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All right, supplements.

So, how long have you been involved in

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you always taken them? Oh, it's all in

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Now, at least I'm more convinced cuz

there's a lot of volume here.

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>> Obviously, there's a lot of stuff like

if you took every vitamin that I take

every day and you busted them up and put

them into a powder form, it would be

like this.

>> Exactly. So, it's 70 plus vitamins in

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cuz I was doing so many a day

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>> So, you're involved in this company. Did

you guys ever send this stuff out for

third-party testing? Do you ever do

that?

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he's like, I want the best of the best.

I don't care what it costs. And then

he's like, wait a sec. I think I can

make a business out of this.

So, that's where we're at.

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>> Ooh, I like not thinking.

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>> when I know if you're you're a very

reputable and ethical guy. You know, if

you're involved in something, it's going

to be legit, anyway. So, that's cool to

know. How long have you been taking

supplements? Have you been

a vitamin guy forever?

>> Yeah, you know, I cycle in and out like

anything.

I I My my non-negotiables typically are

fish oil,

um vitamin D,

um I take, you know, MNN or NAD,

>> Mhm.

>> uh and then glutathione. My dad was

always a massive glutathione guy.

>> Yeah, there's a lot of real health

benefits to glu- glutathione. Espe- I

think especially liposomal glutathione,

which is I think more

bio-bioavailable.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

>> That's awesome, dude. Good for you. I I

think every And don't listen to your

doctor. If you have a doctor like I had,

my doctor said, "All you need is a

balanced diet. Most of those vitamins

you're just going to pee out." And I

looked at him like, "Dude, you look like

shit." You [laughter] look I didn't say

it, but I'm trying to be nice. You had a

pot belly. Like, this is crazy. You have

zero muscle.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> And you're telling me about balanced

diets. Like, this is bananas, dude. And

now that I look back on it, he was

probably how old I am now.

You know, and he looked like [ __ ]

There's a lot of doctors that don't

understand that if you want to optimize

your health, it's not about what the

100% of the you know, you F- USDA or

whatever it is, the the requirements.

Like, there's real science on what the

right doses are, and you can find it.

It's just complicated. You got to go

online, and you got to go, "What's the

optimum dose of vitamin D? Are there

dangers of going above vitamin D? Are

there benefits of having a high level of

vitamin D?"

>> Sure.

>> Like, if you really want to do it right,

you should work with a wellness clinic

and have someone go over your blood

work. Fortunately, we have Ways to Well

in Town, so I do it with them.

>> Yeah.

>> They go over your blood work. They'll

actually make you a vitamin that's

designed specifically for what your body

needs. They'll encapsulate it all in

pill form, tell you how many to take a

day, and they'll send you like a bag of

vitamins. It's amazing.

>> Yeah, I've been actually I've been

actually thinking about doing that test

cuz

there's certain doctors that'll tell you

your sort of your blood type will

dictate what you should be eating.

>> Mhm.

>> And I've never really got that done. Or

no, and I know certain people just are

like this is a game changer.

>> how much of that is voodoo.

>> It might be

>> You know. It kind of makes sense though

if your ancestors came from a specific

part of the world. You know what I mean?

>> Yeah.

>> Like we know that's the case with

alcohol. Like people whose ancestors

came from a society. Yeah. Well,

societies that didn't normally drink

alcohol like particularly Native

Americans had a really hard time with it

cuz they just weren't built to

metabolize alcohol. They didn't have it

as a part of their world. And I guess if

you're in a

part of the world where your ancestors

ate mostly meat. I bet your diet should

probably be mostly meat. I bet it fits

right in there.

>> Yeah.

>> you come from a place where they ate a

lot of specific kinds of grains like I

would I would wonder like

how much of that stuff is real. Like

blood type versus what food you should

eat. Cuz everybody should What everybody

needs proteins, amino acids, vitamins,

you know, and all that stuff you get

from fruits and vegetables and meat and

food and fish and eggs.

>> I mean if you're if you're looking at

the blue zone, right?

>> Yeah.

>> They essentially have a variety of a

Mediterranean diet. It's a kind of a

variety of everything. They don't just

eat red meat, but they eat a lot of

fish, but they do eat red meat and they

do drink wine.

And they sort of have this diet that is

kind of a bunch of everything. And

you know, there's a bunch of other

factors as well. You know, purpose,

>> physical activity,

>> physical activity, community,

>> I think a a big one with all these blue

zone people is they're just eating real

food.

>> Yeah.

>> That's the real problem. What What

people need to truly get into their head

is the majority of the American diet as

delicious as it tastes is like

>> garbage.

>> It's bad for you. It's actually bad for

you. It's not good for you. Real food is

good for you. If you go and you have a

grilled chicken and some avocado and a

nice salad and a glass of sparkling

water, that's actually really good for

you. Whereas versus if you go and have a

[ __ ]

Jack in the Box double cheeseburger with

bacon and whatever sauce and eat the

fries, like that's poison.

>> It's delicious poison.

>> Now, I will say, I just got

[clears throat] back from Europe.

My body there feels so much better. And

I eat pretty healthy, okay? I eat

healthy here and I eat pretty healthy

there.

>> Yeah, everybody has the same story.

>> So, what's going on?

>> It's our food. Our food is bad. It's

There's a guy who broke it down.

Remember that dude with the cowboy hat,

Jamie?

Remember that cat who's really good at

breaking down nutrition facts?

He broke down what

>> the gluten is. The glyphosate, right?

The just

>> bromine, there's a bunch of the other

compounds, there's a bunch of

preservatives. All that stuff is, again,

bad for you. And And all these people

that live in like Italy and live in

these Mediterranean diet places, what

are they eating? They're eating food,

actual food.

>> Yep.

>> Real food.

>> But, it's not just It's not just that.

It's like the way the dairy's processed,

right? So, you know, and I I actually

went to a cheese factory in Italy a

couple times ago in Europe. And I asked,

I said, "Why can my stomach tolerate

this and not in America?" And they're

like, "Well, first off, we the process

of making this cheese is like 4th to 6

hours in the morning every day, and it

gets the lactose out. Whereas, we just

slap it in and send it out, you know?

And it's like that's not worth it.

>> cheese. You know, I had a

This I bought a house from this guy who

was from France, really cool guy. He was

a doctor, very interesting dude.

I got to know him, got became friends

with him. And he's he would smuggle

cheese back from France because it was

literally illegal to have that cheese.

This is California, 2003.

>> Oh, really?

>> Illegal to bring that cheese into

America cuz it was raw. It hadn't been

all the biology in it hadn't been

killed.

>> Okay.

