There's some really important health

tools that are not being discussed, but

this is how we should be looking at

health. So, the first thing is Dr. Mindy

Pelz, the renowned health expert is

back. And she's on a mission to empower

people to take control of their health

through fasting, nutrition, and

lifestyle changes. We are in a crisis of

health, and your health right now may

not be your fault, but it is your

responsibility. So, I have questions.

What is the lie about the food

environment?

lie is that all food is safe. There are

foods that are medicine, and there are

foods that will build disease. How do we

know the difference? Learn to read an

ingredient label. So, the first thing I

do is I

Interesting.

All the foods that are cancer feeding.

Yep. So, there's processed meats.

Sugar's a biggie. The toxic oils in

donuts, juice boxes, horrific. How

important is our liver in all of this?

The most important. Is there any

symptoms of an unhealthy liver? Yes.

They call them checklist. First, you can

look at the bottom of your feet. Do you

want to put it up on the table? No, cuz

people will sell pictures.

How many times a day do you think we

should be eating? Great question. And

studies show us that the longer you

spend not eating, the more your body

heals itself and starts to burn belly

fat. But a Zempic has a tool for

achieving the same outcome. But one of

the biggest consequences we've seen is

This is why I'm such a fasting fan. So,

what are some of the lesser known

benefits of fasting? There's a whole

bunch of them. But I'm going to say the

biggest biggest thing is

We've just hit 6 million subscribers on

The Diary of a CEO. Um so, me and my

team would like to do something we've

never done before as a little thank you.

And we're calling it The Diary of a CEO

subscriber raffle, and here is how it

works. Every episode this month, we're

going to pick three current subscribers

at random, and we'll send one of you a

1,000 lb voucher, one of you tickets to

come and watch The Diary of a CEO behind

the scenes live with our team, and one

of you will have a 10-minute phone call

with me to discuss whatever you want to

talk about. If you're a subscriber,

you're in the raffle.

Thank you from the bottom of my heart

for allowing me to do something that me

and my team love doing so much. It is

the greatest honor of my lifetime, and I

hope it I hope it continues

off into the future. Let's get to the

episode.

Dr. Mindy.

Last time we sat here,

the conversation we had reached more

than

10 million people across YouTube and

Spotify and iPlayer and airlines and

everywhere.

And I was looking through some of the

feedback from that conversation, and

there's two of these top comments that I

pulled out, which I think kind of

capture the impact it had on so many

people. The first comment is from a lady

called Anne, and she said, "Dr. Mindy

changed my life. I started intermittent

fasting 6 months ago after I watched

this podcast, and I've dropped 18 lb and

have never felt or looked better."

The second comment I pulled out was from

a 57-year-old

lady who said, "Going through menopause,

morbidly obese, going through a lot of

stress in my personal life, and fasting

because of Dr. Mindy has finally saved

me. I've been doing a 36- to 48-hour

test every week to fast, and it has

really bolstered my confidence, and I

can now do really hard things.

Thank you."

There's so much on that

There so much on that one.

That second one, I mean, that's

that

is empowerment.

Those two got empowered, but that last

woman got really empowered. She did that

for herself, and she knows it.

As she can do hard things, she's

absolutely right.

It has really bolstered my confidence,

and I can now do hard things.

It's not typically what you think of

when you think of fasting, that it gives

you confidence and the ability to

um do hard things in other areas of your

life. Yeah.

Yeah, and you know, there I I've heard

you interview guests like this, and I've

heard many people talk about how easy

we've made life right now. You know, you

can sit on your couch, and you can you

don't even have to get off the couch,

and food will appear at your door, and

you can control your TV your TV, and you

can call a friend, and there's so much

you can do without even moving. Life has

gotten so easy that we are losing that

ability to really learn how powerful we

are. And for women it with health, it

it's gotten even worse. So, what I love

about that comment

is that she took the information, she

applied it, she got a result. It kind

words to me, but she deserves all the

credit. And she feels different, not

just physically, but emotionally, and

and what she's capable of. Like those

are the comments that just blow me away

because only you

can close your mouth and not eat.

And I guess it tells you something about

yourself when you're able to do that,

which is I guess resisting some kind of

temptation, which is you know, you're

building evidence with yourself that I

am the type of person that has control

and autonomy over my destiny.

And it's remarkable how much that must

impact your professional life, your

relationships, your all these kind of

things, your ability to put other

boundaries in place in your life.

Yeah. Um and it all starts with this

simple discipline, which is, you know,

fasting. Yeah. Were you Were you

surprised at the

impact that this book Fast Like a Girl

had globally?

It It has blown me away. Um I knew when

I wrote the book that I had a formula

that worked because I had spent 10 years

in my practice using it with women. I'd

seen the kind of results like you just

read over and over again.

Then I took those results, and I took

them to my YouTube channel, and I

started teaching it on YouTube, and I

and I I don't know if every YouTube

creator does this, but I would always

ask questions, and I would say to

people, "Give me answers as to how this

is working for you." And then I had a

team of people that went in and gathered

those answers, we looked at patterns,

and that's how the information of Fast

Like a Girl was born is it was not just

an idea, it wasn't just science, but it

was when I wrote it, it was like,

"Oh, we already seen this across

hundreds of thousands of women that it's

going to work."

But you never really know until you put

a book like that out into the world how

it's all going to unfold and how it's

going to be received.

In In a year and a half worldwide,

717,000

copies of that book of on all styles,

that's audio audible and ebook and

hardcover.

Uh

the amount of reviews, positive reviews,

the amount of DMs we've had, I had to

double my staff to be able to answer the

DMs. Like

I I I have actually picked the book up

more than 10 times and asked myself,

"What did I put in there? Like why is

this connecting so much?"

Cuz there's something where women just

were finally given a tool that worked,

and it didn't cost money, and it didn't

take time, and it didn't give her power

away, and she saw that. And and that

that part blew me away.

Is that Is that why it connects because

it's not expensive, complicated, it's

not

um something you need a prescription

for? Yeah.

Yeah, well, think about it. You go in to

your doctor's office, you have a long

list of symptoms.

You give those symptoms over to your doc

doctor.

He or she gives you

an official title of that symptom.

You're like, "Oh, finally somebody

understands it." And so, you go and

maybe you take the diagnosis, the

prescription, or the treatment. You go

fulfill the treatment. Let's say the

drug works.

You're like, "The doctor was amazing,

the drug was amazing." There's no

empowerment in that at all.

Now, if the pill doesn't work,

then what ends up happening is you go

back to the doctor, and you're like,

"Hey, pill didn't work."

And the doctor says, "Okay, well, let's

try a different pill." And then you try

a different pill. And you do that like

three or four times, and if it still

doesn't work, then what happens is now

you go to a different doctor. You're

like, "I got to go to a different

doctor, this one's not working." And we

keep outsourcing our power, looking for

answers. Somebody show me, somebody show

me.

But with fasting, what happened is we

showed this idea of metabolic switching,

where there's a time to eat and there's

a time not to eat. And the longer you

spend not eating, the more your body

heals itself. And that concept, I think

women had never really had had grabbed

before. And it was a a tool that was so

available. They could listen to your to

the podcast we did and apply it like an

hour later.

