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>> Good to see you, my friend.

>> Yeah, you too.

>> Young Jamie.

>> So, I stopped you. We were getting

coffee. I said, "Stop. Hold this." So,

what were you saying? Um, which one

first?

>> The prostate one.

>> Okay. So, the prostate one.

>> Let's go straight to the dick.

>> All right. Uh,

>> that is not really the dick. It's like

it's behind the dick.

>> So, this would be

>> I'm an anatomist.

>> It is behind the dick.

>> Is that a word?

>> Anatomist.

>> Uh, autopsy.

>> So, bladder contains approximately five

milliliters of cloudy yellow urine. The

prostate is slightly and diffusely

enlarged with marked enlargement of the

vermontum.

That's how I would have said it.

>> Uh, the testes are unremarkable. That's

the last thing I want anybody to say

about my nuts.

I want them to say, "Wow, what a great

pair.

>> Great body, but the nuts are

>> unremarkable."

>> Unremarkable.

>> Unremarkable. So here is a

some sort of discussion between him and

someone.

>> Okay. Uh the guy says exactly not clear

what effects hormones might have on that

aren't replaced by testosterone. The

advantage of taking testosterone there

are two different things. You can have

high testosterone and still have a need

for Viagra because you don't have a

prostate. Right. And then Epstein says

correct.

>> And then at the bottom they show another

document.

>> Hold on. Let me keep going there. So,

that's an extreme example.

>> Uh, I was actually going to try and move

up one level sort of drug enhancing life

if you don't mind it. He doesn't mind

it. I'm sort of outer space thinking.

Oh, so he's trying to juice up. So, he's

saying I'm moving up one level of sort

of drug enhancing life. I don't know

what I think he means. He's going to

start juicing. That's what it sounds

like.

>> So, he doesn't have a prostate. It says

>> there's another document that says

something about it after a radical

prostatctomy.

>> Prostatectomy.

>> So when they take out your prostate,

>> but that doesn't necessarily say he had

his. I think it's a document,

>> but he said he doesn't have a prostate.

And it says patient Jeffrey Epstein. And

it says according to the American

Urological Association, serum PSA should

decrease and remain at undetectable

levels after radical prostctomy.

>> And there's other documents wherectomy

>> contacting doctors that specialize in

that uh very

uh thing.

>> Okay. So the doctor saying he had a

radical prostctomy.

He's saying he does not have a prostate.

But yet the body from the autopsy

>> and so

>> talks about the prostate is slightly and

diffusedly enlarged.

>> So that's not his body. That's what it

seems like.

>> I don't buy I don't

>> you don't buy that.

>> I don't buy his dead. Why would you?

>> Right. Right. I don't buy his dead

either.

>> Here's the other.

>> But however, hold on.

>> This is from a uh attorney. So this is

like assistant United States attorney or

something.

>> So the OCM told me it signed a

confidentiality agreement in connection

with the investigation into the murder

of Jeffrey Epstein.

>> So almost six months after he died,

>> they're asking for a document about the

investigation of the murder of Jeffrey

Epstein.

>> Was that because there was accusations

that it was a murder?

>> Don't you know? So, we talked about this

before that 18 days before he allegedly

committed suicide, um his uh he

complained that his cellmate tried to

kill him. And you know who his cellmate

is?

>> Who?

>> Oh, you don't know?

>> No.

>> His cell I'm Kurt Madskar. You don't

know? Oh, you don't know. Uh his his

cellmate was this gigantic cop who was a

murderer. He had killed four different

drug dealers. Yeah. He was a contract

killer. This is the the guy. That's his

[ __ ] cellmate.

Look at that gorilla.

>> That's That's a silverback.

>> Yeah. Dirty cop, murderer. And then they

said, "hm, most high-profile witness of

all time, defendant

of all time. Let's put him in jail with

a murderer, a guy who contract kills,

dirty cop."

And then he says they well, the report

was they found him unresponsive with a

noose around his neck or an orange

jumpsuit turned into a rope around his

neck. And then he said that his cell

tried to kill him.

>> My question and in in does anyone really

believe he was in a jail cell? Because I

know if I had the guy that can unravel

entire

government dynasties and take down an

entire system. The last thing, dude,

he's he's somewhere about three miles

underground with maybe a ball in his

mouth with electric rods, you know,

>> or he's in Israel sipping my ties.

>> Correct. Either place, it's like that

video. You said it, you sent this on a

runaround. We're going to ask you one

more time or then we're going to laser

off your nipples. I'm telling you right

now, we need

>> Yeah, I doubt they're doing that to him.

So, it's Yeah, he's he's either in

Israel like you said.

>> If they had that, they would just get

rid of his body. They just

>> You saw the You saw the picture of the

so-called That was him in Israel.

>> I think that's AI.

>> I think it's AI, too. That's a scary

thing with AI.

>> I think it even had a little AI

watermark on it.

>> The one I saw at least. But who knows?

It could be a real picture that someone

put through AI to put a watermark on it

so that people could go, "Oh, it's AI."

>> Right? You don't know. Did you see the

lady that they say looks exactly like

Gain Maxwell? I don't think she looks

exactly like Maxwell. I think she looks

exactly like Golain Maxwell 20 years

ago.

>> It's a deep fake.

>> It's a deep fake.

>> Yeah. Oh, okay.

>> Sam TripleA reposted the guy that made

it he made another video too that was

not as good where he's like looking at

Benjamin Netanyahu on the street. It's

not It's not nearly as good.

>> The problem is the aging. She doesn't

look aged. She looks younger.

>> But I guess that's what happens when you

get out of jail

>> and you get more attractive. Yeah. He

get food, he get sunlight, makeup, a

little a little uh exercise,

>> taking some yoga.

>> Um, yeah. Is there any video of him in

jail? Is there are there any photos of

him in jail? I've never thought about

that before, but what you're saying is a

good point. If you Joe, if you held if I

let's say you were the person that had

all this incredible information around

the world, bribery, do you really think

you take drug lords, you're not killing

them? You need the information. So,

you're going to bring him somewhere.

You're going to milk him to it. However

that is, whether he's tied up, whether

he's you're going to torment him, be

like, "Listen, I'm telling you right

now, we're going to take care of you.

However, I need to know." You say

there's tapes, right? Yeah. Where are

the tapes? Write them down. And you're

going to stay. Don't feed him. Don't

feed him until we get that one tape. And

we have these names in our hands. And

that's probably been been going on even

for for months, for years. You're not

you're not taking someone like that and

going, "Oh, we're just going to put this

very valuable human being into a jail

cell where

>> with a multiple murderer

>> with two guys making $18 an hour are

going to watch it.

>> We're sleeping.

>> But come on, stop."

>> When the cameras are down,

>> stop. They pre-production. All right.

So, let's get the green screen and we

have him walking in here, sir. Is that

look somewhat? Then we can release it

down the road. It's uh it's it's it's

processed Hollywood nonsense. I don't

buy it.

>> Okay. This is assuming though that he

was working on his own, that he had all

this information. So if he's not working

on his own, he's working for

intelligence agency, then they have that

information as well. So along the way,

so there are no secrets that he's

holding. They have all the secrets.

>> This is much more likely.

>> So in order for him to be in the

position that he was in allegedly

>> working for uh intelligence agencies,

working for either the MSAD, the CIA, or

both, all the above.

I would assume that along the way all of

the information was shared. I do not

believe they would let one person have

access to all that information and store

it themselves. I think they would have

access to it at every step of the way.

