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>> Kid in a candy shop. We hacked the
government. We hacked the government's
files, evident. I mean, this is We have
three and a half million files that it
feels like we should not have. It would
have been great to have had seven years
ago in 2019 when this was being
litigated, but it's an incredible moment
of transparency for how the world works,
how governments interact with the
private sector and funds, and it's just
really cool to be a part of it.
>> What was the holdup? What was the
because it seemed like there was a lot
of people that did not want these files
released.
>> Yeah, I thought about this a lot.
What we have access to now are internal
documents from the Justice Department
and the FBI that are normally even
though they're not classified, they are
part of a criminal investigation and so
they're not normally disclosable to the
public. Um, it could be the case that it
kind of required a congressional bill to
force this out. Like when you if if
there's a internal investigation and
it's not a part of a court document
that's entered into evidence,
you can't just foyer the Justice
Department to get dirt on your political
enemies because you think that they
might be involved in something.
Now, I don't know if it could have been
done through an executive order around
Epstein transparency around the time of
the first binders. Certainly, it looked
like there was friction between the
president and Thomas Massie over this
issue. Um, but I don't I don't know the
details of what went down there, but the
fact is the bill passed 427 to1 in the
House.
>> Who's the one?
My recollection is that it was Randy
Fine, but I might be wrong on that. So,
I don't want to smear.
>> There was one person or imply anything
unduly.
>> They didn't want it released because
they thought it would compromise the
victims, right?
>> Uh,
>> at one point in time at least.
>> Yeah. I
I don't know what the what the
rationale, you know, is. And because I
don't recall off hand who the one is, uh
I don't want to lean on that too much,
but uh the fact is is nobody wanted to
be on the other side of this. I can't
think of anything that both Republicans
and Democrats voted on 427 to1 and oh
sorry, Klay Higgins, sorry, apologies to
Randy. Fine. Uh yeah. So
um there was the
I mean there was obviously friction
because this implicates everybody
Republicans and Democrats uh Americans
and a dozen different foreign countries
uh heads of major hedge funds and
multinational corporations donors to all
political parties major university and
science institutions.
Uh I mean
almost every major player in world
affairs was
in some way
either either involved in or adjacent to
this network or the network tried to
reach out to them because they were
influential. And so, you know, there was
kind of a mutually assured destruction
around the Epstein hot potato for a
decade now, which is that, you know, out
of power, the Republicans said, "Oh, the
Democrats are don't want to disclose
this because of the Clintons." And then
the Trump administration gets into power
and there's a very slow, you know,
reaction to the kind of disclosures that
culminated in what happened this week.
And so you had the Democrats saying,
"Oh, they're not disclosing it because
of, you know, Trump world and his
associates." Meanwhile, they controlled
the Justice Department and the FBI for
four years and didn't release any. Uh,
so, you know, it it took a moment like
this. And what's what's really
interesting about it is this bill only
compelled the disclosure this law that
passed in Congress only compelled the
disclosure of
Justice Department originated files.
Justice Department by extension FBI is
the investigative arm of the Justice
Department. It does not compel CIA
originated files.
And uh one of the coolest moments of
transparency we had last year in 2025
was when Tulsi Gabbard as the you know
ODNI as the head of director of C of
national intelligence in charge of the
whole intelligence community spearheaded
the uh JFK files release and we got
basically fully unredacted
documents. Now, I know there's contest
over how complete they are, but the fact
is is it was hundreds of thousands of
files that had never been seen before or
unredacted versions of documents that
had been fully or partially redacted for
decades. The only reason that we have
JFK JFK files at all is because in 1992,
Congress passed a bill to force the CIA
to start turning over documents. The
law, I believe, was called the JFK
Records Collection Act.
And it forced by law the uh the CIA to
establish this independent
presidential assassination review board
that would review documents for
declassification and compel uh you know
on the basis of that independent body
given all of the intelligence intrigue
around Epstein and the fact that it is
in my view physically impossible over
Epstein's 40-year career career in
intelligence adjacent work that there
was that there's not Epstein files that
are CIA originated and we actually
you know I I saw this in the files that
were just released Jeffrey Epstein
himself twice foyed that's the Freedom
of Information Act
uh which which is a law that I think
came around in 1966 which allows any US
citizen and to ask any government agency
for all public records that it has about
anything. There are certain things that
get blocked in that this is there were a
lot of foyer fights about co uh you know
Fouchy famously there's this exchange
where um you know one of the folks in
Fouchy world says that uh they learned
cool tricks from the foyer lady about
how to get around requests but the fact
is you can foyer the CIA for records. uh
because it that foyer forces the CIA to
give you declassified
or unclassified records and if it's
classified it'll issue a glowar
>> we cannot confirm or deny the you know
and the existence or non-existence of
you know classified information.
>> Can we before we get any further the JFK
stuff I never heard anything about it. I
mean I know the files came out but there
was no big revelations. There was no was
was there anything that came out of that
that was significant?
>> I thought it was huge. I I learned a
>> I guess people
are looking at the JFK files. Most
people are looking at it for clues as to
who killed JFK. And I know that there
are many researchers who specialize in
the JFK assassination
um that have sharpened their theories I
suppose on the basis of it in a useful
way for for whatever it's worth. Uh for
me I
you know was never expecting to see a
CIA document saying uh you know I James
Jesus Angleton authorized the
assassination of of uh president of the
United States. Uh but the fact is is
what it revealed were all of these
tangential and ancillary documents that
showed the structure of intelligence
work at a very fine and detailed level.
The kind of revelations that really only
come around once in a generation.
There's a there's a video online by
Michael Paranti who's a CIA
whistleblower around the time of the
Iran Contra hearings in the 1980s
and he says pay attention to these
hearings. This may be the last time for
another 20, 30, 40 years that you ever
get an inside look at the at the
detailed
minutia of a covert operation because
all this was being blasted on a
congressional jumbotron with hearings
and formal congressional investigations
and public testimony. And
there's I sort of look at the JFK files
released like that. We got a very
detailed look at everything that was
happening around effectively operation
mongoose. Uh the because
>> can you refresh my memory? What was
mongoose again?
>> Yeah. So, so we h so there was operation
mongoose and operation condor which were
which were related to the
nominally what you'll read is that they
were related to the attempts by the CIA
to for Mongoose for example to uh
destabilize the government of Cuba in
order to induce a regime change but
because those efforts proved
unsuccessful they regionalized the
conflict to uh do countercommunism work
effectively
uh throughout all of Latin America, the
Caribbean, South America, and uh
Operation Condor was effectively a kind
of counter counterinsurgency strategy to
stop the rise of left-wing Marxist
groups who were trying to throw off the
yoke of American imperialism, so to
speak, as they put it. And so you had a
a massive CIA operation to try to tilt
the internal politics of
basically every country south of the
border. And we got incredibly just deta
I'll give you an example of one
declassified document that's really
wild. Uh there there's one document that
uh is a CIA file with instructions to uh
delete all physical copies of the
document at the end that describes how
the agency had internally authorized an
attempt to assassinate,
you know, Castro by working through
the Meer Lansky syndicate and hiring two
hitmen
uh that were in Miami and then had but
had contacts with the Cuban exile
community liaison within Cuba. And so
this was a this was a formal agency file
that described how a CIA case officer
made contact with people from the mob
organized crime uh with offers of pay
payoffs with very detailed logistics.
You can find this I did a whole video on
it on my the like ex subscriber thing.
I'll I'll you know uh put it on the top
of my social media. But the but it also
describes a really interesting
Jeffrey Epstein like
uh figure Robert Mayhew was a CIA asset.
the J the JFK files.
They describe how they got uh they
sponsored a a movie
to simulate I believe it was the
president of Indonesia
uh having an affair with a blonde woman.
They filmed a
basically like a porno that would uh and
create and to create a tape. And they
had very they describe how they set up
the the room to make it look like it was
I think in in the presidential palace or
some hotel room that was would have been
in in uh in that country in order to
create what's effectively a sexual
blackmail tape that could then be uh
leaked to the press in order to
discredit the president. And you know,
you look at these in formal agency files
and on the one hand you go, okay, that
was the 1960s. That was the that was the
early 1960s. That was before there was
any oversight on the CIA at all. It
wasn't until the Church Committee
hearings in 1975, 1976 that we even had
congressional oversight of the CIA.
There was no Senate Intelligence
Committee. There was no House
Intelligence Committee at the time. And
at that point, assassinations had not
been outlawed. I mean, the CI was
allowed to assassinate people. There
there's since been a ban on that. So,
you go, okay, that's 60 years ago. Uh,
but the fact is they did it. The fact is
is that is within the array of options
that folks in covert operations saw as
on the table.
>> Working with the mob.
>> Working with the mob. Now, but that goes
back a long time. I I found it totally
unsurprising. It's one of these things.
It's just kind of the general theme.
It's shocked but not surprised. You
know, it's like, "Holy crap, they they
put this in writing.
What are we doing here, guys?"
But you're like, "But I'm not surprised
they did it because I know they were
doing all these other things." The fact
is is the CIA was working with the mob
before there was a CIA.
before it was done by the CIA, uh work
with, for example, the the Italian mob
was was done through the Department of
War in the n really starting in the
1930s
and then especially in the 1940s because
they were the central intelligence
agency. Well, at the time it was the OSS
in the 1940s, but it would become the
CIA. the one of their main logistical
points of contact and allies for the
resistance against Mussolini in Italy.
Mussolini was cracking down both on the
Vatican church and on the Italian mafia.
And so, uh, there were strange bed
fellas. There's a great book on this by
Paul Williams. I think it was published
in 2017. It's called Operation Gladadio,
the CIA, the Vatican, and the mob. And
it's I I recommend this book to everyone
because it's a really really detailed
academic
deep dive on this nexus between a
religious institution, an intelligence
agency,
uh an illegal organized crime syndicate
that does all manner of black ops. And
it especially focuses on the funding
relationship. In fact, this just came
out and this sort of gets to the utility
of these documents. There's an
incredible
document that just was released this
week where Larry Summers, who was the
head of the US Treasury, so not only was
he the head of Harvard University and
the and the head of the American money
system, um,
but he he says to he's trying to explain
to Jeffrey Epstein kind of the the
politics of what's happening in the
Vatican. And what he says to him is that
what's what's actually most important
going on right now is what's happening
with the Vatican bank, which is kind of
the uh the deep politics of the Vatican.
And you know, I saw this email and I
just, you know, laughed and did a
little, you know, twirly thing in my in
my chair because it's it's totally
unsurprising if you read, you know, that
book Operation Gladadio that I that I
mentioned,
it it traces 80 years of this because
the the Vatican Bank was the first
offshore bank before offshore banking
even existed.
It was util there was an alliance with
the Vatican bank during World War II
itself with our department of war and
with organized crime outfits at least
according to the evidence that I find
persuasive in this book and that uh
appears to be validated by Italian court
documents in the 1990s when all this was
litigated. Incidentally that was when
the mob was really prosecuted for the
first time.
But effectively what happened was is you
had strange bedfellows. You had the
United States who wanted to get rid of
Mussolini. You had the Vatican who
wanted to get rid of Mussolini. And you
had organized crime who wanted to get
rid of Mussolini. And because organized
crime is very deep in the logistics and
unions. They control the ports, they
control the the streets, they control
safe houses. Um, and if they have allies
in a bank, they are able to launder
money effectively in order to do black
market, you know, type trade.
And if you have for example the support
of the US government to facilitate that
that and there's protection offered to
those organized crime groups what what
you end up having having is effectively
state sponsored a a state sponsored
mafia with an untouchable bank. And at
the time the vat because and Larry
Summers explains this to to Jeffrey
Epstein in very simple terms which is
which is yeah here you go the most
important change in the Vatican may not
be Pope Benedict son retirement but
change in leadership of the Institute
for Works of Religion the bank the
Vatican's bank because the Vatican's
status as a sovereign country it's
exempt from transparency rules of not
only Italy but of the European Union.
This status allows its elite clients to
evade any scrutiny in their money
transfers. Last May, Vatican Bank
president was fired after Italian
authorities opened an investigation into
a far-flung bri bribery scheme. and he
goes through this, but what's what's
important here is the British when we
think of offshore banking now, it's it's
usually associated with
>> Cayman Islands,
>> Cayman Islands, you know, Jersey, man,
uh, Panama, uh, you know, but well,
Panama is sort of a different story, but
it it's usually associated with these
kind of small island countries that are
formerly, you know, kind of their own
territory, their own sort of sovereign
territory. You also see this within the
United States in
Indian Native American reservations with
these kind of autonomous zones that can
be shielded from certain kinds of um you
know public disclosures that a typical
finance institution
>> that's going on with Native American
banks.
>> Well, yeah. This this was actually part
of
>> is that connected to the casinos because
they have a lot of money from the
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>> Yeah.
>> Wow.
>> Yeah. In fact, if you watch The Octopus
Murders, which I think was HBO or
Netflix or or one of those,
>> it's great. I haven't seen it, but I
It's awesome.
>> It's fantastic. And you know, it it it
goes through how this was used
effectively by the NSA during the
promise software scandal and the Iran
Contra scandal of the 1980s where you
had basically the NSA and then the US
government uh running money laundering
effectively through you know casinos on
uh on Native American sovereign
territory. But the fact is is in the
1940s, the Vatican Bank was really the
only game in town. This traces back at
the CIA level to a lawyer named Paul Hel
who was kind of the the architect of of
money laundering for for the CIA. And it
it didn't even start in well really
started with the the attempt to try to
stop Mao in the 1930s and 1940s.