And all of a sudden, again, the only

person to give credit to is yourself.

And so, I don't I mean, maybe exercise?

Exercise would be that tool. What other

tools do we have

that make you feel that powerful that

quickly? What if someone has never come

across the concept of fasting before,

which I I think is probably quite um

implausible now, but can you give me the

sort of ever the sort of like

evolutionary basis for fasting? Why does

Why does it happen? Why were we told a

lie? Like why did we take a wrong turn

in the last thousand years, which made

us, I don't know, just become really

gluttonous and have five meals a day and

Yeah.

Well, let's start with how what fasting

is, and then I'll dive into the lie the

lie. I have a lot of thoughts on the

lie.

Um if we go back to hunter-gatherer

days, you know, we one thing that blows

me away is that the human body we're

living in is literally the same. It's

the same as the hunter-gatherers, but

what we're sitting in, what we're

exposed to, the physical, emotional,

chemical stressors that are handed to us

every single day is completely like

opposite what the hunter and gatherers

were doing.

So, if I go back to the hunter and

gatherers, they came out of the cave.

They didn't have DoorDash, they didn't

have a refrigerator, they didn't know

how to get food, they had to go find

food.

Now, if blood sugar is going down

and they've got to go find food and they

pass out, you know, 100 yards from the

from the cave, then we wouldn't be

sitting here right now.

But, that didn't happen. What happened

is they went out to go hunt and the

longer they were away trying to find

food, the more they metabolically

switched into this other fuel source

called the ketogenic energy system. I

like to call it the fat burning system

because what their body did were like a

hybrid car. The body was like, "Okay,

blood sugar's going down. Okay, time to

switch over to our other fuel source.

We're going to pop in and start burning

fat and make a ketone." And then that

ketone went up into their brain,

sharpened their focus, and made them

even stronger to go find food. Mhm.

Today, we don't do that. We don't ever

lean into this other system that our

hunter and gatherer ancestors had to

lean into. We don't have There's so much

oversaturation of food and ideas and

stimulation coming at us that we never

had to They're like biological processes

in our bodies that we're not even

accessing anymore. But, they exist. I I

think you and I talked about this last

time. Uh in the book, I talk about

something called the thrifty gene

hypothesis.

Now, it's a hypothesis.

And the idea was the humans that came

out of that hunter-gatherer time had a

gene

that allowed them to switch over into

the fat burning system and make a ketone

in the absence of food.

And so, all the people that survived

that time period,

they morphed into what we're looking at

as each other right now because the ones

that didn't have that genetic profile

didn't live.

So, they they are no longer with us.

So, now we're sitting with this thrifty

gene inside of us eating all day.

And what they believe is happening is

that because we're not accessing that

gene, that the people that are suffering

now is on the opposite or the ones that

are not tapping in to the fat burning

system. The ones that are not accessing

that are actually killing themselves

because they're not in alignment with

their own biology.

I kind of have a lot of empathy for them

in some respects because of, you know,

it's it's difficult, isn't it, when

we're surrounded by this much free,

cheap glucose sugar.

You know, call to fight back against the

environment you live in. It's kind of

what we're asking people to do. It's

like fight their natural urges.

Presumably, the brain is also has a gene

which says, "Listen, if you see sugar,

you better grab it and put it in your

mouth."

Yep. And there's some microbes doing

that, too. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah, there

there can be fungus in your gut that

tells your taste buds, "Hey, I need more

sugar because they got to stay alive."

Our our taste buds have been completely

hijacked by all the chemicals poured

onto our food. So, we don't We get so

much dopamine now from food that

sometimes all we have to do is walk into

a grocery store and look at our favorite

food and see it in the aisle. We haven't

even picked it up, put it in the basket.

We're like, "Ooh, that potato chip. I

love that potato chip." And that's

creating a dopamine response in our

brain because our brain our our brain

knows, "When I eat that, I get

dopamine."

And what is the lie, then? We talked

about the lie that's been told to people

about the food environment, about five

meals a day, etc. What is that line and

why were we told the lie? The biggest

lie is that

all food is safe.

Not all food is safe.

A And a part of that lie is I can walk

into my grocery store and it's already

been vetted for my health.

Now, I can tell you in the America,

that's not the case.

We have a category of food called GRAS,

generally recognized as safe in our

country.

And basically, what the FDA can do is

the F FDA can put chemicals under this

category when it hasn't been

scientifically proven to be safe.

They can re-package them and put them in

this category of generally recognized as

safe. The idea is that we have a

innocent until proven guilty philosophy

around food.

And it's even gone even even further

where

within their own in administration in

the FDA, people are saying that the F is

silent.

They don't care about the food. And

then, if you go even further

and you think about it, how do we have

food and drug together in the same

administration? If we really cared about

food, we would actually pull it out

separate and we would have a bigger,

better analysis of food. So, the lie

is that all food is safe.

That's not true at all. All There are

foods that will are medicine

and there are foods that will build

disease.

And just because we call them both food,

doesn't mean they're safe. You have to

know the difference.

How do we know the difference?

Well, the first thing is learn to read

an ingredient label.

So, which then Do you know how to read

an ingredient label? I would say no.

So, the first thing I do on every

anything that's packaged is I go

straight to the ingredients.

And it This is so easy. All you've got

to do is look at those ingredients and

ask yourself, "Do I recognize Do I know

every single one of those ingredients?"

And if you don't, entertain yourself and

go look them up.

I I actually did this with my nephew

years ago. He brought me some frozen

waffles and he's like, "Hey, are they

What do you think? Are these safe?"

And I said, "You Read them out loud to

me."

And he started to read them out loud. He

was like 14 years old at the time. He

started to read and he couldn't get

through like the third ingredient in was

a chemical.

And he's like, "I don't know how to

pronounce this." I said, "Go look it up.

I want you to Google it and look it up

and tell me what it is."

And he came back and he's like, "Wait a

second. What I just found is that's a

cancer-causing chemical."

I said, "Yeah.

You're right. It is. That's what the

That's what's happening."

Is that these chemicals are allowed in

our food that promote disease.

And so then, once you have that idea and

you know the ingredients are the most

important and you follow, is it a

chemical? Is it a real food? Then the

next thing you can do is really stay

away from anything with an ingredient

label.

Like, when you go into a grocery store,

walk around the outside. Don't go into

those middle aisles. Go to the

refrigerated

sections. Go to the fresh food. If it

doesn't have a label, it's it's it means

it's it's authentic self.

So,

that it didn't They didn't denature it.

They didn't change it. It came from the

earth or it came from an animal,

whatever your ethos is around there, but

it it wasn't input into an altered state

because what they do is they put these

things into altered states so that they

taste better and they hijack your taste

buds so you'll come back for more. Or

they put it into an altered state so

that it can last longer on the shelf.

And if it lasts longer on the shelf,

that chemical's lasting longer in you.

The lie around frequency of eating.

Because, you know, when I grew up, I I

mean, breakfast, lunch, you might have

something at a couple of snacks, and

then have dinner. And then you wake up

the next day and go through the same

routine of just basically eating every

waking hour of the day if you can and

snacking in between.

Who told us this line and is it a lie?

