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>> What's up? What's going on? What's

happening?

>> Chaos. I love it.

>> Everything.

>> Yeah. The world's crazy.

>> Center of the storm. I think I think the

world's back at war today again. Like

officially,

>> right?

>> I don't know. I don't think that

agreement with Iran lasted at all.

>> Which one?

>> I think there's there was bombings today

in Lebanon and I think there's bombings

today in American bases.

>> I try to not pay attention, dude. I

really do. I try to distract myself with

science stuff and space. Uh, I was

watching this documentary yesterday on

how they make chips, like how they make

like semiconductor chips. Dude, this

[ __ ] machine that they use. I'm going

to send you this, Jamie, because it's

bananas. It's like one of the most

complex machines in the world. And this

this machine they use to make

semiconductors, make chips. And they

were explaining the process of making

these chips, how [ __ ] nuts it is,

man. the the amount of atoms that are

stacked on and like the way they do it

to make these like super complex

high-end chips. There's people out

there, Tony, that are doing things way

different than us. Okay? We're out there

talking about sucking dicks and

people [ __ ] themselves. And what's

going on in other parts of the world is

people are doing science fiction. like

they're they're actually doing science

fiction. Uh here it is. Give me a

second. I uh like to save things. Here

it is. The world's most important

machine.

>> It's the one that's an hour long.

>> Yes. Did you find it?

>> Yeah. Just an hour long.

>> Yeah. But go just go to the There's some

animation where they show how they make

these things. Like it was right where

you were at.

>> This is right at the beginning.

>> Yeah. Okay. Oh, okay. So, they're just

showing some of the um the different

aspects of how these things are made.

Look, go back to where that guy had the

laser beam. That's perfect, actually,

where that guy had the laser beam. So,

this is him explaining this. So, look at

this. Back it up a little bit and give

me some volume.

>> Can you back it up a little bit, please?

>> I want to introduce it to you with a

thought experiment. Imagine

you are shrunk down to the size of an

end and you're given a laser that's

strong enough to melt through metal like

butter. Next, a tiny droplet of molten

tin, roughly the size of a white blood

cell, is shot out in front of you around

250 km hour. And your task is to hit

this not once, not twice, but three

times in a row in 20 microsconds with

your little laser. Well, that is exactly

what this machine does. It hits one tiny

tin droplet three times in a row,

heating each one up to over 220,000

Kelvin. That's roughly 40 times hotter

than the surface of the sun. And it

doesn't just hit one droplet. It hits

50,000 droplets every single second.

>> How often do you miss a laser shot?

>> We don't miss them.

>> What? You do 150,000 laser shots a

second and you don't miss one.

>> Exactly. The same machine also contains

mirrors that might just be the smoothest

objects in the universe. If you scale

one up to the size of the Earth, then

the largest bump would be no thicker

than a playing card.

>> On top of that, it is able to overlay

one layer of a chip perfectly on top of

another and never be off by more than

five atoms. And this is all happening

while parts of the machine whip around

at accelerations of over 20 GS. For 30

years, almost everyone thought that

actually building this machine was

impossible. And yet, it exists. There is

only one company in the world that can

make it. So, what is this company? And

what is this impossible machine they've

built? This video is

>> There you go.

>> That's it.

>> Wow.

>> Yeah.

>> What are they doing with that?

>> All computers, like computer chips that

are getting better and better and

better. All these AI chips. This is how

they make One interesting thing I can

just add, I know when they make those,

they make like a big sheet of chips, you

know?

>> Mhm.

>> Like there'll be like 30 or 50 of them.

They'll test each one in the ones that

are the best, but test like one out of

100. The ones that are like closest to

100 become like the i9 chip. And if it's

like uh 85 out of 100, it becomes like

the i7 chip. So they all come off the

same sheet. Like the best ones become

the best chips. They sell them for the

most money.

>> The next ones are just a little

degraded.

>> No kidding. Interesting.

So where there was that issue with that

Samsung chip factory and it was about

they weren't getting the results that

they wanted. So it's probably they were

getting more of the shitty chips

>> and not enough of the perfect

>> chips. They want really high-end chips

and it's the real

>> you can smoke. We have a fan in here,

dude.

>> Sweet.

>> Um yeah. Uh, I mean, imagine if

everybody died

and it was just us in this room and

there was like three late Well, be more

than that. We'd have to have more

people. Otherwise, we're going to [ __ ]

up the gene pool. We're all going to

look like the English royals. We need We

probably need a few thousand people. A

few thousand people like regular people

like you and I that don't know [ __ ]

about how these things work.

>> Yeah.

>> How much time would we need if we

repopulated the earth with what we know?

Basically, you're starting out like a

[ __ ] like a halfass prepper, you

know, like someone who's on an episode

of Lost, you know, like a one of those

plane crash people trying to figure out

how to survive out there. You're [ __ ]

>> Oh, yeah.

>> You're not inventing that.

>> Uh-uh.

>> How long is it going to take?

>> Infinity.

>> And how many people have to pave the

way? This is the thing. For every one of

these people that makes uh an invention

like this, you're making this on the

back of thousands and thousands and

thousands of [ __ ] super geniuses that

have figured out each and every step of

the way that can lead you to thinking,

is this possible that we could do this

next? You know, they all build on each

other. So, you need all these guys and

hopefully they don't get any [ __ ]

because otherwise they're going to get

distracted,

>> you know? Well, I bet if one of them

gets a hot wife, like one of their

patents kicks and they they start making

bank and then all a sudden he shows up

for work in a Ferrari and next you know

he's got a hot wife. Everybody's like,

"Oh my god."

>> Yeah. Civilization just went back 100

200 years.

>> We're going to lose Tim.

>> Yeah.

>> Tim Tim's taking Adderall, coding 18

hours a day trying to figure out how to

get us to Mars. Actually, that's a bad

point because Elon clearly gets [ __ ]

and doesn't seem to be affecting him at

all.

>> I think Elon's different.

>> He's definitely different.

>> Yeah. I mean, some people are different,

different different.

>> It's fascinating how many people want to

find flaws in what he's doing

>> instead of just looking at this like,

wow, this is an extraordinary time to be

alive. But it's because of this

narrative that people have. uh one of

them the big one is this US aid is

killing people narrative that people

have died because of US aid then a bunch

of people have given examples of how uh

them cutting the funding has led to the

end of certain people's lives like where

they were in hospitals that didn't have

any funding and there's a lot of that

that you could point to say right if

they had the money they would have had

the funding and they would have had that

equipment in place or maybe they

wouldn't have but here's the other thing

that's not discounting the fact that a

lot of that money is fraud.

>> Yeah.

>> A lot of it. Like it's not a little

amount. And the idea that you should let

it go on because it's going to save

lives and there's a bunch of people that

are stealing money. Okay, I see that

argument. But why are we sending them

money in the first place? Like wh what's

Did we do something to them? Do we owe

them money? No. Okay, we're just being

nice. Are you sure we're just being

nice? Is there anybody profiting of us

off of us being nice? Cuz usually just

being nice for no reason and just giving

tax money away for no reason. I don't

think they do that. I don't think that's

real. I used to think that was real. I

used to think that charity was real. And

now I look at I go, "Oh, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no. This is a giant scam that's

wrapped up in virtue. It's wrapped up in

a nice cozy blanket of being kind and

compassionate and virtuous and doing

good things for people all around the

world." I think a lot of people get

involved in those things because that's

what they think. We're going to do good

things around the world. They're good

people. I really believe that. And then

they find out how it really works and

then they get stuck in that system and

then they're making their way up their,

you know, air quotes corporate ladder to

the point where some of them are making

a million dollars a year and you're

like, what is this?