They would communicate with him at every

step of the way and they would probably

have like if I was running a government

agency like that, I would say tell me

what's going on. What do you have on

Bill Gates? What do you have on Les

Wexner? What do you have on these guys?

What are they willing to do? What about

these scientists? Are they willing to

fill bogus science papers out? And what

what what can we do? Jeffrey Epstein

stashed secret files in storage unit

across US that may include

never-before-seen evidence. Oh,

>> so this came out yesterday that when he

got arrested, he supposedly paid for

investigators to go round up all of his

stuff and put it in various storage

units across the country. Like it's a

wild goose chase now.

And like that it's stuff apparently

maybe no one's ever seen. They don't

know if they're still being paid for.

They don't know if

>> Imagine if they found I mean know those

storage unit shows where they break into

those storage unit shows.

>> I don't understand.

>> And it happened on the real the real

time one

>> like they think they're just getting

like old baseball cards.

>> I heard those shows are [ __ ] My a

friend of mine told me that what they do

is they'll stock those shows. They'll

stock those storage units and then they

pretend that they're buying the storage

unit that's been abandoned and then they

get in there and then they find things.

But those things were

>> Yeah.

>> [ __ ] you.

>> I don't buy any

>> reality TV.

>> I know. But that's awful.

>> Well, it's entertainment.

>> I feel duped.

>> Do you really?

>> I do,

>> Joe. You really thought one time you

thought it was real, not the government

corruption, not all the Medicaid fraud,

not all the immigration fraud, not all

the ICE stuff. No. What really bugs me

is lying on a storage unit show. I just

can't. Or like like a cash cap show.

like are they really contestants?

>> These are our great distractions. These

are a great distractions to keep us from

paying attention. Yes.

>> To what's really going on in the world.

>> The reality TV. There's no there's no

reality.

>> It's all well produced. Wow. How much is

it well produced? Here's the question.

Is it really well produced? Cuz it seems

like this one was a really shitty

production job.

>> That was production. That was a bad That

was like low low. The only guy making it

is the guy that's selling the ads. Well,

not just the guy who's in charge of it

[ __ ] kids,

>> right? So, yeah. So, if this one, why

would you let that guy who's going to

eventually get caught? I would assume if

you're you have a thing for kids, you

have a thing for if you're a pedophile,

>> if you're into like 14-year-old girls,

>> I would assume you're going to get

caught. And if I had a guy like that or

was this at a time where you couldn't

get caught because there was no internet

and then it got to a point where he had

so much power and control cuz he'd been

there for so long they couldn't they

were like oh Jesus Christ we got a

problem. Well he's he's thinking that

criminals they never think they're

getting caught period. Especially like

think organized crime. If you're it's

it's no different like the scenes from

Good Fellas, right? You come here, it's

like what what's the matter with you? I

thought what you show up with a pink

Cadillac. What's the matter with you?

>> Right.

>> What's the matter with you? They can't

help it. He told everyone don't spend

the money.

>> Don't look flashy. He there. This guy

without a doubt.

>> His wife had a main coat on. Remember

that?

>> What? Right. Take it off. Take it off.

He gave it to me for my birthday. like,

"Get up. WHAT'S THE MATTER WITH YOU?"

AND NOW THAT GUY, there's no This guy,

he's just the You remember when the

steroids came out in baseball?

>> Uhhuh.

>> And what' they do? They were like,

"Listen, you got to take a hit. You got

to take a hit. Mark, Barry Bonds, you

guys, you're going to go out. We're

going to front you, but don't worry.

You're going to stay in baseball. We'll

let it it'll go away in about 10 years."

But the owners are not going to get

popped. The people making this the

steroids injected. The people aren't

going to get popped.

>> They got popped. Balco got it. No, they

got the little guys. The little ones.

>> No, no, no. The head of Balco went to

jail. I had him on the podcast after he

got out of jail.

>> What about the owners that knew it was

going What about the agents and lawyers

that are supplying their stuff?

>> No, no, no. Listen, you don't understand

about the baseball thing. The Balo had

developed a Victor Conte who had been on

the podcast before. Yeah. was a

scientist essentially and he had

developed a steroid that was

undetectable because steroids they

detect them based on certain molecules

and if you adjust certain molecules it

doesn't show up in the test. So he

developed this thing called the clear.

He called it the clear because it evaded

tests. Right? This is to evade the test

that

>> the Major League Baseball Association

was doing and any any drug tests cuz

this was a unknown steroid. So this was

not known by the organizations. It was

not known by the team. It was not known

by anybody. People suspected it cuz

Barry Bonds threw grew five hat sizes

>> and gained 50 [ __ ] pounds of solid

muscle. People suspected it, right?

>> But the bottom line is you don't know

what you don't know. And they didn't

know. There's no reason to tell them,

"Hey guys, we're we're giving Barry some

secret steroids." He did this for his

own personal gain because he was brought

to the attention of this Victor Conte

guy who eventually became an anti-doping

guy, which is really weird. He ran

snack, which is this thing that like

helps people like uh detect testing and

and use it, you know, use supplements

that are legal.

>> Sure.

>> But that I don't think that was known by

everybody. I think they kept it all on

the DL because there was such a blight

that was attached to steroid use. You

were a cheater, especially in baseball,

which is like the American pastime, be a

cheater in baseball.

>> Well, I'll tell you this. Um I remember

at that time uh because I was in the you

were in TV world TV world and you

attract all different

>> We did a show well you weren't on the

show back then on hard ball the base was

on hard ball.

>> Yeah. He was on one of the episodes

>> like third. Yes. I remember see I

remember seeing that cuz we'd sit and

watch my wife and I like Joan cuz we

tried out for the same thing and I

rooted.

>> Well, you were in the pilot. Yes, I was

in a pub, but I rooted for everyone I

knew. Yeah. I was just like, "Oh my

god."

>> You always You've always been like that.

>> I I loved that. But back then, like

couple years later, you become friends

with

certain type of people and lawyers,

agents, blah blah blah. And I remember

uh I remember one night hanging out, you

know, kind of like, "Wow, this is so and

so who I don't want to get into names

and all that, but they would go um you

want to hear some crazy phone calls."

Like, "What do you mean?" It's like,

"Boom." And and they they told me 75%.

And I'm like, "What?

>> 75%

>> 75% of whats are on steroids." I'm like,

>> "What? 75 80% baseball. Come on. There's

no way. Come on. And then he'd play a

he'd play a phone message. And I didn't

want to say this for years because I

thought I'd get whacked.

Hey, I love you.

So, I remember them going, "Here, listen

to this." And you would hear like the

wives on my life going, "If he hits me

one more time, oh Jesus, I'm reporting

all you. I'm going to turn it." And then

and then he played the next one like,

"Hey man, we got a big series coming up

with the Dodgers. I need my [ __ ] like

now. I need it by blah blah blah." So

>> who is this person calling?

>> These were ball players calling their

represent representation.

>> So the representation mean their

>> agents. Okay.

>> And lawyers.

>> So maybe the agents are the people that

hooked them up with the people that had

the juice, which makes sense.

>> And then they would talk.

>> But the agents want money.

>> They want money. And now

>> the best way to get money. Guy's got to

hit home runs.

>> He's got to hit home runs. He's got to

start belting the ball. He makes money.

I make money.

>> That makes sense.

