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What is the

the mission that you're on?

Well, today, you know, a few months ago,

the

WHO, or the World Health Organization,

made a prediction

that there is going to be a mental

health pandemic.

At least 5 years ago, none of us knew

what is a pandemic. Today, we all know

what is a pandemic.

And they've gone further and they said

the next stage is there will be a

suicide pandemic.

Just to put it in perspective.

In 2020, when the pandemic was in full

swing all over the world,

in Japan, more people died of suicide

than of the pandemic.

So, we don't really need the virus.

That's all I'm saying.

Because the virus has gotten into our

head. Because once survival is taken

care of, you if you did do not become

conscious,

the way you sit, stand, breathe, think,

emote, and function within yourself, if

it does not become conscious, you will

naturally head downhill.

This is just September 23rd, I completed

40 years of this work.

So, 40 years ago,

I was a young man,

one afternoon,

when I had nothing much to do, somehow

an hour and a half gap was there for me

in the work. I was working like morning

5:30 in the morning to 11:00 in the

night building various kinds of

businesses around me.

So, when I got a break, there's a small

hill. This hill is a place where we go

and

for the youth.

When I was a kid, I cycled up this hill.

We camped on this hill. We partied on

this hill.

If you want to test our motorcycles, we

went up the hill.

Just about anything you want to do, the

youth go to Chamundi Hill. This is the

thing.

I just walked up and sat on a rock.

My eyes were still open.

I thought it's just 10, 15, or 20

minutes.

Suddenly, I started feeling every cell

in my body literally dripping ecstasy.

I thought this lasted 15, 20 minutes.

But, when I came back to my normal

senses,

4 and 1/2 hours had passed.

For the first time in my adult life,

tears me and tears were simply

impossible.

Tears to a point my shirt is all wet.

Then, I shake my skeptical mind and ask

what the hell is happening to me. All I

knew was I had hit a gold mine and there

was no context.

Nobody around me could tell me what was

happening with me. Nor did I know what

was happening with me.

This is something that most people will

experience in their lives. On a certain

day, when they're very happy, 24 hours

feels like 10 minutes.

Another day, when you're depressed,

10 minutes will feel like 24 hours.

Time is a very relative experience. When

you're so blissed out,

what is 2 minutes? It's 8 hours, 10

hours just gone like that.

So, in about 6 to 8

weeks,

I came to some kind of stabilization

within myself and started experimenting

as to what is happening to me.

Then, I realized

if I keep a little distance from my

physiological and psychological activity

that's going on, if I just remove myself

a little bit,

then within within a few seconds or

within a couple of minutes, every cell

in my body is bursting with ecstasy.

Now, this is not just my experience.

Today, we have it measured out in

Harvard Medical School, how there is

endocannabinoids are bursting out in

people simply because they do a simple

practice.

So, I made a plan in 2 and 1/2 years

time,

I will make the whole world blissed out.

I knew the methodology. If you just keep

a distance, it'll happen.

40 years now.

Today, people are saying we are touching

over 2 billion people. Last year, our

video views have been 3.51 billion.

So, people think that's great.

But, no, that is less than half the

population as far as I'm concerned

because I started thinking I'll make the

whole world blissed out.

But, people are committed to their

miseries either because of their beliefs

or their ideologies or their compulsive

behavior within themselves.

So, it needs to happen to the whole

world. This is I don't see this as a

mission. I just see this as an

expression of my humanity. Suppose you

hear a good joke.

Will you tell somebody who's dear to you

or will you cover yourself with a

blanket and tell yourself?

Of course, I'll tell everybody. Yeah.

Pretend it was mine.

That's all I'm trying to do. No mission.

My experience, I'm trying to just rub it

off on people.

Some stats for you that support what you

said earlier. Someone dies by suicide in

the UK every 90 minutes. 76% of them are

male. The single biggest cause of death

for men under the age of 45 here in the

UK is by suicide. You said you've spent

a lot a lot of time around business

people and they appear to be

the most unhappy and least blissful

people.

wouldn't say unhappy. Stressed out.

Stressed out. What is it that we're

doing to the Cuz I I see myself I must

be in that category to some regard

because I've focused most of my time on,

you know, building businesses and, you

know,

I guess to some extent material things

and success.

So, I must be part of that category.

tactic in the sense.

See, you can think that survival means

two meals a day.

Or you can think survival means Bentley.

So, it'll keep you busy a little longer.

Still survival process. As long as the

survival There's an instinct to survive

and there is a longing to expand within

the human being.

So, for most human beings, these two

things are mixed up.

It is that instinct of survival which is

finding expression as

their longing to expand.

It doesn't matter who you are, where you

are, anybody.

You want to be something more.

If that something more happens, you want

to be something more.

You can go on like this. How much more?

Whatever you want. If I make it true for

you right now, next moment you'll be

thinking what more?

Suppose I make you the king of not

England, the planet.

Don't look at me hopefully.

I will not commit such a blunder.

Suppose we make you the king of this

planet, will you be fulfilled?

No, you will look at the moon. You look

at other planets. You look at the other

galaxies. If I give you one galaxy,

you'll say what about the other galaxy?

Because there is something within a

human being which wants to expand

limitlessly. Is that not a good thing?

Is not that not the reason why

I didn't say it's not good.

I'm just saying you have constipated

that longing to expand. That's why you

suffer.

When I say constipated, right now you

want to expand limitlessly.

Can you expand this body limitless? No.

Please don't.

Don't try. In the gym I've tried, but

So physical expansion is a limited

expansion and your longing is to expand

limitlessly because there is something

within you which doesn't like

boundaries.

The moment see if I imprison you in a 5

by 5 cubicle

you will feel terribly imprisoned.

Then tomorrow I will announce your

liberation and release you into 10 by 10

cubicle. You will feel wonderful for 2

days.

Then you'll feel horribly imprisoned.

Then we will release you into 100 by 100

cubicle. You will be fine for a week.

After that you'll feel miserable.

Doesn't matter where I set the boundary.

Once you feel the boundary, you want to

break it.

So there is something intrinsic within

you which doesn't like boundaries. This

is a consequence of the evolution that

you've gone through. Once your cerebral

cortex flowered, now you don't like

boundaries.

