the election is going to be decided

based on who presents a more

aspirational vision of masculinity and

what you have on the far right is this

vision of being provocative aggressive

speaking your mind the far left their

vision of masculinity is be more like a

woman and if any of them resonates it's

the right that could swing the entire

election what happens to America if

Trump wins are you scared of that

America Scott Galloway is back giving

his objective No Nonsense analysis on

what the upcoming US election means for

the future of America and the world

objectively what has Trump done well

he's unpredictable look I publicly

endorse vice president Harris one of the

things I hate about my party quite

frankly is we become humorless

everything's offensive and people are

just so sick of that and then he showed

up and started saying these really

offensive things that felt raw and felt

authentic and really appealed to people

and then if you go to the Democratic

party's website there's a section that

says who we serve and it lists 16

demographic groups but not one mention

of group that has fallen furthest in the

United States and that's young men three

out of four homeless people are men

three times as likely to kill themselves

12 times as likely be incarcerated and

yet they're fighting for everyone except

for them but they feel seen by the

Republican party and Trump even though

under Trump will probably have the

largest tax increase in history on young

people and that has a lot of unfortunate

ramifications and I don't think young

men realize this who do you think is

going to win I'll tell you what I'm

doing this afternoon I'm going to bet

$358,000 on

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much Scott what are you thinking about

