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>> All right.

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What a day to have you in here, buddy.

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>> Kid in a candy shop. We hacked the

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government. We hacked the government's

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files, evident. I mean, this is We have

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three and a half million files that it

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feels like we should not have. It would

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have been great to have had seven years

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ago in 2019 when this was being

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litigated, but it's an incredible moment

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of transparency for how the world works,

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how governments interact with the

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private sector and funds, and it's just

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really cool to be a part of it.

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>> What was the holdup? What was the

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because it seemed like there was a lot

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of people that did not want these files

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released.

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>> Yeah, I thought about this a lot.

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What we have access to now are internal

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documents from the Justice Department

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and the FBI that are normally even

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though they're not classified, they are

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part of a criminal investigation and so

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they're not normally disclosable to the

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public. Um, it could be the case that it

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kind of required a congressional bill to

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force this out. Like when you if if

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there's a internal investigation and

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it's not a part of a court document

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that's entered into evidence,

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you can't just foyer the Justice

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Department to get dirt on your political

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enemies because you think that they

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might be involved in something.

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Now, I don't know if it could have been

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done through an executive order around

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Epstein transparency around the time of

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the first binders. Certainly, it looked

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like there was friction between the

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president and Thomas Massie over this

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issue. Um, but I don't I don't know the

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details of what went down there, but the

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fact is the bill passed 427 to1 in the

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House.

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>> Who's the one?

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My recollection is that it was Randy

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Fine, but I might be wrong on that. So,

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I don't want to smear.

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>> There was one person or imply anything

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unduly.

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>> They didn't want it released because

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they thought it would compromise the

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victims, right?

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>> Uh,

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>> at one point in time at least.

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>> Yeah. I

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I don't know what the what the

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rationale, you know, is. And because I

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don't recall off hand who the one is, uh

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I don't want to lean on that too much,

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but uh the fact is is nobody wanted to

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be on the other side of this. I can't

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think of anything that both Republicans

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and Democrats voted on 427 to1 and oh

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sorry, Klay Higgins, sorry, apologies to

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Randy. Fine. Uh yeah. So

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um there was the

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I mean there was obviously friction

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because this implicates everybody

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Republicans and Democrats uh Americans

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and a dozen different foreign countries

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uh heads of major hedge funds and

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multinational corporations donors to all

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political parties major university and

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science institutions.

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Uh I mean

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almost every major player in world

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affairs was

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in some way

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either either involved in or adjacent to

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this network or the network tried to

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reach out to them because they were

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influential. And so, you know, there was

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kind of a mutually assured destruction

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around the Epstein hot potato for a

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decade now, which is that, you know, out

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of power, the Republicans said, "Oh, the

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Democrats are don't want to disclose

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this because of the Clintons." And then

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the Trump administration gets into power

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and there's a very slow, you know,

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reaction to the kind of disclosures that

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culminated in what happened this week.

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And so you had the Democrats saying,

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"Oh, they're not disclosing it because

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of, you know, Trump world and his

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associates." Meanwhile, they controlled

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the Justice Department and the FBI for

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four years and didn't release any. Uh,

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so, you know, it it took a moment like

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this. And what's what's really

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interesting about it is this bill only

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compelled the disclosure this law that

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passed in Congress only compelled the

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disclosure of

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Justice Department originated files.

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Justice Department by extension FBI is

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the investigative arm of the Justice

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Department. It does not compel CIA

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originated files.

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And uh one of the coolest moments of

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transparency we had last year in 2025

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was when Tulsi Gabbard as the you know

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ODNI as the head of director of C of

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national intelligence in charge of the

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whole intelligence community spearheaded

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the uh JFK files release and we got

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basically fully unredacted

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documents. Now, I know there's contest

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over how complete they are, but the fact

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is is it was hundreds of thousands of

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files that had never been seen before or

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unredacted versions of documents that

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had been fully or partially redacted for

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decades. The only reason that we have

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JFK JFK files at all is because in 1992,

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Congress passed a bill to force the CIA

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to start turning over documents. The

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law, I believe, was called the JFK

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Records Collection Act.

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And it forced by law the uh the CIA to

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establish this independent

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presidential assassination review board

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that would review documents for

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declassification and compel uh you know

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on the basis of that independent body

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given all of the intelligence intrigue

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around Epstein and the fact that it is

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in my view physically impossible over

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Epstein's 40-year career career in

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intelligence adjacent work that there

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was that there's not Epstein files that

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are CIA originated and we actually

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you know I I saw this in the files that

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were just released Jeffrey Epstein

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himself twice foyed that's the Freedom

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of Information Act

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uh which which is a law that I think

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came around in 1966 which allows any US

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citizen and to ask any government agency

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for all public records that it has about

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anything. There are certain things that

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get blocked in that this is there were a

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lot of foyer fights about co uh you know

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Fouchy famously there's this exchange

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where um you know one of the folks in

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Fouchy world says that uh they learned

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cool tricks from the foyer lady about

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how to get around requests but the fact

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is you can foyer the CIA for records. uh

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because it that foyer forces the CIA to

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give you declassified

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or unclassified records and if it's

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classified it'll issue a glowar

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>> we cannot confirm or deny the you know

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and the existence or non-existence of

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you know classified information.

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>> Can we before we get any further the JFK

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stuff I never heard anything about it. I

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mean I know the files came out but there

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was no big revelations. There was no was

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was there anything that came out of that

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that was significant?

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>> I thought it was huge. I I learned a

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>> I guess people

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are looking at the JFK files. Most

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people are looking at it for clues as to

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who killed JFK. And I know that there

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are many researchers who specialize in

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the JFK assassination

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um that have sharpened their theories I

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suppose on the basis of it in a useful

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way for for whatever it's worth. Uh for

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me I

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you know was never expecting to see a

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CIA document saying uh you know I James

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Jesus Angleton authorized the

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assassination of of uh president of the

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United States. Uh but the fact is is

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what it revealed were all of these

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tangential and ancillary documents that

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showed the structure of intelligence

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work at a very fine and detailed level.

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The kind of revelations that really only

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come around once in a generation.

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There's a there's a video online by

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Michael Paranti who's a CIA

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whistleblower around the time of the

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Iran Contra hearings in the 1980s

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and he says pay attention to these

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hearings. This may be the last time for

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another 20, 30, 40 years that you ever

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get an inside look at the at the

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detailed

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minutia of a covert operation because

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all this was being blasted on a

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congressional jumbotron with hearings

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and formal congressional investigations

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and public testimony. And

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there's I sort of look at the JFK files

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released like that. We got a very

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detailed look at everything that was

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happening around effectively operation

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mongoose. Uh the because

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>> can you refresh my memory? What was

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mongoose again?

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>> Yeah. So, so we h so there was operation

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mongoose and operation condor which were

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which were related to the

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nominally what you'll read is that they

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were related to the attempts by the CIA

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to for Mongoose for example to uh

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destabilize the government of Cuba in

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order to induce a regime change but

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because those efforts proved

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unsuccessful they regionalized the

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conflict to uh do countercommunism work

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effectively

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uh throughout all of Latin America, the

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Caribbean, South America, and uh

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Operation Condor was effectively a kind

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of counter counterinsurgency strategy to

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stop the rise of left-wing Marxist

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groups who were trying to throw off the

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yoke of American imperialism, so to

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speak, as they put it. And so you had a

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a massive CIA operation to try to tilt

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the internal politics of

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basically every country south of the

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border. And we got incredibly just deta

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I'll give you an example of one

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declassified document that's really

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wild. Uh there there's one document that

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uh is a CIA file with instructions to uh

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delete all physical copies of the

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document at the end that describes how

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the agency had internally authorized an

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attempt to assassinate,

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you know, Castro by working through

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the Meer Lansky syndicate and hiring two

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hitmen

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uh that were in Miami and then had but

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had contacts with the Cuban exile

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community liaison within Cuba. And so

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this was a this was a formal agency file

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that described how a CIA case officer

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made contact with people from the mob

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organized crime uh with offers of pay

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payoffs with very detailed logistics.

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You can find this I did a whole video on

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it on my the like ex subscriber thing.

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I'll I'll you know uh put it on the top

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of my social media. But the but it also

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describes a really interesting

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Jeffrey Epstein like

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uh figure Robert Mayhew was a CIA asset.

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the J the JFK files.

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They describe how they got uh they

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sponsored a a movie

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to simulate I believe it was the

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president of Indonesia

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uh having an affair with a blonde woman.

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They filmed a

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basically like a porno that would uh and

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create and to create a tape. And they

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had very they describe how they set up

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the the room to make it look like it was

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I think in in the presidential palace or

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some hotel room that was would have been

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in in uh in that country in order to

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create what's effectively a sexual

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blackmail tape that could then be uh

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leaked to the press in order to

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discredit the president. And you know,

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you look at these in formal agency files

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and on the one hand you go, okay, that

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was the 1960s. That was the that was the

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early 1960s. That was before there was

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any oversight on the CIA at all. It

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wasn't until the Church Committee

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hearings in 1975, 1976 that we even had

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congressional oversight of the CIA.

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There was no Senate Intelligence

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Committee. There was no House

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Intelligence Committee at the time. And

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at that point, assassinations had not

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been outlawed. I mean, the CI was

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allowed to assassinate people. There

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there's since been a ban on that. So,

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you go, okay, that's 60 years ago. Uh,

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but the fact is they did it. The fact is

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is that is within the array of options

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that folks in covert operations saw as

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on the table.

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>> Working with the mob.

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>> Working with the mob. Now, but that goes

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back a long time. I I found it totally

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unsurprising. It's one of these things.

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It's just kind of the general theme.

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It's shocked but not surprised. You

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know, it's like, "Holy crap, they they

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put this in writing.

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What are we doing here, guys?"

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But you're like, "But I'm not surprised

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they did it because I know they were

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doing all these other things." The fact

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is is the CIA was working with the mob

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before there was a CIA.

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before it was done by the CIA, uh work

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with, for example, the the Italian mob

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was was done through the Department of

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War in the n really starting in the

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1930s

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and then especially in the 1940s because

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they were the central intelligence

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agency. Well, at the time it was the OSS

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in the 1940s, but it would become the

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CIA. the one of their main logistical

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points of contact and allies for the

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resistance against Mussolini in Italy.

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Mussolini was cracking down both on the

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Vatican church and on the Italian mafia.

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And so, uh, there were strange bed

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fellas. There's a great book on this by

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Paul Williams. I think it was published

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in 2017. It's called Operation Gladadio,

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the CIA, the Vatican, and the mob. And

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it's I I recommend this book to everyone

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because it's a really really detailed

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academic

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deep dive on this nexus between a

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religious institution, an intelligence

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agency,

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uh an illegal organized crime syndicate

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that does all manner of black ops. And

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it especially focuses on the funding

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relationship. In fact, this just came

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out and this sort of gets to the utility

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of these documents. There's an

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incredible

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document that just was released this

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week where Larry Summers, who was the

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head of the US Treasury, so not only was

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he the head of Harvard University and

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the and the head of the American money

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system, um,

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but he he says to he's trying to explain

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to Jeffrey Epstein kind of the the

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politics of what's happening in the

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Vatican. And what he says to him is that

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what's what's actually most important

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going on right now is what's happening

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with the Vatican bank, which is kind of

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the uh the deep politics of the Vatican.

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And you know, I saw this email and I

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just, you know, laughed and did a

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little, you know, twirly thing in my in

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my chair because it's it's totally

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unsurprising if you read, you know, that

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book Operation Gladadio that I that I

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mentioned,

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it it traces 80 years of this because

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the the Vatican Bank was the first

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offshore bank before offshore banking

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even existed.

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It was util there was an alliance with

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the Vatican bank during World War II

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itself with our department of war and

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with organized crime outfits at least

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according to the evidence that I find

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persuasive in this book and that uh

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appears to be validated by Italian court

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documents in the 1990s when all this was

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litigated. Incidentally that was when

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the mob was really prosecuted for the

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first time.

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But effectively what happened was is you

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had strange bedfellows. You had the

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United States who wanted to get rid of

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Mussolini. You had the Vatican who

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wanted to get rid of Mussolini. And you

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had organized crime who wanted to get

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rid of Mussolini. And because organized

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crime is very deep in the logistics and

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unions. They control the ports, they

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control the the streets, they control

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safe houses. Um, and if they have allies

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in a bank, they are able to launder

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money effectively in order to do black

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market, you know, type trade.

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And if you have for example the support

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of the US government to facilitate that

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that and there's protection offered to

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those organized crime groups what what

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you end up having having is effectively

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state sponsored a a state sponsored

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mafia with an untouchable bank. And at

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the time the vat because and Larry

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Summers explains this to to Jeffrey

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Epstein in very simple terms which is

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which is yeah here you go the most

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important change in the Vatican may not

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be Pope Benedict son retirement but

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change in leadership of the Institute

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for Works of Religion the bank the

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Vatican's bank because the Vatican's

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status as a sovereign country it's

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exempt from transparency rules of not

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only Italy but of the European Union.

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This status allows its elite clients to

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evade any scrutiny in their money

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transfers. Last May, Vatican Bank

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president was fired after Italian

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authorities opened an investigation into

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a far-flung bri bribery scheme. and he

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goes through this, but what's what's

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important here is the British when we

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think of offshore banking now, it's it's

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usually associated with

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>> Cayman Islands,

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>> Cayman Islands, you know, Jersey, man,

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uh, Panama, uh, you know, but well,

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Panama is sort of a different story, but

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it it's usually associated with these

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kind of small island countries that are

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formerly, you know, kind of their own

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territory, their own sort of sovereign

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territory. You also see this within the

19:22

United States in

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Indian Native American reservations with

19:27

these kind of autonomous zones that can

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be shielded from certain kinds of um you

19:32

know public disclosures that a typical

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finance institution

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>> that's going on with Native American

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banks.

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>> Well, yeah. This this was actually part

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of

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they have a lot of money from the

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>> Wow.

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>> Yeah. In fact, if you watch The Octopus

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Murders, which I think was HBO or

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Netflix or or one of those,

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>> it's great. I haven't seen it, but I

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It's awesome.

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>> It's fantastic. And you know, it it it

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goes through how this was used

21:25

effectively by the NSA during the

21:28

promise software scandal and the Iran

21:31

Contra scandal of the 1980s where you

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had basically the NSA and then the US

21:38

government uh running money laundering

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effectively through you know casinos on

21:44

uh on Native American sovereign

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territory. But the fact is is in the

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1940s, the Vatican Bank was really the

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only game in town. This traces back at

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the CIA level to a lawyer named Paul Hel

21:58

who was kind of the the architect of of

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money laundering for for the CIA. And it

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it didn't even start in well really

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started with the the attempt to try to

22:09

stop Mao in the 1930s and 1940s.

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Um there was there were the opium wars

22:17

in the 1830s where

22:20

effectively the British Empire

22:23

and you know the East India trading

22:25

company were making ungodly amounts of

22:30

money by selling opium to China. They

22:33

would grow the opium on the golden

22:35

crescent or India and then they would

22:38

sell it to China with a huge customer

22:41

base which would bring in huge amounts

22:42

of revenues to the British crown. Uh and

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then there were two opium wars that were

22:47

fought in the 1830s

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and 50s I believe around then or and the

22:53

opium wars were China's attempt to stop

22:58

the import of opium into China because

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it had a huge by that point uh opium

23:03

addiction problem. Opium dens in China

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were a massive issue within the country.

23:08

They tried to ban it and the British

23:10

crown pried open the narcotics market

23:14

through a military conquest of parts of

23:17

China. That's how Britain got control of

23:19

Hong Kong, which remains a major narco

23:22

narot trafficking site connected to

23:24

Jeffrey Epstein in very weird ways. I'll

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just sidebar that. Uh but Mao rose to

23:30

power to re you know uh in the name of

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his public campaign was about rejecting

23:34

the century of humiliation between the

23:36

1830s and the 1930s to support Shanghai

23:41

uh and the Quuoman Tang the Chinese

23:43

nationalists against the Chinese

23:44

communists. The war department couldn't

23:47

get enough congressional allocations

23:49

taxpayer money to support that. So they

23:51

had to find some way to finance the

23:54

forces that are now effectively Taiwan

23:57

because when they ultimately lost they

23:59

fled to the island of Formosa which is

24:01

now Taiwan. But they they financed that

24:04

initially, the war department, the the

24:06

Chinese nationalists through the

24:07

narcotics trade through the basically

24:10

the narcotics cultivated in the Golden

24:13

Triangle. And these operations continued

24:16

in Cambodia and Laos and were a big part

24:19

of the JFK

24:21

expansion of of covert operations to

24:24

this day in Fort Bragg. The you know the

24:27

special operations training center is

24:29

called the JFK.

24:31

This was a massive expansion of small

24:33

wars, covert action instead of big

24:36

military action. So it was mostly

24:37

spearheaded by CIA rather than DoD or

24:40

Department of War. But what happened was

24:42

is Paul Hawwell in in order to

24:46

be able to traffic illegal narcotics

24:49

created a bunch of these CIA banking

24:51

structures. One's called Castle Bank and

24:54

Trust uh in the Cayman Islands. Another

24:56

one hand in Australia. Uh and when you

25:01

have that, you know, friendly bank

25:03

that's protected, then you can move

25:07

drugs. This is this overworld underworld

25:10

alliance between intelligence and

25:12

organized crime because basically every

25:15

intelligence operation

25:18

is is a I don't want to say every, but

25:21

at the operational level, it's a crime.