>> So like when we're drinking raw milk,

what you're getting is all the enzymes,

you're getting it and people can say,

"Oh, you are you a baby cow? You should

be" like it's really good nutrition. Raw

milk is good nutrition. There's calcium

and protein and fats, milk fat, it's

good for you. It tastes good when you

drink. If you're drinking a glass of

homogenized pasteurized milk, your

body's like, "What is this?"

>> Yeah.

>> Like this is milk that can just sit on

the shelf for months? That's crazy. If

you get raw milk, I get it on a

Saturday, by Wednesday or Thursday it

gets a little sketch.

>> Oh, yeah.

>> It starts stinking. That's the That's

the cat. So this dude, listen to the

Listen to what he says.

He's So he's talking to this guy.

>> I've been gluten-free

>> This guy's talking about how he's eating

bread over in Europe.

>> In America,

can't eat it.

>> That's because in America, what we call

bread can't even be considered food in

parts of Europe. See here in America,

it's not so much the gluten as what

we've done to the grain. About 200 years

ago, we started stripping the bran and

germ or the fiber and nutrients to make

flour shelf stable, also nutritionally

dead. Because the nutrients were gone,

we enriched it with folic acid, which a

large majority of the population can't

even metabolize. Therefore, many people

experience fatigue, anxiety,

hyperactivity, and inflammation. But

then the bread wasn't white enough, so

they bleached it with chlorine gas. Then

the bread didn't rise enough, so they

added a carcinogen called potassium

bromate, which is banned in several

countries like Europe, the UK, and even

China. Then we wanted to ramp up

production, so we started using

glyphosate to dry out the wheat before

harvest, causing endocrine disruption

and damaging your gut. So now you're

bloated, brain fog, tired, and blame

gluten, but gluten is just the

scapegoat. The real issue is

ultra-processed, chemically altered,

bleached, bromated, fake vitamin-filled

wheat soaked in glyphosate. This isn't

bread. This is.

>> Uh I need to get

>> Shout out to this guy. His name is Danny

Dore. Uh

Danny d e n n y _ d u r e on Instagram.

It's got to

>> [ __ ] with the audio there cuz that song

will

>> Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, the [ __ ] yeah. So

what I get from that? And I have seen

this actually. Damn it.

>> It's just essentially pure greed to keep

bread shelf stable for longer.

>> Well, it's their business model, right?

So their business is set up on shelf

stable stuff that And the problem is it

was it was green-lit, right? So the

problem is whatever year they started

doing that, they built their entire

business on doing it that way. So this

was the argument when RFK Jr. came in

and said you have to stop using these

dyes for children cereals.

>> Yeah.

>> And they were saying they were saying

this is going to ruin our business. And

he was like, you already make the same

kind that we're asking you to make for

Canada because Canada doesn't allow them

to use the dyes. The same cereal they

make in the United States and it looks

not as good cuz it doesn't have the

juicy, delicious, bright, vibrant dyes

that give you [ __ ] cancer.

>> Yeah.

>> But the reality is it's just their

business model. They're set up to do it

a certain way and to change would be

very expensive. So what do they do? They

[ __ ] hire lobbyists. They hire

lobbyists, they get their guys into the

FDA, they get their guys into this

organization, that organization, and

they make sure that they're protected.

And then we keep eating dog [ __ ] and we

keep getting poisoned. And you go to

Italy and you have a spaghetti and you

feel great. You know, you don't feel

like you got shot with a tranquilizer

dart. You know, it's kind of amazing.

>> And there's a dart in your neck, man.

>> about it so many times you go over there

and you're like, why am I living the way

I live?

>> Yeah.

>> These people are just hanging out,

having a good time, having a cigarette,

laughing.

>> That shouldn't even be a thing we're

arguing about. I don't even understand.

It's just like that gets lumped into

that. It's like, no, that's for the

betterment of society.

>> Yeah.

>> What?

Like why is that a thing?

>> Yeah, we live in a weird world, man. A

world that doesn't completely make

sense. And then on top of it, it gets

connected to political ideologies. So it

used to be that the people on the left

were really concerned about healthy

food. Like when I was a kid, we used to

go to the health food store. My My

parents were hippies, and they would buy

like whole wheat bread, and you know,

like they would try to buy like organic

food. Like the

And that was the thing on the left.

Avoid chemicals, avoid processed foods.

And because this it's all these

movements are connected with Trump and

RFK Jr., there's so many people that are

rejecting something that's beneficial to

everybody because somehow or another

they they have this connected to some

right-wing anti-science position. Like

God, you guys are getting brainwashed.

We We should all be eating organic food.

That should be the only food. We've

We've We're not doing that, okay? And

it's one of the reasons why we're some

of the sickest, fattest [ __ ] people

on Earth, while also being the most

wealthy country.

>> Yeah, uh group think is like a crazy

thing. It's a

It's

It's It's kind of It's really sad

because people aren't really actually

thinking critically about each subject.

They're just jumping onto something

they're they've been told, or is in

their echo chamber, or whatever. You

know what I mean? I like to think no

matter what issue it is, I'm like,

"Okay, well, let's evaluate that. Let's

kind of look at both sides. Maybe

there's like And maybe there's some in

between." That's

Both things can be true.

>> Yes, for sure. And that's a problem if

you if there's something that's accurate

that the other side is saying, and

you're rejecting that because it doesn't

align with your political ideology,

that's bad for everybody. Like I think

the group think that we have to all

really align with is the group think of

being open-minded. Being like true

actually open-minded and willing to

accept different ideas, and also

recognize that you are not your ideas.

Your ideas are just thoughts. Do not

connect yourself with them.

>> Yeah.

>> You are you. And if you really want to

have a stable you, you want to be proud

of what you are, you should be

completely detached to ideas.

>> Yeah.

>> You should know which ones are accurate

and which ones aren't based on

information, based on the reality of

whatever whatever we're talking about,

whatever subject matter is. But the

reality is like you can't be married to

your ideas because they'll [ __ ] you.

They'll [ __ ] you over every time. It's

like it's not

>> going to work.

>> Yeah.

>> You have to be flexible and you have to

be willing to say, "Even though I hate

this guy, he's right about that." It's

very important.

>> it's okay to be wrong.

>> Yeah, even though I think this guy's a

piece of [ __ ] when he say he lies about

a lot of things, but that thing that

he's saying is actually true.

>> Well, here's an even to go even a little

more maybe an unpopular or some people

don't talk about is

they divide,

in my opinion,

to control. If you don't have division,

that's when the pitchforks come out. If

you don't have the illusion of choice

and a team,

that's when

you're like, "Well, [ __ ] that. They're

taking our money. They're We're paying

all these taxes. We're doing these

things. And we actually don't have a

choice."