at the moment I'm thinking that I've

been on this thing four times and I

didn't get a jacket and that you used to

send this fat van with for me with these

lights and music and a little fridge and

today you sent me this Joey Bag of

Donuts Uber really I feel like your side

piece at year have kind of taken for

granted that's what I'm thinking about

the nice car will take you home after

he's outside appreciate it what am I

thinking about um well we're on the

precipice of a uh what feels like an

important election every election people

say that in the

US the thing I can't get over I just got

back from the US is how tense it is

political parties used to be these

organizations that tried to grow their

membership through policy arguments now

they've become these quasy religions

that attempt to sanctify your beliefs

and it feels like we're in a bit of a

holy war I couldn't get over how tense

and quite frankly how ugly it feels uh

in the US I was at a fundraiser

last Saturday night in Miami actually

just south of Palm Beach I was talking

about team mental health and someone

yelled out Trump

2024 which inspired someone else on the

other side of the room to start booing

and we're talking about Teen Mental

Health things are so polarized uh in the

US so I'm I'm anxious um and it feels

like the US despite all of its blessings

is kind of coming apart from the inside

it feels very polarized and very ugly

right now in the US that's what I'm

thinking about every election cycle in

the US people say that this is the most

important election of our history this

is the most important election of our

time do you believe that do you believe

that this one's important I would argue

this one's more important I don't like

the catastrophizing from both sides each

side would have you believe that it's

the end of the the end of America if the

other side wins which doesn't which

lacks historical context because the US

has endured I would argue much worse

than him or her regardless of what you

believe and America's actually doing

quite well our institutions you know

America's going to be around in four

years regardless of who wins I believe

it does seem pretty consequential though

because this issue around bodily

autonomy is a pretty big deal whereas

bodily autonomy has all headed towards a

woman's right to determine her own

bodily autonomy you know in Mexico in

you know Poland I mean

there distinct of a few Nations almost

every nation has gone one way and that's

towards granting people more rights and

in the US it's the first time we've

taken a right away so that feels that

feels like a pretty big deal and also we

have an individual who has never

conceded the election so this notion of

the peaceful transfer of power being

pretty Central to democracy but at the

same time if people vote for an autocrat

that's their Democratic right and so if

America decides to go that way it's

going to feel

pretty odd I think and obviously I'm I

should put up front I'm I publicly

endorse vice president Harris you know

perfect not on the menu she would not

have been my choice for the Democratic

nominee but it does feel strange that we

are so

polarized and it's sort of a uh it feels

like an election between who America

thinks would be less bad what are all

the like macro pieces here that have

come together to create this sort of

storm that we find ourselves in because

I think of some of them I think about

the role that Elon buying Twitter played

in this I think about um you know Andrew

Tate's rise in culture I think about um

the economic backdrop of what's going on

um and all these pieces you know then

Biden and then the the inflation issues

because of like covid and the stimulus

Che all of these pieces what are those

pieces that you think are most pertinent

that have landed us in a situation where

as we sit here you know with the

election happening tomorrow in America

it's looking likely that Trump is going

to win if you look at some of the the

odds but also young men in particular

have for the first time in the last you

know couple of decades really seem to

have abandoned the Democratic party and

have gone for Trump what are those macro

pieces well there's a lot there so first

off there's some dissonance between the

perception people have called it a Vibe

session and that is if you look at the

economic data it's strikingly different

than the perception

uh the majority of Americans think that

America's headed in the wrong direction

and usually that has something to do

with the economy since

um I think it's 2019 the American

economy has grown 12 and a

half% uh that's double of any G7

nation in 2009 our stock market was a

third of the total market capitalization

of all stocks globally now it's half

Nvidia is worth more than the entire

German stock market China has shed

several trillion dollars in market cap

over the Last 5 Years America has added

several trillion dollars we're the

largest energy producer in the world I

mean the just the the economic there's

190 Sovereign nations in the world 189

would trade places with us if you take

our poorest state politicians always

talk about Mississippi because it's our

poorest state with the worst outcomes

the average household income in

Mississippi is greater than than it is

in the UK Germany or Japan so our poor

state is doing better than many of what

we would consider our competitors no

one's lining up for vaccines from Russia

or China or flying to Dubai or to soul

for AI software America on any objective

metric lowest unemployment historically

since

1968 it's just killing it the problem is

that Prosperity similar to what William

Gibson said about the future is here but

it's not evenly

distributed and you also have a lot of

disruption a lot of people who aren't

who feel like their way of life has been

undermined um you have a lot of people

who aren't doing as well as they used to

a lot of that Prosperity is crowded in

the top 1% an economist did a study and

said if you took out the top 1% of

American earners France has grown

household income faster than the US the

bottom 99 aren't doing as well but the

top one are doing so well

that quite frankly creates this illusion

of Greater Prosperity than there is so

for example we look at the Dow Jones and

the NASDAQ 1% of America owns 90% of the

stocks so the Dow Jones is really just

an indication or a metric on how the

wealthy are doing and spoiler alert the

wealthy have hit 76 new all-time highs

in the last year which is what has

happened in the market so you have this

fissure between perception and reality

but also a lot of people aren't doing as

well and 210 times a day on their phone

it's shoved in their face how well

everyone else is doing I think there's

also the fundamental breakdown in the

social compact in

America is that for the first time and

we've talked about this before a

30-year-old isn't doing as well as his

or her parents were at 30 and that not

only impacts the 30-year-old it impacts

his or her parents it creates rage and

shame uh one out of three young men is

living with their parents under the age

of 25 one and five are still living with

their parents at the age of 30 uh

there's an absence of connection at a

young age only one in three men has a

girlfriend under the age of 30 because

women are dating older because they want

more economically and emotionally viable

men people are opting out of America

especially young

people uh 40 years ago 60% of households

with a 30-year-old in it or 60% of

30-year-olds had at least one child now

it's 27% so the ultimate expression of

optimism in a society is you meet

someone and you decide to have kids and

so that optimism has been cut in half so

you have this consumer dissonance or

fissure between the economic reality and

what's going on because a lot of people

aren't doing well and the social media

algorithms love to pit people against

each other you have young people

especially not doing well the average

7-year-old is 72% wealthier than they

were 40 years ago the average person

under the age of 40 is 24% less wealthy

and when young people or your kids

aren't doing well it impacts absolutely

everybody and then I would say just

psychologically when you are making more

money at your job and now wage growth is

growing faster than inflation so

purchasing power is going up Prosperity

is going up in the

US when you get a raise you think it's

because of your character and your grit

but when the price of cial is up 40% in

The Last 5 Years you blame the

administration so you have social media

algorithms pinning us against each other

you have the political parties have

taken on sort of this religious like

feel where the other party is literally

the enemy young people not doing as well

all sort of overwhelm the notion that

America is the least bad in the world

right now economically on any metric

like I said every nation would kill out

of our problems I was just thinking as

you were speaking about this idea as of

perception versus reality and then you

mentioned algorithms and social media

and as you said that I thought to myself

you know what's interesting now that

algorithms and social media have made

our politicians more visible than ever

if you go back 50 years you only saw

them stood at the podium right making

the speech now you see them multiple

times a day if I scroll on Twitter X

whatever YouTube I see Trump doing 10

speeches a day I get to know him more

and I was wondering in this digital age

is personality now more important than

ever when I'm not just seeing you at the

podium I'm seeing you for three hours on

Rogan then two hours later I'm seeing

you in another state then I'm seeing you

on a clip I'm seeing you at McDonald's

and so the old politicians of the past

were very like straight mhm and you'd

see them on the podium how polished was

that speech now it's actually it seems

the algorithms are going for Loi

politicians and personality seems to be

more important than

principal yeah we've definitely replaced

politicians who were sort of pragmatists

and practitioners who used to go to

Congress and legislate and pass laws

we've replaced a lot of them with

performers yeah in the UK as well we've

just had a series of them you always got

to look at incentives and the person who

raises the most money is almost always

reelected and incumbent 92% re-election

rate despite the fact that Congress has

an 8% approval so the incentives are to

raise a lot of money and the easiest way

to raise kind of a lot of money of small

dollar donations it's actually easier

than trying to get money from a pack or

big money and the way you do that is you

say something fairly incendiary that

tickles the censors of your tribe by

making the other side look stupid you

say something it's Jewish space lasers

or Biden is a war criminal that up on

Tik Tok and the hard left or the hard

right see that and start sending in

money and so you have some of the most

famous

legislators in U US Congress have never

passed a bill but are outstanding at

getting on Tik Tok and raising a lot of

money so it's gone from politicians to

performers I was just thinking about

have I ever seen a boring politician on

go viral on Tik Tok and I've never I've

