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>> Thank you for being here. Really

appreciate it.

>> No, it's my pleasure.

>> And thank you to uh Brett Weinstein,

Jordan Peterson, and Elon Musk for

helping connect us. They

>> We are going to see Elon on Sunday. So,

he's been an incredible support for us.

So, I I don't know how you want to play

the I'm totally in your hands. I'll I'll

follow your lead. But I mean, he's been

helping us cuz Britain's in bad shape.

And uh

>> Yeah. And that's why you're here. And

this is what we're talking about. We're

talking

>> Well, the rape gang, we've we've done

this is a

>> crowdfunded this.

>> Okay.

>> Uh which I'm very happy to to talk to

you about, which I think

>> just this title of that rape gang

report. Yeah. the idea that there's rape

there's actual rape gangs in the UK in

2026 and it's is it being ignored? Is it

being downplayed? Like how is it being

received by the media and by the

politicians over there?

>> Well, the history of it is that

basically as you probably know uh

Britain after the war decided they were

going to play a part in Europe, a bigger

part in Europe. Well, our elite did, the

British elite. And to do that they had

to basically diminish the power of the

nation state and they had to head

towards this European superstate which

is is the EU. The genesis of which was

obviously in anomy.

>> Why did they have to diminish the power

of the nation to do that?

>> Because I think Britain was a proud

nation state. We we we with your with

the American help we'd won the war and

we hadn't been uh invaded or conquered

which most of Europe had been. So you'd

had mass uh dislocation in Europe. huge

numbers of people had been dislocated

and pushed all over all over Europe and

I think the socialists I was in the

European Parliament so I spent a brief

time as an MEP uh a member of the

European Parliament uh when we finally

achieved well a kind of Brexit we can

talk about that but it wasn't a proper

Brexit so I I I think the genesis of the

rape gangs going back to this was the

fact that multi-ulturalism

was the order of the day they wanted

open borders. They wanted a

multicultural society. They they they

basically felt the nation state had been

the cause of of world wars effectively

starting with Napoleon. Then obviously

we had uh the Kaiser then we had Hitler

and and and I think they saw it that way

the Mones, the Spinellis and the people

who constructed the European Union. So

to to to the rape gang report which was

your question ultimately that that the

genesis of that is this multicultural

invasion almost of of Europe.

>> Can I can I pause you for a second? So

what you think is that the multicultural

invasion the way the way it was set up

was on purpose and it was on purpose to

sort of diminish the idea of

nationalism.

>> Yes. I I think that that well I'm I'm

>> and so this was like a long plan. So

this was something that they must have

had to sit down and like who would be

involved in this sort of a discussion

where you would be willing to diminish

patriotism, diminish this idea that

Britain by itself is exceptional and the

people are exceptional.

>> It's a it was a long deceitful plan. So

I I always say

>> who implemented it.

>> The European elites in league with our

elite who effectively if you remember in

1975 we had what was we we joined what

was called the European economic

community. It wasn't uh effectively uh

anything other than an economic union.

But that that very quickly uh changed

and effectively they tried to

politically integrate Europe that failed

and then in 97 uh they tried to force it

through with the introduction of the

euro. So having failed politically they

tried to do it financially.

That was my first uh uh foray into

standing as a member of parliament to

fight to save the British pound because

once you lose your currency effectively

you lose your your sovereignty and your

national identity and our gold reserves

were going to be shipped out to Germany

to Frankfurt uh and we would have become

a vassal state part of the European

Union. It would have been irreversible.

But in the event we thanks to Sir James

Goldsmith, we secured enough votes. We

forced uh the establishment to promise a

referendum before they surrendered to

the to the euro and we ended up saving

the pound which in the end resulted in

the referendum in 2016 where the British

people voted to take back their

sovereignty which ultimately I think the

establishment always knew that the core

the body of Britain or body of England

in particular wanted its own accountable

parliament in Westminster. It didn't

want to be part of an unaccountable

European socialist protectionist

superstate.