>> Yeah.

>> What is this? This is a business. This

isn't really charity. Most of the money

is going to your employees and your

overhead and your why do you have such a

big building? Like what are you doing?

How come you're not just funneling the

money to these people?

>> Exactly.

>> What? Like the LA fire aid. Yeah. Great

example. Spencer Pratt told me how many

what number did he say of nonprofits got

that money? So over a hund00 million

gets raised. I don't know the exact

total.

All of it goes to these different

nonprofits. I think he said 200

different nonprofits got the money.

>> Yeah.

>> So and then what happens to that? Well,

they just pay their employees. They pay

overhead. They pay their rent on [ __ ]

nice office on wherever they live.

>> Mhm.

>> [ __ ] man. It's so disheartening because

you you've so that's what all that stuff

is and it's also if you listen to it

when Mike Benz has been on my podcast a

few times and explains us a

people think of it as aid you think of

it as oh we're helping the world which

is great right but it's not that it's

the agency for international development

and it involves funding rap bands

overseas that are uh the subversive rap

bands that are supposed to uh excite

people to take over the government.

There's like a bunch of like weird [ __ ]

funds rebels. It it funds newspapers.

And what was he talking about? Like the

there was a lot of it like funding rap

music.

Like this is crazy. People have

long said that rap music even though

listen you love hip-hop. I know you just

got back from Kanye West. I'm a huge

hip-hop fan.

>> We got to talk about that at some point.

>> We definitely do. I love hip-hop. Um,

but there's some people that believe

that gangster rap in particular when it

came about in the 1980s was a part of a

the push to popularize it and produce it

was a a part of the government. some

faction of the government, some faction,

some intelligence agencies, wanting to

create more crime, wanting to fill more

private prisons, wanting to erode the

fabric of society so they could push for

more laws to keep you safer. This is

like the one of the most tinfoily of

tinfoil hat conspiracies. But people are

pointing out that right now it's like

one of the rare times where no rap music

is on the charts.

>> Yeah. And they're saying, well, how does

this coincide with US A? Was US A like

actively promoting rap music? Was that

one of the reasons why rap music was so

poss?

>> Is that real? That can't be real.

>> Maybe back in the day. It seems like

that would be more manipulative. I I

don't see how.

>> I believed that until I heard mumble rap

and I'm like, this makes this is not

real. This is trying to make people

stupid.

>> Yeah. There's there's something about

this, you know, and obviously some

artists are better at it than other.

Some of them are fun the way they do it,

>> but I'm saying there's a giant chunk of

them that are inaudible.

>> You don't know what like who's who's

into this?

>> Oh, almost all of them are inaudible.

>> Like what what's going on there? Imagine

if like that was it. It was like uh

people heard Nas and like this guy's too

smart. Uh we got to dumb it down a

little. We got to promote some people

that could barely talk.

>> Yeah. We got to promote some people that

are on cough syrup apparently.

>> Yeah,

>> that's the Have you ever done that cough

cough syrup?

>> No.

>> They seem to love it.

>> Yeah.

>> A lot of dudes who are into that that

cough syrup, man. They they swear by it.

>> It's crazy. It's got to be fun. It's got

to be enjoyable.

>> Is it codine? Is that what they're

doing?

>> I think so.

>> Have you done it, Jamie?

Bro, we talked about this before, but I

remember um back in the 90s I got a hold

of some Nyquil, the real Nyquil. Like I

guess they changed the formula for

Nyquil and uh I had you know whatever

the flu or something and I took some

Nyquil and I was laying in bed and I was

like this is wonderful. Yeah,

>> it was wonderful. like the just the

warmth, the softness of the pillows and

the warmth of the bed with the covers

over me like, "Oh, this is wonderful."

And I remember thinking, "Oo, this is

dangerous."

>> Oh, yeah.

>> Like, this is a dangerous feeling.

Because if your life was [ __ ] and you

found that like that's better than

anything else that's happening in your

life.

>> Yeah.

>> And you can get it at CVS.

>> Crazy. Crazy.

>> Who was in the old Nyquil

>> before they switched it?

I avoid that stuff like the plague. I'm

afraid of medicine.

>> So, this stuff probably was like sitting

in my house if I took it. So, it might

have even been older than 97 or 98

whenever this was that I was sick. But

I'll never forget it cuz then I never

get like getting scared like I could

love this. Like I could just drink this

during the day and just like sit on my

back porch if I have the day off.

>> Yeah.

>> Just get obliterated with Nyquil and

just enjoy the universe. I told you

about that time I took a half of the

pain pill that the dentist gave me for

my wisdom tooth. I was like, "Oh, [ __ ]

This is lifechanging."

>> It says, "The earliest Nyquil formula

include Ephadrin, which is a

decongestant, docam,

doc, docyamine,

sisinate, which is an antihistamine,

acetaminophen,

dextro

methorphan, cough suppressant, and about

25% alcohol." Mhm.

>> Oh, I was getting drunk, too.

>> Mhm.

>> Wow. Um, what changed the mid-200s after

the combat methamphetamine at There it

is. They removed pseudo epidurine. So,

was that the stuff? So, it wasn't

coding. But is there I think there is

Nyquil with coding though, right?

>> What I had was pretty good. I don't

think it was as simple.

>> Yeah. You had the stuff they could make

mess out of or whatever.

>> Yeah. Okay. Okay, we'll put it in

perplexity

and perplexity says in the mid 20ou.

Yeah, Nyquil brands sold in the US do

not contain codin and there's never been

a standard Vix Nyquil with codin in its

active ingredient lineup. Typical Nyquil

form. So codin. So does any cough syrup

have codin in it?

>> That's what lean is. So you're talking

about

>> they add it

>> or is it just prescription cough syrup?

>> That was the whole thing about it.

Maybe I am [ __ ] up my memory and

maybe it wasn't Nyquil cuz whatever it

was. It seems like

>> you get [ __ ] up off Nyquil but you

have to drink like the whole bottle. You

get Nyquil like just get [ __ ] up.

>> I definitely didn't drink the whole

bottle. I I know I took a dose

like a strong dose.

>> I mean you're just getting [ __ ] up off

25% alcohol and a little bit of a

>> maybe

>> a little bit of side mess.

>> See the thing is it's so long ago I

can't remember. I say Nyquil because

it's like saying Q-tips.

>> Yeah. you know, or Kleenex just because

it's tissues or ear swabs. I don't know

if it was Nyquil, but it was cough

syrup, whatever the [ __ ] it was. And I

felt wonderful. And I remember thinking

like, this could be a real problem.

>> Like that one day in bed, cuz I'm always

scared of stuff like that. I'm always

scared to get I knew too many people

when I was growing up that got hooked on

stuff. Yeah.

>> And it just derailed their life. So

lying in bed, I was like, "Oh, you're

going to do this again. No more this."

>> Right.

>> I like it.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. I got a knee surgery once. They

gave me morphine. They made morphine in

a drip.

>> And they say that you can only hit that

button so many times it stops giving to

you. Yeah. But every time you feel pain,

you can just hit the button cuz I was on

like a perpetual motion machine. Yeah.

>> So my legs going and I'm just bang bang

bang bang.