>> Right.

>> Maybe that's the reason it's, you know,

there's these teams, red and blue.

And it's actually just one higher group

that are actually making decisions, the

big money.

>> Yeah, well, well, for sure they benefit

from people being at each

[clears throat] other's throats. They

benefit from culture war stuff. They

they benefit from people arguing over

whatever it is, pride month or whatever

it is.

>> Black Lives Matter.

>> They they benefit

>> Rile rile people up and then people are

thinking about this and this instead of

hey, like this is actually going on.

They're not talking about that.

>> Yeah. I mean, look, every time there's I

mean, when Clinton got caught with

Monica Lewinsky, they started bombing

like right afterwards.

>> [laughter]

>> That's the real power, right?

>> That's what they do. It's a good move.

It's a good move to distract people. Cuz

otherwise that that shit's going to stay

in the news cycle until something big

happens. So, you got to make something

big happen.

>> Yep.

>> Yeah, it's a We're We're involved in a

game and we don't think it's a game. We

think that what we're doing is trying to

make the world a better place and vote

for people that have similar values.

That's not the game they're playing. The

game they're playing is let's pretend

that we care. Let's pretend that we want

to fix the homeless problem. Let's

pretend we want you to have health care.

Let's pretend. But meanwhile, they're

a good percentage of them are demons.

They're They're just sociopaths,

completely devoid of any feelings of

what the consequences of their action

are going to have on people's

livelihoods, losing their homes, losing

their businesses. They don't give a

[ __ ] They care about their own career

and they want to keep on trucking till

they become the king of the country. And

that's what they're trying to do and

that's a giant pile of these [ __ ]

demons. There's a lot of them out there

that think like that. And then there's

there's real good people that get

involved in politics as well and

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>> No, it was we were actually talking

about it. My buddy gave me a lift here

today on his plane and he's a very

wealthy, successful guy, but he was

getting riled up about

some trans thing and an issue and I and

I was like, why do you think you get

riled up about it? I was like, do you

think that

maybe that's just a cause for division

and that like what you know, like if you

get upset about a sound out of someone's

mouth when you think about it, it's kind

of like from a 30,000 ft level, it's

like you're getting riled up about an

idea about a sound that's coming out of

someone's mouth.

>> Right.

>> Like you're letting that affect you?

>> Right, and it's not affecting your real

life.

But you're choosing to focus on that.

And it is an issue, but is it an issue

that's of paramount importance in your

life when you're on your own private jet

flying somewhere?

>> I was I was I couldn't thinking about

like I was thinking about I was like,

you're this you know, especially

billionaire and you're upset about that

and I go, you're wasting your time

thinking about that instead of a million

other things we could talk about or

think about?

>> Yeah.

>> interesting.

>> Well, it's

I mean, it's always been a tool. As much

as we like to say, "No, these are real

issues that we face. We really have a

real cultural issue that we have to I

get it. That's true." But however, you

have to recognize that that tool has

always been used by dictators, by

>> Art of war.

>> Right. I mean, it's the from the

beginning.

>> Yeah, and it's important and it's one of

the beautiful things about our country

uh is that we have two parties. So, it's

so easy to do cuz it's just good guys

and bad guys. There's no good guys, bad

guys

>> in between.

>> pretty reasonable guys that are

pragmatic, we know how to kill folks. I

like them. Let's go to the

>> [laughter]

>> Let's go to the

>> Let's go to the discipline side. But no,

it's like you you can only be on the

right or on the left. And if you're on

the right, you get lumped into these

crazy people that, you know, have these

big Jesus rallies and they talk in

tongues and you get lumped in with white

nationalists. You get wiped in lumped in

with Christian nationalists that think

that the 10 Commandments should be in

every school and no one should be able

to practice any other religion as a

Christian Christian country. There's

people that really believe pushing that.

That you get lumped in with them, too.

When you just like, "Hey, I think the

Second Amendment's important." You know,

like, "Oh, you must be a far-right wing

conspiracy theorist." Like, "Oh, come

on."

Like, you can't always count on the

cops, you know? You you should be able

to protect yourself cuz bad people have

guns. It's that simple. It doesn't mean

you're going to use them all the time.

Like, this is crazy. You could kill

people with a variety of different

methods. You know, you don't you don't

need to lump everything into right and

left, but people do.

They do because they're being told to.

You know, if you're on the left, you

have to accept, you know, trans women

are women. You have to There's a whole

bunch of Like, they're kind of moving

away from that now in a big way. They're

moving away from the competitive thing.

Like, with trans women competing in

school athletics and cuz it's like after

a certain amount of [ __ ]

championships, you know, you just got to

go, "Hey,

>> Come on, guys.

>> that's a guy."

>> That's a guy

>> [laughter]

>> fighting women.

>> Be sweet. Those people have always

exist, but also you're letting them into

the women's room and now you get a

pervert who just say they're trans and

then go in the women's room, too. Like,

you didn't think about this.

>> Yeah.

>> The fact that they never factored in the

one segment of society that has always

been the the most hated and the the most

like looked out like make sure that they

don't come near you,

psychopathic perverts.

Like, psychopathic perverts that prey on

men. Guys that want to go in women's

bathrooms. Guys that want to like grab

women after bars. Those guys have always

been terrifying.

>> Yeah.

>> And we just gave them a Willy Wonka

golden ticket. Just wear a dress.

Like imagine you're a [ __ ] old school

pervert and you're 80 years old. You're

like, "Fuck, I missed the boat."

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah, you've been in and out of jail for

doing all kinds of

>> [laughter]

>> creepy [ __ ]

Pretending you're a woman.

>> I think we should just be able to hunt

hunt them.

Like for real. I would lose zero sleep.

>> Real perverts, yeah.

>> Like the thing is like

>> child molesters? People like

>> No problem. Just let's go hunt them.

>> Well, they're broken and I don't know

how you could ever think you're going to

fix them. And then there's this weird

trend where in some academic circles,

they're trying to label them as minor

attracted persons.

Which is just so this thing of just

empathy falling into chaos. Like you

have so much empathy that you're willing

to ignore, you know, all kinds of Like

what's going on in the UK with the rape

gangs? They're willing to ignore it

because they don't want to be seem

deemed as being racist. They don't want

to be deemed as being Islamophobic.

Like, okay.

>> Yeah. That that is that breakdown of uh

culture and because of,

you know, some very extreme groups

is pretty scary.

>> It's scary.

>> It's super scary.