But you're trying to expand in an

infinite way by counting 1 2 3 4 or 5.

Can you ever count 1 2 3 4 5 and one day

say infinity?

No. You'll only get into endless

counting. That's all that's happening.

That's why I said your longing to expand

is a limitless process.

But right now you're constipated. You're

going one little step at a time.

Constipation means just this. It happens

little by little.

So So is it a case of trying to find a

balance between your ambition to expand

and to grow and be successful? No. No.

No.

And peace.

Why should you find balance? You must

expand.

Okay. So I That's what I'm doing.

Yes. No.

What is the means to become a boundless

expansion?

If you look at that, then we say

consciousness. This is what raising

human consciousness means because you

realize physical expansion is not a

realistic thing. We can make physical

arrangements as we want, as we need for

our convenience and comfort, but that is

not the way to expand. Expansion needs

to happen in a way that it's not

physical in nature. Then you can also

own the universe. I can also also own

the universe.

When When I When I look at the way we're

living our lives in the Western world,

you talked about the WHO. They describe

stress as an epidemic sometimes and they

say it's a major contributor to the

diseases that we're undergoing. Um

where I'm trying to figure out in my

life where I'm going, if there's

anywhere I'm going wrong. It cuz I've

I'm building these businesses and I'm

you know, I I I sometimes ask myself to

what end, you know?

When you say where am I going wrong?

The wrong is this The fundamental wrong

is this.

What is not you, if you think it's you,

then you're trapped in that.

If you think that I am this chair

because we sat on this chair for a

period of time, if you think you are

this chair, now this chair will go with

you stuck to your backside wherever you

go. That's a very ugly thing to do,

isn't it?

It's the same thing right now.

Your thought, you think it's you. Your

emotion, you think it's you. Your Your

physiological stuff, you think it's you.

It's pretty ugly. It's just because

everybody's got this

chair stuck to the backside, it looks

like it's normal.

After all it's convenient. Wherever you

go you don't have to look for a chair.

You got a chair fixed.

If I identify with all these things, if

I identify with this chair, you're

saying that that becomes a white

problem. The thing is your identity,

whatever you're identified with, that

becomes a part of you.

And is that what's causing us a lot of

our despair?

Yes.

If you sit here just as life, what is

your problem?

As long as you're alive, everything is

fine.

Yeah.

The only problem is you're identified

with things that you're not.

So there's a whole lot of confusion

about everything.

So if you're successful, you suffer. If

you fail, you suffer. If you're See

there Look at that thing. Is there one

thing that human beings are not

suffering? Just tell me.

Somebody's poor, they suffer their

poverty.

Somebody becomes rich, they suffer the

taxes. No children, they suffer that.

Give them children, every day pain.

Something or the other. So it looks like

whole life is suffering. So somebody

makes a philosophy, whole life is

suffering. You must go to heaven.

If you know that much, why are you not

gone?

You are not gone because you don't know

a damn thing.

Whether there is a place better than

this somewhere or not, you don't know.

You're just claiming these things to

somehow fix your psychological

sloshing that's happening inside.

You're making up things to somehow

believe something so that

your psychology won't just splash all

over the place and go crazy. You're

trying to hold yourself in place telling

yourself fairy tales, all right?

So what I'm saying is

do you believe

that if you want to navigate your life

through this time that we have in a

sensible manner, the most important

thing is

to see life as is.

As it is.

If I don't see in this room things as

they are,

I will walk into this table. I will bump

into somebody. I will do crazy things

every day.

If I see very clearly, navigating myself

through all these cables and tripods is

not a big problem. Hello.

But if I don't see, if there's no

clarity of vision, if I'm not seeing

things as they are,

then what a mess it is. Every little

thing, that's all the problem problem

is. Not that what you're doing is wrong.

The way you're seeing it is wrong.

How do I

How do I know the way I'm seeing it is

wrong?

What is the evidence of that or the

symptoms of that?

as you're giving me the evidence from

statistics.

That's the evidence.

So I am not like that. Obviously you're

here, I am here, so both of us didn't

commit suicide, so we are not in the

statistic.

That's not the point.

You think those people who committed

suicide, everything was wrong with their

life?

No.

Not everything was wrong with their

life. A few things as it goes wrong in

your life, my life, everybody's life,

some things don't work. All right? In

everybody's life, something doesn't work

in the outside world.

If everything is working for you,

obviously you're living a very petty

life.

In my life, 95% of the things that I

want doesn't happen. Only 5% happens.

Because I'm trying to fix everything in

the world.

Most of the things don't happen.

So if anybody wants to die of

frustration, it must be me, but I will

not because

no matter what, I will die blessed out.

I live blessed out. I die blessed out.

Because what I do,

what the situation is around me and how

I am are never connected. I am the way I

am.

I'll do my best.

Has Has it required you to train

yourself to sort of disassociate from

No. No. No. See

This is all because See the problem is

too much uh

spiritual jargon is going all over the

world because every idiot who's read two

books can write his next book.

You read two books. There was a time

when people read 10 books and then wrote

one book that was called plagiarism. Now

they read two books and they write the

third book.

Say your your background is full of

books. I hope you not read all of them.

I've only read two and I'm writing one.

Uh because just about everybody is

writing. It's all right. It's freedom of

expression. They can write what they

want.

But

these are two things. There is

expression and there is perception.

Which should you invest in more?

Perception.

If you perceive well, your expression

will be valuable.

Right now everybody's on expression

binge without perceiving a damn thing.

There would be so many people that are

going through stress at work in their

relationships in their household

listening to this going

How How do I live blessed out like he

does? Like what what's step one in that

staircase?

I'll tell you.

See, whatever you call it, you call it

by whatever name you want. Stress,

anxiety, tension, depression, bipolar,

this one, that one, many things.

I was talking to some of the top

psychiatrists in UK

and they told me there are 72 varieties

of

psychological ailments. I thought there

may be half a dozen.

But they said there are 72 varieties of

psychological ailments. I was really

surprised. 72, that's like a golf game.

Then I asked what are these. They told

me quite a few things. One of the things

they told was compulsive nose picking.

Even if they're bleeding in the nose,

they can't stop it.