just never seen it I've never seen a

boring but even in the case you said

where if you say something in Century

it's both sides send you viral yeah

which is interesting well look at

Trump if he

says you know if he says um something

crazy that I'm going to protect women

whether they want it or not that goes

viral and then everyone including on my

podcast we're talking about it instead

of having a discussion about inflation

or if Trump gets into office his current

economic plan shows triple the deficits

of the Harris economic plan

that is essentially what we what we've

been able unable to do the left's been

unable to do is help young people

connect the dots that the deficit under

Trump will probably be ultimately the

largest tax increase in history on young

people because I'm not going to be

around we we're fine for the next 20 or

30 years probably because of our

creditworthiness and our ability to

borrow money but at some point shit's

going to get real and the Chinese or

foreigners are going to stop showing up

to buy our treasuries interest rates are

going to Skyrocket you'd have massive

inflation

and at some point you know that debt is

going to come due right um you know I

love that every lie is a debt and at

some point it comes due but we haven't

been able to connect the dots for young

people that these deficits will in fact

be attacks on young people because it's

a wonky boring conversation and we'd

rather talk about this outrageous thing

he said so these outrageous things

people say take oxygen out of the room

around any real discussion around policy

and in the US I don't know if it's same

way in the UK but politicians love their

jobs so they jerrym gerrymander every

District every congressional district is

very hard red or hard blue so we send

kind of the crazies from the far left

and the far right it's no longer the

general election it's the primary so

it's a war it's an election between

Republicans or an election between

Democrats so they all try to out outc

conservative or out Progressive each

other and we've sent a group of people

to to Congress who fundamentally have a

entirely different worldview you than

one another and also it's minority rule

in the US 20% of our population is 80%

of the senator senators and the majority

of Americans are somewhere in the middle

and that it does not describe their

representation so we have sort of

minority Rule now what has Trump done

well so if you were objectively

analyzing his ability to capture votes

and to get people to believe and come

with him what would you if you if this

was a marketing class and you had

marketing students in front of you and

they were trying to learn from him as to

how to Market their products in their

lives what would you say to them well

the the ultimate business strategy is

when everyone's barking up the same tree

when everyone's zigging you zag so I'll

just the notion that Amazon was the

biggest e-commerce company the model was

you own the consumer data you build the

biggest platform and then you slowly but

surely start increasing your take and

then Shopify comes in and says your

packaging your data I mean the opposite

of Amazon we're not about the customer

we're about you're the customer you're

the client you want to sell on our

platform you own everything we're just

here to service you they kind of zag um

that's the ultimate business strategy

when everyone's going way to go the

other for the last 40 or 50 years

politicians have been very

PG-13 trying to appeal to every group

worried about offending everybody and

people over time just felt like this

guy's really slick and makes me feel

good but he or she's lying to me and

then he showed up and started saying

these really offensive things that felt

raw and felt authentic and really

appealed to people like this guy's

unafraid he's telling it like it is and

he kind of tapped into this sort of

grievance and anger that had been

bubbling up and started saying these

really off-color things I'm going to ban

Muslims from entering the country and a

lot of people even if they don't believe

that said well you know he's not a

politic he wants to burn it down and he

doesn't like he he wants to burn down

his own party so he really tapped into

this authentic Zeitgeist of zagging

while everyone was zigging he he's

absolutely the most non-traditional

politician uh I think in person he is

charming um he's done a great job with

social media capturing attention you

know we're in an attention economy right

and he every day is in the news cycle

realizing that it's like Umberto Eko the

Italian philosopher said the new economy

is about being famous it doesn't even

matter what you're famous for and he's

captured that so he's comes across as

authentic unafraid Politically Incorrect

in a sea of political correctness that

kind of infected both sides he has great

political

instincts um so he's he's kind of zagged

why everyone was zigging and and people

found it refreshing and even if people

don't like him they a lot of people

under the impression that because he's a

business person I I think 40% of America

goes into the voting booth and just

votes on who they think will put more

money in their pocket full stop like

government's ineffective I just want

them out of my pocket and I think

correctly or incorrectly more Americans

believe that they'll have more money in

their pocket because he's a businessman

and will lower taxes even if we kick the

can down the road in terms of deficit

he's convinced Americans that he's

better on the economy than the

Democrats you watched him on Rogan the

other day I saw some of it that whole

strategy of getting out and doing the

podcast circuit I think is this is the

first election cycle where I've seen

podcasting becomes so important and that

Joe Rogan Trump moment I think is a real

defining moment in podcasting but also

like um political strategy what did you

think of that move you you're absolutely

right Stephen this so every election

brings a new medium to the Forefront the

Kennedy and TV

FDR and radio um Obama and Google uh

Trump and Twitter this will be the

election the podcast election because

the last time there was a presidential

race since the last presidential R race

cable TV is down 22% and podcasts are up

30% so by going on Joe Rogan 11 million

people 40 million people have seen that

on YouTube the average cable show gets

about a half a million a prime time

cable show gets about half a million

people so going on Rogan for Trump is

the equivalent or reaches the same

number of people as if he went on MSNBC

CNN and fox every night during prime

time for an hour every day for an entire

week he will reach more people going on

Rogan you might get 300,000 or 400,000

going on CNN maybe for 6 minute or 10-

minute or 20- minute interview so this

is definitely this the election of

podcasts they have become dominant I

would argue the seminal podcast was

actually uh vice president Harris going

on callor Daddy because not only would

did they not go on this medium they

wouldn't have gone on that type of

podcast but for a week the entire Z us

was talking about that podcast it wasn't

talking about her interview on Face the

Nation or it was talking about her on

this podcast so this is the election of

of the

podcaster for me as an objective

marketeer watching that Rogan interview

I thought that Trump's team did a master

stroke I thought it was yeah I thought

they I thought it was absolutely the the

perfect thing to do because absolutely

humanized Trump in a way softened him in

a way that I hadn't seen before and

funnily enough I won't name their name

but I know a lady who's um a very strong

feminist and is very anti-trump and it's

very liberal and she said she watched it

and the next day I said what did you

think of it and she said to me I burst

out laughing like 10 times he's so funny

he's a Charming guy what she said to me

and he talks about you know when he was

on The Apprentice and it softened him

made him seem more human which is what

he

needs um so it's a big mistake

occasionally I hear from the campaign

and they ask for advice and whenever a

campaign calls you and ask for advice

which campaign well I've the only people

who' ever contacted me on been the heris

side I got contacted by the Trump

campaign in the last cycle but not this

one I think they've figured out who I'm

supporting and whenever by the way I

want to be clear when they call you and

ask for advice that's Latin for please

send us money they I think they pretend

to care what you think uh so I don't

want to pretend that I'm having any sort

of influence but my one piece of advice

to anyone I can talk to who's remotely

linked to the Harris campaign is that

she get on a plane go to Austin and do

Rogan why is it in your view that men

are because you know Trump's assembled

this kind of this group of interesting

individuals to to be part of his

campaign from RFK to Elon to VC to Tulsi

gabbit now and and himself and this is

drawn in it seems like young men it

seems like a lot of the I actually did a

poll in my group chat the other day

three or four days ago so six men in

there and I pulled them I said who do

you want to win the election and four of

them said Trump my position actually

which I've not really ever Shar publicly

is that

I I see no great option oh Perfect's not

on the menu yeah I see no great option

so I'm like

and the the things that again I think a

lot about are the the war the wars that

are going around the world so ask myself

who will stop the wars and I think a

little bit about the economy and then

also from a selfish perspective think

about my ability to build businesses to

get visas in the US and those kinds of

things Y and I also think about women's

Reproductive Rights because I think

that's an issue that's quite close to my

heart but why are men choosing

Trump so this is an unusual election in

the sense that neither of these

candidates based on their metrics has

ever been elected before we've never had

since I think since maybe a Roosevelt

was it Roosevelt or Truman actually have

we had a president an incumbent party be

reelected when they're have less than a

50% approval so we've if Harris gets

elected it's a almost a firsttime

occurrence that an incumbent

Administration this unpopular gets

reelected Trump never cracked 50%

approval no no presidential candidate

who has never been above 50% has ever

been reelected so whoever wins it's un

it's an unprecedented election of

someone who typically does not get

reelected in terms of

men what you've seen is young men are

going more conservative young women are

going slightly more Progressive and that

has a lot of unfortunate ramifications

because again it's another reason why

young people are not getting together

and mating it's yet another reason not

to date somebody when I was your age I

was thinking about this when I was

dating for the life of me if I went

through every person I've dated in my

20s and 30s I don't remember what their

political affiliation was I didn't care

we didn't talk about about that it was

like you know are you fun I'm fun are

you attracting me I'm not you know like

let's go out let's drink let's do what

let's see where this goes didn't talk

