth. All

right. [ __ ] Al Gore. That's an

inconvenient truth. So carbon is a part

of the Is it good that we're burning

stuff and putting it in the atmosphere?

No, I do not think it is. No, I'm not

arguing that. I'm saying that our impact

on the environment that is tangible and

disgusting is pollution. That's the

impact on the environment. And if you're

really thinking about our carbon

footprint and carbon taxes and carbon

incentives and you got to follow the

money like what what is happening here?

Well, there's a bunch of green

initiatives and those green initiatives

get funding and they get funding to the

tune of billions and billions of

dollars. And if you know anything about

any sort of nonprofit, like someone just

pulled up some there's a a nonprofit

about animals and they just released

what a what a [ __ ] scam it is.

There's so many of these nonprofits

where the vast majority of the money is

going to salaries. Like the most of the

money is going to salaries and there's a

tiny fraction of that money that gets

allocated to whatever that cause is.

>> Which is why it justifies people who

work for the organization to sustain the

organization's existence because that's

their

>> 100%. But there's no data. Here's the

thing. All of their predictions, all of

the climate change predictions are

totally inaccurate. Every single one by

all the doomsayers. So, you'd think they

would course correct. You would think

they would say, "Okay, no one's arguing

that the particulates that get emitted

into the atmosphere by coal plants are

not terrible for everyone." No one's

arguing that [sighs]

glyphosate is good for you. No one's

arguing that the poisons we're putting

in rivers and streams, no one's arguing

that's good for you. The stuff that gets

into groundwater, no one says that's

good. That's our real problem. Our real

problem is pollution. It's [ __ ]

terrible. There's a real problem with

waste. There's a real problem with

landfills. All that's real.

>> This carbon thing is a weird one. It's

it's a weird one to concentrate on

solely because it seems to have an

effect on the atmosphere. It has an

effect on the temperature of Earth, but

not what they're saying.

>> Can you think of a perverse incentive

other than people just want to keep

their jobs? Is there something else?

>> It's people keeping their jobs. It's

righteousness. It's virtue signaling.

And and it's also the extraordinary

amount of money that gets put into green

initiatives. It also helps people

campaign. When you're campaigning, if

you say climate change is real, we will

follow the science. Oh, thank God. you

get my vote.

[clears throat]

That's what happens. And these [ __ ]

dumb asses just fall for it every time.

It's It's not that it's a real impending

doom scenario. That's not real. It's not

real. It's not real. But what is real is

humans impact on Earth. So you got to

figure out why is this one thing Why are

they concentrating so much on carbon

>> when it's not a measurable thing? It's

not a thing where that you're you're

seeing this hugely detrimental effect by

this one action that we have. Well,

because someone's trying to make money.

It's it no one's doing it for your own

good. There's not a [ __ ] single

person on earth that's involved in any

of these big causes that's really

concerned about us. No, they're all

making money and they're all ma even if

they're not making money other than

their salary. If your salary is a

million dollars a year to run a charity,

maybe that charity is [ __ ] horseshit,

you know,

[laughter] because if you make a million

dollars a year, you're rich as [ __ ]

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to get somebody of the standard that you

need to run this charity at the level

that it needs to be run at, you need to

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What an amazing job you've done in

having zero. Please show me your

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>> Zero progress in any of your air quotes

science that you're you're pointing to

that's showing these prediction models.

All of their prediction models are wrong

>> and they always quote things that are

wrong like storms are stronger. There's

more they're more common. No, you're

just looking at a strong storm. If you

look overall, there's always been strong

storms. They're totally unpredictable.

>> Have you had Alex Epstein on? Do you

know him? uh the the case moral case for

fossil fuels.

>> Oh, okay.

>> Interesting dude. Um he has like one of

the most interesting stats that I

learned from him was climate related

deaths have decreased by 98%.

Over the last century.

>> Yeah.

>> So, one of the things that people don't

consider when they look at the cost of

um energy and energy production is that

you need to be able to protect. More

people are killed from heat than are

killed from cold. And you need to

protect from heat by using energy. And

if you're going to produce cheap energy,

some uh byproducts are going to be spat

out into the atmosphere. But the impact

of the creation of the energy is way uh

more effective at increasing human

longevity than the side effect of the

energy being made. Does that make sense?

>> Totally rational.

>> Yeah, it seems like that would make

sense.

>> Dude, I've had I've had um Richard

Betts, director of the IPCC,

Intergovernmental Panel on Climate

Change on the show. Uh Hannah Richie

from Our World in Data. Like I've really

tried to get a good balance on all of

this stuff, but Alex's position in that

area, which is it's a very luxury belief

to hold to talk about how green we must

be in the West when you have access to

unlimited energy. I think a billion

people worldwide don't have access to

reliable electricity. Like half a

billion people are still using wood and

dung in order to be able to produce

their electricity. That was the data

that he showed me the last time we

spoke. That means that if you've got a

baby that's on a a a ventilator in a

newborn baby that needs to be put on

like that baby dies. That baby dies

because that particular country does not

have access to clean to cheap and

reliable energy. Cleanness does not

matter for these people. Yeah, I've

heard that argument that the best result

worldwide would be to increase the power

supply to all these third world

countries and then you would have this

ability to start manufacturing doing a

bunch of different things that we

associate with the negative aspects of

the west.

>> You know, the negative aspects of the

west that cause pollution that cause all

these different things.