Um there was there were the opium wars
in the 1830s where
effectively the British Empire
and you know the East India trading
company were making ungodly amounts of
money by selling opium to China. They
would grow the opium on the golden
crescent or India and then they would
sell it to China with a huge customer
base which would bring in huge amounts
of revenues to the British crown. Uh and
then there were two opium wars that were
fought in the 1830s
and 50s I believe around then or and the
opium wars were China's attempt to stop
the import of opium into China because
it had a huge by that point uh opium
addiction problem. Opium dens in China
were a massive issue within the country.
They tried to ban it and the British
crown pried open the narcotics market
through a military conquest of parts of
China. That's how Britain got control of
Hong Kong, which remains a major narco
narot trafficking site connected to
Jeffrey Epstein in very weird ways. I'll
just sidebar that. Uh but Mao rose to
power to re you know uh in the name of
his public campaign was about rejecting
the century of humiliation between the
1830s and the 1930s to support Shanghai
uh and the Quuoman Tang the Chinese
nationalists against the Chinese
communists. The war department couldn't
get enough congressional allocations
taxpayer money to support that. So they
had to find some way to finance the
forces that are now effectively Taiwan
because when they ultimately lost they
fled to the island of Formosa which is
now Taiwan. But they they financed that
initially, the war department, the the
Chinese nationalists through the
narcotics trade through the basically
the narcotics cultivated in the Golden
Triangle. And these operations continued
in Cambodia and Laos and were a big part
of the JFK
expansion of of covert operations to
this day in Fort Bragg. The you know the
special operations training center is
called the JFK.
This was a massive expansion of small
wars, covert action instead of big
military action. So it was mostly
spearheaded by CIA rather than DoD or
Department of War. But what happened was
is Paul Hawwell in in order to
be able to traffic illegal narcotics
created a bunch of these CIA banking
structures. One's called Castle Bank and
Trust uh in the Cayman Islands. Another
one hand in Australia. Uh and when you
have that, you know, friendly bank
that's protected, then you can move
drugs. This is this overworld underworld
alliance between intelligence and
organized crime because basically every
intelligence operation
is is a I don't want to say every, but
at the operational level, it's a crime.
It's an act of uh sabotage. It's an act
of subversion. It's an act of
obstruction. It's an act of illegal
surveillance. So, uh, in order to do a
illegal crime,
uh, you don't want to do it yourself
because then your fingerprints are on
the gun. But if you know people who do
illegal crimes for a living in an
organized way and have experience in
doing it, that allows you to be a very
useful extension and it gets justified
in the name of national security. The
illegal narcotics trade set up by Paul
Hawwell, who would go on to be the main
lawyer for Disney and set up Disney
World in Orlando. You can look all this
up. You can pull up Paul Hawwell's
Wikipedia or you can look at the history
of Disney or you can pull up Castle Bank
and Trust. You can put any one of these
up on screen. This is all fully
declassified. Uh and so they then took
that model to South South America and
Latin America and the Caribbean during
Operation Condor, Operation Mongoose.
And this is part of what gave r gave
rise to the Iran Contra that spawned
Jeffrey Epstein, which was the CIA got
busted running a the same thing it did
in in 1940s China, which was a drugs for
cash for guns operation. You cultivate,
you can't get enough money in USAD. You
know, in the 1940s, USAD didn't even
exist.
You You can't get enough money from US
taxpayer dollars. You can't get enough
money from private donors who will draft
off of the regime change for their own
profit. So, how do you get how do you
get your resistance rebels enough money?
It's that usually comes down to black
market trade, whether that's diamonds in
Africa, whether that's illegal mining
activities in South America, or whether
that's narcotics. And it's the the best
things to use for this kind of covert
financing are small fungeable physical
materials that can be converted into
large sums of cash. Uh you know, for
example, like a truck full of cocaine
can fund an army. Uh you know, a truck
full of copper can't. And so you had
this state sanctioned drug trade, this
state sanctioned illegal weapons
logistics apparatus, and the state
sanctioned money laundering apparatus
that started in the 1940s
and was utilized throughout the entirety
of of the cold war. the on on the mafia
side in the night
operation gladadio was this stay behind
network is what they what they said
basically these were um right-wing
groups many or some of which uh were
kind of Nazi adjacent who hated
communism and so even though we fought
against the Nazis in Mussolini and
Hitler in World War II there was a
utility to
preserving a certain homegrown domestic
network that really hated communism to
assist us on the ground in the war
against communism. And what you saw was
in Operation Gladadio, this was a
NATOwide
covert
network uh alliance of networks, a
network of networks that in basically
every one of the NATO countries there
was a cell or a number of cluster cells
that were set up in order to covertly
influence the domestic politics of the
country. And if you look at the members
of these cluster cells, there's some of
the,
you know, like Sylvio Berlescone was a
part of the the so-called P2 lounge uh
that was that came up in the operation
gladiopiles when the Italian government
uh basically put put all this on trial
in the 1990s. And that structure is
still used by intelligence today. If if
you go to my X feed and you look up uh
for example
Annapplebomb and the thread that I did
on the integrity initiative, if you just
put integrity initiative and I can I can
show you what these cluster cells look
like. Uh and it's it's a it's
fascinating to look at the
organizational structure of it. But I
guess what I'm what I'm getting to here
is with
with the mob and the Vatican at the at
that time that was the only game in town
for offshore banking if you wanted to
have a bank that had no oversight
whatsoever. When the British lost the
Suez Canal in 1957
and basically had to give up their
empire, this is during
decolonialization.
the the British Empire transitioned from
a physical empire to a financial empire
and moved heavily into offshore banking.
That's how you got these kind of you
know BVI British Virgin Islands Cayman
Islands you know Jersey man all these
kind of British offshore banking hubs
and with London as the capital of
international finance you you the
British Empire was was effectively able
to maintain a comparable level of
imperial vassal state control without
having physical troops or or physical
territorial control. And so the Vatican
Bank has lost a lot of its um rank, I
would say, in the international finance
system since the 1940s because the
market's so saturated now with offshore
banking hubs. But that explains what's
happening in this Larry Summers Jeffrey
Epstein exchange.
One of the weirder things about these
files is there's some stuff in there
that you go, okay, one thing that we
know happens is when something is true,
a bunch of stuff gets attached to it
that's both not true and also
preposterous that allows you to sort of
dismiss all of it together. There's a
lot of people thought about that with
Pizzagate and there's some stuff that I
saw online that was like George W. Bush
was like involved in ritual sacrifice or
you know things things along those lines
like killing babies and eating people
and wild [ __ ]
>> Yeah.
>> What do you think that stuff is?
>> I don't know. I I don't
>> Do you think it really occurs?
>> What I'll say is
this is a bad week to be a total
pizzagate deniialist. you had you you
would feel a lot more comfortable about
it a week ago than you would this week.
I don't particularly
focus or I don't want to say care. I
don't I don't my knowledge set on it is
a lot more limited on it because I don't
think it's a central crux of um
political influence. Uh, I don't know if
it's kind of almost a inside joke in a
certain way. Jeffrey Epstein himself in
these emails is unbelievably trolly. You
know, he'll he'll say things that are
the kind of, you know, [ __ ] posts you,
you say to a buddy or your, you know,
your brother or something that uh, you
don't mean, you know, it's tongue cheek.
But you if if you were a cynical out to
get you person who somehow obtained that
text message, you'd say, "Oh, look, he
said it." And so, so there's a lot of
that going on. But the fact is is I have
seen some I've seen a lot of images
shared uh around the time period of when
Pizzagate was popping off in 2016 that
all I'll say is it doesn't it doesn't
look good or easily explainable. At the
same time, a lot of those screenshots I
have not, you know, for for most of
these for the things I've posted about
or that I'm talking about here, I've
gone to the Justice Department file.
I've looked up the file number.
confirmed whether or not the screenshot
is actually what it is. For those I have
not yet. Uh but I I would not
I wouldn't feel totally confident saying
there's no there there. But that's
that's about as far as as I can go on
that.
>> When you say images, what are you
talking about?
>> Well, there's a lot of you know, if you
look up pizza, for example, it's just as
a keyword search, you'll see or cheese
or something. Um,
it looks like, you know, in the in the
DOJ
database for these new files, uh, you'll
see a lot of things of people talking
about pizza in a way that
>> it seems like a code.
>> It's kind of impossible to
>> to imagine
>> to do to a pizza. That's about Okay.
>> You know what I mean? Uh but I don't to
me there's so much real world provable
things in there and also so many kind of
more real world implications
of allegations that are made in the
files that kind of
uh you know should be explained. Uh,
like a common mistake that I see going
around on social media this week is
people, it kind of gets the reason that
the FBI
and the president was arguing that these
files shouldn't be released in the first
place, which is that people would take
things out of context and wildly uh, you
know, and think things are true that are
not because they're baseless allegations
made by, you know, some anonymous
tipster and but because it's in an FBI
file, people will think it's true. Now,
I don't think that's a reason not to
release these. I'm extremely glad these
were released.
What I'm saying is is I've seen that
phenomenon, you know, run away and and
some of this I know is
kind of uh baseless in terms of the
factual evidence because some of the
people
one of the confidential human sources
for example that is cited you know the
first day of the drop there was this
kind of bombshell claim uh in the I
think this is probably the most viral
post the first day of the DOJ release
which was a confidential human source.
CHS means of FBI informant
uh who the FBI internal memo describes
how this confidential human source
reported that Alan Dersitz was a MSAD
agent and after every meeting he goes
back and tells his FB his MSAD handlers
you know what what they talked about and
you go oh my god it's an FBI
confidential human source the FBI
wouldn't you know pay an informant
unless they found them credible for this
sort of thing. On the very next page of
the files, it says President Trump, I'm
paraphrasing, you can pull this up if
you if you want. Um, you know, President
Trump is controlled by the government of
Israel and they have I forget if he says
they have blackmail or something to this
effect. Now, I don't know whether either
of those things are true or not. I don't
know what you know any more than anybody
else who's done research on this.
Certainly there's a lot of overlap
between Duritz and the Israeli
government and high level Israeli
officials. So in that sense if that were
to be reported I don't know that it
would be the
who knows about whether that's true or
not. It's but it plays into a kind of
confirmation bias that a lot of people
have. And so when you see that in an FBI
file the first thing your instinct is if
you're you know if that's your
journalism beat is to is to write all
about it and get millions of views. And
same thing, there's a MAGA civil war
right now that's happening over issues
around Israel. It's, you know, you say,
"Oh my god, it's been proven. The FBI
knows that." Well, uh, Ken Silva, who's
a journalist, shortly after that
published, uh, a tweet containing a file
that had much less engagement where he
said, "Actually, I I actually have a
copy of this document." Again, I'm
paraphrasing here. Uh where it matches
that document file number. It's got the
same text and it looks like the that
confidential human source is Chuck
Johnson. Now, I saw that and I went, "Oh
my god." Because one morning I woke up
to a text from that very person saying,
"This is about 2 years ago. I'd never
met him, never talked to him, don't have
his number. Somehow he got mine and
messaged me on Signal to turn myself in
because I'm going to prison. He then
proceeded to look up um my exwife and
make allegations that I was a MSAD agent
because she was a uh she was a a
prostitute from a from a foreign country
and involved in all these, you know,
MSAD black ops type things. Now, he
didn't get the name right. He found a a
different person with a similar spelling
that uh you know was I guess busted for
prostitution or something and then makes
these giant claims on social media that
uh you know I had been like married to a
foreign spy prostitute or something.
Then he goes on to message someone he
thinks is my donor and threaten them to
cut off funds because if he doesn't then
I've made the intelligence community
very angry and they have deputized him
to tell the person he thought was my
donor that the intelligence services of
the United States of America will crush
the businesses of someone he thought was
my donor if he doesn't cut off the funs
he thought that person was giving to me.
Okay, this is that confidential human
source or at least according to the
reporting of of Ken Silva. uh
that the level of things that are untrue
about that uh
combined with the fact that this very
person is going around
uh saying that not he's not just an FBI
informant but that he actually can
direct the intelligence agencies of the
United States to crush someone's private
practice if they don't change the you
know
discretionary
donations
to someone like that's the person you're
saying
that person's
uh you know comments to a FBI
officer or you know uh task force prove
these claims about Duritz and Trump.
I mean that's that's ridiculous. I I
know firsthand that there's zero
credibility to those claims. Now, they
may be true or not, but the fact is is,
you know, there's there's a lot of
context to to all of these.
What is just because it's said in an FBI
file does not make it true. We learned
that lesson in Russia gate. We learned
that lesson with the steel dossier. Uh
but you know that I think that same sort
of caution and prudence should be
applied with these uh and I think
ultimately the truth wins out on these
things. It just you know takes longer
than you might want to.
It's so
tangled. You know, the whole thing is
just I think everybody who looks at it
realizes this is a rabbit hole that just
goes to the center of the earth and
there's so many people involved in that.
What do you Here's here's the big
question that people ask. If there was a
Jeffrey Epstein and it seems like all
these things he was involved in, is
there a Jeffrey Epstein right now that
we don't know about?
>> There's a million of them.
>> A million of I mean this is why this is
why I I find the con this you know this
is not the core of what I focus on. Um
but I find it re a really interesting
field of study because it helps
understand so many other US government
institutions and the relationship
between government and private business.
Jeffrey Epstein is
part of a class of what are effectively
professional fixers.