about politics so it's a shame because

now politics is now kind of a gender

divide so it's having social

ramifications I would argue that young

men are not going to the Republican

Party they're actually less conservative

or people have this image of young men

that their Knuckles are dragging along

on the ground they actually are

almost as in favor of gender rights as

young women what I would argue is that

they're leaving the Democratic party

because if you go to the DNC the

Democratic party's website there's a

section that says who we serve click on

it and it says these are the

constituents in America that we serve

that we advocate for and at list 16

demographic groups ranging from um

Asians and Pacific Islanders the

disabled seniors black Americans um

veterans it goes through all of these

groups and I tried to add it up and I

think it adds up to 76% of the US

population but similar to kind of the

Dei apparatus on campus now or on

University campus is when you're

purposely advocating and trying to

Advantage 76% of the population you're

not advantaging 76% of the population or

advocating for them you're

discriminating against the

24% and that 24% are squarely one group

it's young men and if you look at the

Democratic National Convention it was a

parade of demographic groups but not one

mentioned the group that has fallen

furthest fastest in the United States

and that's young men families and young

men feel this right we don't have an

opioid or a homeless crisis in the

United States we have a male opioid and

a male homeless crisis three out of four

opioid three out of four homeless people

are men right three times as likely to

kill themselves 12 times as likely to be

incarcerated women under the age of 30

are now making more money than men more

single women own homes than single men

and by the way we should never do

anything to get in the way of that

that's a remarkable victory for us but a

lot of young men and their families feel

that they are these young men are really

struggling and they are not seen by the

Democratic party because the Democratic

party I would argue that our big failure

over the last 20 years is we've become

sort of these self-appointed cops of

social justice and have tried to tried

to lecture the nation on what is the

right social policy or behaviors and

that America has pretty squarely

rejected this um um the example I use is

the University of Michigan amazing

university has invested $150 million in

Dei social policy and the number of

complaints about racism is up 30 fold

the sentiment the feeling about America

has all gone down and so the Democrats

have decided where about social policy

as opposed to the economic policies that

are actually going to impact you and a

large part of America has sort of

rejected it young men do not feel seen

by the Democratic party and it's not

only just young men but it's their

families so I would argue it's not so

much they're moving to the Republican

party as they're moving away from the

Democratic party but there's just a to

use this overused term young men do not

feel seen by the Democratic party it's

like you're fighting for everyone except

for me and let's be honest my group is

not doing well the group that has

ascended the fastest globally is women

um twice as many women in the last 30

years elected to some form of parliament

more women globally now are seeking

tertiary education than men by the way

again a huge victory for all of us

fantastic but there's this analogy that

uh uh Chris Williams the podcast kind of

reminds me a little bit of you uses and

he calls it the high heels effect and

that is 50% of women say they won't date

someone who's shorter than them I bet

it's more like 80% it's just an

embarrassing thing to say and it's very

instinctual because women at some point

are more vulnerable because of pregnancy

and raising kids and they want someone

who instinctively they feel could

physically protect them so they tend to

be not attracted to a man shorter than

them metaphorically women are getting

taller and taller each year making more

money more College attendance they're

just killing it more and more people

elected to positions of power and

influence

men are getting shorter and shorter so

in some you know we've talked about this

women made socioeconomically

horizontally enough men horizontally and

down the pool of horizontal and up among

men is smaller and when men don't have

the prospect of a romantic relationship

they come off the rails women oftentimes

will reinvest that energy in friendships

and work men reinvest that energy and

vaping and video games and porn I mean

men without the prospect of a romantic

relationship

I mean look at the most violent unstable

places in the world they all have a

preponderance of things and that is a

bunch of men with very little economic

or romantic

opportunities and so you have a cohort

of not only young men but families that

are upset and angry about this cohort

may be unfairly expectant around what

they should expect from the American

economy but they're not doing well and

they feel seen by the repu the

Republican party and Trump who are

pushing back on many of these social

policies that the snake is eating its

own its own tail that it's gone so far

to the progressive that at the end of

the day it's no longer promoting the

rights of non-whites for

example 60 years ago 12 black people at

Princeton Harvard and Yale that's a

problem uh two-thirds of Harvard's

freshman class now identifies as

nonwhite and somehow as a non-white male

that's not making as much money that's

more inclined to be an addict or

gambling that owns fewer homes somehow

I'm still the enemy I'm still like I've

been told by media that I'm kind of

should have Collective guilt because of

the privilege my dad and my granddad

received so there's a I think

justifiable anger and a feeling that the

Democratic party has really moved away

from young men it's interesting because

you you make the case that you're not

necessarily convinced it's entirely

young men are choosing the Republican

Party versus them being pushed out of

the democratic partyy that's kind of

summarizes your thoughts and the Wall

Street Journal um did a piece showing

that the Republican Party have gained

more young men over the last couple of

years in 2016 they had 35% of young men

by 2023 they had 48% of young men and

that's a 13o increase in just seven

years and I mean that's the stat from

2023 so I can't imagine what those

numbers look like in 20124 based on this

election cycle

um it made me think think a lot it made

me think a lot about the the Dei

narrative and how the Democratic party

could Champion women without pushing

away young men because we all want

somewhere to belong so if you if you

tell me that I don't belong there and if

I'm guilty of something then I'm going

to go find somewhere and what is it that

the Republican Party have done because

if that 133% increase towards the

Republican party for young men is true

there's something the Republican party

is saying yeah which is making me think

I belong over there sure what is that

well to a certain extent I mean the

strange thing about this one of the

strange things about this election is

that a lot of people thought it was

going to be a referendum on women's

rights bodily autonomy I would argue

those voters are already decided if

you're fiercely uh around uh focus on B

autonomy you're going for Harris if it's

not a big issue for you um you're

probably Trump or if you're pro-life

you're definitely Trump I actually think

the election is going to be decided

based on who presents a more

aspirational effective vision of

masculinity and what you have on the far

right is this vision of masculinity that

I would argue is kind of they would they

would say it's being provocative

aggressive speaking your mind strength

right

toughness but the far right is basically

saying be a little bit coarse and cruel

is how I would describe it the far left

their vision of masculinity is be more

like a

woman and neither of those seem to be

resonating with men

if any of them resonates it's it's the

right uh around young men around this

vision of masculinity what I would argue

is

that what we should or the way to

position that you said that you were

passionate about bodily autonomy is the

Democrats have not done a good job of

convincing young men that bodily

autonomy will affect them specifically a

lack thereof if you want to be kind of

cemented in poverty have an unwanted

child as a man that's not going to help

you economically the case I've been

making to young men when I did an

endorsement of Vice President Harris is

that I think if you

pulled uh a bunch of men under the age

of 30 and said would you rather have

more opportunities for sex or less

opportunities I think the majority would

say I'd rather have more opportunities

for

sex what is going to happen to random

opportunities for sex when if a woman

gets pregnant she might end up in an

emergency room parking lot because the

doctors won't treat her if say she's

having a failed pregnancy and she's in

sepsis there are now instances where an

e emergency room doctors are worried

about treating her for fear that they're

going to be criminally prosecuted what's

going to happen if a young woman gets

pregnant and has to carry the baby to

term do you think she's more inclined to

have random sex so I think what we

needed to do and we failed to do on the

Progressive side is to say the bodily

autonomy affects men almost as much as

it does young women and that the

economic policies of Harris will also

give you I mean if I think about

masculinity is being a a provider a

protector and

procreator provider who's going to give

young men the chance to be the better

provider people think it's going to be

Trump that he's a better business person

he did have a strong economy under his

administration not as strong as the

Biden Administration but the general

view is he would offer a better economy

which atmosphere am I more likely to be

a good provider in and they've done a

better job of articulating that even

though I would argue the evidence is

that if whether it's Goldman Sachs or

any Investment Bank that's done the math

they've said that the economic growth

under the Harris policies would probably

be stronger especially when you take

into account that if if Trump enacts the

tariffs he's talking about 60% on all

Chinese goods and does anything

resembling the war on immigration legal

and illegal that he's articulated that's

a recipe for inflation so I don't think

I think the Republican party has done a

better job of convincing men you're

going to have an easier time being our

provider under our administration

because look at him he's a billionaire

we're about cutting taxes we're about

economic growth drill baby drill when I

would argue the data does not reflect

that protector this is where I think we

really blew it and that is and Michelle

Obama gave a very powerful speech I

think your first instinct your operating

system as a man should be your default

operating system should be moved to

protection like real men break up fights

at bars they don't start them real men

protect their country they don't [ __ ]

