A year ago, a year ago, I came here and

our community was oblivious to the

industrial data center boom. Since then,

we have learned a lot. We learned that

these massive facilities are routin

routinely placed in areas with existing

environmental burdens. We sounded the

alarm on environmental hazards, surging

utility bills, but it's only been a

year, one year to the day that we came

to y'all. But man oh man, what a year

it's been. And we have only begun to

fight.

>> Next, we have Carrie Deianne.

>> Hey everybody, how's it going? Hope

you're having a lovely day. Welcome to

today's episode of How You're Getting

[ __ ] I'm your host, Louis Rossman.

I'm coming to you live outside of City

Hall in beautiful Taylor, Texas, where

they're talking about building an AI

data center. Now, I don't usually go

over AI data centers. So, what am I

doing here? This is not about the AI

data center. It is the story behind the

AI data center. In 1999, there was a

kind older gentleman who donated about

87 acres of land. I shouldn't say

donated. He sold these 87 acres of land

to the city for $10. Now, in my opinion,

you can tell me what you think in the

comments down below, but when somebody

gives away 87 acres of land for $10,

there's a symbolic thing in there. That

man does not need the $10. It's being

done to say, "We want you to do

something good with it." In the deed, it

said that he wanted it to be used for a

park. Now, a comedy of errors occurred

very similar to what I've gone over on

this channel when I was talking about

New York in the New York playlist. And I

will be fair, I will talk about it

whether it's New York or Texas. That

land was transferred to somebody, who

was transferred to somebody, who was

transferred to somebody. And at that

point they sold the land to a company to

be used to build a AI data center for

$10 million. And AI data center is not a

park. The worst part about this is that

the gentleman died in 2017. God rest the

soul. So he's not even here to see that

instead of building a park as was his

intention in my opinion, his charitable

intention when he's giving away over 80

acres of land for $10. They're building

an AI data center. As we continued to

push back with city council, we ended up

realizing that they were going to

approve this zoning and kind of move

forward despite all the things that we

were bringing to them. And Pamela at one

point told us this story. We were

sitting in a room. There's about five of

us. And she starts talking about how her

dad knew uh they would play baseball in

the field in the lot and their balls

would go out and her dad had been

talking to the man who mows the grass

who owns the land, Mr. Bland. and that

she was a little girl and she remembers

him telling her dad that this was going

to be parkland, that he was going to

give it as park. And he she literally

was crying and saying, "I just wish that

man had done that." And we're looking at

each other with our laptops up and we're

like, "Hey, look up the deed." And

literally in that room with five other

people, we pull up the deed. There's

only six of them. We're like, "Found the

restriction." From that point on, I just

became whatever Pamela needed me to

become. I went with her to lawyer

meetings. I made flyers for her. I

walked and knocked on doors to make sure

entire neighborhood had everything in

Spanish and in English and were always

the first ones to know. And that's just

kind of how I got involved with

everything. We just keep taking the next

right step and it just keeps growing.

So,

>> but wait, it gets better. When you read

what they are saying about this, they're

saying that that was not a restriction.

That was just a note. City officials

maintain that the 1999 Parkland language

carries no legal force. Siguin said that

the deed carried a note about the land

being held in trust for future Parkland

news but categorized that the note was

an intention rather than a binding

restriction telling Newsweek and I quote

this note was not a deed restriction and

again there is what the law says and

then there is what I'm I'm not hyper

religious but I just something I don't

know you call it karma call it whatever

you want something tells me that if a

man says here we would like this land to

be used for a park have this land that I

could sell for millions of dollars for

$10 please make it into a park and after

he dies, you turn it into an AI data

center, which is literally a source of

[ __ ] pollution, a bunch of methane

generators and other crap right next to

where people live. He wouldn't be very

happy with that. And what I find

disgusting about this is we can't go

back and ask him what his intention was

here. Hey, you know, when you sold us

that land for $10 to be used as a park,

how would you feel if you put a bunch of

[ __ ] methane generators and other

[ __ ] there that's going to pollute the

air that people can't walk around in? We

can't ask him whether or not that was

his original intention. So saying that

that was not a deed restriction. That

was just a note in my opinion is a

crappy way of getting around the

situation. Now, unfortunately, many of

the members of the city council here

were not around when all these deals

were made. They simply have to clean up

everything after the fact, and I wanted

to show up to speak to some of the

residents to see what they think about

this. Now, I wanted to listen to a

session they were going to have with a

lawyer to discuss the legality of this.