That explains everything in a way.

Compulsive nose picking. Leave the nose

picking. It's compulsiveness.

You're compulsive in your thought,

compulsive in your emotion, compulsive

in your actions. That's all the problem

is.

How do you fix compulsion or

compulsiveness? If this room is dark,

how do you fix it?

Let's do one thing. Both of us fight

with this darkness and push it out of

the window.

There's no such thing. If you turn on

the light, it's gone.

So, there is no substitute for

consciousness. If you become conscious,

compulsive behavior is gone. Suppose

you are in thought, emotion, action, and

energy, you are not compulsive.

That you can create whatever thought you

want, whatever emotion you want. Would

you keep yourself blissed out or

miserable? What's your choice?

Blissed out.

For yourself, every human being, for

themselves, they want the highest level

of pleasantness. So, the intent is

already there.

You don't I don't have to inspire them,

be blissed out. There's no such

philosophy. Every human being wants the

highest level of pleasantness for

themselves. Those who think it's

hopeless here, they're the ones who

created heaven. They said, "There is a

place which is always pleasant."

But they don't have any proof that we

are all we are not already in heaven and

making a mess out of that.

Hello? Do you? Do you think this is

heaven?

This is planet Earth, and it's a

fantastic place, and it's the most

fantastic place we have seen in the

known universe.

Do you think there's heaven, though? Do

you think there's somewhere else we go

to that is

another world after this one?

Everybody who thinks there is one, they

must go today.

Hello? If they if they have better

accommodation somewhere than London,

shouldn't they not go?

Did people not rush to America at one

time?

Why are they not going? No, they want

you to go. This is not good.

It's true.

See, whatever kind of mental ailment you

talk about, essentially, when your

intelligence turn against you,

there's no power in the universe which

can help you. But why is my intelligence

turn turning against me?

Somewhere we have not learned how to

handle it, isn't it? Mhm. Your education

systems, your society, nowhere is there

anything to teach a child how to handle

their own intelligence, their own

emotions, their own thoughts. There is

no such thing. All fixing mechanic shop.

You know, repair jobs everywhere. Mhm.

Leave the repair jobs. The simple thing

is this.

The reason why people are struggling

with this is they have uh

Pardon my words, but uh otherwise people

won't get it. They have a mental

diarrhea.

This doesn't create anything except

distress.

Anything that runs loose without your

control is called diarrhea.

Why has it happened?

Even today, even if somebody gets

physical diarrhea,

immediately somebody will pop a pill.

But traditionally, what did we do?

Somebody has diarrhea. First thing is we

understood we've eaten something wrong.

First thing we did was just don't eat.

Just drink water and wait.

And next, identify what did I eat

yesterday or today morning? What

happened to me? What is it that I

consumed which caused this? And avoid

that.

But no, we will plug it in.

No, if you plug it in, it'll all rise

within yourself. This is all that's

happening. Right now, our way of doing

life is very forceful. When I had mental

diarrhea last time, the last time I I

had mental diarrhea, that kind of

overthinking causes anxiety, all those

things.

Let me correct this. I There is no

overthinking. I am saying people are not

thinking enough. This is a serious

problem. But they think they're

overthinking. They're not overthinking.

It's a diarrhea. It's happening.

Why is it happening? Something wrong

food has gone in. What is the wrong

food? This is all it is. The moment you

identify yourself with something that

you are not,

your mind you cannot stop. Do what you

want.

Do whatever you want. It will not stop.

So, that that anxiety that people

experience where they start remunerating

about the future or something that's

happened, that is because that they

it this way. This this question I

understand what you're saying.

See, what is it that human beings are

suffering?

What happened 10 years ago? They're

still suffering.

What may happen day after tomorrow?

They're already suffering. This is what

you're saying.

What happened 10 years ago? Is it here

now? Does it exist? No.

What may happen day after tomorrow? Does

it exist here? No.

So, if you're suffering something that

does not exist,

what does it mean?

Tell me bluntly.

If you're suffering something that

doesn't exist

like insanity, but it feels like it

exists.

insanity.

It is insanity. That's why I'm saying

once you start doing this, how far you

go? When will you graduate?

When will you end up in a doctor's

place? When will you end up in a asylum?

It's a question of time.

But now,

the world bodies are predicting it's

going to happen large scale

very soon. Let me give you an example.

So, if someone has a sick child or or

they just lost their job,

and they're thinking over and over again

about, you know, "Oh my god, my child's

going to die. I'm going to lose my job,

and then I can't feed myself. I'm going

to lose my house, then I'm going to be

on the street."

That kind of rem- remuneration and

stress, that

that anxiety they experience on a

day-to-day basis because they're scared

of losing something which might, you

know, they believe will land them up on

the street or lose their job, or they

won't be able to feed their family.

That kind of torment.

Mhm.

I wouldn't want to put those two things

in the same level.

Losing a child and losing a job. Mhm.

All right?

Losing a child is a different thing.

It's a completely different thing,

obviously.

There will be a certain amount of pain

in any human being.

That's different.

So,

let us say such a terrible thing we had

to face that we may lose our child. Mhm.

Tell me, can you do the best for the

child

if you are in your sanity?

Or is it good to go into insanity?

Feel like it takes a tremendous

discipline.

Now, what it takes, we'll see later. But

I'm just asking a fundamental question.

Okay. Well, it makes more sense not to

go into insanity.

Yes. Sanity will make a difference.

Maybe we can save the child, maybe we

cannot, because

all aspects of life we don't determine.

Our experience we can determine.

See,

what happens in the world around you,

even if you're just two people in the

family,

never will it happen 100% your way.

If you try,

nobody will be around you.

It's as simple as that.

I've read your story, so I know that

there's moments in your life where

you've lost people that you loved.

A lot of people.

Not one or two. Because my family is so

large, almost every other day I am

burying somebody who's very dear to me.

Which one of those moments impacted you

the most? And

did any of them drive you into the

insanity that we're talking about? No.

I don't let anything drive me into

insanity. This is a brief amount of time

that you have as life.

Here we create many things.

You're creating businesses. I have large

movements where millions of people are

involved. There are relationships.