>> So the quote unquote elites in in

Britain and the the elites United

States, this it's coordinated with both

of them. Is that

>> I think less so in America, Joe. I I I I

can't speak for America. Although when

you look at what the Democrats did uh

with US aid and all the stuff that was

going on uh under Joe Biden, you have to

wonder whether they began with the World

Economic Forum to play a part in this.

But I I think the post-war plan for

Europe was founded on a socialist

principle. Whereas I think America has

always been a a very sound uh uh

politically based structure based on

obviously uh you know the founding

fathers and your constitution which I

always think uh returns power to the

individual and has always understood

that the dangers are status dangers not

individual dangers. So I'm very much in

the camp I like the individual and a

minimal state and I and I think that's

much more in your DNA than it is in the

European DNA which which tends to be

more statist

>> right so they did this on purpose and

they brought in people from what country

specifically? Well, initially you got

you got in Britain uh you got people

from Africa, you got the Windrush uh

generation. So you got a lot of Africans

came uh ostensibly to fill jobs that

they always say the British people don't

want to do and it it gathered momentum.

Uh it was relatively slow to start with.

So you you you had an influx of people

coming to the UK. You had open borders

in Europe. So one of the the absolute uh

embedded rules they have is this freedom

of movement concept. So they don't have

effectively national borders. But we we

still obviously had the the the channel

but we embraced this and we started this

uh immigration.

What happened uh is it gradually

happened and I think these rape gangs

have been going on or we know they have

for 30 40 probably 50 years to a lesser

extent. But when Tony Blair got in and

he undermined a lot of constitutional

sort of historical law, uh you got an

acceleration of immigration uh from

other parts of the world, not not just

from Europe but also from other

countries uh South Asian countries in

particular who came uh to the UK. And

the genesis of the rape gangs really is

I think the cultural oil and water mix

of

uh these people coming from what I call

clanish societies in South Asia uh and

join coming to very high trust societies

such as the one we had and the one you

have here which have taken thousands of

years to develop. So they're high trust

societies where and you know Lee Kuanu

based Singapore on postwar Britain where

you could you had tr you had honesty

boxes for newspapers in London and you

had a country that was completely at

peace with itself. Uh so it won the war,

it respected peace, it respected freedom

and people were building rebuilding

their lives having fought a second world

war to to to free Europe from from from

sort of in this case Germany. Um

previously we'd done it at Waterloo when

we uh relieved Europe of of the French

with Napoleon. So it's it really

accelerated after 97 when uh a lot of

the legislation that Tony Blair and his

cohorts passed

uh such as the h human rights act which

embeds within it the ECR uh he created

the supreme court he they passed laws

like the equalities act and there are

raft of other legal acts they passed

which effectively

empowered a multicultural society uh

which in some ways I think damaged the

interests of of of the British people.

So,

>> and you think this is on purpose and

this is my point is what is the benefit

for them to be joined up with the rest

of Europe? Is it just purely financial?

Is it a powerbased strategy where if you

can diminish the quality of life for

people and institute more laws and put

more restrictions on them, you can

control them easier and it's less push

back for the politicians, less push back

for the people that are in charge.

basically yes I I think it's the age-old

battle between individualism and

collectivism. So so I I think the EU is

a collectivist construct whereas I think

Britain as it was under our constitution

our bill of rights which as you probably

know our bill of rights in 1689 a lot of

that was lifted to by your founding

fathers who who who embedded it within

the US constitution.

So, and that embeds freedom of speech.

It embeds the individual. It embeds all

of the all of the rights that I think

make the Anglo-Saxon world great. And

>> so, how did it deteriorate to the point

where they're arresting 12,000 people a

year for social media posts?