Unfortunately, what I noticed since the

agenda for the meeting usually only

comes out 24 to 72 hours before is that

that is a closed session. So, what the

city council hears from the lawyer and

what the city council tells the lawyer,

I'm not going to be able to record for

all of you because that happened behind

closed doors.

>> They do a lot of behind the door closed

meetings and they've even gone as far as

the last meeting we attended, they had

12 bullet points with code names for

their different things that they were

going to discuss. And I don't remember,

some of them were pretty funny. Um,

>> when you say code names, I don't Help me

understand what you mean by code names a

little bit. Basically, it's a false

title for what they're going to be

discussing so that nobody knows what

they're going to be discussing.

Discussing.

>> No, you got it right the first time. But

can you give me an example if you have

one?

>> Um, I can't remember. I want to wasn't

one about Star Wars or something.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. Names that had nothing to do with

what they were talking about. So,

that's kind of how they're doing it. and

they've been to be honest with you,

they've been interfering in our

communications amongst our own group.

>> Now, there are some members of the

community that have sympathy and empathy

for the fact that the city council that

is there right now were not the city

council that were there when all these

stupid land deals are being made.

However, they are the people that have

the power to deal with it or start

cleaning things up right now. None of

the things that they can do going

forward are good. either A they have to

tell people that spend $10 million in

land you're only allowed to use it for a

park which will most likely result in

them suing them in a giant legal battle

between a big company and a small town

or B they could tell the community hey I

know that this guy great guy left you 80

acres of land to be used as a park but

we actually are going to turn it into a

giant polluting AI data center suck it

choices suck and one of the things that

my father used to tell me when I was

younger is Louis you can either do what

is easy or what is easy to live with and

what is easy to live with is usually

never going to be easy they have a

difficult decision to make and what I'd

like of all of you if you live in the

city of Taylor, Texas, is to write your

city council members and encourage them

to do what is easy to live with. They

are going to have to deal with likely a

lot of legal [ __ ] They're likely

going to be taking a there's a lot of

crap that they're going to have to deal

with, a lot of extra work that they're

going to have to do to be able to stand

up for you so that you can get that park

that you were promised 27 years ago. And

what needs to happen here in my opinion

is the community needs to come together

and let them know that if they make the

right decision that you are going to

support them. I remember back in 2016

when I made the decision to keep all my

YouTube videos up on my channel back

when Apple had asked if I would remove

them. And my lawyer at the time told me,

"You're very lucky. It looks like they

are being very nice about it. They just

want you to take this one video down and

you're good. They don't want to sue you

or go into anything else." And I said,

"No." And he looks at me. He was like,

"What?" I mean, they want to sue you.

Like, have you looked at what's in the

corner of the schematic you're showing

in all your videos? It's it says right

there. Right there. Do not distribute

proprietary secret property of Apple

Link and all this other stuff. and

you're just out here just showing it to

everybody. What are you nuts? And I

believed at the time that I did the

right thing and I believed if I was

doing the right thing and everybody said

this is naive and stupid and you're a

dumbass. I believed if I'm doing the

right thing that the somehow the

community will come together and will

work itself out. And at the time I

realized there were tens of thousands of

people that were fixing things that

otherwise would not have been fixed.

They were learning things. They were

getting jobs fixing things. They were

leaving working from Walmart to start

their own home businesses, doing

motherboard repair on eBay and all sorts

of cool stuff to feed their families and

contribute to their community off of the

content that I was making. Somehow it'll

just work itself out. And it did work

itself out. My company still exists. My

video is still up. I don't have to deal

with any of this stuff because the

community did come together and they

supported me. And what I've been doing

ever since that day for the past 10

years is trying to encourage as many

other people as possible to take that

plunge, take that jump. What are we

doing with the Fool Bounty program? I

know that section 121 says 3 to 5 years

in federal prison, but people would

really like their thermostats back.