>> The problem is electricity is a real

bastard to try and move. I think the the

entire grid has got eight minutes of

battery backup. [laughter]

10 minutes of battery backup. It's it's

so little and it's so cumbersome and you

lose it as you transport it further. And

uh dude, I I I get it. Like I I really

believe that existential risks, climate

change included, are things that humans

should pay attention to. But if you were

to rank Toby or wrote this great book

called the precipice and he is from the

future of humanity institute at Oxford.

He wrote the best researchers in the

world. He got them to rank what are the

uh most dangerous existential risks to

humans. And it's a one in 10,000 chance

over the next century coming from

climate change. It's one in six from AI

or one in 10 from AI, one in 10 from

engineered pandemics, like one in 30

from natural pandemics. Uh there's so

many other huge issues that are really

pressing. I'm not saying that climate

change isn't a priority. I'm saying that

if you were to rank the priorities, it

actually starts to move pretty far down.

And when you think if people are worried

about the future of the world, they have

a worried about the future of the world

budget to spend, almost all of that is

going on climate change. Jamie, can you

try and get up? It's it's a a chart by

Toby OD. It's just called if you search

like uh uh the precipice chart Toby or

you can bring it up and you just think h

how much attention is being paid to all

of these other things like how much

attention is being p nuclear war I guess

gets a a little bit of attention but

slightly less so now but natural

pandemics engineered pandemics AGI uh

these are big deals and I I worry that a

lot of attention has been focused on to

one actually relatively inconsequential

at least in the immediate time.

>> No, go back. Do a a Google search for

me.

Uh, top left. Yep, that's it.

So, uh, nuclear war, one in 1,000.

Climate change 1 in 1,000. Other

environmental damage, one in 1,000.

Engineered pandemics 1 in 30. Unaligned

artificial intelligence 1 in 10.

Total the total risk is 1 in six. But

climate change is one in a thousand over

the next hundred years. A stellar

explosion. There you go. One in what's

that? A billion.

>> That's what we need.

>> I don't like that one. That one scares

the [ __ ] out of me. I I remember a

documentary I watched back in the day

that was about hypernovas. And when they

first started me measuring these gamma

bursts in space, they thought that maybe

alien races were at war with each other

because there's this enormous burst of

energy. And they realize it's stars

going hypernova. And how many of them do

it all over the universe? Because the

universe is so big

>> and there's just a single beam of

signals

>> like a death ray that gets sent out

across the universe.

>> Just unimaginable power and it happens

all the time. It's happening all the

time in the sky.

[laughter]

>> [ __ ] bing bing bing.

>> And if it happens anywhere near you, it

just takes out the whole solar system.

Takes out everything. If it happens in

neighboring solar systems, it takes us

out. Takes out everything. Yeah. You're

[ __ ]

>> Wow. If that's not a justification for

just living your life and getting the

[ __ ] on with it and not coloring the

Venice Canal green, [laughter]

>> I don't know what

>> Well, it's the, you know, it's the thing

that gets you attention, unfortunately.

That's really what all this is about.

You know, send her back to Israel.

They'll give her attention. They gave

her some great attention.

>> Uh I mean, I I'm kind of obsessed with

this idea of toxic compassion, which I

think is what you're talking about.

Yeah. So, uh, the prioritization of like

short-term emotional comfort over

everything else.

>> Mhm.

>> And, uh, I remember Elon was talking,

uh, a couple years ago, someone had

accused him of contributing to climate

change, so on and so forth. And he says,

I think I've done more to reduce climate

change than any other human on the

planet. that if you look at the EV

revolution being started by Tesla plus

everything else from a technology

perspective that we're doing, I think

that there's an argument to be made that

I've uh had a more positive impact on

the future of the climate than any other

human. He said, "What I'm interested in

is the reality of doing good, not

appearing good, and not appearing

[clears throat] to do good while doing

bad." M

>> and this the opportunity people have to

be able to look like they're doing good

while not doing it is exactly where this

toxic compassion thing leaks in. So for

instance um people will proclaim that

body weight has no impact on health over

a long duration even if this causes

overweight individuals to not take their

health as seriously and literally die

sooner. But we're here Joe you don't

understand. We're trying to be inclusive

here. We're trying to be understanding

of what's going on with these people. Uh

if someone was to say that a uh male

athlete has no advantage in a sporting

competition, uh because Joe, we're

trying to be inclusive. We're trying to

be empathetic. We care about these

people. Well, even if that's done at the

exclusion of female athletes, right?

People are prepared to show

they're prepared to do whatever is

needed to appear good.

>> Yes. And the alternative which is it

makes complete sense. Who wants to do

good while looking bad,

>> right? [snorts] That's the thing you're

saying is so important. They they will

sacrifice everything to appear that

they're doing good. That's because

that's really what they're worried

about. And that that is all stemming at

least in part I I should say not

stemming but certainly accentuated by

the social media world that we're living

in now because everyone has this

opportunity to appear like they're

something other than they are. They're

using filters. They're standing in front

of a lease car. There's all all the

above. They're doing things. They're

wearing cheap cheap fake jewelry.

They're trying to look like something

they're not. And there's a culture of

that. And there's also a culture that

that gets, well, I'm not one of those

cuz I don't care about material goods,

but I'm really interested in climate

change. And so then, you know, you join

up with whatever [ __ ] climate change

group that's yelling and shouting and

you carry a sign and you do all these

things that you're supposed to do and

you you get free water. The whole thing

is just it's it's a psychological game

that people are playing with themselves.

to try to appear that they're special

and to be in competition or in battle

with the other side, you know, but if

you're if you're in battle with people

that are saying um, hey, none of these

models are correct, hey, none of these

predictions have come to bear, zero, not

a single one, where they say the sea

level's going to rise, there's going to

be no more Miami, nothing, not a [ __ ]

thing has happened.