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closest I come to that because I've

never had like a serious surgery or

anything, but I go to this uh they have

a dental office here in Austin called

the Austin Dental Spa. So their whole

thing is like a luxurious

dental experience and they will hook you

up to laughing gas and they let you like

if they're like they're like you want a

little more and I'm like okay yeah and

that's like the closest I get to it is

once every 6 months or so I go there and

dude I'm always excited about this

[ __ ] experience. It is so awesome.

>> Do you ever come up with bits after

doing laughing gas to give you any

ideas? No, but during the thing it makes

me weirdly honest. You ever seen in Kill

Bill when he shoots her in the knee with

the honest gun cuz he was a chemist for

like a living is like his secret job. So

he comes up with this truth serum and

I've noticed that it makes me like

weirdly very honest. So one time when I

was in the dental office, the guy's

doing whatever and I'm like and I'm

jacked on laughing gas cuz it's not

really you're not really like cracking

up. you're just like in heaven and

you're like it's kind of smiling ear to

ear. And I remember going like how long

did you go to school for dental school?

And he's like whatever the answer is

like 8 years. And I'm like did you ever

think about going longer and becoming a

real doctor? And then I and I realized

like kind of in the moment even though I

was [ __ ] up like that's that sounds

mean but I think they're totally used to

it. I think they know that laughing gas

makes people [ __ ]

>> I bet they're not used to that dude.

That's so mean. It's not supposed

that's what I'm saying is it's like a

dangerous

>> a real doctor

>> a dangerous truth serum.

>> Some people want to be dentists.

>> Yeah,

>> we need them too.

>> Yeah,

>> you know

>> crazy gig.

>> Yeah,

>> it's a weird one.

>> I know. Imagine how much bad breath they

smell

>> and just weird things lodged in teeth

for God only knows how long. When I got

my root canal, um, one of the reason why

I had to get it is cuz, uh, I had a cap

on my tooth or a a filler, whatever it

is. What's it called?

>> Fillings.

>> No, the when they just fill your tooth

up. Why? Why can't I remember?

>> Filling.

>> Fillings. Why did I say filler?

Whatever.

>> Yeah. Uh, it was old school one, you

know? It was like white plastic. And

when I was a kid, I used to have them.

They were like [ __ ] lead. They used

to give you lead fillings, which is

crazy. Like kids had lead in their

mouth.

Um, and it was hurting. It was bothering

me. So, what had happened was uh I had

cracked the tooth and it had gotten

infected underneath the uh filling. So,

he takes the filling out and drills into

it and the smell

>> that came out of my mouth. It was so It

was pus. All this pus came out and this

[ __ ] horrific smell.

>> I was like, "Oh my god, is that coming

out of my mouth?"

>> Yeah. He's like, "Oh, that's normal.

It's decay.

There's an infection under here. We're

going to treat it. You're going to be

fine."

>> Yeah. Piece of elk from seven years ago.

>> This is a long time ago. This is a long

time ago. It was before I was hunting, I

think.

>> But it was uh I you know, people die

from that stuff, which is really crazy.

Like, if you don't take care of your

teeth and you get that kind of

infection, those kind of infections can

become septic.

>> Yeah. Well, it's nuts. Sometimes I'll do

a thing where I'll water floss after I

brush my teeth just to see what would

have been left in there if I just did

what normal humans do cuz high pressure

water flossers that I [ __ ] love.

Complete game changer for life. And it's

insane what will jet out of there with

gets stuck deep in between the teeth and

everything. And you know I think you're

I would for the most part I do it before

I brush but every once in a while I'll

be like I wonder if there's anything

left in there you know. Yeah, you have

to floss. You're gonna get a bunch of

[ __ ] stuck in there.

>> But

>> and even then, sometimes I'll regular

floss and then brush my teeth and just

out of curiosity go, I wonder if there's

anything left in there. And I'll do a

one silver with a water flosser and you

see like ding ding ding, three little

things come out. It's like that would

have marinated

>> in between my teeth or in the back of my

gum line or whatever.

>> Yeah, that's not good. But according to

my dentist, he thinks it's all sugar. He

thinks if you go back and you look at

like when people started developing

serious cavities, it's the people have

always had abscesses and broken teeth

and there's always been like dental

problems that haunted people because

back in the day, man, they just pull the

tooth out and then who knows what kind

of infection you still have in there and

they don't treat it. In the 1700s, if

you broke your tooth and got an

infection, you could be [ __ ] dead,

you know? You could die from that [ __ ]

But he was saying that the the amount of

cavities like steeply increased when

people started putting sugar and

everything and then kids started

drinking sugary sodas and eating sugary

candy and that stuff gets stuck in your

teeth. It's like I think that's the

cause of it.

>> Yeah. And probably high fructose corn

syrup's probably just as bad or if not

worse than actual sugar.

>> That stuff's not good for your body.

That's for sure. Your body doesn't like

it. Someone explained to me what's the

difference in the absorption of high

fructose corn syrup versus natural cane

sugar. I completely forget how they

explained it, but they were they were

basically saying that there's some

issues with how the body breaks it down.

>> Well, when you drink a soda, just think

about that. Where in nature do you get

20 grams of sugar just in liquid form

and you just pump it downug?

Ah, refreshing.

>> Crazy. My buddy that I uh went to school

with just flew in from Hawaii, which is

where he's lived for like 20 years. He's

like he's like a wilderness guy. Climbs

trees and cuts down his own pineapples

and coconuts and stuff all the time.

He's he's got a great life. And um he uh

he checked a bag this trip just a few

days ago. Um and he brought it to the

mother ship because that's where we met

up. And he surprised me with this

checked bag that was like that had the

moldings built in and everything. It had

four coconuts and two white Hawaiian

pineapples, I think they're called,

which like run like $65 each or

something in the US. Like it's

impossible to get. And um according to

him, I don't know. Uh he's a real

hippie- dippy type.

>> Is that the dude that you brought to the

mother?

>> Yeah, Anthony. Yeah.

>> Your friend from high school, which is

crazy.

>> Yeah, he's the he's the man. He's just a

real dude.

>> That's crazy when you know people for

that long.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so this dude is

just living in Hawaii, living his best

life.

>> And I I mean, holy [ __ ] these [ __ ]

pineapple. He's like, "Dude, you're

going to love this pineapple. Pineapple.

Pineapple." He just kept going on about

it. I'm like, "All right, okay." Sure

enough. Holy [ __ ] [ __ ] man. It's

nature can deliver you a sugar dose cuz

he was saying that white Hawaiian

pineapples have higher sugar but much

lower acidity

>> than what we're used to. So it makes a

whole different and since obviously it's

natural sugar and this and that. It just

makes a whole different type of [ __ ]

fruit. It's crazy.

>> Sounds good.

>> Wild how we have to go other places to

get unbelievable [ __ ]

>> Well, of course Hawaii.

>> Yeah,

>> Hawaii really should be its own country.

>> Yeah,

>> I listen. I love Hawaii. I'm glad

they're protected by the United States.

People are cool as [ __ ] It should be

its own country. It's 5 hours by plane.

>> I mean, come on, man. Yeah,

>> white pineapples primarily known as

sugarloaf or white jade pineapples.

>> Highly prized rare variety grown in

Hawaii. Unlike standard yellow, they

feature creamy white flesh, particularly

uh practically no acidity and a complex

completely edible core.

>> It was great.

>> And [ __ ] he climbs a goddamn tree

>> like a little [ __ ] monkey boy. Normal

little white dude.