>> It's Joe, it's shocking. And this is why

I I have got involved in politics. I've

been involved in politics since I fought

the master treaty and then stood, as I

said, in 97. and I did a lot for

business for Sterling, a lot for vote

leave. Then I stood for the Brexit party

and I was elected there. So I've I've

been fighting this uh march towards an

unaccountable state which effectively

rewards collectivism and punishes

individualism

uh to the extent that now I find myself

at the age of 68 uh as an MP running a

party called Restore Britain to try and

reverse this tide to reempower the

individual to return to our original

constitution and to protect the

interests above all else of the of the

Brit British people to whom I think

government should be accountable.

>> Do they still have that kind of

unchecked immigration? Is it currently

ongoing?

>> We still have illegal migrants arriving

by boat. Uh they can't they can't be

under the current uh uh laws and

treaties that we're part of. They are

they're not being deported. The judges,

thanks to the creation of the Supreme

Court, uh they they are now a quango, a

woke quango. I think a lot of our

judiciary is corrupt. So the answer to

your question is we still have illegal

migration

and we have people living in Britain

illegally. We have a lot of foreign

prisons in our in our in our in our

prisons

and we have people who've come in under

various waves of immigration. one one of

which the biggest of which was probably

under Boris Johnson who was actually a

conservative prime minister who allowed

uh uh thousands hundreds of thousands of

people to come uh into Britain and uh

basically they are now a burden to the

British taxpayer so the answer to your

question is they're arriving illegally

still they're living here illegally or

living in Britain illegally still uh

we've got foreign criminals in our

prisons and we've got we've still got

the legacy of this huge amount of of of

immig immigration which took place

>> and are a large percentage of these

people receiving welfare from the

British government?

>> Yes.

>> What percentage?

>> Well, most of the people who who

arrival, they're all supported, Joe. I

mean, they're put in as soon as you get

there.

>> In parliament, I see the contracts

thanks to my parliamentary questions.

I'm allowed to ask questions and

scrutinize the contracts for, for

instance, the BB Stockholm was it was a

boat which cost the British taxpayer1

half billion pounds. uh it's actually

now lying redundant uh uh and not being

used. But I've seen the contracts for uh

these illegal migrants in terms of the

laundry services they get, in terms of

the taxi services they get, in terms of

the food they require. I mean literally

it is like uh uh it's like staying in a

very comfortable hotel. And we've now

got these people being settled all

across our country.

>> How many in hotels? Well, I don't think

the government knows, Joe, to answer

your question. I don't think they know

how many people are living in Britain

illegally.

>> Was the similar situation that America

had over the last four years where the

at on the low number, they think it was

10 million people came in, which is

insane. It's an insane amount of people

to come in in four years.

>> We we think there's enough work to do

initially to detain and deport people

who are arriving illegally. I mean, to

my mind, illegal means illegal. So it's

fairly straightforward

um to uh the people who are arriving

illegally, people living here illegally,

the foreign criminals, there's plenty of

work to do to remove them from Britain.

And then I think we need to turn our

attention and that's in our mass

deportation document. I've given you a

copy of that which effectively sets out

the constitutional reasons why we have a

problem, how we correct those

constitutional issues, and how we then

practically uh detain and deport uh the

people who aren't supposed to be here.

And once we've done that, we we will

then turn our attention to people who

are living in Britain, to your point,

who are on welfare, who are going to

cost the taxpayer a fortune for the rest

of their lives probably, who aren't

working, who are culturally different to

us, who have a different view of of of

of their religion to the Christian

religion, uh, and are increasingly

living in in in small groups of people

who haven't integrated, who are living

under Sharia law and and who have their

own courts and and who

>> they have their own courts.

>> They have their own courts, Sharia

courts. Yes. Parallel a parallel legal

system.

>> Okay. So, it's a unrecognized by the

British government. Parallel legal

system that exists inside of England.

>> It's tolerated.

>> Tolerated. So, it's they're aware of it.

>> Yes.

>> And they're aware of the punishments

that this court dishes out.