Because it kind of seems to be the

antithesis of fasting.

Yep. Well, from what I can find, and I'm

sure there's lots of ways we've

perpetuated this lie,

but breakfast is the most important meal

of the day was a ad slogan for Kellogg's

Corn Flakes back in the '70s.

So, back in 1970,

they had a hot new cereal

and the ad was, "Eat it. Breakfast is

the most important meal of the day."

Here we are in 2024

and people are still perpetuating that

ad slogan.

So, I've actually looked into the

research on like, if I eat more, will it

speed up my metabolism?

Uh from what I can tell from the

research, I can't find that. Now, it

Let's say we just leave the research out

of it.

I I would like to meet a human

that has eaten six meals a day and found

that that was a metabolism stimulator.

Like, I don't know very many people that

say that.

So, it it's like a cultural lie that

just got sort of passed down.

And what happened when the fasting

research came out? Now, you know, people

like Walter Longo, people like Sachin

Panda, like big fasting researchers,

what they figured out was, "Oh, wait. If

we compress our eating into a certain

time period like our ancestors did and

we left longer for fasting, there's

something magical going on here."

And those were the giants that started

to show us that actually time-restricted

eating is the most important thing that

we can be doing when it comes to food.

What about calorie-restricted eating?

And how does Is that the same thing?

N- No. And thank you for asking that.

So, let's let's let's talk about both of

them in an everyday kind of scenario.

So, in time restriction, you are saying,

"I have a certain time in my 24 hours

where I eat. I compress my eating

window, and then I have a time where I'm

fasting. So, I have an eating window,

and I have a fasting window.

Okay, and I get to decide how long how

compressed that eating window is, and

how long that fasting window is.

The longer you go in the fasting window,

what you're doing is you're turning on

these different healing mechanisms. And

and that is independent of calories

coming in or not coming in. That is

dependent on nutrients not coming in.

That is dependent on glucose going down

and switching over to burning fat so you

make a ketone. That has nothing to do

with calories.

When you come over to calorie

restriction, you're saying I'm going to

have X amount of calories a day. I'm

going to output X amount of calories,

and I'm going to do that all day long.

So, very different philosophies.

To me, like you're you're creating a

internal mechanism

with time restriction that is going to

stimulate a healing process. And it's

nutrient deficiency along with glucose

drop.

It doesn't have to do with calories.

As it relates to fasting, since we had

the conversation, something really

massive happened in culture, which was

this word Ozempic

became

really popular. And the drug Ozempic

became really popular. And there's

various types of it, Wegovy or something

else. There's lots of different versions

of it, but

fasting as a tool

is now quite established, but Ozempic as

a tool for achieving the same outcomes,

what's your thoughts on that? Yeah, so

now first I'm just going to say I'm not

an Ozempic expert, so I can't tell you

the mechanisms behind that. What I will

tell you is that I again, I'm a

supporter of the everyday person. And

the first challenge we have with Ozempic

is the cost.

So, is everybody going to be able to

afford that to be able to improve their

metabolic health? I I I'm I'm a

supporter of the single mom who's

working two jobs and is trying to just

put food on the table, and sh- Ozempic

at $800,000

US dollars, she's not going there. A

month, isn't it? Is it a month? Okay.

So, the first thing is it's unattainable

for so many people. Second thing is that

we've got a challenge with some of the

side effects. Now, there's been a lot of

debate about that, and like, you know,

the nausea and all that. Like, what is

that? Um and some people have it, some

people don't. So, you have to personally

decide if that works for you or not.

The third issue is that and this is a

really interesting recent stat is that

within 2 years, people 70% of Ozempic

users are off Ozempic.

I don't know if it's cost, I don't know

if it's discomfort, I don't know what it

is, but long-term, that's not a

phenomenal solution.

So, with that in mind, let's unpack what

the what's happening from a

symptomatology point of view with

Ozempic. And the biggest thing is you

are not hungry.

Okay?

So, I can tell you

thousands and thousands and thousands of

comments. Those two women you started

this podcast off with, when people learn

how to do a a fasting lifestyle, their

hunger goes away.

It it is very I've never taken Ozempic,

so I can't tell you like per se that if

it would be the same experience,

but when you learn to metabolically

switch, your hunger goes down. Because

without food, you go into this ketogenic

energy system, you get a ketone, it

turns off hunger.

So, the biggest the biggest

one of the biggest consequences we've

seen in the millions of people we've

seen build these fasting lifestyles is

they go I just I'm not hungry anymore.

I can relate. Yeah.

When I did a I did a ke-

ketogenic diet for a while,

my hunger levels seemed to drop as well.

Is that a similar thing? Yeah, so cuz

your blood sugar is stable. Okay, so

you're not getting the spikes and drops

and spikes and drops. Okay, that makes

sense. Um and is that much of the reason

why you end up losing weight? Because

you just end up eating a little bit less

as well as you're, you know, you're

staying away from glucose and stuff, but

Yeah, it's two. It's that, and then in

order to make a ketone, you have to burn

fat. Like, think about it. Let's put it

in Ozempic terms. It would be like going

to the pharmacy,

and in order to pay your Ozempic bill,

you had to give them a little piece of

fat.

And then of your fat.

And then you get them home with the

shot, you plug it in, and now you're not

hungry. Okay, that's what fasting's

doing. Is fasting is using your own fat

to make this byproduct called a ketone,

so you're losing weight in the process

of making the ketone, and then the

ketone goes up into the brain, and

actually shuts off the hunger hormone,

and now you're not hungry.

Can't you see a world? Cuz I think with

again, this is my very limited knowledge

of medicine and the bio biotech

pharmaceutical industry, I think what

happens with patents, like medical

patents, is eventually they expire. I

think they expire after about 10 years

or something like that. So, eventually

the Ozempic patent is going to expire,

which means that other people can

produce that drug.

Um I think the cost will eventually

therefore go down, especially as other

people start producing other iterations

of the drug. There becomes this price

war, um and you'll have all these

different versions of Ozempic, but at

lower cost. Can you foresee, cuz I think

I can, a world where most people in the

Western world are taking some form of

Ozempic to suppress hunger,

and it's it's casual?

I don't I don't know if I want to see

that. I I mean, the first thing I'd like

to see is some long-term studies on

this. I'd like to see Let's let's give

this a little bit of time to see what

how it unfolds in the culture and how

people react to it. And then we have to

ask how are are we studying this on

women? I'm going to I'm going to be the

first advocate for making sure that this

gets researched on women. So, if we look

at that world, I would say, okay, I'd

only be willing to entertain that

thought if we have some real clear data

showing us long-term,

20, 30, 40 years that it's going to be

safe.

Second thing though that I want to say

on that, and this I go back to what you

started this with.

Do you feel empowered? I mean, I know

people are happy. They're like, "Oh my

god, I finally lose weight." They feel

really good in their body. Like, I don't

want to dismiss that, and I'm not here

to take that joy or excitement away from

somebody who's losing weight with

Ozempic. I think a fasting lifestyle is

a a phenomenal pair to Ozempic if that's

you.

But what I hear when people lose that

amount of weight,

let's is that when you look at them,

you're like, "Oh my god, you lost so

much weight." They're like, "Yeah, I'm

on Ozempic." The ones that are like, I'm

going to own it.