post it real men have a real a real

Instinct a refle Le Instinct I felt this

way very strongly when I was younger it

was very motivating for me to protect

the women in their life right you know I

don't know if you are you close with

your mother not

really I'm sorry to hear that um I was

very close with my mother and the first

time I ever thought I need to get my

[ __ ] together professionally was when

she got sick and I had this immense

feeling of like failure as a man because

I couldn't take care of my mom at the

level I wanted to I think that's a

really good default setting for a man to

move to

protection you don't need to understand

the LGBT community you don't need to

understand trans rights you don't need

to understand the nuances of legal or

illegal immigration but when you see a

group being demonized your default

setting should be to protection I think

it comes naturally to men men are more

inclined on the battlefield to run out

and save a comrade and get shot than

women women are more thoughtful they're

more like is that a good idea wouldn't

we be better retreating planning and

then the [ __ ] out they're more they're

more thoughtful they look at the fruit

and say is there pesticides in this

whereas a guy sees movement in the

bushes grabs a spear and tries to go

kill the thing and bring it back they're

more prone to they're more risk

aggressive and I think this default

setting of protection is really powerful

for men and we haven't connected and I

thought Michelle Obama did an

outstanding job trying to make the case

that men need to have a default setting

around protecting women and women's

rights are under real serious threat in

the United States it is becoming a

little bit handmaid's taale 21 States

now restrict to some extent abortion and

the most mendacious thing about that is

it's not a war on women it's a war on

poor women because if you have money and

someone your niece or your daughter gets

pregnant you'll figure it out you'll get

your you'll get a medical abortion

you'll have access to mesop festone I I

don't know if I'm saying that correctly

or uh can get her on a plane to a city

where she can terminate the pregnancy

it's the 15 or 17year old black girl who

gets pregnant doesn't have access to

resources single mother doesn't have

money is embarrassed and no one knows it

until she's five months pregnant that

person is really screwed so I I would

argue that the second leg of the

masculinity stool here around

protection is uh not been made that

strongly or as forcely as it should be

around the Democratic policies I was

trying to think through the lens of

someone a young man in the U in the USA

who is looking at both candidates and

thinking which one is going to allow me

to be the protector the better and again

this is where the economy comes back in

because I think to myself well if I'm

rich I can take care of my mother if I'm

rich I can take care of my family so if

I want to be the big strong protector

then I need to vote Trump because I'm

gonna get rich I think that's their

message and I would argue the data

actually says uh something different

that if you look at the economic

policies the the the clearest signal we

have of what policies would be under

Harris would be to look at Biden's

policies the last four years as a matter

of fact she made a huge mistake on a big

show called The View they asked her how

she would differ how her policies would

be different for Biden and she says I

can't think of anything and it's like

well we didn't want to elect him again

why would we want to elect you it was a

huge gap and by the way she's not good

on her feet I mean we don't like to say

that on the left she's gotten better she

was outstanding in the debate cuz you

could tell she practiced and the split

screen she destroyed him during the

debate but on her feet she's not nearly

as good as him he comes off he says

stupid things but he's likable and funny

and she thinks too much she's just you

see her trying to M for the perfect

answer whereas he just goes blah blah

blah blah blah I walked into the room

and I told Putin stop that I said way I

mean you're like you said way to the

president of Russia and also if you want

to see real sexism and misogyny in

America there's just no getting around

it she is

graded on an entirely different curve

than him if she had ever been accused of

sexual assault if she'd said half the

crazy [ __ ] he said it just would be like

everyone's hair on fire she'd be totally

disqualified you know van Jones who I

admire a law said he's Lawless she has

to be flawless I mean people are parsing

her words and then you know he says he

says the most the strangest weirdest

thing things that make no sense and seem

sort of just you know just ridiculous so

she's graded on an entirely different

curve than him but provider right

they've done a better job protector I

think men are young men are starting to

see that this is getting really serious

around bodily autonomy we're heading the

wrong direction and then procreation and

all these things are tied together she's

Pro you know she's offering a first-time

home buyer's tax credit small business

loans she her tax policy would probably

better for young people worse for older

rich people right so I would argue that

and also at the end of the damn bodily

autonomy uh I go back to what I said

earlier guys if you're looking at have

sex you got to give women control

dominion over their domain over their

own person there's there's a few things

that I thought as you as you were

talking through that then one of them is

um in life generally you've got to be

careful what hill you build yourself and

what I mean by that is if Kamal Harris

has built this hill of perfection and

polish then that's what she's graded on

and it's the same for all of us I

remember having a conversation with my

friend who was taking to the internet to

talk about environmental issues and

stuff like that when I knew he didn't

really give a [ __ ] about those things

and I said to him I said be very careful

because if that's the brand you build

for yourself that's the also the brand

you'll be attacked based on because no

one wants a contradiction so be careful

you might not want to be perfect I think

the the best the sort of most protective

position you can take in a world of

cancer culture and wokeism is to admit

how [ __ ] you are at everything

and admit how imperfect you are and how

much you don't recycle because then at

least nobody can call you out and what

Donald Trump has built is this hill of

like kind of sloppiness off the cuff so

we're so desensitized to it and we don't

actually hold him to the standard of the

law anymore yeah and so he it's he's

almost impossible to attack because it's

so

consistent so consistent if you're going

to be accused of assault by a woman the

kid to be accused by

28 uh you know you don't you don't say

one offensive thing you say offensive

things every time you open your mouth

rap this of the prime example no one

comes at them for what they say no but

if some if Taylor Swift said something

off i'' be like whoa you know so it's

flood the Zone but he seems

authentic and I also think that this is

a lesson for the Democratic party I

think to get out of identity politics I

don't think we should have that page

identifying policies based on your race

your sexual orientation your gender I I

I think the sun has passed midday on

that on Dei the whole de thing I would

argue that affirmative action is a

wonderful thing and it made sense for it

to be race-based back in 1960 what is

that sorry well Dei or affirmative

action so essentially in America we've

decided to Advantage certain people from

a very young age we give them money we

give them preference getting into

college we're told we hire them based on

their gender their sexual orientation

the color of their skin so we give we

Advantage some people which there's just

no getting around it disadvantages

others so the question is most people

agree Democrats and Republicans that

some people have had so many headwinds

in their face they deserve a hand up the

question is how do you identify and

what's the metric for qualifying for a

hand up and traditionally it's based on

De the Dei apparatus built on campus has

been based on identity politics you know

are you gay are you non-white right

where and what I would argue is that we

need to move past that get out of

identity politics still have affirmative

action but it should be based on color

and that color should be green and that

is is in America and this is wonderful

today you'd rather be born non-white or

gay than

poor and there's all sorts of evidence

and so Harvard now two-thirds of their

freshman class is non-white but 70% of

those non-whites came from upper inome

homes with dual parents so letting in

the Taiwanese billionaire private Equity

daughter is not diversity so where I

think we need to head in the nation is

to move away in the Democratic Party

from Identity politics and say you know

what we're here to to continue to

reinvest in the greatest innovation in

history and that's the middle class and

we're here to give people from uh lower

income homes a hand up and by the way

70% of the people who now benefit from

affirmative action would still get it

because we do still have a bit of an

economic aparti in the US black and

Latino households average net worth

around 20 25 Grand Average White

household 150 160 Grand so what you