You cannot take these things lightly

because other lives are involved.

But

you cannot prevent anybody from dying.

You can

attend to them. If

if something is going to happen to them,

you can make attempts to save them, but

you cannot prevent anybody from

absolutely dying, including yourself.

This is a fact.

So, the only two things that we have is

a certain amount of time and a certain

amount of energy. This is all that you

call as life. What do you want to make

out of it?

You want to make a mess out of it. See,

the thing is, first of all, they're

living an emotionally constipated life.

They only loved their child.

I saw everybody as mine. Everything that

happened hurts. But that's part of it.

If you walk in a forest, there are

thorns in your feet, but this doesn't

mean you ain't don't enjoy the forest,

all right?

Do you have moments of sadness?

See,

you're asking a very question which is

hard for me to say because

I have done this to myself.

That nothing happens within me

the way I don't want it.

If that was your situation, nothing

happens within you

unconsciously. Everything that happens

happens the way you want within

yourself. What is the experience that

you want to have right now is always

determined by you.

What would be your choice? Grief and

misery, is it?

No.

See, you are the only creature who can

decide your way of being,

no matter what is the surrounding. Every

other creature is an instinctive

reaction to what's happening around them

because they are only fired by their

survival instinct.

They don't have any other aspiration.

Once their stomach is full, their life

is settled.

For a human being, stomach empty is only

one problem.

Stomach full, 100 problems because life

doesn't settle with survival.

You want to be something else all the

time.

The problem is you're a being.

You're supposed to know how to be.

How far away have human beings gone from

the definition or that aspiration?

So, is that an incorrect question to ask

then cuz cuz I asked you if you if you

you experience sadness.

If I want to, I do.

If you want to, you do. Okay.

I said it doesn't happen

as

it doesn't happen by itself.

If I want, I can be loving. If I want, I

can be joyful. Like if I want, I can be

sad.

Yes, when somebody dear to you is no

more.

You allow yourself that.

But, do you stop doing anything? No.

That sense of purpose you have, the most

popular question that young people ask

me is is about passion and purpose. They

they've been indoctrinated by society to

think that they have this one purpose

and their big issue is they can't seem

to find it. So, like an Easter egg,

they've they're going in hunt of what's

my purpose? How do I know once I've

reached my purpose? The people that are

working now in jobs um listening to this

on their way on the tube to work. How

what is this this subject of purpose and

passion? What do I commit my life to?

How do we go about answering that? See,

if you get absolutely committed to your

purpose, you will be called a fanatic.

If you willing to do whatever it takes

to achieve that, you will be called a

terrorist.

So, there is no purpose to life.

If you

if you are not a vested interest and you

can be not a vested interest only when

you're joyful by your own nature.

That how you are is determined by you.

So, this is the fundamental you have to

set that your experience of life is

determined by you.

When I say experience of life, people

are always thinking experiences happen

because of external stimuli. No. If you

dream of a tiger, you can experience

fear, isn't it?

You can you can dream of somebody

beautiful and experience love. Yes or

no?

So, I'm saying all experiences caused

from within you. Human experience

happens from within you, never from

outside of you.

There may be a stimuli. Now, this

stimuli means just like this. You know,

uh you're too young to know these

things. There used to be wax all cars in

this country. They always used to park

it in a slope like this because morning

you need two people to push that car in

the morning in 50s and 60s, I'm saying.

Later on, they had crank start.

You need one person to do that.

Otherwise, you can't get your car

started.

Today, all cars are self start.

I'm asking you.

Your peace, your joy,

your love, your blissfulness, would you

want to keep it on self start or push

start?

Self start. I wouldn't want it to rely

on anyone else.

asking repeatedly. You want push start.

Don't be on push start.

Inner experiences are always on self

start. Outside world will never happen

100% our way. Little bit your way,

little bit my way, little bit somebody

else's way. That's how it should be cuz

if everything happened your way, where

the hell do I go?

It doesn't happen your way or my way.

It's fine.

It is only fine if you're joyful by your

own nature. But, if your happiness

depends on what happens on the outside,

then you being happy is a remote

possibility.

I want to be happy on my own nature.

I hear I hear what you said.

However, I'm going to walk out of this

room

and I know something's going to annoy

me. Maybe my words are even wrong, but

then I'll immediately snap back into the

sort of unconscious, I don't know,

dismay or despair.

How how does one go about like the first

step in becoming happy by our own

nature?

Do you think your life is worthwhile?

Your life is worth

investing about 32 hours of focused time

upon it, your life? Yes.

If you think so, you should do that.

This is what the process that I've

called it as inner engineering.

32 hours of focused time. Book is just a

um large brochure, you know.

Because there is a practice involved.

When I say a practice, a simple practice

which only 21 minutes of practice. To

teach this 21-minute prac- practice, we

take 32 hours of orientation because

without that, it won't happen. You need

to understand how the mechanism of your

own thoughts, why are they hitting If

your hand is punching you in the face,

why is it doing that? You need to

understand. Otherwise, just holding it

down is not the answer. This is the most

sophisticated machine on the planet.

Have you read the user's manual?

The user's manual for my body?

For yourself as a life.

No, I didn't know there was one.

So, when do you want to do it? Towards

the end of the life is when people think

they should do it. It's like you got

yourself your iPad.

Should you read the user's manual in the

first 3 days or after 3 years when

you're getting rid of the machine?

When I first get it. Yes. But, nobody

gives me the user's manual for my for

myself.

No, no, the thing is it's inbuilt. You

have to just pay attention.

How do I do that? So, we'll do one thing

right now. Shall we do a simple

experiment with this?

Yes.

You'll have to do this with your eyes

closed.

Okay. But, right now look at me. Okay.

Afterwards, you can do. You you place

your palms like this facing down upon

your thigh, gently placed.

So, you will start breathing slightly

deeper, 10-15% deeper than normal. Don't

do it yet. Hello. Yeah. And as you're

doing it, I will say switch. Then you

turn your hands around gently upon your

thigh like this.

And again, when I say switch, get back

this way. Okay. In these two conditions,

something about your breath will change.

I will also give you a clue what could

be changing.