And this is this is a a kind of class of
professional who sits
not really within a particular
government or private sector institution
but in the kind of sticky layer between
them that connects them all. And
I would say that for example people like
Mark Rich, Bruce Rapaort, uh and I can
go through all these figures and who
they are. Robert Mayhew and these types
um are just good case studies in how the
intelligence world the business
community uh you know uses like let's
take an example of Bruce Rapaort and and
this is a you can pull up on screen if
uh if you want there's a great article I
think it's called uh I think it's from
1988 or 1991 it's called uh intrigue in
high places, oil pipeline, Iraq,
uh, and then just Bruce Rapaort, it's RA
P. Yeah, here you go. Uh, pipeline deal
intrigue in high places. And I I'll
describe what what happens here in a
second. In fact, there's a great YouTube
video on this as well. Uh if you look up
uh Bruce just on on YouTube uh Bruce
Rapaort 1988 there's a great kind of
couple minute summary of all this but
effectively what happened was
and let me start this by just Jeffrey
Epstein got to Bear Sterns in 1966
I'm sorry 1976
and then worked there until 1980.
Sorry, just because you have on screen
maybe
>> may maybe maybe I'll go through this
first and then I'll do the Jeff because
the Jeffrey Epstein connections. So what
happened here was you had the Iran Iraq
war from 1980 to 1988
and Henry Kissinger had a really great
quote about this because he asked what
is the US government strategy on this
because it's very convoluted
and you know why are we why are we
giving
weapons to Iran when the Iranian
revolution just happened in 1979
that
you know overthrew what was a US
governmentfriendly
government that was partially installed
by the CIA in 1953.
We're we've now declared an
international arms embargo on them. You
know, we're we're basically at war with
the Ayatollah. Why are we why are we
giving them weapons and helping them uh
you know, defeat Iraq? And you know, the
issue was is we were also in a kind of
uh
war over regional hedgeimonyy and oil
with with Iraq.
And so Henry Kissinger's quote was, "I
my only wish is that both sides would
lose, could lose." And so what happened
was is because we didn't want Iraq to
take over Iran and become effectively
bigger than Saudi Arabia in the region,
we were we were funding the and and
giving weapons to Iran to try to fend
off the much bigger Iraqi army. And then
at at a certain point in this uh we we
began to back Iraq. We went back and
forth supporting Iran Iraq. And so the
this Iraq because of the embargos on it
wanted to build a pipeline to get its
oil out and it was going to pass through
Jordan and it was going to abut against
the border of Israel. and a major
CIA contractor and CIA connected private
business called Becttel. Highly highly
influential
company. Uh there's been many many many
books written on Becttel. Some of uh and
Becttel is alive and well today. If
there was a saga for example around the
Stanford internet observatory if around
the censorship industrial complex when I
when I visited the Stanford internet
observatory and I went to the courtyard
courtyard is sponsored by Becttel. It's
I think it's called the Becttel
courtyard. Uh and but but what happened
was is
the
Becktel was promised by Iraq a billion
dollar contract in in 198 you know 80s
money for constructing this pipeline
and the Central Intelligence Agency and
the White House National Security
Council both for geostrategic reasons
wanted this pipeline built. The problem
was is they were afraid the Israeli
government was going to sabotage the
pipeline because Iraq was
very hostile to Israel and there was a
lot of tension between the Iraqi
government and the Israeli government
and they were afraid that if Becttel got
this contract and built this pipeline
that Israel would some s you know these
pipelines are very fragile and all it
because it passes close to it it's very
possible that that would that would
happen. It would destroy both the CIA's
goal and the private profiteer Becktel's
goal.
So, how do you solve that problem? Well,
what what the CIA did is
what the what the National Security
Council, which is the inter agency that
the CIA reports to, did is they engaged
a private fixer named Bruce Rapaort, who
was a Swiss billionaire with close ties
to the Israeli government to back
channel with the Israeli government,
some sort of secret agreement that would
guarantee
that they would not sabotage the
pipeline and because the attorney
general of the United States now again
think about this as well as I'm saying
this think about Jeffrey Epstein and
think about the character of Bill Barr
for example who started his career for
seven years at the CIA was highly
involved in the CI's Iran Contra and
then was attorney general
both in the 1990s during the Epstein
connected BCCI scandal and the you know
when Jeffrey Epstein killed himself or
or whatever happened to him. What so
what what happens is is is
Bruce Rapaort does indeed use his
contacts with the Israeli government to
uh strike an agreement that then allows
uh the pro would allow the project to be
green lit. But it triggers a special
prosecutor's investigation of the
attorney general himself, Ed Me, because
he one of his friends
was alleged to be in on the deal. So
they they argued that effectively there
were that they that through Bruce
Rapaort, the attorney general, was
striking a secret agreement with Israel
to profit himself
uh a massive conflict of interest.
And what what ended up happening is
Bruce Rapaort Rapaort stepped forward
and said, "No, no, no. It wasn't to
profit the the terms weren't to profit
the friend. It was the the terms we
secretly reached with Israel is that
they were going to get like a 30% cut on
the revenue of the pipeline and that's
what secured the buyin." But the fact is
is Bruce Rapaort was not
uh
this. Now the other part of this is that
the National Security Council told the
basically the overseas development arm
of of the US government, former US
government agency
to uh to put American taxpayer funds to
help subsidize the pipeline that the
Becttel pipeline
and that government agency did not want
to put up something like $400 million of
taxpayer funds on it because they
thought Bruce Rapaort was a very shady
Epstein-like figure who had all sorts of
sorted, you know, details about his own
past.
So that government agency queried the
CIA for all records about Bruce Rapaort
and the CIA gave them a limited hangout.
They said, "Oh, you know, we only have a
few documents that are responsive to it
and no red flags." As it turned out,
what the special prosecutor compelled
from the CIA is that they they had a
whole dirty dossier on Bruce Rapaort.
And if they had given that to to the US
government agency, there wouldn't there
couldn't have been support for the
pipeline. Now, after all this scandal,
the pipeline ended up not being built.
But the the point is is here you have a
the same type of person as Jeffrey
Epstein, the same regions and countries
that are, you know, involved in a
significant part of the Epstein saga.
You have the same structure of the
intelligence community, private
businesses and, you know, back channel
deals with government officials. But
because uh
there was no 2011 file on Bruce Rapaort,
he was not formerly a CIA asset. He was
he was what you know what's called a a
liaison, a a contact, a facilitator, a
friend of the station. Doesn't work for
the CI. He's got his own hedge fund.
He's got his own, you know, basically
finance. You know, he'll invest in
commodities or foreign exchange or
private portfolio companies.
But sometimes he'll work with the CIA,
sometimes he won't. Depends on whether
it's good for him.
And in this case, he thought it was good
for him to to take this. Who knows what
cut he himself got on it. But the fact
is is
here here you have the same type of oper
you have every layer of this from the
justice department to the CIA to the
private financeers to the to the private
companies to real world geopolitical
action and this appears in in my view of
it to be exactly the model that Jeffrey
Epstein uh himself replicated and and
was on parallel track with for his whole
career. career, you know, he's and and I
can I can get into that, but but does
that make sense in terms of like the
this type of figure exists in basically
in every country, in every industry? Uh,
and you know, they're not all as
prominent as Epstein, but I would argue
people like Mark Rich and at the time
Bruce Rapaort kind of were. They don't
all have, you know, these child sex
trafficking type things. This is the
thing is like what he was connected
with. It makes me wonder like if he
didn't have that sick thing where he
liked underage girls like if he'd never
gotten arrested which was what 2008 or
something. What when did he initially
get arrested?
>> Uh 2006 but but he he was the plea deal
was 2008. Yeah. So, if that hadn't
happened, like if you just got a guy
who's getting of age prostitutes,
we probably never hear about this.
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can imagine very easily
why because Epstein was involved in
fraudulent financial activities his
entire career. Uh he was under SEC
investigation
at Bayer Sterns in 1980 when he was uh
involved in a deal I think it was St.
Joe's Mineral Company which is um owned
by serums which is you know owned by the
the Bronin family.
uh he he got in trouble with the SEC at
that time. He then as soon as he got in
trouble, he left Beer Sterns and went
out on his own, but then worked
effectively at Beer Sterns off the book
for the next decade according to his own
testimony. He had a continuous
relationship with Beer Sterns for, you
know, I think he said 31 years. It was
basically from the moment, you know,
from from the 1970s,
1976 until 2007208 when Beer Sterns
collapsed while Jeffrey Epste was in
jail.
Um, but then Jeffrey Epstein in it
appears to me almost impossible that
Jeffrey Epste was not working on BCCI
pipeline deals while he was at Beer
Sterns. BC Bear Sterns was one of the
was one of the three biggest
uh clearing houses for for BCCI
transactions. BCCI is the Bank of Credit
and Commerce International. Sometimes
people call it the Bank of Crooks and
Criminals International. Uh it's it's
it's a incredible saga of CIA banking
gone wrong. It's it's a bank that was
started in Pakistan in 1972
and then grew to be the CIA's main way
to covertly back the mujaheden against
the the Russians during the cold war.
So, we backed Osama bin Laden, the CIA.
We backed the uh you know Islamic
mujaheden, the the radicals who became
al-Qaeda and ISIS
uh with billions of dollars of CIA and
MI6 and Israeli and Saudi facilitated
um you know co-support and financial uh
funds uh in order to do a cold war
operation just like we talked about with
Strange Bed Fellows. uh you know get uh
backing right-wing organized crime to
stop left-wing communism. We did the
same thing in Afghanistan
uh through you know these the Pakistan
Afghanistan border to run covertly run
guns to the mujaheden. In fact you can
there's a great YouTube video that I
always like to play so that you can see
it for yourself. Uh it's it's really
short. You can look up 1979 Zabnu
Brazinski dropping out of a helicopter
to tell the mujahedin that uh both God
and the United States government is on
their side. And the reason this clip I I
always think is so fun to play is
because this was the very moment in 1979
that Jeffrey Epstein appears to have
been uh involved in the BCCI financing
of this very operation. So if you if you
turn the volume up and you start at the
beginning
>> America's road
US national security adviser Bjinski
flew to Pakistan to set about rallying
resistance. He wanted to arm the
mujahedin without revealing America's
role
on the Afghan border near the Kaiba
pass. He urged the soldiers of God to
redouble their efforts.
>> We know of their deep belief in God and
we are confident that their struggle
will succeed.
You know, that land over there is yours.
You'll go back to it one day because
your fight will prevail and you'll have
your homes and your mosques back again
because your cause is right and God is
on your side.
>> Now, that is
that is the National Security Adviser of
the United States of America. The
national security adviser is the highest
post in the cabinet. It is the person
the president talks to every day. All
intelligence,
war, military and statecraftraft goes
through the national security adviser
that is the numero uno.
And he personally in 1979, you know,
this didn't come out until years later,
but we were covertly doing this. So to
do a covert operation, and this is why I
focus on the money side of Epstein from
the 1970s to present because
the money in any covert operation is the
most essential part. It's the only thing
that is irreplaceable and that if you
don't have it, everything goes away. You
lose one person, find another one. Uh
you uh you know, you lose one
uh you know, logistics hub can create
another one with money. You lose money,
you lose everything. You lose your
ability to pay your informants. You lose
your ability to bribe government
officials. You lose your ability to uh
you know win the support of local
institutions. You we lost Vietnam
not really so much because we lost you
know to at the the kinetic war level but
because we lost the ability to fund it
because it got defunded. So we we
literally couldn't do it anymore.
And the there's another great clip just
to show how sophisticated CI
moneyaundering was even by the 1960s.
Sorry, I'll I'll stop doing this after,
you know, running around clip to clip
after this or I'll I'll chill on it. But
if you if you go to my exount, you can
also find this on YouTube. Um there's a
great I believe it was CBS uh in in the
1960s. It's called in the pay uh I think
it's called in the pay of the CIA or in
the uh it's but if you type in CI
moneyaundering you'll see this this
great clip about how sophisticated CI
moneyaundering was already by the 1950s
and60s
and the
that because everything the CIA does has
to be laundered. It's a spy agency. If
it writes a check,
if it doesn't conceal
the origins of the money, gigs up. So
everything that is CIA has to move
through some sort of moneyaundering
mechanism.
Well, you know, to to kind of I guess
uh borrow a phrase from from the
president, somebody's doing the
moneyaundering.
You need a you need outside contacts who
do not work at the agency or necessarily
for the agency to facilitate that
moneyaundering
and that was done through for example
the Pakistanis with the BCCI as well as
contacts in in London. That is what I
believe Jeffrey Epstein was doing his
entire career after that. From Towers
Financial to his tenure with Lesie
Wexner uh to kind of the way I think
that he helped model the Clinton
Foundation itself with the Clintons in
the early 2000s uh and his expertise in
that I think is is what made him useful.
really not. Well, it's more the the
connections of I guess uh you know
donors and billionaires around him that
made him the most useful. But the fact
is is he specialized when he went out on
his own formally. He leaves Bear Sterns
in 1981 and starts a one-man group
called Intercontinental Assets Group out
of his New York City apartment. He's not
even 30 years old. right away he gets
big level clients like Adnan Kosigible
who is the uh at the time was alleged to
be the world's richest man. He was the
Saudi arms dealer and to give an
impression of how significant this
figure was in the uh weapons trade. He
was he he earned more in commissions
from Loheed Martin uh Boeing and I think
one of the other big military
contractors than every other commissions
agent in the entire world combined.