>> Like, you're wrong. Okay? So, we need to

figure out what's right. If we can all

agree that if we're doing something bad

to the planet and it's somehow or

another avoidable, let's work towards

that. But if you're telling me we're

doing something bad to the planet and

then when I say, "Well, show me." And

you can't. Well, what about all these

predictions? Well, they're wrong. Well,

what about all that movie that every got

everybody? Well, it was totally

inaccurate. Okay. Well, you can't use

that on your side anymore.

>> I never saw that movie. What was so bad?

What were the claims?

>> An inconvenient truth. Oh, let's find

out. put into perplexity what the uh

incorrect

>> I just I was already asking what what

did they get right and what did they get

wrong?

>> Yeah. What did it say?

>> That's typing it up right now.

>> I would get [ __ ] I guarantee you they

didn't get nothing wrong or they didn't

get nothing right.

>> You want to know which one you want to

start with? Right or wrong?

>> Um what the the predictions for cat

catastrophic events. What did he get

wrong about the predictions for

catastrophic events?

>> It's just uh

>> predictions that were incorrect. Rapid

sea level rise 20 feet. The film

depicted a potential sea level rise of

up to 20 feet 6 m in the near future

from the collapse of Greenland or West

Antarctic ice sheets. While this extreme

scenario is considered possible over

centuries or millennia, scientific

consensus does not support this

happening imminently, current rates are

much slower, even with acceleration

uh reaching 20 ft would take many

centuries. Uh another one, Mount

Kilimanjaro, glacier melt caused by

global warming. Go attributed the

shrinking of Kilimanjaro's glaciers

mainly to global warming, but later

research points to other major causes

like sublim sublimation and reduced

snowfall unrelated primarily to

temperature. Uh impression of imminent

chaos. The film often implies that

catastrophic outcomes like rapid ice

sheep collapse and dramatic sea level

rise might occur within decades when in

reality such processes are expected to

take much longer often centuries or

more. And then legal findings. A UK

court found nine errors of exaggerations

in the film mostly involving a lack of

clarity on time scales or oversimplified

attributions like Kilimanjaro.

Overall, climate scientists judged an

inconvenient truth as mostly accurate

with its projections, particularly in

broad trends, but criticized its

presentation for occasionally

exaggerating the speed and certainty of

some changes. Well, I think this is

Yeah, this is the thing. It's most its

climate scientists judged it. I'd like

to keep this climate hustle going on.

So, well, they were mostly accurate. We

do have a sincere problem. Stop putting

a British accent on when you do that.

Stop putting a British accent.

>> That's not even British. That's like a

fake British guy. That's like a posh

[ __ ] from Connecticut.

>> Okay. Okay. Okay. Uh but no, you're

you're right. The the lack of scrutiny

that people have of their behavior, the

distance between our opinions and our

deeds,

>> yeah,

>> never been greater. That's the internet.

And what it means is you're allowed to

do good

>> while appearing bad and do bad while

appearing good. And it's way easier to

do bad or to just not research or and

it's significantly harder if you're

like, I'm going to go out try and invent

something, try and push against an idea

or an ideology or a campaign for a a

movement that I think is really really

important and people are going to say

that I'm doing something mean or people

are going to call me names for doing it.

There's no incentive to do it. Why would

someone go why would somebody do that?

And I think that's what Elon's point is,

right? What I'm interested in is uh

doing good, not the appearance of it.

And I see a lot of people who are doing

bad while appearing good.

>> Well, you know, I think it's no through

no fault of their own. Young people are

indoctrinated into this world when they

start going to college that you have to

be active and to be an activist is to be

a good person and to be involved in

these campus activities is a good thing.

And there's also there's a tribal aspect

to it. You know, you're on a tribe of

people that are the people that are on

the right side of history. These are the

people that are kind and compassionate

unless you disagree with them. And these

these are the people that are they trust

the science unless it's inconvenient.

And these are the people that you know

you want to be in the educated minority.

You want to be [clears throat]

the people that get it and you want to

you it's very important that you use

your voice,

>> you know, and so they think they're

being good people. And I I get that and

I understand that. But it's being

weaponized against you and it's probably

not even funded by legitimate people.

It's most likely there's at least some

funding by some foreign entities that

are just trying to sew discord and make

sure that everybody hates everybody.

[laughter]

>> That' be a wonderful way to take down

any country, right? To make it feel as

if it was coming from inside.

>> Yeah, sure. There's a lot of that going

on. That's been absolutely proven. Uh

there was a thing recently with chat GPT

where they found out that these um

entities in China were using chat GPT to

argue about us a shutdown to like they

were just they they ran all these social

media accounts.

>> The Twitter account thing where you can

see where the accounts are based.

>> Yes, I know the

one of the ones that is like a fan

account of uh the JRE. People thought it

was me forever and I was like I didn't

correct it. It says I it made it say

parody accounts go or it says either

commentary account or parody account or

whatever fan run account just so you

don't think it's me because people do

things to me. It's in Asia. So someone

in Asia is doing that allegedly unless

he's got a VPN. I mean you could

>> you hardworking Asian supporting the Joe

Rogan podcast.

>> But you could, right? That's the

question. Like how do they know where

you're from if you sign up with a VPN

and you say I'm in the South Pacific?

Like how do they know?