Where the air is filling up in your

lungs, how it fills up. Something about

it will change. Or let me put it this

way, the maximum expansion and

contraction in which part of the

chest is it happening?

This way, which way? This way, which

way? Just notice that. Just hold your

palms facing down, close your eyes.

Okay. And when you say switch, turn my

hands over, right?

Yes.

Breathe slightly deeper, not very

forcefully, just 10-15% more.

Notice where

the maximum expansion and contraction is

happening.

Switch.

Switch again.

Please open your eyes.

There's some difference?

Yeah. What is it?

Uh in what part I feel how I feel?

No.

Or my breathing?

Where is the maximum expansion and

contraction when you're holding two

different postures?

Um I felt like my

my chest and my belly were

expanding more

when I switched when I was switching. I

felt like I was just getting more air

into my body.

Let me tell you what's happening. You

can experiment by yourself and see. When

you have your hands facing together uh

facing down with all fingers together,

maximum expansion contraction is

happening in the lower lobe of the lung.

Yeah, yeah.

If you turn it around, it shift to the

middle lobe of the lung.

A middle lobe being much larger, you

feel more, but actually it's the shift.

So, I'm saying just by turning your

hands around like this, the very way you

breathe is altering itself. It's not

just the breath. The very way your life

energy's function is altering itself.

How many times in a day

unconsciously are you

Now, you're setting your energies into

turmoil and hoping to be peaceful. It

will not work and I'm happy it doesn't

work because if it works for you by

doing wild things and still everything

is peaceful and wonderful within you,

then what is the use of my life?

Spending a whole lifetime paying

attention to every little thing that's

happening here.

I'm saying if you can drive blind on the

London streets and not hit anything, a

good driver will feel insulted, isn't

it?

That's all I'm saying.

But, how do we learn the user manual for

ourselves though? So, you know,

is it it's not something we go and read

in a book. You said it's

The problem is this, all your sense

organs are outward bound.

Because they are survival instruments.

Your sense organs, your ability to see,

hear, smell, taste, and touch are

essentially your survival instruments.

Life cannot be enhanced by them. You can

only survive better.

If you see better than me, you can

survive better than me. If you hear

better than me, you can survive better

than me. But, this life will not feel

enhanced by perceiving more through the

five sense organs.

And they're all outward bound.

You can see me.

Can you roll your eyeballs inward and

scan

No.

You can hear that? So much happening in

the body, can you hear that?

No.

So, all your sense organs are only to

perceive what's happening around you,

not to perceive what's within you.

So, to perceive within you, you need to

turn inward.

That needs a little because it's not

survival.

Something has to be done. You know how

to write English language? Yeah. Yes.

To learn the damn 26 alphabets, you took

some effort, isn't it?

Hello. Yeah, I did. It took some effort.

And it it took some guidance because

anything that's beyond survival needs

striving. That striving is missing in

the society.

There was a time there was a time where

in the

civilization that we refer refer to as

Hindustan or Bharat or today being the

political country is being called as

India.

In this culture, 70% of the people were

invested in inward well-being.

Because of that, they became super

enhanced. Because of that enhancement,

they became so wealthy in everything.

Rich in mathematics, rich in astronomy,

rich in business, rich in trade, rich in

industry.

It was the richest nation on the planet

just 300 years ago.

See, everybody from here, whether it's

English or French or Portuguese,

everybody went to India.

You think in search of poverty?

In search of wealth.

Isn't it? Mhm.

It became like that effortlessly without

conquering anybody, without having large

armies, because people invested in

enhancing themselves.

I'm telling you,

if you try to enhance your activity

without enhancing yourself, you'll only

die of stress. This is what is happening

to unfortunately whole lot of CEOs. I'm

concerned about this because the CEO

means you gave something that is

important that needs to happen in the

world into his hands, his or her hands.

And if they are stressed out, what

misery will they create for the rest of

the world?

It's very important.

That journey to taking care of

ourselves, like I had to learn how to

read a book or to learn language. No,

I'm saying anything that's not survival.

Yeah. Will not come naturally. You have

to strive.

The society has to create the longing.

Being peaceful and joyful is more

important for a human being's experience

of life than me being better than you.

That stra- that orientation the society

has to create, isn't it?

Mhm.

I agree.

I agree.

It's just seems

seems like there's such a powerful

narrative coming from social media,

magazines, TV, movies that Yes, yes, I'm

not denying that. Making us

individualistic and It's not even

individualistic. It's always about me

being better than you. It started from

the kindergarten school.

There itself they told you, I am first

rank, you are third rank.

From there it started, I'm better than

you.

So, the whole life is about being better

than somebody means essentially what it

means is I enjoy your failures.

Does it sound like joy to you or

sickness to you?

Sounds like a sickness. It is a

sickness.

We're building into our children right

from day one.

What about trauma? I was thinking about

early trauma and how that drives us to

be

drives us away from a life of

contentment. It drives us towards, you

know, a life where we might end up in

prison or we might be dysfunctional in

other ways because of something early

that happened when we were 7 years old,

you know, could be a small thing or a

big trauma that has orientated us to be

greedy or to be selfish or to be in the

worst case, maybe to hurt others.

Essentially, you're finding an excuse

for the way you are, which you yourself

don't like.

See, if something unpleasant happened to

you, you have two choices.

Either you can become wise

or you can become wounded. Choose.

More unpleasant things happened to

happened to you than anybody else. You

must be the wisest man soonest.

No, you choose to be wounded because you

carry this wound like a badge and so

that you can cause the same wound to

others.

What's the point? When you know the pain

of it, how do you do the same thing to

me?

But it becomes a survival

No. technique There is no excuse.

The thing is just this. Instead of

intelligently, consciously responding to

life, you are reacting like any other

creature. That's all.

So, something bad happens to me when I'm

7 years old and these neurons fire in my

brain that make me

react badly.

all WhatsApp

neurology.

Whoever told you these things. So, right

now, we have a research center in

Harvard Medical School in Beth Israel

Hospital, okay? Right now in October,

this month, on 17th to 21st, we have a

international conference there. In these

5-6 years of its existence, they have

done a lot of study. One thing they have

found was I can't go into all the

scientific things. I'm not a scientist.