25:23

It's an act of uh sabotage. It's an act

25:27

of subversion. It's an act of

25:30

obstruction. It's an act of illegal

25:32

surveillance. So, uh, in order to do a

25:37

illegal crime,

25:39

uh, you don't want to do it yourself

25:41

because then your fingerprints are on

25:43

the gun. But if you know people who do

25:47

illegal crimes for a living in an

25:49

organized way and have experience in

25:52

doing it, that allows you to be a very

25:54

useful extension and it gets justified

25:57

in the name of national security. The

25:59

illegal narcotics trade set up by Paul

26:01

Hawwell, who would go on to be the main

26:04

lawyer for Disney and set up Disney

26:06

World in Orlando. You can look all this

26:07

up. You can pull up Paul Hawwell's

26:09

Wikipedia or you can look at the history

26:12

of Disney or you can pull up Castle Bank

26:13

and Trust. You can put any one of these

26:15

up on screen. This is all fully

26:16

declassified. Uh and so they then took

26:21

that model to South South America and

26:24

Latin America and the Caribbean during

26:28

Operation Condor, Operation Mongoose.

26:30

And this is part of what gave r gave

26:32

rise to the Iran Contra that spawned

26:35

Jeffrey Epstein, which was the CIA got

26:38

busted running a the same thing it did

26:41

in in 1940s China, which was a drugs for

26:47

cash for guns operation. You cultivate,

26:50

you can't get enough money in USAD. You

26:52

know, in the 1940s, USAD didn't even

26:54

exist.

26:57

You You can't get enough money from US

26:58

taxpayer dollars. You can't get enough

27:00

money from private donors who will draft

27:02

off of the regime change for their own

27:04

profit. So, how do you get how do you

27:07

get your resistance rebels enough money?

27:11

It's that usually comes down to black

27:13

market trade, whether that's diamonds in

27:16

Africa, whether that's illegal mining

27:19

activities in South America, or whether

27:21

that's narcotics. And it's the the best

27:24

things to use for this kind of covert

27:26

financing are small fungeable physical

27:32

materials that can be converted into

27:33

large sums of cash. Uh you know, for

27:36

example, like a truck full of cocaine

27:38

can fund an army. Uh you know, a truck

27:41

full of copper can't. And so you had

27:45

this state sanctioned drug trade, this

27:48

state sanctioned illegal weapons

27:51

logistics apparatus, and the state

27:53

sanctioned money laundering apparatus

27:56

that started in the 1940s

28:00

and was utilized throughout the entirety

28:02

of of the cold war. the on on the mafia

28:06

side in the night

28:09

operation gladadio was this stay behind

28:12

network is what they what they said

28:13

basically these were um right-wing

28:16

groups many or some of which uh were

28:20

kind of Nazi adjacent who hated

28:24

communism and so even though we fought

28:26

against the Nazis in Mussolini and

28:29

Hitler in World War II there was a

28:32

utility to

28:35

preserving a certain homegrown domestic

28:39

network that really hated communism to

28:42

assist us on the ground in the war

28:44

against communism. And what you saw was

28:47

in Operation Gladadio, this was a

28:49

NATOwide

28:51

covert

28:53

network uh alliance of networks, a

28:56

network of networks that in basically

28:59

every one of the NATO countries there

29:00

was a cell or a number of cluster cells

29:04

that were set up in order to covertly

29:07

influence the domestic politics of the

29:09

country. And if you look at the members

29:11

of these cluster cells, there's some of

29:12

the,

29:14

you know, like Sylvio Berlescone was a

29:16

part of the the so-called P2 lounge uh

29:19

that was that came up in the operation

29:21

gladiopiles when the Italian government

29:24

uh basically put put all this on trial

29:26

in the 1990s. And that structure is

29:28

still used by intelligence today. If if

29:31

you go to my X feed and you look up uh

29:33

for example

29:35

Annapplebomb and the thread that I did

29:37

on the integrity initiative, if you just

29:40

put integrity initiative and I can I can

29:42

show you what these cluster cells look

29:43

like. Uh and it's it's a it's

29:47

fascinating to look at the

29:48

organizational structure of it. But I

29:50

guess what I'm what I'm getting to here

29:52

is with

29:54

with the mob and the Vatican at the at

29:57

that time that was the only game in town

30:00

for offshore banking if you wanted to

30:02

have a bank that had no oversight

30:03

whatsoever. When the British lost the

30:06

Suez Canal in 1957

30:09

and basically had to give up their

30:11

empire, this is during

30:12

decolonialization.

30:14

the the British Empire transitioned from

30:16

a physical empire to a financial empire

30:19

and moved heavily into offshore banking.

30:21

That's how you got these kind of you

30:23

know BVI British Virgin Islands Cayman

30:27

Islands you know Jersey man all these

30:31

kind of British offshore banking hubs

30:33

and with London as the capital of

30:36

international finance you you the

30:39

British Empire was was effectively able

30:41

to maintain a comparable level of

30:45

imperial vassal state control without

30:46

having physical troops or or physical

30:49

territorial control. And so the Vatican

30:52

Bank has lost a lot of its um rank, I

30:56

would say, in the international finance

30:59

system since the 1940s because the

31:01

market's so saturated now with offshore

31:03

banking hubs. But that explains what's

31:05

happening in this Larry Summers Jeffrey

31:07

Epstein exchange.

31:12

One of the weirder things about these

31:14

files is there's some stuff in there

31:17

that you go, okay, one thing that we

31:20

know happens is when something is true,

31:22

a bunch of stuff gets attached to it

31:25

that's both not true and also

31:27

preposterous that allows you to sort of

31:30

dismiss all of it together. There's a

31:32

lot of people thought about that with

31:33

Pizzagate and there's some stuff that I

31:36

saw online that was like George W. Bush

31:39

was like involved in ritual sacrifice or

31:43

you know things things along those lines

31:45

like killing babies and eating people

31:48

and wild [ __ ]

31:50

>> Yeah.

31:51

>> What do you think that stuff is?

31:53

>> I don't know. I I don't

31:54

>> Do you think it really occurs?

31:57

>> What I'll say is

32:00

this is a bad week to be a total

32:06

pizzagate deniialist. you had you you

32:08

would feel a lot more comfortable about

32:10

it a week ago than you would this week.

32:12

I don't particularly

32:15

focus or I don't want to say care. I

32:17

don't I don't my knowledge set on it is

32:23

a lot more limited on it because I don't

32:26

think it's a central crux of um

32:30

political influence. Uh, I don't know if

32:33

it's kind of almost a inside joke in a

32:37

certain way. Jeffrey Epstein himself in

32:39

these emails is unbelievably trolly. You

32:42

know, he'll he'll say things that are

32:44

the kind of, you know, [ __ ] posts you,

32:48

you say to a buddy or your, you know,

32:50

your brother or something that uh, you

32:53

don't mean, you know, it's tongue cheek.

32:58

But you if if you were a cynical out to

33:03

get you person who somehow obtained that

33:06

text message, you'd say, "Oh, look, he

33:09

said it." And so, so there's a lot of

33:12

that going on. But the fact is is I have

33:14

seen some I've seen a lot of images

33:17

shared uh around the time period of when

33:20

Pizzagate was popping off in 2016 that

33:24

all I'll say is it doesn't it doesn't

33:27

look good or easily explainable. At the

33:30

same time, a lot of those screenshots I

33:32

have not, you know, for for most of

33:35

these for the things I've posted about

33:36

or that I'm talking about here, I've

33:38

gone to the Justice Department file.

33:39

I've looked up the file number.

33:41

confirmed whether or not the screenshot

33:43

is actually what it is. For those I have

33:45

not yet. Uh but I I would not

33:52

I wouldn't feel totally confident saying

33:55

there's no there there. But that's

33:57

that's about as far as as I can go on

33:59

that.

33:59

>> When you say images, what are you

34:00

talking about?

34:01

>> Well, there's a lot of you know, if you

34:02

look up pizza, for example, it's just as

34:04

a keyword search, you'll see or cheese

34:07

or something. Um,

34:09

it looks like, you know, in the in the

34:11

DOJ

34:13

database for these new files, uh, you'll

34:17

see a lot of things of people talking

34:20

about pizza in a way that

34:22

>> it seems like a code.

34:24

>> It's kind of impossible to

34:26

>> to imagine

34:27

>> to do to a pizza. That's about Okay.

34:30

>> You know what I mean? Uh but I don't to

34:34

me there's so much real world provable

34:37

things in there and also so many kind of

34:40

more real world implications

34:42

of allegations that are made in the

34:46

files that kind of

34:51

uh you know should be explained. Uh,

34:55

like a common mistake that I see going

34:57

around on social media this week is

35:00

people, it kind of gets the reason that

35:02

the FBI

35:04

and the president was arguing that these

35:07

files shouldn't be released in the first

35:08

place, which is that people would take

35:09

things out of context and wildly uh, you

35:12

know, and think things are true that are

35:13

not because they're baseless allegations

35:15

made by, you know, some anonymous

35:17

tipster and but because it's in an FBI

35:19

file, people will think it's true. Now,

35:22

I don't think that's a reason not to

35:23

release these. I'm extremely glad these

35:24

were released.

35:27

What I'm saying is is I've seen that

35:29

phenomenon, you know, run away and and

35:33

some of this I know is

35:37

kind of uh baseless in terms of the

35:39

factual evidence because some of the

35:41

people

35:43

one of the confidential human sources

35:45

for example that is cited you know the

35:48

first day of the drop there was this

35:49

kind of bombshell claim uh in the I

35:53

think this is probably the most viral

35:54

post the first day of the DOJ release

35:57

which was a confidential human source.

36:00

CHS means of FBI informant

36:04

uh who the FBI internal memo describes

36:08

how this confidential human source

36:11

reported that Alan Dersitz was a MSAD

36:15

agent and after every meeting he goes

36:18

back and tells his FB his MSAD handlers

36:21

you know what what they talked about and

36:23

you go oh my god it's an FBI

36:26

confidential human source the FBI

36:29

wouldn't you know pay an informant

36:31

unless they found them credible for this

36:32

sort of thing. On the very next page of

36:34

the files, it says President Trump, I'm

36:37

paraphrasing, you can pull this up if

36:39

you if you want. Um, you know, President

36:42

Trump is controlled by the government of

36:44

Israel and they have I forget if he says

36:46

they have blackmail or something to this

36:48

effect. Now, I don't know whether either

36:50

of those things are true or not. I don't

36:53

know what you know any more than anybody

36:55

else who's done research on this.

36:56

Certainly there's a lot of overlap

36:58

between Duritz and the Israeli

37:00

government and high level Israeli

37:02

officials. So in that sense if that were

37:05

to be reported I don't know that it

37:07

would be the

37:09

who knows about whether that's true or

37:11

not. It's but it plays into a kind of

37:13

confirmation bias that a lot of people

37:15

have. And so when you see that in an FBI

37:17

file the first thing your instinct is if

37:19

you're you know if that's your

37:21

journalism beat is to is to write all

37:23

about it and get millions of views. And

37:26

same thing, there's a MAGA civil war

37:27

right now that's happening over issues

37:29

around Israel. It's, you know, you say,

37:33

"Oh my god, it's been proven. The FBI

37:35

knows that." Well, uh, Ken Silva, who's

37:40

a journalist, shortly after that

37:42

published, uh, a tweet containing a file

37:47

that had much less engagement where he

37:50

said, "Actually, I I actually have a

37:52

copy of this document." Again, I'm

37:54

paraphrasing here. Uh where it matches

37:57

that document file number. It's got the

37:59

same text and it looks like the that

38:02

confidential human source is Chuck

38:04

Johnson. Now, I saw that and I went, "Oh

38:08

my god." Because one morning I woke up

38:12

to a text from that very person saying,

38:16

"This is about 2 years ago. I'd never

38:19

met him, never talked to him, don't have

38:22

his number. Somehow he got mine and

38:25

messaged me on Signal to turn myself in

38:28

because I'm going to prison. He then

38:30

proceeded to look up um my exwife and

38:36

make allegations that I was a MSAD agent

38:38

because she was a uh she was a a

38:42

prostitute from a from a foreign country

38:45

and involved in all these, you know,

38:48

MSAD black ops type things. Now, he

38:50

didn't get the name right. He found a a

38:52

different person with a similar spelling

38:57

that uh you know was I guess busted for

39:00

prostitution or something and then makes

39:03

these giant claims on social media that

39:07

uh you know I had been like married to a

39:10

foreign spy prostitute or something.

39:12

Then he goes on to message someone he

39:15

thinks is my donor and threaten them to

39:19

cut off funds because if he doesn't then

39:23

I've made the intelligence community

39:26

very angry and they have deputized him

39:30

to tell the person he thought was my

39:31

donor that the intelligence services of

39:34

the United States of America will crush

39:36

the businesses of someone he thought was

39:38

my donor if he doesn't cut off the funs

39:42

he thought that person was giving to me.

39:44

Okay, this is that confidential human

39:47

source or at least according to the

39:49

reporting of of Ken Silva. uh

39:53

that the level of things that are untrue

39:57

about that uh

40:00

combined with the fact that this very

40:02

person is going around

40:05

uh saying that not he's not just an FBI

40:08

informant but that he actually can

40:11

direct the intelligence agencies of the

40:13

United States to crush someone's private

40:16

practice if they don't change the you

40:19

know

40:21

discretionary

40:23

donations

40:24

to someone like that's the person you're

40:29

saying

40:30

that person's

40:33

uh you know comments to a FBI

40:37

officer or you know uh task force prove

40:42

these claims about Duritz and Trump.

40:46

I mean that's that's ridiculous. I I

40:48

know firsthand that there's zero

40:50

credibility to those claims. Now, they

40:52

may be true or not, but the fact is is,

40:56

you know, there's there's a lot of

40:58

context to to all of these.

41:01

What is just because it's said in an FBI

41:04

file does not make it true. We learned

41:05

that lesson in Russia gate. We learned

41:07

that lesson with the steel dossier. Uh

41:10

but you know that I think that same sort

41:12

of caution and prudence should be

41:16

applied with these uh and I think

41:19

ultimately the truth wins out on these

41:20

things. It just you know takes longer

41:22

than you might want to.

41:26

It's so

41:28

tangled. You know, the whole thing is

41:30

just I think everybody who looks at it

41:34

realizes this is a rabbit hole that just

41:36

goes to the center of the earth and

41:38

there's so many people involved in that.

41:40

What do you Here's here's the big

41:43

question that people ask. If there was a

41:45

Jeffrey Epstein and it seems like all

41:47

these things he was involved in, is

41:49

there a Jeffrey Epstein right now that

41:51

we don't know about?

41:52

>> There's a million of them.

41:53

>> A million of I mean this is why this is

41:55

why I I find the con this you know this

41:59

is not the core of what I focus on. Um

42:03

but I find it re a really interesting

42:06

field of study because it helps

42:07

understand so many other US government

42:10

institutions and the relationship

42:12

between government and private business.

42:15

Jeffrey Epstein is

42:19

part of a class of what are effectively

42:22

professional fixers.

42:24

And this is this is a a kind of class of

42:28

professional who sits

42:32

not really within a particular

42:35

government or private sector institution

42:38

but in the kind of sticky layer between

42:40

them that connects them all. And

42:44

I would say that for example people like

42:46

Mark Rich, Bruce Rapaort, uh and I can

42:48

go through all these figures and who

42:49

they are. Robert Mayhew and these types

42:52

um are just good case studies in how the

42:56

intelligence world the business

42:58

community uh you know uses like let's

43:02

take an example of Bruce Rapaort and and

43:04

this is a you can pull up on screen if

43:09

uh if you want there's a great article I

43:12

think it's called uh I think it's from

43:15

1988 or 1991 it's called uh intrigue in

43:20

high places, oil pipeline, Iraq,

43:25

uh, and then just Bruce Rapaort, it's RA

43:28

P. Yeah, here you go. Uh, pipeline deal

43:30

intrigue in high places. And I I'll

43:33

describe what what happens here in a

43:34

second. In fact, there's a great YouTube

43:36

video on this as well. Uh if you look up

43:38

uh Bruce just on on YouTube uh Bruce

43:42

Rapaort 1988 there's a great kind of

43:45

couple minute summary of all this but

43:48

effectively what happened was

43:51

and let me start this by just Jeffrey

43:54

Epstein got to Bear Sterns in 1966

44:00

I'm sorry 1976

44:02

and then worked there until 1980.

44:06

Sorry, just because you have on screen

44:07

maybe

44:08

>> may maybe maybe I'll go through this

44:09

first and then I'll do the Jeff because

44:10

the Jeffrey Epstein connections. So what

44:12

happened here was you had the Iran Iraq

44:15

war from 1980 to 1988

44:18

and Henry Kissinger had a really great

44:20

quote about this because he asked what

44:22

is the US government strategy on this

44:24

because it's very convoluted

44:26

and you know why are we why are we

44:28

giving

44:30

weapons to Iran when the Iranian

44:33

revolution just happened in 1979

44:36

that

44:38

you know overthrew what was a US

44:41

governmentfriendly

44:42

government that was partially installed

44:44

by the CIA in 1953.

44:48

We're we've now declared an

44:49

international arms embargo on them. You

44:51

know, we're we're basically at war with

44:53

the Ayatollah. Why are we why are we

44:54

giving them weapons and helping them uh

44:57

you know, defeat Iraq? And you know, the

45:00

issue was is we were also in a kind of

45:03

uh

45:06

war over regional hedgeimonyy and oil

45:10

with with Iraq.

