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>> All right. Champ is here.

>> Last time I saw you, I think it was

before the Maderov fight, wasn't it?

>> Wasn't it before that fight? It was

before that fight.

>> And that was just around the time you

were talking about fighting Canelo. And

everybody was like, "That's crazy. He's

going to go up all the way to 168. Two

more weight classes above that. That's

nuts.

Everybody's got to shut the [ __ ] up now.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> You know what I say? Skills pay the

bills.

>> They do. They do. Skills are everything,

man. Uh but the thing is, it's like,

it's interesting. I watched both the

Canawa fight and the Madrimov fight

again recently, and Majimov looked

bigger.

>> Mhm.

>> He looked bigger than Canelo. It was

really interesting.

>> He was a big dude.

>> He's a big dude. I wonder what that guy

walks around at

>> cuz it's not 154.

>> No, not at all. He fought at 160 his

last fight,

>> did he?

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. Really an outstanding performance

against Canelo. It was uh like I was

saying telling you before, it was a

great I told you so fight for me cuz uh

there were so many of my friends that

are big boxing fans that just thought

Canelo was too big. They thought was too

much of a jump. He's too experienced.

>> But you got it. I mean, you made it look

I want to say easy. It wasn't that it

was easy, but it was definitive. You

know, it was it was such a clear

victory. It was so It was at one point

when you were pity patting him and then

firing off hard shots, I was like, "Oh

my goodness, he's feeling it."

>> Yeah. I was I was in my element. I was

in the zone.

Mainly because a lot of people was

doubting me as well, you know, telling

me I was going to get knocked out. I was

too small and I was just fighting for

the money when I knew what I was capable

of. So, I was just like, I'm I'm going

to show y'all what I'm really about

because this is not the first time that

I didn't heard that, oh, he can't do

this, he can't do that.

>> I think your situation is very similar

to when Roy Jones was in his prime

because when Roy Jones was in his prime,

everybody was saying Roy Jones, other

than James Tony, Roy Jones really hadn't

fought anybody. am I? And I was like,

"No, he's just that much better than

everybody else. It makes it look like

they're not good." If you saw them fight

against everybody else, you would say,

"These guys are awesome."

>> For sure. For sure. And I I've been

dealing with that my whole career. You

know, people getting

so much praise after fighting a guy that

I already knocked out. You know, if they

beat him, oh, such and such beat this

guy. But me, it's, oh, you're fighting

tomato cans or you fighting bombs and

things like that. So, it's just like,

>> it was just because you're doing it so

well. That's what it is. It's just

people, they they try to find flaws in

every great performance. And the flaws,

the only flaws they could find is Yeah.

But who are these guys that he beat?

>> Mhm.

>> But you beat great guys,

>> champions.

>> Yeah. I mean, listen,

>> one of the more interesting fights to me

was a Benvitz fight. I I rewatched that

again recently too especially that

>> because there's so much tension. Yeah.

>> There's so much [ __ ] talking and tension

and so many emotions

>> and he can fight.

>> He can fight.

>> You know a lot of people they looking at

his injury and he fought no different

from

before or after the injury. He fought

the same, you know. So that's another

thing that they going to say, oh well he

had got shot in the leg and if he didn't

then this would have happened or that

would have happened and I'm like he

fought the same. Like if you know boxing

and you see him box nothing changed from

his boxing standpoint. He wasn't a

mover. He wasn't this guy that used his

legs uh as a defense or offense. So, I

just take it as a grain of salt and

laugh at

>> him. I'm sure that injury sucked, but he

he fought the same and he fought well. I

mean, he's a tough guy. He he fought

really well.

>> Took me 12 rounds.

>> Yeah. Listen, and but that right

uppercut in that 12th round that put him

down. I was like, "Oh my goodness." I I

remember watching that fight live. I was

like, "Oh, there it is.

>> There it is. You found him."

>> Yeah. He he had good head movement, you

know,

>> tough guy. He he was he was ducking them

hooks and them straight straight

punches. So I was just like, "All right,

I got to switch it up."

>> Well, also he believed in himself

>> for sure. Definitely.

>> I mean, he came into that fight to win.

>> Oh, definitely. Most definitely. Most

definitely.

>> It's uh it's beautiful to watch you get

what you deserve because I felt like,

man, if you retired after this fight, I

don't think people that are casuals

would really appreciate your skill set.

Yeah. Yeah, you know, the people inside

boxing, the re the the people that

really know boxing did, but I felt like

too many of the casuals just talk so

much [ __ ] and so the the Canelo fight

was the cherry on top of the Sunday.

>> Yeah, it was. And even now, a lot of

people saying, "Oh, well, Canelo's

washed. He's old." And I'm like, "Well,

I'm older than him. Like, what are we

talking about?" You know? So, I just I

just love it, you know, because it just

shows what level I'm on, you know, for

everybody to already know what's what

what happened and then they try to take

what happened and make it a reason why

it happened,

>> right?

>> So, I just be like, man, it's cool.

>> That's boxing, though, right? That's

sports in general. You're always going

to have that. There's always going to be

a bunch of sideline people that talk a

lot of [ __ ] But, you know, for a lot of

fighters, it's later in their career,

especially when they're avoided or they

have difficult difficulty signing big

fights. It's later in their career that

people really appreciate them. Like,

think about Bernard. It wasn't until

Bernard Hopkins beat Felix Trinidad that

people are like, "Oh shit."

>> Like, I think he was like 37 or 36 when

he fought Trinidad. And a lot of people

were saying he's washed up.

it's over. And when he knocked out

Trinidad, everybody was like, "Oh,

okay."

>> Yeah. Yeah. I've been calling out

everybody since the beginning,

>> you know. Um, they created a whole side

of the street because of me, you know,

and I'm with a different promoter. It

was always something, you know, and

everybody always blamed me. But now look

at everybody now. All the promoters

working together now. Why couldn't they

work together when it was my turn to

shine? But it is what it is and life

happened and I'm happy the way it

happened because I did it my way and I

don't think too many other fighters can

say that. That's true. Yeah, it's uh

it's a dirty business. You know, the

business of promoters and keeping guys

away from guys and making sure that

their fighter, you know, avoid certain

fighters. It's it's always been that

way, you know, and it's unfortunate for

the fans because there's so many like

the big one for a long time was uh David

Benvdz and Canelo.

>> Like everybody wants to see that fight

and they just can't figure out a way to

make it happen. And you you got to think

someone's avoiding somebody and it's not

Benvdz.

>> No, not not not at all. You know, I just

think

Canelo

in a sense he know how big Benvda is

gonna come in the ring. You know,

Benvitz is a great fighter, you know,

but he's a big fighter. He's a tall

fighter, you know, and I just think

Canelo knows like why would I want to

get in the ring with this guy that's

going to be massive come fight time? And

I'm not that big of a guy at all. I've

been doing all this with my skills

because because Canelo's not a big guy.

He's been fighting big guys his whole

career.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, and beating them with skill,

>> you know, so you got to tip your hat off

to Canelo and what he's accomplished.

>> Absolutely.

>> Being 5'7 going up to 175 and fighting

these big guys and and actually winning

and

>> knocked out Kovalev. Yeah. I mean, it

was Kovalev later in his career, but

he's still Kovalev

>> for sure.

>> And then having the courage to fight

Bivval in his prime

>> for sure.

