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Hey y'all. I'm seeing a disturbing trend
as a psychiatrist, which is that therapy
speak is starting to become weaponized.
So, here's an example of a DM that um we
just kind of found on the internet that
was tweeted out. And let's take a look
at this message. I need to talk to you.
I've removed you from this Sunday's
collab and from the server as a whole.
Some of my friends have found you to be
extremely obnoxious, hyper, and
all-around too loud during our calls. I
think you need to sit back and evaluate
how you act in this community. Being
loud and obnoxious is just
attention-seeking. You can argue, but
nobody in their right mind acts like
this. You need to realize nobody likes
you for this. Nobody wants to support
someone who tries. I honestly don't
think you were meant for this. I would
step back and think about this. Until
you get your together, I
unfortunately will be cutting ties with
you just to keep myself safe. I hope you
heal and stop trying to be someone you
aren't. So, this is happening more and
more. People will receive a DM. You'll
get a text message where someone lays
out all of these claims, blames you in
some way, plays the victim, and uses
therapy speak. Oh yeah, the problem here
is that you need to heal. I'm cutting
you off. You can argue, but nobody in
their right mind acts like this, right?
They use all of these phrases to
basically weaponize therapy speak to
exclude someone from their social group.
They place all of the responsibility on
you. And it turns out that this kind of
behavior is actually potentially tied to
things like psychopathy, narcissism,
mchaveliism, what we call the dark
triad. So what's scary is really how
common this is. One study found that 24
to 34% of people pretended to be hurt in
some way to get something that they
wanted. Another study found that about
80% of people have seen this happen. So
this is happening increasingly commonly.
So the other really scary thing about
this is how textbook this is. So here's
a paper from 2017 on something called
Darvo, which is deny, attack, and
reverse victim and an offender. Darvo is
a framework that basically people who
have been manipulative have used for
arguably hundreds if not thousands of
years. So this is when they sort of play
the victim. So if you try to criticize
them in some way, the first thing that
they'll do is they'll deny that this
ever happened. The second thing that
they'll do is attack you, right? So
they'll blame you for trying to hold
them accountable. And the third thing
that they'll do is reverse the victim
and offender. So instead of like taking
accountability for what they did wrong,
they will somehow become the victim and
blame you for creating the situation. So
we're going to take a look at a
questionnaire that literally goes over
Darvo items. We're going to show it on
the screen. Y'all can pause to read if
you want. But here's the really
fascinating thing. If you look at this
study, which has Darvo question items
from 2017,
we can map on these questionnaire items
to this DM. So now what we're going to
do is show these things side by side and
let's see, right? So let's see how many
of the Darvo questionnaire items
actually show up in this this tweet.
Some of my f friends found you to be
extremely obnoxious, hyper, and
all-around too loud during calls. So,
this is something that people will do.
They will not have a personal problem
with you. They'll say, "Oh, yeah, all of
these other people found you to be
obnoxious." Okay? Being loud and
obnoxious is attention-seeking. You can
argue, but no one in their right mind
acts like this. You need to realize that
nobody likes you for this. Nobody wants
to support you, right? This is nobody.
Everybody and nobody like nobody wants
to support you. Everyone thinks you're
bad. It's not just me. I don't have a
problem with you. It's everybody. Until
you get your together, I
unfortunately will be cutting ties with
you just to keep myself safe. Once
again, I have been hurt. I am the victim
here. I hope you heal and stop trying to
be someone that you aren't. You need to
fix this problem. So, this is crazy.
This is like in one set of DMs, which is
I don't know, maybe like a dozen
sentences, we see several textbook cases
of Darvo. So, what's going on here? This
comes down to something called virtuous
victimhood. So many years ago, there
were lots and lots of problems like
prior to the Me Too movement where there
was like, you know, generations of women
that had been sexually assaulted by men
in power and we did not believe them.
Here's a great example of uh Courtney
Love talking about this back in 2005.
>> Hi, Central.
>> Do you have any advice for a young girl
moving to Hollywood?
>> Um, I'll get live
invites you to a private party in the
Four Seasons.
So after this me too movement broke
around 2017, we started to believe
victims. This is generally speaking a
good thing, right? So what people have
been complaining about like Weinstein
and Epstein for many many many years and
like no one believed them and then we
started saying okay let's believe
victims but then we run into a slight
problem once we start believing victims.
There are some people in our society who
have dark triad traits. These are people
who are psychopathic. So they don't care
about the feelings of others. They're
narcissistic. They're very s
self-centered and they're mchavelian,
which means that they will use whatever
means necessary to to advance their own
interests. And so, here's what's really
interesting. After the MeToo movement,
being a victim was a way to advance your
cause. Now, there are absolutely cases
where this is very justified, right?
Like being a victim is an appropriate
way to get resources from the society
around you. If I've if I get hit by a
car, people are kind to me. They're more
compassionate with for me. I may start a
GoFundMe and raise some money, right?
So, it makes sense that we take care of
victims as a society, especially in the
West where we're like taking care of
people is like generally a good thing.