Okay, so Ozempic got the power. When I

see somebody who lost weight from a

fasting lifestyle,

what they say is, "Yeah, I started to

learn how to fast." And there is an

internal power that I did this for

myself.

So, again, we we rob them of that

internal experience if every cure,

including weight loss, is going to be

found in a pill,

how are we going to believe in our own

bodies?

Do you know the most interesting take

I've heard on why Ozempic might be a

really

negative thing for society is actually

the point you just made about

discipline.

And about you know, we talked at the

start of this conversation about the

comfort crisis and how everything's

getting easier. We can date and eat and

whatever else from the comfort of our

own home. And now with AI coming into

the world where we're going to have AI

agents where we can tell our devices to

go do things for us. If you play it

forward a couple of years, you're

looking at a world where we really don't

have to do anything. Like, we don't have

to move. We've really optimized

discomfort, difficulty, challenge out of

our lives. And now Ozempic offers

another solution in that regard. I know

I know that it saves lives, and I think

that's a really amazing thing. And if I

was in such situation, I would take it.

If my friends, family, children were, I

would I'd be the first to

um make sure that they were taking it to

save their lives, but

you know, if we look back through

history, we've trade we've made this

trade-off and regretted it repeatedly.

We've kind of chosen comfort and um

convenience at the expense of something

else, which we only find out 10 or 20

years later where we go, "Oh my god,

Jesus, maybe having these devices or

being able to order food like this or

whatever else um was a bad idea." But we

won't find out for 20, 30 years. And

it's it's really interesting also to see

this almost counter movement in culture

where people are now this sort of um

counter movement of people that are

choosing difficulty. The ice bath,

Right. the the hydromarathon where

they're running across You know what I

mean? And that feels like the counter

movement to this sort of comfort crisis.

Um but Ozempic I actually categorize as

part of the comfort crisis. Because of

the comment you I read at the start from

the lady who said, "It boosted my

confidence, and I can now do hard

things."

Yeah, and and do people say that with

Ozempic? I mean, it's a really

interesting point, and

you know, my general ethos on health is

that we should be looking within and

what we're capable of doing to heal.

I am not a fan of outsourcing our

health. And this can even go down to the

idea of of ketones.

There's a lot of exogenous ketones out

there, and people ask me all the time,

"Should I take exogenous ketones?" And

my feeling is let's get you learning how

to metabolically switch so you can make

your own ketone first. And and if we

have to go into an exogenous ketone, we

will. But the I don't That's another

outsource. Like, we just keep

outsourcing it, outsourcing it,

outsourcing until we do not feel

powerful in our own bodies. And a 20, 30

years of that is going to be a serious

human crisis. I think it's I think the

principle that if we don't do anything

uncomfortable today, we kind of just

dis- defer

the

discomfort into the future is a really

wonderful principle to live by.

You know what I mean? Like

Are you And I'm not saying that in the

future you're going to necessarily have

a health a physical health issue or

metabolic health issue if you're

choosing comfort in terms of your

metabolic choices today. But you might

have a relationship issue because you

didn't learn

you know, the to deal with discomfort,

have uncomfortable conversations. You

know, so it's interesting. It's just

these principles for life and one of

them also is that I just think a really

wonderful principle that I live by is

that everything has a cost.

And whenever someone presents you with

the idea that there's a miracle drug or

a miracle cure, it's because we haven't

figured out the cost yet.

And the uncertainty of not knowing the

cost for me is terrifying. I'd rather

someone said, "Listen, this isn't this

drug isn't perfect and it has all these

issues with it and you're going to

suffer in this way, but is the trade-off

worth it for you?" than to present it as

a a miracle drug. And I kind of think

Ozempic right now is viewed as a bit of

a miracle drug.

Yeah. Which scares the hell out of me.

Right. Yeah. And again, what we need we

need more time with the long-term

studies. And I I you know, I I think

what's confusing about Ozempic is it

does have some amazing upsides.

And so we can't just totally villainize

it. It's like, "Oh, there's some

interesting things to learn here." And

people who are in a massive metabolic

crisis, it can be a lifeline to get them

out. But again, a line that I will

continue to hold is lifestyle,

lifestyle, lifestyle. There is no free

pass when it comes to your health. You

have I mean, we can hack in from many

different directions. We have some

pretty fast paths to health like, you

know, learning how to metabolically

switch. But in the end, there you are

going to have to make health your

responsibility and you're going to have

to work for it, especially as you age.

And diet is a

is um is one of those things that the

consequences of a bad diet, making bad

dietary choices is kind of invisible

today. You might not feel great or you

might get a little bit of a stomachache

or whatever or feel a bit bloated, but

it's almost like sewing seeds for your

100-year-old self that, you know, you

you don't yet see the consequence of.

And this is why I think diet has to

become a bit of a religion to some

degree.

You don't see the internal damage. You

don't see the shifting of your gut

microbiome on a on a daily basis.

Oh, you know, I used to say this all the

time to my patients. I would say,

"Everything you're doing with your

lifestyle now is preventing you from

diseases you never knew you were going

to get."

Cuz you'll never get them. Mhm. So you

didn't even know that the 5:00 a.m.

workout that you chose to get up and go

do

is going to actually save you from

Alzheimer's 20 years from now. You have

no idea the fasting lifestyle that you

committed to is actually going to save

you from some kind of hormonal cancer.

Like the list it goes on and on because

you're doing it today

to prevent tomorrow. You don't you And

so there's no like reward on that front

because prevention doesn't come with

like a ribbon.

You used the ketones.

And you used it in the context of

fasting. Does that mean that you were an

advocate of the ketogenic diet because

the the word is the same?

Yeah, thank you for asking this cuz this

gets confusing a lot.

Um I'm an advocate of pulsing in

ketones. And my way of encouraging

people to do that is through fasting.

Why not the ketogenic diet? So the

ketogenic diet has some upsides just

like Ozempic has some upsides and it has

some downsides. So

moving processed carbs out of your diet

is always a good idea.

Bringing your carb level down so your

blood sugar comes down, always a good

idea.

But when the ketogenic diet came out,

what ended up happening is people were

just eating meat or eating, you know,

fat and they were eat weren't eating any

fruits and vegetables. Okay, for women

fruits and vegetables are really

important. You got to have that fiber to

feed a set of bacteria in your gut that

break estrogen down.

So I that's why when I talk about keto,

I always say it's ketobiotic cuz I

brought the carb level back up. I was

like, "Yes, stay off of processed carbs.

But if you want to ketone

you're going to get that ketone by

attaching a fasting window to every

single day and learning to metabolically

switch. So you get over here and you

make a ketone from fasting, not from

manipulating your food over and over and

over again, which has a long-term

challenge. How long do I have to fast

for in order to metabolically switch?

Yeah, so 8 hours is usually what they

say where the the system starts to move

from sugar burner to fat burner.

It usually takes about 4 hours to get

over there. So we always say 12

additional hours. Okay. So well, yeah,

thank you for pointing that out. So 12

hours.

And now you're pretty much over into

this fasting window.

Your intelligent body, what it's doing

is it's saying it's been 12 hours.