That's why you know there were rumors
that he was the world's richest man. He
in fact we actually had legislation
passed because of how influential he
was. He was the one who in 1983
uh flew to the National Security Council
to the White House um to
orchestrate the Iran Contra affair. He
was the Saudi middleman
uh that
was part of this operation where the
United States uh used the Saudi
middleman Adnan Kosigible to uh run guns
to Israeli contacts to smuggle into Iran
to fight off the Iraqis. I know it's a
bit of a long sequence, but effectively
you can think of it as United States and
Israel with Saudi Arabia in the middle.
Now, Adnan Kosigible was one of the
major clients of the CIA's BCCI Bank,
and he was the host of the CIA's
offshore operation that was created in
1976 called the Safari Club. Uh, in in
1975, 1976 when the CIA started getting
handcuffs put on it with the Church
Committee hearings.
Jeffrey Epstein starts his career at
Beer Sterns in 1976, the very moment of
the biggest shakeup of the CIA in CIA
history. At at that moment, the Church
Committee hearings were ongoing and the
public was seeing,
you know, uh, Colby and Angleton holding
up a heart attack gun. Uh, you know, how
the CIA can kill someone and make it
look like they died organically of a
heart attack. Operation Chaos had just
broke about the CIA funding student
groups on American college campuses.
COINTEL broke. Uh MK Ultra broke. It was
one House of Horrors after another on
everybody's TV that only had three news
stations.
And so Democrats were completely fired
up about getting rid of the CIA or
putting massive handcuffs on it, which
is which is what they did. They created
effectively what's now the Senate and
House Intelligence Committee. So there's
oversight of the CIA by the the People's
Representatives. The um the first year
Carter was in office in 1977 went
through the what was called the
Halloween massacre, fired 30% of all CIA
operations
uh personnel. They massively cut
funding.
And so in response to this, you had a
set of stakeholders who wanted that CIA
dirty work to still be doable, but they
didn't have the legal authorization to
run it out of the CIA. So what they did
is they took the same group of
international partners that they had
been that the CIA had been working with,
that includes Saudi Arabia, Israel, the
UK, France, at the time, Iran, because
this was before the 1979 Iranian
revolution. They were all a part of this
thing called the Safari Club which got
its name from the uh Mount Safari. It
was basically a resort club in Kenya
which was the main hub just like
Colombia for example is kind of the main
was the main US government hub for
logistics. It was kind of a foothold for
our ability to do work in Venezuela or
Guatemala or Nicaragua or Brazil. In
Africa, Kenya was our main stronghold.
And so but Anak Kosogi ran that this was
basically a 78 country joint covert
operations intelligence
network and it was informal. It wasn't
technically the CIA. Uh and it was set
up in you can pull the Wikipedia for
this actually just so you don't need to
take my word for it. Like literally the
sanitized Wikipedia will will tell you
everything that I'm I'm saying here. And
it ended up that network ended up
becoming one of the main
Yeah. Yeah. So if you start at the top,
you'll see that that there it is on the
right. The fire club. It was a covert
alliance of intelligence services formed
in 1976 that ran clandestine operations
in Africa. Now what they're leaving out
here is that it was also Asia played a
huge role in Pakistan and uh Afghanistan
and the like. But these were all these
different countries
attempt to offset the restrictions that
the Democrats had put on the CIA. When
Reagan gets back to power in 1981,
you still have these handcuffs on the on
the CIA. You still have the the
Democrats controlling the House of
Representatives. The Democrats
did, you know, so there was an
international arms embargo. First of
all, in 1979, the Iranian revolution
happens and it's blamed on the CIA being
cut back. The CIA helped install the Sha
in 1953.
They argued that if Jimmy Carter hadn't
destroyed the CIA, we would still have
Iran as a friendly country. We could
have stopped this. We could have nipped
it in the bud. We could have had people
on the ground. It's Jimmy Carter's fault
that he that he cut the CI that we're in
this disaster with the world's third
largest reserve of of oil and gas and
this hugely geostrategic
country now being an enemy of America
rather than a friend. The the so an
international arms embargo was put on
Iran, but then Iraq threatened to invade
it and we didn't want Iraq to take it
over. So we had to get we had to do
something illegal if we wanted to help
Iran. And it was against international
law to give them weapons. But if we
didn't give them weapons, it was
perceived massive geostrategic
geopolitical earthquake that we'd live
with for centuries.
So you had to do one illegal action with
with the gun running. And then there was
a inner party dispute. The Democrats at
that time uh the majority did not want
to do
intervention in Nicaragua. Uh there was
a imparty power uh called the the
Sandinista government and there was a a
rebel faction called the Contras and
Republican donors and stakeholders had
had interests in Nicaragua and wanted to
help the Contras overthrow the
Sandinista government.
But there was a party dispute. Democrat
donors didn't profit from that and they
at the time had a fairly robust
anti-imperialism kind of mindset and
were sick of CIA regime change in by the
early 1980s after everything that was
disclosed in just the previous years. So
Republicans wanted to overthrow the
Nicaraguan governments. Democrats
didn't. Democrats had a House majority
and they passed something called the
Bolan Amendment which forbade any US
government funds from going to support
the Contras. So this put the the
Republicans in a pickle. By the way,
this is what's happening kind of today
around Ukraine. If you flip the parties,
100% of Democrats vote for Ukraine
funding. The Republican party is split
about it. This is the inverse of that
was happening in the early 1980s. 100%
of Republicans wanted to fund the
Contras against what they called the
Soviet aligned uh Sandinistas
and the Democrats were split but but
they successfully pass this bull
amendment. So the CIA was in a pickle.
How do you run guns to Iran when it's
against international law? And how do
you fund the Contras when it's illegal
to spend US government money to fund
them? And uh so what they came up with
is effectively the structure I think
it's the most useful structure for
understanding
uh American statecraft and intelligence
activity to this day. What what they
came up with is what they called a
structure called the enterprise which
the CI director Bill Casey referred to
as a private self-sustained
offtheshelf
standalone entity that did not exist
within the US government but ex but was
instead it comprised
the money came from outside fixers
who would then effectively channel donor
money and black market trade
to fund the contras.
So the money didn't come from US
taxpayers. It didn't come from US aid.
It didn't come from an allocation from
the US Department of War or or foreign
assistance from the Department of State.
As it turned out, the money came from,
you know, cocaine and uh and a couple of
other things. But uh you know that this
was the you know the famous
>> freeway Ricky Ross.
>> Yeah. Gary Webb, you know, John Kerry.
>> Uh and
the the this was the soup that Jeffrey
Epstein was was coming up in. And you
know funny story related to this is that
the the main airline used to transport
the drugs and guns in the drugs for cash
for guns operation
was a CI proprietary airline called
Southern Air Transport.
Uh, Southern Air Transport was
was the proprietary CIA airliner,
meaning it was owned and operated
exclusively by the Central Intelligence
Agency.
And it was the, you know, the airliner
that all these aircraft went uh moved
through.
Iran Contra was basically the early
1980s up until like the mid late 1980s.
in 19 it was it was based in Miami.
In 1994,
Southern Air Transport, the CIA
proprietary airline, which in the
intervening time was spun out to not be
owned by the CIA, but rather to be owned
by someone who had worked for the CIA.
Uh,
at the time it was owned by the CIA. So,
you know, pretty thin layer there. But
it moved from Miami to Columbus, Ohio,
primarily to service the Limited.
>> Oh, I know all about this, Joe.
>> I have I have a I have a video on this.
And in fact,
>> look over it, Jamie, because he's
obsessed.
>> Yeah. In fact,
>> he's obsessed with Patel.
>> Yeah, I probably told you about this 5
years ago.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Okay. Well, there's a great
article, I think, uh, Spook Air
>> and, um,
>> you know, on this, but
>> how many roads lead back to Ohio? Uh
most most if not all.
>> What is what is this connection with
Ohio?
Well, Ohio was, you know, if you
remember kind of the origins of of
organized crime in the United States
really goes back to the prohibition era
when you had
this Midwestern
mafia syndicate around Cincinnati and
then it moved into Dayton and Columbus
and adjacent to Chicago and this whole
sort of hub.
around prohibition and then prohibition
was 1920 to 1933.
When prohibition ended, all these
networks went from black market alcohol
to black market drugs because it was no
longer black market. They no longer had
a business smuggling alcohol. So they
they moved into the narcotic space.
>> Which ones? Which which narcotics?
>> Well, uh it was primarily opium in the
1930s. This was part of
>> opium
>> really.
>> Well, yeah. If you because in the 1930s
was when you had as you know as we
discussed the department of wars
alliance with Changhai
and the and the Quuoman Tang the Chinese
nationalists the the supply for
you know uh
the supply for heroin for example or you
know opium it comes from Asia comes from
the golden crescent the golden triangle
and the way this logistics chain moved
was are CIA war departmentbacked
rebel groups in Asia. They sat
territorially on the Golden Triangle.
They would cultivate the opium. They
would
basically fly it out on military
aircraft. uh it went to Europe for
processing in
uh you know France was one of the main
uh you know this is this kind of French
connection saga which again Jeffrey
Epstein is weirdly connected to and I
can tell you about that if you're
interested and then it would go to the
basically Italian mafia folks
for the trans shipment and you had the
Italian mafia controlled docks and ports
in the United States and New York and
New Jersey And you had, you know, CIA
protected Italian mafia groups in
southern Italy, which at the time were
national security protected because they
were our allies against the communists.
And so you had this this drug trade to
support foreign policy imperatives. And
you you can do that you can run that
exercise with pretty much every drug on
planet Earth at this point. And it makes
it very difficult to stop the drug trade
because by stopping the drug trade, you
are you're running up against something
that your own government considers
a perhaps unfortunate but necessary
logistics hub.
>> Do you think that's happening right now
with Mexico?
>> Yeah.
>> Whoa.
>> Well, I mean, think about this. Fast and
Furious.
>> Yeah.
>> Wasn't that long ago?
>> The Fast and Furious story is [ __ ]
bananas. Tell it to people that don't
know because just the idea that they
proposed this and implemented it is so
[ __ ] crazy.
>> Yeah. Well, so this was a scandal during
the Obama administration. Eric Holder
was the attorney general of the United
States. He had to step down because he
was held in contempt of Congress for
jumping on the grenade and not turning
over the Fast and Furious files. Um,
Earth to Congress, note to Congress, who
wants to be a hero, by the way. Um, you
can do the same thing with the Epstein
bill with the Fast and Furious files.
Uh, I think everybody in this war on
drugs that, you know, we're so gung-ho
about, we just captured the president of
Venezuela over drugs. It would be
awfully nice if you compelled the
Justice Department and FBI to turn over
the Justice Department and FBI run Fast
and Furious files. But what happened was
is and I believe this had inter agency
approval, meaning the the White House
signed off on it, the Central
Intelligence Agency signed off on it,
the Department of Defense signed off on
it, the State Department signed off on
it, the FBI and ATF signed off on it.
This was a gununning operation to send
guns to the Sinaloa cartel to uh to have
them be able to successfully win a narco
drug war against the Losas cartel. The
Lozus cartel was pilfering oil
pipelines. Remember, Mexico, the oil
wealth of the United States is vastly
disproportionately concentrated in
Texas,
in West Texas and southern Texas where
it shares oil fields with Mexico.
Effectively, those oil fields go into
Mexico is replete with oil and there are
many partnerships between United States
oil companies and the Mexican government
uh PEMX and and all the different, you
know, kind of private private lines and
this is a big point of geopolitical
contention. But the fact is is one of
the things that organized crime groups
do in order to get money for their own
syndicate because they've got
effectively military control of a
territory is if a pipeline runs through
that territory, they can simply cut open
the pipeline and steal the oil. This is
for example what you know was happening
with our CIA backed uh rebel groups in
Syria. We're taking the oil. I mean, we
would literally, you know, our our
spunky moderate rebels would, you know,
literally cut open Syrian pipelines and
take the oil. And this was one of the
ways to support it, you know, you can
support it with drugs, you can support
it with black market oil. And by the
way, I while I'm on the topic,
uh if you if you pull up and I have this
on my my ex, if you type in uh Institute
uh Institute for Peace or in uh just
type in Institute Peace Drugs,
the the the US government, the US
Institute for Peace
told the Taliban not to shut down the
drug trade after they took power in
2022. They said it would have a
devastating
uh you know negative impact on the econ
you know the local economy if they
didn't keep growing what was then you
know 90 95%
of the well yeah if you well I think
click the next image
uh wait next image
yeah here you go so this is this is a
you know we give the US Institute of
Peace at the time we gave them $55
million a year the US Institute of Peace
was created by active Congress. This
headline is wild. The Taliban successful
opium ban is bad for Afghans and the
world.
>> Yes.
>> Right.
Right. So,
>> wow.
>> Now, remember just about,
you know, um
the Taliban had just taken back power.
That happened in the, you know, in the
early Biden administration. The Taliban,
if folks recall,
cut. So we the CIA was help and and the
US military as well as their allies and
with regional allies were cultivating
the opium on the golden crescent
for a noble cause to win the cold war
against the evil Soviets to this was a
big part of the funding for the muja
and this was one of the big scandals
that ended up enveloping BCCI the CIA's
bank because it was the way because it
was non-compliant with any banking
regulations. It all moved offshore.
The drug money the the drug logistics
chain that the CIA built for the
mujaheden then moved through the drugs
money laundering chain at the CIA bank.
And this apparatus had scaled for 20
years by the by the late 1990s when the
Taliban like the Chinese wanted to shut
it down when the Taliban took power in
the 1990s.