Hey y'all, if you're interested in
applying some of the principles that we
share to actually create change in your
life, check out Dr. K's guide to mental
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we understand a very very simple tool, a
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bio and start your journey today. Being
a victim is an effective way to do
something called asymmetric resource
extraction. It's where I'm a victim and
I don't have to give you anything, but I
can receive something. And these
resources can be both material and
non-material. So, it can be stuff like
money from the GoFundMe. And it can be
stuff like kindness and compassion and
psychological resources. So, we live in
a society where we're believing victims
more. That's generally speaking a good
thing. And when we're a victim, people
take care of us, right? So then we have
a problem though because there are some
people in our society who will
camouflage themselves as victims. This
happens all throughout nature. Take a
look at this clip from David
Atenboroough.
>> Another mantis is shaped and colored
like a flower
and gets a reward for the resemblance.
So if there are resources to be
extracted, some people will take
advantage of this system. And this is
where there's a really fascinating study
that looked at the correlation between
dark triad traits. These are things like
narcissism, psychopathy, and
mchavelliism
with something called virtuous
victimhood signaling. Okay, so this
study basically found that first of all,
victims get stuff, which we've already
talked about. There's an asymmetric
resource extraction. Then they also
discovered something really interesting
which is that generally speaking human
beings even if someone is a victim
people have like mixed feelings about
that. Okay. So like on the one hand we
want to support victims and so I will
take care of you if you're sick if I'm
well like that makes me feel good but we
generally speaking have a tolerance or a
limit to that right we don't want to
take care of someone who is chronically
ill and is sort of chronically crying
wolf and like we don't want to be like
overly invested with them for extended
periods of time. So people who fit dark
triad traits engage in another piece of
this victimhood signaling which is
virtuous victimhood signaling. So this
is where our society has a really
interesting perspective on virtue on
being moral on being a good person.
First thing to understand is this is
independent from being a victim. We have
good people and we have people that we
pity right the victims. Interesting
thing is when you combine these two
traits being virtuous and being a victim
it increases the signal that you
receive. And the reason I'm going into
this is because if y'all are living in
today's world, you will encounter these
people. These people are anywhere
between 24 to 34% of people admitted
doing it, right? Who are consciously
aware of it. There's another group, I'd
say about another 25 to 35% that do it
quite regularly but are not consciously
aware of it. So like a lot of people are
doing this and it's important for you to
understand what this pattern looks like,
right? How to tell whether someone is
sort of like doing this to you or not
doing it to you. And this is where
virtuosity comes in. So not only are
they playing the victim, but they will
virtue signal outside of that. So they
will pretend to be virtuous. So virtue
signaling is defined as the conspicuous
expression of moral values done
primarily with the intent of enhancing
one's standing within a social group.
Okay. Portraying oneself as a moral
person can provide supporting evidence
for the credibility and legitimacy of
one's victim signal. So this is what
these people will do. They will virtue
signal. They will pretend to be good.
And this lends credence and legitimacy
to when they claim to be the victim. And
this is why it's so hard to fight
against them, right? If I say, "Hey, you
need to, you know, hey, can you please
pay me back?" When I hold you
accountable for something bad that you
did, if you virtue signal along with
crying the victim, other people are more
likely to take that victimhood signal
seriously. And these are the techniques
that these people use. Turns out that
when we study people who do this, we do
find a really interesting association.
People who are psychopaths will pretend
to be the victim, but they won't virtue
signal. So, if you're just pray straight
psychopathic or sociopathic, you lack
the empathy to be virtuous, right? You
don't pretend to be virtuous, but you're
all for playing the victim. What's
really interesting is being
narcissistic. These people will virtue
signal a lot, but they won't play the
victim. Now, why is that? Because if I'm
the victim, that means I'm weak. That
means I got taken advant advantage of.
And if I'm narcissistic, I'm not someone
who gets taken advantage of. Here's the
really interesting thing. Only
sociopathy means that we virtue signal.
Only narcissist means that we virtue
signal. But if we have the dark triad
personality, if we are both narcissistic
and psychopathic and are mchavelian,
then we will do both. So how do we spot
this? Look for people who are both
virtue signaling and victim signaling.
Look for the language, right? So you you
yall can use that Darvo questionnaire.
When someone uses this language with
you, that means that you're in the realm
of someone who is probably weaponizing
therapy speak. And then we get to the
biggest problem, which is what do I do?
And this is what's so hard about this is
like if you try to defend yourself,
often times you will get outgunned. And
people are really confused. They're
like, I don't understand how this person
gets away with playing the victim. Like
I'm the person who said, "Hey, this
person borrowed money from me and they
didn't give it back." Like I'm actually
the person who is wronged here and
somehow this person is turning it around
on me and people are believing them and
not believing me. And that's because
they are combining they're using the
synergy build of virtue signaling with
victimhood, which allows the people
around you or makes the people around
you more likely to believe their victim
signal than your victim signal. Make
sense? All right. So if this is
happening to you, simple question is Dr.