>> And we all make money. And then I start

telling if I if I'm not saying this

happened, but if you're an owner, I'm

like, "Hey Joe, I'm just telling you

right now, this guy, you want to keep an

eye on him? He's going to start jacking

20 extra home runs." Really? How's he

going to do that? You'll find out.

You'll You'll We don't need to talk

about that. But next year, if you got

XYZ budget, I think he'd like to play.

So there's there's a lot there's a lot

at play,

>> right?

>> And now you're infiltrating children

because now you're going into the farm

leagues and now you can't make it unless

you start doing that. But that's why I

say someone like this guy with a long

network. There's there's so many

tentacles,

>> right,

>> all over the place, but you always need

the fall guy,

>> right?

>> I mean, was he was he the demon? Yeah,

but there's a lot of demons there. Did

you see that one the email that I sent

you Jamie where he's talking about

children for sex? Do you remember? You

know the email I sent you Jamie?

>> I sent it the other day. I like Well,

that pretty much sums it up then because

he actually said it.

>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

>> Find that. I sent it to you in a text

message. This one's crazy. This one's

crazy. I've heard.

>> So, he's having a conversation with a

woman

>> who says that she heard that there's a

place. Here it is.

>> She's very emotional, kind, loving,

sharp. Uh, I think you could become

friends, too. So, here it is. This a

friend, Alisa, told me about a project

she's doing, researching a really bad

guy that gets children for sex sent to

his island. She almost fainted when I

told her that person is me.

>> Wow.

Like,

yeah.

>> What? Okay. So, that's just there.

>> There's no way to interpret that any

other way. That person is me.

>> That person is me. I

>> children for sex sent to his island.

That person is me.

Holy [ __ ]

>> That That one is [ __ ] crazy.

That's 2018.

>> So yeah, this has been going on for So

this is like right before he got

arrested, right?

>> Supposedly.

>> Did But when did he get arrested?

>> 2019.

>> 2019. one month.

>> Yeah.

>> I don't know. The I feel like it was May

maybe.

>> So, this was like But there was an

investigative reporter that was at the

head of all this. this lady that was uh

really pushing because she had found out

about his sweetheart deal in 2008 and

she started gathering information and

pushing it and that's what led

ultimately I think to his being arrested

or

what I would say is the front of like

hey we're doing things well if there's a

different body that the autopsy had it

makes you question like was he ever in

that cell or was this person who's in

That's how did they sell this person as

Jeffrey Epstein,

>> right?

>> Well, you imagine the guy in the cell

going, "I am not Jeffrey."

>> No, no, I'm not. I know. My name is

Harvey. I live on the upper east side. I

don't know what happened. I got a

speeding ticket and now next thing you

know, I can't go home.

>> Yes. And this poor guy's just getting

railed hard before they're sitting there

and he's tying them up on the thing and

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details. Is there any photos of Jeffrey

Epstein like in that are that are Well,

here's the thing. Are they real?

>> In a jumpsuit like in court in jail

getting arrested is

>> No, there's I was trying I'm looking for

>> when you arrest big figures. He was a

big figure. It's a big to-do. YEAH. LIKE

JEFFREY, WHAT YOU DO? WHAT ABOUT THE

CHILDREN?

>> CARE TO COMMENT ON THE CHILDREN?

>> What are you doing with the children,

Jeffrey? Why did you need 330 gallons of

sulfuric acid? They didn't know about

that back THEN.

>> WHAT ARE CHICKENS? WHAT ARE CHICKENS?

>> I don't know what's going on.

>> What is jerky? What is jerky?

>> Well, no one knew any of that stuff back

then. If he was alive now, for sure

those questions would be shouted out.

>> What is pizza and pasta? What happened

at Obama's White House?

>> What is pizza? Pizza's mentioned like

900 times. Clearly is a code.

>> Clearly is a code.

>> You know how crazy I felt for the

longest time? Like I'd just be in a

coffee shop and I'm like you guys don't

you guys you just don't know like

Jim's a little wacky but now it's it's

coming.

>> Did you see that video we played the

other day of this guy at the airport

just yelling out

>> yes you guys are going out about your

business the No guy he's like the files

have been released.

>> Yeah I saw that and they were they were

going and you're all just going about

your business. The files are released.

Kids are being tortured

>> which

>> but my question was like what do you

want me to do? What do you

>> I'm flying to Atlanta. What do you want

me to do?

>> I got a gig. What do you want me to do?

Scream and yell at everybody? Get

arrested? How is that going to fix

anything? This all happened 10 years

ago. What do you want me to do?

>> And what do what do you do at this

point? Because like it's uh

>> Well, you don't do anything at the

airport. You know, you get on your

[ __ ]

>> At the airport, right? Like I got to get

home. My wife's my my wife's mother.

>> But that's like a lot of people online.

They're very performative screaming and

yelling. We got to do this. We got to do

like what do you what do you what do you

want us to do? That's their

jurisdiction.

>> It's outrage farming.

>> Outrage farming. I like that.

>> You're outrage farming.

>> Imagine going to that length though.

You're just like, you know what? I

really didn't like anything you said and

uh you have no right being like who

who's taking the

>> Well, it's it's either people No, but

it's people that are trying to farm for

attention. They're trying to get extra

attention or it's people that just

aren't that good. They're not that

smart. Have you when's the last time you

engaged with anyone online that was

like, "Rogan, you're this or you're

that?"

>> It's been a long time.

>> Long time, right? Know. Yeah.

>> Long time. But up until that up until

that time,

>> bro, I watch [ __ ] Louisis J. Gomez do

it every day. I'm like, Lewis, what are

you doing? What are you doing, you

psychoso? Stop [ __ ] arguing with

people online and calling them losers.

>> Yeah. No.

>> And comparing your life to theirs. Like,

don't do it. because you don't know what

you're dealing with. You have no clue

what you're dealing with.

>> Not only that, it's like it's a bad

frequency to get your brain caught up

in. There's so many other things to

think about.

>> Correct.

>> There's so much going on in the world.

There's so many interesting things in

life. And the problem with social media

algorithms and any kind of algorithm

that you get sucked into is it it

funnels you into this way. This is what

the information that you're getting.

Most of the time you're getting a lot of

bad information, a lot of outrage

farming and your frequencies, like the

way your brain thinks funnels down that

pathway and you kind of lose control of

it instead of having access to all the

wonderful things in the world. There's a

lot of amazing, fascinating,

curiositydriven people out there that

are, you know, making videos about all

kinds of stuff and you could instead pay

attention to that stuff.

>> Well, that's Yeah, you're trapped. I

used to say that even just about news. I

remember being a kid and if you look at

every newspaper and you just watch all

the headlines from the news, everything

is

I would sit there and go, "Okay,

something bad happened down here in

Brooklyn. Something why why do you spend

every page or every headline of

something negative? You had 8 to 10

million people living in this vicinity.

Why do you harp on just propaganding and

looking?" And that I don't

>> it's really simple. It's really simple

that all these major newspapers are

struggling all of them badly and the

only way to get attention is clickbait

now because most of the stories that you

get are online. Very few people are

buying physical newspapers anymore.

>> No more. They're dead.

>> Yeah. Not only that, during COVID, I

think they kind of nuked their all of

their credibility. There's a lot of

people that just feel like they're all

[ __ ] artists now. It was an

incredible exposing of of all

information during co

>> they say this video is him he sent this

to two women

>> from detention from detention.

>> All right let's see

>> it's very it's weird the wall I had to

borrow the scotch tape to get the

pictures on the wall.