>> I think that's the fight that probably

kept us from getting the Benvitz fight,

the Bivval fight, cuz I think after that

fight, he's like, "Okay,

>> yeah, this dude big.

>> This is a little big

>> cuz Bal, not just big, but he's got that

Russian style. Light on the feet, in and

out, in and out, in and out. That's a

difficult style to handle,

>> you know, and the like the only guy to

be better beef

>> was another beast.

>> Yep. So, I think, you know, him knowing

that and then I think the disrespect

that he got from Benvdz had persuade him

to go elsewhere.

But, you know, there's been many boxers

from the past that didn't fight people

that they wanted to fight,

>> right?

>> You know, look at

Sugar Ray Leonard and uh Aaron Prior,

they never got that fight.

>> Mhm.

>> So, and that's just one. So, um it's

going to be like that. Well, it always

seems at the end that it all worked out

the way it was supposed to, you know,

and that's how it felt like for me after

your Canelo victory. Like this is this

is like, you know, all the [ __ ]

It's like now everybody has to shut the

[ __ ] up. It's like all the bullshit's

gone. It's like now everybody's got to

give you your just do because that was a

stellar championship performance. I

mean, that was one of the all-time great

performances because it was a Canelo

that's, you know, you could say whatever

you want. I think he's still in his

prime. And you just outboxed him. And

you outboxed him. I mean, think about

it. 40 to 47, 54, all the way up to 68.

And you out. That's right. 35 first,

right? That's right. That's crazy.

>> That's crazy. Going up from 35 to 68.

>> Yeah.

>> And outboxing the champ. And the way you

did it, too. It was so skillful. It was

so beautiful to watch, man. When you're

if you're a fan of skillful, intelligent

boxing, that was such a good fight to

watch cuz, you know, Canelo is a

dangerous guy. He's a heavy puncher and

he he puts a lot of power into his

punches. He's he's kind of changed over

the years and really relied more on his

power. But man, he knows how to land it.

And when he lands it, he puts people in

a lot of trouble. And he just there was

there was this one move that you were

doing where you were throwing a left

hand and then a quick hook behind it

before you even brought the hand back.

So he was going a counter and you were

throwing a quick hook.

>> I was like, "Oh, that is so pretty. That

is so catching the counter."

>> You know, Canelo is a great counter

puncher,

>> you know, so you got to beat him to it.

You got to counter to counter at times.

>> Did that fight play out the way you

thought it was going to play out? Yeah,

most definitely.

>> Exactly the way I thought.

>> Most definitely. We knew what we was up

against, you know, um when I went to his

fight against Berlingga and against um

the guy that's on his team. I forgot his

name. Mongia. Mongia.

When I was with Turkey, I said Turkey.

He can't beat me. just watching him from

135

to now like live. I'm looking at him,

I'm just like, I can beat this dude.

Like my confidence is getting more and

more and more. And his last fight in

Saudi Arabia, I was like,

"Yeah, he can't fight like that against

me." Which he didn't, which he

definitely rose his game. But I just

believed in myself that much that

nothing was going to stop me from

getting that victory that night.

>> The fight in Saudi Arabia, he looked

like under motivated. Yeah.

>> It wasn't a big enough challenge for

him. He didn't look like he was in the

same kind of shape physically. Like when

you look at him,

>> he wasn't, you know, and that and it

happens, you know. That's why I always

train like this is the toughest fight of

my career because it is. every fight is

and you never know what to expect with

those type of fighters that nobody know

about

>> right right

>> them be the the ones that sneak up on

you and you know you got to be ready for

him but he didn't come to fight he moved

the whole fight and you know Canelo was

frustrated he was just like a man this

dude didn't come to do anything

>> right he came to survive

>> yeah so I can see where he was

frustrated at

>> yeah Well, he probably thought he didn't

belong in there with Canelo either,

right? You know, so he probably said,

"Listen, if I just keep moving, I can

get out of here with my dignity intact

and just never get hit real good."

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. It's uh it's fascinating now

because before that fight, you were

looked at as one of the best boxers

today. Now, you're looked at as one of

the best fighters ever. And uh it's

interesting how that changes how people

now look at your body and then they look

at Errol Spence before you fought him

and go

>> Errol Spence can fight, man. He's a

really good fighter and a lot of people

discredited your victory over him

because of that car accident that he had

and maybe he wasn't as good as we

thought and but now with the Canelo

victory you you're in this

rare air of you know mentioned as one of

the greatest of all time.

>> Yeah. You know, there's a handful of

guys there is no, it's very difficult to

say the greatest of all time because

people want to go all the way back to

Sugar Ray Robinson. They, you know, they

throw Floyd in the mix, prime time, Roy

Jones. There's all these different

fighters they put as the greatest of all

time. But you are now in that

conversation.

>> That's got to be nice. It's beautiful,

you know, especially all the hard work

that I didn't put in to be here at that

pinnacle of the sport. You know, since I

was 7 years old, I've been boxing. I've

been fighting. I've been a fighter since

day one. So when people compare me to

like Sugar Ray Robinson and Floyd

Mayweather and Sugar Ray Leonard

comparing me to who will win, who will

win, that just let me know that I did my

job well in the sport.

>> Oh, you absolutely did now. You

definitely done done,

>> man. It's over with.

>> It's definitely over.

>> Yeah. I don't got. So I told I told a

couple of my close friends, I said,

"Okay, since 2014, I've been fighting

for something, a title. I won my first

title in 2014. March of 2014. Ever since

then, I've been fighting for titles.

Undisputed.

Titles. Undisputed. Undisputed titles.

Undisputed. like just everything that

I've been fighting for now and I just

come back and it's just like all right

what what's the motivation just money

you know like all right so what what is

on top of that you know because my my

thing was the money going to come know I

was taking pay cuts after pay cuts after

pay cuts because I knew what I wanted my

legacy to be when I finished boxing

I wanted to

remembered as one of the greatest

champions of all time, you know, and I

think I I did that, you know. So now

it's like this last fight that I had,

the height of it, there's no better

finish than that to me.

>> Yeah. what what was on the line coming

from where I came from, all the odds

that was stacked against me, all the

things that I had to go through and camp

and camp to get to that fight, you know,

it was just like, man, you did

everything right. So, what what can top

that?

>> I love that. I love when fighters go out

on top like that. And for for a fighter

to go out like you have with all your

championship experience, all the weight

classes you competed in undefeated and

beat Canelo, another all-time great. I

mean, that is that is a perfect finale.

>> Yeah.

>> For a spectacular career. It's pretty

dope

>> for sure.

>> And go out with your faculties intact,

your health intact, plenty of money.

It's nice. is is is beautiful because

nobody knows what us fighters adore to

get to the point to entertain

the fans. You know, we go through a lot.

You know, we put our body through a lot

and then when it's all said and done,

when our body broke down to the point

where we can't take care of oursel,

>> they don't care about us. They going to

say, "Oh, well, he was once a good

champion." And

>> we go to the fights, you see a lot of

old fighters showing up to the fights

and people just walk past them.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, they on to the next. Oh, let's

see the young fighter, you know, and

it's like they use you up till you have

nothing left, then they forget about

you.

>> Yeah. You know, so it's it's very

critical for these fighters to think

about their health first because

once it's once it's over with, it's over

with. And you can't you can't get your

health back,

>> right?