>> It's scary because it [clears throat]

can happen anywhere in the world. It can

happen in America, too. And if you think

it can't, you're nuts. And the beautiful

thing about America is you're supposed

to be able to practice any religion you

want. You're supposed to be able to be a

Buddhist.

>> You're supposed to be able to be a

Baptist. No one should care. And we

should all be able to get along. It

should be a true melting pot. But

there's other organizations that have

different plans, and their plans are to

take over cities. Their plans are to

take over cities and change the laws.

And we were talking about with Tim

Dillon what happened with Dearborn,

Michigan. All these like liberal people

like, "Yeah, we love Muslims. Everyone's

amazing." So they got a Muslim mayor,

and the first thing he did is like no

more pride flags. This shit's illegal.

Cuz

what he would like is Sharia law. Like

that if you ask the majority of

practicing Muslims like worldwide, how

many of them would like Sharia law? And

it's it's a it's not a small amount. You

know, that's their religion. That's what

they But the problem with that is like

you can't push that on other people. If

you want to have your mosque and you

want to pray five times a day,

wonderful. You should be able to do that

100%. Everybody should appreciate the

fact that there's also also different

ways of uh

worshipping God.

Great. I don't know who's right. But as

soon as a culture starts taking over and

putting in values that first of all

grossly

Yeah, grossly deteriorate women's

rights. Grossly.

>> That's bad. That's when it falls apart

completely.

>> Well, and that's their culture. And you

have to understand that that's they've

accepted. When they're wearing those

traditional head garbs and body

coverings, that's their culture. And

they want women to dress like that. And

you know, we have to stop that from

spreading. Like you should be able to do

it if you want to. But the idea that you

can take over a town or take over a

city, that's a flaw in our system.

Because

every city should have the the same sort

of national rights. Every city should

have the rights that we have where you

can wear whatever you want to wear,

practice whatever religion you want to

practice, and you shouldn't be

persecuted one way or the other.

>> Yeah.

>> But when you get a country like England,

it just lets them in.

Mass migration. And then you're ignoring

the chaos that comes with it.

That's not good. And that makes you

wonder like are they wanting the society

to deteriorate to the point where they

can say, "Hey, we're going to make new

laws to protect you." Because

>> Mhm.

>> you need to protect so you have mass

surveillance everywhere, more police on

the streets, more people getting

arrested.

And in England, you know, they're also

getting arrested for social media posts.

>> I've I've been I've been hearing about

that. Yeah.

>> Oh, it's not more than China, more than

Russia, more than Russia and China

combined.

>> Yeah. It seems It seems as if, you know,

the the grab for power is is just, you

know, done in plain sight now.

>> Yeah. And I hate to say this, but they

don't have the second amendment.

It's part of the problem.

Part of the problem is you're not armed.

So, like, when [ __ ] goes sideways,

you don't have a lot of options, you

know? And what are you going to do?

We'll all get together with shovels?

What are you going to do?

Grandpa's got a bird gun. Let's go get

Grandpa's bird gun. [laughter]

[ __ ] what are we doing?

>> Get Grandpa's [snorts] bird gun.

>> That's the way to keep the police out of

your town.

>> [laughter]

>> Yeah.

Yeah, it's uh it's not good. I think

hopefully there's enough sensible people

where we're going to come out on the

other end of this, but it's going to be

real hard with this right right versus

left [ __ ]

>> well, but, you know,

you know, not to like toot your own horn

here, but voices like yours are really

important because you examine a lot of

different people, and you've pulled in

like almost I was thinking about the

other day, like an encyclopedia

of different type of people and

different types of subject matter where

you can type it in a chat GPT and I'll

say, "Can you tell me about this thing

that, you know,

and then they'll Oh, would you want to

hear a 2-hour podcast that Joe did about

it with the expert of such and such?"

And that's pretty cool because then it

expands people's minds. It's much easier

than having to,

you know, go and and read about

something. You're like, "Oh, that's an

interesting point."

>> Well, if it gets people stimulated,

that's great. But, the reality is we

should be teaching people to think

correctly from the time they're young,

and I think we're spending way too much

time giving them information and not

teaching them how to think correctly.

>> Yeah.

>> And not also, like,

um

you know,

giving them something that excites them,

and giving them something that they they

can understand why it's important to be

interested in something. Like why it can

benefit you, how it can stimulate you.

Try new things out. Like, oh, this is

exciting. I feel better. I like feel

good. Like people like tasks. They like

that. And we should be taught that from

the time we're young. Instead, we're

we're just basically groomed to becoming

workers.

>> You know, it's interesting is I So, I

turned 40 in March and I decided I was

going to take the year off. And so,

essentially 39 to 40, right?

Because I've been working head down for

20 years. Hadn't looked up. We've been

living out of a suitcase, movie to movie

to movie to movie, you know, blah blah

blah blah blah.

And I thought it would make me it would

give me better perspective. It would

maybe whatever,

you know, where's then where am I going

in the next 10 years? It's kind of my

thinking.

Uh

and I actually got more depressed.

>> [laughter]

>> I was like, wait, what the [ __ ]

[clears throat] is going on? I feel more

depressed. And it kind of just goes back

to

just stay busy. Get up and do [ __ ]

>> Well, the thing is you're busy, but

you're busy doing what you love. And

that is a gift. That's a real gift. And

we're both very fortunate in that

regard. And anybody who's listening to

this that actually does what they love,

whatever it is, beekeeping, carpentry.

If you're doing what you love,

you're so lucky.

>> Create. Go out and create. Don't take.

>> Yeah.

>> Be a creator in in anything. Like, if

you're a plumber or whatever, you know,

fix someone's pipes.

>> Yeah.

>> Have a purpose and create. Don't take.

Oh, there's takers and there's creators,

you know? It's like I was actually

listening to a podcast and guy said that

and I was like, yep, that's it. If you

create, you're exponentially happier, I

think. Cuz you're

you're giving society something it

didn't

>> to the people that are interacting with

you with whatever you're doing. Yeah,

and that's good for you, for sure. And I

think um unfortunately,

I Look, I don't want a the

responsibility be the guy who gives

everybody curious things to think about.

I just

>> the only I mean, you're not the only

person.

>> No, of course.

But I I really think that this kind of

thinking, the kind of thinking that lets

you explore things and get you

interested in things should be in

schools.