Glucose hasn't gone up gone up and we

haven't had any nutrients.

Well, we're going to switch into our

other fuel source

and we're going to burn fat to make a

ketone.

So everybody's a little different

because some people don't switch as

easy.

Some people take a little longer to make

a ketone. I mean, we we saw some

incredible hurdles that people hit

trying to get into the fasted state that

were because what I call their metabolic

switch was sluggish. They had never

really practiced this before and so it

didn't when they were going 12 hours,

all of a sudden they weren't making a

ketone and they were just hungry.

And so what we started to do is teach

them things like, "Okay, let's This is

This is a large reason why the new book

is around is because I needed to create

a food manual to help them clean up

their food system so they could switch

over into the fasted system much

easier." If I'm drinking, you know,

coffee or water all these kinds of

things, is that going to interrupt the

process of metabolically switching? You

should be fine with water. Now, I have

definitely seen some really extreme

cases where people even have a blood

sugar spike from water, but very

extreme.

Uh coffee, most people will do okay with

coffee. Uh it's what you put in your

coffee that's a problem. If it's just

black coffee? Black coffee should be

fine. Okay.

Now, make sure it's chemical-free. Don't

don't, you know, make sure it's organic.

Like there's a like make it make it

clean.

So those two are pretty are pretty good.

Um teas can be fine to drink in the

fasting window.

Um What are the common mistakes people

make when they're intermittent fasting?

That or, you know, the common myths

around the process that someone who

thinks they know intermittent fasting

could well be making. So if we stay in

the fasting window idea, um I'll tell

you a couple of that I've seen like

people drinking diet diet a diet drink

that has chemicals in it.

And so and or or a or or a synthetic

sweetener that actually stimulates

hunger. So

you know, some of the diet drinks that

are out there, there's a whole bunch of

them. So people think I can just drink

If we go with the mistake, people just

think I can drink whatever I want then.

It's just not eating. I've even had

questions of, "Can I Can I do fruit

juice?"

I'm like, "No, it's not not eating.

You're trying to get your blood sugar

down so you switch over into this

ketogenic energy system."

So I would say the fasting window,

people can trip over themselves a little

bit. Then I would say, you know, of

course women specifically fasting all

the time. That's why I did Fast Like a

Girl was women needed to know how to

fast to their cycles.

Uh the other mistake that uh people make

is they think, "Well, they don't have to

clean up their food."

And that's your that's your, you know,

that's your prerogative. But if you

clean up food, your food system, you're

going to make fasting a lot easier.

So I think those are some of some of the

biggies. I would say other ones that

might be helpful

for people listening and I'm thinking

about the conversation with your

girlfriend is thinking that there's a

one-size-fits-all for like to skip

dinner.

Other people like to skip breakfast. I

have plenty of people in our community

that do lunch-to-lunch fasting.

You get to decide where your eating

window goes.

It's not a There's And you know, there's

a lot of theories like I'm a big fan of

eat in the light, don't eat in the dark.

When you eat in the dark, melatonin's in

and melatonin makes you more insulin

resistant. So eat in the light and just

make that your fasting window. Look at

the what the light patterns are. So

there's some really good evidence there,

but it's all customizable to you and

your lifestyle. Oh, I have I have

patients and friends who are like,

"Sitting down at the table for dinner

with my family is the most important

moment of my day."

And that happens at 8:00 at night.

And so I'm like, "Great. Eat then. Enjoy

that experience and build that Maybe

your fasting window is 2:00 to 9:00 or

10:00."

You must have so many people that listen

to your work, read your books, and then

they still can't do it.

They still can't fast.

They still get beaten by the hunger

craving that comes at 11:00 p.m.

and then the the next day at 8:00 a.m.

It just wins. It just keeps winning. And

they're listening to you over and over

again, but the hunger cravings, the

sugar cravings just keep winning and

they just keep failing at this idea of

fasting.

You know, I it's funny because maybe I

just don't see it as much. I mean, we've

get hundreds of thousands of comments

across our socials, you know, every

week. And I try to I try to keep a pulse

on them.

Um

but so I may not see all the maybe the

people who can't fast, maybe they don't

leave comments even. So, um but there

was a really interesting study called

the every other day diet. And the other

every other day diet, this is years ago,

was a researcher who took a group of

people who were in a metabolic crisis.

And like their cholesterol was high,

their hemoglobin A1C was high, their

liver enzymes were off, blood pressure,

I mean everything was bad. And they were

eating the Western Standard Diet. And

she said, "You can eat whatever you

want,

but you're going to do it every other

day."

So, one day eat go to town, one day

you're not eating at all, you're fasting

all day. And then the next day go to

town, eat whatever you want, and then

you're fasting. And you're going to do

this for a year.

And so they ended up doing it for a

year. Now, I want to point out there was

like a third of the people that dropped

out. Of course. So, we have to like

point that out. Um but everybody that

stayed in it, at the end of the year all

their metabolic markers improved, they

lost weight, but the thing that shocked

the researchers the most is that their

taste buds changed. What they craved

changed. So, when they hung in there and

they did it over a period of time, all

of the sudden they went from

you know, craving a hamburger and fries

to create

you know, craving a salad with some

protein on it. And that was very

unconscious.

And I've thought a lot about that study

and like why did that happen? And I

believe it happened because of the

microbiome changes. Our taste buds are

not always a brain decision. Sometimes

they're micro decision. And if I have a

set of bad bacteria because I've been

feeding bad bacteria, you know, these

toxic foods, then yeah, I'm going to

keep craving it and yeah, this gets

difficult. But if I stick with it long

enough, if I keep fasting and trying it

and experimenting with it, and I and I

make enough progress that I can change

my microbiome, then there's a door in

because now my food cravings can start

to change. How does the how does fasting

change your gut microbiome in that

situation? This is a great question. So,

uh

biggest criticism, one of the biggest

criticisms of fasting is it destroys

your gut. So, I want to unpack this one.

So, here's the here's what the science

is showing. When you are in a fasted

state, the longer you're there, the most

famous study was out of MIT, 24-hour

fast, you start to get these stem cells

into the gut that repaired the gut. But

when you're in a fasted state, these bad

bacteria get starved out.

And when they get starved out,

there's an opportunity.

Now, here's what I want to want to say

because the criticism is that fasting

destroys your gut microbes.

So, first, yes, it destroys the the ones

you no longer want.

Now, second thing is that first meal

matters. That first door into your food

matters. And if you bring in probiotic,

prebiotic, polyphenol foods, uh my

favorite thing to break a fast with for

years was an avocado with sauerkraut and

hemp seeds on top of it. If you bring

all of that in, now you're actually

feeding those good bacteria,

and they're you're helping them grow.

But

do the good bacteria die as well when I

starve them? Some of them can, for sure.

It there can be a overall depletion, for

sure. So, what you're saying is you're

like killing a lot of bacteria in the

the gut potentially, but then you're

feeding the good ones.

That's right. Okay.