>> You can always get money elsewhere,

>> but once you can't your mind is messed

up.

>> Yeah.

>> It's over with.

>> That's such a good lesson for young

fighters to see, too. to see a guy like

yourself be fully dedicated, so

disciplined, get through the whole

thing, get out on top and done.

>> Yeah.

>> And so many fighters have said that and

then a couple years go by, their

identity is wrapped up in fighting. They

go, "Man, I think I got one more in me."

And then, you know, maybe they're buying

a lot of [ __ ]

>> That's the real problem.

>> Yeah.

It's always going to be that, you know,

I got I got another one in me. I got

another one in me because they missed

that that high of all the fans chanting

their name and everybody, you know,

cameras, lights, and you know, they they

miss it, you know. But I was always that

type of person. I didn't care about all

that. I y'all can have the lights. just

just pay me and I go under the rock

somewhere, you know, take care of my

family, you know. I never was a guy that

wanted to be all up in the media and

wanted to be the center attention.

>> How come?

>> Cuz that's just me. I already knew what

I was doing it for. I never was doing it

to be famous. You know, I don't walk

around with a whole entourage to get

noticed. You know, I be under the radar.

>> I do like that you show up by yourself.

But one time you showed up at one of the

UFC's and someone said you were Kendrick

Lamar and they put it on the [ __ ]

screen

>> and I didn't catch it because I was

doing the broadcast but I was like are

you guys out of your [ __ ] You don't

know who Terrence Crawford is and you're

in combat sports. This is crazy.

>> I think they did that on purpose.

>> No. No way. No way. Why would No. No.

No. No. No. It was just some [ __ ] in

the truck.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. No. 100% they did not do that on

purpose. No one in the UFC would ever

disrespect you like that. No one would

disrespect you like that. No chance.

>> Yeah. I was sitting next to to everybody

and I was like, "Did they really just do

that?"

>> No, they they did not do that on

purpose. That was just some dumbass that

thought that you were Kendrick Lamar for

some reason.

>> Yeah.

>> It was so stupid. And then I think they

corrected it later in the broadcast.

>> I don't know who it was, right?

>> I didn't want to know. I'd yell at him.

But

>> for sure,

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you roll very low-key like you don't

show up with an entourage, you know, a

lot of times you're just by yourself.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, and that's unusual for a guy

who's achieved as much as you've

achieved.

>> Yeah. People be so like surprised that,

>> you know, they'll see me in the airport,

they'd be like, "You by yourself?" Yeah.

Like,

>> man, this is crazy. I would always

imagine you with security guards, big

entourage. I'm like, "No, man. That's

just a bill.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, you got to pay all them people

to be around you.

>> That's true, too.

>> I chilling.

>> Yeah. I mean, every time you showed up

at the studio, you showed up by

yourself.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. I mean,

>> it's uh that's another good example for

young fighters to realize like at the

end of the day, what are you really

doing it for? All that other [ __ ]

all the attention and stuff, that's it's

very temporary. It's very fleeting. It

goes away. Legacy. legacy and the glory

of your accomplishments that stays

forever. And the respect of people in

boxing that really know.

>> Yeah, for sure.

>> Yeah, that's what's that's what it's all

about. And you've got that.

>> Now everybody has to shut the [ __ ] up.

>> Yeah, they do.

>> Everybody has to shut the [ __ ] up. Even

the people that said that, oh, Canelo's

stop. You were the same people saying

Canelo was gonna stop him.

>> The same people that saying Errol Spence

was gonna stop me. Same people that

saying Majimoff was gonna stop me and so

forth. So,

it just got to the point where they just

they can't they got to accept it now.

It's like, man, I've been hating on this

dude for so long, you know, and he's

just been proving me wrong time after

time. It's like, let me just give him

his flowers. Forget it.

>> You know,

>> that's beautiful. And for young

fighters, it's it's such a good thing to

watch. It's so good for young fighters

to have an inspirational figure, to have

someone who really does it and does it

perfectly and does it in a way that is

very unusual because like you're one of

the best switch hitters since Marvin

Haggler, if not the best,

>> you know, and like that.

>> God, that is such an underrated skill.

It was so funny. One of the times you

were in here, you were telling me that

his coach, your coach told you to stop

doing that.

>> Yeah.

And he was like, "You need to focus on

fighting orthodox the right way instead

of switching to southpaw." I was just

like, "All right, switch southpaw

again." Then it was just like, he was

like, "All right, well, you going to do

that? We going to train like that." I

was like, "All right, let's train like

it." Cuz I'm going to keep switching cuz

it just came so natural. Yeah.

>> I'll be in there. Boom, boom, boom,

boom, boom. And then they'll just I just

switch like unthink.

>> Yes.

>> Then you know it was just I win and I

win. He was all right. We going to fight

like we're going to train like that.

>> Well, it's such an underrated aspect of

boxing if you can do it because you have

to recalibrate where everything is

coming from every time you switch,

>> different angles, all that.

>> In MMA, it's become commonplace. In the

beginning of MMA, it was a lot of people

would stand one way or the other. And

now a large percentage of these young

guys coming up are constantly switching

because it hides combinations. It hides

different techniques. There's so many

different things you could do in MMA off

of SW because you're switching and

kicking. You're switching and punching.

You're kicking and then now you're in

southpaw and you're throwing left hands

instead of right hands. It's like things

are come. There's so much overload of

the mind where you have to calculate all

these different things. And if you don't

spar on a regular basis with a very

crafty guy who switches a lot, it could

[ __ ] you up inside the cage.

>> Yeah. Because some people they have

better chances on one side than the

other,

>> you know, and then when you switch on

them, it's just like, oh, I hate

fighting southpaws,

>> right?

>> You know, and it just do something to

their brain, you know, because

>> they might be slower moving one way than

the other way. Well, everything looks so

weird

>> when all of a sudden the jab's on the

right side and the left and then your

your brain has to like

>> got to worry about the hook now instead

of the straight.

>> Everything's different. Yeah, it's just

I mean I wonder how many young fighters

are going to see your example and start

training that very early in their career

now because I think it's

>> the the conventional wisdom was that you

have one stance whether it's southpaw or

orthodox stick with that there's a few

outliers like Haggler but for the most

part stick with that but I don't think

that's the way to go. I think

>> I mean I think great fighters have

stayed in one stance

>> but I think the way to go is having the

ability to switch up.

>> Yeah. It's always you know beneficial

if you can have it and not need it then

to need it and ain't got it.

>> Yes.

>> You know like okay it's cool that I

don't need it for this fight but I got

it in my bag just in case I have it.

>> Yes.

>> You know and that's that's like me. I

got it all.

>> Yeah. Do you think you're gonna train

people when you're done?

>> I'll be training a little bit. I'll be

helping out at the gym, but

>> my patience ain't there yet.

>> Like I get frustrated. And I have to

remember like my coach Bo say,

everybody's not you, bud.

>> You know, everybody don't adapt like

you. Everybody not as athletic like you.

you know, so you can't be frustrated if

they not getting something

>> right

>> like as fast as you getting it. You've

been doing this since you was seven.

Some of these kid that started when they

was teenagers, you know, so you got to

give them grace, you know, and take your

time with them and some of them, you

know, they flatfooted and you just got

to train them into their style.

Everybody not going to have your style.

