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The Treatment That Took My Anxiety From 8 to 1

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The Treatment That Took My Anxiety From 8 to 1

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There is something that some of your

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listeners may have never heard of which

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is accelerated TMS. TMS stands for

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transcranial magnetic stimulation. It's

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a type of brain stimulation

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that has existed for decades. But the

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hardware and the software, everything

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about these technologies has improved

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dramatically in the last 5 to 10 years,

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particularly in I would say the last 5

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years thanks to certain researchers like

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Nolan Williams out of Stanford who sadly

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passed away in the last 6 months and

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others. But what accelerated TMS looks

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like is typically up to, let's just call

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it maybe one or two years ago.

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Accelerated TMS takes

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what you might do in conventional TMS

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over several months where you go in and

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you you have this paddle put against

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your head. It produces a magnetic field

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that just to keep it very simple either

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uh excites or inhibits certain parts of

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your brain, certain types of circuitry

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and that can be applied to depression,

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it can be applied to neurodeenerative

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diseases. In fact, in some cases it can

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be applied to anxiety, OCD and so on

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depending on the target where where you

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place these coils.

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And in the case of accelerated TMS,

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you're taking what you might do over 3 4

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5 months and you're compressing it into

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one week. So every hour on the hour, 10

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hours a day for one week, you're going

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in and getting, let's just call it a few

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minutes, 3 to 9 minutes of pulses on

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your brain. And then you take 50 minutes

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off, you go back in, you get hit again.

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>> [snorts]

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>> And that has been referred to at least

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in one format, the Saint protocol, S A I

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N T. They've shied away from it, but it

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was developed at Stanford. And the Saint

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protocol in many, let's call them

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patients produces

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70 80% remission of depression that is

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quite durable. It's not one shot, you're

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done. Typically, people will, let's just

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say, do a 5day sequence. Then they might

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go in and have one to three-day booster

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sequences 3 months, 6 months later. Um,

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and

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this technology has tremendous effects.

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I've experimented with this over the

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last handful of years, and the first

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time I did it, it had near miraculous

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results. I had I went from having

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severe and I've been officially

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diagnosed, so this is not uh just

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throwing it around loosely, but you

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know, moderate severe OCD with lots of

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rumination. I'm not flipping light

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switches or washing my hands, but I have

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these ruminative loops that I get caught

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in. People, I'm sure some listening can

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identify with this where you just can't

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turn off these kind of compulsive

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thought loops. Could be a grudge, could

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be a fear, could be something you're

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planning for, could be a conversation

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you need to have. It just loops and

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loops and loops, which causes insomnia,

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which causes

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uh fatigue and just general

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uh the general wearing down of the

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system, which leads to depression.

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That's I've realized that's my sequence.

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It actually starts with anxiety, not

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depression out of the gate. And I was

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having, let's just call it seven, eight

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out of 10 symptoms when I went in to the

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first treatment I did of 5 days. That's

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really severe for people who are

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not clear. Like it's really, really

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severe. Like it's affecting every aspect

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of my life. Had the treatment. There was

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a delayed onset. And even the scientists

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most involved with this don't really

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have a great explanation for how or why

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this would happen. But nothing really

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happened for 2, three weeks.

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[clears throat] and then

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flipped a switch and had basically zero

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anxiety, zero rumination for let's call

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it 3 to 4 months. I've never experienced

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anything like it and that includes

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psychedelic assisted therapies which I

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know very well and have supported a lot

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of science u underlying.

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Now this is a bit of a long answer I

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realize but for people who are

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interested I really recommend the

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conversation I did with Nolan Williams.

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Then there are different types of

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hardware. But I tried it then with

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boosters several times afterwards. Null

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effect. Zero. Didn't work.

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>> And I started to

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lose hope again because I thought this

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was going to be a replicable,

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reliable tool that I could use. I was so

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excited.

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And then I did a hailmary kind of last

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ditch

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round with the accelerated TMS recently.

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I did this in Northern California. And

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instead of doing 5 days, so keep in mind

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it's like, let's just call it 3 months

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of TMS gets compressed into 5 days.

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Instead of doing five days, I did one

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day, but I predosed with something

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called descloer.

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And descerion

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or DCS as it's sometimes referred to in

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the literature is a in many ways an

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antiquated antibiotic that used to be

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used for tuberculosis

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uh and sometimes urinary tract

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infections which affects the NMDA

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receptors in such a way. I think it's a

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partial antagonist. It might be an

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agonist so don't quote me on it. But the

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the point is this this little drug that

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is not typically used anymore

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is a catalyst for neuroplasticity.

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And when you take this beforehand,

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you can do something like one day of

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accelerated TMS. And sometimes the

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results are better than what you

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previously, let's just call it seven

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years ago, would get from 3, four

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months. And I did one day and Dan

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this time around boom it was just like a

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switch basically the next day and it has

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now been 2 or 3 months and I don't want

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to set expectations that it'll be this

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way for everyone. It seems to be

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particularly effective

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yes for depression but it seems to be

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particularly effective in a very small

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sample size at this point for anxiety

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and OCD. uh and

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man it's just it's just a different

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life. It is a different life. So all of

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those things in combination plus the

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basics right the kind of basic

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macronutrients of health exercise

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etc etc etc diet and so on um are just

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are just doing their job together. The

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last one I'll throw in and then I'll

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shut up because I realize this has

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turned into a TED talk is um

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intermittent ketosis. So, the ketogenic

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diet and ketosis overall, which can be

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achieved a few different ways, which I'm

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in right now, is absolutely phenomenal

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for addressing a lot of psychiatric

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pains, psycho emotional pains that are

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failing to be treated by medication. And

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there's something called metabolic

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psychiatry. Chris Palmer out of Harvard

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and other have have looked at this very

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closely. All right. Thanks for coming to

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my TED talk.

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>> I just want to assure you TED talks are

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welcome here. Yeah, you're a podcaster,

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you know. Uh [laughter] um long answers

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are fine. Um so please delete that sheep

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sheepishness from from your mind. Um

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>> all right, we'll do

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>> I have a million follow-up questions.

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Let me just say just high level,

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a different life. Those three words

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really

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>> I just makes me very happy to hear that.

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>> Thank you.

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>> What's going on?

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>> Thank you. Thank you, Dan. Yeah, it's it

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is impossible, I think, to overstate the

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difference between an 8 out of 10 of

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nonstop ruminative

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monkey mind with a fixation on things

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that are anxiety producing to getting to

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like a one or two out of 10. Like those

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are two different lived experiences.

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They are not

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>> they they are so far apart from each

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other. It's it's really remarkable.

Interactive Summary

The speaker discusses accelerated Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation (TMS), specifically the Stanford-developed SAINT protocol, which compresses months of traditional treatment into one week. He details his personal struggle with severe OCD and ruminative anxiety, explaining how a combination of one-day accelerated TMS and the neuroplasticity catalyst d-cycloserine provided significant relief. The conversation also explores metabolic psychiatry, particularly the benefits of the ketogenic diet for treatment-resistant psychiatric issues.

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