would do is the people who would lose in

a new construct would be non-whites from

wealthy households and the people who

would gain are white kids from appala

who come from alcome homes but you tell

some white kid being raised by a single

parent in Kentucky whose dad has been

incarcerated that oh no you don't

deserve any sort of help that family is

pretty pissed off so I and I have a bias

here I'm a

beneficiary of affirmative action I got

something called pel grants I was raised

by a single immigrant mother who lived

in d a secretary household income was

never over $40,000 so I got grants not

loans based on my household

income and that obviously I'm a big fan

of that and so I think the Democratic

party would be well served to move away

from Identity politics and just talk

about things like the middle class talk

about helping people who are you know if

you if you are from a top one % income

earning household you're 77 times more

likely to get into an elite school the

best thing that can happen to you in the

US the smartest thing you can do is

decide to be born to Rich parents it's

in a different life and so I believe

what the University of California system

did in 1997 27 years ago is the right

way to go and that is they banned

race-based affirmative action and they

have what's called an adversity score

now and they say has this kid shown

resilience and an ability to overcome

obstacles in his or her life

and I think that's the right way to run

quite frankly government policies

because when we get into identity

politics I think it just creates more

it's now creating more problems than

it's

solving I completely agree and I'm

obviously you know think people would

consider me to be a black man because my

mother's um Nigerian and I was born in

Africa but and you know we had a

tumultuous start uh in in to

my to my life I guess in in a way

because we we didn't have money in the

household we struggled economically but

now I'm good yeah so my future black

kids aren't requiring any kind of

advantages because they're going to be

born into a different class 100% so you

don't need to give my future black kids

advant like any leg up in the world when

they've started with a dad who can who

is can open doors for them and can get

them into whatever school he wants to

get them into so my belief has been and

it's a real belief that's grown grown in

me over the last couple of years is that

we should be doing this based on class

as you say yeah and benefiting those at

the very bottom of the socioeconomic

ladder um with those advantages and not

people like my future kids that's right

who absolutely will not need it in any

regard and I do think there the Dei

conversation is a bit problematic and

I've tried to keep it away from my my

companies but at the same time we do

want a diversity of opinion we do want a

diversity of lived experience because

we're in the creative Industries and we

want to see we want to represent the

world but we don't want to be

disproportionately handing out

opportunities based on factors like race

alone or gender alone it's encouraging

to hear you say that but also I also

have to acknowledge I've been the

beneficiary of massive bias I didn't

even when I was raising money for my

compies in the 90s I didn't even

acknowledge it why are the only people

getting funded in Silicon

Valley white dudes all white dudes 98%

of the capital was going to not men

white men it's like okay I didn't even

notice and it's gotten a lot better but

when I was raising money from my last

company

L2 The Venture Capital firm that backed

us they have a standard and that is you

have to meet with all the partners in a

one big meeting 27 Partners my two

co-founders both women I'm in there I

didn't even notice meeting goes well in

the middle of the meeting my co-founder

who's not a dramatic person goes I need

to speak to you we walk out and she's

like we can't take money from these guys

I'm like why what's happened she's like

you haven't noticed all 27 people are

men there's not a single woman in the

partnership at this ventri Capital firm

not one out of

27 and I it it didn't even dawn on me

that all of this prosperity and

opportunity had been crowded into

basically 23% of the population now

having said that that was

2014 10 years later I think a quarter to

a third of their partners are now female

because they got the memo

and things have changed dramatically and

I would like to think that we've made

enough progress around affirmative

action around identity that we can move

to what you're talking about and that's

economically driven affirmative action

and the great thing about this as well

is as you said a second ago the people

who are in those minorities because of

the statistics will be included within a

class-based system the majority the

majority yeah yeah um which is really

really

encouraging you talked about this

October surprise being t Hing Cliff's um

speech at the Madison Square Garden

rally the other day you know there's a

lot going on like I don't know if you

guys know this but there's literally a

floating island of garbage in the middle

of the ocean right now yeah I think it's

called Puerto

Rico okay all right okay we're getting

there it's absolutely wild to see and in

Texas stuff is really really crazy we're

right there by a wide open border where

my proud Latinos at

tonight you guys see what I mean it's

wide open there's so many of them it's

absolutely

incredible Believe It or Not people I

welcome migrants to the United States of

America with open arms and by Open Arms

I mean like

[Applause]

this it's wild and these Latinos they

love making babies too just know that

they do they do there's no pulling

out they don't do that they come inside

just like they did to our

[Laughter]

country Republicans are the party with a

good sense of humor I I feel like I'm in

two minds about it because I think mind

one is I go he's a comedian and

everybody knows he was telling a joke

everybody knows that a wasn't Trump that

said it and everyone knows that he's a

comedian there to say inappropriate

things if you've listened to his kill

Tony show that's what he does yeah he's

not I there's no part of me that thinks

God he hates Puerto Ricans whatever and

then the other part of my mind goes they

should have known that in that context

any word would be used as an opportunity

to create a marketing campaign do you

think what do you think of that incident

uh so there's common ground with us I

think comedians should be cut a really a

really wide birth I think when Dave

Chappelle says offensive things about

the trans community

he should be given a wide

birth when Michelle wolf at the White

House correspondence din her says really

off-color things I think she should be

given a wide birth comedians play a

really important role and that is they

say provocative sometimes obnoxious

offensive things to soften the beach to

get you to

think and they're comedians so I agree

with you they should be given a wide

birth in my view whether you think it

was racist or not I don't think that's

the important conversation it's 10 days

before the

election art is getting away with it if

you say something offensive it better be

funny I say part of the success of my

podcast with Caris Wier is I say

very offensive things you know she's a

lesbian and I'm like you know how's the

German Shepherd in the

Subaru and there's a pause an

uncomfortable pause and then she laughs

and it gives everyone permission to

laugh and the majority of the times I

say something offensive it's a little

bit oh like I don't want to laugh but

that was funny I get away with it that's

art he did not that was not art it

wasn't funny I mean the worst the most

offensive thing about what he said was

it wasn't funny if it had been [ __ ]

hilarious people would be like oh my God

they'd like and they would have forgiven

him his jokes did not land and when you

said things like we welcome immigrants

with open hands and what we say to

Mexican immigrants is no not here and uh

and by the way they have kids they come

inside just the way they came inside and

it's just like it just wasn't that funny

it was offensive if you're going to be

offensive you better be funny and he

wasn't and just tactically speaking when

you say that there's this floating

island of garbage in the sea and it's

Puerto Rico and there are 400,000 Puerto

Ricans in

Pennsylvania and if 10,000 more who

might have sat on the couch that day

actually get up and kind of you know

souls to polls feet on the street get to

the pole those people could swing

Pennsylvania which is a toss-up right

now and Pennsylvania could swing the

entire election so just tactically

speaking whoever's in charge of his

campaign when they saw the teleprompter

by the way they knew what was going on

this was on a teleprompter on a risk

adjusted basis they should have said no

we're going to put the jokes about

Puerto Ricans aside for now because if

for whatever reason on a risk adjusted

basis we offend them we could lose the

entire election so I don't even think of

it as an argument around whether

comedians should be given a wide birth

or not I agree with you I don't I don't

think a conversation around whether it

reflects racism on the part of of the

Trump Administration or the fact that

they quite frankly have a really

appealing sense of humor one of the

things I hate about my party quite

frankly is we become [ __ ]