There's a community of people that want

to see these things work again. If you

do the right thing, society will sort

things out for you. And I'm hoping that

if enough people come out to city

council, if enough people speak to their

city council members about this, why it

matters to them and above all say, "We

got your back. We support you if you do

the right thing." That they will do the

right thing. It is one thing to say

we're going to build an AI data center.

It's another to say we're going to build

a polluting AI data center next to where

people live. It's another to say we are

going to build a polluting AI data

center right next to land that was

donated that was supposed to become a

park that is not not going to become a

park right after the guy dies. That is

[ __ ] up. And I hope that all of you in

the city of Taylor, Texas will come out,

speak to your city council, email, call,

show up to their offices and let them

know cordially, politely, A, you want

them to do the right thing. B, that if

they do the right thing, you have their

back. That being said, I just want to

speak to some members of the town and

get their opinions on it. My name is

Jose Orta. I live here in Taylor, Texas.

One year ago, I came here to oppose the

Blueprint Data Center. Because the city

has not acted to protect us, the

citizens have taken upon themselves to

force a conversation. We are formally

delivering a citizen-led petition to the

city clerk tonight. We demand explicit

legally binding protections written

directly into the city code. Data

centers are massive resourceheavy

industrial plants and our code must

treat them as such. Our petition forces

standards in four areas. Water limits

safeguarding our local water supply from

heavy cooling systems. Noise caps

enforcing low decibel limits on

industrial fans and generators.

setbacks, mandatory buffers to keep

these giant warehouses away from

neighborhoods, impact studies, and

mandatory environmental study for any

facility within 1,000 ft of our homes.

Living next to an unvetted industrial

site threatens our health, peace of

mind, and property values. If a

developer wants to build near our

families, they must prove they will not

cause harm. This petition is proof that

the citizens of Taylor will protect our

own town with even when you won't. We

expect this council to honor the will of

the people, adopt these common sense

amendments, and put Taylor's families

ahead of unregulated industrial

expansion. Thank you.

>> Whatever I do impacts everybody all the

way down to San Antonio and before that.

So, I try to be mindful of any of the

water that I use in my yard when I take

a shower because I know it will impact

other people. It just seems to me that

these data centers don't care what

impact they're going to have. And I

believe that that's a problem. How will

you feel when you have to explain to

your children and your grandchildren why

they don't have water or why the farmers

are gone? Is this a short-term influx of

money worth contaminating the future of

our town? Consider another option. Turn

Taylor into the town that people want to

move to instead of move out of a town

that has good Texas roots, not sterile

corporate monuments. Okay. Like this.

>> Yes, ma'am.

>> You got this.

>> Don't want to trap.

>> All right.

>> I already said a prayer.

When you came here tonight, I know that

they announced the meeting minutes or

what it's going to be about, I think 24

to 72 hours before the meeting. Were you

expecting them to have the session where

they're discussing the legality of this

zoning behind closed doors rather than

with the public? I wasn't that aware of

it, but they do a lot of behind the door

closed meetings and they've even gone as

far as the last meeting we attended,

they had 12 bullet points with code

names for their different things that

they were going to discuss. And I don't

remember some of them were pretty funny.

Um,

>> when you say code names, I don't Help me

understand what you mean by code names a

little bit there. Basically, it's a

false title for what they're going to be

discussing so that nobody knows what

they're going to be discussing.

Discussing.

>> No, you got it right the first time, but

can you give me an example if you have

one?

>> Um, I can't remember. I want to wasn't

one about Star Wars or something.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah, definitely. I mean, names that had

nothing to do with what they were

talking about.

So

that's kind of how they're doing it. And

they've been, to be honest with you,

they've been in in interfering in our

communications amongst our own groups

that we share information with the rest

of the state. and they're using that

information to block our ability to

speak up by setting up external speakers

to take up time like like Carrie had

mentioned about the the state meeting on

Tuesday

11 hours and we had 30 people get to

share for two minutes each. They only

got two 11 hours and that's because they

had all the paid corporate people come

up and give their

tushy speech as I call it. It's

basically a bunch of BS and they sucked

up all the time. So, we're just trying

to level the playing field, get our

voices heard. Some of the stories I've

heard just recently about what's

happened. I didn't realize the

segregation had gone that deep in Taylor

for so long. I mean outside the city

limits. They couldn't own property

inside Taylor city limits. And that's

where they're putting this data center

is outside the city limits in the

neighborhoods that should be having a

park instead of corporations.