45:12

And so Henry Kissinger's quote was, "I

45:13

my only wish is that both sides would

45:15

lose, could lose." And so what happened

45:19

was is because we didn't want Iraq to

45:21

take over Iran and become effectively

45:24

bigger than Saudi Arabia in the region,

45:27

we were we were funding the and and

45:31

giving weapons to Iran to try to fend

45:33

off the much bigger Iraqi army. And then

45:38

at at a certain point in this uh we we

45:41

began to back Iraq. We went back and

45:43

forth supporting Iran Iraq. And so the

45:46

this Iraq because of the embargos on it

45:51

wanted to build a pipeline to get its

45:54

oil out and it was going to pass through

45:56

Jordan and it was going to abut against

45:58

the border of Israel. and a major

46:05

CIA contractor and CIA connected private

46:08

business called Becttel. Highly highly

46:10

influential

46:12

company. Uh there's been many many many

46:15

books written on Becttel. Some of uh and

46:18

Becttel is alive and well today. If

46:20

there was a saga for example around the

46:22

Stanford internet observatory if around

46:25

the censorship industrial complex when I

46:27

when I visited the Stanford internet

46:28

observatory and I went to the courtyard

46:31

courtyard is sponsored by Becttel. It's

46:33

I think it's called the Becttel

46:34

courtyard. Uh and but but what happened

46:37

was is

46:39

the

46:40

Becktel was promised by Iraq a billion

46:44

dollar contract in in 198 you know 80s

46:48

money for constructing this pipeline

46:51

and the Central Intelligence Agency and

46:54

the White House National Security

46:55

Council both for geostrategic reasons

46:58

wanted this pipeline built. The problem

47:00

was is they were afraid the Israeli

47:02

government was going to sabotage the

47:04

pipeline because Iraq was

47:08

very hostile to Israel and there was a

47:12

lot of tension between the Iraqi

47:14

government and the Israeli government

47:15

and they were afraid that if Becttel got

47:18

this contract and built this pipeline

47:20

that Israel would some s you know these

47:23

pipelines are very fragile and all it

47:25

because it passes close to it it's very

47:28

possible that that would that would

47:30

happen. It would destroy both the CIA's

47:32

goal and the private profiteer Becktel's

47:34

goal.

47:36

So, how do you solve that problem? Well,

47:39

what what the CIA did is

47:43

what the what the National Security

47:45

Council, which is the inter agency that

47:46

the CIA reports to, did is they engaged

47:50

a private fixer named Bruce Rapaort, who

47:53

was a Swiss billionaire with close ties

47:56

to the Israeli government to back

47:59

channel with the Israeli government,

48:01

some sort of secret agreement that would

48:05

guarantee

48:07

that they would not sabotage the

48:09

pipeline and because the attorney

48:12

general of the United States now again

48:14

think about this as well as I'm saying

48:17

this think about Jeffrey Epstein and

48:19

think about the character of Bill Barr

48:20

for example who started his career for

48:23

seven years at the CIA was highly

48:25

involved in the CI's Iran Contra and

48:27

then was attorney general

48:29

both in the 1990s during the Epstein

48:33

connected BCCI scandal and the you know

48:36

when Jeffrey Epstein killed himself or

48:38

or whatever happened to him. What so

48:41

what what happens is is is

48:45

Bruce Rapaort does indeed use his

48:48

contacts with the Israeli government to

48:50

uh strike an agreement that then allows

48:54

uh the pro would allow the project to be

48:56

green lit. But it triggers a special

48:58

prosecutor's investigation of the

49:00

attorney general himself, Ed Me, because

49:04

he one of his friends

49:07

was alleged to be in on the deal. So

49:10

they they argued that effectively there

49:13

were that they that through Bruce

49:15

Rapaort, the attorney general, was

49:18

striking a secret agreement with Israel

49:20

to profit himself

49:22

uh a massive conflict of interest.

49:26

And what what ended up happening is

49:28

Bruce Rapaort Rapaort stepped forward

49:30

and said, "No, no, no. It wasn't to

49:32

profit the the terms weren't to profit

49:35

the friend. It was the the terms we

49:38

secretly reached with Israel is that

49:39

they were going to get like a 30% cut on

49:41

the revenue of the pipeline and that's

49:43

what secured the buyin." But the fact is

49:45

is Bruce Rapaort was not

49:50

uh

49:51

this. Now the other part of this is that

49:54

the National Security Council told the

49:57

basically the overseas development arm

49:59

of of the US government, former US

50:01

government agency

50:04

to uh to put American taxpayer funds to

50:07

help subsidize the pipeline that the

50:12

Becttel pipeline

50:14

and that government agency did not want

50:17

to put up something like $400 million of

50:20

taxpayer funds on it because they

50:22

thought Bruce Rapaort was a very shady

50:25

Epstein-like figure who had all sorts of

50:28

sorted, you know, details about his own

50:30

past.

50:31

So that government agency queried the

50:33

CIA for all records about Bruce Rapaort

50:36

and the CIA gave them a limited hangout.

50:40

They said, "Oh, you know, we only have a

50:41

few documents that are responsive to it

50:43

and no red flags." As it turned out,

50:46

what the special prosecutor compelled

50:48

from the CIA is that they they had a

50:50

whole dirty dossier on Bruce Rapaort.

50:54

And if they had given that to to the US

50:56

government agency, there wouldn't there

50:58

couldn't have been support for the

51:00

pipeline. Now, after all this scandal,

51:02

the pipeline ended up not being built.

51:03

But the the point is is here you have a

51:06

the same type of person as Jeffrey

51:09

Epstein, the same regions and countries

51:14

that are, you know, involved in a

51:16

significant part of the Epstein saga.

51:18

You have the same structure of the

51:21

intelligence community, private

51:22

businesses and, you know, back channel

51:25

deals with government officials. But

51:27

because uh

51:30

there was no 2011 file on Bruce Rapaort,

51:33

he was not formerly a CIA asset. He was

51:37

he was what you know what's called a a

51:39

liaison, a a contact, a facilitator, a

51:42

friend of the station. Doesn't work for

51:45

the CI. He's got his own hedge fund.

51:47

He's got his own, you know, basically

51:49

finance. You know, he'll invest in

51:52

commodities or foreign exchange or

51:55

private portfolio companies.

51:57

But sometimes he'll work with the CIA,

52:00

sometimes he won't. Depends on whether

52:02

it's good for him.

52:04

And in this case, he thought it was good

52:06

for him to to take this. Who knows what

52:09

cut he himself got on it. But the fact

52:12

is is

52:14

here here you have the same type of oper

52:17

you have every layer of this from the

52:19

justice department to the CIA to the

52:21

private financeers to the to the private

52:24

companies to real world geopolitical

52:26

action and this appears in in my view of

52:31

it to be exactly the model that Jeffrey

52:34

Epstein uh himself replicated and and

52:38

was on parallel track with for his whole

52:41

career. career, you know, he's and and I

52:43

can I can get into that, but but does

52:45

that make sense in terms of like the

52:47

this type of figure exists in basically

52:50

in every country, in every industry? Uh,

52:54

and you know, they're not all as

52:57

prominent as Epstein, but I would argue

52:59

people like Mark Rich and at the time

53:00

Bruce Rapaort kind of were. They don't

53:04

all have, you know, these child sex

53:07

trafficking type things. This is the

53:09

thing is like what he was connected

53:11

with. It makes me wonder like if he

53:14

didn't have that sick thing where he

53:18

liked underage girls like if he'd never

53:20

gotten arrested which was what 2008 or

53:23

something. What when did he initially

53:25

get arrested?

53:26

>> Uh 2006 but but he he was the plea deal

53:30

was 2008. Yeah. So, if that hadn't

53:32

happened, like if you just got a guy

53:34

who's getting of age prostitutes,

53:38

we probably never hear about this.

53:41

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54:25

why because Epstein was involved in

54:28

fraudulent financial activities his

54:30

entire career. Uh he was under SEC

54:33

investigation

54:35

at Bayer Sterns in 1980 when he was uh

54:40

involved in a deal I think it was St.

54:41

Joe's Mineral Company which is um owned

54:44

by serums which is you know owned by the

54:47

the Bronin family.

54:50

uh he he got in trouble with the SEC at

54:53

that time. He then as soon as he got in

54:54

trouble, he left Beer Sterns and went

54:56

out on his own, but then worked

54:58

effectively at Beer Sterns off the book

55:01

for the next decade according to his own

55:04

testimony. He had a continuous

55:06

relationship with Beer Sterns for, you

55:08

know, I think he said 31 years. It was

55:10

basically from the moment, you know,

55:12

from from the 1970s,

55:14

1976 until 2007208 when Beer Sterns

55:18

collapsed while Jeffrey Epste was in

55:20

jail.

55:22

Um, but then Jeffrey Epstein in it

55:27

appears to me almost impossible that

55:30

Jeffrey Epste was not working on BCCI

55:33

pipeline deals while he was at Beer

55:35

Sterns. BC Bear Sterns was one of the

55:38

was one of the three biggest

55:41

uh clearing houses for for BCCI

55:44

transactions. BCCI is the Bank of Credit

55:46

and Commerce International. Sometimes

55:49

people call it the Bank of Crooks and

55:50

Criminals International. Uh it's it's

55:52

it's a incredible saga of CIA banking

55:57

gone wrong. It's it's a bank that was

55:59

started in Pakistan in 1972

56:03

and then grew to be the CIA's main way

56:07

to covertly back the mujaheden against

56:13

the the Russians during the cold war.

56:15

So, we backed Osama bin Laden, the CIA.

56:18

We backed the uh you know Islamic

56:21

mujaheden, the the radicals who became

56:24

al-Qaeda and ISIS

56:27

uh with billions of dollars of CIA and

56:31

MI6 and Israeli and Saudi facilitated

56:36

um you know co-support and financial uh

56:40

funds uh in order to do a cold war

56:43

operation just like we talked about with

56:47

Strange Bed Fellows. uh you know get uh

56:49

backing right-wing organized crime to

56:54

stop left-wing communism. We did the

56:56

same thing in Afghanistan

56:59

uh through you know these the Pakistan

57:01

Afghanistan border to run covertly run

57:05

guns to the mujaheden. In fact you can

57:08

there's a great YouTube video that I

57:10

always like to play so that you can see

57:12

it for yourself. Uh it's it's really

57:14

short. You can look up 1979 Zabnu

57:17

Brazinski dropping out of a helicopter

57:20

to tell the mujahedin that uh both God

57:25

and the United States government is on

57:27

their side. And the reason this clip I I

57:30

always think is so fun to play is

57:32

because this was the very moment in 1979

57:35

that Jeffrey Epstein appears to have

57:37

been uh involved in the BCCI financing

57:40

of this very operation. So if you if you

57:41

turn the volume up and you start at the

57:43

beginning

57:43

>> America's road

57:47

US national security adviser Bjinski

57:50

flew to Pakistan to set about rallying

57:52

resistance. He wanted to arm the

57:55

mujahedin without revealing America's

57:57

role

57:59

on the Afghan border near the Kaiba

58:01

pass. He urged the soldiers of God to

58:03

redouble their efforts.

58:06

>> We know of their deep belief in God and

58:10

we are confident that their struggle

58:12

will succeed.

58:17

You know, that land over there is yours.

58:21

You'll go back to it one day because

58:23

your fight will prevail and you'll have

58:26

your homes and your mosques back again

58:29

because your cause is right and God is

58:31

on your side.

58:34

>> Now, that is

58:36

that is the National Security Adviser of

58:39

the United States of America. The

58:40

national security adviser is the highest

58:42

post in the cabinet. It is the person

58:44

the president talks to every day. All

58:48

intelligence,

58:49

war, military and statecraftraft goes

58:52

through the national security adviser

58:53

that is the numero uno.

58:56

And he personally in 1979, you know,

58:59

this didn't come out until years later,

59:01

but we were covertly doing this. So to

59:04

do a covert operation, and this is why I

59:06

focus on the money side of Epstein from

59:09

the 1970s to present because

59:12

the money in any covert operation is the

59:15

most essential part. It's the only thing

59:18

that is irreplaceable and that if you

59:20

don't have it, everything goes away. You

59:22

lose one person, find another one. Uh

59:26

you uh you know, you lose one

59:29

uh you know, logistics hub can create

59:31

another one with money. You lose money,

59:33

you lose everything. You lose your

59:35

ability to pay your informants. You lose

59:37

your ability to bribe government

59:38

officials. You lose your ability to uh

59:42

you know win the support of local

59:43

institutions. You we lost Vietnam

59:48

not really so much because we lost you

59:51

know to at the the kinetic war level but

59:54

because we lost the ability to fund it

59:56

because it got defunded. So we we

59:58

literally couldn't do it anymore.

60:00

And the there's another great clip just

60:03

to show how sophisticated CI

60:04

moneyaundering was even by the 1960s.

60:07

Sorry, I'll I'll stop doing this after,

60:10

you know, running around clip to clip

60:11

after this or I'll I'll chill on it. But

60:13

if you if you go to my exount, you can

60:16

also find this on YouTube. Um there's a

60:18

great I believe it was CBS uh in in the

60:22

1960s. It's called in the pay uh I think

60:25

it's called in the pay of the CIA or in

60:27

the uh it's but if you type in CI

60:28

moneyaundering you'll see this this

60:30

great clip about how sophisticated CI

60:33

moneyaundering was already by the 1950s

60:35

and60s

60:37

and the

60:40

that because everything the CIA does has

60:43

to be laundered. It's a spy agency. If

60:47

it writes a check,

60:49

if it doesn't conceal

60:51

the origins of the money, gigs up. So

60:56

everything that is CIA has to move

60:59

through some sort of moneyaundering

61:02

mechanism.

61:04

Well, you know, to to kind of I guess

61:10

uh borrow a phrase from from the

61:12

president, somebody's doing the

61:14

moneyaundering.

61:16

You need a you need outside contacts who

61:19

do not work at the agency or necessarily

61:22

for the agency to facilitate that

61:24

moneyaundering

61:26

and that was done through for example

61:28

the Pakistanis with the BCCI as well as

61:30

contacts in in London. That is what I

61:34

believe Jeffrey Epstein was doing his

61:36

entire career after that. From Towers

61:38

Financial to his tenure with Lesie

61:40

Wexner uh to kind of the way I think

61:43

that he helped model the Clinton

61:44

Foundation itself with the Clintons in

61:46

the early 2000s uh and his expertise in

61:51

that I think is is what made him useful.

61:56

really not. Well, it's more the the

61:58

connections of I guess uh you know

62:01

donors and billionaires around him that

62:02

made him the most useful. But the fact

62:04

is is he specialized when he went out on

62:07

his own formally. He leaves Bear Sterns

62:09

in 1981 and starts a one-man group

62:12

called Intercontinental Assets Group out

62:14

of his New York City apartment. He's not

62:16

even 30 years old. right away he gets

62:19

big level clients like Adnan Kosigible

62:22

who is the uh at the time was alleged to

62:24

be the world's richest man. He was the

62:28

Saudi arms dealer and to give an

62:30

impression of how significant this

62:32

figure was in the uh weapons trade. He

62:37

was he he earned more in commissions

62:42

from Loheed Martin uh Boeing and I think

62:47

one of the other big military

62:48

contractors than every other commissions

62:51

agent in the entire world combined.

62:54

That's why you know there were rumors

62:56

that he was the world's richest man. He

62:58

in fact we actually had legislation

62:59

passed because of how influential he

63:01

was. He was the one who in 1983

63:05

uh flew to the National Security Council

63:07

to the White House um to

63:11

orchestrate the Iran Contra affair. He

63:13

was the Saudi middleman

63:16

uh that

63:18

was part of this operation where the

63:19

United States uh used the Saudi

63:23

middleman Adnan Kosigible to uh run guns

63:28

to Israeli contacts to smuggle into Iran

63:33

to fight off the Iraqis. I know it's a

63:36

bit of a long sequence, but effectively

63:37

you can think of it as United States and

63:38

Israel with Saudi Arabia in the middle.

63:42

Now, Adnan Kosigible was one of the

63:46

major clients of the CIA's BCCI Bank,

63:50

and he was the host of the CIA's

63:55

offshore operation that was created in

63:57

1976 called the Safari Club. Uh, in in

64:02

1975, 1976 when the CIA started getting

64:05

handcuffs put on it with the Church

64:06

Committee hearings.

64:09

Jeffrey Epstein starts his career at

64:10

Beer Sterns in 1976, the very moment of

64:14

the biggest shakeup of the CIA in CIA

64:17

history. At at that moment, the Church

64:20

Committee hearings were ongoing and the

64:22

public was seeing,

64:25

you know, uh, Colby and Angleton holding

64:28

up a heart attack gun. Uh, you know, how

64:31

the CIA can kill someone and make it

64:33

look like they died organically of a

64:34

heart attack. Operation Chaos had just

64:37

broke about the CIA funding student

64:39

groups on American college campuses.

64:41

COINTEL broke. Uh MK Ultra broke. It was

64:45

one House of Horrors after another on

64:48

everybody's TV that only had three news

64:50

stations.

64:52

And so Democrats were completely fired

64:55

up about getting rid of the CIA or

64:58

putting massive handcuffs on it, which

64:59

is which is what they did. They created

65:02

effectively what's now the Senate and

65:04

House Intelligence Committee. So there's

65:06

oversight of the CIA by the the People's

65:09

Representatives. The um the first year

65:13

Carter was in office in 1977 went

65:15

through the what was called the

65:16

Halloween massacre, fired 30% of all CIA

65:19

operations

65:21

uh personnel. They massively cut

65:24

funding.