>> Okay so Darren

>> why do I have why do you have to see

that thing over his face

>> I'm pretending I'm talking to Darren.

Hi, Darren.

Are you guys having a good time? You can

see I have a little sore on my face that

I got from some black guy trying to kiss

me. It's really disgusting.

>> Oh, it's really Oh.

Anyway, I have pictures up on the wall.

I had to borrow the scotch tape to get

the pictures on the wall.

I'll talk to you guys later. Bye.

>> What?

>> Okay, so that's him in detention. He

said somebody tried to kiss him.

I seem pretty calm when you almost got

raped,

>> dude. It's It's pre-production. All

right, so listen. Just

>> come in the room and say that somebody

tried to kiss you. You got to be into

it. Like that's take number 12. Like,

god damn it, Jeffrey. God damn it. Do

you need a coke? You need a wine. I need

you most out. You don't seem like a guy

in jail. A guy who hasn't been sleeping

well. He seems pretty well rested.

>> Yeah. So, you know, my whole uh life is

bad right now. I just you they're

bringing me in. Some guy tried to kiss

me. It's kind of a bummer. Cut. What?

That wasn't good.

>> All right, I'm trying again. All right,

doing it right now. All right, lighting

good. Here we go. The [ __ ] out of here.

>> The best intelligence organizations that

can overthrow foreign governments would

probably have a plan if they wanted to

get the guy out and pretend that

somebody else died in his place.

>> It's It's been from the beginning of

time. No.

>> Yeah.

>> From the beginning of time.

>> From the beginning of time. Well,

especially with like modern stuff

because you can with with modern masks.

Like remember the tall Biden? There's

not a chance in hell that was Biden. I I

feel so redeemed. My wife used to get so

mad at me. So mad at me. My kids would

get so mad at me. And I would I would

say it everywhere. I'd say it on stage.

I say on social media. I go, "I don't

care what you say. That is not Joe

Biden." You know, there was also that in

the files, too. They were talking. call

me crazy. And now all of a sudden

they're like, "Oh no, he was he was

executed." Isn't that what they said?

>> Executed.

>> Uh, that seems sus.

>> I went down there.

>> There's a lot of those emails are just

emails, right? You First of all, Epstein

is dealing with prostitutes, people that

are willing to get prostitutes. He's

dealing with a lot of criminals and

weirdos, and a lot of those people are

probably full of [ __ ] right? So just

because somebody writes something in an

email doesn't mean it's a fact. However,

>> when you see the video of Tall Biden,

pull out pull out Tall Biden.

>> Come on, man.

>> He grew.

>> He grew and then he went back. Like they

might have put him on some [ __ ] and then

he shrunk back down again

>> and and his eye color would change.

>> This one, right? Like a

>> Yes, that one. Like look at the

difference.

>> What? He's like 69. Look at it. That's a

robot. Send out the robot. Do you got a

video of him walking out there? Because

when he walk, look how long his [ __ ]

legs are. Look how tall he is. This is

absolutely insane. Wait, who's watching

this going, "Yeah, no, that's the same

guy." Not only is he taller, but he

moves better. He's more relaxed when he

moves.

>> It was I Joe.

>> It's like a guy doing an impression of

Joe Biden.

>> Yes. Look at his But look how long this

guy's legs are. This is what's crazy.

But rewind that as again, please.

>> Here it is. It's good. It's starting

from the beginning, but it's good. It's

right there. It's good. Just play. Yeah,

it's starting from the So, here's when

he walks out. Look at how long his leg.

This guy's a basketball player. He can

Look how tall he is.

>> First president can dunk.

>> I mean, just stop. Pause it right there,

please.

>> Right there.

>> Pause it. Pause it. Just the physical

frame. When you look at the length of

his legs, that's extraordinary. That's

not like Jeffrey Epstein's prostate with

testicles.

>> No, these whole different

>> That is a tall man. Like there's no way

that's a short man. There's no There's

no way that's a normal like what was how

tall was Joe Biden supposedly? 6 feet 61

maybe.

How tall was he supposed to be?

>> The real Joe Biden.

>> Tall the pre209.

>> I said was like he's dead.

>> I'm saying he's dead. I'm saying he's

long gone wherever he is.

>> Six feet. Okay. Go back again. Six feet

tall.

>> Okay. Six feet is like, you know, on the

tallish side. That guy's taller than 6

feet. That is a tall man.

>> Look how look at the proportions from

his legs to the width of his shoulders,

the length of his legs. That's a very

tall man.

>> Who's the casting director for this? I

mean, just being charitable, that's a 3

in taller man at least. Maybe the the

other Joe Biden, you know, got sick that

day or his wife died. That actor died

and they're like, "We need another Joe

Biden quick and then this one showed up

like, oh my god, just forget it. People

believe everything. Send him out."

>> If you have a guy who's the president

and it's he's known to be of poor

health, there's probably going to be

times where he's supposed to make a

public appearance that's not that

important, but it's important to just

show his face. Well, you got to like

keep him in a hospital bed somewhere.

So, you get a guy and you put the mask

on him. Did you ever see the walk? The

the the walk?

>> Yeah, his shuffle. That guy doesn't walk

like that.

>> That's a It's a robot.

>> That guy walks like an athlete.

>> It's a robot.

>> Wait a minute. What?

>> He look like a robot.

>> No, he looks like a guy with bad knees

and a bad back.

>> Bad back. I'm

>> You think it's a robot?

>> I'm taking I don't know what it is.

>> No, it's an old man who can't walk good.

>> I'm putting my chips in.

>> Do you think you could program a robot

to walk like an old man? Have you? It

didn't look like the robots are not

good. Get the video, Jim. The robots are

not that good yet. They

>> trust me. I'm friends with Elon. The

robots, they're good, but they're not

that they look like robots. They don't

look like humans yet.

>> You put You put a little suit and jacket

on them, put them up, and you just

videotape for 3 seconds. No. Why would

you do that? It's a guy.

>> All right. No, I agree. This one's a

guy, but there's other ones from like

>> What is this one, Jamie? Same one.

>> That's the same better version of it. I

was just replaying it.

>> Okay. No, that's not a robot. That's a

guy.

>> There's ones where he's walking on the

lawn and his legs like what does he do

with his legs? It's crazy looking.

>> Jim, like neurologists have looked at

this. He walks like a guy with dementia.

That's how they walk.

>> My dad had dementia. He didn't walk

anything like that.

>> Not all people with dementia walk like

that, but it's typical of the way people

walk when they don't have control of

their body anymore. Like he fell down a

lot. Like it's very like

>> bicycle went down. I got it.

>> It's a lot of things. He fall down

walking upstairs. Remember?

>> Yeah, I remember.

>> Three times.

>> I remember. I

>> You think it's a robot?

>> I didn't say it's 100% robot. I'm saying

I will put my chips in. I'm I'm at the

poker table and like you're really going

in all in that that was not Joe Biden.

I'm going all in.

>> That's not Joe Biden.

>> I'm show you.

>> Never was.

>> Okay.

>> From 2020 on it never was. I think this

is a productive line of conversation,

but um

>> that's just me. I get it.

>> You're going to watch this joke.

>> Yeah, watch this. What?

>> What?

>> But that's He's walking in sand and he's

old as [ __ ] dude.

>> He's walking in sand.

>> I get it.

>> If I walk in sand and I'm drunk, I look

just like that.

He's on a lot of blood thinners there.