>> So that's the part of town that's the

part of town that you you were only

allowed to buy in if you were a

minority.

>> If you were a minority, you had to buy

outside city limits.

>> And that's the part where they're

putting the data center. That's the part

that didn't get a park. Even though the

lands was allotted for it before I went

>> and it just I know I'm a white person

and I understand some of the things that

go on with segregation and things. It's

still to this day, it's 2026. Give me a

break. This is insane that people are

still using these techniques to stop

legitimate

residents from enjoying their town and

being a part of this town. So that's

another reason why I'm standing up for

this because it's just wrong what

they're doing.

>> Thank you so much for taking the time,

ma'am. I really appreciate you talking.

>> As we continued to push back with city

council, we ended up realizing that they

were going to approve this zoning and

kind of move forward despite all the

things that we're bringing to them. And

Pamela at one point told us this story.

We were sitting in a room. There's about

five of us. And she starts talking about

how her dad knew uh they would play

baseball in the field in the lot and

their balls would go out. And her dad

had been talking to the man who mows the

grass, who owns the land, Mr. Bland. And

that she was a little girl and she

remembers him telling her dad that this

was going to be parkland, that he was

going to give it as park. And he she

literally was crying and saying, "I just

wish that man had done that." And we're

looking at each other with our laptops

up and we're like, "Hey, look up the

deed." And literally in that room with

five other people, we pull up the deed.

There's only six of them. We like found

the restriction. From that point on, I

just became whatever Pamela needed me to

become. I went with her to lawyer

meetings. I made flyers for her. I

walked and knocked on doors to make sure

entire neighborhood had everything in

Spanish and in English. And we're always

the first ones to know. And that's just

kind of how I got involved with

everything. We just keep taking the next

right step. And it just keeps growing.

So,

>> city officials maintain that the 1999

Parkland language carries no legal

force. Seguin, my apologies for

mispronouncing the name, said the deed

carried a note about the land being held

in trust for future Parkland use, but

characterize that note as intent rather

than a binding restriction, telling

Newsweek this note was not a deed

restriction. And that seems like one of

those really messed up things to say

after somebody has already passed away

because the person who did this passed

away in 2017. I would read that and

rather than assume, hey, you can't you

can't go back and ask that guy, would

you have given us this 70 or 80 or 90

acres of land to for $10 if you knew

that we were going to use it to build a

data center that's going to probably

have a bunch of methane generators right

next to where people live. And like I

when you use common sense there, that is

one of those ways to weasle out of

something where like you may technically

be legally correct while simultaneously

being a complete [ __ ]

>> Absolutely. You're one of the reasons

that I own a soldering

>> iring.

>> I don't know if you know this guy,

>> but he's a right to repair advocate. And

I'm curious like Louis, what what's the

>> I mean technology like you've been

chasing. Well, if if you want me to. All

right.

>> I already get enough [ __ ] for being a

horrible camera person. I get I can't

give I can't give them any more actual

ammunition cuz they're they're

technically right. I am a garbage camera

person. But

>> I come out here a lot. I'm on a board

and commission and um I'm a local

community organizer.

>> Yeah. One of the things that I found the

most interesting about this is I'm not

necessarily anti-data center. I'm just

against doing it wrong. Like you don't

have to take all the water. You could

have a closed loop versus an open loop

system. I'm not against you powering it.

I'm against you powering it with a bunch

of methane generators right next to

where people live. And I think people

would be less anti-data center if they

weren't always done in the worst

possible way. This one is interesting to

me because this is just comic book

villain level of either evil or just

stupidity or like just a Dilbert episode

where you have somebody who had means

decided I want to do the right thing.