65:26

And so in response to this, you had a

65:30

set of stakeholders who wanted that CIA

65:33

dirty work to still be doable, but they

65:35

didn't have the legal authorization to

65:36

run it out of the CIA. So what they did

65:38

is they took the same group of

65:40

international partners that they had

65:41

been that the CIA had been working with,

65:43

that includes Saudi Arabia, Israel, the

65:47

UK, France, at the time, Iran, because

65:50

this was before the 1979 Iranian

65:52

revolution. They were all a part of this

65:54

thing called the Safari Club which got

65:56

its name from the uh Mount Safari. It

66:00

was basically a resort club in Kenya

66:02

which was the main hub just like

66:05

Colombia for example is kind of the main

66:07

was the main US government hub for

66:09

logistics. It was kind of a foothold for

66:12

our ability to do work in Venezuela or

66:16

Guatemala or Nicaragua or Brazil. In

66:19

Africa, Kenya was our main stronghold.

66:22

And so but Anak Kosogi ran that this was

66:25

basically a 78 country joint covert

66:30

operations intelligence

66:33

network and it was informal. It wasn't

66:37

technically the CIA. Uh and it was set

66:40

up in you can pull the Wikipedia for

66:42

this actually just so you don't need to

66:44

take my word for it. Like literally the

66:45

sanitized Wikipedia will will tell you

66:48

everything that I'm I'm saying here. And

66:51

it ended up that network ended up

66:53

becoming one of the main

66:58

Yeah. Yeah. So if you start at the top,

67:00

you'll see that that there it is on the

67:02

right. The fire club. It was a covert

67:03

alliance of intelligence services formed

67:05

in 1976 that ran clandestine operations

67:08

in Africa. Now what they're leaving out

67:10

here is that it was also Asia played a

67:12

huge role in Pakistan and uh Afghanistan

67:15

and the like. But these were all these

67:18

different countries

67:20

attempt to offset the restrictions that

67:23

the Democrats had put on the CIA. When

67:26

Reagan gets back to power in 1981,

67:31

you still have these handcuffs on the on

67:32

the CIA. You still have the the

67:34

Democrats controlling the House of

67:35

Representatives. The Democrats

67:38

did, you know, so there was an

67:39

international arms embargo. First of

67:41

all, in 1979, the Iranian revolution

67:43

happens and it's blamed on the CIA being

67:46

cut back. The CIA helped install the Sha

67:49

in 1953.

67:52

They argued that if Jimmy Carter hadn't

67:55

destroyed the CIA, we would still have

67:58

Iran as a friendly country. We could

68:01

have stopped this. We could have nipped

68:02

it in the bud. We could have had people

68:04

on the ground. It's Jimmy Carter's fault

68:06

that he that he cut the CI that we're in

68:08

this disaster with the world's third

68:10

largest reserve of of oil and gas and

68:14

this hugely geostrategic

68:16

country now being an enemy of America

68:18

rather than a friend. The the so an

68:22

international arms embargo was put on

68:23

Iran, but then Iraq threatened to invade

68:27

it and we didn't want Iraq to take it

68:30

over. So we had to get we had to do

68:33

something illegal if we wanted to help

68:34

Iran. And it was against international

68:37

law to give them weapons. But if we

68:39

didn't give them weapons, it was

68:41

perceived massive geostrategic

68:43

geopolitical earthquake that we'd live

68:46

with for centuries.

68:49

So you had to do one illegal action with

68:51

with the gun running. And then there was

68:53

a inner party dispute. The Democrats at

68:57

that time uh the majority did not want

69:01

to do

69:04

intervention in Nicaragua. Uh there was

69:06

a imparty power uh called the the

69:09

Sandinista government and there was a a

69:13

rebel faction called the Contras and

69:16

Republican donors and stakeholders had

69:18

had interests in Nicaragua and wanted to

69:21

help the Contras overthrow the

69:23

Sandinista government.

69:25

But there was a party dispute. Democrat

69:27

donors didn't profit from that and they

69:30

at the time had a fairly robust

69:32

anti-imperialism kind of mindset and

69:35

were sick of CIA regime change in by the

69:37

early 1980s after everything that was

69:39

disclosed in just the previous years. So

69:42

Republicans wanted to overthrow the

69:44

Nicaraguan governments. Democrats

69:45

didn't. Democrats had a House majority

69:48

and they passed something called the

69:50

Bolan Amendment which forbade any US

69:52

government funds from going to support

69:54

the Contras. So this put the the

69:57

Republicans in a pickle. By the way,

69:59

this is what's happening kind of today

70:01

around Ukraine. If you flip the parties,

70:03

100% of Democrats vote for Ukraine

70:05

funding. The Republican party is split

70:08

about it. This is the inverse of that

70:11

was happening in the early 1980s. 100%

70:13

of Republicans wanted to fund the

70:15

Contras against what they called the

70:18

Soviet aligned uh Sandinistas

70:21

and the Democrats were split but but

70:24

they successfully pass this bull

70:26

amendment. So the CIA was in a pickle.

70:28

How do you run guns to Iran when it's

70:34

against international law? And how do

70:36

you fund the Contras when it's illegal

70:38

to spend US government money to fund

70:42

them? And uh so what they came up with

70:47

is effectively the structure I think

70:49

it's the most useful structure for

70:50

understanding

70:52

uh American statecraft and intelligence

70:55

activity to this day. What what they

70:58

came up with is what they called a

71:01

structure called the enterprise which

71:03

the CI director Bill Casey referred to

71:06

as a private self-sustained

71:10

offtheshelf

71:11

standalone entity that did not exist

71:14

within the US government but ex but was

71:17

instead it comprised

71:20

the money came from outside fixers

71:23

who would then effectively channel donor

71:27

money and black market trade

71:30

to fund the contras.

71:33

So the money didn't come from US

71:36

taxpayers. It didn't come from US aid.

71:38

It didn't come from an allocation from

71:40

the US Department of War or or foreign

71:43

assistance from the Department of State.

71:46

As it turned out, the money came from,

71:49

you know, cocaine and uh and a couple of

71:52

other things. But uh you know that this

71:54

was the you know the famous

71:56

>> freeway Ricky Ross.

71:58

>> Yeah. Gary Webb, you know, John Kerry.

72:01

>> Uh and

72:03

the the this was the soup that Jeffrey

72:06

Epstein was was coming up in. And you

72:08

know funny story related to this is that

72:10

the the main airline used to transport

72:14

the drugs and guns in the drugs for cash

72:17

for guns operation

72:19

was a CI proprietary airline called

72:22

Southern Air Transport.

72:25

Uh, Southern Air Transport was

72:30

was the proprietary CIA airliner,

72:33

meaning it was owned and operated

72:35

exclusively by the Central Intelligence

72:36

Agency.

72:38

And it was the, you know, the airliner

72:42

that all these aircraft went uh moved

72:44

through.

72:46

Iran Contra was basically the early

72:48

1980s up until like the mid late 1980s.

72:52

in 19 it was it was based in Miami.

72:56

In 1994,

72:59

Southern Air Transport, the CIA

73:01

proprietary airline, which in the

73:04

intervening time was spun out to not be

73:06

owned by the CIA, but rather to be owned

73:08

by someone who had worked for the CIA.

73:11

Uh,

73:13

at the time it was owned by the CIA. So,

73:15

you know, pretty thin layer there. But

73:17

it moved from Miami to Columbus, Ohio,

73:23

primarily to service the Limited.

73:25

>> Oh, I know all about this, Joe.

73:27

>> I have I have a I have a video on this.

73:29

And in fact,

73:30

>> look over it, Jamie, because he's

73:31

obsessed.

73:32

>> Yeah. In fact,

73:33

>> he's obsessed with Patel.

73:34

>> Yeah, I probably told you about this 5

73:35

years ago.

73:36

>> Yeah.

73:36

>> Yeah. Okay. Well, there's a great

73:38

article, I think, uh, Spook Air

73:41

>> and, um,

73:42

>> you know, on this, but

73:44

>> how many roads lead back to Ohio? Uh

73:49

most most if not all.

73:51

>> What is what is this connection with

73:52

Ohio?

73:55

Well, Ohio was, you know, if you

73:58

remember kind of the origins of of

74:01

organized crime in the United States

74:05

really goes back to the prohibition era

74:07

when you had

74:10

this Midwestern

74:12

mafia syndicate around Cincinnati and

74:17

then it moved into Dayton and Columbus

74:19

and adjacent to Chicago and this whole

74:22

sort of hub.

74:24

around prohibition and then prohibition

74:26

was 1920 to 1933.

74:28

When prohibition ended, all these

74:30

networks went from black market alcohol

74:33

to black market drugs because it was no

74:36

longer black market. They no longer had

74:38

a business smuggling alcohol. So they

74:41

they moved into the narcotic space.

74:43

>> Which ones? Which which narcotics?

74:46

>> Well, uh it was primarily opium in the

74:51

1930s. This was part of

74:53

>> opium

74:54

>> really.

74:54

>> Well, yeah. If you because in the 1930s

74:57

was when you had as you know as we

75:00

discussed the department of wars

75:01

alliance with Changhai

75:03

and the and the Quuoman Tang the Chinese

75:05

nationalists the the supply for

75:09

you know uh

75:11

the supply for heroin for example or you

75:14

know opium it comes from Asia comes from

75:17

the golden crescent the golden triangle

75:19

and the way this logistics chain moved

75:22

was are CIA war departmentbacked

75:28

rebel groups in Asia. They sat

75:31

territorially on the Golden Triangle.

75:34

They would cultivate the opium. They

75:37

would

75:40

basically fly it out on military

75:42

aircraft. uh it went to Europe for

75:44

processing in

75:47

uh you know France was one of the main

75:50

uh you know this is this kind of French

75:52

connection saga which again Jeffrey

75:53

Epstein is weirdly connected to and I

75:56

can tell you about that if you're

75:58

interested and then it would go to the

76:00

basically Italian mafia folks

76:04

for the trans shipment and you had the

76:06

Italian mafia controlled docks and ports

76:09

in the United States and New York and

76:11

New Jersey And you had, you know, CIA

76:14

protected Italian mafia groups in

76:16

southern Italy, which at the time were

76:20

national security protected because they

76:22

were our allies against the communists.

76:25

And so you had this this drug trade to

76:28

support foreign policy imperatives. And

76:32

you you can do that you can run that

76:33

exercise with pretty much every drug on

76:36

planet Earth at this point. And it makes

76:38

it very difficult to stop the drug trade

76:40

because by stopping the drug trade, you

76:42

are you're running up against something

76:46

that your own government considers

76:48

a perhaps unfortunate but necessary

76:51

logistics hub.

76:52

>> Do you think that's happening right now

76:53

with Mexico?

76:54

>> Yeah.

76:56

>> Whoa.

76:58

>> Well, I mean, think about this. Fast and

76:59

Furious.

77:01

>> Yeah.

77:01

>> Wasn't that long ago?

77:02

>> The Fast and Furious story is [ __ ]

77:04

bananas. Tell it to people that don't

77:07

know because just the idea that they

77:10

proposed this and implemented it is so

77:14

[ __ ] crazy.

77:15

>> Yeah. Well, so this was a scandal during

77:18

the Obama administration. Eric Holder

77:21

was the attorney general of the United

77:22

States. He had to step down because he

77:24

was held in contempt of Congress for

77:26

jumping on the grenade and not turning

77:28

over the Fast and Furious files. Um,

77:32

Earth to Congress, note to Congress, who

77:34

wants to be a hero, by the way. Um, you

77:36

can do the same thing with the Epstein

77:38

bill with the Fast and Furious files.

77:41

Uh, I think everybody in this war on

77:44

drugs that, you know, we're so gung-ho

77:47

about, we just captured the president of

77:49

Venezuela over drugs. It would be

77:51

awfully nice if you compelled the

77:53

Justice Department and FBI to turn over

77:56

the Justice Department and FBI run Fast

77:58

and Furious files. But what happened was

78:01

is and I believe this had inter agency

78:04

approval, meaning the the White House

78:07

signed off on it, the Central

78:08

Intelligence Agency signed off on it,

78:10

the Department of Defense signed off on

78:12

it, the State Department signed off on

78:14

it, the FBI and ATF signed off on it.

78:17

This was a gununning operation to send

78:22

guns to the Sinaloa cartel to uh to have

78:27

them be able to successfully win a narco

78:31

drug war against the Losas cartel. The

78:34

Lozus cartel was pilfering oil

78:36

pipelines. Remember, Mexico, the oil

78:40

wealth of the United States is vastly

78:42

disproportionately concentrated in

78:44

Texas,

78:46

in West Texas and southern Texas where

78:48

it shares oil fields with Mexico.

78:50

Effectively, those oil fields go into

78:52

Mexico is replete with oil and there are

78:55

many partnerships between United States

78:56

oil companies and the Mexican government

79:00

uh PEMX and and all the different, you

79:02

know, kind of private private lines and

79:04

this is a big point of geopolitical

79:05

contention. But the fact is is one of

79:07

the things that organized crime groups

79:10

do in order to get money for their own

79:13

syndicate because they've got

79:15

effectively military control of a

79:16

territory is if a pipeline runs through

79:20

that territory, they can simply cut open

79:23

the pipeline and steal the oil. This is

79:26

for example what you know was happening

79:29

with our CIA backed uh rebel groups in

79:32

Syria. We're taking the oil. I mean, we

79:34

would literally, you know, our our

79:37

spunky moderate rebels would, you know,

79:39

literally cut open Syrian pipelines and

79:42

take the oil. And this was one of the

79:44

ways to support it, you know, you can

79:46

support it with drugs, you can support

79:47

it with black market oil. And by the

79:50

way, I while I'm on the topic,

79:54

uh if you if you pull up and I have this

79:56

on my my ex, if you type in uh Institute

80:00

uh Institute for Peace or in uh just

80:02

type in Institute Peace Drugs,

80:07

the the the US government, the US

80:10

Institute for Peace

80:12

told the Taliban not to shut down the

80:15

drug trade after they took power in

80:17

2022. They said it would have a

80:20

devastating

80:21

uh you know negative impact on the econ

80:25

you know the local economy if they

80:26

didn't keep growing what was then you

80:29

know 90 95%

80:31

of the well yeah if you well I think

80:33

click the next image

80:37

uh wait next image

80:39

yeah here you go so this is this is a

80:42

you know we give the US Institute of

80:44

Peace at the time we gave them $55

80:45

million a year the US Institute of Peace

80:47

was created by active Congress. This

80:49

headline is wild. The Taliban successful

80:52

opium ban is bad for Afghans and the

80:56

world.

80:56

>> Yes.

80:58

>> Right.

80:59

Right. So,

81:00

>> wow.

81:01

>> Now, remember just about,

81:04

you know, um

81:07

the Taliban had just taken back power.

81:11

That happened in the, you know, in the

81:13

early Biden administration. The Taliban,

81:16

if folks recall,

81:18

cut. So we the CIA was help and and the

81:22

US military as well as their allies and

81:25

with regional allies were cultivating

81:28

the opium on the golden crescent

81:31

for a noble cause to win the cold war

81:34

against the evil Soviets to this was a

81:38

big part of the funding for the muja

81:42

and this was one of the big scandals

81:44

that ended up enveloping BCCI the CIA's

81:47

bank because it was the way because it

81:51

was non-compliant with any banking

81:53

regulations. It all moved offshore.

81:56

The drug money the the drug logistics

82:00

chain that the CIA built for the

82:02

mujaheden then moved through the drugs

82:05

money laundering chain at the CIA bank.

82:08

And this apparatus had scaled for 20

82:10

years by the by the late 1990s when the

82:12

Taliban like the Chinese wanted to shut

82:15

it down when the Taliban took power in

82:17

the 1990s.

82:19

And they did that. They cut the OPM down

82:23

to effectively zero in 1999. And this is

82:27

all open source in two. And then you

82:30

know we we invade Afghanistan and

82:35

you know uh 2001 2003

82:39

uh it becomes a US military occupied

82:42

zone and it goes from 0% of the world's

82:44

heroin to 95% of the of the world's

82:46

heroin all under US military occupation.

82:49

In fact, we installed their dictator

82:52

um you know who whose brother was uh was

82:59

the main drug kingpin of the whole

83:01

country. It's and some of this moved

83:04

through um some of this moved through

83:06

the

83:08

cold war CIA backed uh uh Turkish

83:11

Greywolves outfit. And uh there's a

83:15

funny quote I think in the Michael

83:16

Hastings article on uh

83:19

Stanley Mcrist where Stanley Mcrist's

83:22

team refers to u Hameid Carzi's funny

83:26

little hat that he wore. Hamid Carzi was

83:28

the CIA installed uh you know strongman

83:32

uh after we we took over Afghanistan. He

83:34

referred to his hat as the Greywolf's

83:35

vagina. I mean the basically saying like

83:38

this is the you know the drug logistics

83:42

orifice. But leaving that aside, what

83:45

what I'm what I'm getting to is is you

83:47

you have this this banking network.

83:51

You have all these logistics chains.

83:53

Jeffrey Epstein

83:55

his first 10 when his comeup is made

83:59

through this through this whole network.

84:02

It turns out that Bear Sterns, you

84:05

opened a trading desk with to to clear

84:08

BCCI transactions in 197 1978.