>> How did he wind up in Hawaii? Uh, he's a

real free spirit. He always was. I think

he just went out there, visited, and

stayed. He's the kind of guy that just

gets a one-way ticket places, and

figures it out as he goes. He's in

Youngstown right now. That shows you how

adventurous and crazy he is. He's like,

I'm going to spend a week and a half

there. I'm like, a week and a half in

Youngstown.

>> Why is he doing that?

>> Visit family and friends? He said,

>> is there a good hotel to stay at in

Youngstown?

>> No. And I even had to look this up

recently because I'm like, I'm not

staying at the crazy hotel that I stayed

at last time I was there. So I'm like,

best hotel in Youngsttown. And the

funniest thing is the actual closest

option was in Pennsylvania, like 50

minutes away. Truly, I mean, there's one

like Double Tree downtown, but it's in

an area of absolute chaos. I mean, just

death wish.

>> Do you ever go back there and go, I

can't believe I grew up here?

>> Always. 100% of the time. I got a

feeling for it immediately when I went

to LA and I didn't hear police sirens

anymore, like as often at least. You

know what I mean?

>> Isn't that funny? Like LA with LA's

crime.

>> That's what I always thought. I'm like,

"Oh, this is going to be crazy. I've

heard these Tupac songs. Like, this is

going to be nuts." And it was

>> That was US A.

>> So peaceful. Yeah, exactly.

So peaceful. In Youngstown, at least

when I was growing up there, you could

hear a police siren or an ambulance

siren almost at any point of the day.

>> God,

>> my buddy sent me a shirt recently, too.

Another one buddy um that has the stats

on it of us being the murder capital. I

think it was 90, 91, and 96 per capita.

Not the biggest population,

but per capita, it was the most

dangerous place you could be. when I was

in those most developmental years when a

kid shouldn't be having his head next to

the window. Yeah, there it is. I got

that shirt.

>> Wow.

>> Fourtime defending champion, murder

capital of America.

>> Wow.

>> Yep. In 01 02. That puts me as a

sophomore and junior in high school.

>> 9597. I'm 112.

>> And you're being raised by your mom.

>> Yeah. on the north on the craziest

[ __ ] area of the whole goddamn thing.

The most dilapidated part of the north

side of Youngtown.

>> Wow.

>> Yeah. I can't believe it. That's why

like every part of my [ __ ] story I'm

like, "This is so goddamn weird." So

weird.

>> It is when you think about it, right?

When you really stop and think about it,

it doesn't seem real. 60 years ago, this

Ohio city was named Crime Town, USA.

>> Yep. Crime Town

>> 75 bombings.

>> Yep.

>> Oh, this was the mob days.

>> Yeah.

>> So, it used to be a mob run town, right?

>> Totally.

>> They were called bomb town.

>> Yeah. It was a Youngstown tuneup is a

car bomb.

>> Look at this. 75 bombings,

11 killings in a decade, and no one

seems to care.

>> They were so nuts in Youngstown that

somebody tried to kill the actual

prosecutor, the actual DA. Oh, isn't

that normal that they always try to do

that?

>> Well, it's kind of the stupidest,

craziest thing you could do because then

the entire FBI comes down on you. It's a

little shortsighted to go, "Ah, we're

going to kill the main cop of this city

and not think that anything's going to

happen from that. Well, we beat the

game. We beat the main cop."

>> Imagine trying to be an intelligent

businessman and also a mob leader.

Imagine like planning things out in

advance and but also you're a mob

leader.

>> There was a lot of that going on and I

got to see quite a bit of it. Like there

were uh let's put it this way mall

developers in Youngstown and things like

that. And I got to see firsthand very

young that they were communicating with

politicians at lunchtime and stuff

because I was working at this little

Italian restaurant at the time right out

of high school. and um and having they

were having these quiet meetups in a

quiet in the corner of a quiet Italian

restaurant and you would see these huge

moguls, you know, I won't name any

names, but big business people in

Youngstown meeting with the local this

and that and congressmen. I got to meet

that congressman and that congressman

because they're there meeting with these

super duper rich people. And I'm like, I

wonder what the correlation is there,

>> bro. Back then when there was no cell

phones

>> Yeah. And you know, they had to bug

people. They have to They had to

literally bug businesses to get

information.

>> Like they were all doing something.

>> Oh yeah.

>> You couldn't be involved in any big time

business if you weren't down with the

Teamsters. If you weren't down with the

Long Shoreman,

>> you had to you had to We got TO WORK

THIS OUT, BOBBY.

We're businessmen.

>> That's That's how you did the business.

>> Give a little money to their campaign.

Not a little, but a bit. And then you

can get your stuff passed and make life

easier down the road.

>> Dude, I had friends that had no show

jobs.

>> Wow.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> I had a friend of mine that had a

no-show job in New York at the Javit

Center.

>> You know, the Javit Center is like a big

convention center.

>> He had a union no-show job.

>> Wow.

>> So, he was a mob guy.

>> Yeah.

>> And they they just gave him money.

>> I only get a free check on the Sopranos.

They had those no-show construction

jobs. They're sitting there with their

portable fans. Yeah. No, that's real,

dude. That is a real thing.

>> Yeah.

>> There's They get a certain amount of

jobs. Like they would make agreements.

Like the union would make an agreement.

We get a certain amount of these jobs.

There's like, you know,

>> it's crazy.

>> There's really a hundred jobs, but we

want 130.

Uh, Youngstown was uh a haven for

organized crime related corruption was

ingrained into the fabric of its

society. A 2000 publication, New

Republic, listed a chief of police, the

outgoing prosecutor, the sheriff, the

county engineer, members of the local

police force, a city law director,

several defense attorneys, politicians,

judges, and a former assistant US

attorney as controlled by the mob.

>> So if they have that, if they found that

for sure, imagine how many others there

are,

>> right? That's everybody. That's

everybody. the prosecutor, the sheriff,

the county engineer, the police force,

city law director, defense attorney.

Imagine not being down with the mob.

Like, do you want to stay alive? Like,

do you want to work in this business?

>> Right. And this is a city. I think we

looked it up the other day, actually. I

think it only has 25,000 white people.

>> So, knowing that black people tend to

not be in the Italian mob, just going

off of 25,000,

and that's current. I don't know what it

was back in the day, but the point is is

like it's not a big city.

It's not I think 50 60,000 half or less

white. So

>> there's Tony.

>> Yeah,

>> there's little Tony watching pro

wrestling.

>> Oh yeah, pro wrestling. And even then I

was obsessed with Good Fellas and a

Bronx Tale and a Godfather because it's

like it's just what you're taught is

humanity. Like that's life.

>> Yeah.

So getting out of that and going to LA

and thinking it was going to be all it's

going to be crazy gangs and stuff and

it's just quiet. Granted, I started in

Burbank, which is a [ __ ] television

studio essentially. But when I moved to

New Jersey and I didn't have any money

when I first moved to New York, I I

couldn't afford to live in New in New

York City or I didn't even have an

apartment. I stayed with my grandparents

cuz my grandfather lived in New Jersey

in New York. And um he bought a house

there in I think it was like the 1940s

and they did a thing called

blockbusting. Do you know what

blockbusting is? They would go to door

to door and they would say black people

are moving into the neighborhood. You

got to sell now. And everybody sold. It

used to be an entirely Italian

neighborhood.

>> Uh and he was like I like black people.