>> I don't know. I don't know. I I

certainly know that um assuming that

you're on the right side of history uh

especially if you're in a big group is

often a a bit a dangerous position to be

in. So that Cassandra complex thing that

I was talking about before, um,

sometimes people might say it's your

duty if you believe in a thing to stand

firm,

>> right? You should you should make your

case known. You know, you're Ignis

Samlise, you know about the germ theory

of disease. You're Rachel Carson. You

know about the impacts of DDT. You're

Edward Snowden. You know about the the

surveillance that's going on. There's a

really wonderful example, the comparison

between Capernacus and Galileo. So,

Capernicus in the 1500s, he uh begins to

realize that the Earth might not be the

center of the solar system, let alone

the universe. And he has enough evidence

to justify it, but he waits until his

deathbed to actually sort of whisper out

his great work, which is the revolution,

this this work that he made. And he does

it on his deathbed presumably to avoid

the wrath of the church. Now, some sort

of hardline freedom fighting, you should

do it. Don't listen to the man. Don't

back down. Like just stand on your

principles. People would say, "Well,

that's a cowardly thing to do. You knew

what the truth was and you didn't stand

by it." A hundred years later, Galileo

comes along. He sees the moons of

Jupiter, sees the phases of Venus, sees

the pock marks on the uh surface of the

moon, and he realizes that the

heliocentric model, this like Capernac

revolution is true. Proclaims it from

the rooftops. What happens to him?

>> House arrest.

>> He gets put under house arrest. He gets

forced to recant under the threat of

torture and spends the rest of his life

under house arrest. So what you have

here, and I [ __ ] love this example so

much. I think it's so cool. It's two

guys 100 years apart with the same

realization and the justification for

the first one not saying what he didn't

say loudly is the treatment of the

second.

>> I think it's like just this perfect

explanation of irony. You know what I

mean? Like it's so perfect. Yeah, you

go. Well, the main issue that I have

with like basically being right and

early often feels a lot like being

wrong.

>> Mhm.

>> And if you make a an example of somebody

in that way, it is basically you saying

if you step out of line too far, this is

what's going to happen to you. And it

causes people who are trying to move

conceptual inertia forward. We're trying

to do research. I'm trying to assess

whether or not this is actually the way

that the world should be.

>> It causes them to be more capernicus,

not more Galileo.

>> And uh I think that's

that is not what you would want in a

civilization that's trying to continue

to make progress. You would want to be

accepting of new ideas and you would

want to encourage them as opposed to

cascading people. Do you think that

social media and the influence of other

people's opinions, it makes someone more

likely to

be able to think for themselves or less

likely? like more likely to be able to

examine preconceived notions, recognize

like, oh my god, maybe I'm biased or

maybe it's just like a group bias that

that I've accepted because of all the

people around me and I'm I'm I think I'm

I think this is wrong and I think this

is what I think is really going on or do

you think it encourages that kind of

thinking or discourages it?

>> I think it certainly encourages group

think very much so

>> but both right? Uh, it would open up the

opportunity for some people with a very

unique psychological profile. Yeah.

>> To be able to step back against

>> black helicopters. [laughter]

>> Yeah, there's a few guys out there I can

think of.

>> Um, but I think on average, what you're

seeing is basically this huge big swath

of people. For the first time ever,

you're able to aggregate um just how

much support or criticism something has.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, this is what like to dislike

ratios are. this is what upvote to down

votes are on Reddit. And um I I think

that that

>> that causes people most people don't

want to have to do the thinking of

coming up with an original opinion. I'm

sure that most of mine aren't original,

but given the fact that doing the

original thinking is hard, most of the

culture war is actually two armies of

puppets being ventriloquized by a

handful of actual thinkers. Most people

are just being brought along and pushed

along by people who came up with an

idea. And they're assuming, well, we've

done we know we we know this for a fact.

Well, it's interesting because both

sides know for a fact the thing that the

other side says is a lie. So, that can't

be true. Um, see, I I get the sense that

it causes people to uh adhere to the

crowd uh more more than they would have

done previously. And you also have to

think that if you're spending that much

time on it, like six hours a day, it's

one of the primary influences of your

life, probably more so than any other

media in the past, because it was very

rare as a child that you would listen to

six hours of the news. You wouldn't

really be indoctrinated into six hours

of whatever the latest cultural dilemma

was or the latest social issue was. You

wouldn't get that much of it. You get

people talking about it like normal

people do during the day or maybe you'd

be talking about a newspaper article you

read but you're not getting six hours of

it all day long. But now we are at least

six hours. I mean what is the let's find

that out. What's the average number of

hours a 18year-old kid is on social

media?

>> I would guess it's at least I would

guess social media maybe four or

>> let's just say their phone screen time

at least six probably more.

>> Yeah,

>> at least six probably more. And the mad

thing to consider here is your

parasocial relationships. People, think

about this. People will listen to your

show and listen to my show more than

they see their parents

>> by by a huge margin.

>> A huge margin. If you saw your parents

that much, it'd be kind of creepy.

[laughter]

>> The average screen time for 18year-olds,

7 to eight hours.

>> There you go.

>> Of total screen time per day is common,

though it varies a lot by person and

country. Okay. country has the least

amount of screen usage.

>> Dude, would you want to discount school

time, too? Cuz aren't they on screens

technically in school?

>> Um,

>> I mean, it's like you're asking phone

time, I guess, right? Not

>> Yeah, I think it's personal phones

they're talking about.