>> They It's rather like they're policing

their own people under their own laws

>> and they're just allowing that.

>> They're they're allowing that. Yeah.

>> Whoa.

Now, now I believe I don't know about

you, but I believe if you come to our

country, you should live under our laws.

>> Well, yeah. I mean, the idea of

well, the United States in particular is

a melting pot and you know, people come

from all over the place and it's one of

the cool things that there's all these

different cultures, but there's certain

cultures that if you allow them to come

into your community and then they

institute the laws of the country where

they came from, you're going to have a

real problem. like they don't live the

way you live. They don't have the same

respect for women that you have. They

don't treat them the same way. They

don't allow dogs. Like there's a lot of

like

>> stuff that a lot of people might not

even be aware that come with that

problem. It's like the idea is supposed

to be that western society is inclusive

and progressive because we're

intelligent and educated and we care.

But you you can care so much that you

let in criminals and then you give those

criminals all your money and then the

criminals can take over your country

slowly but surely. So and this is the no

one thinks that's a possible thing. No

people look at the coliseum, you look at

ancient Greece and they they think,

"Wow, I wonder what happened to those

guys." What do you think happened?

Probably the same [ __ ] that's happening

right now to England. The same [ __ ] that

could have happened to America. It's

civilizations fall apart for various

reasons. And uh one great way to get

them to fall apart is to bring in a

bunch of people and they don't have to

follow your laws and they bring the laws

of, you know, wherever they're from,

whatever whatever fundamentalist

religion country they're from where they

have a bunch of crazy laws that are kind

of archaic.

>> Well, this is Sharia law, Islamic law,

as you probably know. I mean again to

your point uh I I think the best example

uh I can I can give people of what

happens if you do that is is is when

Lebanon got its got its independence in

in 1948.

Uh they were Christian country and they

were a very confident country. They they

were you know they had the best

universities. They had a very open

society. I never went to Beirut. I don't

know if you you went to Beirut, but

Beirut in the 60s was meant to be the

best place on earth to be. Great wine,

uh, freedom, uh, very very enlightened.

Uh, it was a great lots of people uh,

uh, were there. The minute that the

Muslim population went over about 15%,

you started to get a problem with a

civil war. You got the Drews and

Marinite Christians in a in in a in a

civil war with with the Muslims. Uh and

now Lebanon is is is a Muslim country.

Uh uh and Hezbollah backed by Iran is

effectively running the show. So So to

your point, I couldn't agree more. And

the rape gang report which I which which

is which we've written was crowdfunded

by 20,000 concerned English people who

who uh we we raised not a huge amount of

money. We raised about £600,000

in varying quantities. people gave and

we did it because the government will

not have a statute of inquiry. So our

government and particularly the Labor

Party have been presiding over this

because it goes to the Muslim block

vote. So we have in in the UK a system

of postal voting

and in a lot of the inner cities and the

places where these Islamic populations

live, they are or have historically

voted labor. That's beginning to change.

they're beginning to vote for Muslim

independence now and I sit with some of

them at the back of parliament.

So, so effectively this this inquiry we

did, we set out with a completely

unbiased uh view of what we would find

and we did it because we were pushing

the government to have a statutory

inquiry and I I I a lot of the reason

I'm got involved in it was I I I I think

it was Elon Musk who triggered he he he

talked about it because a lot of people

in the UK I don't think know the extent

to which this has been happening and and

and and the length of time it's been

happening for.

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>> Why is that? What is that a failure of

your media? Is it a failure of the

politicians? Like why why don't people

know about this?

