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Hey y'all. I'm seeing a disturbing trend

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as a psychiatrist, which is that therapy

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speak is starting to become weaponized.

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So, here's an example of a DM that um we

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just kind of found on the internet that

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was tweeted out. And let's take a look

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at this message. I need to talk to you.

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I've removed you from this Sunday's

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collab and from the server as a whole.

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Some of my friends have found you to be

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extremely obnoxious, hyper, and

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all-around too loud during our calls. I

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think you need to sit back and evaluate

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how you act in this community. Being

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loud and obnoxious is just

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attention-seeking. You can argue, but

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nobody in their right mind acts like

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this. You need to realize nobody likes

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you for this. Nobody wants to support

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someone who tries. I honestly don't

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think you were meant for this. I would

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step back and think about this. Until

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you get your together, I

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unfortunately will be cutting ties with

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you just to keep myself safe. I hope you

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heal and stop trying to be someone you

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aren't. So, this is happening more and

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more. People will receive a DM. You'll

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get a text message where someone lays

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out all of these claims, blames you in

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some way, plays the victim, and uses

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therapy speak. Oh yeah, the problem here

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is that you need to heal. I'm cutting

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you off. You can argue, but nobody in

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their right mind acts like this, right?

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They use all of these phrases to

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basically weaponize therapy speak to

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exclude someone from their social group.

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They place all of the responsibility on

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you. And it turns out that this kind of

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behavior is actually potentially tied to

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things like psychopathy, narcissism,

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mchaveliism, what we call the dark

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triad. So what's scary is really how

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common this is. One study found that 24

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to 34% of people pretended to be hurt in

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some way to get something that they

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wanted. Another study found that about

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80% of people have seen this happen. So

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this is happening increasingly commonly.

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So the other really scary thing about

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this is how textbook this is. So here's

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a paper from 2017 on something called

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Darvo, which is deny, attack, and

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reverse victim and an offender. Darvo is

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a framework that basically people who

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have been manipulative have used for

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arguably hundreds if not thousands of

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years. So this is when they sort of play

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the victim. So if you try to criticize

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them in some way, the first thing that

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they'll do is they'll deny that this

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ever happened. The second thing that

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they'll do is attack you, right? So

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they'll blame you for trying to hold

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them accountable. And the third thing

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that they'll do is reverse the victim

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and offender. So instead of like taking

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accountability for what they did wrong,

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they will somehow become the victim and

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blame you for creating the situation. So

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we're going to take a look at a

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questionnaire that literally goes over

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Darvo items. We're going to show it on

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the screen. Y'all can pause to read if

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you want. But here's the really

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fascinating thing. If you look at this

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study, which has Darvo question items

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from 2017,

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we can map on these questionnaire items

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to this DM. So now what we're going to

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do is show these things side by side and

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let's see, right? So let's see how many

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of the Darvo questionnaire items

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actually show up in this this tweet.

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Some of my f friends found you to be

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extremely obnoxious, hyper, and

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all-around too loud during calls. So,

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this is something that people will do.

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They will not have a personal problem

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with you. They'll say, "Oh, yeah, all of

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these other people found you to be

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obnoxious." Okay? Being loud and

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obnoxious is attention-seeking. You can

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argue, but no one in their right mind

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acts like this. You need to realize that

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nobody likes you for this. Nobody wants

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to support you, right? This is nobody.

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Everybody and nobody like nobody wants

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to support you. Everyone thinks you're

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bad. It's not just me. I don't have a

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problem with you. It's everybody. Until

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you get your together, I

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unfortunately will be cutting ties with

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you just to keep myself safe. Once

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again, I have been hurt. I am the victim

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here. I hope you heal and stop trying to

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be someone that you aren't. You need to

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fix this problem. So, this is crazy.

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This is like in one set of DMs, which is

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I don't know, maybe like a dozen

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sentences, we see several textbook cases

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of Darvo. So, what's going on here? This

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comes down to something called virtuous

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victimhood. So many years ago, there

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were lots and lots of problems like

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prior to the Me Too movement where there

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was like, you know, generations of women

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that had been sexually assaulted by men

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in power and we did not believe them.