Get the [ __ ] out of here. And he kept

his house but it was like one of very

few families that stayed. And then black

people moved out. And then they started

getting like different people, Spanish-

speakaking people, like Dominicans and a

bunch of other. And that's how it was

when I stayed with them. So this is like

nu 91. Yeah, I was three years in the

comedy, so it's probably 91. And uh

while I was living with them, the next

door neighbor's house got broken into by

the cops. The DEA smashed down his door.

The dude had an Audi parked in a

driveway. He was selling crack like

right next door to my grandpa.

>> Wow. The whole neighborhood was just

nuts, dude. Like he would get really

nervous when I would leave. Like I would

leave to go play pool somewhere and he

like be careful. Like it was [ __ ]

sketchy.

>> Yeah.

>> But it didn't used to be like when he

first moved there. It was just an all

Italian neighborhood.

>> Yep.

>> Real estate people even back like what a

dirty thing to do.

>> Scare people into moving. That's

probably the first project of US Aid.

That's probably

>> Yeah.

They probably got real estate people to

destroy neighborhoods.

>> There's something to it. I don't know

the correlation of Italian neighborhoods

being taken over, not taken over, but

whatever by black people like the mobrun

cities like Youngstown, like Chicago,

like Detroit. Um,

it's an interesting anomaly. I wonder if

there's any correlation between the

things. Well, you know, most of the

Italians that came in the early 20th

century were very poor. You know, they

were all coming over here for labor or

jobs and things along those lines. And

um you know, when they started doing

better, they you know, they started

moving out and moving into the suburbs

and moving into you know, more

gentrified areas. It's always what are

the new immigrants that are going to

come and take over this area that was

like formerly a lowincome Italian

neighborhood or a lowincome Irish

neighborhood. It's the same thing. Like

there's cycles, you know.

>> It's like there's cycles in fighting

too. Like in the early 20th century,

there's a lot of Jewish fighters like

Slappy Maxi Rosen Bloom. You never heard

of him, right? Some very good Jewish

fighters. um because they were poor and

there were the the new immigrants, you

know, and this is like before World War

II. And then in and even afterwards

there was some but then you get

Italians, you get a lot of Italians, get

Rocky Marciano, Rocky Gratziano, there's

a lot of like uh Jake Lamada, there's a

lot of these like Italian bad

[ __ ] because they were poor.

>> Yeah. And then what happened? Then you

got a lot of Puerto Ricans, a lot of,

you know, it's always like who's the new

immigrants,

>> right?

>> And who are the most hungry, come from

the most povertyridden areas. Like

Roberto Duran came from a terrible part

of Panama. Like not terrible, but I mean

like very poor, very violent.

>> Yeah.

>> And he was one of the baddest

[ __ ]

>> Boom. Manini was right down the street.

>> Yep. Yeah. I mean, Youngstown's known

for boxing.

>> Yeah. Kelly Pav. Kelly Pavick, who's

been on the podcast. He's awesome.

>> Yeah,

>> he was a beast, dude.

>> Oh, man.

>> That fight with him and Germaine Taylor

won. Sometimes I still rewatch the end

of that to

>> How did he survive?

>> Give me a burst of energy.

>> I mean, how did he make it through that?

That was a crazy I mean, he got dropped.

He looked like it looks like the fight

was over. And then when he's got him in

the corner and he rocks him

>> and you you go, "No way. He's coming

back. This is crazy." Easy.

>> This Did you watch uh the fights this

weekend? Geron Boot Boots Enis and I

forget the the dude he was fighting.

>> No, I was at that concert. I missed it.

>> Boots is very good. And for the most

part, he beat his ass. But the third

round he got rocked. The third round was

incredible cuz he the kid he was

fighting, who's the gentleman that he

was fighting, Jamie?

>> Zas.

>> Zas. Yeah. Young kid. He uh got dropped

in the second round like pretty bad.

Boots is very good. He's like one of the

best boxers alive. And then the third

round, the kid came back and rocked

Boots and it was just a war. Just the

third round was incredible. Boots wound

up stopping him. I think he stopped him

in like the seventh or the eighth round.

Uh he just dropped him one last time and

the the re the corner called it. It was

enough. Like he was getting his ass

kicked, but he was very very valiant,

you know. It was a really good fight.

Like Boots is better than him. Like

clearly he's like he's on another level,

but this kid showed just tremendous

heart. But it's like that third round

was just coming back from getting

dropped in the second. Like those kind

of moments where a guy's getting [ __ ]

up like like the Gachi Tapora fight.

>> Yep.

>> Perfect example.

>> Yeah.

>> Right.

>> That's when it's really a fight.

>> A a real fight cuz Toporia was on him in

that second round,

>> man. We were so close. They were in They

were You could hear it.

>> They Oh, you could really You could feel

it where I was, man. And you know,

obviously we're always close to the cage

on those things, but then when gate when

Turia was landing those body shots, it

was right against our side of the fence,

and I'm literally like, "Oh my." I mean,

holy [ __ ] [ __ ] man. And I've seen a

lot of people get ripped to the body

before, but there is something about his

close range strength in near that

clinch, that close up [ __ ] range of

Elia that is scary.

>> He's so good, dude. He's so good and

he's so precise. He just tried to like

ch I always repeat this because Chail

Son said it was perfect. If you try to

win by knockout and fail, you won't win

a decision.

>> Yeah. And sometimes you just run out of

gas because like you're not supposed to

fight like that if you think that the

fight's going to go five rounds. Like

Ilia had him hurt and he's like, I can

take him out. But Justin's so durable,

man. He's so durable. And that left hook

to the body, the sound of it, man, is

just whip. It's so perfect. He throws

perfect punches. His punches are just I

mean even Justin said it in the

postfight interview like when he's fresh

his skills are unmatched. Like that's a

crazy thing to say to a guy you just

beat up and made stop. He stopped him in

the fourth round.

>> Yeah,

>> that's crazy to say like his skills are

unmatched. But they really are.

>> Every point of that I'm at every point

of that anybody I think that knows

anything about those two fighters is

going until this is stopped. Anybody can

win this. Like even when his face was

blown up and his eyes looked black and

closed.

>> Mhm.

>> Until that air horn rings, I'm like

anything. One punch. And we've seen it

even with Gachi. You saw it with

Holloway, right? Was it him? Who did he

square up with in the middle?

>> Holloway. Yeah.

>> Yes. Hit him with that final punch.

>> One chin. One with one second left. It

can all be over.

>> Yeah. That was a little different in

that Holloway caught him with a jump

spinning back kick to the face in the

very last seconds of the first round and

broke the bone of his nose.

>> Um, we talked about it on the podcast

and I was like that changed that fight

because before that Gatei was pressing

him and it looked very competitive and

it looked like maybe Gachi had a slight

advantage but that's cuz Max Max's very

clever, very clever fighter. like he's

always switching stances and moving and

you know really hadn't showed that

spinning back kick a lot that hadn't

been a feature in a lot of his fights.

He did it a few times but to for to for

him to land it that way backing up jump

to the face I mean it was perfect.

>> Yeah,

>> it was perfect. And his nose was [ __ ]

And if you're fighting with a broken

like a broken bone on your face every

time you're getting hit you're getting

just blasted.

>> Yeah.

>> You're the pain is insane. And then, you

know, he had, you know, he was a step

behind Max. Max is teeing off on him. He

landed some good shots, though, even

though it was a good fight. I mean, Max

was definitely ahead in the fifth round,

but it was a good fight. And then, you

know, during that wild exchange, he

should have never done that.

>> Yeah,

>> he was already fading, whereas Max was

still very fresh.