So when he explained that to me, I was

just like, "Yeah, you're right." You

know, let me back up a little bit and

just tell him what I see.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, more so than trying to coach

him into being this fighter that I want

them to be.

>> Being a version of you.

>> Yeah. That's got to be difficult, right?

Because everybody does have a different

style.

>> Yeah.

>> And you know, you're you're never going

to convince some fighters to fight your

way.

>> Mhm.

>> Yeah. But the wisdom that you can bestow

on young fighters, it's like there's a

lot of great fighters like, you know,

Freddy Roach that had some boxing

matches but was never like an elite

boxer but still was a great coach and

>> but to have an elite fighter to be a

coach. It's like there's an element of

that. First of all, you is it there's an

element from the young guy coming up

like you want to impress.

>> You got Terrence Crawford in your

corner. You want to impress him. Buddy

Mcgherk did a fantastic job and he

became a great trainer. There's a bunch

of fighters that have done it, but it's

like I always wonder because I feel like

there's so much you have to offer to

these young. There's so much small

minutia, intimate details of what you're

thinking and what's going on that would

completely change the way a young

fighter sees certain exchanges.

>> Yeah, for sure. And I try to help them

on that aspect when they in the ring or

when they on the bag or when they

hitting the mids. Shadow boxing, just

little details, you know. I come in the

gym and you see the little kids, they

see me and they look look to the corner

and they hit the back.

>> Yeah, they get fired up.

>> You can see they trying to get my

attention. I come over there then give

them some little wisdom, you know, and

they appreciative. But it's good that

they see me in the gym all the time.

>> You know, my my son wrestling next door

and they over here boxing and I'm both

one side and the other side. So

>> your your son just won a wrestling

title.

>> Yeah, he just won state as a freshman.

>> That's incredible.

>> Yeah,

>> that's incredible. That's so amazing.

Does What does he want to do?

>> He want to go D1. He want to

>> Yeah.

>> He He told me that

>> Saturday after the tournament, we on our

way to the Ryan Garcia fight. He said,

"Dad, I want to go to the Olympics."

>> Wow.

>> I said, "You want to?" Said, "What kind

of mind state is that?" I said, "You

going to go?" I said, "You got to have

it in your mind you going." You can't

say you want to go. You got to say, "I'm

going to the Olympics." That way, you

know, you already programming it, you

know, for the future.

How did you learn that mentality,

>> man? Been doubted my whole life, you

know? Being doubted my whole life. And

my coach, Mitch Miner, used to always

say, "Lahy dy, we fight anybody. They

ain't fought you yet, you know." And I

just carried that on my shoulders. Like,

anybody you put in front of me, they

ain't fought me yet. So, you can't tell

me they can beat me until they beat me.

So just like my son like hey you got to

have that confidence that whatever you

say you want to do you gonna go out and

do it but you got to put the work in

first.

>> So in that sense doubters give you fuel.

>> Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

>> There a lot of people like that. A lot

of people like that. They live off the

haters.

>> Yeah. Oh yeah. They they fuel me up. And

then especially when a it's crazy

because like Mimoff and Canelo they were

so respectful you know and I respect

them you know I've been a fan of

Majimoff you know uh coming from

Usbekistan and learning about about him

and hearing about him and I always been

a fan of Canelo like since I can

remember you know so I didn't have that

like killer like my like heart in my

heart like I wanted to beat him but like

my other fights I was like man I want to

knock this dude out

>> like Benvitz

>> yeah I wanted to knock him out like so

like even in training like I didn't have

that rage like this dude talking [ __ ]

like he he never they never got under my

skin it was like all respectful so it

was like all right I want to whoop they

ass but I didn't want to like inflict

like pain like I want to like knock him

out. There was one fighter you fought at

140. His name is escaping me, but you

you stopped him in the Yes.

>> Yeah. I wanted to knock him.

>> Oh boy.

>> Yeah. And I was so mad like when you

when you watch that fight, you know, I

missed like when they stopped it, I

missed like two crazy hooks and I just

was like, man, why couldn't I land him?

Like he would have went to sleep. Like

>> you would just stop it.

>> Yeah. I want I want them I want to put

him to sleep. But, you know, it's it's a

sport and it is what it is. And I'm

happy that we all could go home to our

family and talk about it, you know,

years down the line.

>> Yeah.

>> Well, that is the danger of the sport.

That's why it's so different than every

other sport. It's like you you're

legitimately putting your life on the

line.

>> Yeah. And a lot of people don't

understand that until something

happened,

>> right?

>> You know, us boxers, a lot of boxers

have died in that ring. A lot of boxer

have went in a ring one way and left it

a different way.

>> Yes.

>> You know, so when a lot of fans, they

criticize boxers for doing what the

sport is for and that's boxing.

You know, us boxers, like you not even

here getting your brains beat out. So

what you consider boring,

we consider us doing what the sport is

meant

>> to do is box,

>> right?

>> You know, and

I think a lot of fans

don't give a lot of fighters. They just

do for boxing, you know, like Floyd,

like Shakur, you know, when they pure

boxers.

>> Yes.

>> You know, they want to see people

bleeding, battered, knocked out, you

know, but they not thinking about the

aftermath and the after effects of them

fighters going to the hospital, blood on

the brains,

uh, pissing blood and things like that.

Like your body is not meant to be beat

on like that,

>> right?

>> You know, so

>> they just looking at, oh, well, I paid

this money, y'all going to go in there

and kill each other,

>> you know? And I think that's wrong.

>> Yeah. Well, you're always going to have

morons in this world.

>> You're always going to have casuals.

You're always going to have people that

don't appreciate what they're saying.

>> But like when I see a performance like

Shakur versus Tapimo that last fight,

>> like that was art. That was art. That

sneaky jab where it was like half speed

and then popping him with the jab. And

you could see Lopez just couldn't get

out of the way of it. He didn't know

what to do.

>> It was beautiful. It was barely got hit.

Yeah.

>> It was beautiful.

and and things like that. You know, you

see two high caliber fighters, but you

just see one just on a different level

because of his

>> boxing IQ,

>> you know, not because Tio Fimo didn't

belong in the ring with him. It's just

that Shakur IQ and his boxing ability is

up here.

>> Yes. you know, he didn't have to sit in

front of him and trade shots and give

Tofimo the opportunity to land a good

shot and change the the the outcome of

the fight. One shot, I don't care who

you is, in a good in the right spot at

the right moment, anybody can get

knocked out

>> without a doubt. Yeah, without a doubt.

I mean, the human brain is not designed

to get punched,

>> right? It's just not designed that way,

especially big punchers. And when you

see a guy like Tapimo, Topfimo can

crack. He's a big dude and he's a world

champion. And it was one of the most

lopsided performances ever. Or you see

one world champion challenging another

world champion

>> for sure.