humorless everything's

offensive everything is I mean unless

it's a dad joke everything is offensive

or triggers people people people are

just so sick of that [ __ ] a post racist

Society I majority of my close friends

are gay and they constantly make fun of

my sexual orientation and I make fun of

theirs and it's a form of affection it's

not

mean-spirited and the Democratic party

feels just so sensitive and so weak on

this [ __ ] so whether you think that's

the right way to go to be a touch

offensive sometimes very offensive in

the hospices of Comm I'm down with that

tactically it was stupid and I believe

it might be the October surprise I'll be

very curious I have friends who are

campusing and I I want to be clear a lot

of this is confirmation bias I'm seeing

ghosts where I want to see them right

because I'm really hoping it's vice

president Harris but I have talked to

people in the Harris campaign we have

300,000 people feed on the street

walking people to the polls Trump

supposedly has 50,000 somewhere between

30 and 50,000 so for every one person

knocking on doors for a trump voter and

saying did you have you gone to the

polls do you need to walk there do you

need a ride there there's 10 people in

these states these swing States working

for Harris I think they might get

another five or 10,000 Puerto Ricans who

weren't going to vote to the polls and

that could swing the entire election I

just think tactically on a risk adjusted

basis it was a really stupid move yeah

100% on strategic tactical giving the

other side an opportunity to run ads

with the Trump little placard thing

there was someone insulting Puerto

Ricans most people wouldn't have seen

the rally so all they're going to see is

this clip hundreds of millions of people

are going to see that clip and they're

going to think Trump Vance insulting

Puerto Ricans that's who I am that's my

blood I can no longer with good faith

tick that box I can no longer do it so

they'll either not not tick it or

they'll go to the polls and they

otherwise wouldn't have done so

tactically and strategically terrible

decision but it's funny because I also

look at it as I said as an incident in

an isolation and I go it actually put me

off a little bit that

the left because of the fake outrage I

know you're not that pissed off yeah

yeah like

dare look at I'm get I know you're not

that pissed off at that like if you are

I feel really sorry for the life yeah

you know what me we're going to be fine

but strategically and objectively bad

decision I completely agree yeah um who

do you think is going to win well I tell

you I'll tell you what I'm doing this

afternoon I'm GNA bet

$358,000 on poly Market I'm I'm doing

this I have my CFO figure this out I'm

going to invest bet

$358,000 on Harris because on polym

Market it's

6238 because my observation is that the

people who go to these betting sites

tend to be younger tend to be more male

and they're much more Trump the

statistics and the polls every A+

quality poll shows it is a toss up

within the margin of error with a slight

advantage to Trump so if I said to you

Steve and

I'm going to flip a coin you have to

pick heads or tails if you bet a dollar

though you're going to get $2.90 back

you would take that bet because say it's

a 50% or close to 50% likelihood but the

payoff is 2.8 to one on a risk adjusted

basis you're getting free risk adjusted

return here's why I wouldn't bet on

Harris is because I've seen that Hillary

Clinton election where all the polls had

Hillary winning in a landslide and then

something happens there's this visible

force that means that people for

whatever reason either they don't

express their true um opinions about

Trump because there's you know social

ramifications they're embarrassed or the

the enthusiasm Force which is who have

you got more energy to get off the sofa

that day and go and vote for is it

Hillary Clinton who's kind of more of

the same whatever or is it Trump who's

going to burn it down I think that's a

fair point the so but back to the the

380 if I win I get a million bucks back

so even if the edges to him on a risk

adjusted basis it's a great bet because

you're

getting the the odds of her winning are

not one and three they might be they

might be two and five but they're not

one and three and so I just look at it

statistically that I'm getting free

potential free risk adjusted upside

anyways what you said about the

enthusiasm I went canvas for uh

secretary Clinton I think secretary

Clinton was like I I I think she's

incredibly unlikable and an out standing

thinker and politician I think on

foreign policy she's she's one of the

most competent people to have ever been

in government when I canvased for her in

Florida I went into sort of a i' call it

a lower upper middle class neighborhood

mixed quite a few black people quite a

few whites I go into black households I

knock on the door I'm canvasing for for

secretary Clinton oh come on in super

nice you voting yeah you voting for

secretary CL yes I am do you know where

your polling station is oh no we have M

are you registered you just started to

like it's the enthusiasm clear wasn't

there and a couple times when I would

knock on and again I'm playing identity

politics maybe a white more often a

white household that was a trump

supporter they slam the door in my face

and I said to the they always send you

out with two people I'm like that's

passion the other folks are being nice

to us they don't even know where their

polling stations are they're not turning

out like they were they weren't there's

not the enthusiasm there was for Obama

and I remember thinking we might be in

trouble here the the embarrassment or

hold my beer while I go behind a curtain

and vote for Trump effect I think that's

mostly gone away I don't think people

are nearly as embarrassed to say they're

trumpers now I don't so I think I think

the polls are probably there's less of a

Delta between the polls and what's

actually going on than I think than

there used to be uh but you know the

honest answer is I don't know the three

reasons or the reason Reas I think that

Harris is might pull it off or is going

to pull it off is one the issue

impacting women is bodily autonomy I do

think women are young women are squarely

in Harris's camp and quite frankly women

are more organized so you have a young

man and a young woman both planning to

vote there's a much greater likelihood

the woman actually votes this is sexist

but women are more organized they're

more meticulous they're better planners

they're better allocators of their time

you're going to have more men young men

on November the 5th for whatever reason

something's going to get in the way and

they're not going to make it to the

polls that's going to happen a lot more

to Young I mean you'll see this when

you're you have young men I have a 17 to

14-year-old young men are just dopes I'm

not even a dad I'm their prefrontal

cortex I'm helping them make decisions

and young men's prefrontal cortex

literally doesn't catch up to a woman's

until they're about 25 and then it

catches up so I'm banking on a much more

a much bigger turnout among young women

than young men and that's Advantage

Harris I do think the last minute thing

around Puerto Rico was really stupid in

Pennsylvania and also I'd like to think

some of this message around men being

protectors and the message that I think

the Democratic party has done a pretty

good job over the last couple weeks is

guys it's time for us to step

up um but again this is all confirmation

bias I'm looking for reasons why Harris

is going to win the majority of the

polls I see within the margin of error

but if you were a statistician and you

had to pick one you'd probably pick

Trump right now so do you think Trump's

going to win I don't I think Harris is

gonna win really you think haris yeah I

you know what I don't again I think when

people get behind the the curtain it's

like I think people are just

exhausted America is

so it's like if America were a horror

movie The call is coming from inside of

the house it we're doing really well on

the majority of dimensions that people

we're going to grow our economy next

year in terms of gross domestic product

by more than the rest of the world

combined and gross dollar level this is

all prefrontal cortex well can you name

a great AI company outside of the US

most dominant technology in history

created more shareholder value in the

last 24 months in the entire Auto

industry has done since the beginning of

the Auto industry what AI company exists

outside of the US this is all prenal CeX

though like and what's the amydala the

amigdala the emotional Cent of the brain

is seeing this guy in a suit get off a

plane with his name on it and it so it

doesn't really matter what you say when

you come on the podium I just saw a

billionaire got off a plane with his

name on it I go he's gonna help me get

rich that's what the brain the brain is

like and it's so interesting because as

a marketeer you know I've come to learn

over time that stories especially

emotional ones always Trump data facts

and stats in every regard I had I sat

here with a neuroscientist one day who

was talking about Trump and I think it

was Dr Ben Carlson and they were having

a debate during the I think the early

primaries maybe in 16 and they were

talking about the vaccine and the doctor

made his case for why the the vaccine