>> [ __ ] crazy fight, man.

>> Yeah,

>> that was a crazy fight. I think

Topiria's nose was broken in round two.

I think it was pretty early on and uh

>> hard to say.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, but uh Justin did clip him

with a bunch of those uppercuts. So

Justin does this thing where he like

collar ties you and then throws an

uppercut in tight. And he's really good

at it. He's really good at like turning

you a little and then throwing an

uppercut. In these exchanges, he collar

ties and uppercuts. He caught him a few

times and you just get one of those on

the [ __ ] nose on the old schnozle.

This thing's so brittle.

>> Yeah.

>> It's such a If you feel your nose, just

feel it.

>> Have you ever seen Morab's nose?

>> The X-ray of Morab's nose. You never

seen it.

>> I sent it to you, right, Jamie?

>> Jamie, you'll find it.

>> It's crazy. Look what it looks like.

>> Oh my god.

>> Look at that.

>> Oh [ __ ]

>> bro.

Jeez.

>> That thing is destroyed. I mean, it's

destroyed. He's getting zero air out of

that. He's got the best cardio on planet

Earth, and he's getting zero air out of

his nose.

>> Wow.

>> But he won't get it fixed cuz if he gets

it fixed, he he can't fight for like a

year and he just wants to keep on

trucking.

>> Yeah,

>> that dude's a freak.

>> If I was his friend, I would say, "Dude,

you got a lot of money. You're a world

champion. Fix the nose. Let's fix it.

Let's take a year off. Come back and

[ __ ] these [ __ ] up." Cuz if

that guy's got a fixed nose, he's got

10% more cardio. Are you crazy? That guy

with 10% more cardio. That's an extra

weapon.

>> I would get it fixed. But the problem is

if he gets it fixed and then like he

fights a guy like Hollow and he gets

jumping spinning back kicked to the nose

in the first round and it's shattered as

again, then he's kind of [ __ ] Because

if they have to fix it again, then they

might have to start taking pieces of

your rib out and reconstructing your

nose and grafting bone and doing weird

[ __ ] And then sometimes that [ __ ]

doesn't take and sometimes it gets

infected and then you have a bone

infection on your face and what do they

do then? Then they have to remove your

nose. Is that what they have to do?

>> [ __ ]

>> God.

>> Scary [ __ ] man.

>> Very much so.

>> These [ __ ] dudes, man. That is a

crazy job to risk your life, risk your

health, risk your bones. You You're

making a living by trying to damage

another person who's trying to damage

you.

Nuts. But it's also why it's the most

exciting [ __ ] in the world to watch.

>> Exactly.

>> So exciting.

>> Yeah.

>> Even boxing as, you know, tamed in

comparison to MMA because there's less

weapons and less options and a lot more

padding.

>> Yeah. You don't get the chokeouts, the

crazy chokeouts.

There was a crazy choke out this

weekend. Um, his name is Ruseov and he

fought uh God, how do I say his last

name? He fought this Russian cat and got

him Russian or Ukrainian, I forget. Um,

but he got him in a rear naked choke and

and put him to sleep. And it was one of

those ones where the guy looks dead.

He's like lying there. I mean, it was a

[ __ ] nasty choke, man. And yeah, like

and it's Look at him.

>> Oh yeah, I saw that.

>> It was dark, dude.

>> It's another meme out this week along

with the W girl pointing.

>> What's his name,

>> bro? It was nuts.

>> The memes on these things are nuts

nowadays. Oh, the internet is

undefeated.

>> Oh, it's crazy.

>> They're so good at memes. Oh my god.

>> There's so many people out there working

jobs that they hate

>> that are smart and funny.

>> Yep. We were talking about it the other

day, but you you've have you caught up

with any of those WNBA what's her name?

The girl that's pointing at

>> Sophie Cunningham.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. I've been um paying Can you put

that thing in the middle? Put the

ashtray in the middle. Um, I've been

paying attention very little, but one of

the things that I did watch is all the

fowls. Like these [ __ ] throw each

other to the ground. They and they poke

each other in the eyes.

>> Like they do this. They literally jab

each other in the eyes. It's crazy. Like

they they foul and also they travel so

much.

>> Oh, it's crazy.

>> They take like four or five steps and

then no one calls them on it.

>> Oh, yeah. double dribble everything.

>> Is there a trend now to not call

traveling?

>> Yes, without a doubt. In the actual NBA,

it's a thing too.

>> There's it's hard to get into this

without going way into like the weeds,

but the NBA has a technically different

rule than college and like high school

and everyone else where there's they

call it a gather step and they

definitely would call it in high school,

>> but they work all day manipulating it

with the referee watching them saying

like you can do that but you can't do

that. you can do this, but you can't do

that. And so, like, they've got it to a

place where everything they're doing

looks like traveling and dribble double

dribbles, but guys will break it down in

slow-mo and you'll be like, "Well,

technically it's not."

>> Cuz weird. I always thought if you took

a step, you had to bounce the ball.

>> Yeah,

>> that's how it should be.

>> You're allowed to.

>> Doesn't it seem like that should be how

it is? When you see guys taking four

steps, you're like, what's going on?

>> But do you want to see exciting

basketball or not?

>> Yeah, I do.

>> All right. Well, then just let the

referees call the game how they call it.

>> But I think there's something exciting

about you having to bounce that ball

because you won't be able to score as

much, right?

>> Correct.

>> Like if you have to bounce it every two

steps, whatever it is.

>> I wish I loved the NBA like I did when I

was a kid and [ __ ] Barkley and Jordan

and Ewing and all these people were

physical. It is just a whole different

game now.

>> So back then was it traveling like when

the Larry Bird days?

>> Hell yeah. Unless Jordan talked to the

ref and said, "Yo, you're wrong. Let me

do what I want." And then

>> Well, Jordan had the cheat code where he

would leap from the [ __ ] free throw

line. That is so when I've watched

videos of that, it doesn't even look

real.

>> He was such an amazing athlete.

>> He was so good and so possessed by his

desire to win. He would do things that

you would just go, "How does a person

fly?"

>> Yeah,

>> dude. Imagine if he was like a like one

of those jumpers, those long distance

jumpers. He'd probably have an insane

jump.

>> Yeah,

>> because he he's going from the free

throw line in the air.

>> That's crazy.

>> Everything he did was crazy. The way he

did things, the way he practiced,

everything.

>> Yeah. And did he not make his college

team?

>> No. That's

>> high school team.

>> No.

>> Wasn't there like one year

>> when he was a freshman? He didn't make

the varsity team.

>> That's what I'm saying.

>> Yeah. That's most freshman don't.

Perfect. May have changed basketball

history forever.

>> Most freshmen don't. That doesn't make

sense because they're not even developed

yet.

>> Yeah, that's plan.

>> I know kids in Texas, they keep their

kids back a year.

>> Wow.

>> They want their kid to be bigger.

>> I want Billy to be the biggest freshman.

I want him to be a 15year-old freshman.

We're pushing for right before his 15th

birthday. Like, hey, 15's a sophomore.

Billy's a [ __ ] cheater. Why you

sandbagging Billy?

>> Yeah. that it doesn't bother me nearly

as much in a sport like football where I

see what you're doing like you're

preparing a kid for a professional

future perhaps. Especially in Texas,

they're very into it down here. But if

it's a wrestling, it's like, hey,

>> yeah,

>> hey, there's [ __ ] no money in this

and that kid's 16 and he's in the ninth

grade.