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Here's a great example of uh Courtney

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Love talking about this back in 2005.

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>> Hi, Central.

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>> Do you have any advice for a young girl

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moving to Hollywood?

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>> Um, I'll get live

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invites you to a private party in the

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Four Seasons.

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So after this me too movement broke

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around 2017, we started to believe

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victims. This is generally speaking a

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good thing, right? So what people have

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been complaining about like Weinstein

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and Epstein for many many many years and

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like no one believed them and then we

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started saying okay let's believe

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victims but then we run into a slight

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problem once we start believing victims.

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There are some people in our society who

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have dark triad traits. These are people

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who are psychopathic. So they don't care

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about the feelings of others. They're

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narcissistic. They're very s

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self-centered and they're mchavelian,

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which means that they will use whatever

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means necessary to to advance their own

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interests. And so, here's what's really

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interesting. After the MeToo movement,

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being a victim was a way to advance your

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cause. Now, there are absolutely cases

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where this is very justified, right?

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Like being a victim is an appropriate

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way to get resources from the society

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around you. If I've if I get hit by a

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car, people are kind to me. They're more

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compassionate with for me. I may start a

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GoFundMe and raise some money, right?

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So, it makes sense that we take care of

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victims as a society, especially in the

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West where we're like taking care of

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people is like generally a good thing.

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Hey y'all, if you're interested in

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applying some of the principles that we

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share to actually create change in your

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life, check out Dr. K's guide to mental

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health. And so we start by understanding

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what literally is meditation. How does

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experience shape us as human beings? How

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do we strengthen the mind itself as an

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organ? And so by understanding our mind,

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we understand a very very simple tool, a

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crucial tool that we have to learn how

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to use if we want to build the life that

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we want to. So check out the link in the

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bio and start your journey today. Being

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a victim is an effective way to do

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something called asymmetric resource

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extraction. It's where I'm a victim and

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I don't have to give you anything, but I

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can receive something. And these

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resources can be both material and

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non-material. So, it can be stuff like

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money from the GoFundMe. And it can be

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stuff like kindness and compassion and

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psychological resources. So, we live in

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a society where we're believing victims

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more. That's generally speaking a good

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thing. And when we're a victim, people

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take care of us, right? So then we have

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a problem though because there are some

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people in our society who will

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camouflage themselves as victims. This

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happens all throughout nature. Take a

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look at this clip from David

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Atenboroough.

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>> Another mantis is shaped and colored

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like a flower

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and gets a reward for the resemblance.

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So if there are resources to be

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extracted, some people will take

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advantage of this system. And this is

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where there's a really fascinating study

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that looked at the correlation between

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dark triad traits. These are things like

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narcissism, psychopathy, and

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mchavelliism

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with something called virtuous

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victimhood signaling. Okay, so this

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study basically found that first of all,

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victims get stuff, which we've already

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talked about. There's an asymmetric

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resource extraction. Then they also

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discovered something really interesting

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which is that generally speaking human

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beings even if someone is a victim

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people have like mixed feelings about

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that. Okay. So like on the one hand we

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want to support victims and so I will

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take care of you if you're sick if I'm

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well like that makes me feel good but we

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generally speaking have a tolerance or a

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limit to that right we don't want to

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take care of someone who is chronically

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ill and is sort of chronically crying

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wolf and like we don't want to be like

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overly invested with them for extended

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periods of time. So people who fit dark

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triad traits engage in another piece of

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this victimhood signaling which is

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virtuous victimhood signaling. So this

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is where our society has a really

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interesting perspective on virtue on

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being moral on being a good person.

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First thing to understand is this is

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independent from being a victim. We have

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good people and we have people that we

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pity right the victims. Interesting

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thing is when you combine these two

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traits being virtuous and being a victim

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it increases the signal that you

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receive. And the reason I'm going into

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this is because if y'all are living in

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today's world, you will encounter these

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people. These people are anywhere

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between 24 to 34% of people admitted

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doing it, right? Who are consciously

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aware of it. There's another group, I'd

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say about another 25 to 35% that do it

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quite regularly but are not consciously

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aware of it. So like a lot of people are

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doing this and it's important for you to

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understand what this pattern looks like,

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right? How to tell whether someone is

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sort of like doing this to you or not

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doing it to you. And this is where

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virtuosity comes in. So not only are

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they playing the victim, but they will

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virtue signal outside of that. So they

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will pretend to be virtuous. So virtue

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signaling is defined as the conspicuous

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expression of moral values done

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primarily with the intent of enhancing

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one's standing within a social group.