And they did that. They cut the OPM down
to effectively zero in 1999. And this is
all open source in two. And then you
know we we invade Afghanistan and
you know uh 2001 2003
uh it becomes a US military occupied
zone and it goes from 0% of the world's
heroin to 95% of the of the world's
heroin all under US military occupation.
In fact, we installed their dictator
um you know who whose brother was uh was
the main drug kingpin of the whole
country. It's and some of this moved
through um some of this moved through
the
cold war CIA backed uh uh Turkish
Greywolves outfit. And uh there's a
funny quote I think in the Michael
Hastings article on uh
Stanley Mcrist where Stanley Mcrist's
team refers to u Hameid Carzi's funny
little hat that he wore. Hamid Carzi was
the CIA installed uh you know strongman
uh after we we took over Afghanistan. He
referred to his hat as the Greywolf's
vagina. I mean the basically saying like
this is the you know the drug logistics
orifice. But leaving that aside, what
what I'm what I'm getting to is is you
you have this this banking network.
You have all these logistics chains.
Jeffrey Epstein
his first 10 when his comeup is made
through this through this whole network.
It turns out that Bear Sterns, you
opened a trading desk with to to clear
BCCI transactions in 197 1978.
Um Jeffrey Epstein's mentor, the person
who who actually recruited him to apply
to Bear Sterns was a guy named Ace
Greenberg. Ace Greenberg then was a
senior executive at the time and then I
think in 1978 or 1979
he becomes CEO so the head of Beer
Sterns. So Jeff and he sets Jeffrey
Epstein up with his daughter. So Jeffrey
Epstein is a is a young kid. People
wonder how did Jeffrey Epste make
partner at Beer Sterns so fast? Well,
there's a couple explanations. You know,
one is the guy who brought him into the
firm quickly became CEO thereafter.
and Jeffrey Epstein was dating his
daughter. The New York Times actually
reported this about a month and a half
ago uh by getting the insider testimony
of a dozen people who worked at who
worked at Bear Sterns at the time. And
so, you know, he's dating the boss's
daughter, but also Ace Greenberg as the
CEO
would have to approve all of these
transactions and it looks like was
involved in, you know, these these
clearing house activities. What happened
was is uh Bear Sterns cleared
about $13 billion worth of BCCI
transactions. And it looks like these
transactions were involved in the very
same Adnan Kosigible, so Saudi and Doug
Lease, who was a British arms dealer
that Jeffrey Epstein was flying to
London to meet with and working with all
those years. Uh, and they and be and
Bear Sterns was doing it through this
entity called Capcom, which was
what the uh the Senate report on the
BCCI scandal referred to as the bank
within the bank of BCCI. So, kind of the
inner sanctum of now that Capcom was was
owned by Kamal Autumn who was the
head of he was the chief spy for Saudi
Arabia. So he was so Bear Sterns
the New York Times reports based on a
dozen of these you know insider uh you
know testimonies they got like three of
epste's bosses on the record to talk
about you know what he was doing there.
Amazingly the New York Times does not
mention a single deal name in the entire
20,000word report.
>> Why do you think that is?
It might not be news fit to print.
Also, they just I I'll I can be
charitable and say they might they just
might not know. They might think that,
you know, uh I don't think that the New
York Times has a pinky of the
specialization in Jeffrey Epstein
cinematic universe knowledge uh that
your random anonymous
egg account on X has. So they might not
know about uh Bear Sterns doing BCCI
transactions. They might not know what
uh you know if if you don't know the
material, you don't necessarily know
what to ask. That's me being charitable.
Uh also
that you know some of the witnesses may
have said that they don't want to talk
about specific deal names because that
would tarnish
you know the folks involved in that deal
for association with Jeffrey Epstein.
There could be a lot of reasons. I'm
trying to be charitable here, but
>> but the fact is is they all said Jeffrey
Epstein moved up so fast because he was
dating the boss's daughter and he was
put on the biggest and most lucrative
deals very quickly within the firm. Um,
and
given the in the incredible volume that
Beer Sterns was appears to have been
moving through BCCI
and BCCI being, you know, the hottest
ticket in in town then in the late
1970s, it was literally the main vehicle
for the US government to covertly
launder funds. Uh, Capcom, according to
the Senate Intelligence Report and the
Justice Department investigations, was
the main vehicle for funding the
mujaheden
50% of those trades and they they
laundered it illegally. What what which
requires
a brokerage, you know, a clearing house
to to prove it. You know, the way this
is set up is you have a you have a bank,
you've you've got a money launder, and
you've got a clearing house. The bank
was the CIA bank, BCCI. The money
launderer was the CIA's
literal direct partner in this, the
Saudis.
Capcom was run by the chief Saudi spy
master. And then in 1982, Jeffrey
Epstein obtained a fake Saudi passport.
Uh, sorry, it was a fake Austrian
passport because that was a big loophole
passport during the Cold War for spies,
but said his residence was Saudi Arabia.
We didn't find this out until 2019 when
his safe was raided. But that exact
time, Jeffrey Epstein has this fake
Saudi passport.
And it's it's being done to support the
CIA backed rebel group, the Mujaheden in
Afghanistan.
But that requires a clearing house to
clear those moneyaundering trades. They
were using these mirrored commodities
trades which is this you know technique
of basically you know uh selling to
yourself to to make money look clean so
that it looks like um you know profit
and you know it looks like you you won
or lost it in a market trade rather than
through drug money
and then they were then sending that on
you know to uh to the mujad. But the
fact is is at the same time that that
was happening, Anan Kosigible, who'
become Jeffrey Epstein's client in the
1980s when he went on his own, was the
one facilitating
the weapons.
you have this drugs for cash for guns.
the person so the so the bank that's
moving the that's turning the drugs into
clean cash that the head of the you know
Saudi the Saudi spy master is running
that part of the you know banking side
and then you've got the Saudi Saudi arms
dealer who is moving it illegally into
Iran
working handinand glove with the CIA and
the National Security Council the whole
time you have A
you have a illegal financial enterprise
protected at the highest level by the
United States government, the US
intelligence services and by proxy the
Justice Department itself. Can you
imagine the Justice Department
prosecuting it while that operation was
ongoing?
Any defendant, you know, here's you
asked what what are the what are the
great reveals in uh in in the JFK files?
And I'd be remiss if I if I didn't bring
up the the case of Rolando Masser.
There's an incredible document in the
JFK files that that Tulsi Gabbard
released last year, which is a CIA
document that describes I think the
quote is massive damage if the if the uh
Justice Department pursues a criminal
case against a guy named Rolando Masser.
If you just type in Rolando Masser, JFK
files 2025 release. uh or like massive
damage or something like that, you'll
you'll see this. It's an unbelievably
incredible document. What it documents
is that there was a dispute between the
CIA and the State Department. The State
Department sets foreign policy. The CIA
is not is supposed to serve covertly
the the the State Department. The the
CIA is the junior seat at the table.
Nobody ever goes from being, you know,
uh head of the State Department to head
of the CIA. That's a that's a demotion.
The CIA is supposed to be kind of the
Yeah, I use like the
uh you know, Sopranos reference. You
know, Sylvio comes in and and you know,
shakes down the
hairdresser shop or whatever for the
money it owes the family. If you are
that hairdresser, it's easy to think
that Sylvio runs the mafia because he's
the one who shows up at your house,
breaks your windows, breaks your kn your
knuckles, and takes your money. But
Sylvio is not doing that because he runs
it. He's doing it because the person
setting the policy of the enterprise,
Tony, is the boss of it. The way it's
supposed to work is the State Department
sets policy and the CIA does or
organizes the plausibly deniable dirty
work to achieve it if that is necessary
to achieve that foreign policy.
This is why there was a lot of debate in
1948 about whether the CI should even
take on this role. This is this great
1948 George Kennan memo that says maybe
we should do have a office within the
state department called the inaug uh
called the you know bureau of organized
political warfare and then two months
later they decided the CIA would uh you
know would take that but the fact is is
it's basically a state department
function but CIA is supposed to defer to
state but what happened was is there was
a factional dispute between state and
CIA over over Cuba policy
the uh the State Department wanted
thought that the CIA backed rebel groups
in Miami were being too aggressive and
too uh too provocative, too hot-headed,
you know, doing acts of terrorism and
sorts of things that looked bad to the
international community. JFK was trying
to rein them in, but the CIA, the
careers and folks there wanted to take a
more aggressive posture. And so one of
the CIA's key
assets and ring leaders had a logistics
hub with a massive CIA backed Cuban
exile community network at that time in
the early 1960s in Miami. Uh wanted
thought that JFK was being too
impatient, too cautious. They wanted to
invade basically a section of Haiti uh
departing from Miami to use that as a
base to then do kinetic attacks against
Cuba. The state department learned that
this CIA back network led by Orlando
Masser was going to do this and stopped
it. They had a customs and border agent
basically who was like manning the docks
and caught them as like 300 of them were
you know departing to try to take over a
part of of Haiti to do this and then the
state department directed the justice
department to pursue criminal charges
against Orlando Masser
in steps the CIA and you know if you if
you can find this memo um you know it's
mas
for I think it's f RR are you are Rondo
Masser.
It's uh
>> his name's on
>> if you if it the the title of it is is
like massive damage that would that
would occur. Uh you can probably also
just find it on or just yeah massive
damage.
There you go. estimate of damage which
could acrue to CI Miami through
prosecution of the Orlando Masser
Haitian Invasion Group. Again, we just
learned the existence of this document
last year. This is from 19 the 1960s.
Now, it says, "The decision by the
Justice Department to seek a grand jury
indictment against Rando Masser and
certain of his associates is a
potentially explosive matter which could
result in extensive damage to CIA
activities in Miami. Recent adverse
publicity on the national scene and in
the Miami area have added substantially
to the already sizable embarrassment
potential. Can you imagine what these
memos look like for Jeffrey Epstein?
Some of the main sectors of danger to
CIA equities are described below. Basic
national publicity regarding student and
foundation topics have already attracted
attention of the local press to the CI
in general. Usually any reference to CI
covert activities leads to leads pressed
as check files for references of any
such activities locally. However, before
this action could be taken, the story
regarding and then he goes over the
Panama Foundation, the University of
Miami, which was what hosted JM Wave,
the University of Miami, then the CI's
largest station house in the world. It
was called JM Wave was hosted in a
facility off of the University of Miami
campus. Uh again, the biggest CI station
house in the entire world. uh the CI uh
so it goes on to say that uh okay there
have been all these
the top paragraph is saying we're under
a lot of pressure justice department the
public is already losing support for the
CIA because of all these other
disclosures and it will be disastrous if
you if if you pursue the prosecution of
him because Orlando Masser is going to
squeal. So I think if you go down to the
next page, he says uh as has been the
case for the past 6 years and he says
basically the CIA has been working with
the head of the president and treasurer
of the University of Miami uh they're
extending the the you know cooperation
and all this. So basically all these
touch points that Rando Masser's network
connects to will be exposed and they go
over all these what were previously
redacted CIA cutouts in the area. And
then he goes on the memo says, "Even if
the above circumstances did not exist,
um we would remain concerned regarding
the possible effects of the prosecution
of the masser group. Although no station
agents or persons with whom the Miami
station has contractual arrangements are
among the persons arrested or those who
will be prosecuted, it will be very easy
for the defense to drag CIA Miami into
the case. The defense has only to obtain
testimony, true or perjured,
conceivably true, from one of the
defendants or summon as defense
witnesses one or more disaffected former
agents of the CIA station in order to
begin a chain reaction
surfacing such detail and rumor
concerning CI operations against the
Cuban target. given the sizable
reduction of infiltration and reduction
a general feeling of frustration, lack
of support for Cuban freedom attributed
to passive US policy. um basically
saying it would undermine our you know
entire operation against Cuba and the
American people's support for it if the
justice department indictes these people
who just committed this crime because
they can very their the whole network of
CIA and they can just call to the stand
that the their friends and associates
had been talking with the CIA about this
well before they had done it and that
would be a massive scandal.
Now, that's just one example here. And
what goes on to happen is there's a
negotiation between the State Department
and CIA about whether to bring the case,
how to bring the case, how to shape
there's a follow-up memo on this, which
is totally incredible that I think is
more of the logistics on this. The
agreement they reach is that the State
Department wins nominally. They do bring
the prosecution, but they bring it in a
highly limited integree
to the CIA's demands to limit lines of
inquiry to uh to uh file motions
against entering anything into discovery
that might uh basically reveal the CIA
networks in in this. and they agreed to
have a CIA general counsel person on the
prosecution team in order to personally
make sure that the justice department
stays in line and if something looks
like if if the judge grants discovery
for something that might reveal the
CIA's role in it, you know, drop that
line of prosecution so that it can't be
entered into evidence. And this this is
this is what you see time and again is
the
is how these networks get protected
whether it's drug cases whether it's you
know uh foreign policy scandal cases
whether it's money laundering cases I
believe in the Mark Rich case part of I
think his lawyer uh cited at one point
or maybe it was a in his pardon
application the work that he had done
for for US intelligence services as part
of the reason that he should granted
leniency. But the point I'm getting to
here is given Jeffrey Epstein's
involvement in the BCCI network, given
Jeffrey's involvement in the 1990s with
all the foreign policy activities
happening in the Middle East at that
time, given Jeffrey Epstein's, you know,
involvement through, you know, the the
early 2000s Clinton era and everything,
given his involvement in everything from
Israeli to Saudi to British to French
high level government officials, can you
Jeffrey Epstein was investigated by the
the SEC in the 1980s He was one he was
one of the two people uh who part who
ran the biggest Ponzi scheme in history
at the time in the United States. The
tower's financial collapse. Epstein's
business partner goes to jail for like
30 years or 20 years or whatever. Uh but
Epstein skates completely free. Uh
Epstein gets involved in this huge fraud
in the US Virgin Islands with this, you
know, like billion dollar fraud case in
the US Virgin Islands. never prosecuted
for any of it.