>> I mean, it was it was art to me. I was

every moment of that fight, like up

until the 12th round, I was just like

there was multiple times I WAS LIKE,

"OH,

oh my good." It was just beautiful. It

was just I love watching a guy at the

pinnacle, you know, watching a guy where

everybody else has got to go, "Wow, I

didn't think it was going to go like

this." Cuz, you know, TFO is a super

aggressive guy. Beat Lomachenko. He's

got a nasty jab, throws big power in his

punches. He's tough as hell. You know, a

lot of people are like, "This is going

to be a tough fight." And Shakur just

and he didn't run. He stood right in

front of him. That's the other thing. He

wasn't getting hit and he was right in

front of him. I mean, that was art. That

was art. That's boxing at the highest

level. And um I'm fascinated because now

they're talking about him and Ryan

Garcia. I am fascinated to watch that

fight cuz that's a Shakur is a different

animal. Ryan looked amazing in that

fight. I mean, he looked amazing. I

mean, he looked so fast and it was

beautiful fight to watch. But, uh,

that's an interesting fight. I like that

fight. Shakur and him. I like that fight

a lot because Shakur is just a different

animal. That's that's you're dealing

with a whole different kind of skill

set.

>> Yeah, Shakur. Listen, I went down to

camp before he fought TFimo and I seen

his focus and the level of, you know,

intense training he was doing. And I

said, "I don't know it all, but I know

Shakur gonna whoop TFimo's ass." I

tweeted that way before the fight, you

know, and he went out there and did it.

Ryan looked spectacular in this fight

for what it was. I don't think Barios

came to fight, you know. Ryan was boxing

great. You know, the jab was working,

the overhand right was working, and he

he looks out

at me at the end and said, "You see my

jab?" I said, "Man, it was working.

That jab was beautiful." Because we

don't we're not used to seeing Ryan jab,

>> right?

>> You know, or or boxing for that matter,

>> you know. He was he was boxing

beautiful, you know, and I commend him

on that. Like he

>> he aced it, you know. But when it come

to Shakur,

>> Shakur is not a barios,

>> you know. Shakur got a jab. Shakur got

head movement. Shakur got defense.

Shakur knows range. Shakur have good

legs. So

I look at that fight like it's not going

to be as

a competitive fight like everybody think

because if Ryan get careless, he's going

to get countered all day.

>> If he gets careless, I don't I think

he'll fight very different than he

fought with Barios. I think

>> Barios just couldn't keep up with the

speed. I mean, Ryan's speed is

extraordinary. He He relies on it a lot.

But I mean, that's not a knock. That's

just like if you had it, you everybody

should rely on that. Man, that's nuts.

>> Of course, a different animal.

>> That's what I'm saying.

>> It's a different Well, a lot of people

thought Devin Haney was different

though, right? A lot of people thought

Devin Haney was going to give him real

problems. When he dropped Devin early

with a left hook, everybody was like,

"Oh, this is different." I wish he

didn't have a positive drug test in that

fight cuz that [ __ ] tainted

everything.

>> They know they know each other far too

well. I think him and Devin fought each

other the most out of all of them. You

know, Shakur and Ryan fought as well,

which Shakur won all the times that they

fought. But I just think, you know, him

and Devin,

the the history of it, Devin came in

there

overconfident,

>> Ryan,

>> you know, being juiced up, you know,

added a little whatever it did. But, you

know, you can't take away from him

landing the punches that he was landing.

You can't take away from the performance

that you know

he was he was doing. But

when you when you on steroids that ad

you know

>> it definitely adds something. What was

he what did he get popped for? Do you

remember?

>> I don't even know. I just

>> Jamie find out what he got popped for.

It was a very low level of whatever he

got popped for.

>> And a lot of people say oh the levels it

doesn't it wouldn't even matter. It's

such a small level. H the problem is

there's a lot of ways you can mask the

amount of steroids you have in your

system and that's one of the reasons why

the UFC banned IVs because uh you can

flush your body out if you super hydrate

with IVs espec I don't know what what

you're supposed to put in the IV but

there's some nutrients that you can put

in IVs that will mask any traces of

performance-enhancing drugs which is why

at UFC you have to hydrate this is

drugfree court's policy and USADA's

policy, you have to hydrate only with

drinking liquids. You can't hydrate with

an IV. And when you use an IV, which I

don't was uh were they allowed to use

IVs to rehydrate?

>> I don't know.

>> When you use IVs to rehydrate, you can

mask a lot of [ __ ] So, if he did use an

IV to rehydrate and he only showed a

trace amount, that's still

>> that What did he What did he test

positive for?

>> Lost. Which Who I missed which fighter

you're talking Ryan Garcia.

>> Oh, that's right.

>> Ryan Garcia when he fought Devin Haney,

>> the fight got overturned, right? It was

a no contest, which is very unfortunate

because it was a clear victory. One of

his best victories ever. Dropped Deon,

had him in trouble a bunch of times.

Dropped him how many times?

>> A few.

>> Yeah, few times.

>> He looked [ __ ] great in that fight.

>> Yeah, he did.

>> And I think uh unfortunately, you know,

that positive drug test just

>> ostine. Yeah.

>> Okay. I think I think you know

both of those fights is great fights for

Ryan. Ryan's in a great position right

now.

>> Oh yeah.

>> You know he he he got the role

>> unification fight.

>> You know he lost he lost to Roelly. He

got that fight that he can

>> you know try to avenge in a unification

fight.

>> Roelly looked great in that fight.

>> He got Devin

>> Yeah.

>> in a unification fight. Um he got Shakur

>> Mhm. in a a spectacular fa fight. So

Ryan's in a great position right now.

>> If Javvante comes back, he's got that

rematch.

>> I think Javvante is going to fight him

without having those type of claws.

>> The rehydration clause.

>> Yeah. Bring him down and you got to do

this and you got to do that. So

>> that's crazy. Those those clauses are

crazy. You can't weigh more than X to

the [ __ ] off with that.

>> That's like with me and Canelo. I'm

like, man, listen. I'm challenging you.

>> Yeah. You can weigh whatever you want. I

don't want no excuses, you know. I Hey,

it is what it is. When I All you got to

do is weigh 168.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, and then after that,

>> it is what it is.

>> Well, that's the same [ __ ] that Floyd

made Canelo do.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> That's where they got it from.

>> Yeah.

>> That's where they got it from. You know

what I mean?

>> The thing is these guys see that big

number, they see those purses and they

go, "Oh, I could fight good."

>> Yeah. I'll just get I'll just get a

little smaller beforehand.

>> It's just not smart.

>> Yeah. Your body's not going to react

when it's not fully hydrated.

>> No. Not chance. It's the worst way to

fight. You know, I think guys who cut a

tremendous amount of weight, they do

themselves a terrible disservice.

>> They really do. I think it's terrible

for your body. What's the most you ever

had to cut?

>> The most I ever had to cut was probably

like

25.

>> Woo. That's a lot.

>> What weight was that? 35 or 40?

>> 47. 47. Really?

>> Wow.

>> My last fight with Spence.

>> And when did you start your cut?

>> Months.

>> Months out.

>> Yeah. Months out.

>> So the week of the fight, what were you

at?

>> Probably like

52, 54.

>> Oh, okay. That's very good. That's very

reasonable. See, MMA fighters do it in a

[ __ ] up way.

>> Them last couple of pounds is tough.

>> Yeah,

>> them last couple of pounds are tough.

And I just knew that it was over with. I

knew it was over with, you know. But

the hardest cut ever was when I was at

135.

That was like killing me.

>> What were you walking around at back

then?

>> Probably like

in the 50s,

>> like 55.

And so would you just lower your

calories in camp in camp? And then

>> I got to change my whole diet.

>> And then the week of the fight, what did

you weigh when you were fighting 35?

>> I don't even Man, I was cutting like

probably like,

>> seven pounds the week of the fight.