That's right. So, we can't this is again

why Eat Like a Girl came about because

of these kind of questions. Was

what happened was that so many people

were just, you know, doing six meals a

day, calorie counting, trying to

manipulate their food, and then when

they discovered, "Wait a second,

I need to think about the timing of my

food, not necessarily the quality of you

know, what I'm eating." And they

switched over, all of the sudden they

started to drop weight. But the thing

you broke your fast with, the sauerkraut

etc., if I just started eating that,

wouldn't the bad bacteria die anyway?

But because you would so you would

change the balance, hopefully where good

bacteria would grow and bad bacteria

would be out outnumbered at that point.

Yeah. Yeah. I it's possible, yeah. I

think that's the slower way, I'm going

to be really honest. I guess the other

the counterpoint would be then that

it's hard to do that because I'd still

be getting the cravings from the bad

bacteria. I those bad bacteria would

still be sending me signals through my

gut microbiome to eat the hamburgers.

We see

microbiome change within weeks. Food

cravings change within weeks.

If you just stick with this, and then

you look at that first meal matters, and

you make sure you're getting those

sauerkraut, you're getting hemp seeds

was another one I put on my that avocado

all the time, great prebiotic.

So, if you make that first meal really

good quality, and you

feed those microbes,

then this is a this is a much faster

way. The every other day diet, I want to

say it was about 6 months

Okay. that they started to see food

changes happening. Cuz it wasn't until

the full year was completed

that they started to actually see the

food changes that happened.

anecdotally in my life, when I when I

changed my diet, so when I when I did

tried the keto diet for a while, and

when I've done other things, I lose the

cravings for for bad foods, for the sort

of like the hamburger or whatever, or

the cookie, fairly quickly. It usually

takes for me it usually takes about a

week. If I don't have the bad foods for

about a week, I lose my cravings for

them. And I've always wondered why that

is.

And if there's a way to get to that

point quicker.

Um

but it's it's fascinating cuz once I'm

in that in that stage where I've lost

those cravings, the next 3-4 months my

diet is impeccable.

But then something might happen, you

someone offers me a brownie or

something, I don't know, whatever. And

then I and then I'm back in that

struggle again of fighting the craving.

So, Yeah, and it it you know, so the the

microbes have a a piece of that. Um your

glucose system, insulin system has has a

piece of that, too.

Um do you know what your hemoglobin A1C

is? I don't. You should know that

number.

Really?

Bloody hell, I should check. That that

tells you what your metabolic system is

doing over 90 days.

So, you can see the patterns of glucose

and insulin.

And you want it to be around five.

Hemoglobin A1C.

Hemoglobin A1C.

What if it's what I want it to be around

five?

it to be around five. And what does that

mean? So, that tells you that you are

insulin sensitive, that your metabolic

system is actually working efficiently.

Meaning, you can eat even, you know, if

somebody's got a hemoglobin A1C around

five, they go eat a brownie, and we've

seen this on continuous glucose

monitors. Though people like this will

go eat a brownie, it'll spike up crazy

high, but then boom, within 60 to 90

minutes it returns back to normal.

Somebody with a hemoglobin A1C of 5.5,

5.7, 5.8, that same brownie, what will

happen because those cells aren't as

insulin sensitive, is that you'll get

this spike, and then 2-3 hours later it

takes that long for the glucose to come

down because that insulin system is not

working at its best. So, I personally

love that as a target, what is

hemoglobin A1C?

The other piece about hemoglobin A1C

that's really important for people to

understand is that the higher that

number is, there's a process called

glycation going on in the body, where

the red blood cells that deliver oxygen

to tissue are gummed up with the glu

extra glucose the body doesn't know how

to get into the cells.

So, now the red blood cell can't carry

oxygen, cuz that's its a big part of

what it does, to tissues to oxygenate

oxygenate those tissues.

So, close off on this point of fasting

then, what are some of the lesser known

benefits of fasting that people don't

typically think about? Cuz we think

about weight loss,

you know, I think that's tip that's

probably the number one

reason why people start fasting because

they want to burn belly fat.

Is that accurate? From what you've seen?

Yeah, well, I mean the research is

really interesting that 36 hours into a

fast the body goes and starts to burn

specifically belly fat. Um now, that

research was done on just so we're

clear, 36 hours followed by 12 hours of

eating and then 36 hours of of fasting

followed by 12 for 30 days, and they

started to see waist circumference go

down. I'm not telling people to fast

that way, but I think it is surprising

when you go into these longer fasts how

you can unstick weight.

But to answer your question, I'm going

to say the biggest biggest thing is

mental health.

Biggest like aha, mental clarity, um

happiness,

uh and and I believe that's because

ketones do several things. They can

start to when a ketone comes on

inflammation is coming down, hunger is

coming down, and it supercharges the

brain, so now there's this intense brain

clarity that's like kicking in because a

ketone let's go back to our

hunter-gatherers.

The ketone, when it shows up, you're

finding food. And you better go find

food immediately. So, your focus has to

completely sharpen so you can be the

best hunter possible.

So, now when we're doing that in a

day-to-day kind of bit life, that ketone

we don't we're not hunting, but we might

be working, we might be in an interview,

and so with that sharpened focus is so

amazing.

And then the other piece I really like

about the ketone is with it it brings

GABA.

And so GABA calms you. What's GABA? So,

GABA is a neurotransmitter,

and when ketones go up, GABA follows.

So again, let's go back to our hunter

and gatherer friends. When GABA when

ketones are up, I'm focused.

I have clarity. I'm hunting for food and

I better stay calm

because I need to go find food.

On on the point of um

women and fasting.

I think you said to me last time that

women shouldn't be fasting when they're

on their periods.

The week before their period.

before their period, okay. Yeah. So, in

the lead up to their period, they should

be

avoiding fasting. Why is that again?

Yeah. So, let's go through the the

hormones because I think this is one

this you asked me what has surprised me

on on the book coming out. I'll tell you

the other thing that surprised me. How

many women don't understand their

hormones?

Like you're controlled by it. Your

behaviors, your sleep, your interactions

with human and we don't have a system

that's teaching women hormones. This is

appalling.

So, when we look at the three sex

hormones,

when it comes through the lens of

fasting, estrogen, which comes in the

front half of a woman's cycle, does

really well with fasting because she

likes you to be insulin sensitive.

A great example of this is the growing

number of cases of polycystic ovarian

syndrome where we are seeing insulin

resistance leading to infertility

because of an imbalance in the estrogen

system and we're seeing an increase in

testosterone because of this insulin

system being off.

So, we need uh when estrogen comes in a

tool to help women to be insulin

sensitive.

Progesterone's her twin sister.

They look the same, we call them the

same, but she acts exactly opposite. She

wants glucose to be higher. She doesn't

do well with cortisol. Cortisol comes

in, she's she's she's gone away. I

always say when progesterone goes high,

cortisol is shy. And cortisol is this

like stress hormone?

Yeah.

So, in a woman's 30-day period,

you have moments where estrogen is

making her peak and you have moments

where progesterone is making her peak.

So, if she's on the keto diet, if she is

in calorie restriction, if she is

fasting all the time,

she's not honoring the rhythms of these

two hormones.

And that is a major problem.

So, we say don't fast the week before

your period because you need glucose to

be higher and you don't want cortisol to

be high. And just like exercise

increases cortisol, so does fasting. So,

what's going to happen if you if you if

you fast the week before your period,

what's the consequence? Yeah. So, what

we've typically seen is women lose their

cycles.

