The Treatment That Took My Anxiety From 8 to 1
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There is something that some of your
listeners may have never heard of which
is accelerated TMS. TMS stands for
transcranial magnetic stimulation. It's
a type of brain stimulation
that has existed for decades. But the
hardware and the software, everything
about these technologies has improved
dramatically in the last 5 to 10 years,
particularly in I would say the last 5
years thanks to certain researchers like
Nolan Williams out of Stanford who sadly
passed away in the last 6 months and
others. But what accelerated TMS looks
like is typically up to, let's just call
it maybe one or two years ago.
Accelerated TMS takes
what you might do in conventional TMS
over several months where you go in and
you you have this paddle put against
your head. It produces a magnetic field
that just to keep it very simple either
uh excites or inhibits certain parts of
your brain, certain types of circuitry
and that can be applied to depression,
it can be applied to neurodeenerative
diseases. In fact, in some cases it can
be applied to anxiety, OCD and so on
depending on the target where where you
place these coils.
And in the case of accelerated TMS,
you're taking what you might do over 3 4
5 months and you're compressing it into
one week. So every hour on the hour, 10
hours a day for one week, you're going
in and getting, let's just call it a few
minutes, 3 to 9 minutes of pulses on
your brain. And then you take 50 minutes
off, you go back in, you get hit again.
>> [snorts]
>> And that has been referred to at least
in one format, the Saint protocol, S A I
N T. They've shied away from it, but it
was developed at Stanford. And the Saint
protocol in many, let's call them
patients produces
70 80% remission of depression that is
quite durable. It's not one shot, you're
done. Typically, people will, let's just
say, do a 5day sequence. Then they might
go in and have one to three-day booster
sequences 3 months, 6 months later. Um,
and
this technology has tremendous effects.
I've experimented with this over the
last handful of years, and the first
time I did it, it had near miraculous
results. I had I went from having
severe and I've been officially
diagnosed, so this is not uh just
throwing it around loosely, but you
know, moderate severe OCD with lots of
rumination. I'm not flipping light
switches or washing my hands, but I have
these ruminative loops that I get caught
in. People, I'm sure some listening can
identify with this where you just can't
turn off these kind of compulsive
thought loops. Could be a grudge, could
be a fear, could be something you're
planning for, could be a conversation
you need to have. It just loops and
loops and loops, which causes insomnia,
which causes
uh fatigue and just general
uh the general wearing down of the
system, which leads to depression.
That's I've realized that's my sequence.
It actually starts with anxiety, not
depression out of the gate. And I was
having, let's just call it seven, eight
out of 10 symptoms when I went in to the
first treatment I did of 5 days. That's
really severe for people who are
not clear. Like it's really, really
severe. Like it's affecting every aspect
of my life. Had the treatment. There was
a delayed onset. And even the scientists
most involved with this don't really
have a great explanation for how or why
this would happen. But nothing really
happened for 2, three weeks.
[clears throat] and then
flipped a switch and had basically zero
anxiety, zero rumination for let's call
it 3 to 4 months. I've never experienced
anything like it and that includes
psychedelic assisted therapies which I
know very well and have supported a lot
of science u underlying.
Now this is a bit of a long answer I
realize but for people who are
interested I really recommend the
conversation I did with Nolan Williams.
Then there are different types of
hardware. But I tried it then with
boosters several times afterwards. Null
effect. Zero. Didn't work.
>> And I started to
lose hope again because I thought this
was going to be a replicable,
reliable tool that I could use. I was so
excited.
And then I did a hailmary kind of last
ditch
round with the accelerated TMS recently.
I did this in Northern California. And
instead of doing 5 days, so keep in mind
it's like, let's just call it 3 months
of TMS gets compressed into 5 days.
Instead of doing five days, I did one
day, but I predosed with something
called descloer.
And descerion
or DCS as it's sometimes referred to in
the literature is a in many ways an
antiquated antibiotic that used to be
used for tuberculosis
uh and sometimes urinary tract
infections which affects the NMDA
receptors in such a way. I think it's a
partial antagonist. It might be an
agonist so don't quote me on it. But the
the point is this this little drug that
is not typically used anymore
is a catalyst for neuroplasticity.
And when you take this beforehand,
you can do something like one day of
accelerated TMS. And sometimes the
results are better than what you
previously, let's just call it seven
years ago, would get from 3, four
months. And I did one day and Dan
this time around boom it was just like a
switch basically the next day and it has
now been 2 or 3 months and I don't want
to set expectations that it'll be this
way for everyone. It seems to be
particularly effective
yes for depression but it seems to be
particularly effective in a very small
sample size at this point for anxiety
and OCD. uh and
man it's just it's just a different
life. It is a different life. So all of
those things in combination plus the
basics right the kind of basic
macronutrients of health exercise
etc etc etc diet and so on um are just
are just doing their job together. The
last one I'll throw in and then I'll
shut up because I realize this has
turned into a TED talk is um
intermittent ketosis. So, the ketogenic
diet and ketosis overall, which can be
achieved a few different ways, which I'm
in right now, is absolutely phenomenal
for addressing a lot of psychiatric
pains, psycho emotional pains that are
failing to be treated by medication. And
there's something called metabolic
psychiatry. Chris Palmer out of Harvard
and other have have looked at this very
closely. All right. Thanks for coming to
my TED talk.
>> I just want to assure you TED talks are
welcome here. Yeah, you're a podcaster,
you know. Uh [laughter] um long answers
are fine. Um so please delete that sheep
sheepishness from from your mind. Um
>> all right, we'll do
>> I have a million follow-up questions.
Let me just say just high level,
a different life. Those three words
really
>> I just makes me very happy to hear that.
>> Thank you.
>> What's going on?
>> Thank you. Thank you, Dan. Yeah, it's it
is impossible, I think, to overstate the
difference between an 8 out of 10 of
nonstop ruminative
monkey mind with a fixation on things
that are anxiety producing to getting to
like a one or two out of 10. Like those
are two different lived experiences.
They are not
>> they they are so far apart from each
other. It's it's really remarkable.
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The speaker discusses accelerated Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation (TMS), specifically the Stanford-developed SAINT protocol, which compresses months of traditional treatment into one week. He details his personal struggle with severe OCD and ruminative anxiety, explaining how a combination of one-day accelerated TMS and the neuroplasticity catalyst d-cycloserine provided significant relief. The conversation also explores metabolic psychiatry, particularly the benefits of the ketogenic diet for treatment-resistant psychiatric issues.
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