I'm instead of take this money and just

live out the last five or 10 years of my

life with hookers and blow. I'm going to

do the right thing by my community. I'm

going to let them all have this land for

10 bucks to be used as a farm. I mean

use as a park. And right after he dies,

they say, "We're going to LOL JK. We're

going to sell this to become a data

center that's going to pollute the crap

out of your air." That's one of the best

ways to turn the public against data

centers.

>> I mean, greed's a hell of a drug, right?

>> Yeah. I mean, like, they could have that

conversation with a lawyer about what

the legality of this is in front of all

the people in the city council hearing,

and they're doing that behind closed

doors where I can't bring my microphone.

And I find that very interesting.

So,

I've got a lot of empathy for the folks

that are that are serving us on city

council. I think you need to I think we

all need to understand kind of what

they're up against here. The folks here

in Taylor on the city council are local

citizens. They're just, you know,

average folks like anybody off the

street with a little bit more extra time

and interest to like serve, right? And

they're confronted with a lot of

challenges as like a rural town outside

of Austin. And when big money walks in

the door, it can be hard to understand

what the risks associated with that are,

especially since they show up a lot more

prepared than you really ever can be. We

also kind of agree that we're not really

anti-data center. We want to see the

city prepare to grow in a way that's

responsible and sustainable. We don't

want a boom and bust cycle here and we

certainly don't want a situation where

we run out of water. That's a town

killer. We don't walk away from that. We

could walk away from a bankruptcy, but

we can't walk away from all of our water

not being useful. So, the city council,

I think, wants to do the right thing

here. Earlier, you brought up that the

over the barrel issue that they're in

with that they sold this thing under the

EDC and they may be under some liability

of selling something that wasn't really

theirs under the deed. I don't know that

that's an easy place for the city

council to operate from. But they've got

to have some courage here to try to do

the right thing even if it ends up

hurting us in the short term. And I

think that's the like tension that

they're under, right? I think that the

worst possible thing that could happen

is reputationally speaking, if I spend

$10 million on real estate and then the

town said, "Actually, you can't use what

you just bought and paid for." I would

tell all my friends that that happened.

So, I think that the worst thing for

Taylor reputationally is they tell all

their data center friends, hey, don't

buy land in Taylor for a data center

because they're not going to let you

build it. And that's a reputational hit

that I might just take in the short

term.

>> I think they're prepared to do that.

And, you know, I'd like to point out

again that this the city council here is

only like, you know, one part of a

multi-system failure that occurred in

this situation, right? There are many

people on the city council that likely

were not elected or even interested in

politics when this correct but when this

uh comedy of errors whether intentional

or not was occurring. So I appreciate

you bringing up that point.

>> Yeah. And and I think more to the point

you know the EDC the economic

development um commission of Austin I

mean of Taylor is really responsible for

this deal. They're the one who put it on

the table. And from what I was reading,

and I was trying to not be rude while

she was speaking, but I just wanted to

look things up to the make sure I asked

some decent questions, is that several

of these people that are responsible for

this are no longer employed. So, these

are made by employees who no longer work

for the city. So, now they're dealing

with decisions that were made, like

people are showing up mad because of

what other people did that they weren't

even made aware of. And like one of the

things that will show up in my comments

a lot is why didn't you say something or

do something at this point in time?

Absolutely. Like one example for me is I

had a warrant on my company on my

company and my business and I never knew

about it because they sent a war a lean

and a warrant to a PO box in Burwick

Maine and like people say why didn't you

settle this years ago and I said well

you how many people Google whether they

have a warrant on them when they wake up

in the morning I take my cereal I I feed

my cat and then I just check to see if

I'm how many people are waking up to see

hey did this random farmer that died

five years ago leave land to the city

let me check his property deed

>> I mean absolutely and I think more to

the point about where all this goes next

because this isn't a tailor issue. This

is a national issue. You know,

Virginia's been through this. Lots of

states are going to be going through it

just as much as Texas is right now. And

we all have to learn from each other

about this because they're way more

prepared to come in and buy the land

cheap and find the water cheap than we

are to notice that they're coming to

detect that they are in the area looking

for properties that they've acquired

properties. Many of these properties

that we see in this area were acquired

quite some time ago. And there's no way

to learn that a data center is what's

planned for that property until very

late in the game. City governments have

to do a little bit more to catch up to

where the business market is on data

centers and development. And that's

that's the reason that we're in the

situation we're in. You know, I I think

that there is probably some nefarious

stuff um for people who aren't, you

know, in this situation anymore that

have long gone, but the rest of us are

here to, you know, hold the bag for some

bad decisions that were, you know, done

maybe 5 years ago.