Instead of just forcing [ __ ] history

down their throats and math down their

throats, give people the tools to be

excited about things. Show them cool

[ __ ] So so cool [ __ ] where they realize

like, "Oh, learning about things is

actually really interesting." You know,

it just has to be something you're

interested in and then they'll realize

like, "Oh, I can get good at stuff. I

can pursue something instead of just

being a cog in the wheel like most

people feel." Most people feel like [ __ ]

the economy sucks. I just got to get a

job and then

then you just get home and you just want

to play video games or do something to

stimulate yourself because you hate

jobs. And then next thing you know,

you're 35 and you don't know what the

[ __ ] you're doing and you're stuck, you

know, and that's a lot of people. A lot

of people listening to this right now.

And it's cuz they were never instructed

how to think about things. They were

never instructed

to try to find something that you're

actually interested in.

>> Get the job. Go do the thing. Go do the

thing. Go do the thing. Yeah.

>> Whatever it is, man. Be in a [ __ ] car

mechanic. Whatever whatever thing you're

interested in. There's got to be a

thing. You just got to find that [ __ ]

>> good at anything. And that will produce

money. It's like it the the I also part

of the problem is culturally I think we

we place too much value in like becoming

rich and oh, you got to do this. And

it's like, "No, no, no. Hold on. Don't

miss the point.

Get good at something in

you'll that you love and then that will

produce If you get good enough at

anything, you'll make money out of it.

>> For sure, but the problem is like with

kids,

it's everything today they want it fast,

really fast. They want Ozempic, right?

They don't want to go on a diet. They

want

get, you know, whatever it is.

Fill in the blank with whatever thing

that they want to get really fast with

scams, crypto, anything where they're

going to get rich quick. You know,

whatever they got to do to get rich

quick. Because it's like this this Tik

Tok mind culture where people just want

that easy quick fix in a pill instead of

doing the work.

When you think about a job or going down

a career path like acting for instance,

like what you did. First of all, you did

it, you would think, oh, great. Clint

Eastwood's his dad. He'll help him.

>> I made it worse.

>> [laughter]

>> People are like, no, dude.

>> But you had to prove that you were a

really good actor for like a long time

before people go, oh, yeah, Scott's

actually really good.

>> [laughter]

>> Because it's always going to be your

Clint Eastwood's kid.

>> Oh, yeah.

>> You know, and then he didn't [ __ ]

help you. But like your grind was I know

you. Your grind was years and years and

years and years and years and years of

just [ __ ] hustling and and putting in

the work. Most people see that and they

go,

>> Wait, how long is it going to take?

What?

>> 14 years? 20 years? What?

>> Like when we talk to comics, that's a

big big thing that comes up in comedy

clubs. Like most comedians say a comic

isn't even really a comic till 10 years.

>> 10,000 hour rule, right? I mean,

>> I don't know if that's real.

>> No.

>> There's something to that. There's

something to reps, for sure. But I think

intention as is as important as what the

hours are, you know, just the amount of

time.

>> Yeah. Like if you're just mailing it in

in the gym, it's [snorts] not the same

as

>> Yeah.

>> to build this or get really good at

that.

>> Yeah, 100% especially skills related

things.

>> Yeah.

>> Like jujitsu is a perfect example that

jujitsu

100% you get better the more you do it,

but 1,000% if you drill correctly and

you have like mastery of the

fundamentals of the techniques like you

really truly understand like leverage

points, where you're supposed to be,

when it's secured, when it's not, when a

there's an escape, when there's no

escape. If you don't understand that,

you're just rolling around and just like

resisting hard with people. And you'll

get somewhere, but you won't get nearly

as far as you would get with focused,

really systematic breaking down of

techniques. So, it's like the 10,000

hour thing is it's there's something to

it. The more you do it, the better

you'll get. But really, it's the

intention that you put into each and

everything you do. That is as if not

more important than the time. Like it's

amount of it's about it's about

enthusiasm. It's about enthusiasm and

your willingness to like look at it as

objectively as possible.

You know, especially if you're like with

jiu-jitsu is a thing it's like your

ego's involved cuz you don't want to get

tapped out and you don't want to get

humiliated. And so, you don't want to

try things, so you keep a a tight game,

and you never grow. And it's your ego

actually holds you back by that. And

that but telling people that it's going

to take that long if you knew how long

it would take to get to black belt,

you're like, "Oh god, it's too much

work."

>> Well, also I think the thing you you

realize, you know, as your ego gets

stripped from you doing jiu-jitsu is

that you realize, you know, like don't

matter what level I'm at, there's always

going to be

1,000 more guys above that level that

will still choke me out. And you're

going to you realize how much

how like you're like, "No, I kind of am

a pussy." You're like, "I'm not, you

know, I'm not as tough as I you know,

you know now." You really know.

>> Well, I really know because I work for

the UFC.

>> [laughter]

>> Yeah, you know. It's like

I'm we're always around like every

weekend dozens of guys who can kill me.

>> Yeah.

>> And then there's people that can kill

them, which is crazy. It's like there's

levels to levels, you know? When a guy

like Ilia Topuria knocks out Max

Holloway, you're like, "Whoa." And then

Justin Gaethje beats up Ilia Topuria,

you're like, "Whoa." It's like there's

so many guys out there. You you have to

be humble. And it's good for you. It's

good for you to not be delusional.

>> Yeah.

>> But what my point was for young people

they have to get interested in the path.

It can't be just the results. And the

path is really where you grow and you

you become something special in life.

You have to be on that path for a long

ass time and try to keep getting better

at it with every

every day. Every every effort you put

into it, do it whatever the [ __ ] you're

doing, do it to try to get better at

that thing. And eventually success will

come.

You're going to have to manage that

success. You're going to chase it.

You're going to have to figure things

out. But the most important thing should

always be the path.

>> Mhm.

That's true.

>> Yeah, I think that's in everything and

anything you do. If you're making music,

if you're writing books, it can't be I'm

going to sell a million copies. It's got

to be I need to [ __ ] make this the

greatest literature that's ever been

read.

>> But I think I I also think we need to

push

because of this whole like quick money

and and and thing,

the the morals and codes people have

are not taught enough

to young people. You know, do the right

thing. When you say you're going to do

something, be there. When you make a

promise, do it, complete it. Don't just

you know, people just are so sue-happy

and this culture of of you know, oh

whatever, [ __ ] them, we can just do

whatever we want. It's like that's

[ __ ] terrible behavior to put out to

young people. You know, you

>> Yeah.

>> You've got to have a code and a value

system. That's what my dad I mean he was

so you know, you make a promise, that's

all you have in this life is your word.

So it's like you got to do something.

You got to like

>> Your dad should have been president. Why

didn't he run for president? He

>> Cuz he did cuz he did politics.

>> He would have [ __ ] won. I know he was

the mayor of Carmel.