>> Are they on screens? Some of them

counting my laptop open in my screen

time because I'm connected to the same

like iOS system. So, I'm getting like 18

hours a day, but I'm like I'm not on my

phone 18 hours a day.

>> Interesting.

Um,

so let's guess like what countries.

Well, you'd have to have first world

countries for it to count,

>> you know? Like if you're in the Congo,

you probably don't get as much screen

time.

>> No, you're busy mining the [ __ ] Yeah.

>> raw materials.

>> Exactly.

>> Yeah. You're making the phones, not

using them,

>> which is the craziest thing of all that

the the thing that people virtue signal

on the most at the end of the line is

someone pulling an out.

>> Lowest global average.

>> Interesting. 3 hours and 56 minutes is

still a lot of time. That's That's kind

of crazy, but they're probably a little

healthier with it.

>> How is 9 hours and 24 minutes less than

10 hours and 56 minutes?

Like that how's that the highest global

average if 10 hours is the

>> That's weird.

>> I don't understand.

>> Yeah, close contender is more than the

highest global average.

>> I don't know.

>> Oh, get it. But either way, the

Philippines, they're killing the game.

10 hours and 56 minutes. Dude, there was

a a 2023 mental health report. Uh the UK

uh came in second most depressed country

in the world.

>> Second

>> second most depressed country in the

world.

>> UK.

>> UK. Yeah.

>> What's number one?

>> Asbekiststan.

>> So it's just just above

and just below South Africa. Uh

>> did the UK used to rank higher?

>> Uh yes. It's tracked down over time, but

it's never been superbly. I mean, we're

a we're misery is our like melancholy is

sort of our personality trait. It's our

national sport, right? Being a bit more

melancholic. Um, but yeah, the Ukraine

who are just about to go into their

fourth year of war came in higher and

Yemen, who apparently are going through

like one of the worst humanitarian

crises in human history, also ranked

higher than the UK. So, yeah, second

most depressed country in the world.

>> That's crazy. That's a wild number, man.

Um, that it can't just be the weather.

that it has to be like a

>> weather might contribute a little bit.

>> A little bit like Seattle does. Like

people in Seattle are depressed as [ __ ]

>> Maybe it's the online safety bill.

>> Could be. That would get me depressed.

[laughter]

>> I'd be so depressed if I lived in

England right now. I'd be like, I'm

[ __ ] Like legitimately [ __ ]

>> Like imagine if I was running this

podcast the exact same way out of

England.

>> Yeah. I'd get arrested.

>> I'd get arrested. I saw them. They

arrested a teacher because he refused to

um refer to one of his students as a

they and this was like his second

infraction. And so they they arrested

him for failure to recognize a singular

plural.

[laughter]

>> I look I really don't like I I don't

like [ __ ] on the UK because it feels

like I'm pulling the ladder up after

I've just got out of it. But it's just I

I don't know how many more ways you can

face plant over and over again. And

there's this bit there's a strange kind

of romanticization of the past of the UK

where we are English common law and we

we stopped the transatlantic slave trade

and we used the navy and so on and so

forth. But like we're we're really

living on borrowed time now as the UK.

It's been a good while since the UK sort

of contributed in that sort of a way.

There was a you know Alan Turing from

Turing effect.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh so he was the guy

that decoded the indigo machine. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So uh he was gay and

he was chemically castrated by the

British despite the fact that he was

literally our equivalent of the atomic

bomb. Right. He was like a very British

version as well. It wasn't kinetic, it

was cognitive. So he decodes the machine

that the Germans are using to send their

secret messages. This means that we're

able to detect exactly where the Ubot

are going to be. And it results in some

really awkward situations like if we uh

before we're going to use all of our

force to try and take Germany down. If

we avoid all of their planned bombings,

they're going to guess that we might

have the keys to some of their

communication. So, they had to start

making decisions about which boats

needed to be let attacked and which

boats needed to be saved.

>> Oh my god. They knew all of the

different attacks that were coming, but

if they got rid of all of them, if they

were safe from all of them, the Germans

would start to catch on.

>> So, they had this really

>> Oh god.

>> So, this guy, this guy is is our

equivalent of the atomic bomb, right?

He's our Oppenheimer.

He gets chemically castrated just after

World War II.

>> Was in the 50s, right?

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he kills

himself. He takes his own life. He puts

a cyanide in a in an apple. Oscar Wild

in the 1800s,

one of the greatest writers of all time,

he's jailed and then dies in exile as a

peasant in France because he was gay.

And then 70 years after uh touring,

Gordon Brown, it's like 2008, 2009,

publicly apologizes. They bring out this

thing called the touring act which uh uh

gets rid of the criminal records of all

of these people from history like

posthumis and some of them are probably

still alive actually like some of these

people that had been uh whatever it was

convicted of indecent behavior improper

behavior at the time uh and then they

put touring on the 50 note so Britain

has for all that it's fantastic and I

love it and it's the country that I came

from like it does have a history of

[ __ ] persecuting people for what's

deemed improper behavior at the time and

then apologizing for it a couple of

decades later. And I think with the

online safety bill thing just I think

it's going to be the sort of thing that

you look back on and go that that was

not in no one's world was that a smart

move. I don't think that it's a I don't

think that it's it's helping anybody at

all. Well, it just appears that they

want total complete control over what

people say over there and that they

don't want criticism of the government

and criticism about immigration and

criticism about, you know, fill in the

blank. They don't want it. And the best

way to stop that is to keep everybody

scared. Make everybody self-censor.