Maybe they got to his head. I don't

know. He's got a stent. I just Jamie,

I'm going to send you something. This is

stateofthe-art right now when it comes

to uh robots and it's pretty [ __ ]

good, man. Pretty [ __ ] good. But it's

not that um it's these are robots that

can actually do martial arts. It's very

impressive.

>> I feel like I just saw something like

this. It was frightening to a degree.

>> Yeah, it's from China. So, go full

screen on this. This is really

interesting. So, you got these kids.

They get out there and um

these robots do martial arts with them.

Like, look at this. It's really wild,

man.

I mean, it's pretty human movements.

>> Now, if they had suit and ties on, they

can pass for a president.

>> Not yet. Not yet. But look at these

things. They can do back flips. Like,

this is crazy. They do wheel kicks.

>> It's really nuts, man.

>> So, just imagine these things with

[ __ ] ARs just running into buildings,

gunning people down, cuz that's what's

coming,

>> bro. There's a place they're going to be

bulletproof. They're going to have night

vision, heat vision, insane hearing.

There's a place in Florida, bro, that

have the uh out in the Everglades. It's

like this this farmland. You never see

anyone there, but they have the the

mechanical robot dogs.

>> Yeah.

>> Patrolling everywhere and spraying the

fields. It's

>> the dogs spray the fields. There's like

all different types of machines that

come up that will like spread the field

and they have these the dogs that patrol

everywhere. It's wild. You can buy one.

>> I never saw any of that. You can buy

them now.

>> Yeah, you can buy those robots.

>> Yeah, Les was telling me about it.

>> I think I want one.

>> Lex Freriedman uh he actually works with

robotics. Like he was uh an artificial

intelligence uh engineer before he ever

started doing podcasts. You're like,

you're like the movie The Fifth Element

when the chick when the chick came and

she got all the information like who's

I'm always fascinated. You have so much

information like brilliant insight

information.

Who's left on on your list where you're

like, I gota I want to look at I need to

speak with so and so.

>> Oh, there's a ton of people. There's

always new uh you know like I get a list

of uh every week multiple days a week I

get a list of potential guests and so I

go over the list and uh a lot of it is

scientists a lot of it is like people

that are doing groundbreaking research

on like neurode development

genetics

there's a lot of them that come up that

are cosmologists

uh that are working on you know just

bizarre car theories.

It's it's a there's always someone

that's working on some, you know, like

very high level of some esoteric line

of, you know, some kind of discipline

that I've got very little information

about. There's always interesting

people.

That blows my mind.

>> Just blows my mind. I tried talking to

anyone even some of the words I'm not

educated very well. I'm start saying

certain words and I'm just I'm already

>> I'm not formally educated very well. I

mean I only went to college for three

years and I was barely paying attention.

>> I never paid attention.

>> I was only going to college so that

people didn't think I was a loser. Was I

was doing Yeah. I was doing it while I

was fighting and then I was doing it for

a little bit while still doing standup.

But I was only doing it so that no one

thought I was a loser.

>> Really?

>> Yeah.

>> Is that more was that like a home thing

like

>> No, it was where I grew up, you know,

lot everybody was going to college. I I

went to school at a a really good high

school, Newton South in Massachusetts,

and a lot of the kids were, you know,

real ambitious and wanted to go to

college and get degrees. And I was I did

not want to have a job. I was like, what

am I doing? I I was like very feral. And

at the time, all I wanted to do was

compete. I was just doing martial arts

tournaments all the time. And there was

no money in that, you know? So, I was

like, what am I what's my career going

to be? Like, what am I doing? You this

weird period. So I said, "Let me just go

to college so that no one thinks I'm a

loser." So I took a year off school. So

from uh graduated at 17. So for the next

year, I didn't I didn't go to school at

all. I just trained.

>> I don't know the story. So when did you

when did you go I'm going to start doing

standup?

>> When I was 21.

>> Wow. And and you did you have that

desire before then?

>> Not really. No. I was a fan of standup.

I love standup. I was talked into doing

it by my friend Steve. He's a good buddy

of mine. Steve Graham

>> because I would make people laugh in the

locker room. It was like he was a guy I

did taekwond do with

>> and he was like dude

>> and another good friend Ed Sher. Same

thing. Ed and Steve were two guys who I

was real tight with that you know I

would make fun of everybody and just we

were always just joking around

>> and I wanted a lot of attention. I was

young.

>> They all did. Yeah. So that was uh

that's how and then I went to an open

mic night and I realized, oh these

people are all they suck. They're

beginners.

>> Like oh, you could be a beginner. And

then I thought about it just like

martial arts. If you just work at it,

you can get better at it, you know? So

if you're just like a little bit funny,

if you could just kind of figure out

what it is about you. I was like, this

is fascinating. It was like a whole new

puzzle.

>> But I didn't know if I could ever do it

for a living. I was really so confused

when I was 21 because I had really kind

of decided to stop fighting and I was

still doing it a little bit but I had

like one foot in and one foot out which

is not good. And then uh I didn't have

any prospects like what am I going to

I'm already 21 like I should have

already graduated from college by now or

be close or getting ready to work on a

mast's. I should be doing something like

a lot of the people that I went to high

school with or I should have a trade

like a lot of my buddies that went into

carpentry or electricity. You know,

there's I didn't have a like career

other than teaching. So within a couple

years you start because you and I both

fairly quickly started getting in good

positions in because if you were 21 I'm

going to say by 25 20 like 26 you're on

uh hard ball.

>> Yeah.

>> Wow.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. We were really young. That's how

that's crazy lucky.

>> Fast that happened.

>> Yeah. It happened stupid fast. It

happened stupid fast and it was stupid

lucky because I didn't have any

aspirations to ever be on TV. There was

no part of me that wanted to be an actor

on TV. Zero. I was never an ambition at

all. Which probably helped me because

when I went in and you know talked to

the people and did auditions and [ __ ]

it wasn't like oh my god this is my

dream.

>> It was like so what do you guys want me

to do? Okay. Yeah, I could play a

baseball player. Okay. And they just

love the fact that I was, you know, I

had a background in athletics, so I I

knew a lot about You also would murder

like none other at the Laugh Factory.

You would go up and I remember the

Disney executives

because that's who did that. I remember

them sitting in the back watching you.

you did the um

the lions or whatever the tigers mating

and it would just

>> the place would lose their [ __ ] like you

and it was captivating watch it was

howling funny and I'll never forget just

looking at the executives and I I don't

remember their name I just remember he

had a mustache he had a he had a dark

mustache dark hair he's from he's from

Colorado he was like oh my god

Joe is just so god damn [ __ ] I can't I

can't can't take it. So you I mean wow

that's pretty awesome in that short

period of time. I wish I had no I won't

say I wish I had your mentality then I

have it now.

Meaning back then I had the desire like

I want I want I'm going to start buying

satin clothes and I just want

to start getting nice clothes you know

I went sat the first time I went out

there I bought satin blue uh pants and

satin blue I was like I'm going to be in

Hollywood I was so [ __ ] so [ __ ]

Well, but you had this whole other I

remember seeing you and you were like we

we were at some hotel and you were just

so you like yeah I'm I'm going to go

play pool and work out. You wanted you

want like what? No, I'm looking for rock

stars and actors on Melrose. And you're

like well I'm not doing that. I'm going

to the gym and I'm like you're going to

miss out. And

but I really admired

I loved and I admired that about you so

much. How

>> But I was never interested in like

Hollywood stuff. It just was not that

interesting to me to to be around a

bunch of famous people and feel weird. I

was like I just rather be around normal

people. I'd rather play pool. I'd rather

go to the gym.