>> It's a total failure failure of the

media because the media are supposed to

be an independent body that holds to

account uh failures of of the state. And

it's basically because this block vote

uh through the postal voting system

which needs to be changed uh is

effectively or has been uh keeping lab

the Labor party in in power. So they've

put power ahead of principle and in the

report we cover this. We've covered the

reasons why it's so serious and and to

your point, we even cover, as you quite

rightly say, the fact that uh dogs are

are not liked by by by by the Islamic

faith largely because Muhammad liked

cats. He didn't like dogs. And and and

we we what we wanted to do was interview

victims, which we did. We did it

properly. It took us over a year. We had

a a rape gang victim, Sammy Woodhouse,

who who who led it. she's got a child by

her rapist.

Uh, and we had a team of people and we

literally produced the witness bundles

and we and we listened to uh, the

witnesses and then we had a two-week

hearing in London where people gave

evidence and we had a a proper uh,

barrista who effectively presided over

it and then help helped us write the

report. It's effectively Graeme Smith's

the barristister did a fantastic job.

And we didn't start out with any

preconceived ideas. It started because

we read some court transcripts of some

of the people who've been found guilty

of of this, which the government, by the

way, has tried to keep quiet. Some of

the historical uh uh court transcripts

disappear.

So, uh we've been calling for these

transcripts to be kept. Now, we've

actually uh tried to make a noise about

that. And the more we read this and the

more we carried on with the rape gang uh

inquiry, the more it became clear to us

that obviously there's a link between

this this power and and the the abuse

and and and and grooming and and and if

you like damage that was done to white

working-class English girls and it does

go and and in the report we've we've

looked at the reasons why to your point

there is a cultural difference of opin

opinion between an open high trust

Christian view of women particularly and

and the Islamic view of women which is

all in the report. So for instance the

as you probably know if a woman accuses

uh somebody of rape and a lot of these

Muslims come from Pakistan Joe that

they're predominantly Pakistan and

they're predominantly from one part of

Pakistan called Meipur and there are

some from Bangladesh there are some from

Somalia there are some from Eratraa that

that there are other other Muslim

countries that that perpetrate some of

this and of course there are white

people who perpetrate rape as well but

nothing on the scale of this. This is

this is quite horrific. And our report

has effectively uncovered this. I think

we've played a part with this report in

the government saying that they're going

to have now a statutory inquiry because

we didn't have any statutory powers to

be able to uh force people to appear at

our hearing. They all appeared

voluntarily. The government can actually

force people legally to appear. They can

actually uh uh make it a legal

requirement that people attend. we we

couldn't do that.

But there had been reports in the past

uh there was the Jay report in in in in

2014 and there's been the Casey report

all of which confirmed that this was

happening and the state still continued

to try and pretend it was just happening

in a small number of siloed areas uh

where where you obviously had a high

Islamic population.

the state has equally failed to collect

data on the crimes that are perpetrated.

So the ethnicity of of the people who

are perpetrating the crimes and from

there you can extrapolate once you've

got the data as to whether or not you've

got an extraordinary problem in one

particular section of society. and and

again using my parliamentary questions

I've been forcing uh uh as much

disclosure as I can get and this is how

we've discovered that a lot of the data

that should be being collected by the

police particularly by the national

health service by social services a lot

of the data has not been properly

collected possibly because the state

does I think know that this is happening

but they don't want to admit that their

multicultural experiment which as you

probably know famously Enoch Powell

warned would fail uh with his speech,

the the rivers of blood speech for which

he was heavily criticized. So I I think

they do know, but they don't want to

admit it. They don't want to be called

racist. Uh they don't want to and this

has permeated the whole of British

society since Tony Blair. People are

frightened to be accused of effectively

being biased and white. And we're taught

about things, you probably I don't know

whether you have it here, unconscious

bias and and all of the other sort of

what I call woke woke DEI driven uh

rubbish which which has permeated

Britain in the same way I think it may

have originally come from from you guys.

But it's

>> it's it's certainly had a huge effect on

us.

>> I think it had a great grip on us for a

few years and it's lessened its hold

>> well thanks to the Donald. Yeah.

>> Yeah. that helped a lot and I think a

big part of it was Elon buying Twitter.

>> Yeah.