doesn't give you autism went through the

stats the facts and the figures and then

the neuroscientist said to me she goes

and then Trump made his case and he

started his case like this the needle I

got a friend who was has a daughter who

is this big and points to the floor and

they came to her with a needle this big

and they gave her the injection and

she's got autism yeah and the

neuroscientist said to me she goes I

know he's not telling the truth but even

me I felt less likely to give my

daughter that vaccine because of that

one emotional personal anecdote versus

the stats and this is what this election

looks like to me the stats don't matter

the facts don't matter how do I feel

what is the frame telling me when I look

at you also it it reflects uh a a lack

of respect for our

institutions both Republicans and

Democrats the antia movement actually

started on the far left it was sort of a

granola don't put weird things in your

bodies but I think as much as you're

talking about wanting to tickle people's

emotional sensors or they move they want

to feel good as opposed to think about

the data we used to come together around

data and we used to respect institutions

when the American Pediatric Association

said there's no evidence showing a

correlation between vaccines and you

know myocardia or whatever it is there's

no there's no we can't find a

correlation between vaccines and autism

the CD the American Pediatric

Association the American Health

Association the Journal of America jam

now people are like oh you can't trust

those folks because there's a lack of

respect and I do think the right's been

more responsible for for the left they

they go after institutions and so people

don't know who to trust and they trust

their social media algorithm now which

is feeds them really incendiary kind of

polarizing content but back to why I

think Harris ultimately is going to pull

it out I think people are exhausted

Stephen and

I think that Trump represents more chaos

and exhaustion right now do people I

don't know this but I'm hoping quite a

few swing voters are going to go do I

really want to go back to that do I

really I mean it was pretty people I

don't think people I wonder if people

are going to remember I like wish they

had those apple reels just how chaotic

and tense it was I mean think about

Biden that I the thing I love most about

Biden was he was pretty boring

boring you know I think people have

forgotten what it was like that covid

the the black lives matters protests

everything being smashed to Pieces the

US burning um and then the like whole

covid chaos and when I looked at the

stats ahead of our conversation today

about that asked people are is your life

better or worse than it was four years

ago most people think their life was

better then and they because they you

have this Ro Rose tinted sort of glasses

about the past it's why that question I

can't remember was it Reagan or one of

the politicians who was the pioneer of

that election shifting question which is

do you feel better off now than four

years ago it works every election cycle

because people almost always think they

were worse off four years um they were

better off four years ago than they are

today they all like always think you

could say that in any election cycle and

it's persuasive and you go you know

actually yeah even if you have more

money you're doing your health is better

your your education's better you'll

still look back at the past and go those

were the good old days I think it's just

a bias of humans you roast into glasses

you forget the bad well and also for in

America if you're under the age of 45

you've never experienced inflation and

when you look back and think wow a hotel

room at the Bly Hill Hotel you're going

to La is up is doubled in the last four

years and it has the seral I buy is up

30 or

40% again you get a raise you think it's

your grit and character the price of

cereal goes up you blame you blame the

government but I don't I mean I'm hoping

Harris wins and I'm finding reasons why

I think she will it's total confirmation

bias

what I also really hope happens is that

whoever wins I hope it's

decisive because political parties you

know in the 30s we had kind of the new

deal from Democrats 80s we had the

Republican Revolution people kind of

came together and

admitted this is where America wants to

go things the worst thing about you can

argue the worst thing the thing that's

ailing America is what's ailing the

Middle East there's never a definitive

winner there's never someone there's

never a party that they kind of I don't

want to say the best thing that could

happen because I I think one part's got

it wrong on things like bodily autonomy

and peaceful transfer power but we need

a party to kind of come in and win 55 or

60% of the vote so there's no arguing

over the direction America wants to go

right now because if it's really close

there's just going to be so much I mean

the amount of money that's being lined

up and the number of lawyers lined up to

contest the election on either side

right now is just crazy and one of the

things I love about about the UK you

guys start and finish an election in 8

weeks and it also kind of seems like

whatever this guy's name is people don't

like him but they don't hate them it's

sort of like okay it's over keep calm

and move along in the US it's it's

gotten so it's like we're so spoiled by

our blessings and our

prosperity uh the one algorithms have

taken us away from each other also and I

realize I'm paranoid but it doesn't mean

I'm wrong I I think the CCP in Russia

cannot beat us kinetically they cannot

beat us economically so they're

weaponizing social media platforms to

divide us from one another and I think

they're doing a really good job and

Americans are easier to fool than

convinced we've been fooled and I think

there are Bad actors foreign actors who

weaponized these platforms to quite

frankly start getting us to hate each

other the easiest way to defeat Native

Americans was to get them Waring with

each other and have them kill 30% of

each other and then come in for a

cleanup operation and I think that's

happening in the US right now if you go

on Tik Tok there's 52 pramas videos for

every one pro-israel video and I'm not

suggesting the CCP or the gru are

anti-semitic I'm suggesting they see an

opportunity to polarize people

internally in the US and get us hating

each other no one can defeat us right

now we are we are undefeatable from a a

military or an economic standpoint right

now the way to defeat us and deposition

us strategically internationally is to

get us hating each other and I think

they're doing a good job that's the most

convincing argument I've actually ever

heard for why China played a role in Tik

Tok and why also they don't care about

owning it is because they set up an

algorithm which is so unbelievably

brutal um we always from I come from a

social media background where we worked

in social media for 10 15 years now and

the one defining thing about this the

Tik Tok algorithm is if you post

something regardless of how many

followers you have it'll either get a

thousand views or 7 million it's the

only algorithm with such extreme

variance and what that tells you is that

the algorithm is basically saying okay

take that and show it to everybody and

actually that's not good to show it to

nobody and because it's doing that you

can imagine the amount of sort of

division where polarizing content on

this side is going to everyone Nuance

goes to No One Nuance like unemotional

Nu Nuance takes goes to no one and then

polarizing content on the left or the

right also goes to everyone so if I was

actually thinking about if I was

brainstorming in China and I wanted to

tear the West apart what I would do is I

would introduce an app that has an

extreme algorithm either way and I

wouldn't care about owning it I wouldn't

care about they can run it I'll give

them all the all the shares just get it

into their society while over there in

China we control our algorithm well we

don't and we don't allow foreign actors

anywhere near I'm going to list now

every American Media company in China

okay I'm done they just there's no way

they're going to let us over there and

yet we have a neural Jack implanted into

the wet matter of our youth it's more

dominant than CBS ABC and NBC were in

the 60s so would we allow would we have

allowed the Kremlin to own CBS NBC and

ABC that's what we're doing right now

with Tik Tok kids spend more time on Tik

Tok now under the age of 25 than they

spend on all broadcast

media uh combined this is also true of

meta and the primary fuel for that

algorithm what the algorithm tries to

sus out the thing that used to be the

ultimate gangster moving marketing used

to be sex sex sales show hot people

playing volleyball and people well if I

drink more beer I too will be hot right

if I have this car I'm more likely to

have a random sexual experience I would

really like to have more random sexual

experiences so I'll buy the new Chrysler

cardoba with original Corinthian Lether

right it used to be sex cells basically

meta figured out there's something

better than sex

rage so if you have a long hourlong

conversation with a epidemiologist it

says yeah we rolled out the polio

vaccine too quickly in the 50s and 60s

and a bunch of people died but generally

speaking vaccines uh are

probably have Pro probably prevented