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Multicoin Capital’s Kyle Samani on Internet Capital Markets

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Crypto, crypto, crypto. As

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cryptocurrency becomes more popular,

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we're starting to see signs that it

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could become part of our financial

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future. US dollars are the greatest

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product in human history. But amazingly,

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most people around the world who want

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dollars cannot get them because the

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legacy financial rails simply prevent

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them from doing so. You want to have the

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world's most realtime global financial

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market where everyone is synchronizing

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using the same open protocol at the

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speed of light. Ladies and gentlemen,

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please welcome Multicoin Capitals, Kyle

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Sani.

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Good afternoon everyone. My name is Kyle

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Sani. I'm a founder and managing partner

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at Multicoin Capital. I'm incredibly

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excited to be here with y'all at the

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Allen Summit today. Today I'm going to

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be talking a little bit about internet

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and capital markets. But before we get

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to the future of capital markets, I

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think a little history lesson is in

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order. Before we dive in, do have some

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small disclosures. You can read all this

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in about 4 seconds. Um, please do note

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that nothing in this presentation should

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be considered financial advice. All

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right, let's jump in. The roots of our

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modern financial system are about 100

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years old.

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Uh, the stock market as we know it today

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was actually born out of crisis. In

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1929, the stock market crash, lost a

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third of its value in about a week, and

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over the next three years proceeded to

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lose about 90% of its value.

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At the time, there was no SEC, there

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were no disclosures, there were no

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standardized audits.

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In response, Congress passed three major

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pieces of legislation. The first is the

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Securities Act of 33

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and that uh required disclosures for

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companies that issue securities.

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The second was the Exchange Act of 34,

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which created the SEC. And the third was

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the investment company act of 1940 which

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created regulations for uh regulating

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public mutual funds. The government's

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goal in these regulations was simple.

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They needed to create trust, protect

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investors, and most importantly restore

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confidence in our capital markets.

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Those three laws today still stand as

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the foundation that our modern capital

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markets are built on top of. In the 90

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years since, we've added a rule after

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rule, system after system. Typically,

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that's been predicated on uh these

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financial intermediaries whose job it is

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is to uh they're deputized to process

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these regulatory functions. We've added

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layers of complexity, layers of rent

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seeeking. And interestingly, most of

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these rules have come not from Congress,

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but from the administrative state.

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Today's markets are both held together

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by these intermediaries and made more

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inefficient by them.

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Investors have to go through exchanges.

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Exchanges go through clearing houses.

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Clearing houses go through custodians.

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On and on. Each of these players takes a

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cut. They add a fee. They add a delay.

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They create complexity. And they also

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create inertia in the status quo so that

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it's harder to remove them later. While

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the intent of these legal protections

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are generally pretty good, the their

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evolutionary path over the last h 100red

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years has produced in our modern system

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of bloat and crust. Markets still close

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at 4 p.m. Fees are still high. Access is

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still limited. Inefficiency is baked

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into the system by design. It still

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takes 2 days to settle a stock trade in

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2025.

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If you asked a group of engineers and

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traders to redesign capital markets

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infrastructure from first principles in

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2025, you wouldn't be recreating all of

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these intermediaries. You'd be building

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something based on modern software.

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You'd build something that's global and

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24/7, that's programmable and

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permissionless, and that's secured most

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importantly by cryptography.

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You'd build one global ledger that can

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support internet scale capital markets.

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Until recently, these global ledgers, or

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as we like to call them, blockchains

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couldn't actually scale to support

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internet capital markets. No one in this

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room is going to wait two minutes to

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send the transaction and pay $20 in gas

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fees on Ethereum. But we blockchains

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have gotten a lot better, cheaper, and

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faster. And modern blockchains like

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Salana can actually process now more

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than a billion transactions in a day at

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an average cost of less than a penny per

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transaction. The tech is finally ready.

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The tech alone though is not enough. We

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need a regulatory alignment as well to

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get there. And in 2025, we're getting

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it. President Trump kicked off the year

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by signing a series of executive orders

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uh aimed to make America the crypto

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capital of the world.

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We also owe a huge shout out to our

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favorite bestie David Saxs in his role

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as cryptos are for helping get these

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executive orders through. Thank you.