>> I was like that until I was around

famous people. And you're like, "Uh,

>> uh,

>> okay.

>> This is uncomfortable.

>> I want to go home.

>> I want to go back home."

>> Oh, I tried to move back to New York. I

I would have moved back to New York

except I had a lease. I had a lease on

an apartment. When Hard Ball got

cancelled, I was ready to go back to New

York. I was like, "Fuck this place. This

is too uncomfortable for me." And again,

I never had any aspirations to be

famous. And I definitely didn't have any

aspirations to act.

>> It was just money. They gave me a lot of

money to be on a sitcom. And I was like,

"Okay." I I just couldn't believe how

much money you could get in a week. Like

this is crazy.

>> It was crazy.

>> Yeah. It was like more money than I made

in a year and I could make it in a week.

I was like this is nuts.

>> Especially cuz I went from broke Yeah.

to being on a sitcom.

>> Yeah. I I remember those same things

like you you're not making any money and

then all of a sudden like here you're

like $25 to $50,000 a week.

>> Yeah.

>> You just come and camera block here and

there and you don't even have to be the

star.

>> It was bananas.

>> What? But then when I got on news radio,

I was like, "Oh, this is a whole

different kind of a thing." Like, "This

is a really good show with really good

writing and really good actors." I was

like, "This is fun." Like that I enjoyed

a lot.

>> But it's the world of uh acting is long

days

>> and it's not what I like to do the most.

So, it was like, you know, it's it's

great, but you can get sucked into that

velvet prison and then, you know, you'd

be like I' I I'd be talking to my

friends and be like, "Yeah, I just did a

week in Florida. It was [ __ ] awesome.

Went in there on Wednesday and and I I

was realizing like these guys are

selling out on the road and they're

traveling all the time. They're having

all this fun."

>> I'm like, they're doing what I wanted to

do, which was like stand up like on the

road, but I was only doing like small

sets in town. I was only doing like 15

minutes at the laugh factory, 15 minutes

at the store, you know, it's like the

real comedy was like headlining, doing

an hour, really developing your act,

>> right?

>> And it was like I enjoyed doing news

radio, but I didn't enjoy it as much as

I enjoyed being around comics, doing

sets, being at the clubs, laughing all

the time. It's like a different kind of

people. The actor people were all

worried about what the other actor

people were doing. They were all worried

about like like what rating we were what

number we were in the ratings.

>> Correct.

>> Yes. And that's all they would talk

about.

>> Dude, we were at a table once and they

were all bitching about how, you know,

we were on, you know, whatever night we

were on. We moved like nine times over 5

years. And back then there was no

internet. So you couldn't tell people

that you're not on Monday night anymore.

You're not on whatever it was. And so

they were all bitching and getting

pissed because Sex in the City was on

this time slot and the single guy was in

this time slot and if we were there we'd

be number two or whatever, right?

>> And I was like, "Guys, last time I

checked, we're on TV." Yeah.

>> Like this is a dream. Yeah. We're not

number one, but we have a funny show and

we're on TV. Just [ __ ] enjoy the

ride.

>> Yeah. And it was a great show. It was a

lot of fun. It was a great show. It did

well, but Yeah. there that world just

never it's

>> but it was just so lucky to get it so

quick you know I was on news radio 6

years into doing standup

>> and it didn't make any sense to me but

it's also why I wasn't nervous about it

was like it seemed so normal to me like

okay this is a job I'm doing but it was

because I didn't want to do it not not

that I didn't want to do it but because

it wasn't wasn't like in my ultimate

dream

>> well that's that made me laugh I saw you

years later and I don't know if it was

uh if it was uh the fear factor or

whatever and someone snarkily like in in

a snarky way were like why would you why

would you take this and you're like cuz

they're paying me [ __ ] [ __ ]

money. They offered [ __ ] [ __ ]

money like you wouldn't do this for

whatever the episode and I just it made

me laugh. So, it's just you gave the

real answer. If I offered you whatever

program I'm going to offer you, I don't

know, uh, 20 million for two years,

you're going to go, I'm not doing that.

That's ridiculous. Why would I use Why

would I leave my sanitation job to

>> Money equals freedom? That's what people

need to understand. Like, if you can

make a pile of money, you get [ __ ] you

money. And then the key is don't be

chasing [ __ ] your mother and [ __ ] your

family and [ __ ] the world money.

>> Correct.

>> Stick with [ __ ] you money.

>> But just make sure you say [ __ ] you.

>> So make sure you don't do things you

don't want to do. And so when Fear

Factor came along, I initially took it

cuz I thought it was going to be

cancelceled immediately.

>> I was like it was I was in a development

deal with NBC

>> and they they sent me this thing and I

was like, "What the [ __ ] is this?

They're gonna stick dogs on people. Like

I was laughing. I'm pretty sure I was

stoned when I first got the pitch.

>> Yeah.

>> And I read I go, "This is hilarious."

And I don't know if my manager even

wanted me to do it. I don't remember. I

think they probably wanted me to hold

out for a sitcom. And I was like, "Are

you [ __ ] kidding me? This is

hilarious. Let me meet with them." And

they didn't like me at first because I

came in and was making fun of it. And

they thought it should be scary because

this was fear factor, right?

>> And I was just joking and like I came

into the the meeting. I was probably

stoned. I came into the meeting and I

was just cracking jokes about everything

and laughing and they didn't. But then

David Herurwitz, who's a friend of mine,

who was one of the producers on the

show, he's like, "No, no, no, no. Look,

the whole world's going to be laughing

at us." Yes.

>> It's way better if the host is laughing.

>> Yes.

>> It's way better. Yes. Like let's just

trust

>> like the lunacy of what these what

lengths these people would go to.

>> They were going to go a little like a

sports cer or something. You know what I

mean?

>> Here we are in fear factor. Fear is not

a factor for you.

>> The ninth

>> Maggie from Wisconsin is going to get in

the tank.

>> Yeah. That's awesome.

>> Yeah. So it's just luck. A lot of luck,

man. A lot of weird luck. I've had a lot

of weird luck my whole life. Like even

even coming here is weird luck. even

opening up the club. Weird luck.

>> Why you say that?

>> Because a lot of things have to happen

in order for this club to to exist,

right? The a lot of things have to

happen. First of all, the COVID thing

has to happen, right? So, and it has to

happen in California where they have

very restrictive laws and everything

gets locked down and we can't perform

for like

>> I think the store was shut for a year

and a half, man.

>> Are you serious?

>> Yeah. California was nuts with co, but

over here like almost immediately you

could do shows, right? Like we were do

the the cap city was doing shows and

they had people separated before they

went under.

>> They just had like the tables moved like

six feet apart which was [ __ ]

Didn't mean anything.

>> Yeah.

>> And then um when we started doing shows

at the Vulcan, that was in like November

of 2020. So that was pretty soon after,

you know, the rest of the world was

still like completely like California

and New York were still completely

restrictive and Texas was pretty pretty

wide open.

>> And so I I have to have the kind of

money that Spotify gave me.

>> Yeah.

>> And then I have to be so dumb that I'm

in the middle of this giant deal. I'm

like, I'm just going to move to Texas.

Which they were like, what are you

doing? Like you need to be in LA. That's

where your studio is. That's where the

guests are. Right.

>> And I was like, I'm flying like at least

two or three people a week out to Los

Angeles. I bet I could get them to fly

to Texas.