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Okay. Portraying oneself as a moral

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person can provide supporting evidence

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for the credibility and legitimacy of

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one's victim signal. So this is what

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these people will do. They will virtue

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signal. They will pretend to be good.

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And this lends credence and legitimacy

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to when they claim to be the victim. And

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this is why it's so hard to fight

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against them, right? If I say, "Hey, you

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need to, you know, hey, can you please

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pay me back?" When I hold you

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accountable for something bad that you

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did, if you virtue signal along with

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crying the victim, other people are more

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likely to take that victimhood signal

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seriously. And these are the techniques

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that these people use. Turns out that

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when we study people who do this, we do

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find a really interesting association.

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People who are psychopaths will pretend

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to be the victim, but they won't virtue

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signal. So, if you're just pray straight

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psychopathic or sociopathic, you lack

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the empathy to be virtuous, right? You

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don't pretend to be virtuous, but you're

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all for playing the victim. What's

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really interesting is being

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narcissistic. These people will virtue

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signal a lot, but they won't play the

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victim. Now, why is that? Because if I'm

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the victim, that means I'm weak. That

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means I got taken advant advantage of.

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And if I'm narcissistic, I'm not someone

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who gets taken advantage of. Here's the

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really interesting thing. Only

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sociopathy means that we virtue signal.

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Only narcissist means that we virtue

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signal. But if we have the dark triad

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personality, if we are both narcissistic

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and psychopathic and are mchavelian,

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then we will do both. So how do we spot

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this? Look for people who are both

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virtue signaling and victim signaling.

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Look for the language, right? So you you

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yall can use that Darvo questionnaire.

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When someone uses this language with

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you, that means that you're in the realm

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of someone who is probably weaponizing

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therapy speak. And then we get to the

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biggest problem, which is what do I do?

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And this is what's so hard about this is

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like if you try to defend yourself,

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often times you will get outgunned. And

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people are really confused. They're

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like, I don't understand how this person

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gets away with playing the victim. Like

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I'm the person who said, "Hey, this

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person borrowed money from me and they

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didn't give it back." Like I'm actually

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the person who is wronged here and

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somehow this person is turning it around

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on me and people are believing them and

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not believing me. And that's because

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they are combining they're using the

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synergy build of virtue signaling with

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victimhood, which allows the people

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around you or makes the people around

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you more likely to believe their victim

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signal than your victim signal. Make

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sense? All right. So if this is

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happening to you, simple question is Dr.

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K, what do I do? Step number one is

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notice it, right? And even this is a

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little bit difficult because how do you

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know if someone is pretending to be the

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victim or claiming to be the victim and

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said you did all of this stuff wrong?

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How do you know if they're gaslighting

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you, which is commonly something that

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they will do, or whether they're right?

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Right? So are you out of line or are

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they g gaslighting you? Which one is it?

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And that's why we showed you the Darvo

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questions. Literally what I would

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recommend you all do is look at those

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questions and look at the way that they

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speak to you. How many of those things

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do they engage in? Second thing, once

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you figured out that you are indeed

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being gaslit, you've got a slight

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problem because this is usually

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happening in a social situation and if

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someone is doing this to you, this is

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the way that they work, right? This is

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like the way they've been trained. This

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is happening maybe subconsciously, maybe

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it's happening consciously. So often

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times you can sort of get into this

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competitive virtue signaling victimhood

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kind of thing like no I'm the victim no

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I'm the victim. I mean if you're good at

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that you can try to beat them at their

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own game but chances are they've been

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doing it longer than you have. Chances

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are they do it quite a bit so they will

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outgun you there. And so this is where

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the unfortunately like the best answer

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as a psychiatrist is to not engage with

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them. Now a lot of y'all may have

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problems with this because you'll say

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but Dr. K, I have no choice. They're at

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my work. They're in my family. They're

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in my friend group. Are you saying I

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should abandon the friend group? That's

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not what I said. Don't engage with them

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in a meaningful way as best as you can.