What's the best way to make everybody

self-censor? Put a bunch of [ __ ]

people in jail. So last year, what was

it? 12,000 12,000 people got arrested

for social media post

>> supposedly more than Russia. Although

the the Russian the Russian stats might

not be uh

>> Yeah. [laughter] Well, they didn't

arrest him. They just shot him in the

face.

>> They don't kill Goolag for you.

>> Yeah. They just kill folks over there.

But yeah, it's really bad. It's really

bad. And it just doesn't seem very

progressive. It doesn't seem like you're

moving towards the future. It's not

progress like this. We've figured out a

long time ago that free speech is very

important to figure out what's right and

what's wrong. And when you suppress

people's speech, you can get away with a

lot of [ __ ] horrible things because

you stop people from being able to

protest it.

>> You know, in a small part, we saw a lot

of that during the pandemic. And you

know, and you you you see what what the

consequences of that are. You you can't

trust people that want power. You just

can't.

>> What you mean? Well, anybody that wants

any kind of control over a group of

people, if you want to control what they

say, if you want to control where they

go, you want to put them in 15inute

cities, like you can't trust that

because the natural inclination when

someone has power is to never let it go

and to ramp it up. They're in the power

business. If you're in the power

business, you don't want to keep making

the same amount of money every year. You

want you don't want to have the same

power every year. That's boring, right?

Like, if you're an insurance salesman,

you want to be the [ __ ] employee of

the month. you want to make more money

next year, you got your eyes on a new

Lexus. You're trying to make more.

You're not trying to stay maintained.

That's not the game you're in. And if

you're in the power game and if you're

in the game of enacting new laws in

order to have, we need safety. Safety

under the guise of safety, you can get

so much evil [ __ ] done. And if you start

doing that, you're not going to say, you

know what, guys, we were that safety

bill. We were really wrong. And what's

really important is discourse. What's

really important is that maybe I wonder

why you think the way you think. And you

know, maybe part of this polarization

process is not enabling us to see valid

points the other side has. Let's all

come together and talk about this as

reasonable human beings. It's no, that's

not what they're going to do. They're

going to just come up with more [ __ ]

reasons to put you in a cage. [laughter]

They want you to shut the [ __ ] up

because they want to make more. They

want to have more. They want to get more

power. They want to be the best leader.

They want to be the most powerful

leader. Isn't that a ruthless part of

human nature that trajectory is more

important than position? Jimmy Carr

taught me this. Um, so your industry,

imagine that you're the uh 250th best

comedian in the world. Let's imagine

there's a ranking. Uh, and last year you

were the uh 300th.

>> You were in a more psychologically

preferable position than somebody who's

number two in the world, but last year I

was number one. this sense that humans

have of where am I now compared to where

I was previously.

>> Uh I spoke to Dan Bilzerian about this

forever ago and I was like dude you've

kind of climbed the the peak of the

mountain of hedenism. Uh did you ever

think that you kind of frontloaded it

too much and that it's going to be

really really difficult for you to ever

um like reset like do a hideonic reset?

How do you go from the most amount of

girls and the cars and the all the

dopamine that the world has to offer

like where do you go from there? And uh

he he basically said, yeah, he was like

uh I'm going to try I would consider

shaving my head and my beard and going

and working in an Amazon warehouse for 6

months to see if I can do like a hard

reset, but you always know that you've

got the get out of jail free card, so

it's not going to be the same. And uh

just that idea, as you're saying,

somebody has power,

>> they want more power,

>> right?

>> They want more power. They want more

control. That sense

>> that's the sport they're playing.

>> Bingo.

>> Scoring. They're scoring. You have to

keep score. Greta Tumbach, the same

thing. We need more eyeballs. We need a

bigger bigger because where do you go

after you've made the Rivers of Venice

green? Yeah.

>> Well, you need to do something bigger.

Something more.

>> I need more likes. That's That didn't

get me enough likes. I need more likes.

I need to go viral.

>> It's a ruthless

>> I'm being shadowbanned. [laughter]

>> No, you're not. Your content just sucks.

No one But some people get shadowbanned,

but most people that are shadowbanned,

they just suck.

>> Yeah. Most people just don't understand

that they're not interesting. But

there's definitely real shadowbanning

going on. One of the things that was

interesting is that once Elon purchased

Twitter, I gained like five million

followers over the course of like a

couple of months. I was like, "What's

going on?" It's cuz I was I was somehow

or another they had locked my followers

down. This I'm not complaining about

this. I'm just observing.

>> Uh I know I have a lot of followers.

It's ridiculous. But I I started I think

I had 7 million and it I I used to go up

pretty steady and then somewhere during

the woke days during the dark days of

woke when it all started happening which

is around I think 2014 15 16 it started

really ramping up and then it seems like

from 16 on real censorship started

really kicking into high gear because

then they had a reason for it. Donald

Trump is our president. We have to make

sure this never happens again. In fact,

there was a meeting I believe

I don't want to say the the tech company

because I might be incorrect, but one of

the people one of the main people at

this tech company specifically said at

the meeting, we have to make sure this

doesn't happen again.

>> As in

did a [ __ ] horrendous job there.

>> Well, they [ __ ] up. But the point

being, imagine you are in control of an

enormous platform, an enormous media

platform that controls the discourse of

untold billions of people in the world.

And you have a very specific mandate

that you've given to the people that

work for you. We have to make sure that

we control who the king is.

>> Cuz that's what you're saying. You're

saying we we got to make sure this

doesn't happen again. Well, how do you

do that? How do you do that if 50% of

the people don't agree?

>> By force.