>> Yeah,

>> but it was a it was a dumb gamble. It's

like it's not a smart move. So, but so

it has to be like the Spotify money. It

has to be everything closed down and

then it has to be the store closed down

because the store closed down allowed me

to get guys like Adam Eaggan and you

know and store. Yeah. All the people

that worked at the store came and work

for me. That's like one of the big

secrets. Jody,

>> the managers, like a lot of the people

that are at the mothership came from the

store and they were unemployed.

>> Yeah. But I wouldn't take it I wouldn't

I I like your approach is it luck?

>> No, but it has to it has to be some luck

otherwise it doesn't happen because if

there's no luck then if there's no COVID

lockdown then all these comics aren't

willing to move here.

>> Correct.

Tony Henchcliffe, Tom Seagura, Christina

Pazitski, Brian Simpson, everybody moved

here,

>> right?

>> So the only reason why anybody would

move here is cuz California's locked

down. If the store was hopping and every

they would be like, "Why would I leave?

Why the [ __ ] would I go here?" Yeah. So

it had to be like a place where you

could go and you know and then you have

to have the resources to do something

like that. So that has to be like the

Spotify thing. Like it's like so many

things have to fall into place where

it's that kind of a gamble makes sense.

>> Yeah.

>> It's a lot of luck, man.

>> It's a lot of luck, but it's also a lot

of decision making and a lot of you you

you're very thoughtful and and you're

the walk that you walk creates an energy

and it's an it's it's it's very

powerful. It's very inspiring. And I do

believe in that stuff. Like the way

you've walked most of the life that I've

known you has been you you're probably

you inspired me so much years ago. Years

and years ago. You came on my radio show

and and you literally started talking

and you called in and I remember I just

told everyone just be quiet. Just be

quiet and let him go. and just I knew at

that moment

>> you were going to be changing

like culture if that makes sense. You

you went into this you went into this

deep conversation about we are we are

shifting in humanity and basically you

you said we're either going to

um live for truth

or you're going to be a liar like leech

type thing. It was very powerful and um

I think eventually I was like you know

put Pink Floyd behind and put that on

someone put on the internet

>> clip of it. It is one of the most

because I wanted the world to hear what

you said. It was such a like no other

pastor could say. No one could say it

the way you said it. So yes, it is all

luck. But I do believe

that presence that you put out and that

energy, it's it's trusted and it's it's

a it's a force that opens doors without

even you knowing it because it is all

for uh the good in my belief. Um but

anyway, that's my little

>> Well, thank you. That's very kind of

you. That's very kind of you. Well, you

you inspired me too, dude. Cuz when we

first started working together, the one

of the worst times I ever bombed ever

was uh I was headlining when I really

shouldn't have been headlining. I really

didn't have an hour. And you and I did a

weekend together somewhere like West

Nyak, New York or something like that.

>> Somewhere yucky like a holiday thing.

>> But uh I did okay every show except the

late show Saturday night. You [ __ ]

murdered.

>> I do.

>> You murdered. And I remember being so

nervous. I was so nervous and I went on

stage nervous and I just ate a dick. And

I remember it was like one of the worst

bombings I've ever had in my life. And I

remember thinking at the time, boy, I

got to correct something. I first of

all, I can never go on stage that

nervous again. I was like, what was

wrong? What was wrong was instead of

laughing at you and going on stage

having a good time, I was nervous about

my own performance, which is like a

self-defeating mentality.

>> Yeah. And I had to realize that,

>> which is also one of the reasons like it

really my my stand up bumped up a lot

after that weekend. It really did cuz I

really worked on it hard cuz the bombing

was bad.

>> Bombing is bad. It was a But this was a

bad one. I was supposed to do 45. I

bailed at 35. I got in trouble. I was

eating dick, dude. I was eating dick. It

was horrible. But um the same thing

happened when I would take Joey on the

road with me. And the reason why I would

take Joey on the road with me is because

he was so hard to follow. So I said,

"Okay, I thought of it just like

training partners."

>> Yes.

>> Like you don't want to spar with a guy

who sucks. You want to spar with a guy

who's better than you, right? So that

you can you could get to his level. Yes.

And so with Joey, Joey was so loose and

so free and he was so silly. And I was

more rigid and I tried to do more setup

punchline stuff, but I was, you know, I

was only whatever, eight, nine years in,

whatever it was. I was still trying to

like figure it out. And Joey had a

rhythm to him. He's just so loose. And

I'm like,

>> "This is gonna help me. Let me just take

this guy on the road with me." First of

all, he's the best guy to hang out with.

He's so much fun.

>> He seems like I love him to death.

>> I never got to hang out with him. I only

I've only got to see him on some other

places. I know.

>> He's the best. He's so Everybody

Everybody's like He's so fun.

>> Like when you're around him, it's all

hugs and laughs and he's the party. You

bring Joey anywhere, the party's with

Joey. When we would go to dinner, we'd

have as much fun at dinner as we would

at the show,

>> right? He's the entertainment.

>> Well, he's just a great social engineer.

Like, he would like the he would like

[ __ ] be the the maestro that would

get everybody going. We would be

laughing

>> and then we'd go to the show and be have

a good time. And I learned to laugh at

him cuz he'd be murdering. And I'd

learned to take that momentum of

laughing at him and carry it into the

energy in my performance.

>> Yes.

>> So it was like it was a good thing cuz a

lot of people want the opposite. They

want the guy going on before them to

suck so that they look like a hero.

>> No, I don't want that.

>> There's a lot of people out there

rocking that [ __ ] ski.

>> I like I like what you said. I like a

guy hitting hard.

>> Yeah.

>> And then the nights like even I have I

have uh Brian McKenna opening for me

right now. There's nights like I think

we're in Louisiana and I was like, "Oh,

shoot. I got to get up." Like, "What is

he doing there?" Like, and that makes me

go, "Oh, all right. I got to stay

crystal clear." Like, I've got to bring

it to this whole level. He's making me I

love if someone makes me work loves.

>> Well, it's not just that. It's also that

the crowd gets their money's worth.

>> Yes.

>> Bunch of people came out to see you.

Like I've gone to see friends that are

really good comics that I really love

and then I go to see them and they have

an opening act. I'm like Jesus Christ, I

got to go to the bathroom. I got to go

sit outside for 20 minutes and wait for

this to

>> to end. That's a bad place to be whether

it's your buddy or not.

>> They do it because they want a light

opener.

>> Like Ron White's open about it. Like he

he talks about you do you do better than

me, YOU'RE GETTING FIRED.

HE DOESN'T give a [ __ ] But this, you

know, I love Ron the best. But

>> how he's still out here? No,

>> but yeah, he's out here. Yeah, he's at

the club all the time. He's there

tonight. Okay.

>> Yeah, Ron or tomorrow night, rather.

Ron's the best. He's the best.

>> Okay.

>> He's the He's another reason why I came

here because he was already here. Ron

moved here before the pandemic.

>> Oh, wow.

>> Yeah. He moved here in I think 201

18 or 19, somewhere around then. And I

was like, why why' you He would He had a

place in Beverly Hills that he kept

still. So he'd come back and forth, but

he was like, I love Austin. You never

have to leave. If I'm want to fly

anywhere, it's the middle of the

country. The people are nice. The food's

great. I was like, can I live there? No.

That's what my thought was like, I can't

live there.