But one important thing is

this simple 21-minute practice I'm

talking about. People who did this for

over 6 to 8 weeks,

the endocannabinoids in their system is

70% higher than what is considered to be

normal.

What is normal for a happy person? It's

70% higher than that. You know what's

endocannabinoid? No.

You know what's cannabis? Yeah. Yes.

Every human being has cannabis

receptors. This doesn't mean that this

body was created to smoke cannabis.

You're supposed to produce it. When you

don't produce it, you try to substitute

from outside. That's a different matter.

Let me not go into that aspect. But

70% higher, what this means is it is

about 23% higher than what happens in

sexual orgasm or extreme exercise.

Simply sitting here.

So, if you felt like that every moment

of your life,

do I have to tell you don't rob, don't

kill, don't do this? No.

No.

That's all you need to We've not fixed

that one thing.

See, when you were a child, when you

were 5 years of age,

you were just bubbling with joy by your

own nature, isn't it? Mhm.

Somebody had to work hard to make you

unhappy

at that time. Mhm.

But now somebody has to work hard to

make you happy. What happened to the

equation?

If you had really grown up,

5 years if you were that happy, by the

time you were 31, you should have been

ecstatic.

Isn't it?

People typically do feel more miserable

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No, they are carrying more baggage,

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You said something earlier about um

humans are the most intelligent species

on Earth. Aren't we?

You have doubt about that? For now.

Art- artificial intelligence. I wanted

to ask you about this.

No, artificial intelligence, we'll come

to that. First, establish this.

Artificial intelligence is created by

human beings, isn't it?

Yes. Then how did it become more

intelligent than me?

Uh

cuz it read more books. No.

See,

everything

everything that's man-made here in this

world came out of human intelligence.

And it's still not a full expression of

our intelligence. Still there are many

many more things we can do.

You are thinking mind means intelligence

means just intellectual process. Because

of that you think the phone is smarter

than you.

Because it has better memory and it has

better computing computing process. So

all those who are on one-dimensional

intelligence, which is intellect,

which is a European problem if you ask

me. You're exited but still you're

European, you know, in culture.

I know you Brexited but

So

It is in Europe that suddenly human

thought became very illogized.

Why it became like this is

the dogmatic religious beliefs which did

not allow people to think for

themselves. If you thought anything

other than what's written in the book

you're dead.

They made this for a few centuries. So

suddenly when they broke away from that

and started thinking for themselves,

they suddenly thought this is liberation

and they illogized human thought and

they crafted the whole education system

on the planet based on that. Today

you're just using one dimension of your

intelligence, which is intellect.

Thought process is thought to be

everything. Where one of them went to

the extent of saying I think so I exist.

What are the other dimensions of human

intellect?

We'll come. We'll come.

I'm asking you, do you exist because you

think or because you exist you think?

Because I exist, I think.

Yeah. You may think if you want to you

may not think. It's up to you.

So because you exist, your existence is

important. Your existence, is it because

you're seeing me that you exist? Even if

you close your eyes you still exist,

isn't it? Yeah. If you don't hear

anything you still exist.

So your existence is fundamental. These

are all activities of seeing, hearing,

smelling, thinking, emoting. These are

all activities of your existence, the

life that you are. But we got it all

upside down and how you how do you

expect it to work?

Because another aspect is if I ask you a

simple question, would you want your

intellect to be sharp or blunt? What's

your answer?

Sharp.

Sharp.

If I give you a sharp instrument, let's

say we give you a very sharp knife.

Now you must be very conscious how you

move your hand. If you're little la la

la la kind, la la la la la if you do

intestines will come out.

Yes or no?

Yes.

We don't give a knife to a child's hand

only because of this, because his hand

is not steady. Not because knife is

dangerous. Never in the history has it

ever happened a knife jumped up and

stabbed somebody. It never happened,

believe me.

I've been following the news.

It is only the hand that wields it. It

can cut a vegetable and make your meal

or it can do surgery and save somebody's

life or stab somebody and take their

life. All these things the hand can do,

not the knife. So right now your

intellect is a sharp instrument.

Once you have a sharp instrument, you

must know how to hold it. This is simply

not there.

Everybody's cutting themselves up and

they think something is wrong with life.

You can call this stress, anxiety,

misery, whatever you want. Essentially

you have a sharp instrument and you're

unconscious so you're cutting yourself

up. Well, that instrument, that sharp

instrument in a world where we're

building machines that have the

intelligence of

a million people

and those machines can make decisions.

So theoretically the machine can now

decide to send a missile at a country on

its own because of

But if we had the intelligence, we

wouldn't make a missile.

Yeah, but we we have. And this is what

I'm concerned about is I've sat here

with all these AI experts and they're

talking about the issue. They're telling

me they're not going to be able to

contain this artificial intelligence. Uh

see,

let me tell you an example.

I've spoken about this before. I don't

know if I should repeat that but let me

say this to you.

I remember this very clearly. It was

1972.

You didn't exist.

And for the first time they installed a

gantry in the

port in Mumbai called the Mazagon Docks.

In the docks they put up a gantry.

Till then, as it was done everywhere in

the world,

maybe a little further back,

there were labor who are going up into

the ships and getting the sacks out and

unloading. Those days the largest

vessels were about 125 125,000

to 150,000 tons.

They would take 24 to 28 days to unload

one vessel.

So they installed a gantry.

So all of them went on strike, a big

strike which paralyzed Mumbai city.

At that time it was Bombay. It got

completely paralyzed because all the

labor went on strike. I'm sure many such

labor strikes have happened here. Every

time a new machine was installed people

went on strike because their argument

was if you put this machine, this is

going to unload a ship in one day. What

are we supposed to do with our muscle?

We got this muscle.

Now what are we supposed to do? They

went on strike. This is what now the

professors, academics, all the

intellectual people who only invested in

their

intellect are now saying what are we

supposed to do? The machine will do

everything. It's fantastic, isn't it?

All the machines are doing all the hard

work for you.

But when the machines can think, the

machines could make a decision that they

want to do things that are Do only

machines think?

Do only machines think? Only machines

think.

Only if you have reduced yourself to

become a mechanical thing, you're only

thinking about life.