>> See that in the MMA world, that's

nothing. These guys are cut

>> because they wait till the last minute.

I know I know a lot of MMA fighters,

they just dehydrate themselves.

>> Yeah, they wait till the last minute.

But mine,

>> I got to start gradually cuz I never

want to go in there and just like tank.

>> So, I got to change my eating habits up

months, like two months in in advance.

That way I can get my body used to being

lighter and yeah, you know, performing

at at that weight class because

>> if not, you know, you you doing more

hurting yourself than than than good

because you taking all the the fluid out

of your brain.

>> Exactly.

>> You know, and

yeah, I couldn't be at no disadvantage

like that.

>> And it makes you more vulnerable to

getting knocked out.

>> Yeah,

>> definitely. I mean, Alex Pereira is the

craziest example in the UFC. He was

fighting at 185 and he would weigh 225

when he fought

>> which is bananas. I mean that's 40

[ __ ] pounds.

>> I think that's why I got um when when uh

not Cano when I fought Gamboa when I got

hurt, you know, in that ninth round, but

I stopped him in the ninth round. But

that was part of that. Boom. Caught me

with a clean shot. Boom. I like [ __ ]

You know, until this day, that's the

only fight that I got hurt like that

ever. You know, a lot of people thought

me machine dropped me, me machine hurt

me. I didn't got mean machine hit me

with some hard shots, some clean hard

shots. But nothing was like that gamble.

Like my whole leg locked up and I was

just like, man, I got to grab this dude,

you know? And

>> And you think the weight cut had a lot

to do with that?

>> Definitely. Yeah, definitely.

>> What weight was that at?

>> 135.

>> Yeah. 135. You're a big guy, man.

>> That's a lot of weight to cut.

>> Yeah,

>> it's uh that's the the most problematic

part of MMA for sure. I was actually

just having a conversation with Hunter

Campbell about that. They're trying to

devise strategies to discourage these

big weight cuts and trying to figure out

what to do.

>> It was crazy though because

>> I always been skinny.

>> You know, a lot of people they say, "Oh,

he's a weight bully. He's this. He's

that." And it's like, bro, I came from

132.

I wasn't at, you know, you see a lot of

these fighters, they in the amateurs,

they like Sean Porter, he was at 165,

then he went to 147.

>> You know, a lot of people, they was

heavier, then they dropped weight. I was

at 132 and I moved up to go at 135. You

know, as a professional and I was cool

with the weight. Then I just started

filling out once I start, you know,

working out more and doing a little

strength and condition and

>> I just started my body started filling

out so I kept moving up. But

>> the weight that I was at with with

Canelo, that's the most comfortable time

of my career to be able to eat whatever

I want, not focus on weight, just

>> Did you feel much better in the ring

because of that?

>> I did. I did because that was the only

time that

I never like I had to eat to keep my

weight on me.

>> Wow.

>> And it's like and I don't I'm not used

to doing that. Like I'm used to,

>> you know, starving.

>> We got portions. It's like they feeding

me big meals. I'm like I can't eat all

this,

>> you know? But so that was the that was

the one camp that it was like

>> the weight wasn't an issue. Do you have

a nutritionist in camp? And so how do

they how do they do your meals? Is it

all based on x amount of protein, x

amount of carbs? It's all weighed out,

>> all that.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> And then they weigh you, check you, make

your body fat.

>> They ask me what I weigh in the morning.

Every morning.

>> What did you weigh like when you got

into the ring?

>> Um I think I was like 72.

>> Okay.

>> It's just a few pounds.

>> Yeah.

>> Nothing.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. I didn't weigh I didn't weigh I

probably couple of pounds. Yeah.

>> The only difference in MMA is obviously

the grappling, you know, and that's it

plays a big advantage if you can get a

lot of weight on a guy. That's

>> that's why a lot of guys do it. It's

also MMA is very flawed and one of the

most flawed aspects of it is the weight

classes. There's just not enough weight

classes. There's giant leaps

>> like between uh 205

the next weight class is heavyweight.

So, it's 205 to 265.

185, the next weight class is 205.

That's 20 pounds. That's nuts. 170 to

185. 15 [ __ ] pounds is a lot.

>> A lot.

>> That's a lot.

>> 7 lbs is a lot.

>> 55 to 70. Yeah. 7 lbs is a lot.

>> A lot of people don't know, but I was

way stronger at 47 than I was at 40.

>> And that's only seven pounds,

>> right?

>> That's seven pounds of muscle that I

don't have to cut,

>> right? Yeah.

>> And a lot of people think, "Oh, is this

7 pounds or 135 to 140? Is this 5

pounds?" No, that matters.

>> Yes, it matters a lot. And for fighters,

there's a lot of guys that are tweeners.

They're too big for 155. They can't make

the weight. And then they're too small

for 170. Yes.

>> Cuz at 170, you got guys that are never

going to make 155. They're coming down

from 210 and they're getting to 170 and

they're jacked. I know somebody that was

coming out from 230 fighting at 165.

>> Oh my god. Who was that?

>> I ain't going to say his name.

>> Well, Anthony Rumble Johnson was the

craziest one that I ever saw.

>> 230.

>> Anthony Rumble Johnson was 230 and he

was fighting at 170. I ran into Rumble

once, rest in peace. He died a few years

back. I ran into Rumble once when he was

fighting at 170 and he was in between

fights and I ran into him at the hotel

and he was a [ __ ] heavyweight. He was

so big I couldn't I go, "What do you

weigh?"

>> Yeah.

>> And he said 230. I'm like, "Dude, that's

crazy. You have to cut 60 lbs."

>> Yeah.

>> But it was killing him. It was killing

him like literally to the brink of death

>> the day before a fight.

>> That's nuts. That doesn't make any

sense. And they were all doing it

because they all felt like they had to

be the biggest guy in there.

>> Yeah.

>> Not smart at all.

>> I think for MMA, they really need to

recognize this that one of the things

that's going to stop weight cluts

>> is give people more weight classes. Give

people more options.

>> These this idea of only having eight

champions, I think, in MMA is very, very

limiting. It's also limiting the

potential of a guy like you to go up and

up and up and win championship after

championship. In MMA, if you win two

belts, that's crazy. That's the only

thing

>> weight classes is so far apart.

>> Exactly. It's the only the only people

that have ever done it have done it in

two weight classes. No one's done it in

three.

>> You know, Pereira might try to do it at

heavyweight. He might try to go up to

heavyweight now because he's walking

around like 240,

>> which is crazy because he used to fight

at 185.

>> It's nuts. But if they had more options

and they had more weight classes, I

think we'd have more competitive fights.

We'd have less extreme weight cutting.

We'd have healthier fighters and just

more champions is better. I mean,

there's a lot of guys that could be

champions. There's not a weight class

for them.

>> Mhm.

>> If there's a 20 pound gap, 20 pounds is

so much. If I put 20 pounds of bone and

muscle on this table and show you what

it looks like, you'd be like, "Whoa,

that's a crazy amount of mass." And the

difference between losing that, gaining

that, being in the middle of that, it's

pretty significant. So, for a lot of

fighters, they're just their frame

doesn't line up perfectly with whatever

the division is.

>> It just they they don't have a chance.

>> Yeah.

>> Sucks.

>> It does.