>> Yeah. And then he said, never [ __ ]

again. Yeah, it's because he realized

it's people like what

>> He would have been a fun president,

though.

>> [laughter]

>> Yeah.

>> He would have been, you know.

>> Yeah. I don't know if I would have liked

it, though. Then it would have been like

everyone

>> No, you had

>> Everyone would have come after me for no

reason.

>> Bro, you would have been Don Jr.

>> [laughter]

>> Oh, Jesus.

>> Would have been in the box.

>> up into some crypto scheme.

>> [laughter]

>> Everybody would hate you.

>> Making billions.

>> Yeah. Geez Louise.

Yeah. [clears throat]

Yeah, politics are dirty.

>> I wouldn't have done it either if I was

him.

>> But, you know, like when Ronald Reagan

ran, a lot of people like, "Finally.

Finally, a guy who like is good at

acting."

>> [laughter]

>> I mean, that's kind of what the

president is. It's a role.

>> Oh, yeah.

>> Part of it is a role.

Like you're playing a leader. And the

way you behave is like you have to It's

very formal. The way you communicate is

very formal.

>> Yeah.

>> You know? And actors are going to be

better at that.

You know? Like Josh Brolin, that guy

could be the president. 100%.

That dude could kill it as the

president. He's got the voice.

>> got the voice, yeah.

>> Didn't he play a president in the George

Bush movie? Yes. That's right, he played

Bush. Yeah, he could be president.

You know?

>> [laughter]

>> I know they tried to get The Rock to

run.

>> Yeah. Yeah, I think he was thinking

about it.

>> Yeah, not much. He told me like, "Fuck

this."

>> Yeah. [laughter] Or maybe he was just

hyping it up. He was kind of He was

toying with He was like, "Yeah, I'm

going to do it. I'm going to do it."

>> very smart with social media. He's He's

a wizard at that stuff, but I think he's

too smart to run for president.

>> Yeah, you don't know how many people

hate

>> like

get that giant ass pro wrestler. Get

that guy. He should be our president.

>> [laughter]

>> At least we know that our president

could [ __ ] up all the other presidents.

That would be nice.

>> No, that's what I'd like to see. I'd

like to see some sort of version. It's

like, "Okay, great. You got to be smart

enough, but you also have to maybe do

some sort of like fight or some sort of

>> Yeah.

>> physical like competition. Because you

can't just be You know, you got to be

athletic, you got to be you know, that

would be cool.

>> It's a great show anyways.

We should really make them do about 7 g

of mushrooms. Anybody wants to be

president. You do 7 g of mushrooms, we

film it, we we do it in a dark room with

infrared cameras or you know, night

vision cameras.

>> Freak out.

>> Yeah, yeah, we want to know how well you

handle God.

>> But also expand your mind a little bit.

Don't be so rigid in your ways, right?

>> Yeah, well, also I think a lot of those

people would benefit from a psychedelic

experience cuz it would just make them

realize that like there's a lot more to

the world than you can see right in

front of your face and you don't think

that until you have it and then you have

it and you'll never think any

differently again. You're always going

to be like, okay. There's a part of this

that's not real. There's a part

>> Oh, no, I did I trust me, I did the I

did 5 MEO. And it was I mean, that was

some life-changing stuff.

>> Well, you feel like you're dead when you

take that stuff, right? That's the first

thing you think like, oh my God, I

killed myself. Yeah. Like I'm not around

anymore.

>> Yeah, and and and

I think what was the most powerful thing

was

when you come back, it's it felt like

seeing the world for the very first time

again. Like first time you saw grass,

the first time you saw the sun, the

first time you felt the wind. I mean, I

I cried, I bawled for 45 minutes in my

buddy's girlfriend's arms after I did

it. And I was like,

I'm just so

>> got uncomfortable after about 5 seconds

of this guy.

>> They're like, okay.

>> on the couch.

Why you hugging my girlfriend, bro?

>> [laughter]

>> You handsome bastard.

>> [laughter]

>> Get off of her.

>> But it was powerful and

>> Well, your your ego is completely

shattered after that stuff and you

probably weren't even thinking of who

you're hugging. You just want to hug a

human. And it's the the feeling of it is

so like you're a part of everything in

the universe and there is no there's no

like particular destination. It doesn't

exist. You're a part of everything all

at once. It's a very strange feeling.

And no one ever is ever done it and go,

"Ah, I didn't think it was that big a

deal." Like everybody who does is like,

"Wow."

>> Yeah.

>> Like I've known I know a few

uh

prominent right-wing people

that have done it. They have completely

changed their life.

>> Yeah.

>> A couple of them don't even talk about

it, so I don't want to mention any

names, but then they want to talk to me

about it.

And they're like, "Yeah, so I'm

I'm a different person now. Like whoever

I used to be, I'm not that guy anymore."

Like that's that's cuz once you know,

once you know that you really are a part

of the whole universe and it's like all

the molecules, everything everywhere is

connected. There is no space. There's no

space between anything. Everything is

filled with something.

>> Yeah.

>> It's all a soup. It's a giant soup of

energy and vibration and

>> It kind of made kind of actually made me

sad for the people who will never try it

and are so dealing with so much pain or

dealing with such a rigid thinking or or

whatever it is

that it could help them.

And I was like, "Oh man, that that is

sad."

>> The rigid thinking is a big one. It's

interesting that it's becoming much more

accepted to talk about. You know, I I

see

like grown adults who are very

successful, who run businesses, and they

talk about psychedelics. And uh when I

was young

when people talked about magic mushrooms

or anything like that, it was always

like you were a fool. You were a crazy

person who wanted to like trip and see

things that weren't there. It was never

like you were trying to expand your

consciousness and you were trying to

you just enrich your experience in life

and and have a better perspective and

ego death and all those things that

people are trying to do and be more

connected to God.

But now it's commonly discussed. I It

comes up all the time. So, the public's

perception on this has really radically

shifted in my lifetime. And I think

it's because of the internet. I think

it's really It really started to change

where I heard I heard people talking

about it in the early 2000s.

And it was um even before social media

because there was a bunch of articles

that were written and a bunch of people

were talking about positive psychedelic

experiences and people were talking

about how it helped them to quit heroin.

And people were talking about all these

different things that were connected to

mushrooms in particular, but then

all the Terence McKenna stuff that he

was talking about uh DMT and um LSD and

a bunch of different psychedelics that

have helped him. And so, all this stuff

started getting out there and then

YouTube. And with YouTube and with

podcast, then people really started

hearing about it from people like

Michael Pollan. And you're like, "Whoa,

Michael Pollan is a very respected

journalist. Like, what is he talking

about? He's running wrote a book about

psychedelics called Change Your Mind?