>> Yeah, it's nuts.

>> How is the How old is the oldest that a

kid can be and compete in high school

sports?

Jamie,

>> please put that into our sponsor

Perplexity. Let's find out. I wonder if

it varies by sport.

>> Definitely by sport and by state.

>> Interesting.

Do they all have a cap at 18 or do they

allow you to compete at 19? Yeah,

there's going to be a But before I even

hit enter, I know it's going to say

something about like your graduating

class can't be out maybe more than like

two years or something like that in case

you got held back or you had an injury

or something like that.

>> Boy, I remember from my days of being

like 17 and 18, the difference between

17 and 19 was huge.

>> Oh yeah.

>> It's a big difference.

>> [ __ ] yeah.

>> By the time you're 19, you're basically

man strength. You 17 I was like a boy

still.

>> Yeah. you know, like I was flimsy. 17

was like a flimsy kid. By the time I was

19, it was it's a different animal. You

You've got two more years of training

and testosterone in you.

>> Yeah.

>> If you're a wrestler, that's got to be a

huge advantage.

>> Every advant everything in wrestling is

a huge advantage. Starting one year

earlier is crazy.

>> Huge. Huge advantage.

>> 19 based off of certain

>> Oh, bro, that's so rude. making

19year-olds wrestle against like

possibly 15 year olds is crazy, right?

So, if you are like in a certain weight

class that's not strong, like I wasn't a

good wrestler. I was a pretty good

wrestler, but I started I was on the

varsity team at my high school and uh

like one year I didn't even cut weight

or one one weight class I didn't cut I

was I there was a guy that was below me

at like 126 or 128 and he was better

than me and so the next available weight

class was 134 which is I that's what I

normally weighed when I was 15 so I just

wrestled at 134.

>> That's lovely.

Well, I could have been in there with a

19-year-old [ __ ] animal who weighs a

buck 60 and dries himself out briefly to

hit 134. And there was guys like that,

man. You would see them at like the

states and you go, "What the fuck?"

>> Yeah.

>> And they were going to camps, so they

were wrestling 365 days a year, all year

long.

>> Oh, yeah.

>> I just started. I didn't know anything.

>> Same. I started as a freshman in high

school and got [ __ ] up.

>> I didn't even start as a freshman. I

started as a sophomore.

I started as a sophomore because some

kid kicked my ass in the locker room.

Some some kid grabbed me in a headlock

and threw me to the ground and didn't

punch me. He could have punched me.

Decided not to. But I was so humiliated.

I was like, "Oh my god, I need to learn

how to wrestle."

>> Mhm.

>> Then I also wrestled in the park like in

the grass with my friend Stephen and I

thought I'd be able I was a good

athlete. I was doing karate. I was like,

"He can't take me down." He took me down

instantly. I was like, "Oh no, this is

terrible."

>> Yeah. It's a whole different beast. It's

also like how tired you get. I remember

thinking I used to think that I had

worked out before that because I'd, you

know, taken karate classes and done some

taekwondo. I thought I'd worked out.

>> You don't even know what working out is

until you go through a wrestling

practice. You're like,

>> "We're running stairs. What? What? We're

carrying guys around the wrestling room.

You pick up your partner, your training

partner, you have the firemen carry them

around the [ __ ] room."

>> Yeah.

>> Oh, Jesus Christ. Then you're doing

push-ups and sit-ups to puke. And then

you're doing live drills. [ __ ]

>> Non-stop,

>> dude. Animals.

>> Yeah, we would rotate

uh you know, there's all those different

weight classes and just for shits and

giggles, you know, one of the drills

was, you know, escape from the next guy.

All right. Beep. Whistleblows escape.

You're on bottom. You have to get out

the next guy. So sometimes I at a 103

weight class I would have Hugh Frost who

was I think 235 245 250.

>> Oh yeah. Just for one drill and it's a

[ __ ] joke. It's a pancake and he

would probably he was probably showing

mercy at the time obviously but not

really cuz he doesn't want to he doesn't

want to let this little [ __ ] [ __ ]

103 out from under him. So he's you know

putting enough pressure to keep

everybody there. Not to mention the 165

freak of nature made of muscle and the

185, you know, it was just a drill. But

that reality hits hard. That's how you

see the difference between 15 and 17 and

all that.

>> And someone who actually really knows

how to wrestle and just wrestler

strength. Like I always tell people, if

you want to look at MMA, like what is

the most important skill? The the the

foundation is wrestling. The foundation.

If you wanted your kid to be a badass

fighter, you're like, "My kid really

loves fighting. He thinks he wants to do

it, but I want to prepare him right,

which I do." Teach him how to wrestle,

get that kid into a really good

wrestling program. Because if you have

advanced wrestling, you look at how it

shuts down so many fighters. Like look

at what Hamzot did to Dreus Dupacy.

Hamza, he just raged all them. His

wrestling is at such a high level. And

Dus, who was a world champion, couldn't

do [ __ ] to stop it. He just dragged him

to the ground anytime he wanted to. Got

him in a crucifix like three times.

>> Morab against Ali. I mean,

>> exactly. Exactly.

>> You were watching a guy that does a no

look right hand knockout punch into a

salute. No look at his opponent,

>> right? Get I mean, it's just impossible.

It It appears impossible in every Kabib

fight. The thing I always think about

first when I think about Kabib fighting

is him being on top and having his feet

under the other dude's feet, which is

just that's it. It's the final level

when you can't even begin the process of

posturing out in any way. You are

nothing. You are a tissue in an octagon

with a man

>> and he's wailing on your face.

>> He's wailing on your face and he has

your legs triangled underneath his legs.

It's always funny when UFC or when

casual UFC fans uh don't understand

those little things like that that

aren't even part of the fight. They're

looking up here waiting to see if the

punches are going to rain down.

>> Yeah.

>> But the positioning of his feet is what

I'm always looking at and how scary it

can be here.

>> He's not even doing it right.

>> He's hell on top of people. He is right

here.

>> But that leg being thrown is torture.

It's all the weight is

>> nothing you can do. There's just nowhere

to go. And all that weight on those

hips, people don't realize,

>> like I notice immediately if I ever see

somebody that's kind of on top and their

knees are on the ground. Like if you

look, his right knee isn't on the

ground. It looks like it might be.

>> And look how he keeps slamming those

left hands into Johnson's head. I mean,

he got hit with like 15, 20 unanswered

full force left hand blows.

>> Just holding his arms so he can't move,

>> bro. He's horrible. He was horrible. He

was so good. Khabib was so good. And he

would do this to world class fighters,

man. And by the way, Johnson clipped him

in that fight, too. It was one of the

few times in his career where he got

clipped.

>> One that looked really frustrated. Who's

the Who's the one that looked super

frustrated in that?

>> Barbosa.

>> I'm asking. I don't remember who it was.

>> Barbosa was one of them. But I mean, a

lot of guys who fought Kabib look

frustrated because there's not a damn

thing they could do. Nope.

>> Barbosa was like early in the first

round, he had that thousandy yard stare

was like, "Fuck, like I have to go

through three rounds of this where they

just give up on the idea that they can

even win."

>> Yeah.

>> Like all you're doing is trying to

survive.

>> Yeah.

>> He was a monster, dude.

>> Like that. His leg being trapped is

nuts. And look how he's scooting with it

>> and he's just slamming punches. And you

get up, he's just chasing you.