>> It drives me nuts. It drives me nuts. I

think extreme weight cutting is the

worst thing that's ever happened to the

sport of MMA and

>> any sport.

>> Any sport, but in boxing, it's not as

extreme. No one really does it. Jerem

used to do it. He got real big in

between fights. Real big. He was But

that cost him in the Nigel Ben fight. I

think that probably is what led to his

bleeding of the brain. That's probably

one of one of the contributing factors

to why he's, you know, he's

>> he's so hurt right now.

you know, and that [ __ ] Roy up, too,

because back at the time, that was his

biggest rival was Gerald. And, you know,

Roy was always like, I do not want that

ever happening to me, you know.

>> Yeah. Like, man, like I say, when you

lose that that weight and you don't

understand, you losing that fluid in in

the back of your brain,

>> you know,

>> and it takes days for that fluid to

fully return to your brain, especially

when you're just drinking the water and

not

>> IV rehydrating. It's tough. It's tough.

>> Yeah, it's uh but I mean boxing's been

around longer. They've got it figured

out. And unfortunately or fortunately,

the UFC dominates MMA and they only have

eight weight classes, so everybody else

only has eight weight classes.

California has instituted a bunch of

different weight classes, but nobody The

UFC has a heavyweight limit. You know

how crazy that is? Isn't that stupid?

It's stupid, right?

>> It definitely. Talk to these people.

>> I'm just now learning about that. You

didn't know? 265. You have to weigh 265.

So, think about Tyson Fury. When Tyson

Fury fought Deontay, he was like 280,

285.

>> Yeah.

>> Imagine he's got to dehydrate himself.

He's got to lose 20 [ __ ] pounds

>> just to make the weight class. That's

[ __ ] That doesn't make any sense at

all.

>> At all.

>> At all. It's the heavy weight.

>> It's the heaviest weight we can go.

>> Remember Valuev when he was fighting

Aender Holyfield? Oh my huge god.

>> He had to be over 300 lb. He was gi He

was a literal giant. An actual giant.

Yeah.

>> So, I think that's something you need to

talk to Dana about.

>> Nobody listens to me, bro.

>> They don't They don't listen to me. They

think I'm crazy.

>> Well, we got to petition it then.

>> Oh, I have a bunch of wacky rules that I

want to institute. So, it's I understand

why they don't want to listen to me. I

would throw the whole sport up in the

air.

>> I think it

these combat sports, it got to come from

the fighters,

you know, just like boxing. I think if

the if the fighters come together, they

can make anything happen. The fighters

don't understand the level of power that

they carry because they think, "Oh,

since they cutting the check, they got

the power,

>> right?"

>> You know, but they can't cut the check

without us,

>> you know. But it's the fighters that

need the money that makes it hard,

>> right? Because the fighters that already

got the money, they can make a stand for

something. But the fighters that

doesn't, they like, "Well, you can do

that. I got to provide for my family."

You can take

a a chance of

going at the organization for a year or

however long it's going to last, but who

going to pay my bills,

>> right?

>> Who going to put food on my family table

while we doing this, why we making this

stand? So,

>> it's a little tougher for them to make

that stand than a person that's already

established.

>> Yes.

>> You know, and I think that's where, you

know, the the seesaw effect happens with

with boxing in UFC because

>> Well, UFC is more extreme because it's

really just the UFC.

>> Yeah.

>> It's really I mean, even Francis Enano,

right? Francis Enano, one of the most

devastating fighters to ever compete in

MMA. UFC heavyweight champion. They

couldn't get a deal signed and he winds

up leaving and goes to the PFL, but

nobody's watching.

>> Nobody watches. Nobody cares. He He

knocked out some dude in the PFL and

nobody cared.

>> Is he making more money?

>> Yes,

>> he care.

>> He cares. Well, that's why he did it. He

got a great

>> a great deal with the PFL and then he

got to box Tyson Fury, boxed Anthony

Joshua.

>> Doing well.

>> Doing well. Much much more money for

sure

>> which is good. But the the the fortunate

and unfortunate. Fortunate that the UFC

is the best promotional organization

that's ever existed. They really know

how to do it. They do it right. They

make stars out of these fighters. They

give them all these opportunities. They

they get the most asses in the seats.

Every pay-per-view sells well. When

there's a UFC pay-per-view, people line

up to see it. There's there's a bunch of

stars in the UFC. But unfortunately,

when they're in other organizations,

even if they're getting paid more,

nobody knows who they are.

>> Mhm.

>> And so they if they want to come to the

UFC, they have to be they have to take a

pay cut, which is crazy. So you're

leaving an organ like if you're going

from

uh small promotions in boxing and then

all of a sudden you're in a world title

fight and you're in or you're in, you

know, uh Golden Boy promotions. You

would imagine now I'm getting paid more

money, more people are watching me. But

it's not the case. Like these other

organizations like the PFL have to pay

these guys more money because otherwise

they can't get them at all

>> because everybody wants to fight in the

UFC.

>> It's not a monopoly because there is

other options. There's 1 FC, there's

PFL, there's some organizations in

Russia and other parts of the world. But

>> the reality is it's like the NFL or like

you know Q-tips. It's like it's got a

name. It's the NBA. Nobody wants to

watch some new basketball organization.

Nobody wants to watch the I mean the

XFL. Does do people watch it? I don't

know. But it's not the Super Bowl, you

know? It's like there's one big

organization. That's the NFL. There's

one big MMA organization. That's the

UFC. And for these guys that want the

glory, they want to be known as the best

in the world. There's one place to be.

>> So, it's very difficult for those guys

to hold out for more money.

>> It goes back to identity and what you're

doing it for,

>> right?

You know, that's what you got to ask

yourself. Is you doing it for

fame? Is you doing it for to provide

stability for your family?

Is it I need money? Like what is Yeah,

definitely legacy.

>> For the great of the greats, legacy is

the primary focus almost always.

Greatness is always the primary focus

because otherwise you never achieve

greatness. If you're just thinking about

money, I don't think those guys ever get

to the level that you're at or the level

that like the elite of the elite get. I

think those guys have to have their eye

on being the number one dog, period.

>> Facts.

>> That's why I asked what is you doing it

for? Because in Gh, you know, he he's

already famous, right? He probably like,

"Okay, well,

>> yes,

>> if y'all going to pay me x amount over

here and they only going to pay me this,

>> then it makes business sense to go over

here."

>> Yes.

>> You know, and that's just like uh Conor

B.

>> He just s signed with Zufa.

>> Mhm.

>> And a lot of people was saying he's

disloyal and Eddie Hearns them was loyal

to him and this and that and this.

>> He's getting 15 million for his next.

like, man, what is people talking about?

I said,

>> it's just business. It ain't personal

with with them. I bet. I said, Connor B

did what what was best for him and his

family. I said, just like the

promotional companies going to do what's

best for them and their business. If a

fighter that they sign

lose probably two straight, they get to

cut them. No questions asked.

Why? Because now they wasting money.

They feel they don't care about that

person family. They don't care about

that person, you know, relationship with

them. They not going in there with their

heart like, "Oh man, like you a good

buddy." They like, "Ah, sorry. It's just

business. Cut you."

>> So when a fighter does the same thing

that a promotional company do or a

manager or anybody else, it's all you

disloyal, you this, you that. I'm like,

>> make it make sense.