Why is that? Well, one is, you know, he
may have, we know in the US Virgin
Islands case, he was sponsoring the
campaigns basically of the politicians
there. the prosecutor's answer to the
politicians could be that. But it I
would be shocked if there in 40 years of
this where's Waldo Forest Gump, he's
always in the room in 40 years of
American foreign policy and intelligence
activity, you know, money sourcing for
that. Uh, for all the crimes that
Epstein committed, the concern was the
same one they had with Orlando Masser.
don't bring the case and if you do bring
it in a highly limited way and that's
exactly what happened in 2006 the first
time he was indicted. Everybody was up
in arms that it was a sweetheart plea
deal. It limited it gave protection to
all co-conspirators known and unknown.
uh and and it was swooped in quickly
before, you know, there was a trial in
full so that lines of evidence couldn't
be opened about the network.
>> It's just crazy that statutory rape is
what took it all down, right? Because
it's it's underageed hand jobs, right?
That's what took it all down.
>> Yeah. I mean, I Well, it seems to be
what took Jeffrey Epstein down.
>> Kind of crazy.
Even that is has a really interesting
geopolitical history. There was a
similar scandal in the early 2000s with
a private military contractor called
Dinecorp, which again runs through this
Adnan Kosigible kind of Middle Eastern
network. Uh Dine Corp got in trouble
um for trafficking
uh facilitating the the traffic. was a,
you know, major
US military and CIA contractor for
logistics and uh, you know,
institutional support and military
assistance uh, on the ground for the US
military all over the world. they got in
trouble uh moving basically trafficking
underage kids to Middle Eastern shakes
and I believe the uh in in the early
2000s and I believe the reason
that was alleged by Congress
that they did that was to juice the
deals with them that basically you know
these uh these people who were critical
it's you know if you're operating on the
ground in Kuwait or, you know,
pick your Middle Eastern, you know,
country
in order to serve your purpose for the
US government to be this outside
plausibly deniable but extensively
infrastructured professional support
outfit on the ground. You need the
support of the local government. You
need the support of the local high level
officials. They need to be happy. And
there's several currencies for that.
There's financial payoffs and there's
other things they might like like
parties and young women uh you know
especially in places where you know
being with the very young female is not
illegal. And so what Dine Corp I I
believe got busted doing and you can
look up the Dine Corp scandal here was
was doing this and I I believe their
argument was well you wanted us to do
this thing on the ground. you wanted us
to help the US military and you know
kind of covert support nodes that were
that were happening here. Uh we had to
do it somehow. You know this is part of
what helped us do that. I would not be
surprised if the Epstein
trafficking
apparatus started
with similar motivations. not you know
that it's not for necessarily for
blackmail but because it makes clients
or customers or you know VIP people
happy. It makes that it makes them owe
you something. It makes them want to get
involved in a deal you do even if the
deal is not one they would ordinarily do
because they just want to stay close to
you because you're their supplier of the
thing, you know, of their vice of the
thing that they, you know, want but
can't get. You know, if you're if you're
a 70-year-old billionaire, you can't
walk into a bar and leave aside the the
underage thing. You can't walk into a
bar, you know, and, you know, meet an
18-year-old who's, you know, I'm pres
I'm presume, you know, these things are
facilitated that at private parties and
it needs to, you know, for a lot of
these guys, it has to be discreet. You
know, they've got wives, they've got
reputations,
and you know, there's an aspect of this
that plays out at every institution. I I
worked at a New York law firm and you
know there's you know there's there's
ways that you can make partner
uh you know at least this was kind of
the vibe that I felt like some people
make partner because they're really good
technically at what they do. They're
just amazing. They're just technical
whizzes on the minutia of how to
structure a merger or acquisition. They
you know they're just really great at
structuring an offshore banking
transaction or they're really they just
know absolutely everything about tax
law. There's some people who move up
because of nepotism. You know, they're
the brother brother and they're the
son-in-law of of a major partner. There
are some people who make partner because
they know one they brought in one client
who's just a really big main uh rain
maker. And there are some people who
move up because they open doors to
partners while they're associates. They
introduce them to someone. They host
events. They've got, you know, tickets
to exclusive things. And the partners
just like being around that person
because they get access to that person
uh in a currency that they can't get on
their own. And that includes hosting,
you know, cool exotic parties, having,
you know, attractive women. I I I've
never been convinced that the central
role of the Epstein young girl uh
in my view sidebar of of the Epstein
money laundering story is uh is that it
was for blackmail. I and part of this is
because the moment Jeffrey Epstein
formally
officially threatens somebody with
blackmail and that person tells his wife
and that wife tells her friends and that
gets out to somebody else that knows
Jeffrey Epstein,
Jeffrey Epste's access goes away
overnight. That's the sort of thing that
even a rumor of that spreading and
nobody else is going to want to do
business with them.
>> So, you think people just assume it's
blackmail because that is how you would
blackmail someone, especially underage
girls? I think it is very possible that
there could have been indirect
blackmail, meaning Epstein passes it on
to an intelligence service to uh you
know to a corporate espionage client or
something um and they use that for their
own purposes. But even then,
I mean, imagine for example, if you
know, like on the Bill Gates thing, like
there was an e, you know, Bill Gates
gets an email, I have a video of you
sleeping with this person and you know,
or somebody much lower level. The moment
they send that to the press, if you
know, in order to they figure they have
nothing to lose. I mean, there's not
been anybody in the seven years that's
transpired who said, "I've been I was
personally blackmailed by Jeffrey Eps."
I think cuz the moment you do that,
nobody comes to your parties anymore.
Nobody. You lose all the access. You
lose all the deal flow. You lose all the
goodwill that you've generated because
this rumor, people are very riskaverse,
especially at that level.
>> Right. But just to have it over their
head and never use it though,
>> right? Well, I think what I think that
what you could have is because he does
his own nefarious stuff, he could
compile it so that if they ever go out,
if they ever threaten him with
something, he's now got something on
them. And I've seen some correspondence
that, you know, in the files that that
looks like that might not be an
impossible scenario.
>> Do you think that's how Jeffrey Epstein
got in that position in the first place,
that they knew he had this kink? No, not
at all. I mean, Adna Kosigible had the
same thing. Adnan Kosogible was running
around with dozens of young and, you
know, apparently underage girls. It, you
know, the whole time. I think that
Jeffrey Epstein probably learned, you
know, how powerful that can be through
through that network. Seeing that that's
that's what powerful people do. uh that
gives them something that
gets them a lot of local influence and
gets wins them a lot of favor.
>> But that's a very specific illicit
desire
to want underage people.
>> Well, a very How do you even find out
that someone's into that? Well, I don't
think that the majority or anything
close to it of of the women were
technically I mean I think it was
largely very young um
>> you know barely legal so to speak but
and I know that there were cases of
underage but I you know I think
>> most of it was just
>> most of it was just very very young but
not
>> not like 20y old not like 13y old type
thing and then yeah remember because
this is an international enterprise and
many of the clients are like
uh you know in countries that don't
necessarily have the same norms about
that
>> that we do. Um you can very easily see
someone getting involved in that just
because girls juice deals. And so I I
don't think that Epstein
I've not seen evidence and
in my view you don't need any of that to
understand the core part of the Epstein
story that is relevance to to your life
today in terms of your own government
and the workings of power and corporate
finance and the like. But I I I do think
that Girls Choose deals and the fact
that he had the coolest parties on a
private island with the hottest girls
>> brought in a lot of intellectuals,
stimulating conversations, scientists,
all these very interesting people. So
that was part of the thing, right? That
was the draw.
>> Try hosting a cool party as a guy
without with with a bad ratio, so to
speak. uh sausage party with a sausage
party. And when you develop a reputation
for having attractive women at the
parties you host,
>> you become uh an you become an an
important person to know in the network
because basically every male has that
has a desire for attractive women. Not
saying underage obviously, but that is
like a universal
biological desire for men to be want to
be around attractive women.
>> And what did they do for gay guys?
>> I have no idea. Uh
>> is that a part of the file or the the
lore?
>> I've not seen evidence of it. I or if if
I have, I can't recall it offhand. But
>> the whole point is he's throwing these
very attractive, cool parties to get all
these people together.
>> But that's what juices deals,
>> right?
>> If you
take this scenario, um Epstein's running
a fund. um a
a donor, a colleague, someone that he'd
like to do a favor for, or an
intelligence service says, "Hey,
um
we're trying to get a pipeline built in
the Middle East.
Um we we need a you know, a facilitator
to help arrange
private outside funding for it." So this
thing can be constructed and it doesn't
look like it's coming from the US
government or just but you know we'll uh
the US government will provide some sort
of loan guarantee or something on it but
we can't raise enough money to do this.
It needs to come from the outside but it
would really help American national
security and there's probably something
in it for you if you can get this done.
Epstein then goes out and says to um
then puts out basically uh tries to make
contact with people in his network who
might be interested in that deal and
then goes and that he goes out to five
people. Two of them are uh you know in
the space locally. The the deal terms
look good. They want to do it 100%. No
hesitation. Um,
and then two people say, "Well, listen,
it's a good idea in concept, but I don't
know, the risk profile on it looks a
little high. This normally is not would
not be something that my team would
clear. We uh, you know, it's
interesting, but you know, I
it's just it's a little rich for my
blood in terms of the risk profile, but
Jeffrey Epste asked them to do it." and
Jeffrey Epstein, you know, for the past
three years of their lives has been the
best weekend they've ever had, has uh,
you know, is made them feel alive again
in their, you know, mid-50s or 60s. Has,
uh, you know, has opened all sorts of
other deals for, you know, for them, and
this deal might work out. So, uh, if I
I'm afraid that if I say no to Jeffrey
Epstein on this deal, I'm not going to
get an invite to the next party. I'm not
gonna be able to get laid again with
like, you know, a girl that I f with,
you know, women I find attractive or
that, you know, yada yada and Epstein
hooks those up. Uh, I will do I'll get
in on this deal just because I want to
be in the good graces of Jeffrey
Epstein,
>> not, you know, because this the deal as
a standalone thing. It's because it's
juiced by the girls, the parties, the
lifestyle that Epstein allows you to
have access to.
>> But in the public eye, the narrative is
underage girls. And this is the thing
that makes it so disgusting. When people
talk about it, everyone says, "Fuck kids
on the island." This is the this is the
the the big conspiracy about it. And
this is the reason why people are so
outraged about it.
My concern with the runaway train on
that is that um
it's a massive manhunt for something
that it may be true to me. It's a it's a
it's a needle in the haststack. It might
be true. Good luck looking for it. And
when when when I think about it
logically with the role that Epstein
played between BCCI, Iran Contra, uh
Latin American politics, African
politics, Asian politics, major, you
know, world foundations, all you don't
need.
It would seem
ludicrous to me that Epstein
doesn't mean it's impossible,
but logistically if Epstein ever
directly threatens someone
um proactively, that is if the person
tries to blackmail Epstein, Epstein
could, you know, reactively say, "Well,
I've got I've got [ __ ] on you, too." but
proactively and really really do someone
in like that and word gets around that
that happens.
everything everything he built goes the
whole rolodex finds out and then even if
the rumors not even if that rumor isn't
even he even if he didn't if that rumor
existed people aren't going to want to
go to the parties because uh now that's
not like an unfettered good time that is
like oh he did this to this guy I know
>> right
>> and uh so
and the fact that you know these sorts
of things they have a you
like well way beyond blackmail. They
have they have a value in terms of
bringing people in network and keeping
clients and customers happy and
providing access and and I think
I think that the the focus on that
listen if there were if there were any
sort of receipts whatsoever on that
after all these years if there was like
something really good to chew on on that
on that thread I'm I'm very I'm
open-minded about
But my concern is the fixation on this.
If you think about the sort of pie chart
of what the Epstein cinematic universe
can tell you about the world,
even if it's true, it's a very very very
small fraction of that. And this gets
back to in 1999. I I mentioned
Jeffrey Epstein
foyed the Central Intelligence Agency in
1999
for all records about himself
and then he did it again in 2011. Now
Jeffrey Epstein was not a public figure
at all in 1999. He didn't come into
public awareness, public attention until
2001, 2002 when he started flying when
he flew Bill Bill Clinton around
postpresidentidency Bill Clinton around
uh on his Africa tour around the time of
the start of the Clinton Foundation and
everyone was wondering whoa who's who's
this eccentric billionaire who uh is
personally flying around on his private
jet the president of the United States
for the past eight years and that's when
you know the Jeffrey Epstein celebrity
story started, but he was a he was a
private figure in 1999 when he foyed the
Central Intelligence Agency for records
and and the and we just learned this in
the files this week.
The the response, we don't actually have
the underlying
what's what's in the files is a 2011
FOYA response to Jeffrey Epstein's
lawyer. Jeffrey Epste did this through
his lawyer using the Privacy Act. This
is a way to basically kind of
anonymously foyer the the CIA to uh
basically keep communications between
the CIA and your lawyer for information
you're entitled to under the privacy act
about about yourself.