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Now, sometimes you have to. Sometimes

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you can't avoid it. There's a certain

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amount of like social surfing that as

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you get better, you can sort of step

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away from them. You can still interact

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with them, still be civil with them, but

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certainly don't try to hold them

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accountable for anything. Stop loaning

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the money. Try to pull back from them.

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And here's the reason why. if they are

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really good at this, they are not just

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doing it with you. And in social

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circles, we oftentimes try to engage

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with someone who's like a good punching

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bag for RBS, which means that as they

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burn the bridge with you, you're pulling

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back from them. And then if they're

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really in the wrong and if they are

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personalitywise psychopathic

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narcissistic mchavelian if they're doing

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this a lot they will then start to do it

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with other people in your fra friend

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friend group. As long as you are

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presenting yourself as a target they

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will target you. But as you start to

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step back in any normal friend group or

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any normal family there is some kind of

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conflict right that happens between

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human beings. Always happens. But as

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long as you are the focus of that

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conflict, you're not giving them the

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opportunity to burn bridges with the

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people around you. And that is

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absolutely something that they will do,

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which is why we move to this third thing

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that you should do, which is engage with

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people one-on-one who are in your social

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network. And this is what you should do.

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You can do a couple of things. One is

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you can ask them, "Hey, I just had this

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thing happen with this person. We had

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this conflict. Um, you know, I thought

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they owed me money. like they do owe me

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money, but when I asked them for money,

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they started to say all this stuff. Am I

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crazy? So, ask somebody else for their

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opinion. Really good opportunity for a

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temperature check. If you want to go

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hard, I wouldn't recommend doing this

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out of the gate, but you can forward

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them text messages. You can even forward

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them the Darvo paper and be like, "Hey,

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I know this is kind of insane, but I,

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you know, I I recently learned about

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this concept. Do you think I'm crazy

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here for thinking that these two things

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are lining up?" Don't ask them to take

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sides. you know, you have to be careful

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about them then forwarding that crap to

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the person who is attacking you in the

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first place and they're going to even

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play the the victim even more. So, you

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have to be careful about these

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particulars. The key thing though is

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that you want to form a one-on-one

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relationship as as well as you can. And

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the reason for that is as the person who

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is narcissistic, Mchavelian, etc.,

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gaslighting everybody around them and

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always playing the victim. They will

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burn additional bridges. And when they

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burn additional bridges, you can reach

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out to that person or even preemptively

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say, "Hey, look, this happened to me. I

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don't know who's in the right. I don't

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know who's in the wrong. I feel like

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this person is out of line. I feel like

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I'm in the right. If they do this to

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you, I'm here for you. And that's

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ultimately the best thing that you can

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do. And over time, what'll happen is

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they'll burn the bridges and you are

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there to reform those relationships. So

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be on the lookout for weaponized therapy

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speak because it's happening a lot. And

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so by understanding our mind, we

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understand a very very simple tool, a

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crucial tool that we have to learn how

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to use if we want to build the life that

16:27

we want to.

Interactive Summary

The video, presented by a psychiatrist, discusses the disturbing trend of "therapy speak" being weaponized in interpersonal communication. It uses an example DM to illustrate how individuals, often those with Dark Triad traits (psychopathy, narcissism, Machiavellianism), employ manipulative tactics. A key framework introduced is DARVO (Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender), which explains how manipulators deny wrongdoing, attack accusers, and then portray themselves as the victim. The video explains that after the Me Too movement, being a victim gained social currency, which manipulators exploit through "virtuous victimhood signaling." This involves combining victimhood with virtue signaling to enhance their credibility and legitimacy. The speaker differentiates how psychopaths (victim signal), narcissists (virtue signal), and full Dark Triad individuals (both) operate. Finally, the video provides advice on how to deal with such individuals: recognize the pattern (using DARVO as a guide), avoid meaningful engagement with them, and instead focus on building one-on-one relationships with others in your social network, as the manipulator will eventually burn bridges.

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