>> Well, thank you so much for coming out

and taking the time and talking. Really

appreciate. Good meeting you, too, my

friend.

>> Thanks for all you do.

>> Thank you.

>> Yeah. you know, they might, you know,

you said like they one of the things you

pointed out is like they the deed um you

know, they're like, "We we don't really

recognize the legality of the deed."

Well, because they can't, right? I'm all

right.

>> I'm you know, you you'll see the

comments how much [ __ ] I'm going to get

from being the world camera.

>> Yeah. Well, cut cut again. So, that's

the issue I think that the city council

is dealing with is is that the legal has

to say that it's illegal, you know, that

the deed isn't um binding because what

else can they say?

If they said that that the deed was

binding,

>> then there has to be the question of why

did you allow this?

>> And then and who is liable?

So, here's what I do know about Texas is

that Texas has long for for all the

wrong reasons established that that

deeds have suprem

arbitration or litigation on property

first thing. And that was mostly because

of redlinining and a way to preserve

whiteness in neighborhoods. Now, I think

it's a little ironic in a good way that

that's being turned around on this case,

but I think we're all aware of the

potential hypocrisy of honoring deeds

and making deeds sacrianked in ways that

don't benefit black and brown people and

then when

it doesn't benefit white people, we turn

it around. And that's I think, you know,

the other thing that's happening here. I

know a lot of the other speakers kind of

like alluded to all the redlinining that

has caused that property to be so

undervalued and such a cheap buy and

such a promising like you know area for

a data center. You know it's the that

massive misinvestment and the like very

clear redlinining and now not honoring a

deed which in Texas is kind of crazy.

It's really you won't find many deed

cases that were not successfully argued

that the deed was had to be honored in

Texas. It just doesn't happen.

>> Interesting. Let's say that was not in

the deed. Does the city council have the

discretion to be able to say we want

we're not going to allow this land to be

zoned for a data center?

>> It's I think that's unclear. Um, I think

what they what the city council

representatives have the right to to

vote against is something they've

already voted for. And that's

unfortunate. Whether or not the city

council will grant further variances,

further entitlements,

and make development there as easy as

the developers want, I think is a is a

good question. But the city council

already kind of sold us out on this one.

Much of this council already voted I

think at you know a little bit at legal

gunpoint that they really didn't have an

alternative position to take. The city

the city sold land under a certain set

of assumptions and conditions that

cannot be honored if the deed has to be

honored. So, are they more worried about

getting sued by the community of Taylor

or are they more wor worried about

getting sued by a developer and they

have told us in their votes that they're

more concerned about getting sued by the

developer

>> because they would have more money and

more time to draw it out.

>> I think that's part of it. Um, but also

there's no downside to getting sued by

the community and there's lots of

downside to getting sued by the

developer.

>> They would also have $10 million to pay

for that getting sued by the developer

though.

>> Yeah. Well, and the tax revenue that

they're hoping to get from the

development. So, like even if they were

sued and they still have a data center

go in, right? It's a data center that

can plug and play because it's next to a

substation. It's got lines across it.

So, the citizens aren't actually having

to pay for more um infrastructure and

the city doesn't have to pay for more

infrastructure. sure they can get that

data center online, get more tax

revenue, and so they kind of still make

out in the end even if those residents

end up in poverty because their taxes go

up, their values go down, and they

health-wise are 500 ft from a data

center, and nobody wants to buy a house

there. You can't sell and then end up in

another community. So, you lose that

historically. So, the city wins no

matter what by allowing that data center

to go in. and they've admitted that we

have somebody who's on the council now

who said they were on the EDC for 13

years and they couldn't give that land

away to a room full of people who golfed

out loud and said we don't have a gas

station on our side of town. We don't

have a child care center or a grocery

store or anything. You could have put

anything on that piece of land, but you

chose to put a data center and cause

people to be in poverty. Like that's the

bottom line. But they will make out

fine. But again, you know, that city

council that did vote for that did made

none of the decisions that put them in a

place to have to vote for or against the

data center, right?