Like, what?"

And so, it's now where rational,

intelligent, educated people are free to

talk about it and they often do. And so,

that's just alone gives me

hope because I feel like that's a that's

a big change in how people view

something.

>> Well, was it um [clears throat] and I

don't I don't exactly know the history,

but I I've heard

uh

was there alcohol lobbyists that were

trying to kind of suppress, you know,

weed use this I mean

>> The alcohol lobby has

>> Did they did they also go to

psychedelics as well where they

>> They haven't yet. No. Um well, I'm I'm

sure they are leaning in the direction

of it not being legalized, but the the

problem with alcohol and marijuana is

that places that do have uh legal

marijuana, you see a diminished alcohol

intake.

>> Sure.

>> The the diminished alcohol intake is

measurable. It's like they cost them

money.

>> Yep.

>> It's real.

You also have the darker thing, which is

prison lobbies.

>> Uh is that

>> Explain.

>> Yeah, they lobby uh prison guards

unions. They lobby. There's a bunch of

people that lobby to make marijuana laws

keep them on the books so that they can

keep locking people up.

>> Sure, cuz that's a massive business,

right?

>> Yeah, their business is peop- keeping

people in cages, which is really [ __ ]

crazy.

>> Yeah, that's pretty messed

>> It's really crazy that someone is who's

in the business of locking people up can

actually lobby to make sure more people

get locked up.

>> That's I mean that's

>> locked up for something that no

>> Nonviolent crime?

>> Yeah, and especially marijuana. Like

most Americans don't think that you uh

that it should be illegal. It's a It's a

large number. It's like more than 70% I

think. Like what was the What's What

amount of Americans think that marijuana

should be legal? Let's see if there's a

poll. Put that into Perplexity. See what

the the universe says. I would say it's

about 67% of Americans think marijuana

should be legalized.

>> Legalized.

>> Yeah.

>> What do you think about it? What do you

think about all drugs being legal?

>> It's a tough argument because for sure

you're going to lose some people.

>> Mhm.

>> If you make all drugs legal, look, if

they made drugs legal right now, I'm not

going to go buy heroin. I'm not buying

fentanyl. All right? I'm not I'm not

into meth. I'm not interested. If I

could go to the pharmacy and pick up

meth, I'm not going to pick it up, but

some people will. 70% 70% of Americans

say marijuana should be legal in general

according to recent Gallup poll. If you

include people who support either

medical or recreational legalization,

it's 88 to 89%.

Uh US adults say marijuana should be

legal in at least some form with only

about 11% wanting it to be completely

illegal. And those people need to try

it.

>> [laughter]

>> So look, I'm actually pot [snorts] never

agreed well with me. And I think I have

uh

I always I get a little scared and

paranoid sometimes where it I was like,

maybe I have

like a propensity to like some sort of

schizophrenia or something. I was like,

"Ooh, I don't This isn't I was like, "I

don't like this. This made me kind of go

skyco-schematic and

>> So, did it just make you scared or did

it like distort reality for you in a way

that was

>> No, I don't I don't I don't know if it

distorted reality. It just got my brain

you know, it got my brain so

freaked out about

things that were out of my control.

>> That's the part I like.

>> Now I can see why because [laughter]

like, you know, mushrooms

they make you face some things that

you're going on in your life.

>> Yeah.

>> And I think that's healthy.

I don't know. Pot just never agreed with

me.

>> I think what I like [clears throat]

about it is when it wears off.

I like

>> [laughter]

>> I like that fear. I I like like Joey

Diaz says, "Go meet the devil."

I think there's some there's some

benefit to freaking out cuz then it

calms down and you have more

perspective. But I think what's going on

is

you really can't think about all the

threats of the world and all the

problems in the world and all the things

that can go wrong in your life. You

can't think about those on a regular

basis. You got to kind of put your

blinders on and keep on trucking. And

then marijuana's like, "What's that in

the corner of the room that you're

scared of?"

AND YOU'RE LIKE,

>> [screaming]

[laughter]

>> BUT I WILL SAY, AS YOU KNOW, important

like before the the frontal cortex is

like fully developed because there is

some danger for young men specifically.

>> Yes.

>> Right?

>> Yes.

>> And and schizophrenia and like, you

know, some stuff that can come if you're

not I think it's with anything, right?

>> Yeah, I don't know what causes

schizophrenia, but it's really bad for

brain development for especially young

people that smoke regularly. It's not

good for you. It's just not good for

you.

And um I know that's hard for people to

hear cuz they want to get high. Just

trust me. If you're getting high all the

time when you're 14 years old, it's

going to [ __ ] your head up. Yeah. It's

not good for you. It's just not good for

your brain development. It's one of the

most important things about you as a

human being is your ability to think

well. It's very important.

>> 100% it's your operating system. Don't

don't screw it up before it has a time

to like

>> And just for heehees and hahas because

you're bored in math class you want to

get high all the time?

>> [laughter]

>> You know I mean people have done it and

got away with it and they're okay, but a

lot of people have not. And you you

don't want to sabotage your whole life

just cuz everybody you know is getting

high. It's just not worth it. And that

also goes with alcohol.

There's young people that are like 14,

15 years old that are getting drunk four

or five times a week. Like don't do it,

man. I'm telling you it is [ __ ] bad

for the development of your brain.

Whatever you Look, maybe you have a very

high potential. Maybe your brain maybe

you're always going to be smart and

you're going to be fine, but I guarantee

you where if you're getting drunk all

the time and getting high all the time,

wherever you would be is not where you

are. You might be still a very high

intellect still very smart. You would

have been smarter. Your brain would have

functioned better. You would have

probably had a better perspective.

It's not good for you.

>> Yeah.

>> And you know, we glamorize it for kids.

Like the kids at parties drinking,

having a good time. It's [ __ ] bad for

you. Don't do it.

>> yeah, wait.

>> But you can't you also can't tell them

don't drink because if you tell them

don't drink they just want to drink. You

just got to kind of inform

[clears throat] them.

>> your Europe tends to have like a better

it seems as a whole. I'm sure they have

their problems too, but it seems like

yeah, you know, they ease into it,

right? Have a little like less is more

without like with anything actually less

is more.

>> Yeah.

>> It's not forbidden. So you can have a

glass of wine with your family when

you're 11, 12 years old. You know, it's

not it's not that big a deal.

>> That Protestant culture we have is is

very rigid and it's very like don't do

this or you're going to die and it's

like

>> drug addicts and hoes

>> [laughter]

>> because people just want to not listen

to their parents. They just want to do

something that's [ __ ] like whatever

you're doing, I'm doing the opposite cuz

you are [ __ ] annoying and you've been

the bane of my existence. As soon as I

get out of this house, I'm smoking

crack.