Okay. You need progesterone. So, so

let's go through let's put it through

the lens of a woman's brain. Around day

20, like progesterone's building,

building, building, building. She has to

peak.

And then the when she hits a peak, the

uterine lining sheds and you have a

period.

Okay, if you are fasting during that

time and you didn't bring your gluco-

glucose up high enough, she progesterone

may not peak and then you don't have

that shed of blood.

When you shed every single month that

menstrual blood that comes out, there

are four major chemicals in them.

There are phthalates, there are uh

parabens, there are forever chemicals,

and there are plastics. They can

actually measure that in a woman's

menstrual blood.

So, if she's not bleeding,

then she's not detoxing.

Cuz those four chemicals are toxic.

They're toxic. Yes.

What do you what do you say to those

peop- people um that are

don't have menstrual cycles and they're

you know, cuz

listen, I obviously I've never been

through that myself,

but um I have a partner who's been very

open. I think she did a post last week

on her Instagram describing the journey

that she went on to try and get her

menstrual cycle back and she

successfully has now. Amazing.

Um she's 31. She's the same age as me

now. And she had, you know, many years

where she had an inconsistent or

non-existent menstrual cycle. Um and I

got to observe firsthand how

frustrating, saddening, confusing that

is and how you feel like you're broken

in some way if you're not having a

menstrual cycle as a woman. So, what do

you what what can what do we offer those

women?

Well, for I I applaud your girlfriend

for doing that. I I first want to say

that. Like getting your cycle back not

only just for pregnancy, but for general

health is it's brilliant. Like so smart

to do that.

Um you know, I think a lot of women

think it's great they don't have a

menstrual cycle.

That's that's a little bit in the

culture right now.

Um so, for the to those women who feel

like this is a blessing they don't have

a cycle, I'd ask them to rethink that.

Um even if they don't want to have kids,

let's rethink it cuz your body needs to

shed every single month.

So, there's that. For the other women

that are struggling to get their

periods, the first thing that and I'd be

curious if your if your girlfriend

discovered this is that we have to

realize that a woman's body is rhythmic.

It has times where we can be outgoing

and we can conquer the world and there's

times we're going to sit on the couch

and do nothing.

And there's times that we're really

happy and there's times don't look at us

that way because we're going to

our hormonal system is agitated. So, we

are constantly in a state of rhythm. And

when you're not shedding, you're missing

a major part of your rhythm that is

makes you a woman. We talked about this

last time and it was the first time as a

employer I started to reconsider how we

run our business because

if women do need certain accommodations

based on their cycle,

um what might be an optimal way for an

employer to set up a working schedule

for a woman which would be accommodating

of her cycle.

So, this is what I came up with is I we

we talked about this idea of like 3 days

off

every single month. What if every

employee had 3 days off every single

month, no questions asked, you take it

when you want to take it? And then

there's an educational process for the

women that we recommend you take it the

week before your period because that's

going to absolutely help you in

supporting your hormonal health. And

what we know is if you take it off the

week before your period that when you

come back, you're going to be an even

better version of yourself. So, it's

again not a weakness. So, I would think

you would take some chunk of time and

and you let your employee use their

prerogative because you can't tell them,

you know, when to take time you know,

when to use it with their period. I

think that's the most fair because then

the men can do it, too. Yeah.

I don't know how you feel about that as

an employer or

we're doing that already then because we

do offer what we call unlimited holiday.

I guess it's more like a responsible

holiday policy where people can take as

much time as they like. So, someone like

Jack in the team, who also applies for

me, can decide to take as much holiday

as he wants when he wants. And I have no

idea uh but sat here now how much

holiday Jack has taken this year, for

example, or why he's taken it and when

he's taken it. Yeah.

I guess therefore

with that in place, people can decide to

do that without having to broadcast why

they're off to the company. Exactly. And

and to the women in the company, what

they need to know is that that day that

like everything is crashing down on you

and your your stress is coming from all

different angles and you have to get up

and push through on that day and it's

day 25 of your menstrual cycle, if it is

appropriate on that day for you to stay

home and you work in a company like this

that is no questions asked, then stay

home.

And nurture yourself.

And and be aware that every moment a

woman is pushing through that week

before her period, she is destroying her

hormonal system.

Now, there are little pushes through and

there are big pushes through. So, I'm

talking about the big pushes through.

I'm not talking about the moment you

wake up and you're like, "Yeah, it's

going to be a boring day." Or there's

some difficult conversations I have to

have today. I'm talking about the moment

when your energy's down, you're brain

fog, you might be having some cramps,

you might be really irritable, and

you're like, "I can't take one more

thing. How about I have this really cool

company I work for. What if I just

nurture and myself today and take care

of myself so I can show up tomorrow a

better person?"

One of the other things that I wanted to

talk to you about cuz I I noticed it

popped into my fridge after our

conversation. Um and I know my partner

listened to the conversation. As I said

to you, it was translated into a bunch

of languages, so her her family got to

listen to it in Spanish as well. Um was

this this apple cider vinegar thing.

In the door of my fridge, there's apple

cider vinegar and I wasn't sure what it

was the other day, so I drank a bit and

it's disgusting. But I I thought it

looked kind of like apple juice or

something. Um and I tried it and it was

really disgusting. But apple cider

vinegar is currently in the door of my

fridge. My my partner, she's so smart.

She she's ahead of me on all of these

things. Why is it in the door of my

fridge?

Have you tried Have you tried it? I

tried it, it was disgusting. It's

totally disgusting.

little bit too strong. But I tried it

straight from the bottle and then I put

it back and left it. Well, so I'll tell

I'll give you the reason why I had it

here in a second, but I have the same

experience. I do not like apple cider

vinegar, although they've come out with

some really good modifications and

drinks with it, which is amazing.

And um we you know, we're always trying

to look at how we can support people on

our YouTube channel. And um one of our

consultants was like, "Oh, you need to

do a video on apple cider vinegar." Mhm.

And I was like, "Really?" Because I

don't really like apple cider vinegar.

It's hard to advocate something I don't

like. And so, I finally did one and it

it went viral. Like everybody wanted to

know about apple cider vinegar. So,

here's why it works is it stabilizes

blood sugar. So, let's unpack this

though because this is really

interesting. So, apple cider vinegar can

be taken before a meal or after a meal

to have a different glucose response.

So you a less of a glucose response.

So that's why people use it. I don't

know when she's drinking it, but

typically people would do it before a

meal or after a meal to make sure that

the glucose spike wasn't high. So the

second question then to ask yourself is

why does that work?

So apple cider vinegar is incredibly

nurturing to the gut microbes.

And your gut microbes actually control

your blood sugar levels. They have a

They send a bacterial signal to the

liver

cuz the liver is a major fat burning

organ. It's a major participant in

balancing blood sugar. And the two of

them coordinate a blood sugar response

of a meal.

So let's use a woman on birth control

for decades. There's new studies showing

that that actually upregulates some bad

bacteria.

That bad bacteria when food hits it has

a heyday and it has this really

exaggerated

glucose response.

Okay, she takes some some apple cider

vinegar.