>> That's a shitty position to be in.

>> It's a shitty position to be in.

>> It's like that Harry Truman thing, the

buck stops here. Like it stop you have

to you're the one that gets to make the

difficult decisions

>> and there's a lot of really crappy

decisions to make.

>> And sometimes it's like there are

decisions that are easy and then there's

what's easy to live with. And I've

noticed that throughout my life, what's

easy to do is very different than from

what's easy to live with.

>> Absolutely.

>> Absolutely.

>> So, you know, I think if if

>> my guess is, and I I don't know what

they're what they're having to deal

with, but I I know that they're having

to deal with lawyers that are telling

them that they're under a lot of legal

risk for doing the right thing.

>> So, I don't blame them. I empathize with

them, but I think they're making the

wrong decision. I've always noticed that

when there's a decision that has a lot

of risk attached, if I'm doing the right

thing for the right reason, that people

tend to like the world just manages to

find a way to defend you even if you

can't see it through. Like in 2016 when

Apple told me take down these videos

that have a schematic in it. I mean, my

lawyer told me dead to right. It says on

the bottom right of the video, it says

confidential proprietary property of

Apple Inc. trade secret. Do not

distribute at all. And here I am

displaying it on the screen while giving

the company the finger. And my lawyer

says, "Oh, they're asking nicely. This

would be pretty easy. Just take it

down." I said, "No." I said, "What? What

do you what do you mean no? And I said,

"Yeah, I want I want to I want them to

say when they file a claim, I want them

to write at 58 seconds, Lewis is showing

you where a fuse is, and we don't want

you to know where the fuse is in your

product." Now, I may they may have me

dead to rights legally, but morally and

everything else, they didn't. And my

videos are still up. I haven't been

suited to the ground. I still exist as a

company. The world finds a way to

somehow defend or will come around the

people that are doing the right thing.

And I I know that the city council

likely feels like they're they're in a

corner and they probably resent the fact

that they were put into a corner by

incompetent people who or malicious

people. I'm not going to assume one or

the other until I know who came before

them. But if they have to believe that

if they do the right thing now that the

community and people will come together

and make sure that they're taken care

of.

>> So I think you you asked us before like

why did we like why we're here today?

Like why do we show up to these things?

I mean, we have not agreed with

everything that city council has done

over, you know, many years now, but

we've always been there to support them

when they're making the right decision.

And I don't really care what they voted

on before, all of us will come together

to support them through a really hard

decision like this. If we're $10 million

in debt or or worse because of whatever

we get sued on, you know, this community

will suffer through it. And we'll do it,

I think, in a lot better and more united

sense than we will if we got a data

center looking at us over the tracks

every day.

>> And honestly, from a community that's

been polarized so much in the last

couple of years, the fact that people

are coming out from all sides of the

political spectrum, left, right, center,

all of it. And um we're no longer going

left or right and fighting each other

about different cultural things. We

actually consider that a luxury. were

like, "Hey, we're here because we want

clean water and we want air and we want

the right to have our land." And we are

craving, we come into this city hall and

we are hungry for people that will

advocate for people. It's only going to

get more expensive to do the right

thing. It's only going to get more

treacherous. But if they would rise up

and represent the people, which is their

job, not to explain how corporations are

going to make our city better, but to

actually represent the people, we would

parade them through the streets. we

would catch them on that freef fall and

we're trying to tell them that like

we're all in here cha shouting for you

but time and time again we come into

this hall hungry for leadership and

advocacy and we leave starving and we're

really waiting for them to take that

moment to say like oh this is the right

path and we will just champion them for

that

>> thank you so much for taking the time to

answer all my questions and come out and

give a [ __ ]

>> yeah thank you sir really pleasure

meeting you meeting you

>> that's it for today and as always I hope

you learned something I'll see you in

the next video bye