And we don't have the underlying letter
in the files tragically and for whatever
reason. But we uh but what we do have
because I would expect that to be an
enclosure to the CIA response. But the
fact is is anybody who wants to be a
hero right now and I have it up on my on
my ex account I have in the thread that
I did on this the reference the file
reference numbers. These are not
classified documents. Foyer responses
are not classified. So, anybody right
now can foyer the Central Intelligence
Agency for all records and
communications related to the CIA's
written communications with Jeffrey
Epstein via his lawyer both in 1999
2011, but the 2011 what it says is we
have received your request for your
client Jeffrey Epstein's uh you know uh
records search under the Freedom of
Information Act. Uh, we've granted the
request to search for all open and
acknowledged agency affiliations between
Jeffrey Epstein and the CIA.
Uh, we have run that search and the
answer is no documents are responsive to
the request. And then it says in the
next paragraph, with respect to your
request that touches on classified uh
classified documents, we can neither
confirm nor deny the existence or
non-existence of of any such documents.
So you can consider this a partial
denial of your foyer request. Now,
what's so interesting about that is you
may think if you read that that Jeffrey
Epstein
uh you know just requested any public
facing links between him and the CIA. Um
or uh you know what just a general you
know uh what do you have on me that the
public can search just to see? First of
all, the fact that he did that alone
twice in 1999 2011 says something. But
the you might think, okay, well, he just
wants to know if other people might
think that he's CIA, you know, he's he's
moving up in the world in 1999. He's
about to be a massive public figure. He
wants to know if other people
foyer the CIA for records on him, what
they will see.
And but that it turns out that response
to a FOYA partial granting of the FOYA
to look for open and acknowledged agency
links and partial glowar uh can neither
confirm nor deny existence non-existence
is a stock CIA foyer response whenever
you foyer the CIA for someone's
personnel files
which leads to the question because The
fact that the CIA says we we are
consider this a denial of your request
for classified for things that touch on
classified matters means that he asked
he he didn't just ask for all open and
and acknowledged links between the CIA
and himself. He asked for something and
whatever that thing was, it touched on
something classified. There would have
been no glowar if if there would have
been nothing to deny about the request.
if it had only been limited to open and
acknowledged links.
To me, this is a bombshell and should
prompt Roana and and Thomas Massie and
the 427 members of the House of
Representatives and 100% of the US
Senate to pass the same bill that the
United States Congress did in 1992 for
for all for the JFK uh you know, Records
Collection Act when the CIA was forced
by law to stand up an independent
auditing body to review all classified
records relating to the JFK
assassination for the first time
and then declassify them over months and
years through the work of that
independent board.
The existence of of this correspondence
we just learned about this week alone
should prompt a 427 to1 and 100% Senate
to do the same thing they just did with
DOJ files for CIA originated files.
That's actionable immediately. Who's
going to want to be on the other side of
that in Congress? No. The CIA's records
about Jeffrey Epstein, prolific child
sex traff, however you want, you know,
whatever you see in the Roshock Inkblot
test of of the Epstein universe. Um, I
think it would be very hard to be if
that bill gets introduced for a sitting
member of Congress to be on the other
side of it. I think it would pass and it
would legally compel the CIA to turn
over what I think are quite possibly
arguably very likely 40 years of CIA
documents referencing Epstein. The CIA
would not be doing its job if it didn't
have records about Jeffrey Epstein.
Jeffrey Epstein was a
counterintelligence threat with all the
foreign countries that he was dealing
with. If if he had been a double agent
sort of thing, the CIA would not be
doing its job if it was not keeping tab.
The C Epstein's network was a key
financial and logistics hubs in highly
geopolitical sensitive areas of
operation of the CIA. The economics
division of the CIA, let alone, you
know, the operations division is going
to have to, you know, uh keep uh
analysts informed about money flows in
those countries. And when you add and
then you add in the fact that he
represented Anan Kosigible's money who
was the CI's main point person
for 10 years uh the the literal central
lynch pin and his money is being
handled. There's no way and you would
now have a legal mechanism to enforce CI
declassification if Congress forces it.
Now the other part of it is okay why
hasn't the CIA turned this over before?
You could argue it's a Orlando Masser
case. It would embarrass the agency. It
would mean in Congress their funding is
going to get decimated because they're
they're toxic. You can argue it's
foreign governments that don't want the
but part of it is the CI is not allowed
to do this unless the Congress forces
them. These are classified documents. I
mean it could,
you know, charitably volunteer to OD and
uh by conducting,
you know, an internal task force uh that
voluntarily,
you know, ask Tulsi Gabbard to
declassify these. Uh I wouldn't hold
your breath on that, but this is
immediately actionable and it would
solve the mystery. All we need is one
brave member of Congress to get the ball
rolling and stand up that bill and you
can just copy paste the 1992 JFK Records
Collection Act and just substitute JFK
for Jeffrey Epstein.
>> What's your take on the circumstances
around his death?
>> I don't know.
I
>> It's weird that they took a guy who is
one of the most high-profile defendants
ever and you put him in jail with a mass
murderer.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Kind of crazy. You put him in jail with
a cop who had killed drug dealers. A
juiced up gigantic cop.
>> Yeah.
>> Who was obviously a psychopath. And then
18 days before he died, he complained
that that guy tried to kill him.
>> Yeah.
Uh,
I mean it it it doesn't look good. I
>> It's just crazy that this guy wasn't in
protective custody. It's crazy that the
cameras go down. It's crazy that the
footage that they've released is weird
because it's missing it's missing time.
>> And it's crazy that it happened under
the watch of an attorney general who
himself was so deeply embedded in the
Epstein network his whole life. I mean,
from the weird kind of coincidence of
Bill Bar's father, Donald Bar and
Jeffrey Epstein's Dalton school to the
fact that Bill Bar started his career in
the CIA during the Iron Contra operation
that Jeffrey Epstein was appears to have
been doing the covert money laundering
for. I mean, Jeffrey Bill Bar was like
seven years. He went to Knight Law
School, trained to be a lawyer while he
was at the CIA. And then his, you know,
main job was being the CIA's blocker and
tackler to obstruct
uh he was the he was the CIA's point of
contact to Congress during the Iran
Contra scandal that Jeffrey Epstein was
so deeply involved in. uh and was blamed
in the press at the time for being the
person at CIA blocking Congress from
seeing the CIA scan documents that were
so central to the scandal. Then he
becomes the attorney general of the
United States and he writes the pardons
of the BCCI officials
who was co-leading that investigation,
Robert Mueller at the time. This is in
the early 1990s, the first time Bill
Bar.
So you have the BCCI Bear Sterns
multi-billion dollar operation
that appears to me that Jeffrey Epstein
was working on and then got took the
clients from that deal as his own
personal clients when he went private on
his own. and Bill Barr is who lets the
people from the crooked CIA bank off the
hook and then he becomes attorney
general again. Uh, you know, and in 2019
it's he's the one in charge of the FBI.
The FBI answers to the Justice
Department. The FBI is the same
relationship with with justice that the
CIA has with state. You know, they're
the investigative arm of the Justice
Department.
So, you know, I I think if you I think
it's hard to trust anyone on this and I
don't know, you know, what kind of file
set the Trump FBI inherited after after
all this time. Uh it it's hard to make
heads or tails of it. To me, I think
getting answers on the things that are
immediately actionable, you getting the
CIA's direct correspondence with Jeffrey
Epstein, you know, that I mentioned, uh,
a a congressional bill that forces that
because if it comes out that there are
effectively an an entire avalanche of
classified Epstein files,
uh, dating back 40 years, and then
you've got the CIA attorney G. It puts
these things in a in a very different
light depending on whether
the thing that has generated so much
smoke this whole time uh the allegation
of protection
by US government intelligence and
however many others uh to know that on
physical paper like we know that the CIA
interfered in the Orlando Mass trial
like We know that the CIA contracted out
to mafia hitman an attempt to kill a
foreign president. Like we know that MK
Ultra actually was real. We these things
you can't scale, you know, I think of
things like a like a Jenga tower. If if
if a foundational piece is not solid,
you can scale a whole architecture of BS
on top of it. And if that assumption
falls away, this majestic looking, you
know, tapestry of just years and years
of effort collapses because the thing
you assumed to be true because it looked
like there was so much smoke to to know
it to be true that that is a solid piece
that you can put the next piece on top
of.
You know, it's um there's that quote,
99% is a [ __ ] 100% is a breeze.
>> What does that mean?
>> It means when you're only 99% sure of
something, you you always have to
agonize.
Well, what if it's not true?
And it and I think it is and I build all
this stuff on top of it. The 1% chance
that that's not true means uh it would
be a real [ __ ] for this me to spend
years of effort on this thing for me to
spend thousand you know millions of
dollars you know on this thing when it's
based on assumption that was only 99%
likely to be true but 1% it may have
been structured some way different there
might be something I missed in this
whereas 100% is a breeze. Okay, it's
automatic. You can and things like this
is why document drops like this are so
vital. Not even necessarily because they
have some single smoking gun that tells
you who killed JFK or you know uh
what client Jeffrey Epstein traffked
women to. but because it allows you
to put down real Jenga pieces about what
actually happened and that process
itself allows you to ask the questions
that might get you to those answers.
>> That makes a lot of sense. Um, is there
anything else you want to add to this?
>> I mean, we could kind of go on for days.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you spend so much
time on this stuff. How do you have that
kind of an attention span? It's kind of
nuts. I mean, I I follow some of your
live streams. I'm like, first of all,
your recall is insane.
>> You know, I I heard something once which
I think is really helpful. I don't think
I'm special in any way like this. I
think literally anyone can do this if
you just kind of apply this kind of
trick. I heard this once, which is that
if you read a history book,
don't just read it agnostically.
Have a theory in mind about what you
think
this is and how it worked. Even if you
are wrong about that theory, what you
will find is that names, dates,
locations,
your brain will remember them forever
because they're not,
you know, if I'm if I'm thinking about
something that happened in, you know,
uh, I don't know, like November 11th,
1983.
Okay. If if I see like that date on a
driver's license card or something, um,
and I have no theory of mind when I see
that, I'm not going to remember that
five minutes from then. It's it's going
to be like remembering trying to
remember a 11 string, you know, number
or like someone's cell phone or
something when you don't really know the
person or you've never, you know, you
haven't dialed it a million times. But
if you have a theory of mind that you
are indexing those things in relation
to, what you find is that your your
brain keeps those in that index. So like
I I've joked like
because you we've talked about this Iran
Contra affair which was really the
creation of this apparatus that we live
under today where because the CIA got
handcuffs put on it, everything had to
become CIA to get around those
handcuffs. the universities had to be
the foundations, the private
philanthropic donors, you know, that and
this is what happened in the censorship
industrial complex. It was all wrapped
around this. But what you find is like
those dates mean something to you
because they're they're placed in
relation to something else that happens.
Uh, you know, I I joke that like I index
things by, you know, Iron Contra often.
Like for example, if if there's when I
was, you know, studying about BCCI and I
learned, okay, this happened in 1984, I
don't just think about 1984 as a an
abstract thing. I think, okay, well,
that means it happened after the meeting
between Robert McFarland and Anand
Kosigible, but before the uh you know,
the oil pipeline scandal of Edme. And
then so I remember that this thing
happened on this date because I place it
into that index and anyone I think it's
it's a
I think it's something that anyone you
know I think people organically do it
when they're really passionate about
something. And um you know this is an
easy thing to be passionate about
because
it gets to the heart of networks that
are the determining power structures of
of your life. When you look up and then
you look up at the thing that you're
looking up at and you look up at the
thing you above that. This is this is
the network you see whether it's in
intelligence, military, statecraftraft,
high finance, private philanthropies,
universities, labor unions, scientific
research. It doesn't mean it's, you
know, the Epstein network, so to speak,
but it's it's this this layer of
interconnected human networks. And I
think it's an an important history for
the American people to have access to so
that they can make informed decisions
about how they want to change that
world. How they can make informed
decisions about what to vote for. They
can make informed decisions about what
kind of, you know, industries that
they're participating in that they might
want to see reformed.
And uh it's so it makes it easy to be
passionate about because if we can if we
can get a win here, it'll really change
the world.
>> Well, I think you do a great service and
I think you're abilities are
exceptional. I think you're selling
yourself short a little bit. You're
being a little self-deprecating because
it's very unusual what you're able to do
and I I think the just the sheer amount
of time that you've invested in this
stuff is kind of mind-boggling. Well,
what would you like to see in this? Like
if if you had a wish list, what are the
things that are open threads or
>> Well,
the the real concern with me is that
it's unfixable and that this is just a
standard
way that our government has operated
since the 1950s or whenever and it can't
be fixed and that they'll just gloss
over it. a new person will get into
office and promise that they're gonna
implement some reform and it never
happens and that we just accept that
over and over and over again. That's the
real fear. The real fear is that there's
a slow capture of our democracy to the
point where it's just a mere illusion.
That's the real fear. And I think a lot
of people think that we've already
passed the point of no return on that.
That's what scares the [ __ ] out of a lot
of people. And then when you see um
things that are happening in other
countries
um like particularly England which is
just
rampant crackdown on free speech and
what the the arrests from people that
are posting things on social media sites
and the implementations of uh there's a
a new thing that they tried to do or I
think they are doing this concept of uh
having a limited amount of times you can
drive outside of a zone. And after that,
you have to pay for it. That's a new
thing, right?
>> Yeah. Smart type concept.
>> I can send this to you, Jamie, because I
just sent it to uh Constantin
It appears to be real and it's
terrifying.