>> That's it doesn't make any sense in

boxing because in boxing there's so many

promoters. There's so many different

people as Eddie Hearns, Bob Arum,

there's so many different promoters.

>> Don King, this is there's so many

different promoters. That's the beauty

of boxing is that there's a lot there's

a lot of competition and there's a lot

of people that are there to try to get

you over onto their side and there's

cross promotion. There's no cross

promotion in MMA. Doesn't exist.

>> They tried it a little bit in the early

days. They uh sent some UFC fighters

over to Japan to fight for pride and

they brought some pride fighters over

into the UFC, but they don't do that

anymore. That was the early days because

it was the sport wasn't big back then.

>> They were just trying to get big names

and they were trying to work a

promotional deal. But Japanese, man,

they're clever. Like when they sold them

Pride, they thought they were getting

all the fighters. Turned out all the

contracts were [ __ ] that none of

them were valid. They basically bought

Pride for I think they spent $65 million

and they got a library. They just got a

video library.

>> UFC did.

>> Yeah. They didn't get [ __ ] They didn't

get Fedor. Fedor was the big dog at one

point in time. He was

>> kicking everybody legs. I remember

>> [ __ ] everybody up, slamming them, arm

baring them, [ __ ] people up,

standing. He was a complete. It was And

he was at the same time where Cain

Velasquez was in his prime. And that was

the fight that they tried to put

together. But the Russians because uh

the UFC didn't have a contract with

Fedor anymore because the contracts at

Pride were all [ __ ] They they had

to deal with, you know, these Russian

gangsters and these Russian gangsters

were like, you know, they wanted a piece

of the promotion. They wanted a lot. And

the UFC wasn't willing. It got very

contentious. Like the UFC had to up

their security. It got it got sketchy.

>> Yeah,

>> it got sketchy. You know, they're

they're bad dudes. Those are bad dudes,

man. You know,

>> but it's just as a fan, we were robbed.

We were robbed of like one of the

greatest matchups in the history of the

sport.

>> Yeah.

>> And there's a few of those moments in

combat sports where you've got these

just top dogs where you're like, "God,

we got to see that happen." For a while

was Floyd and Manny, right? For a while.

And after Juan Manuel Marquez knocked

out Manny, it took a little of the shine

off of that. And and then eventually

they fought, but Manny had a hurt

shoulder. And now they're going to do it

again. They're both 50. It's crazy.

>> You're going to watch it though.

>> I'm going to watch it. [ __ ] you. I'm

going to watch it. I'm going to watch

him fighting Mike. I think that's crazy.

He's going to have an exhibition with

Tyson, which is crazy.

>> Yeah, that's crazy.

>> Mike is so much bigger than him.

>> He's so much bigger than him. He's not

going to land a fist on Mayweather,

>> right?

>> Not after his last performance,

>> you know? I think Tyson just

>> need

>> What do you think was going on with that

the last one? It looked a little bit

like sparring.

>> Yeah. I don't know. I think it was

scripted.

>> Yeah.

>> I ain't never seen Tyson biting his

gloves and like you could just It was

taking all that he could not to like hit

him.

And it was just like

>> it's it's

>> it's heartbreaking to see a icon go out

like that.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, and

>> but it's crazy also to see him fight at

57 years old. Like that's

>> still like

>> he shouldn't have been in there

>> at all. You know, I think it's other

ways.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, it's other ways for

>> But what did he get? He got at least 20,

right?

>> Yeah. But still, I think

that money.

>> Yeah. But with all his connections and

things like that, I think people could

have put him in the right position to

make some money

>> if he's got people with him that are

looking out for his best interest. But

you know how it is when there's a guy

like that that's a big name. Usually

everybody around him pretends they're

looking out for their best interest, but

>> there's always lawsuits later on. You

find out someone was stealing money or

not paying him what he deserved. There's

always a bunch of [ __ ] involved.

>> Yeah. You know, unfortunately,

especially if you're not businessminded,

which I don't know if Mike is, but most

fighters aren't. Most fighters

concentrate on fighting.

>> To be businessminded, that's a giant

distraction. You got to pay attention to

all this other [ __ ] On top of that,

it's generally not how they think,

>> right?

>> You know, I mean, look at Floyd. Like,

Floyd spends money like it's a tap.

Like, he's got a tap just like unlimited

amount of money. Let's money's just

flowing. And even as much money as he's

made in his career, which he's probably

made as much if not more money than any

boxer ever, like there's all these

lawsuits. Like he hasn't been paying

things and he owes money on this and

owes money on that and it's like and

then he's got to come out of retirement.

>> Yeah, that's that's tough.

>> Yeah,

>> that's tough. I think it's just the

lifestyle that Floyd lived.

>> Yes.

>> I think he can't fathom to just live a

modest lifestyle. It's like he gotta be

lavish,

>> right? He's got to have those videos

where he shows you all the watches where

he opens the case up, you know,

>> all the money. He gota

>> show that he got a million dollars in

his backpack and

>> yeah,

>> you know, he got the latest watch and

latest car and

>> look what I just bought.

>> And when you get into latest watches and

latest cars, you get into that [ __ ] like

boy, that money goes quick.

>> Yeah.

>> Bugattis are like 3 million. There's

watches that are 35 million. That's

crazy. So you buy a watch and a car,

you're down 10.

>> That's nuts.

>> That's nuts.

>> Crazy.

>> I remember Iran Barkley was talking

about that. Iran Barkley when he was in

his prime was hanging out with all these

professional athletes and everybody was

getting diamond crusted chains and this

and that and he was keeping up with

these people like you got to keep up

with the Joneses and he just found

himself like draining all of his money.

He was talking about it like that was

the biggest detriment to him being able

to save any money.

>> They trying to keep up.

>> Yeah. Which I thought was funny when I I

I was listening to this uh conversation

with Chad Oro Senco. He was talking

about it. He was like, "Oh, his jewelry

fake."

>> He was wearing fake jewelry.

>> Well, who would know?

>> What's that?

>> Who would know? Chad Oinko. It's like

when they look at him like

>> flying economy. He was sleeping at the

stadium like so he didn't have to pay

for an apartment. So smart,

>> so clever, you know,

>> but that's a guy like preparing like

>> nobody going to question him, you know.

They know, oh man, this NFL star, he got

money.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, so we're not going to question

if his diamond is real or not.

>> Well, you really can't tell. I can't I

mean, you can't tell until you get a

magnifying glass on them.

>> Or that's why they say we got these

diamond testers.

>> They want to test your diamonds now.

Like,

>> come on now.

>> Yeah.

>> It's just all illusion anyway. Do you

[ __ ] around with any of that stuff?

>> I got jewelry, but I'm not paying all

that money for no jewelry. Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> No, we can get some sponsorships.

>> Yes.

>> But me keep spending hundreds and

millions of dollars on jewelry. Nah, not

a me.

>> It's just not smart.

>> Yeah.

>> And you don't get out of it what it

costs.

>> Like if you think about how much

>> blood, sweat, what

>> sometimes you do.

>> What do you get

>> now? If you buy from the factory now, if

you get you a Rolex, from the Rolex

store, you know, you might can get some

money back for

>> you can flip it. Yeah, that's true.

>> Now, now buzz downs. No,

>> but if you get it from the actual store,

the protect store, the Rolex store,

>> that's true.

>> Them type of stores,