84:13

Um Jeffrey Epstein's mentor, the person

84:16

who who actually recruited him to apply

84:20

to Bear Sterns was a guy named Ace

84:22

Greenberg. Ace Greenberg then was a

84:25

senior executive at the time and then I

84:28

think in 1978 or 1979

84:31

he becomes CEO so the head of Beer

84:34

Sterns. So Jeff and he sets Jeffrey

84:37

Epstein up with his daughter. So Jeffrey

84:40

Epstein is a is a young kid. People

84:42

wonder how did Jeffrey Epste make

84:43

partner at Beer Sterns so fast? Well,

84:45

there's a couple explanations. You know,

84:47

one is the guy who brought him into the

84:49

firm quickly became CEO thereafter.

84:53

and Jeffrey Epstein was dating his

84:54

daughter. The New York Times actually

84:56

reported this about a month and a half

84:58

ago uh by getting the insider testimony

85:00

of a dozen people who worked at who

85:02

worked at Bear Sterns at the time. And

85:06

so, you know, he's dating the boss's

85:08

daughter, but also Ace Greenberg as the

85:10

CEO

85:12

would have to approve all of these

85:14

transactions and it looks like was

85:16

involved in, you know, these these

85:18

clearing house activities. What happened

85:19

was is uh Bear Sterns cleared

85:24

about $13 billion worth of BCCI

85:28

transactions. And it looks like these

85:29

transactions were involved in the very

85:32

same Adnan Kosigible, so Saudi and Doug

85:36

Lease, who was a British arms dealer

85:38

that Jeffrey Epstein was flying to

85:40

London to meet with and working with all

85:43

those years. Uh, and they and be and

85:47

Bear Sterns was doing it through this

85:49

entity called Capcom, which was

85:52

what the uh the Senate report on the

85:56

BCCI scandal referred to as the bank

85:58

within the bank of BCCI. So, kind of the

86:00

inner sanctum of now that Capcom was was

86:03

owned by Kamal Autumn who was the

86:06

head of he was the chief spy for Saudi

86:09

Arabia. So he was so Bear Sterns

86:14

the New York Times reports based on a

86:16

dozen of these you know insider uh you

86:20

know testimonies they got like three of

86:22

epste's bosses on the record to talk

86:25

about you know what he was doing there.

86:27

Amazingly the New York Times does not

86:28

mention a single deal name in the entire

86:32

20,000word report.

86:33

>> Why do you think that is?

86:39

It might not be news fit to print.

86:42

Also, they just I I'll I can be

86:45

charitable and say they might they just

86:48

might not know. They might think that,

86:50

you know, uh I don't think that the New

86:53

York Times has a pinky of the

86:55

specialization in Jeffrey Epstein

86:58

cinematic universe knowledge uh that

87:01

your random anonymous

87:04

egg account on X has. So they might not

87:07

know about uh Bear Sterns doing BCCI

87:11

transactions. They might not know what

87:14

uh you know if if you don't know the

87:16

material, you don't necessarily know

87:17

what to ask. That's me being charitable.

87:20

Uh also

87:22

that you know some of the witnesses may

87:24

have said that they don't want to talk

87:26

about specific deal names because that

87:28

would tarnish

87:31

you know the folks involved in that deal

87:32

for association with Jeffrey Epstein.

87:34

There could be a lot of reasons. I'm

87:36

trying to be charitable here, but

87:38

>> but the fact is is they all said Jeffrey

87:41

Epstein moved up so fast because he was

87:42

dating the boss's daughter and he was

87:44

put on the biggest and most lucrative

87:46

deals very quickly within the firm. Um,

87:50

and

87:52

given the in the incredible volume that

87:54

Beer Sterns was appears to have been

87:56

moving through BCCI

87:58

and BCCI being, you know, the hottest

88:02

ticket in in town then in the late

88:03

1970s, it was literally the main vehicle

88:06

for the US government to covertly

88:08

launder funds. Uh, Capcom, according to

88:13

the Senate Intelligence Report and the

88:16

Justice Department investigations, was

88:18

the main vehicle for funding the

88:20

mujaheden

88:21

50% of those trades and they they

88:24

laundered it illegally. What what which

88:26

requires

88:28

a brokerage, you know, a clearing house

88:31

to to prove it. You know, the way this

88:33

is set up is you have a you have a bank,

88:35

you've you've got a money launder, and

88:37

you've got a clearing house. The bank

88:39

was the CIA bank, BCCI. The money

88:42

launderer was the CIA's

88:45

literal direct partner in this, the

88:48

Saudis.

88:50

Capcom was run by the chief Saudi spy

88:53

master. And then in 1982, Jeffrey

88:56

Epstein obtained a fake Saudi passport.

88:59

Uh, sorry, it was a fake Austrian

89:01

passport because that was a big loophole

89:03

passport during the Cold War for spies,

89:05

but said his residence was Saudi Arabia.

89:07

We didn't find this out until 2019 when

89:09

his safe was raided. But that exact

89:11

time, Jeffrey Epstein has this fake

89:13

Saudi passport.

89:16

And it's it's being done to support the

89:20

CIA backed rebel group, the Mujaheden in

89:24

Afghanistan.

89:26

But that requires a clearing house to

89:28

clear those moneyaundering trades. They

89:30

were using these mirrored commodities

89:33

trades which is this you know technique

89:34

of basically you know uh selling to

89:37

yourself to to make money look clean so

89:40

that it looks like um you know profit

89:43

and you know it looks like you you won

89:46

or lost it in a market trade rather than

89:49

through drug money

89:52

and then they were then sending that on

89:55

you know to uh to the mujad. But the

89:57

fact is is at the same time that that

89:58

was happening, Anan Kosigible, who'

90:01

become Jeffrey Epstein's client in the

90:04

1980s when he went on his own, was the

90:07

one facilitating

90:09

the weapons.

90:11

you have this drugs for cash for guns.

90:14

the person so the so the bank that's

90:18

moving the that's turning the drugs into

90:20

clean cash that the head of the you know

90:24

Saudi the Saudi spy master is running

90:27

that part of the you know banking side

90:30

and then you've got the Saudi Saudi arms

90:32

dealer who is moving it illegally into

90:37

Iran

90:38

working handinand glove with the CIA and

90:41

the National Security Council the whole

90:42

time you have A

90:45

you have a illegal financial enterprise

90:49

protected at the highest level by the

90:51

United States government, the US

90:53

intelligence services and by proxy the

90:55

Justice Department itself. Can you

90:57

imagine the Justice Department

90:59

prosecuting it while that operation was

91:00

ongoing?

91:03

Any defendant, you know, here's you

91:05

asked what what are the what are the

91:06

great reveals in uh in in the JFK files?

91:10

And I'd be remiss if I if I didn't bring

91:13

up the the case of Rolando Masser.

91:16

There's an incredible document in the

91:19

JFK files that that Tulsi Gabbard

91:21

released last year, which is a CIA

91:23

document that describes I think the

91:25

quote is massive damage if the if the uh

91:29

Justice Department pursues a criminal

91:32

case against a guy named Rolando Masser.

91:35

If you just type in Rolando Masser, JFK

91:37

files 2025 release. uh or like massive

91:40

damage or something like that, you'll

91:42

you'll see this. It's an unbelievably

91:44

incredible document. What it documents

91:46

is that there was a dispute between the

91:49

CIA and the State Department. The State

91:50

Department sets foreign policy. The CIA

91:52

is not is supposed to serve covertly

91:56

the the the State Department. The the

91:59

CIA is the junior seat at the table.

92:00

Nobody ever goes from being, you know,

92:03

uh head of the State Department to head

92:05

of the CIA. That's a that's a demotion.

92:08

The CIA is supposed to be kind of the

92:10

Yeah, I use like the

92:13

uh you know, Sopranos reference. You

92:15

know, Sylvio comes in and and you know,

92:18

shakes down the

92:21

hairdresser shop or whatever for the

92:23

money it owes the family. If you are

92:25

that hairdresser, it's easy to think

92:26

that Sylvio runs the mafia because he's

92:29

the one who shows up at your house,

92:30

breaks your windows, breaks your kn your

92:32

knuckles, and takes your money. But

92:36

Sylvio is not doing that because he runs

92:39

it. He's doing it because the person

92:41

setting the policy of the enterprise,

92:45

Tony, is the boss of it. The way it's

92:48

supposed to work is the State Department

92:49

sets policy and the CIA does or

92:52

organizes the plausibly deniable dirty

92:55

work to achieve it if that is necessary

92:57

to achieve that foreign policy.

93:00

This is why there was a lot of debate in

93:01

1948 about whether the CI should even

93:04

take on this role. This is this great

93:05

1948 George Kennan memo that says maybe

93:08

we should do have a office within the

93:11

state department called the inaug uh

93:13

called the you know bureau of organized

93:14

political warfare and then two months

93:17

later they decided the CIA would uh you

93:19

know would take that but the fact is is

93:22

it's basically a state department

93:23

function but CIA is supposed to defer to

93:25

state but what happened was is there was

93:28

a factional dispute between state and

93:30

CIA over over Cuba policy

93:34

the uh the State Department wanted

93:37

thought that the CIA backed rebel groups

93:40

in Miami were being too aggressive and

93:43

too uh too provocative, too hot-headed,

93:47

you know, doing acts of terrorism and

93:49

sorts of things that looked bad to the

93:51

international community. JFK was trying

93:53

to rein them in, but the CIA, the

93:56

careers and folks there wanted to take a

93:58

more aggressive posture. And so one of

94:00

the CIA's key

94:03

assets and ring leaders had a logistics

94:05

hub with a massive CIA backed Cuban

94:08

exile community network at that time in

94:10

the early 1960s in Miami. Uh wanted

94:14

thought that JFK was being too

94:16

impatient, too cautious. They wanted to

94:20

invade basically a section of Haiti uh

94:24

departing from Miami to use that as a

94:27

base to then do kinetic attacks against

94:30

Cuba. The state department learned that

94:33

this CIA back network led by Orlando

94:36

Masser was going to do this and stopped

94:39

it. They had a customs and border agent

94:41

basically who was like manning the docks

94:43

and caught them as like 300 of them were

94:46

you know departing to try to take over a

94:48

part of of Haiti to do this and then the

94:51

state department directed the justice

94:52

department to pursue criminal charges

94:54

against Orlando Masser

94:57

in steps the CIA and you know if you if

95:01

you can find this memo um you know it's

95:05

mas

95:07

for I think it's f RR are you are Rondo

95:10

Masser.

95:12

It's uh

95:16

>> his name's on

95:17

>> if you if it the the title of it is is

95:21

like massive damage that would that

95:23

would occur. Uh you can probably also

95:26

just find it on or just yeah massive

95:28

damage.

95:32

There you go. estimate of damage which

95:34

could acrue to CI Miami through

95:36

prosecution of the Orlando Masser

95:39

Haitian Invasion Group. Again, we just

95:41

learned the existence of this document

95:43

last year. This is from 19 the 1960s.

95:47

Now, it says, "The decision by the

95:48

Justice Department to seek a grand jury

95:49

indictment against Rando Masser and

95:51

certain of his associates is a

95:53

potentially explosive matter which could

95:56

result in extensive damage to CIA

95:58

activities in Miami. Recent adverse

96:00

publicity on the national scene and in

96:02

the Miami area have added substantially

96:04

to the already sizable embarrassment

96:06

potential. Can you imagine what these

96:08

memos look like for Jeffrey Epstein?

96:10

Some of the main sectors of danger to

96:12

CIA equities are described below. Basic

96:14

national publicity regarding student and

96:16

foundation topics have already attracted

96:18

attention of the local press to the CI

96:20

in general. Usually any reference to CI

96:23

covert activities leads to leads pressed

96:24

as check files for references of any

96:26

such activities locally. However, before

96:28

this action could be taken, the story

96:30

regarding and then he goes over the

96:32

Panama Foundation, the University of

96:34

Miami, which was what hosted JM Wave,

96:36

the University of Miami, then the CI's

96:40

largest station house in the world. It

96:41

was called JM Wave was hosted in a

96:44

facility off of the University of Miami

96:46

campus. Uh again, the biggest CI station

96:49

house in the entire world. uh the CI uh

96:52

so it goes on to say that uh okay there

96:54

have been all these

96:56

the top paragraph is saying we're under

96:59

a lot of pressure justice department the

97:01

public is already losing support for the

97:04

CIA because of all these other

97:05

disclosures and it will be disastrous if

97:09

you if if you pursue the prosecution of

97:11

him because Orlando Masser is going to

97:13

squeal. So I think if you go down to the

97:14

next page, he says uh as has been the

97:18

case for the past 6 years and he says

97:20

basically the CIA has been working with

97:23

the head of the president and treasurer

97:25

of the University of Miami uh they're

97:27

extending the the you know cooperation

97:31

and all this. So basically all these

97:32

touch points that Rando Masser's network

97:34

connects to will be exposed and they go

97:37

over all these what were previously

97:39

redacted CIA cutouts in the area. And

97:42

then he goes on the memo says, "Even if

97:44

the above circumstances did not exist,

97:46

um we would remain concerned regarding

97:49

the possible effects of the prosecution

97:50

of the masser group. Although no station

97:52

agents or persons with whom the Miami

97:54

station has contractual arrangements are

97:56

among the persons arrested or those who

97:58

will be prosecuted, it will be very easy

98:00

for the defense to drag CIA Miami into

98:03

the case. The defense has only to obtain

98:06

testimony, true or perjured,

98:09

conceivably true, from one of the

98:11

defendants or summon as defense

98:13

witnesses one or more disaffected former

98:15

agents of the CIA station in order to

98:17

begin a chain reaction

98:20

surfacing such detail and rumor

98:22

concerning CI operations against the

98:25

Cuban target. given the sizable

98:27

reduction of infiltration and reduction

98:29

a general feeling of frustration, lack

98:30

of support for Cuban freedom attributed

98:32

to passive US policy. um basically

98:35

saying it would undermine our you know

98:39

entire operation against Cuba and the

98:41

American people's support for it if the

98:43

justice department indictes these people

98:45

who just committed this crime because

98:47

they can very their the whole network of

98:50

CIA and they can just call to the stand

98:52

that the their friends and associates

98:57

had been talking with the CIA about this

98:59

well before they had done it and that

99:00

would be a massive scandal.

99:02

Now, that's just one example here. And

99:04

what goes on to happen is there's a

99:06

negotiation between the State Department

99:07

and CIA about whether to bring the case,

99:11

how to bring the case, how to shape

99:13

there's a follow-up memo on this, which

99:14

is totally incredible that I think is

99:16

more of the logistics on this. The

99:18

agreement they reach is that the State

99:21

Department wins nominally. They do bring

99:24

the prosecution, but they bring it in a

99:26

highly limited integree

99:29

to the CIA's demands to limit lines of

99:32

inquiry to uh to uh file motions

99:38

against entering anything into discovery

99:40

that might uh basically reveal the CIA

99:44

networks in in this. and they agreed to

99:48

have a CIA general counsel person on the

99:51

prosecution team in order to personally

99:54

make sure that the justice department

99:57

stays in line and if something looks

99:59

like if if the judge grants discovery

100:01

for something that might reveal the

100:03

CIA's role in it, you know, drop that

100:05

line of prosecution so that it can't be

100:08

entered into evidence. And this this is

100:13

this is what you see time and again is

100:15

the

100:18

is how these networks get protected

100:19

whether it's drug cases whether it's you

100:22

know uh foreign policy scandal cases

100:24

whether it's money laundering cases I

100:26

believe in the Mark Rich case part of I

100:28

think his lawyer uh cited at one point

100:32

or maybe it was a in his pardon

100:34

application the work that he had done

100:36

for for US intelligence services as part

100:38

of the reason that he should granted

100:40

leniency. But the point I'm getting to

100:43

here is given Jeffrey Epstein's

100:45

involvement in the BCCI network, given

100:48

Jeffrey's involvement in the 1990s with

100:50

all the foreign policy activities

100:53

happening in the Middle East at that

100:54

time, given Jeffrey Epstein's, you know,

100:56

involvement through, you know, the the

100:58

early 2000s Clinton era and everything,

101:00

given his involvement in everything from

101:03

Israeli to Saudi to British to French

101:05

high level government officials, can you

101:08

Jeffrey Epstein was investigated by the

101:10

the SEC in the 1980s He was one he was

101:13

one of the two people uh who part who

101:16

ran the biggest Ponzi scheme in history

101:18

at the time in the United States. The

101:20

tower's financial collapse. Epstein's

101:22

business partner goes to jail for like

101:24

30 years or 20 years or whatever. Uh but

101:27

Epstein skates completely free. Uh

101:30

Epstein gets involved in this huge fraud

101:33

in the US Virgin Islands with this, you

101:36

know, like billion dollar fraud case in

101:38

the US Virgin Islands. never prosecuted

101:40

for any of it.

101:43

Why is that? Well, one is, you know, he

101:46

may have, we know in the US Virgin

101:48

Islands case, he was sponsoring the

101:50

campaigns basically of the politicians

101:52

there. the prosecutor's answer to the

101:54

politicians could be that. But it I

101:58

would be shocked if there in 40 years of

102:01

this where's Waldo Forest Gump, he's

102:05

always in the room in 40 years of

102:07

American foreign policy and intelligence

102:10

activity, you know, money sourcing for

102:12

that. Uh, for all the crimes that

102:14

Epstein committed, the concern was the

102:16

same one they had with Orlando Masser.