Otherwise there's a way of opening

yourself up to life and experience the

magic of life. Right now you're trapped

in the logic of life. Mhm. When I say

the logic of life,

logic is the foundation. It's very very

important.

But suppose in this building we make you

live in the foundations.

Today it's called basement but it's

actually a dungeon. We used to lock up

people there or animals or something.

If you want somebody to have a horrible

life, you put them in the foundations.

That's all I'm saying. If you live with

the foundations of your life, which is

your logic,

you will live a bad life no matter where

you are. Even if I put you up in a

palace, you still suffer. Are you scared

at all?

Are you concerned at all? Humans have

made nuclear bombs. Now they've made

this thing called artificial

intelligence which is accelerating. Are

you concerned at all that it will get

into the wrong hands and people who are

No, artificial intelligence means at

least the human error will be taken out.

I'm happy about that. The human error?

Yeah, there are so many idiots who can

do anything.

Half-brained people get to the top of

the nation.

They could do anything. At least

artificial intelligence means there'll

be a proper process

before we launch anything. So you're

happy about artificial intelligence?

I'm happy about any development because

essentially how I see is I let me tell

you my experience, first experience of

an intelligent machine. I was probably

12, 13 years old. I was uh in my ninth

standard.

And I went to school only when I had to.

Most of the time I got lost on the way.

But when I went I thought this was just

an unnecessary nonsense in my life. Mhm.

So I spent most of the time in the

library barely went to the classroom.

Like me.

So

one day somebody brought a flatbed

calculator. Maybe you've not even seen

one like that. You're all doing on the

phone and iPad. Flatbed calculator is

most of it is flat one little screen

like this.

We've never seen anything like this.

So you say it, you know, 185 into 365

took answer is right there.

I looked at it and I felt really

insulted. Why the hell are they

tormenting me in a mathematics class

when this machine is there? Why can't

they make one machine for chemistry, one

machine for physics, one machine for

every damn thing? I enjoyed swimming in

the lakes. I enjoyed sitting on the

trees. I enjoyed loitering around all

over the countryside.

I learned my life like that.

But this nonsense, why am I going

through this when this silly machine can

do this?

At last my dream is coming true. I'm

very happy.

Everything that human beings can do,

see, this silly mentality, what will

happen to our jobs? Why do you need a

job?

All you need is food to survive. Suppose

everybody on the planet is fed. I know

those guys idiots will become drunkards

and drug addicts. That's a different

matter. But

if everybody is fed and you don't have

to worry about your living,

this is when human beings can do

something absolutely fantastic. Right

now they're spending their life just to

earn a living.

When will they make a life out of

themselves?

What you said sounds almost identical to

what the

founder and the CEO of Open AI who made

ChatGPT, which is leading the leading

the way at the moment, said literally

yesterday

in an interview he did. He said, "If we

can get people to a point where they

don't have to worry about

tedious jobs, then they can live these

blissful lives."

We'll do one thing. We'll remove all the

earth moving machines and everything.

Give everybody a pickaxe and a crowbar

and a spade. Let them all go back to the

mines and construction everywhere. Let

them start doing physically. Will they

protest or no? They will protest. Ah.

That's what will happen in 50 years

time. If you ask them to multiply,

they'll protest.

That's what I said the first moment

first moment I saw the calculator, I

said, "What? This is this nonsense. Why

am I doing all this when I can do tuk

tuk tuk here?"

The The counterargument to that is that

people need a sense of like purpose.

Ah, that is what

Something to strive for.

a false purpose to live because you have

not even made an attempt to understand

what this life is about, what its

potential is about. You need a false

purpose. You go and dig in the mine and

it's your purpose. And then you produce

two

two children. Putting bread on the table

is a big purpose to your life. Silliest

way to live for a human being.

That's how most people live.

Unfortunately, that's the kind of world

we have created.

And the world that you if you could wave

a wand now and create a different world,

which I know you're trying to do. In

fact, you're

you're building a

a city in America, right? You're part of

a project.

This is what I find so fascinating

because

I look at the way we've designed society

and we're so

it's so stubborn in the way we've

designed it. I often wonder if we're

going to have to go back to a blank

canvas and redesign it again from the

ground up.

That's never going to happen. Where is a

blank canvas? How do you create a blank

canvas? It's never going to happen.

somewhere or not? You have to slowly see

the thing is

this happened. Can I tell you a joke?

Please.

One day a cardiologist, a famous

cardiologist, a doctor, went because he

was driving an Aston Martin and it gives

trouble, you know.

He went to the garage.

And the mechanic said,

"Yes, doctor.

Leave the car here. Evening, I'll have

it ready."

The doctor took the taxi and went to the

hospital and came back in the evening.

The mechanic had not even touched it.

Then I said, "Hey, why is it not ready?"

"Oh, no, doc. This is this that.

Tomorrow morning, I'll have it ready."

Tomorrow morning, he came. Car was not

ready.

Said, "Hey, what are you trying to do?

Why is it that you're not doing?"

Then the mechanic said, "Huh.

See, I fix your engine.

You pay me 500

pounds.

But you fix somebody's heart and they

pay you 50,000 pounds.

Why is that? You fixing an engine, I'm

fixing an engine."

Doctor said, "Try to fix it when it's

running."

If you could demolish everything and

rebuild, it's very easy.

The thing is you have to rebuild it when

it's on. That is the whole challenge,

isn't it? That goes for individual human

being, that goes for the society, that

goes for the world.

We have to rebuild it when it's still

functioning.

After you demolish means are you

inviting a nuclear holocaust so that

later on we can rebuild it?

Not a good idea.

No, that's not what we want.

And that's why the practice that you

described Yes. matters because we can

matter even if you're manning a nuclear

bomb. Let's say it's your job to press

the button. You're waiting there.

If you are miserable, frustrated,

depressed,

even without a command, you may press if

it was in your hands. Sometimes it may

happen.

But if you're joyful,

blissful, naturally you look at See,

this is something people don't

understand. People think love brings

them happiness. It's not true.

If you're very joyful, you will look at

look upon everything in a loving manner

because what you call as joy, love, let

me put it this way.

If your body becomes pleasant,

we call this health. You want it? Yes.