>> Where you got legitimate free speech and

which is again back to this 12,000

people getting arrested uh each year for

social media post recently. Like that is

>> how is that tolerated? I just don't

understand how people aren't I I was

about to say up in arms, but that's also

part of the problem is that no one's

armed over there.

>> We we we are we well I have actually got

some guns, Jose, cuz I I have a farm. So

when you come to the UK, I hope you'll

come and shoot some feeasants with me.

>> Oh.

>> Uh but um

>> but if you don't have a farm,

>> uh well, if you don't have a farm, you

you'll find it very difficult to get a

gun of any kind and even if you have a

farm. So, uh, Reform tried to

politically assassinate me, uh, uh, in

in in in 25, early 25, and made false

accusations about me threatening to hit

one of the Z Y Yousef in a meeting, and

somebody was saying, I went around

Parliament saying I was a very good shot

and I was going to shoot Zia Ysef. I

mean, as if, if you believe that, I'm

I'm I've got a completely clean record.

I employ lots of people. I have lots of

businesses and I've never had an issue.

But listen, for armed police turned up,

took all my guns away. I mean, and I'm a

member of parliament. I said to them,

"Guys, you could have just called me up

and we could have talked about it, but

no."

>> Wow.

>> They turned up

>> just from an accusation.

>> 9:30 at night, left at4 to 12. We got

them on the cameras, took all my guns,

all my ammo, and it took me five or 6

months to get them get get them all

back. But but look, so they don't want

the public uh to have guns. Uh and they

are doing their very best to damage the

shooters uh who perfectly legitimately

like to go and shoot clay pigeons uh who

like to go and shoot game who like to go

and hunt. Uh effectively they're trying

to make that very difficult through the

the licensing laws for guns. As you

probably know they banned handguns uh

>> the '90s right

>> in the late 90s because there was a

murder up in

>> Dumb Blaine.

>> One murder.

>> One murder. So, so everybody, my father

used to shoot pistols for Oxford

University and he had he's dead now,

bless him. But he had all his pistols

were taken away. The gun the pistols he

used to shoot with at Oxford University.

I mean I mean we now have a society

which needs radical change and and we

need to release the individual. And to

your point on social media posts, there

was a a lovely lady, Lucy Connley, uh

who was locked up for something for 32

months for just a very uh emotional uh

social media post which she deleted

after 4 hours about the Southport

killings where where this chap Axel

Rutabana

uh went and knifed three young girls and

killed them. uh despite the fact that

the British state through prevent was

aware of this uh and we've had a similar

case recently with Henry Novak where

again uh uh um it was actually I think

on this occasion of seek uh stabbed him

and the police despite the fact when

they arrived at the the scene he told

them he'd been stabbed the police didn't

believe him and they tried to handcuff

him uh and as a result of that it's

arguable that they opened up the wound

the stab wound and he drowned found in

his own blood. Meanwhile, his murderer

was never handcuffed.

So, this is this is where the British

state's gone completely wrong. So,

instead of uh one law for everybody and

one policing for everybody, this this

sort of view that the the white

population is racist, which I don't

personally believe them to be, I think

Britain is is a very tolerant country.

Do you think that this perspective

um that society sort of adopted in the

UK about white people being bad, do you

think this was

ar there was architecture to it? This

was by design that this was done or is

this just a a natural response to people

being called racist? Because was there

of course in the past there was more

racism than there is today and people

always want to point to that racism as

you know evidence of colonialism,

evidence of what whatever it is that

happened in days past. But why why in

England do you think that narrative took

hold so well?

>> Because I think Joe to your point that

this post-war plan for multiculturalism

I I think they realized that they was by

design.

>> They've got a problem. So part of it was

probably infiltrating the universities

and promoting these kind of ideas.

>> It's almost as if uh uh with the World

Economic Forum there's this view that

the Anglo-Saxon nations have commanded

and dominated too much of the world's

resources. And there's almost like this

misguided altruistic view that that we

should become uh more concerned with

global welfare rather than the welfare

of our own citizens, which I totally

disagree with.