>> There's only one way. You have to do it

by force. Or if you control the

narrative, then you just hide

information,

accelerate information that's incorrect,

you just ban people from communicating,

you kick people out.

>> Well, I mean, some people would say that

getting to choose who's king is what you

do if you then buy that social media

platform. Sure, there's a there's an

argument for that, like what Elon did.

There's a real argument for that. But

there's also an argument for don't you

think it's a good idea if we have at

least one of these [ __ ] that's

huge um that you can go wild wild west

on and say whatever you want. I I think

that's very important. You don't have to

agree with them. There's all these tools

you can use. One of them is the mute

button. You can mute people. Bye-bye. I

don't want to hear you anymore. You're

annoying. Or you can ban them. I don't

even want you looking at my page. get

out of here. There's those things exist.

Like you can curate who you're

communicating and interacting with, but

if you don't have one of these groups

that's resistant to intelligence

agencies shutting down legitimate

voices, including during the COVID

times, it was guys like Jay Bataria from

Stanford, guy from from MIT, because

they were saying something that didn't

jive with what the agenda that Fouchi

was pushing through. Where do you think

we're at now if you were to sort of

predict what the trajectory of the the

speech stuff is online? Talk about

America. UK I think is just a lost

cause.

Do you think that we're going to

continue on this general path which

seems to be a little bit more sanity

than the peak?

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I think people realize from the peak and

most importantly realize from Elon's

purchase of Twitter. When Elon purchased

Twitter, and I don't say this lightly, I

think he changed the course of

civilization. I really do. I think we

were on our way to this weird dystopian

censor censorship complex that was

already moving. We had already had

intelligence agencies that were

contacting Twitter. We know this through

the Twitter files. And they were banning

certain people that weren't saying

incorrect things, but they were saying

things that were inconvenient.

>> And they they turned out to all be

accurate. All the things that they were

warning about, all the things that they

were saying, all turned out to be

accurate. They stopped the the

distribution of the Hunter Biden laptop

story by the New York Post. The New York

Post, the second oldest newspaper in

America. It's a [ __ ] huge newspaper.

To stop that from being able to be

distributed on Twitter, which turn it

would turn out to be a totally accurate

story. And to stop that accurate story

is wild. That is scary stuff. that if

Elon didn't purchase Twitter, we would

have just had to deal with that kind of

stuff. That would be and it would

accelerate. It wouldn't stay where it

is. It would ramp up. It would get more

there would they were started using the

term malinformation. So there's

misinformation,

disinformation, and then malinformation.

Malinformation is factual information

that might cause harm.

>> Can you give me an example of

malinformation?

>> Children don't need a COVID vaccine.

That's malinformation because it is

true. Statistically speaking, like

especially healthy kids, they they kick

it off like it's nothing. They don't

need a vaccine for that. But that might

cause people to not get vaccinated and

that might kill your grandmother. So

that's malinformation.

>> Can you think of an example of

malinformation where it's justified

in doing that?

>> Yes. I would say like

if you had some information and you uh

were go you were releasing it online

that was uh an accurate depiction

of some things that the federal

government is involved with that would

compromise national security to achieve

people overseas uh yeah would get people

killed start conflict

>> here's another one that I've just

thought of uh um how to you know those

desktop um DNA printers uh this is how

to put small pox together

>> right

>> right something like that

>> something which is true but would be

would be dangerous and this is the

devil's in the [ __ ] details 100%

stuff like this

>> it's ne it's never binary it's never

incorrect

>> sometimes it's binary sometimes I

shouldn't say never

>> yeah some things are binary

>> sure

>> like whether or not you should win a

[ __ ] world's woman stronglifting

strongman power woman competition

>> [laughter]

>> That just happened. I thought we were

done with that. It just happened.

>> Well, do you know why it was able to

happen? It's because that person lied.

That person lied about their sex.

>> Oh, interesting.

>> Jamie, can you try and uh pull up an

image of the current 2025

World's Strongest Woman winner, please?

Um, just for clarity, Mitchell Hooper,

that is the world's strongest man,

Canadian dude, he's 6'3, 330.

The person who won woman's strongest man

is 6'4 and 400 lb. She makes the current

World's Strongest Man look like an

infant.

>> Oh, World's Strongest Woman, women

stripped of title after organizers

discovered she was born a man.

>> That was an hour ago, dude.

>> Okay, so an hour ago they stripped her.

Is that the person? Yep. Jamie Booker,

disqualified.

>> That's a man.

>> Uh,

>> are you sure?

>> It appears the athlete who is

biologically male and now identifies as

female competed in the women's open open

category. Uh, they were unaware of this

fact ahead of the competition and have

been urgently investigating. I want to

know what urgent investigation is.

>> They went on Twitter. [laughter]

>> They did it. So, that's that's a

biological male. That's interesting.

Correct.

>> It looks like just a big lady. Had we

been aware or had this been declared at

any point before or during the

competition, this athlete would not have

been permitted to compete in the women's

open category. The move comes after

runnerup uh Andrea Thompson, British,

hey uh was filmed storming off the

podium as she raged about the [ __ ]

decision toward the title. So the other

com competitors evidently knew.

>> Uh okay. So Thompson is now the winner.

So the UK gets the gold. But I think I

think about this so much when it comes

to sporting competitions and it's not

just with the the the trans thing

although this is a huge deal and I did

think that we kind of got past it.

>> How horrible is it to be the person who

won but had that moment the podium

moment stolen from you by somebody? I

think there's a a weightlifting Olympics

weightlifting championship final where

currently like the 11th place finisher

is now first because each person has

progressively got popped for peeds.