102:20

don't bring the case and if you do bring

102:21

it in a highly limited way and that's

102:23

exactly what happened in 2006 the first

102:25

time he was indicted. Everybody was up

102:30

in arms that it was a sweetheart plea

102:32

deal. It limited it gave protection to

102:36

all co-conspirators known and unknown.

102:40

uh and and it was swooped in quickly

102:43

before, you know, there was a trial in

102:46

full so that lines of evidence couldn't

102:49

be opened about the network.

102:51

>> It's just crazy that statutory rape is

102:54

what took it all down, right? Because

102:57

it's it's underageed hand jobs, right?

103:00

That's what took it all down.

103:03

>> Yeah. I mean, I Well, it seems to be

103:05

what took Jeffrey Epstein down.

103:07

>> Kind of crazy.

103:10

Even that is has a really interesting

103:12

geopolitical history. There was a

103:13

similar scandal in the early 2000s with

103:15

a private military contractor called

103:17

Dinecorp, which again runs through this

103:20

Adnan Kosigible kind of Middle Eastern

103:22

network. Uh Dine Corp got in trouble

103:29

um for trafficking

103:31

uh facilitating the the traffic. was a,

103:34

you know, major

103:36

US military and CIA contractor for

103:39

logistics and uh, you know,

103:43

institutional support and military

103:46

assistance uh, on the ground for the US

103:48

military all over the world. they got in

103:50

trouble uh moving basically trafficking

103:54

underage kids to Middle Eastern shakes

103:59

and I believe the uh in in the early

104:01

2000s and I believe the reason

104:06

that was alleged by Congress

104:08

that they did that was to juice the

104:10

deals with them that basically you know

104:12

these uh these people who were critical

104:16

it's you know if you're operating on the

104:18

ground in Kuwait or, you know,

104:24

pick your Middle Eastern, you know,

104:25

country

104:27

in order to serve your purpose for the

104:30

US government to be this outside

104:34

plausibly deniable but extensively

104:36

infrastructured professional support

104:39

outfit on the ground. You need the

104:40

support of the local government. You

104:41

need the support of the local high level

104:42

officials. They need to be happy. And

104:45

there's several currencies for that.

104:46

There's financial payoffs and there's

104:48

other things they might like like

104:50

parties and young women uh you know

104:53

especially in places where you know

104:56

being with the very young female is not

105:00

illegal. And so what Dine Corp I I

105:02

believe got busted doing and you can

105:05

look up the Dine Corp scandal here was

105:07

was doing this and I I believe their

105:10

argument was well you wanted us to do

105:12

this thing on the ground. you wanted us

105:15

to help the US military and you know

105:18

kind of covert support nodes that were

105:20

that were happening here. Uh we had to

105:23

do it somehow. You know this is part of

105:25

what helped us do that. I would not be

105:29

surprised if the Epstein

105:32

trafficking

105:34

apparatus started

105:38

with similar motivations. not you know

105:41

that it's not for necessarily for

105:42

blackmail but because it makes clients

105:46

or customers or you know VIP people

105:52

happy. It makes that it makes them owe

105:55

you something. It makes them want to get

105:56

involved in a deal you do even if the

105:59

deal is not one they would ordinarily do

106:02

because they just want to stay close to

106:03

you because you're their supplier of the

106:05

thing, you know, of their vice of the

106:07

thing that they, you know, want but

106:09

can't get. You know, if you're if you're

106:12

a 70-year-old billionaire, you can't

106:15

walk into a bar and leave aside the the

106:17

underage thing. You can't walk into a

106:19

bar, you know, and, you know, meet an

106:20

18-year-old who's, you know, I'm pres

106:24

I'm presume, you know, these things are

106:27

facilitated that at private parties and

106:31

it needs to, you know, for a lot of

106:32

these guys, it has to be discreet. You

106:34

know, they've got wives, they've got

106:35

reputations,

106:37

and you know, there's an aspect of this

106:40

that plays out at every institution. I I

106:43

worked at a New York law firm and you

106:45

know there's you know there's there's

106:47

ways that you can make partner

106:50

uh you know at least this was kind of

106:52

the vibe that I felt like some people

106:54

make partner because they're really good

106:55

technically at what they do. They're

106:57

just amazing. They're just technical

106:59

whizzes on the minutia of how to

107:02

structure a merger or acquisition. They

107:04

you know they're just really great at

107:06

structuring an offshore banking

107:07

transaction or they're really they just

107:09

know absolutely everything about tax

107:10

law. There's some people who move up

107:12

because of nepotism. You know, they're

107:14

the brother brother and they're the

107:16

son-in-law of of a major partner. There

107:18

are some people who make partner because

107:21

they know one they brought in one client

107:23

who's just a really big main uh rain

107:25

maker. And there are some people who

107:27

move up because they open doors to

107:31

partners while they're associates. They

107:33

introduce them to someone. They host

107:36

events. They've got, you know, tickets

107:37

to exclusive things. And the partners

107:40

just like being around that person

107:41

because they get access to that person

107:44

uh in a currency that they can't get on

107:46

their own. And that includes hosting,

107:49

you know, cool exotic parties, having,

107:53

you know, attractive women. I I I've

107:56

never been convinced that the central

107:59

role of the Epstein young girl uh

108:06

in my view sidebar of of the Epstein

108:10

money laundering story is uh is that it

108:14

was for blackmail. I and part of this is

108:17

because the moment Jeffrey Epstein

108:21

formally

108:22

officially threatens somebody with

108:24

blackmail and that person tells his wife

108:28

and that wife tells her friends and that

108:30

gets out to somebody else that knows

108:32

Jeffrey Epstein,

108:35

Jeffrey Epste's access goes away

108:38

overnight. That's the sort of thing that

108:41

even a rumor of that spreading and

108:44

nobody else is going to want to do

108:46

business with them.

108:46

>> So, you think people just assume it's

108:48

blackmail because that is how you would

108:51

blackmail someone, especially underage

108:54

girls? I think it is very possible that

108:57

there could have been indirect

109:00

blackmail, meaning Epstein passes it on

109:04

to an intelligence service to uh you

109:07

know to a corporate espionage client or

109:10

something um and they use that for their

109:14

own purposes. But even then,

109:18

I mean, imagine for example, if you

109:21

know, like on the Bill Gates thing, like

109:26

there was an e, you know, Bill Gates

109:28

gets an email, I have a video of you

109:30

sleeping with this person and you know,

109:33

or somebody much lower level. The moment

109:36

they send that to the press, if you

109:39

know, in order to they figure they have

109:41

nothing to lose. I mean, there's not

109:42

been anybody in the seven years that's

109:45

transpired who said, "I've been I was

109:47

personally blackmailed by Jeffrey Eps."

109:48

I think cuz the moment you do that,

109:51

nobody comes to your parties anymore.

109:53

Nobody. You lose all the access. You

109:54

lose all the deal flow. You lose all the

109:56

goodwill that you've generated because

109:58

this rumor, people are very riskaverse,

110:01

especially at that level.

110:02

>> Right. But just to have it over their

110:04

head and never use it though,

110:07

>> right? Well, I think what I think that

110:09

what you could have is because he does

110:13

his own nefarious stuff, he could

110:16

compile it so that if they ever go out,

110:18

if they ever threaten him with

110:20

something, he's now got something on

110:22

them. And I've seen some correspondence

110:25

that, you know, in the files that that

110:29

looks like that might not be an

110:31

impossible scenario.

110:32

>> Do you think that's how Jeffrey Epstein

110:33

got in that position in the first place,

110:34

that they knew he had this kink? No, not

110:38

at all. I mean, Adna Kosigible had the

110:40

same thing. Adnan Kosogible was running

110:42

around with dozens of young and, you

110:44

know, apparently underage girls. It, you

110:47

know, the whole time. I think that

110:48

Jeffrey Epstein probably learned, you

110:51

know, how powerful that can be through

110:53

through that network. Seeing that that's

110:56

that's what powerful people do. uh that

111:00

gives them something that

111:03

gets them a lot of local influence and

111:05

gets wins them a lot of favor.

111:07

>> But that's a very specific illicit

111:09

desire

111:10

to want underage people.

111:13

>> Well, a very How do you even find out

111:15

that someone's into that? Well, I don't

111:18

think that the majority or anything

111:21

close to it of of the women were

111:24

technically I mean I think it was

111:25

largely very young um

111:29

>> you know barely legal so to speak but

111:31

and I know that there were cases of

111:32

underage but I you know I think

111:36

>> most of it was just

111:36

>> most of it was just very very young but

111:38

not

111:39

>> not like 20y old not like 13y old type

111:42

thing and then yeah remember because

111:45

this is an international enterprise and

111:47

many of the clients are like

111:50

uh you know in countries that don't

111:52

necessarily have the same norms about

111:54

that

111:55

>> that we do. Um you can very easily see

111:58

someone getting involved in that just

112:00

because girls juice deals. And so I I

112:03

don't think that Epstein

112:06

I've not seen evidence and

112:10

in my view you don't need any of that to

112:13

understand the core part of the Epstein

112:15

story that is relevance to to your life

112:17

today in terms of your own government

112:19

and the workings of power and corporate

112:21

finance and the like. But I I I do think

112:26

that Girls Choose deals and the fact

112:27

that he had the coolest parties on a

112:30

private island with the hottest girls

112:33

>> brought in a lot of intellectuals,

112:36

stimulating conversations, scientists,

112:38

all these very interesting people. So

112:40

that was part of the thing, right? That

112:42

was the draw.

112:43

>> Try hosting a cool party as a guy

112:48

without with with a bad ratio, so to

112:51

speak. uh sausage party with a sausage

112:53

party. And when you develop a reputation

112:55

for having attractive women at the

112:57

parties you host,

112:59

>> you become uh an you become an an

113:02

important person to know in the network

113:05

because basically every male has that

113:08

has a desire for attractive women. Not

113:11

saying underage obviously, but that is

113:14

like a universal

113:17

biological desire for men to be want to

113:20

be around attractive women.

113:21

>> And what did they do for gay guys?

113:24

>> I have no idea. Uh

113:26

>> is that a part of the file or the the

113:30

lore?

113:32

>> I've not seen evidence of it. I or if if

113:35

I have, I can't recall it offhand. But

113:38

>> the whole point is he's throwing these

113:40

very attractive, cool parties to get all

113:43

these people together.

113:45

>> But that's what juices deals,

113:47

>> right?

113:47

>> If you

113:50

take this scenario, um Epstein's running

113:53

a fund. um a

113:58

a donor, a colleague, someone that he'd

114:02

like to do a favor for, or an

114:04

intelligence service says, "Hey,

114:07

um

114:09

we're trying to get a pipeline built in

114:12

the Middle East.

114:14

Um we we need a you know, a facilitator

114:19

to help arrange

114:21

private outside funding for it." So this

114:24

thing can be constructed and it doesn't

114:27

look like it's coming from the US

114:28

government or just but you know we'll uh

114:31

the US government will provide some sort

114:33

of loan guarantee or something on it but

114:35

we can't raise enough money to do this.

114:38

It needs to come from the outside but it

114:40

would really help American national

114:41

security and there's probably something

114:43

in it for you if you can get this done.

114:46

Epstein then goes out and says to um

114:50

then puts out basically uh tries to make

114:53

contact with people in his network who

114:56

might be interested in that deal and

114:59

then goes and that he goes out to five

115:03

people. Two of them are uh you know in

115:07

the space locally. The the deal terms

115:10

look good. They want to do it 100%. No

115:12

hesitation. Um,

115:16

and then two people say, "Well, listen,

115:19

it's a good idea in concept, but I don't

115:21

know, the risk profile on it looks a

115:22

little high. This normally is not would

115:25

not be something that my team would

115:27

clear. We uh, you know, it's

115:29

interesting, but you know, I

115:33

it's just it's a little rich for my

115:35

blood in terms of the risk profile, but

115:38

Jeffrey Epste asked them to do it." and

115:40

Jeffrey Epstein, you know, for the past

115:43

three years of their lives has been the

115:45

best weekend they've ever had, has uh,

115:48

you know, is made them feel alive again

115:50

in their, you know, mid-50s or 60s. Has,

115:54

uh, you know, has opened all sorts of

115:55

other deals for, you know, for them, and

115:58

this deal might work out. So, uh, if I

116:01

I'm afraid that if I say no to Jeffrey

116:04

Epstein on this deal, I'm not going to

116:06

get an invite to the next party. I'm not

116:08

gonna be able to get laid again with

116:10

like, you know, a girl that I f with,

116:13

you know, women I find attractive or

116:14

that, you know, yada yada and Epstein

116:17

hooks those up. Uh, I will do I'll get

116:20

in on this deal just because I want to

116:23

be in the good graces of Jeffrey

116:24

Epstein,

116:26

>> not, you know, because this the deal as

116:29

a standalone thing. It's because it's

116:31

juiced by the girls, the parties, the

116:33

lifestyle that Epstein allows you to

116:36

have access to.

116:37

>> But in the public eye, the narrative is

116:39

underage girls. And this is the thing

116:41

that makes it so disgusting. When people

116:43

talk about it, everyone says, "Fuck kids

116:45

on the island." This is the this is the

116:48

the the big conspiracy about it. And

116:50

this is the reason why people are so

116:53

outraged about it.

116:56

My concern with the runaway train on

116:59

that is that um

117:04

it's a massive manhunt for something

117:07

that it may be true to me. It's a it's a

117:10

it's a needle in the haststack. It might

117:14

be true. Good luck looking for it. And

117:19

when when when I think about it

117:21

logically with the role that Epstein

117:23

played between BCCI, Iran Contra, uh

117:28

Latin American politics, African

117:30

politics, Asian politics, major, you

117:32

know, world foundations, all you don't

117:35

need.

117:38

It would seem

117:42

ludicrous to me that Epstein

117:46

doesn't mean it's impossible,

117:48

but logistically if Epstein ever

117:51

directly threatens someone

117:54

um proactively, that is if the person

117:56

tries to blackmail Epstein, Epstein

117:58

could, you know, reactively say, "Well,

118:01

I've got I've got [ __ ] on you, too." but

118:04

proactively and really really do someone

118:07

in like that and word gets around that

118:11

that happens.

118:13

everything everything he built goes the

118:16

whole rolodex finds out and then even if

118:18

the rumors not even if that rumor isn't

118:21

even he even if he didn't if that rumor

118:23

existed people aren't going to want to

118:25

go to the parties because uh now that's

118:28

not like an unfettered good time that is

118:32

like oh he did this to this guy I know

118:34

>> right

118:35

>> and uh so

118:39

and the fact that you know these sorts

118:40

of things they have a you

118:45

like well way beyond blackmail. They

118:48

have they have a value in terms of

118:51

bringing people in network and keeping

118:53

clients and customers happy and

118:55

providing access and and I think

119:00

I think that the the focus on that

119:02

listen if there were if there were any

119:04

sort of receipts whatsoever on that

119:06

after all these years if there was like

119:10

something really good to chew on on that

119:13

on that thread I'm I'm very I'm

119:16

open-minded about

119:18

But my concern is the fixation on this.

119:24

If you think about the sort of pie chart

119:26

of what the Epstein cinematic universe

119:29

can tell you about the world,

119:32

even if it's true, it's a very very very

119:34

small fraction of that. And this gets

119:37

back to in 1999. I I mentioned

119:42

Jeffrey Epstein

119:44

foyed the Central Intelligence Agency in

119:47

1999

119:49

for all records about himself

119:52

and then he did it again in 2011. Now

119:55

Jeffrey Epstein was not a public figure

119:57

at all in 1999. He didn't come into

120:00

public awareness, public attention until

120:02

2001, 2002 when he started flying when

120:06

he flew Bill Bill Clinton around

120:08

postpresidentidency Bill Clinton around

120:10

uh on his Africa tour around the time of

120:13

the start of the Clinton Foundation and

120:15

everyone was wondering whoa who's who's

120:17

this eccentric billionaire who uh is

120:21

personally flying around on his private

120:22

jet the president of the United States

120:24

for the past eight years and that's when

120:27

you know the Jeffrey Epstein celebrity

120:29

story started, but he was a he was a

120:31

private figure in 1999 when he foyed the

120:34

Central Intelligence Agency for records

120:37

and and the and we just learned this in

120:39

the files this week.

120:42

The the response, we don't actually have

120:46

the underlying

120:48

what's what's in the files is a 2011

120:51

FOYA response to Jeffrey Epstein's

120:53

lawyer. Jeffrey Epste did this through

120:55

his lawyer using the Privacy Act. This

120:57

is a way to basically kind of

121:00

anonymously foyer the the CIA to uh

121:07

basically keep communications between

121:08

the CIA and your lawyer for information

121:11

you're entitled to under the privacy act

121:13

about about yourself.

121:15

And we don't have the underlying letter

121:18

in the files tragically and for whatever

121:21

reason. But we uh but what we do have

121:25

because I would expect that to be an

121:26

enclosure to the CIA response. But the

121:29

fact is is anybody who wants to be a

121:31

hero right now and I have it up on my on

121:34

my ex account I have in the thread that

121:38

I did on this the reference the file

121:40

reference numbers. These are not

121:42

classified documents. Foyer responses

121:44

are not classified. So, anybody right

121:47

now can foyer the Central Intelligence

121:49

Agency for all records and

121:51

communications related to the CIA's

121:56

written communications with Jeffrey

121:58

Epstein via his lawyer both in 1999

122:02

2011, but the 2011 what it says is we

122:05

have received your request for your

122:07

client Jeffrey Epstein's uh you know uh

122:10

records search under the Freedom of

122:12

Information Act. Uh, we've granted the

122:15

request to search for all open and

122:19

acknowledged agency affiliations between

122:22

Jeffrey Epstein and the CIA.