>> Your carbon budget.
>> Yeah, that's nuts. Well, look at what
California is doing right now. What
California is doing is um they are
taking uh or they're they're moving
forward with this the idea that you have
a um
a tax on the amount of miles that you
drive now.
>> Yeah.
>> So instead of just taxing gas like
they've always done, now they're taxing
you on the amount of miles that you
drive. Well, you're already getting tax
on that. If you're driving more miles,
you're spending more money on gas. So
you're getting you're spending more
money on tax. But now they're taxing on
top of that, which is essentially
they're stealing money.
>> Yeah.
>> Um, why can't I find it?
Uh, Ford here. Here you go. Hold on a
second.
Jamie, you're on uh you're on Signal,
right?
>> Uh, I can get it to myself.
It is really interesting how that whole
thing
>> I said signal
>> the but uh
>> but it's crazy that
the California thing is bananas.
>> It just says Wow.
>> That's it.
>> Oh, it doesn't have the link.
>> Link. Okay, hold on.
>> Huh? Oh, maybe this is it. Hold on. Hold
on a second.
I think there's a really interesting uh
underdeveloped history around the
origins of the
uh climate
the 2006 2005 2006 2007 really uh
global warming climate kind of policy
push from the US government
that became a runaway train uh as
investor money rushed in. It's my it's
my opinion and I'm open-minded about it,
but it it appears to be the case
in my view after
a study of this uh that the US
government uh together with uh foreign
allies pursued this kind of you know uh
demonization of of carbon at a real
policy level or hydrocarbon based fuels
uh as a
kind of geopolitical battering ram
against newly resurgent Russia in the
mid 2000s.
uh as as Putin was getting power back
over a bunch of post uh postsviet
Eastern satellite countries through
basically pipeline exploiting his
leverage uh around pipelines and the
fact that you know this is like the John
McCain type quote right that Russia is a
gas station with the military right you
hear that a lot
>> you know Gasprom the state sponsored uh
oil company was like effectively the
biggest oil company in Well, gas problem
wasn't for gas but Ross Neft and Roy
Russia had you at one point the largest
oil uh you know exports in in the world.
It was it was the motor engine of their
economy. uh oil and gas and the olig the
relationship between Russian oligarchs
and businessmen and Eastern European
Russian oligarchs and and businessmen
allowed that hydrocarbon-based
um dependency and financial opportunity
to let Putin reassert Russian control
over central and eastern European
countries that that NATO was trying to
you know turn into you know western
vassel states essentially. viously had
this in the 1990s this wasn't an issue
because Boris Yelton was the president
and he was effectively
um
an adjunct of of the US government
incidentally through Larry Summers and
the Jeffrey Epstein Harvard network but
uh so there became this push after uh
you know Russia's interventions in
Georgia and the like and a big attack on
on a lot of uh you know high level
Republican And well well basically
I think this push to try to create uh a
shift in the types of energy the world
uses was a way to kneecap
uh Russia's main source of revenue to
ensure that the
um the Eurasia
the the plan to 's uh political or
vassal state control over Eurasia would
continue against Putin's new nationalist
uh and global resurgence and this
includes a bunch of crap that happened
in 2003 2004 but effectively then you
started to see the US government
champion these hydrocarbon policies and
you started to see all of these
international forums, journals,
regulators openly talking uh in this
mids period as Russia was starting to
reclaim political influence that these
climate policies
would be a way to stop Russian power and
influence because it would [ __ ] them
economically. They'd have there'd be no
there'd be no business, you know,
between oligarchs in the different
countries for them to even leverage. It
would uh effectively allow us to
continue the golden age of the uniarty
1990s moment. And then you saw all these
government subsidies toward to it, you
know, uh tax benefits like, you know,
free money basically. Uh and then it
became a runaway as the the market saw
that that this was a highly protected
incentivized space by the US government.
They all flooded in. Now they've got a
sunk cost. If those policies change,
you've got trillions of dollars in
climate finance globally,
>> right? And then these started becoming
part of like IMF loan you know
requirements and uh and but now it's
like even if the science is completely
wrong
uh what started arguably as a kind of
you know national security
based way to force energy
diversification. This is what we we put
Europe through the United States with
the sanctions against Russia. we forced
them to uh you know divest of of of oil
and gas and invest in a basket of you
know alternative energy cleaner energy
supplies. Uh but now it's and they and
that could be justified at the national
security level with the science of this
actually being the case. Uh so you could
sell it to the whole world. Uh
even if even if you prove that false at
this point there's there's so much
infrastructure built up that um you know
you have this network you have you have
hedge funds you know you got I mean Bill
Gates has a climate fund Al Gore is a
billionaire from from this one Tommy
Styer one of the biggest investors in
DNC the climate impact fund Michael
Bills who funded uh the CIA governor of
Virginia Abigail Spanberlar and and
>> then the momentum of the it's sort of an
unstoppable social narrative now.
>> Right. Well, and it's and the thing
that's terrifying about it is that it
has conjoined the diplomatic muscle of
of the American government and whatever
allies abroad with private finance. Like
for example, like uh we overthrew the
government of Bangladesh in 2024. The
Biden administration did. They ran this
whole coup. They did it through the
national down for democracy. CIA cutout
and a million other orgs on the ground.
It was a color revolution street
protest. You know, I think we may have
talked about this last time where
literally the CIA
sock puppet National Endowown for
Democracy sponsored like rap music
videos and you know produced them and
put them on YouTube and uh and then
worked with the unions you know set up
like transgender dance festivals to try
to get the you know the LGBT community
you know on board against the
government. and then you know giant
riots they install you know it's
effectively a but part of the the thing
that they they leaned on in the
post-transition government is to you
know agree to these
you know basic basically like climate
finance reforms and you can
just like the CIA and the oil industry
became completely inseparable completely
inseparable I mean George Bush for
example Zapata Energy Offshore and the
whole Texas oil thing and uh you know to
then becoming the Central Intelligence
Agency director. I mean Trump's first
Secretary of State was Rex Tillerson.
Rex Tillerson never worked in
government. The Secretary of State
oversees the CIA. He's got the whole CIA
portfolio. How's he know? Well, he was
the chairman and CEO of Exxon Mobile.
You can't The CIA and the US military
creates the market for oil companies.
You can't get access to the oil unless
you either overthrow a government or
support against a insurgency political
movement one that will guarantee you
favorable terms uh you know access yada
yada the whole market and then the CIA
and DoD people will rotate into board
seats on those oil companies and so it
becomes inseparable and my fear about
this is that over the past 10 years the
same thing has started to happen with
the client the the the sort of you know
clean energy side of the uh you know of
big energy companies like in big oil and
C big oil and CIA for a century now you
have like big climate and CIA because
there's so much money it's energy is the
master resource and so now you've got
you know what appears to me CIA
intervention in part like some of these
things you have to wonder why did the
Biden CIA try to overthrow the Bolsinaro
government in Brazil. This was a pro- US
uh political party. It was a uh the the
person, you know, Lula was tied at the
hip with China, divested from all these
US contracts, you know, massively
reduced the, you know, the the footprint
of of US aligned policies in the second
biggest country country in our
hemisphere.
And well, you know, Brazil just
announced like this $ 1.3 trillion
climate finance initiative and you know,
all of these people are all these New
York hedge funds and London banks who've
skated towards this are are in on that.
You have I mean this is a crazy case. Uh
you know, one of the biggest
beneficiaries of the post coup Lula's
government in Brazil uh were all of the
uh clean ethanol. George Soros's longest
standing equity investment at that point
was country a company called Adicoagra
which did a clean ethanol uh fuel uh
alternatives. The problem is is it's you
know it's part of its business. Part of
it is it's not competitive on price with
you know diesel
based fuels. So the only way to, you
know, compete and win that market and
make millions of dollars is if the
government imposes a mandate, a quota
that forces people to buy your product.
Well, George Soros co-sponsored those
CIA adjacent national down for democracy
operations all over Brazil. Well, he's,
you know, holding an equity interest in
the thing that day one there's an
imposed mandate to use those cl those
climate products. It's the same thing in
Africa. You have like CIA regime change
to force clean energy companies so that
the people who sponsor the the the
donors who sponsor the politicians who
pick the staff of the CIA
enacts policies that makes money for
those hedge funds invested in in climate
finance.
>> So [ __ ] up.
>> I think that's what's happening in
California without the regime change
element. I think at the kind of you know
I I think you have investors who who
profit from this and the only way those
investments can be profitable is if
government imposes mandates, quotas and
bans on the on alternatives to that
product. I mean that's kind of the way
the vaccine market works.
Do you get that link?
>> Yeah. Um
should we play it?
>> Yeah, just play it.
sound. Hold on.
>> The UK, they just set up their little
15-minute city and they are now charging
people for leaving the city. You get 100
free days. They call it a free day. You
get a free pass to leave the 15-minute
city. And if you exceed your 100 free
days, you have to pay the US dollar
equivalent of $93 per day. And if you
live outside of the 15-minute city and
you want to travel into the 15-minute
city, you get 25 free passes. Free move.
Oh, they're the government's giving you
free movement capability. You get 25
free passes. And if you exceed those 25
days, it's $93 a day. And how are they
tracking all this? Oh, there's not a man
at the gate. They're not writing up
tickets or having police officers
settle. Oh, no. They are monitoring you
with digital AI surveillance and
cameras. and then they're automatically
finding you. This is why we have to be
against the flock cameras in the United
States. They're not just speed trap
cameras. This is why we have to be
against the Palanteer whole of
government database. This is why we have
to stand up and raise awareness and
bring attention to these matters instead
of arguing with each other and NPCs on
the internet over left versus right
issues or my side, your side. They are
keeping us artificially divided because
they are setting up this infrastructure
in the United States right now. Divide
and conquer. We are in the division part
of the divide and conquer agenda.
Conquer is next. You think it's bad now?
Wait till you have to pay $100 a day to
leave your 15-minute city. The
conspiracy,
>> right? So only rich people are going to
be able to afford that. It's just like
the meat thing, right? It's like, you
know, the you're the irony of, you know,
Australia being a prison colony and now
you've got uh now it's like the homeland
in the UK. But I mean, look, the UK just
got rid of like jury trials for a lot of
cases and
>> uh you know has 12,000 speech arrests a
year and some people arrested for what
seems like even holding up their own
country's flag at an opportune moment or
silently praying and uh you know we we
we need to liberate the British people.
I I mean it's it's it's unbelievable
that I mean they call it perfidious
albon right British statecraft has been
so pernicious to the American people in
the past decade it was I mean Russia
gate the the entire three-year special
prosecutor saga was because of a British
spy Christopher Steel and and a and an
Iran Contra veteran Stefan Halper uh
residing abroad at Cambridge to kick
that off. And then
the the British government conspired
with the Biden administration to create
uh to to conjoin the US UK censorship
industrial complex. uh America First
Legal, Steven Miller and Gene Hamilton's
um non nonprofit law firm they started
obtained these incredible documents uh
that showed a a planning meeting between
the British government and the Biden
administration
uh attended by the CIA, the National
Security Council, USAD hosted at the
White House and it was the British the
UK digital commission. uh they brought a
huge slide deck of all the ways that
their new censorship law, what's today
called the online service online safety
act, the OSA, um would effectively help
throttle misinformation in the United
States. Like basically it was like uh
you scratch your back, our back, we'll
scratch yours. And it was this, you
know, US Democrat party, UK Labor Party
alliance. Meanwhile, the Biden
government was paying British sensors.
They the global disinformation index,
which you know killed like the ad, you
know, revenue for like they went after
Daily Wire, Federalist, a million
conservative news sites and social media
accounts. You went after the social
media platforms in the United States.
They're British black ops by their own
language. the well CCDH who was but but
they were funded by our government to
censor our voices but laundered out to
the UK and I think we need to
fundamentally uh restructure that
special relationship. We've had that
relationship for a long time totally
unquestioned. Uh I
we can't farm that out. we and if if
that's not if that's not addressed and
we don't fix that relationship, uh I
think you can't really fix our own
system unless we, you know, um cut out
some of the poison that we inject from
the outside.
>> Well, Mike, we gave people a lot to go
over, almost too much, but you uh if
anybody wants more, uh your ex account
is amazing. Uh you're you're tireless. I
don't know how you do it, but uh thank
you for doing it. I I really appreciate
you and I appreciate you coming on here.
>> Oh, thanks so much for having me. I
Nothing but fun from here. I mean, look,
it's fun. I mean, guys, the world is
opening up and we are seeing behind a
looking glass where there has been a
veil of secrecy for 60 years about some
of these things, for 10 years about some
of these things. So, don't get too
blackpilled. This is
something has happened that has never
happened before and you are alive to
experience it. So, you know, try to
enjoy the ride. All right. Thanks. Bye
everybody.
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The video discusses the release of previously unpublicized government files, focusing on the Jeffrey Epstein case and its connections to various government agencies and international dealings. The speaker highlights how these documents reveal complex networks of intelligence operations, financial dealings, and political influence, tracing back decades. Key themes include the CIA's historical involvement in covert operations, money laundering through offshore banks, and the intricate relationship between government intelligence, private business, and organized crime. The discussion also touches upon the JFK files release, the Iran-Contra affair, and how these historical events connect to current issues like disinformation campaigns and the weaponization of climate policy. The speaker emphasizes the importance of transparency and urges for further investigation into these interconnected systems, suggesting that understanding these historical patterns is crucial for comprehending contemporary geopolitical and financial structures.
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