And now we've got her glucose her

bacteria favoring a better glucose

response.

And how many how many times a day do you

think men and women should be eating?

Because there's this one meal a day

thing that some people subscribe

subscribe to where you just have one

meal every single day. But

is that I'm not I'm unsure whether

that's healthy for both men and women at

all stages in their cycle. I If we bring

both men and women into that

conversation, I like to look at feast

famine cycling is what you're

is best. Let's go back to our hunter and

gatherer people. What sometimes they

would make a big kill and they would

feast for days. They didn't fast. They

were like, "Oh, we have food. We don't

have refrigeration." They would feast

for days.

And then they would all of a sudden go

into a famine state. And now they're in

a famine state and now they got to go

out and they're fasting for days. So

this is how our human body was created.

So now when we're doing one meal a day,

we're not we're not really mimicking

that. We're mimicking pieces of that.

When we're eating all day, we're only

mimicking the kill. We're not mimicking

the hunt.

So I think variation is really great and

um it gives freedom and flexibility.

Like it allows you to have one meal one

day and three the next and two the next.

And it gives you that ability to just be

in flow with with food and not be so

rigid. So I'm not a one meal a day fan.

I'm definitely not a one meal a day fan

for women.

Why?

Uh this is how this whole concept

started was all the one meal a day women

um were doing it for 90 days or longer,

never cycling it, showed up on my

YouTube channel. And they had lost their

periods, their hair was falling out, um

they were agitated because they weren't

minding the week before their cycle.

So you know, one meal a day maybe for

the first 10 days of your cycle. Okay,

that would work. But then let's switch

out when we go into ovulation.

I need more meals a day.

Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Okay.

Are there any drinks that you would um

recommend for specifically for weight

loss and repair?

Well, we started with apple cider

vinegar. So I think we've we've

addressed that. That you could drink

that in your fasting window.

Um especially with people who have

really high blood sugar and they can't

seem to get it down. Try drinking that

in your fasting window. I think that

that's a really interesting insight. Um

the the second one in the in the morning

is coffee.

Um there are signs that coffee and

studies showing that it can speed up our

metabolism. Now

if you don't drink coffee, I'm I'm not

telling you to go drink it, but there is

some really interesting indications that

that people who drink coffee have a

faster metabolism. Okay. So you could do

that. Um

uh capsicum, something spicy.

So cayenne pepper, which is a spice, has

a heat to it. And that heat is actually

been proven to speed up metabolism.

Honey.

Honey. What do I think of honey? Yeah,

what do you think of honey? Raw would be

best because it Anytime we get anything

raw, it's got the enzymes in them.

Anytime we pasteurize it, now we've

killed it cuz we had to heat it up.

So I like honey. I think it's a great

sweetener. Um it's a little higher on

the glycemic index than like, you know,

things like stevia that people seem to

love. I hate the taste of stevia, so I

would I would slant towards honey.

Um but I I have a problem with honey. I

I think I think we got a little crazy on

sweeteners. Mhm.

Like we got to we got Like let's go back

to real food, people. And honey is a

real food.

Are there foods that you consider to be

cancer feeding?

Yeah. Well, sugar. Sugar I can see.

Yeah, sugar's a biggie. But but are

there are there certain foods that we

all assume are healthy? Like what are

the what are the the foods that you

know, your kid

I, anybody that's not spending a lot of

time doing the research, think they are

consuming that are beneficial to them

that are in fact

cancer feeding?

So one of them that was years ago was

the um processed meats. Yeah. And hot

dogs specifically. I don't know if you

remember the study, but it showed like

kids that ate processed meats, you know,

a couple of times

and I and I don't know the exact, so I

don't want to misquote the study, but

the general theme was when you had

processed meats consistently throughout

a week, you had a higher case of

leukemia. That's the the correlation

they were looking for.

So processed meats have chemicals in

them.

So that would be that would definitely

be one.

Um

I mean the sugar cereals are are are

packed with chemicals. The the toxic

oils in like donuts, like horrific for

children. Um juice boxes, the Go-GURTs.

Oh my gosh, my kids would like What's

that? It's like yogurt that has been

packed with sugar and artificial

colorings that make it blue and then put

into a tube. I I I hope they've changed

this. Put into a plastic tube and kids

would just like slurp it out of this

plastic tube. And there every single

ingredient in there was toxic. And it

was in a toxic container.

And what And And to to continue this

thought, I know you've done stuff you've

had guests on here about obesogens. Mhm.

So let's go back to the Go-GURT. All

those things I just mentioned are

obesogens. And what are obesogens doing

to children? They're And they're doing

this to pregnant women. They are turning

their stem cells into fat cells. They're

telling their They're reprogramming

their stem cells, specifically the stem

cells that make bone cells, and they're

telling those stem cells to make fat

cells. And one of the things we're

seeing right now is the height of

children

is less than it's ever been and the

weight of children is greater than it's

ever been. When we have a world of obese

children, we have a chronic health

problem coming down the line. And those

are the kind of things where I just get

irate with the food industry. We have to

change that because well-intending

parents don't know this.

And so they go in and they're like, "Oh,

my kids are so happy with the Go-GURT. I

just want to make them happy."

And it says it's got fruit in it. And it

says it And it says all natural.

Which is a buzzword that has no

regulations on it.

What is an obesogen?

So obesogens were are chemicals that are

allowed in our food

that turn Well, they do two things, but

the big thing that I'm really focused on

right now is they turn our stem cells

into fat cells. And what is a stem cell?

Great question. So a stem cell is a cell

that can go anywhere in the body and it

can it can repair anything. It can make

anything. So it's like a universal cell.

It can do anything. It can make an

eyeball. It can make an an ankle.

And you have a ton of them when you're

little.

And you lose them after about 30. You

don't lose them completely, but they

start You start to get less of them.

And they're a good thing. Production of

stem cells is a good thing.

Yeah. Yeah, they're they're a stem cell

is a great thing. So one of my fav or

you know, favorite is a tough word to

say. One of the most interesting

reviews that I've seen on obesogens was

put out by um

Science for Public Interest. Citizen

Science for Public Interest. It's a

beautiful PDF.

And basically it has list after list and

study after study of these obesogens and

all the ways that they are altering our

stem cells and turning them into

reprogramming them into these fat cells.

And all the different ways that the

obesity crisis we are seeing right now

in our children comes from these

chemicals that are allowed in our food.

And then it lists list after list after

list of everything that we are putting

into food that we are lathering our body

that are is in our chemical environment

and how these massive influx of

chemicals is contributing to obesity.

And specifically in a younger

generation.

Now, let's zoom out.

Let's zoom out big picture. What's

happening in our culture right now? Our

culture is like

obesity is a problem.

It you know, we went from an immune

system problem to really understand we

have an obesity problem.

And this across many countries. And it's

not just in adults, it's in kids. Does

that mean that every single person that

is obese right now is undisciplined?

I argue no.

It's because what we are eating is

reprogramming

our cells to make fat cells. And now

we've come up with a drug to be able to

solve that problem.

That's a huge beef for me. That's a that

that is at the core of that that is

wrong.

Why?

We haven't gotten to the root cause.

Let's fix the food system. We have to

fix the food system.

If we don't fix the food system,