K, what do I do? Step number one is
notice it, right? And even this is a
little bit difficult because how do you
know if someone is pretending to be the
victim or claiming to be the victim and
said you did all of this stuff wrong?
How do you know if they're gaslighting
you, which is commonly something that
they will do, or whether they're right?
Right? So are you out of line or are
they g gaslighting you? Which one is it?
And that's why we showed you the Darvo
questions. Literally what I would
recommend you all do is look at those
questions and look at the way that they
speak to you. How many of those things
do they engage in? Second thing, once
you figured out that you are indeed
being gaslit, you've got a slight
problem because this is usually
happening in a social situation and if
someone is doing this to you, this is
the way that they work, right? This is
like the way they've been trained. This
is happening maybe subconsciously, maybe
it's happening consciously. So often
times you can sort of get into this
competitive virtue signaling victimhood
kind of thing like no I'm the victim no
I'm the victim. I mean if you're good at
that you can try to beat them at their
own game but chances are they've been
doing it longer than you have. Chances
are they do it quite a bit so they will
outgun you there. And so this is where
the unfortunately like the best answer
as a psychiatrist is to not engage with
them. Now a lot of y'all may have
problems with this because you'll say
but Dr. K, I have no choice. They're at
my work. They're in my family. They're
in my friend group. Are you saying I
should abandon the friend group? That's
not what I said. Don't engage with them
in a meaningful way as best as you can.
Now, sometimes you have to. Sometimes
you can't avoid it. There's a certain
amount of like social surfing that as
you get better, you can sort of step
away from them. You can still interact
with them, still be civil with them, but
certainly don't try to hold them
accountable for anything. Stop loaning
the money. Try to pull back from them.
And here's the reason why. if they are
really good at this, they are not just
doing it with you. And in social
circles, we oftentimes try to engage
with someone who's like a good punching
bag for RBS, which means that as they
burn the bridge with you, you're pulling
back from them. And then if they're
really in the wrong and if they are
personalitywise psychopathic
narcissistic mchavelian if they're doing
this a lot they will then start to do it
with other people in your fra friend
friend group. As long as you are
presenting yourself as a target they
will target you. But as you start to
step back in any normal friend group or
any normal family there is some kind of
conflict right that happens between
human beings. Always happens. But as
long as you are the focus of that
conflict, you're not giving them the
opportunity to burn bridges with the
people around you. And that is
absolutely something that they will do,
which is why we move to this third thing
that you should do, which is engage with
people one-on-one who are in your social
network. And this is what you should do.
You can do a couple of things. One is
you can ask them, "Hey, I just had this
thing happen with this person. We had
this conflict. Um, you know, I thought
they owed me money. like they do owe me
money, but when I asked them for money,
they started to say all this stuff. Am I
crazy? So, ask somebody else for their
opinion. Really good opportunity for a
temperature check. If you want to go
hard, I wouldn't recommend doing this
out of the gate, but you can forward
them text messages. You can even forward
them the Darvo paper and be like, "Hey,
I know this is kind of insane, but I,
you know, I I recently learned about
this concept. Do you think I'm crazy
here for thinking that these two things
are lining up?" Don't ask them to take
sides. you know, you have to be careful
about them then forwarding that crap to
the person who is attacking you in the
first place and they're going to even
play the the victim even more. So, you
have to be careful about these
particulars. The key thing though is
that you want to form a one-on-one
relationship as as well as you can. And
the reason for that is as the person who
is narcissistic, Mchavelian, etc.,
gaslighting everybody around them and
always playing the victim. They will
burn additional bridges. And when they
burn additional bridges, you can reach
out to that person or even preemptively
say, "Hey, look, this happened to me. I
don't know who's in the right. I don't
know who's in the wrong. I feel like
this person is out of line. I feel like
I'm in the right. If they do this to
you, I'm here for you. And that's
ultimately the best thing that you can
do. And over time, what'll happen is
they'll burn the bridges and you are
there to reform those relationships. So
be on the lookout for weaponized therapy
speak because it's happening a lot. And
so by understanding our mind, we
understand a very very simple tool, a
crucial tool that we have to learn how
to use if we want to build the life that
we want to.
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The video, presented by a psychiatrist, discusses the disturbing trend of "therapy speak" being weaponized in interpersonal communication. It uses an example DM to illustrate how individuals, often those with Dark Triad traits (psychopathy, narcissism, Machiavellianism), employ manipulative tactics. A key framework introduced is DARVO (Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender), which explains how manipulators deny wrongdoing, attack accusers, and then portray themselves as the victim. The video explains that after the Me Too movement, being a victim gained social currency, which manipulators exploit through "virtuous victimhood signaling." This involves combining victimhood with virtue signaling to enhance their credibility and legitimacy. The speaker differentiates how psychopaths (victim signal), narcissists (virtue signal), and full Dark Triad individuals (both) operate. Finally, the video provides advice on how to deal with such individuals: recognize the pattern (using DARVO as a guide), avoid meaningful engagement with them, and instead focus on building one-on-one relationships with others in your social network, as the manipulator will eventually burn bridges.
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