>> Well, there's also the you will own

nothing and you will be happy.

>> This is this is your Claus Schwab uh uh

>> which is hilarious. Someone would even

say that out loud.

>> I know.

>> You own nothing and you will be happy.

Like is this a part of an Orwell book?

cuz this doesn't seem like a real person

would say something like that cuz who

the [ __ ] is going to listen to that? It

doesn't make any sense.

>> Well, George was being rather accurate

in time.

>> He's dead on. He was actually pretty

optimistic. Like his view, his version

of the world was uh, you know, a little

bit more palatable than what we're

dealing with right now.

>> Interesting man, oldian. Uh, fought in

the Spanish Civil War. I mean, he was a

he was a very quirky Englishman who

clearly had a hugely precient foresight.

And I think probably like certainly like

me,

>> he had a healthy uh disrespect for what

I call collectivist statism. And he was

a very much an individual and and uh a

believer in the individual.

>> It's it's it's really interesting

because when I first read that book was

in high school and I kept thinking like

what a crazy this would never happen.

This is not even possible. But what a

crazy world this guy's created in his

imagination. Yeah.

>> Of things going completely haywire. And

then you realize as time goes on, oh

that's totally possible. It's totally

possible that things can get that

ridiculous. I mean, when you're dealing

with, you know, male, biologically male

athletes that compete against women

because they identify as a woman and use

women's locker rooms. All the craziness

that we deal with today, the open border

situation, no one's illegal on stolen

land. Hey, [ __ ] off. Like, what are we

what are we doing? Like, what is this?

Well, it's almost as if we're if we're

subverting all the things that made us

great.

>> Yeah. And you know, there's nothing

wrong with immigration, but there is

it's probably a good idea to make sure

no someone's not a [ __ ] murderer

before you let them in. Like the idea

that there should be no border at all is

like if the world was perfect, that

sounds wonderful. If the world was

perfect and everybody paid their taxes

and everybody followed the laws, why

have borders? Clearly, it's not perfect.

you know, go to go to Pakistan, go to

Karachi, go go hang out, go go down the

street as a woman in a miniskirt and see

how that works out. Go to some place.

>> Again, Joe, this is this is you're quite

right. This is I mean Pakistan is is I

think the example example of a rogue

state basically. And and

>> I I I think their view of as you say

women who dress uh in ways other than uh

the ways of Sharia, i.e. totally

covered.

>> Yes. And again, it's all in uh various

of the hadiths which which which we

quote in in the rape gang report. They

are considered to be meat. And and this

is this is something I've never

understood. How do you square this

circle of this sort of clanish uh

backward-looking culture which comes to

a highly open uh high trust society and

then embeds itself within that society

and undermines everything that we've

achieved over over a thousand years.

>> Acknowledging that is somehow another

racist. Acknowledging that some cultures

are superior is somehow another racist.

just by by just understanding human

rights, understanding the rights of

individuals to be free to not be

subjected to other people's archaic

laws. And this is look these a lot of

cultures in this world live as people

lived thousands of years ago. No one in

the United States wants to live as

people lived thousands of years ago. No

one. And this is not a racist thing.

Like you should be able to come over

here and practice whatever religion you

want. But if your religion has rules

that violate the laws that we've all

agreed are just and fair, then that

you're not integrating and you're and if

you take over a whole town and now that

town is subject to these archaic laws,

we've got a problem. And if you let that

problem get bigger and bigger, they take

over the country. And that's that's an

actual possibility for certain

countries. And we we have to recognize

that civilization is not as sturdy as we

like to think it is. It's kind of kind

of flimsy in a lot of ways. A few bad

things can happen and things can go

sideways quite quickly.