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Yeah, David, thank you

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for working with the president on

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getting these EOS through and working

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with the administration and Congress. In

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July, Congress passed the Genius Act,

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which created a foundation on top a

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framework for stable coins to

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proliferate all over the world on

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permissionless crypto rails. The Genius

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Act is not only going to have

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implications for how capital markets

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work around the world, but global

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geopolitics as the US dollar permeates

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every corner of the world. And in the

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next few months, we expect Congress is

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going to pass the Clarity Act, which is

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going to answer a number of open

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questions about how crypto market

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structure should be regulated.

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But interestingly, the most

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consequential stuff, consequential

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actions are going to be coming uh from

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the SEC itself. In a speech that he gave

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about six weeks ago, SEC Chair Paul

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Atkins outlined his plans for the future

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of all of the employees at the SEC. In

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that speech, he said, quote, I have

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directed the commission staff to update

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antiquated agency rules and regulations

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to unleash the potential of onchain

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software systems in our securities

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markets. He is preparing the SEC for

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what he calls, quote, the digital

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finance revolution. It just does not get

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any more clear than this. US securities

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markets are coming on chain.

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In that same speech, Chair Atkins also

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outlined his vision for what he calls

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regulation super super app. And this

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creates a framework for uh a regulatory

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framework to allow three distinct kinds

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of assets to all trade on one user

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interface despite different underlying

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backends. Those three asset types

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include non-security crypto assets,

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tokenized securities, and tra and

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traditional securities. And while these

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assets all have different backends,

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users should not have to care. You

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should be able to trade any of these

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things all from the same front end.

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Under this framework, these regulated

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financial super super apps are going to

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be able to offer these services and many

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others things like staking, lending,

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trading, or just general access to DeFi,

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all from these regulated super app

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platforms. And they're going to be able

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to do so without getting 50 state

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licenses or even going through multiple

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federal licenses.

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The makings of these super apps already

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exist today. They look like Robin Hood,

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Coinbase, Sofi, and many others.

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Soon, you're going to be able to access

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cryptonnative

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protocols such as GTO, Drift, Commamino,

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and a lot of others directly from these

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regulated financial super apps.

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In this reggg super app vision, the

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worlds of regulated financial services

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and permissionless crypto protocols are

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converging and this is going to open up

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access to capital markets for people all

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over the world and it's going to result

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in an absolute boom in onchain defi

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activity. Taken together, we are at a

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critical inflection point. For the first

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time in a 100red years, the technology

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and the regulatory frameworks have come

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in into alignment and that's created an

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opportunity for innovation and

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ultimately for rebirth of our capital

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market structure.

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This combination is creating the

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substrate on top of which we can finally

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build internet capital markets. At the

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highest level, internet capital markets

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should just be thought of as one global

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market. A market in which anyone

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anywhere with just a phone and an

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internet connection can trade any asset

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from any software modality. It's

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actually a beautifully simple concept.

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Blockchains are going to be the

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infrastructure that powers all of the

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issuance, access, trading of those

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assets.

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With internet capital markets, finance

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becomes an internet native primitive for

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the first time ever. All right, with all

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this context, let's now look at some

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pretty fun examples on how we think

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internet capital markets are going to

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come to life. Reading the journal and

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think the Fed's going to cut interest

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rates. Well, with internet capital

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markets, you're going to be able to bet

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on interest rates on using something

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like Kashi without ever even leaving the

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journal.

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As this kind of a behavior proliferates,

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we expect that the nature of media

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itself is going to change because a lot

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of media is now going to be derived from

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the prediction markets. The kind of

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analogy to understand would be if you

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look at most financial media today, it's

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de facto about a stock price or an

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interest rate. We think that prediction

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markets are going to just change how

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media works for all kinds of subject

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matter. Is the next pass going to be

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completed? Is Curry going to drain a

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three? Is Bryson going to drive the

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green on Whole 16? Internet capital

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markets are coming to the TV, too.