Number one did number two did the number

three did it's like 11 people have been

popped for peeds now.

>> Well that's the tour to France. You

know, when they took away Lance

Armstrong's title, the tour to France,

what they didn't tell you that if you

want to go and remove all of the people

that have tested positive for something,

you got to go down to like 18th place.

[laughter]

For real. For real. Like all those guys

were doing something. They were all

blood doping. They were all taking EPO.

They were all They were putting motors

in their [ __ ] bikes.

>> I've seen a video of that.

>> Yeah. They were

these guys try for [ __ ] every edge

humanly possible. So, you know, he was

just a scapegoat. But what what he was

doing was he was suing people that were

saying that he did peeds.

>> It's a smart way to silence them. But

yeah, I I [laughter]

>> I mean, sort of

>> thinking about I would be really

interested to see what the reaction is.

That's hot [ __ ] wet clay stuff,

right? Hot off the press a couple of

hours ago that it's been

>> rescended. I think we would be more

outraged if they accepted this

transgender person as a female and then

say, "Oh, a trans woman's a woman. Let

her compete." It seems like this person

lied. And so that's different,

>> but still identify. So I agree that it's

uh reassuring to see what the world's

strongest person organization uh decided

that they were going to do in in a sort

of repercussion to it. But you you can

already predict both of us can already

predict what's going to happen online

that this person shouldn't have been

stripped of their title. Maybe they

lied, but they should be competing

inside of this the the side of the aisle

that always agrees with this. Do you not

think that they're going to be pro?

>> I think that is slowly but surely losing

traction and support. I really believe

that. I believe that's where the rubber

meets the road [sighs]

because you're going to lose most women

that have ever done a sport. You know,

if you are a sedentary woman that has no

interest whatsoever in athletic

competition and you think it's more than

a good price to pay to let biological

males who identify as women because we

want them to be exclusive, it's more

important to to recognize and affirm

their identity than it is to be fair.

You haven't done any sports. So you're

going to lose not just most of the men,

you're going to lose a lot of you're

going to lose anyone right of center

like libertarian anyone anyone you're

going to not just lose all of the right

you're going to lose a giant chunk of

the center because I think the center in

this country is probably the most

rational of all groups those are the

those are the people that recognize go

kind of a little bit of everything here

you know and right of center or left of

center you're going to lose all those

people and you're going to lose most

women. You're going to lose most women

that have gone to most women that have

daughters. You're going to lose them.

The only ones you're not going to lose

are the [ __ ] cooks. The SSRI

filled up anti-anxiety medication

transitioning happy cooks. Those [ __ ]

cooks that you know think that you you

have a hierarchy of who's oppressed the

most and trans people are people. trans

women are women and they want to scream

it out and yell. They're just crazy.

You're you're going to have those people

that aren't going to be with it no

matter what.

>> Get into the boxing ring with that trans

woman who is a woman.

>> The one that was a man that lied that

the the Olympic champion that they just

took away his gold medal.

>> Flip-flop. That story flip-flopped back

and forth like 10 time. It was like a

Christopher Nolan movie to me that

>> because that person was threatening to

sue a bunch of people, right? They were

threatening to sue a bunch of people

that called them a male, but then

>> rescended it, made a statement.

>> Let's put this through perplexity or

something

>> where we could figure out a patent.

>> I want to know what the number is. I

want to know what what what's what's

true because what I think is there was

another organization that did a

chromosome analysis and found out this

person had an XY chromosome. So this is

specific type of disease or um genetic

abnormality where your testicles don't

cases again. So strange ask it

>> um ask it

did that person get their gold medal

taken away and why

>> but they well yes they did

>> right but like and why just see what I

know but let's see what it says as far

in terms of why why because they're a

man and how did they find out

>> find out how they found out because I

think the narrative is that there was

another boxing organization that had

already suspected something was up

>> did some testing

>> did some testing found out this person

has an XY chromosome use that,

>> you know.

>> So,

won the Golden Women's 66 kilogram

boxing event uh stripped now drecognized

International Boxing Association

previously disqualified Khalif from the

2023 Women's World Championships after

she failed eligibility tests under its

own rules. Later claimed those tests

showed she was ineligible for women's

competition. Because of these tests, IBA

officials, some media, and advocacy

groups have publicly demanded the IOC

strip or reclaim her gold medal, arguing

that she could not have been allowed in

the women's should not have been allowed

in the women's category. Like, they're

still saying she. Despite those demands,

IOC has defended allowing Khalif to

compete in Paris, describing the IBA's

disqualification decision as arbitrary

and saying she met the IOC's eligibility

criteria at the time. Um, so what is the

IOC's

cred? What is their eligibility

criteria?

>> Boxing must be a [ __ ] nightmare for

this because of all of the different

organizations that exist and each one is

going to have its own different set.

They have a coordination problem here.

>> Here's an even more here's a bigger

nightmare. Prisons [laughter]

prisons have a a selfidentity thing. In

order to be eligible for female prisons,

there's a lot of prisons including I

believe New Jersey, California.

California has 47 biological males that

are housed in women's prisons.

>> Okay.

>> At least.

>> Are they So, who runs a prison? Is it

the state? Is it an independent

organization?

>> Some of them are independent. Some of

them are privately owned.

>> Uh chromosome test results were kept

confidential by the IBA, but were leaked

after and widely reported. The IOC

nonetheless rejected IBA's findings as

arbitrary even with the chromosome test.

[sighs]