122:25

Uh, we have run that search and the

122:28

answer is no documents are responsive to

122:30

the request. And then it says in the

122:32

next paragraph, with respect to your

122:35

request that touches on classified uh

122:39

classified documents, we can neither

122:41

confirm nor deny the existence or

122:44

non-existence of of any such documents.

122:46

So you can consider this a partial

122:48

denial of your foyer request. Now,

122:51

what's so interesting about that is you

122:54

may think if you read that that Jeffrey

122:56

Epstein

122:58

uh you know just requested any public

123:00

facing links between him and the CIA. Um

123:04

or uh you know what just a general you

123:07

know uh what do you have on me that the

123:10

public can search just to see? First of

123:12

all, the fact that he did that alone

123:14

twice in 1999 2011 says something. But

123:17

the you might think, okay, well, he just

123:20

wants to know if other people might

123:21

think that he's CIA, you know, he's he's

123:26

moving up in the world in 1999. He's

123:28

about to be a massive public figure. He

123:29

wants to know if other people

123:32

foyer the CIA for records on him, what

123:34

they will see.

123:36

And but that it turns out that response

123:41

to a FOYA partial granting of the FOYA

123:45

to look for open and acknowledged agency

123:47

links and partial glowar uh can neither

123:51

confirm nor deny existence non-existence

123:53

is a stock CIA foyer response whenever

123:56

you foyer the CIA for someone's

124:00

personnel files

124:02

which leads to the question because The

124:06

fact that the CIA says we we are

124:09

consider this a denial of your request

124:12

for classified for things that touch on

124:15

classified matters means that he asked

124:18

he he didn't just ask for all open and

124:20

and acknowledged links between the CIA

124:22

and himself. He asked for something and

124:26

whatever that thing was, it touched on

124:28

something classified. There would have

124:30

been no glowar if if there would have

124:32

been nothing to deny about the request.

124:36

if it had only been limited to open and

124:39

acknowledged links.

124:41

To me, this is a bombshell and should

124:43

prompt Roana and and Thomas Massie and

124:46

the 427 members of the House of

124:48

Representatives and 100% of the US

124:50

Senate to pass the same bill that the

124:54

United States Congress did in 1992 for

124:56

for all for the JFK uh you know, Records

125:00

Collection Act when the CIA was forced

125:02

by law to stand up an independent

125:04

auditing body to review all classified

125:07

records relating to the JFK

125:09

assassination for the first time

125:11

and then declassify them over months and

125:16

years through the work of that

125:17

independent board.

125:20

The existence of of this correspondence

125:22

we just learned about this week alone

125:25

should prompt a 427 to1 and 100% Senate

125:30

to do the same thing they just did with

125:31

DOJ files for CIA originated files.

125:36

That's actionable immediately. Who's

125:39

going to want to be on the other side of

125:40

that in Congress? No. The CIA's records

125:44

about Jeffrey Epstein, prolific child

125:47

sex traff, however you want, you know,

125:50

whatever you see in the Roshock Inkblot

125:53

test of of the Epstein universe. Um, I

125:57

think it would be very hard to be if

125:59

that bill gets introduced for a sitting

126:02

member of Congress to be on the other

126:04

side of it. I think it would pass and it

126:06

would legally compel the CIA to turn

126:08

over what I think are quite possibly

126:13

arguably very likely 40 years of CIA

126:18

documents referencing Epstein. The CIA

126:21

would not be doing its job if it didn't

126:23

have records about Jeffrey Epstein.

126:26

Jeffrey Epstein was a

126:27

counterintelligence threat with all the

126:29

foreign countries that he was dealing

126:31

with. If if he had been a double agent

126:33

sort of thing, the CIA would not be

126:35

doing its job if it was not keeping tab.

126:36

The C Epstein's network was a key

126:39

financial and logistics hubs in highly

126:42

geopolitical sensitive areas of

126:43

operation of the CIA. The economics

126:46

division of the CIA, let alone, you

126:48

know, the operations division is going

126:50

to have to, you know, uh keep uh

126:54

analysts informed about money flows in

126:57

those countries. And when you add and

126:59

then you add in the fact that he

127:01

represented Anan Kosigible's money who

127:03

was the CI's main point person

127:07

for 10 years uh the the literal central

127:11

lynch pin and his money is being

127:12

handled. There's no way and you would

127:15

now have a legal mechanism to enforce CI

127:19

declassification if Congress forces it.

127:21

Now the other part of it is okay why

127:23

hasn't the CIA turned this over before?

127:25

You could argue it's a Orlando Masser

127:27

case. It would embarrass the agency. It

127:30

would mean in Congress their funding is

127:32

going to get decimated because they're

127:34

they're toxic. You can argue it's

127:36

foreign governments that don't want the

127:37

but part of it is the CI is not allowed

127:39

to do this unless the Congress forces

127:40

them. These are classified documents. I

127:42

mean it could,

127:44

you know, charitably volunteer to OD and

127:48

uh by conducting,

127:50

you know, an internal task force uh that

127:54

voluntarily,

127:56

you know, ask Tulsi Gabbard to

127:59

declassify these. Uh I wouldn't hold

128:02

your breath on that, but this is

128:05

immediately actionable and it would

128:06

solve the mystery. All we need is one

128:09

brave member of Congress to get the ball

128:11

rolling and stand up that bill and you

128:14

can just copy paste the 1992 JFK Records

128:17

Collection Act and just substitute JFK

128:19

for Jeffrey Epstein.

128:21

>> What's your take on the circumstances

128:23

around his death?

128:27

>> I don't know.

128:28

I

128:29

>> It's weird that they took a guy who is

128:32

one of the most high-profile defendants

128:34

ever and you put him in jail with a mass

128:38

murderer.

128:39

>> Yeah.

128:40

>> Yeah.

128:40

>> Kind of crazy. You put him in jail with

128:42

a cop who had killed drug dealers. A

128:45

juiced up gigantic cop.

128:48

>> Yeah.

128:48

>> Who was obviously a psychopath. And then

128:51

18 days before he died, he complained

128:53

that that guy tried to kill him.

128:55

>> Yeah.

128:57

Uh,

128:58

I mean it it it doesn't look good. I

129:01

>> It's just crazy that this guy wasn't in

129:03

protective custody. It's crazy that the

129:06

cameras go down. It's crazy that the

129:09

footage that they've released is weird

129:10

because it's missing it's missing time.

129:14

>> And it's crazy that it happened under

129:16

the watch of an attorney general who

129:19

himself was so deeply embedded in the

129:21

Epstein network his whole life. I mean,

129:23

from the weird kind of coincidence of

129:26

Bill Bar's father, Donald Bar and

129:28

Jeffrey Epstein's Dalton school to the

129:30

fact that Bill Bar started his career in

129:33

the CIA during the Iron Contra operation

129:36

that Jeffrey Epstein was appears to have

129:38

been doing the covert money laundering

129:40

for. I mean, Jeffrey Bill Bar was like

129:43

seven years. He went to Knight Law

129:45

School, trained to be a lawyer while he

129:47

was at the CIA. And then his, you know,

129:49

main job was being the CIA's blocker and

129:52

tackler to obstruct

129:56

uh he was the he was the CIA's point of

129:57

contact to Congress during the Iran

129:59

Contra scandal that Jeffrey Epstein was

130:00

so deeply involved in. uh and was blamed

130:04

in the press at the time for being the

130:06

person at CIA blocking Congress from

130:09

seeing the CIA scan documents that were

130:12

so central to the scandal. Then he

130:15

becomes the attorney general of the

130:16

United States and he writes the pardons

130:18

of the BCCI officials

130:22

who was co-leading that investigation,

130:23

Robert Mueller at the time. This is in

130:25

the early 1990s, the first time Bill

130:28

Bar.

130:29

So you have the BCCI Bear Sterns

130:33

multi-billion dollar operation

130:36

that appears to me that Jeffrey Epstein

130:38

was working on and then got took the

130:41

clients from that deal as his own

130:42

personal clients when he went private on

130:43

his own. and Bill Barr is who lets the

130:47

people from the crooked CIA bank off the

130:50

hook and then he becomes attorney

130:52

general again. Uh, you know, and in 2019

130:56

it's he's the one in charge of the FBI.

130:59

The FBI answers to the Justice

131:00

Department. The FBI is the same

131:01

relationship with with justice that the

131:03

CIA has with state. You know, they're

131:04

the investigative arm of the Justice

131:07

Department.

131:08

So, you know, I I think if you I think

131:11

it's hard to trust anyone on this and I

131:15

don't know, you know, what kind of file

131:17

set the Trump FBI inherited after after

131:22

all this time. Uh it it's hard to make

131:25

heads or tails of it. To me, I think

131:29

getting answers on the things that are

131:30

immediately actionable, you getting the

131:33

CIA's direct correspondence with Jeffrey

131:35

Epstein, you know, that I mentioned, uh,

131:38

a a congressional bill that forces that

131:40

because if it comes out that there are

131:43

effectively an an entire avalanche of

131:47

classified Epstein files,

131:50

uh, dating back 40 years, and then

131:52

you've got the CIA attorney G. It puts

131:55

these things in a in a very different

131:56

light depending on whether

132:02

the thing that has generated so much

132:05

smoke this whole time uh the allegation

132:08

of protection

132:10

by US government intelligence and

132:14

however many others uh to know that on

132:19

physical paper like we know that the CIA

132:22

interfered in the Orlando Mass trial

132:24

like We know that the CIA contracted out

132:26

to mafia hitman an attempt to kill a

132:28

foreign president. Like we know that MK

132:32

Ultra actually was real. We these things

132:36

you can't scale, you know, I think of

132:38

things like a like a Jenga tower. If if

132:41

if a foundational piece is not solid,

132:45

you can scale a whole architecture of BS

132:49

on top of it. And if that assumption

132:51

falls away, this majestic looking, you

132:56

know, tapestry of just years and years

132:59

of effort collapses because the thing

133:01

you assumed to be true because it looked

133:04

like there was so much smoke to to know

133:08

it to be true that that is a solid piece

133:11

that you can put the next piece on top

133:13

of.

133:14

You know, it's um there's that quote,

133:16

99% is a [ __ ] 100% is a breeze.

133:21

>> What does that mean?

133:23

>> It means when you're only 99% sure of

133:25

something, you you always have to

133:28

agonize.

133:30

Well, what if it's not true?

133:35

And it and I think it is and I build all

133:39

this stuff on top of it. The 1% chance

133:42

that that's not true means uh it would

133:45

be a real [ __ ] for this me to spend

133:47

years of effort on this thing for me to

133:49

spend thousand you know millions of

133:51

dollars you know on this thing when it's

133:53

based on assumption that was only 99%

133:56

likely to be true but 1% it may have

133:59

been structured some way different there

134:00

might be something I missed in this

134:02

whereas 100% is a breeze. Okay, it's

134:05

automatic. You can and things like this

134:09

is why document drops like this are so

134:12

vital. Not even necessarily because they

134:16

have some single smoking gun that tells

134:19

you who killed JFK or you know uh

134:25

what client Jeffrey Epstein traffked

134:28

women to. but because it allows you

134:32

to put down real Jenga pieces about what

134:35

actually happened and that process

134:38

itself allows you to ask the questions

134:40

that might get you to those answers.

134:43

>> That makes a lot of sense. Um, is there

134:46

anything else you want to add to this?

134:49

>> I mean, we could kind of go on for days.

134:52

>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you spend so much

134:54

time on this stuff. How do you have that

134:56

kind of an attention span? It's kind of

134:58

nuts. I mean, I I follow some of your

135:00

live streams. I'm like, first of all,

135:03

your recall is insane.

135:06

>> You know, I I heard something once which

135:08

I think is really helpful. I don't think

135:10

I'm special in any way like this. I

135:12

think literally anyone can do this if

135:14

you just kind of apply this kind of

135:15

trick. I heard this once, which is that

135:18

if you read a history book,

135:21

don't just read it agnostically.

135:25

Have a theory in mind about what you

135:30

think

135:32

this is and how it worked. Even if you

135:35

are wrong about that theory, what you

135:37

will find is that names, dates,

135:41

locations,

135:43

your brain will remember them forever

135:46

because they're not,

135:49

you know, if I'm if I'm thinking about

135:52

something that happened in, you know,

135:55

uh, I don't know, like November 11th,

136:00

1983.

136:02

Okay. If if I see like that date on a

136:05

driver's license card or something, um,

136:08

and I have no theory of mind when I see

136:10

that, I'm not going to remember that

136:11

five minutes from then. It's it's going

136:13

to be like remembering trying to

136:14

remember a 11 string, you know, number

136:18

or like someone's cell phone or

136:20

something when you don't really know the

136:21

person or you've never, you know, you

136:22

haven't dialed it a million times. But

136:25

if you have a theory of mind that you

136:26

are indexing those things in relation

136:29

to, what you find is that your your

136:31

brain keeps those in that index. So like

136:34

I I've joked like

136:37

because you we've talked about this Iran

136:39

Contra affair which was really the

136:41

creation of this apparatus that we live

136:44

under today where because the CIA got

136:47

handcuffs put on it, everything had to

136:50

become CIA to get around those

136:52

handcuffs. the universities had to be

136:54

the foundations, the private

136:56

philanthropic donors, you know, that and

136:58

this is what happened in the censorship

137:00

industrial complex. It was all wrapped

137:01

around this. But what you find is like

137:04

those dates mean something to you

137:05

because they're they're placed in

137:07

relation to something else that happens.

137:09

Uh, you know, I I joke that like I index

137:12

things by, you know, Iron Contra often.

137:14

Like for example, if if there's when I

137:16

was, you know, studying about BCCI and I

137:19

learned, okay, this happened in 1984, I

137:21

don't just think about 1984 as a an

137:24

abstract thing. I think, okay, well,

137:25

that means it happened after the meeting

137:28

between Robert McFarland and Anand

137:30

Kosigible, but before the uh you know,

137:33

the oil pipeline scandal of Edme. And

137:36

then so I remember that this thing

137:39

happened on this date because I place it

137:41

into that index and anyone I think it's

137:44

it's a

137:47

I think it's something that anyone you

137:49

know I think people organically do it

137:51

when they're really passionate about

137:52

something. And um you know this is an

137:56

easy thing to be passionate about

137:58

because

137:59

it gets to the heart of networks that

138:03

are the determining power structures of

138:06

of your life. When you look up and then

138:09

you look up at the thing that you're

138:10

looking up at and you look up at the

138:12

thing you above that. This is this is

138:15

the network you see whether it's in

138:17

intelligence, military, statecraftraft,

138:19

high finance, private philanthropies,

138:22

universities, labor unions, scientific

138:25

research. It doesn't mean it's, you

138:28

know, the Epstein network, so to speak,

138:29

but it's it's this this layer of

138:32

interconnected human networks. And I

138:36

think it's an an important history for

138:39

the American people to have access to so

138:43

that they can make informed decisions

138:44

about how they want to change that

138:46

world. How they can make informed

138:48

decisions about what to vote for. They

138:50

can make informed decisions about what

138:52

kind of, you know, industries that

138:55

they're participating in that they might

138:56

want to see reformed.

138:58

And uh it's so it makes it easy to be

139:02

passionate about because if we can if we

139:04

can get a win here, it'll really change

139:06

the world.

139:07

>> Well, I think you do a great service and

139:10

I think you're abilities are

139:11

exceptional. I think you're selling

139:13

yourself short a little bit. You're

139:14

being a little self-deprecating because

139:16

it's very unusual what you're able to do

139:18

and I I think the just the sheer amount

139:21

of time that you've invested in this

139:24

stuff is kind of mind-boggling. Well,

139:26

what would you like to see in this? Like

139:29

if if you had a wish list, what are the

139:31

things that are open threads or

139:34

>> Well,

139:36

the the real concern with me is that

139:38

it's unfixable and that this is just a

139:40

standard

139:42

way that our government has operated

139:44

since the 1950s or whenever and it can't

139:47

be fixed and that they'll just gloss

139:49

over it. a new person will get into

139:51

office and promise that they're gonna

139:55

implement some reform and it never

139:57

happens and that we just accept that

140:00

over and over and over again. That's the

140:02

real fear. The real fear is that there's

140:04

a slow capture of our democracy to the

140:07

point where it's just a mere illusion.

140:10

That's the real fear. And I think a lot

140:11

of people think that we've already

140:12

passed the point of no return on that.

140:15

That's what scares the [ __ ] out of a lot

140:16

of people. And then when you see um

140:19

things that are happening in other

140:20

countries

140:22

um like particularly England which is

140:24

just

140:26

rampant crackdown on free speech and

140:28

what the the arrests from people that

140:31

are posting things on social media sites

140:34

and the implementations of uh there's a

140:37

a new thing that they tried to do or I

140:40

think they are doing this concept of uh

140:44

having a limited amount of times you can

140:45

drive outside of a zone. And after that,

140:48

you have to pay for it. That's a new

140:49

thing, right?

140:50

>> Yeah. Smart type concept.

140:52

>> I can send this to you, Jamie, because I

140:54

just sent it to uh Constantin

140:58

It appears to be real and it's

141:00

terrifying.

141:01

>> Your carbon budget.

141:02

>> Yeah, that's nuts. Well, look at what

141:04

California is doing right now. What

141:06

California is doing is um they are

141:10

taking uh or they're they're moving

141:13

forward with this the idea that you have

141:16

a um

141:18

a tax on the amount of miles that you

141:20

drive now.