If it becomes very pleasant, we call it

pleasure. You want it? Yes.

If your mind becomes pleasant, we call

this peace.

You want it?

Only to create pleasantness in your

surroundings

do you need the cooperation of various

people and many forces around you?

But to create pleasantness in your body,

mind, emotion, and energy is 100% your

business. If you were the only person on

this planet, would you know whether

you're good or bad?

No, I wouldn't know. So, it is only by

comparison that you know that you're

good.

But if you were the only person on this

planet, if you were joyful, would you

know you're joyful? Yes.

That's important. So, you're saying

focus on joy and how we feel versus good

or bad.

No, I don't I'm not saying focus on joy.

I'm just saying you understand this.

Your interiority

can happen 100% your way if you're

willing.

External things will not happen 100% our

way. We have to strive. Some things

happen our way. Many things don't happen

our way.

But internally if you're happening your

way, you will keep yourself very

pleasant. When you're pleasant, we can

expect pleasant things from you.

When you're unpleasant, I expect

pleasant things from you. Where is it

going to happen?

People in the name of religion, in the

name of love, in the name of caring,

they've done terrible things, isn't it?

Most horrendous things have been done.

A question I've often asked myself is am

I You talked about like fake purpose a

second ago.

How do How do I know if the Cuz when you

interview people and you say like,

"What's your purpose or what's your

mission?" They'll sit here and they'll

give me lots of things, right? Some of

them might be, "I want to help people."

fooling around. I have no mission. No,

no, not you. I'm saying

you ask a kid on the street, "What's

your mission?" Younger kids these days

will say they they want to save the

world or they want to they want to be a

public speaker or they want to be a

YouTuber.

Do you view those as

fake ambitions in

that from confused people?

Hey, I I did not say fake ambitions.

The thing is

you're making up a purpose to bring some

meaning to your life. Yeah.

What you need to understand is life is a

phenomena beyond all meanings. Meanings

is an element of your mind. Only human

mind needs meanings.

Sun comes up in the morning. Doesn't

need a meaning.

Full moon out there. Doesn't need a

meaning. Tired. Doesn't need a meaning.

Only place where you need a meaning is

your head.

Your mind needs a meaning.

Why? Have you seen this?

You've been at some point, at least for

a moment, you've been very joyful,

blissed out.

You've been. At that time, do you ask

what is the meaning of life?

No. No, only when you're miserable, it's

important.

So, you create one problem and then you

create another problem and another

problem and you think it's a solution?

No. Meaning is a serious problem.

Meaning has become meaningful for

somebody only because they're in some

way distressed. The The process of life

and the experience of life has become

burdensome. Why am I carrying this?

I want a meaning for the burden that I'm

bearing.

If life was a blissful process, why

would you care what is the meaning?

So, when people People must ask you all

the time, "What's the meaning of life?"

And you must then Does that suggest that

they are

absent of bliss?

See, this meaning problem is a very

Western problem. In the Eastern world,

we don't ask for meaning.

We are always looking for profoundness

of life.

What's the difference?

The difference is digging deeper into

yourself and creating something around

your head are two different things.

Meaning is So, meaning is looking

outside for a reason.

Outside or inside, doesn't matter. But

you're trying to build a psychological

solution to an existential reality.

And you have to accept that existential

reality.

The existential reality is you don't

know where the hell you came from. And I

don't know where I'm going. And you

don't know where you're going. You're

just here for a brief amount of time.

And you think you're the center of the

world. That means you must be very

religious because it's the religious

people who went on propagating that this

planet is the center of the universe.

Though in India

for over 6,000 years,

people have known planet is round and it

goes around the sun. Clearly, there are

drawings and there are books. There are

documents which clearly say that.

But people who are following dogmatic

religious processes, they propagated

that this is the center of the universe.

Now, will they say we said what is wrong

and apologize for that? No.

Because when I think I'm the center of

the universe, I will be doing so many

idiotic things.

You must apologize if you are the one

who taught me that nonsense.

So, life

doesn't have a

birth given meaning.

This happened. There was a bishop in

Istanbul.

At that time, it was Constantinople.

You know, I'm I'm in I'm not trying to

insult any community, but this actually

happened, so I'm quoting that thing. In

1924,

this bishop was part of the Greek

Orthodox Church.

Very Orthodox Church and he's a bishop,

so all his life he's a man of cloth. He

was there. But being in Istanbul,

you know, all these exotic stories come

wafting across the Bosphorus

from

about the mystics, about the yogis,

about many many things. India is full of

stories like this.

And for ages these things have been

coming and excited people to travel to

the East, all this stuff. So he always

wanted to go to India and meet a real

yogi or a mystic.

But being a man of cloth, he couldn't

decide where he goes and doesn't go.

When he was over 60 years of age, he got

an opportunity to go to India. He went

to southern India and found a good guide

who could guide him.

And the guide took him and said, "See on

this particular mountain, if you go this

way, this way, this way." He gave all

the landmarks. "If you go there, there's

a cave. There there is a yogi. That is

the man you're looking for."

So our bishop went all the way up.

Mountains are not kind to people who

lived in churches or in indoors, you

know?

They don't care who you are.

They trouble you. So with great

difficulty he went up.

When he went to that place, just outside

the cave, a yogi was sitting totally

blissed out with his eyes closed.

So you the bishop had heard that if you

see a yogi, you must prostrate before

him. So he went down and he was not fit

for those kind of postures, but with

great difficulty he went down huffing,

puffing, he stood up again.

Hearing all the commotion, the yogi

opened his eyes and smiled.

Then the bishop asked, "Can I ask you a

question?" This is a first introduction.

The yogi laughed and said, "Well, by all

means you can ask a question."

Then the bishop asked, "What is life?"

See, as a human being, you have the

intelligence to ask this question when

you were 8 years of age.

Well, in your childishness you missed

it. At least when you were 16, you

should have asked.

Definitely you have the intelligence to

ask that question. But now you're well

over 60. Now you're asking, "What is

life?" But it's okay. It's better late

than never, you know?

So when he said that, yogi went into

raptures. Ah, ah, life. Life is like

the fragrance of jasmine

uh you know, upon the gentle prince

spring breeze.