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Twitter actually attempted the second

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screen experience about 10 years ago uh

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by embedding a social feed right next to

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the main video content. But it turns out

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that was kind of the wrong instantiation

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of the second screen experience. The

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right instantiation of it is not social

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content, it's financial. By betting on a

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game, it makes it way more entertaining

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and engaging. And putting finance as

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that second screen experience alongside

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the sports is going to drive all new

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engagement in sports TV.

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Thank you. I haven't done the work, but

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I hope others do. One dirty secret is we

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all know that everyone likes to bring

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their phone to the throne

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and uh soon you're going to be able to

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swipe to bet while you're taking care of

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business.

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My point in sharing this is that

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internet capital markets uh are going to

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be embedded in software everywhere and

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you're going to have all new kinds of

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ways to trade. It might look like swipe

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to trade as shown here. Could be type to

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trade, could be tap to trade. People are

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going to play with all kinds of fun new

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ways to trade.

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Speaking of text to trade,

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I think in the pretty near future, our

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favorite besties are going to be trading

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directly in their group chat. In this

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case, Jason's buying from Robin Hood,

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obviously. Uh, and this is all powered

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by Superstate uh, equities on Drift.

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Millions of people actually already

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trade uh, crypto assets using Telegram

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bots that are not too dissimilar from

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this illustrative example I'm showing

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here on the screen, but right now that's

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mostly contained just in crypto circles.

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We expect that this kind of experience

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is going to make its way for trading all

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kinds of assets and prediction markets.

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We think in sports betting in

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particular, this is going to be super

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pervasive. Being able to chat with your

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friends and make bets on sports in a

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group chat is going to go viral.

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Speaking of trading with friends, you

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know, Jim Kramer really was

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entertainment finance 1.0.

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But as we think about what Entertainment

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Finance 2.0 looks like, we think it

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looks a lot more like Roaring Kitty or

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Dave Portoi.

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There are today tens of thousands of

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streamers all over the world streaming

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content and trading with their fans and

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their audience members. And this is

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happening every day on Salana. With

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Internet Capital Markets, you're going

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to be able to have groups of people,

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anyone, anywhere, all trade the same

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asset together, all from one live

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stream. This is going to be one of the

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new frontiers in social finance. And

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lastly, of course, we cannot forget

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podcasts.

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Soon you're going to be able to buy

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Tumat's newest spack, maybe some Uber

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from Jason, maybe buy some Bitcoin or

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some Salana, or make a bet on a

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prediction market, all while you're

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watching your favorite besties.

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Internet capital markets are going to

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have a profound effect on how we view

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and think about and understand markets

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as they become embedded into media.

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Markets are no longer just going to

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exist in some silo in London or Wall

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Street.

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Markets are going to become the media

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and the media is going to become the

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channel. Just as software has eaten the

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world over the last 20 years, internet

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capital markets are going to absorb

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every function of capital formation,

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trading, settlement, and risk. The

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legacy system is not going to adapt.

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It's going to be consumed.

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And this shift is not going to happen

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alone. It's happening in parallel with

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AI, one of the most transformative

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technologies of our lifetimes. If AI is

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rewriting how companies are built, then

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internet capital markets are rewriting

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how companies are going to be financed,

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traded, and owned.

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It's an incredibly exciting time to be

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an investor and a builder in the space.

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This is truly a generational opportunity

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um that only presents itself when the

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conditions are just right. We finally

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have the alignment on both the

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technology side and the regulatory side

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to get there. When we look back in 20

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years, the year 2025 is going to be

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remembered as the year that the dam

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broke. It's going to be akin to how the

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Telecommunications Act of 1996 unleashed

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the power of the internet.

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Everyone here, all of the builders and

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entrepreneurs in the room and all the

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investors here along with everyone who's

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watching at home online has a chance not

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just to witness this shift, but to be an

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active participant in it because

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internet capital markets are open to

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everybody. Thank you.

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Interactive Summary

Kyle Sani from Multicoin Capital discusses the evolution of capital markets, arguing that the legacy financial system is bloated and inefficient. He proposes that internet-scale capital markets built on blockchain technology, supported by new regulatory alignment, will redefine finance. By embedding trading and prediction markets into everyday software, media, and social experiences, internet capital markets will become accessible, global, and seamlessly integrated into digital life, ultimately consuming the traditional financial model.

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