141:21

>> Yeah.

141:21

>> So instead of just taxing gas like

141:24

they've always done, now they're taxing

141:26

you on the amount of miles that you

141:28

drive. Well, you're already getting tax

141:30

on that. If you're driving more miles,

141:31

you're spending more money on gas. So

141:32

you're getting you're spending more

141:33

money on tax. But now they're taxing on

141:36

top of that, which is essentially

141:37

they're stealing money.

141:38

>> Yeah.

141:39

>> Um, why can't I find it?

141:43

Uh, Ford here. Here you go. Hold on a

141:46

second.

141:48

Jamie, you're on uh you're on Signal,

141:51

right?

141:52

>> Uh, I can get it to myself.

141:57

It is really interesting how that whole

141:58

thing

141:59

>> I said signal

142:01

>> the but uh

142:02

>> but it's crazy that

142:04

the California thing is bananas.

142:06

>> It just says Wow.

142:08

>> That's it.

142:09

>> Oh, it doesn't have the link.

142:10

>> Link. Okay, hold on.

142:14

>> Huh? Oh, maybe this is it. Hold on. Hold

142:17

on a second.

142:22

I think there's a really interesting uh

142:24

underdeveloped history around the

142:26

origins of the

142:29

uh climate

142:32

the 2006 2005 2006 2007 really uh

142:38

global warming climate kind of policy

142:41

push from the US government

142:44

that became a runaway train uh as

142:47

investor money rushed in. It's my it's

142:50

my opinion and I'm open-minded about it,

142:53

but it it appears to be the case

142:56

in my view after

142:58

a study of this uh that the US

143:02

government uh together with uh foreign

143:05

allies pursued this kind of you know uh

143:10

demonization of of carbon at a real

143:12

policy level or hydrocarbon based fuels

143:15

uh as a

143:18

kind of geopolitical battering ram

143:20

against newly resurgent Russia in the

143:23

mid 2000s.

143:25

uh as as Putin was getting power back

143:29

over a bunch of post uh postsviet

143:34

Eastern satellite countries through

143:36

basically pipeline exploiting his

143:38

leverage uh around pipelines and the

143:41

fact that you know this is like the John

143:43

McCain type quote right that Russia is a

143:45

gas station with the military right you

143:47

hear that a lot

143:47

>> you know Gasprom the state sponsored uh

143:50

oil company was like effectively the

143:52

biggest oil company in Well, gas problem

143:55

wasn't for gas but Ross Neft and Roy

143:58

Russia had you at one point the largest

144:00

oil uh you know exports in in the world.

144:03

It was it was the motor engine of their

144:05

economy. uh oil and gas and the olig the

144:09

relationship between Russian oligarchs

144:11

and businessmen and Eastern European

144:13

Russian oligarchs and and businessmen

144:15

allowed that hydrocarbon-based

144:19

um dependency and financial opportunity

144:22

to let Putin reassert Russian control

144:25

over central and eastern European

144:27

countries that that NATO was trying to

144:31

you know turn into you know western

144:33

vassel states essentially. viously had

144:35

this in the 1990s this wasn't an issue

144:38

because Boris Yelton was the president

144:40

and he was effectively

144:42

um

144:44

an adjunct of of the US government

144:47

incidentally through Larry Summers and

144:50

the Jeffrey Epstein Harvard network but

144:52

uh so there became this push after uh

144:56

you know Russia's interventions in

144:58

Georgia and the like and a big attack on

145:00

on a lot of uh you know high level

145:03

Republican And well well basically

145:08

I think this push to try to create uh a

145:14

shift in the types of energy the world

145:18

uses was a way to kneecap

145:21

uh Russia's main source of revenue to

145:25

ensure that the

145:29

um the Eurasia

145:32

the the plan to 's uh political or

145:35

vassal state control over Eurasia would

145:36

continue against Putin's new nationalist

145:40

uh and global resurgence and this

145:43

includes a bunch of crap that happened

145:44

in 2003 2004 but effectively then you

145:46

started to see the US government

145:47

champion these hydrocarbon policies and

145:49

you started to see all of these

145:51

international forums, journals,

145:54

regulators openly talking uh in this

145:57

mids period as Russia was starting to

145:59

reclaim political influence that these

146:04

climate policies

146:06

would be a way to stop Russian power and

146:10

influence because it would [ __ ] them

146:12

economically. They'd have there'd be no

146:15

there'd be no business, you know,

146:16

between oligarchs in the different

146:18

countries for them to even leverage. It

146:20

would uh effectively allow us to

146:22

continue the golden age of the uniarty

146:25

1990s moment. And then you saw all these

146:28

government subsidies toward to it, you

146:29

know, uh tax benefits like, you know,

146:32

free money basically. Uh and then it

146:35

became a runaway as the the market saw

146:37

that that this was a highly protected

146:39

incentivized space by the US government.

146:43

They all flooded in. Now they've got a

146:45

sunk cost. If those policies change,

146:47

you've got trillions of dollars in

146:50

climate finance globally,

146:51

>> right? And then these started becoming

146:53

part of like IMF loan you know

146:55

requirements and uh and but now it's

146:58

like even if the science is completely

146:59

wrong

147:01

uh what started arguably as a kind of

147:06

you know national security

147:08

based way to force energy

147:10

diversification. This is what we we put

147:12

Europe through the United States with

147:14

the sanctions against Russia. we forced

147:16

them to uh you know divest of of of oil

147:19

and gas and invest in a basket of you

147:20

know alternative energy cleaner energy

147:22

supplies. Uh but now it's and they and

147:25

that could be justified at the national

147:27

security level with the science of this

147:30

actually being the case. Uh so you could

147:33

sell it to the whole world. Uh

147:36

even if even if you prove that false at

147:38

this point there's there's so much

147:40

infrastructure built up that um you know

147:45

you have this network you have you have

147:47

hedge funds you know you got I mean Bill

147:50

Gates has a climate fund Al Gore is a

147:54

billionaire from from this one Tommy

147:55

Styer one of the biggest investors in

147:57

DNC the climate impact fund Michael

148:00

Bills who funded uh the CIA governor of

148:03

Virginia Abigail Spanberlar and and

148:05

>> then the momentum of the it's sort of an

148:07

unstoppable social narrative now.

148:09

>> Right. Well, and it's and the thing

148:11

that's terrifying about it is that it

148:14

has conjoined the diplomatic muscle of

148:16

of the American government and whatever

148:19

allies abroad with private finance. Like

148:23

for example, like uh we overthrew the

148:26

government of Bangladesh in 2024. The

148:28

Biden administration did. They ran this

148:30

whole coup. They did it through the

148:31

national down for democracy. CIA cutout

148:34

and a million other orgs on the ground.

148:36

It was a color revolution street

148:37

protest. You know, I think we may have

148:39

talked about this last time where

148:41

literally the CIA

148:45

sock puppet National Endowown for

148:47

Democracy sponsored like rap music

148:49

videos and you know produced them and

148:52

put them on YouTube and uh and then

148:54

worked with the unions you know set up

148:56

like transgender dance festivals to try

148:58

to get the you know the LGBT community

149:01

you know on board against the

149:02

government. and then you know giant

149:03

riots they install you know it's

149:05

effectively a but part of the the thing

149:07

that they they leaned on in the

149:09

post-transition government is to you

149:12

know agree to these

149:14

you know basic basically like climate

149:16

finance reforms and you can

149:20

just like the CIA and the oil industry

149:23

became completely inseparable completely

149:26

inseparable I mean George Bush for

149:28

example Zapata Energy Offshore and the

149:30

whole Texas oil thing and uh you know to

149:34

then becoming the Central Intelligence

149:35

Agency director. I mean Trump's first

149:37

Secretary of State was Rex Tillerson.

149:38

Rex Tillerson never worked in

149:40

government. The Secretary of State

149:41

oversees the CIA. He's got the whole CIA

149:43

portfolio. How's he know? Well, he was

149:46

the chairman and CEO of Exxon Mobile.

149:49

You can't The CIA and the US military

149:52

creates the market for oil companies.

149:54

You can't get access to the oil unless

149:56

you either overthrow a government or

149:59

support against a insurgency political

150:01

movement one that will guarantee you

150:03

favorable terms uh you know access yada

150:05

yada the whole market and then the CIA

150:08

and DoD people will rotate into board

150:10

seats on those oil companies and so it

150:13

becomes inseparable and my fear about

150:14

this is that over the past 10 years the

150:17

same thing has started to happen with

150:19

the client the the the sort of you know

150:22

clean energy side of the uh you know of

150:28

big energy companies like in big oil and

150:31

C big oil and CIA for a century now you

150:34

have like big climate and CIA because

150:38

there's so much money it's energy is the

150:40

master resource and so now you've got

150:43

you know what appears to me CIA

150:46

intervention in part like some of these

150:48

things you have to wonder why did the

150:50

Biden CIA try to overthrow the Bolsinaro

150:55

government in Brazil. This was a pro- US

150:57

uh political party. It was a uh the the

151:01

person, you know, Lula was tied at the

151:04

hip with China, divested from all these

151:06

US contracts, you know, massively

151:09

reduced the, you know, the the footprint

151:12

of of US aligned policies in the second

151:16

biggest country country in our

151:18

hemisphere.

151:20

And well, you know, Brazil just

151:22

announced like this $ 1.3 trillion

151:24

climate finance initiative and you know,

151:26

all of these people are all these New

151:29

York hedge funds and London banks who've

151:32

skated towards this are are in on that.

151:34

You have I mean this is a crazy case. Uh

151:37

you know, one of the biggest

151:38

beneficiaries of the post coup Lula's

151:42

government in Brazil uh were all of the

151:45

uh clean ethanol. George Soros's longest

151:48

standing equity investment at that point

151:51

was country a company called Adicoagra

151:53

which did a clean ethanol uh fuel uh

151:57

alternatives. The problem is is it's you

151:59

know it's part of its business. Part of

152:01

it is it's not competitive on price with

152:04

you know diesel

152:06

based fuels. So the only way to, you

152:09

know, compete and win that market and

152:11

make millions of dollars is if the

152:12

government imposes a mandate, a quota

152:16

that forces people to buy your product.

152:19

Well, George Soros co-sponsored those

152:21

CIA adjacent national down for democracy

152:24

operations all over Brazil. Well, he's,

152:27

you know, holding an equity interest in

152:29

the thing that day one there's an

152:31

imposed mandate to use those cl those

152:33

climate products. It's the same thing in

152:35

Africa. You have like CIA regime change

152:38

to force clean energy companies so that

152:40

the people who sponsor the the the

152:43

donors who sponsor the politicians who

152:45

pick the staff of the CIA

152:48

enacts policies that makes money for

152:49

those hedge funds invested in in climate

152:51

finance.

152:53

>> So [ __ ] up.

152:54

>> I think that's what's happening in

152:55

California without the regime change

152:58

element. I think at the kind of you know

153:01

I I think you have investors who who

153:03

profit from this and the only way those

153:05

investments can be profitable is if

153:08

government imposes mandates, quotas and

153:11

bans on the on alternatives to that

153:13

product. I mean that's kind of the way

153:14

the vaccine market works.

153:18

Do you get that link?

153:19

>> Yeah. Um

153:25

should we play it?

153:26

>> Yeah, just play it.

153:28

sound. Hold on.

153:30

>> The UK, they just set up their little

153:32

15-minute city and they are now charging

153:35

people for leaving the city. You get 100

153:38

free days. They call it a free day. You

153:40

get a free pass to leave the 15-minute

153:42

city. And if you exceed your 100 free

153:45

days, you have to pay the US dollar

153:48

equivalent of $93 per day. And if you

153:52

live outside of the 15-minute city and

153:53

you want to travel into the 15-minute

153:55

city, you get 25 free passes. Free move.

153:58

Oh, they're the government's giving you

154:00

free movement capability. You get 25

154:02

free passes. And if you exceed those 25

154:05

days, it's $93 a day. And how are they

154:09

tracking all this? Oh, there's not a man

154:10

at the gate. They're not writing up

154:13

tickets or having police officers

154:14

settle. Oh, no. They are monitoring you

154:16

with digital AI surveillance and

154:19

cameras. and then they're automatically

154:21

finding you. This is why we have to be

154:23

against the flock cameras in the United

154:25

States. They're not just speed trap

154:26

cameras. This is why we have to be

154:28

against the Palanteer whole of

154:29

government database. This is why we have

154:31

to stand up and raise awareness and

154:33

bring attention to these matters instead

154:34

of arguing with each other and NPCs on

154:37

the internet over left versus right

154:39

issues or my side, your side. They are

154:40

keeping us artificially divided because

154:42

they are setting up this infrastructure

154:43

in the United States right now. Divide

154:46

and conquer. We are in the division part

154:48

of the divide and conquer agenda.

154:50

Conquer is next. You think it's bad now?

154:53

Wait till you have to pay $100 a day to

154:55

leave your 15-minute city. The

154:57

conspiracy,

154:59

>> right? So only rich people are going to

155:01

be able to afford that. It's just like

155:03

the meat thing, right? It's like, you

155:05

know, the you're the irony of, you know,

155:09

Australia being a prison colony and now

155:12

you've got uh now it's like the homeland

155:14

in the UK. But I mean, look, the UK just

155:17

got rid of like jury trials for a lot of

155:19

cases and

155:21

>> uh you know has 12,000 speech arrests a

155:24

year and some people arrested for what

155:26

seems like even holding up their own

155:27

country's flag at an opportune moment or

155:29

silently praying and uh you know we we

155:33

we need to liberate the British people.

155:36

I I mean it's it's it's unbelievable

155:39

that I mean they call it perfidious

155:43

albon right British statecraft has been

155:45

so pernicious to the American people in

155:49

the past decade it was I mean Russia

155:52

gate the the entire three-year special

155:55

prosecutor saga was because of a British

155:56

spy Christopher Steel and and a and an

156:01

Iran Contra veteran Stefan Halper uh

156:05

residing abroad at Cambridge to kick

156:07

that off. And then

156:10

the the British government conspired

156:13

with the Biden administration to create

156:16

uh to to conjoin the US UK censorship

156:20

industrial complex. uh America First

156:23

Legal, Steven Miller and Gene Hamilton's

156:26

um non nonprofit law firm they started

156:29

obtained these incredible documents uh

156:32

that showed a a planning meeting between

156:35

the British government and the Biden

156:36

administration

156:38

uh attended by the CIA, the National

156:41

Security Council, USAD hosted at the

156:44

White House and it was the British the

156:46

UK digital commission. uh they brought a

156:49

huge slide deck of all the ways that

156:51

their new censorship law, what's today

156:53

called the online service online safety

156:55

act, the OSA, um would effectively help

156:59

throttle misinformation in the United

157:01

States. Like basically it was like uh

157:05

you scratch your back, our back, we'll

157:07

scratch yours. And it was this, you

157:10

know, US Democrat party, UK Labor Party

157:13

alliance. Meanwhile, the Biden

157:14

government was paying British sensors.

157:18

They the global disinformation index,

157:20

which you know killed like the ad, you

157:24

know, revenue for like they went after

157:26

Daily Wire, Federalist, a million

157:28

conservative news sites and social media

157:30

accounts. You went after the social

157:32

media platforms in the United States.

157:33

They're British black ops by their own

157:36

language. the well CCDH who was but but

157:40

they were funded by our government to

157:43

censor our voices but laundered out to

157:45

the UK and I think we need to

157:47

fundamentally uh restructure that

157:50

special relationship. We've had that

157:51

relationship for a long time totally

157:53

unquestioned. Uh I

157:58

we can't farm that out. we and if if

158:01

that's not if that's not addressed and

158:03

we don't fix that relationship, uh I

158:07

think you can't really fix our own

158:09

system unless we, you know, um cut out

158:14

some of the poison that we inject from

158:16

the outside.

158:18

>> Well, Mike, we gave people a lot to go

158:20

over, almost too much, but you uh if

158:23

anybody wants more, uh your ex account

158:26

is amazing. Uh you're you're tireless. I

158:29

don't know how you do it, but uh thank

158:31

you for doing it. I I really appreciate

158:33

you and I appreciate you coming on here.

158:34

>> Oh, thanks so much for having me. I

158:37

Nothing but fun from here. I mean, look,

158:39

it's fun. I mean, guys, the world is

158:42

opening up and we are seeing behind a

158:45

looking glass where there has been a

158:46

veil of secrecy for 60 years about some

158:49

of these things, for 10 years about some

158:51

of these things. So, don't get too

158:53

blackpilled. This is

158:55

something has happened that has never

158:57

happened before and you are alive to

158:59

experience it. So, you know, try to

159:02

enjoy the ride. All right. Thanks. Bye

159:04

everybody.

Interactive Summary

The video discusses the release of previously unpublicized government files, focusing on the Jeffrey Epstein case and its connections to various government agencies and international dealings. The speaker highlights how these documents reveal complex networks of intelligence operations, financial dealings, and political influence, tracing back decades. Key themes include the CIA's historical involvement in covert operations, money laundering through offshore banks, and the intricate relationship between government intelligence, private business, and organized crime. The discussion also touches upon the JFK files release, the Iran-Contra affair, and how these historical events connect to current issues like disinformation campaigns and the weaponization of climate policy. The speaker emphasizes the importance of transparency and urges for further investigation into these interconnected systems, suggesting that understanding these historical patterns is crucial for comprehending contemporary geopolitical and financial structures.

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