>> Ron is the type of guy, too, that he

doesn't realize

how good he is and how popular he is

sometimes. He literally, don't ask me

why he called me. I have no Oh, I I

remember it was some bizarre connection.

He's like, "Hey, Jim, I

I keep getting asked in the play in

London." And I went, "Oh, you will

murder murder in London." He's like, "I

don't know. I mean, I don't know. And

I'm like, "Ron, if you were to play

Scotland, England, Ireland, like you

you're going to have a whole new you're

going to murder." He's like, "I don't

know if they were. Please, I'm begging

you. At least just take the gig. Please

just take the gig." And this is this was

a couple of years ago. And apparently he

did do it. I was like, "Jesus like I

heard it." Of course you did.

>> Especially style. He's funny. He's very

humbled though. Ron is very humble guy.

>> Yeah.

>> He's a You know, he's a great guy. He's

the best.

>> Well, that's why I like I like to come

here the first time because

what I like about here's I reached a

point where I have my following. I have

my crowd. And if I'm working out stuff,

even if it's in an hour, they're going

to be patient with me because they like

me and they've been on my journey,

right? But if I were to go into a club

and do 15 minutes, I better I better

they're not my a lot of them don't know

me and I have to and I remember the

first time I came here I didn't want to

go on stage. So I just go on stage like

I don't know like go on stage. Wow. It

was like okay uh yeah I'm not Wow. Seven

more. Okay. I I didn't even finish my

setup yet. This is This made me This

place made me want to start working

harder again and go, "Hey man, you got

to you got to put the gloves on." Not

that I had any lack of confidence of

what I put out there for an hour, but

those short little 15minute when they

see everybody. It doesn't matter. It's

an even playing field. It's pretty

awesome.

>> Well, you mean that was great about the

store, too. Like you'd get a night where

you had like seven, eight national

headliners in a row,

>> you know? I I saw that one and they

don't care after a while. Just bring the

funny. I saw

someone from a huge sitcom go on stage

place

loses their mind. Even I was a little

like, "Oh, wow. Oh, wow." And about they

did the shtick of their character.

And about five minutes in, they were

like, "Okay, we're done. You going to

you tell jokes or you're just going to

be the TV guy?" And it's like they don't

they've seen everything. You got to come

with the goods. You got to work it.

>> TV guy thing. We used to see that all

the time in LA, too. Well, that's what

led to Kramer,

>> that meltdown.

>> Well, that's who it was.

>> Yeah,

>> that's I didn't want to say I didn't

want to say, but he he first walked up

was like, "Oh, dude." And he cra

and then after about five, seven

minutes.

>> Yeah.

>> And this one was at the improv and I'm

watching I'm like, "Oh, wow. He Oh, wow.

Oh, you don't have material. He's just

wow.

>> Which is crazy.

>> They turned off quick.

>> Imagine thinking that you could do 15

minutes with no material. I just don't

understand comics make it look easy. You

know how many you know how many people

go How many people have you met that go,

you know what? You inspired. I'm going

to I'm going to start doing standup.

>> Okay.

>> Some of them you're like, please don't.

>> Yeah. Like, okay, I still get I'm

starting next. Here's my fur. And

they'll send me a set of their first

set. like you we comedians make it look

like we just walk up and just weigh it.

>> Well, it's also a guy's used to

performing in front of a live audience

when he does a sitcom and everybody

loves him. And if he could make people

laugh for a minute, he thinks he could

probably make people laugh for multiple

minutes,

>> right?

>> Just keep it going. Just do the same

thing for 15 minutes.

>> And the little side of us just back then

I root for everyone, but when those guys

walk off, we like go down.

How does that feel? There's nothing

more.

>> Well, we don't like anybody that's half

stepping, right? That's like half in,

not really doing it,

>> right?

>> Like you're just taking up 15 minutes

from someone that could be doing it.

>> Correct. I used I used to uh

>> Do you know Neil Brent? Not Neil. Kevin.

>> No, I don't know Kevin very well. Um

I've met him. I'm sure. I I remember him

doing sets in New York back in the day.

>> Kevin would get so pissed because uh

what's the He's a famous guitar player.

Oh my god. Yes. John.

>> So Kevin would come in. He'd come in to

the radio and be like he's going up.

He's doing [ __ ] 20 minutes AND HE

SUCKS. WHAT? I'M LIKE I I CAN'T GO TO

MADISON SQUARE GARDEN and go give me the

GUITAR FOR 20. IT'S MY [ __ ] TIME.

SINCE COMICS would get really edgy. They

didn't care who you were. They go in.

I'd love to listen. He would rant and I

would howl

>> listening to R. Of course I would prod

the tiger once in a while when he starts

going. I'm like

[ __ ] crazy

[ __ ] JOHN MAYER. ALL RIGHT, I GET IT.

YOU PLAY [ __ ] GET OFF THE STAGE.

>> OH MY GOD.

>> YEAH, comics are very territorial about

the art form. You know, like when

someone tries to do it that's not a

comic, they they automatically kind of

reject them. I'm always like, "Give him

a chance." Never know.

>> Never [ __ ] know. Never know. Never

know. A guy who's been acting but really

always wanted to do standup might have

some good ideas and might really throw

themselves into it. It's possible. Why

would you assume it's impossible? It's

possible.

>> It is possible.

>> But the reality in LA is a lot of them

were doing it because the the whole

casting thing had dried up for them,

right? So, they weren't getting brought

into shows anymore. So they decided to

do standup and they would just, you

know, put together an act like write an

act

>> there. Yeah.

>> Yeah. But it wasn't what they really

loved. So it wasn't what they really

>> paycheck.

>> Yeah.

>> It's a little paycheck to get them by.

>> It was a career decision. It was like

pivoting, you know.

>> Yeah. I know a couple guys like that.

Sitcom or or or a sketch show or even

like an SNL character didn't do standup

and now they'll tour and try to do

whatever. So, here's an interesting

thing I should tell you because you'll

really you you know this person. Okay.

Um

>> I actually uh made up with uh Mark

Merritt the other day.

>> We actually had uh I had to help him

with something.

>> Um I had to inform him about something

>> and he sent me a very sincere message of

thank you and then I sent him a message

back that was sincere and I said, "Look,

I'm not your enemy. I'm sure if we saw

despite our differences, I'm sure if we

saw each other

>> within a few minutes, we'd be laughing

and smiling, which is generally how I

interacted with him for the most part. I

had only a few bad interactions with him

>> and he was pretty honest about how, you

know, maybe it's his own mind and, you

know, it was but it was a it was a very

sincere interaction which made me happy.

It's not good to have enemies, man.

>> No, it's really not. It's not good. I

I've had

maybe two or three um that have vocally

put out on because I I'm not into the

Twitter

insulting or going on other programs

insulting. If you have an issue, tell

me,

>> right?

>> And then we'll we'll deal with it the

way the real humans do it.

>> Yeah. And um

when when

that that whole thing I I have a funny

feeling. I know it some of his issues

were but I felt and I put it out there.

I felt I felt bad because for years I

didn't have great intera when I started

listen I'm not poo pooing or whatever

but yeah a lot of guys didn't like me.

They were like who's this animated

loudmouth kid coming in here confident

blah blah blah. And he he would always

kind of like I'll never forget he'd be

like you going to woo him you going to

woo him tonight with your

>> he was trying to sabotage you would

>> it was a competition thing and and I

understood that because I'm still back

then

>> you made a whole video video about it.

>> Correct. Yeah, I saw that video.

>> And so as we as we went on, I actually