>> I got the gun right back down. I

thought,

>> but if you get up, he's just gonna

[ __ ] chase you and drag you to the

ground again. So, you blew all that

energy to get up. The moment you try to

punch or throw a kick, he's on you.

You're on your back again. Punch to the

face. Punch to the face. Yeah.

Wrestling's giant. It is the the biggest

skill.

>> Yeah.

>> You have to know how to do everything

else, too, nowadays, cuz all these kids

that like you see in the Contender

Series, these young guys coming up, man,

they're all so [ __ ] talented.

He tried to wheel kick them. And really

more than anything, I feel like

wrestling, being out wrestled and being

just trapped on the ground is so

psychologically demoralizing when you've

been training for a UFC fight and the

crowd is out there and the lights are on

you and you see the logos on the mat cuz

you're facing it.

>> Back that up a little bit. Let me show

you something here too. What's What's

interesting here before that before the

clinch. So after he throws the wheel

kick like Barbos is trying to win,

right? This is the third round. He's

trying to win and he throws this W. But

look, no, go before that. When he throws

the kick, here it is. So, he throws the

kick and misses. He's so tired now that

when Khabib moves for him, he clinches.

Look, he instigated the clinch. Instead

of pushing away, instead of circling to

his left, he clinched cuz he's so tired,

dude. He's so tired. And this dude just

Look at that face.

>> He just drags him down to the ground

again.

>> Twoon one on that arm underneath him,

>> weights being thrown in. He doesn't know

what to do with his legs. He actually

just put his foot above Kabib because

it's so confusing. All that weight on

you. You don't know where to even begin

to start getting up.

>> Well, he's the first thing he's got to

do is get that left leg free. And he's

not going to.

>> That was the part before the crawling

thing.

>> He's a He was a monster. He was a

monster

>> and retired undefeated.

>> Yeah. And there's something to being on

that mat, not being able to move,

knowing that the clock is ticking, and

this is not how you picture this going.

>> Not only that, this is with the current

rules where I think there should be no

stand-ups. I think the only time there

should be a stand up is when there's a

foul.

>> Yeah, I completely agree with you. I

hate it when they stand people up.

>> Even if it's boring. I get it's boring,

but the guy can't get up and this guy's

holding him down. So, he's winning. Yes,

he's winning. See, I know he's not doing

enough. What does that mean? He's biting

his time. You've got to let a guy have

strategy. Like when Muhammad Ali did

rope a dope against George Foreman,

imagine if the referee's like, "You've

got to punch back if you don't punch

back." No, he's he's got a strategy.

Strategy is let George Foreman burn

himself out and then eventually tee off

on him. And that's what he did.

>> Yeah. It stinks that referees can let

the crowd get in their head.

>> Well, it's the the organization wants

action, too. The fans want action. A lot

of people disagree with me and I

understand their point. I understand

their point. Especially if you're a

casual like it's gay. Get them up. Make

them fight. They don't want to fight.

They want to hug. Boo. Right.

>> So what? So what? This is the sport. And

if that guy who's on top, who's biting

his time and recovering, then decides,

okay, now's the time. Let me start

dropping some bombs because I've

recovered.

>> Good. Well, he held the position and he

recovered his energy and now he's

winning. Like, let him [ __ ] fight.

LET HIM FIGHT. GET OUT OF THERE. GET OUT

of there.

>> Yep.

>> There shouldn't be stand-ups.

>> And I get it. The referee gets that

cheer from the crowd. You know, it feels

rewarding.

>> Sometimes when they stand fights up, I

get excited.

>> Yeah.

>> I go, "Yeah, yeah,

>> here we go.

>> That striker has a chance."

>> But my position is still the same. I

don't think they should stand him up.

I'm worse than that. I think they should

start each round where they lost the

last round.

>> Oh, I love that.

>> That's great.

>> So, every round, why do you get to stand

up? Why do you get that advantage that a

striker gets of standing up when you

didn't earn it?

>> Get back down there.

>> Yeah,

>> get back down there. Crucifix. Why' you

have to start the round off in a

crucifix?

>> Yeah, that's how the end round ended.

They look at the big screen, get a

freeze frame of the position, referee

sets you in the exact position and says,

"Ready, fight."

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> I love that.

>> Yeah. [ __ ] off. That's what the sport is

supposed to be. And sometimes it's going

to be boring. Yeah. But that's real

though. At least it's real cuz there's

been a lot of fights where the guy got

taken down in the first round, starts

out the second round, and blasts the guy

and knocks him out. And it's like, okay,

it's exciting to watch, but he didn't

earn that position. He just got that

position because the other guy survived

the first round. And so it's like, it's

one fight. It's not five fights,

>> right? So, I think it should be one

continuous fight with a one minute break

in each round.

>> Yeah. That'd be like if the team losing

automatically got the kickoff after

halftime or something like that.

>> Yeah. And look, guaranteed if uh I was

running the UFC, it would probably go

bankrupt. I'm not the right guy. I don't

know what the [ __ ] I'm talking about.

I'd be a terrible promoter.

I'd be too honest about stuff. And I'd

want to give people fights that maybe

they weren't the most exciting fighters,

but they were above the other person in

the rankings.

>> I I think the rankings should be the

whole reason why you make fights.

>> Sami Zayn won the Universal WWE

Championship over this weekend at a big

pay-per-view.

>> I have no idea who that is, but I'm

happy for him.

>> Shocked Cody Rhodess,

>> who was it who was like a guaranteed

win.

>> I wonder what happened.

>> Rolled him up real quick.

>> Do you think maybe that was fixed? Well,

it was very entertaining.

Very entertaining.

>> I'm sure it was. I just don't understand

how you go back and forth.

>> Oh, it's the best.

>> I know you love it.

>> Well, sometimes that's what I said about

this White House card, by the way, is

like

there's nothing that could have happened

that they could have written, if it was

written, that would have made it more

exciting,

>> right?

>> It felt real the whole time. and the

fights that happened before made it feel

like anything could happen in that main

event. Like it just felt raw and real,

but also storyline, which then when UFC

is at its best like that, it's like the

WWE.

>> That's what's interesting. Of course,

it's not as, you know, uh acrobatic.

Exactly. But it is it was a special

moment. You know, it was a regardless of

how you feel politically and I

understand it

>> if you're if you hate the Republicans

and you hate the whole idea, I get it.

But just as a person who loves a sport,

it was a very unusual experience. Very

unusual. And just I think people have to

just look at some things that way. You

know, some people have a really hard

time separating themselves politically

because they're going, "Oh, no." That

the White House puts on this thing.

There's all this bad press because of

the war. There's bad press because of

this and that. And they put on this

thing at the White House and it sort of

like

>> MAGA washes everything. You know what I

mean? Makes everybody like them again.

Gives them positive press which

undeniable. Undeniable. It gave them

positive press.

>> I mean, the amount of people that have

seen it is nuts. You know, I think just

on Paramount, it's something like 30

something million now. And you know they

were telling me that they thought it was

probably 150 million people had watched

it in some form

>> which was uh you know Tik Tok clips,

Instagram, YouTube. But that is a nutty

number man. And I think Dana and Hunter

they were thinking it could get to like

a billion people see it

>> which is just nuts.

>> Yeah.

>> In some form you know highlight reels

clips. I mean just the Gachi fight alone

just the highlight reels. How many

people watch those on Instagram and Tik

Tok and

>> totally

>> the awareness of the event of the moment

was so huge. It was like nothing else.

Like it didn't feel like any other event

we had ever like I was nervous before it

started.

>> Yeah.