>> [ __ ] you, dad. You don't know what

you're talking about.

>> So to get back to your question, um the

problem with legalization is you're

going to have a bunch of people that do

drugs that wouldn't do drugs normally

because it's legal.

>> But what about what about when you're of

age? Like I don't know, call it 25.

>> Yeah, but even then, you're going to

have a bunch of people that don't like

their life and just decide to go to the

corner store and pick up some heroin.

However,

what you're not going to do is empower

the drug cartels and organized crime and

that's what we're doing now. So in one

way or another, people are going to get

drugs. So how are they going to get

drugs during prohibition? Well, they're

going to get drugs from criminals.

That's what they've always done. That's

what they did during the alcohol

prohibition.

It's what people do. And when you've got

a multi-billion dollar industry, maybe

trillion dollar industry, right next

door to us, which is Mexico, and they're

just bringing it through, bringing it

through. Like what are we doing? We

empowering them or would you rather have

it legal and have a substantial portion

of those profits, block out everything

that comes in illegally, have a

substantial amount of those profits put

to rehabilitation and treatment.

>> Mhm.

>> Yeah, I was also I was also thinking

from a like a quality perspective, too,

right? Like you're like, "Hey, that's

cool. We get it. People are going to do

this, but we're going to monitor it and

make sure it is what it says it is."

>> Yeah.

Look, alcohol's legal. There's a lot of

people that don't drink. They don't like

it. They don't like the way it makes

them feel. They don't like the way it

makes them act. They say stupid things.

They feel like [ __ ] in the morning. They

don't drink.

That will be the same with cocaine. That

will be the same with heroin. However,

there's some people that are alcoholics.

And alcohol is legal and it's everywhere

and these people will hit bars and get

[ __ ] up every night and their life is

going to be a mess. They're going to die

of liver poisoning. That's normal, too.

It's It's unfortunate, but you can't

nerf the world.

>> Yeah. Yeah, you got to you got to like

trust a little bit that

>> Yeah, it would be really hard to sell to

America that um cocaine, heroin, and

meth are now all legal. It'll be really

hard to sell to them.

>> Yeah. But I think

>> ultimately

it'd probably be better for us.

>> these other things that

>> Those are less

troublesome, you know, not a lot of

people are dying from MDMA, but the

people definitely abuse it. They

definitely get addicted to it. They're

doing it all the time.

Apparently that whole thing about making

holes in your brain is [ __ ]

>> Oh, really?

>> Yeah.

>> That was a campaign?

>> Oh, [clears throat] I think it was

probably just some internet horse [ __ ]

Let's Let's find out what it does MDMA

does. Does MDMA cause holes in your

brain? Put that in there.

See what Perplexity has to say. I think

they've proven that that's not the case.

>> couples therapy, right? I mean that was

the the impetus of the whole thing.

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>> Yep.

>> MDMA. There's something about MDMA's,

the empathy that it gives you, the

compassion it gives you. It lets you

drop a lot of things that are in your

head. No, MDMA does not literally punch

holes in the brain that would show up as

empty gaps on a scan. But a high or

repeated doses can get damage serotonin

neurons and alter brain signaling,

especially with heavy use.

So, the holes Where did the holes idea

come from? Anti-drug companies

popularized dramatic brain scan images

that were described as showing holes,

but these were actually areas of reduced

activity or reduced binding of certain

markers, not physical gaps in brain

tissue. Still, that sounds bad.

Reduced activity, reduced binding of

certain markers, that sounds terrible.

>> I chalk up all this is like

moderation to everything.

>> Yeah.

>> Less of everything. It's like

I disagree with some people that I

really trust, you know, you know, um

what's his name? Dr. Paul Saladino? Is

it Paul?

>> The carnivore doctor?

>> Yeah. I really like most of what he

says, but he's like, "Don't drink." And

it's like, it's like, "Well,

maybe if also it's maybe it's pretty

nice to have a glass of wine. It's nice

to laugh with friends. And it's nice

like that's important, too, in life. And

I think balance

we can you tip the scale one way if

you're totally extreme, and then you're

just like the social life and you're you

know, you can't, you know, go out and

like, you know, really enjoy yourself

for a second.

>> Yeah. Moderation.

>> Moderation.

>> And you're absolutely right about social

life being loneliness kills people

quicker than anything else.

>> 100%.

>> Yeah. People that are lonely, they have

uh they die younger than people who

smoke cigarettes.

>> Isn't that crazy?

>> Yeah. It's bad for you.

>> Yeah.

>> It's Being lonely is actually bad for

you. Feeling bad is bad for you. I mean,

it seems like it should be, right? It's

bad. Feels bad. Probably bad for you.

[laughter]

Feeling good is good for you. So, a

little tipsy with your friends, you're

laughing, "Bah, I love you. I love you,

too, bro." It's great. It's great. It's

great for people.

>> Yeah, you're going to feel like [ __ ]

Take your electrolytes. Take your Take

your electrolytes, drink a lot of water,

get in the [ __ ] sauna.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah, don't do it every day.

>> Don't do it every day.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> [laughter]

>> Get an IV.

>> Yeah.

>> Dave Chappelle taught me that trick.

When I was touring with Dave, all he

would do is like after shows, they would

just get IVs. He would get vitamin IVs

in the morning. They They would get it

all the time. To big bags of glutathione

to deal with the alcohol.

>> [laughter]

>> Yep. Yep.

>> Uh you'd go into like Dave would have a

room. You'd go into the room and there'd

be like eight of us there all hooked up

to IV bags, talking [ __ ] It was fun.

>> That sounds good.

>> But it's smart. Like that's how you

counteract the fact that look, he takes

a lot of There's a lot of benefit,

particularly for his job, right? Like

Dave's job is being silly and pointing

out ridiculous aspects of our society.

What better way to do that than to be

talking [ __ ] with your friends with a

couple drinks in you.

>> Imagine all the things you would have

missed.

>> Yeah.

>> That wouldn't have and been in your

comedy, that wouldn't have been in your

life. And you You've just I got to go

home now. It's 8:00. I got to go home.

You're like, "Well, that's

>> Exactly. [clears throat]

>> You become a boring person, too.

>> But there's also balance. Sometimes you

have to realize like, "Oh, I've done

this dance before. I got to get up at

6:00."

>> Yeah.

>> See you guys.

>> Yep.

>> There's good to that, too. It's like you

have dis- you have to have discipline,