>> Well, I think liberty is very fragile,

isn't it? Ultimately, if you don't

protect liberty, you lose it. It was

Margaret Thatcher who was very strong on

this.

>> And you have to have laws.

>> You have to have laws and you have But

what you also have to have is everyone

should be equal under the law.

>> Yes. And to your point, I couldn't agree

more. I mean, Britain used to be a very

tolerant society. So, for instance,

Europe was very anti-semitic. Britain

was never anti-Semitic. We used to

welcome a lot of uh uh Jews and

Protestants from Europe who were being

persecuted, particularly in France with

the Protestants. So, we were a very

tolerant society, but the people who

came integrated and they contributed.

And that is the essence I think of

sensible immigration. So it should be

limited, targeted and it should be only

people who accept your religion and your

culture and your

>> What do you do though if someone comes

over here and then they they're not

violating laws? They're not violating

any laws. They achieve citizenship, but

then they start bringing over more and

more people and then start instituting

Sharia law. What do you do? Do you

deport them all? Like how do you like

this idea of having all these people

recognizing how many people got in

illegally, deporting them, mass

deportations, deportating deporting

criminals? It all sounds great until you

talk about actually implementing it.

Like how do you do that? How are you

doing that? Are you going to knock on

people's doors and pull them out of

their homes and ship them back to where

they came from? Like how do you do that?

I think the first thing you do is you

you you stop them coming across

>> how many

>> they shouldn't be coming anywhere under

international law because they're

traveling over across safe countries. So

they shouldn't be coming.

>> What's the estimate of the amount of

illegal immigration that you have in

Britain?

>> It's almost impossible to say how many

people are living there illegally or

living with us illegally. But in our

paper, I mean, we we think it's sort of

1.8 to to 2 million people probably. Uh

that's our estimate. But people

arriving, we know how many are arriving.

There's there's a lot arriving every

day, particularly when the when the the

the the sea is calm.

>> How many arrive every day?

>> They're coming. Well, it can vary. I

mean, you can get a thousand in a day.

You can get if the sea's rough, you get

you get none because obviously they

suffer if if they try and cross in in

little overcrowded dingies that they

can't get across. But we're paying the

French over half a billion pounds a year

to try and stop it. Uh uh that I think

is is not happening. Uh and as a result

of that, you know, our border border

patrol uh picks them up, gives them

bottles of water, brings them in and and

settles them in in hotels and and and

pays them well pays them welfare. They

become and then they then they then they

apply for residency and they say they're

asylum seekers. I I argue most of them

are economic migrants, but you know, our

our woke culture is is not protecting

the interests of the British people. And

it's also a massive incentive. If you

live in a terribly poor country and you

can just get to England and then

instantaneously you will get money and

housing.

>> That's right.

>> Why would you not do that?

>> Well, not only that, you go to the top

of the waiting list for dental

treatment, which which British people

don't get. The NHS go to the top of the

waiting list.

>> Wait a minute. They get they get access

to dental treatment that the British

people don't get.

>> Correct. Correct.

>> Why Why do immigrants get access to it?

Well, this Joe is the mystery of of what

our uh leaders I don't know what they

think they're doing, but they have this

misguided view that these people are

actually they call them asylum seekers.

They say they need to be looked after

and protected, uh they're not. They're

economic migrants. And to your point, if

you if they know there's there's welfare

when they reach Britain, they'll travel

across multiple safe countries to get to

the welfare, the free housing,

>> Yeah. of course.

>> And all the other stuff. So, and then uh

unless you uh deal with issues like the

rape gangs and you force them to adhere

to UK law and respect our our laws, our

culture and our religion, they gradually

uh set up their own uh uh uh cultures

and with their own laws as I said and

and there are large trackcts of the

country now where uh we've got these

Islamic settlements which which

effectively operate uh almost as a sort

of parallel society.

I I don't know whether it's quite the

same here, whether you've got the

similar thing with the Somalies in in

Minnesota. I I

>> you do in Dearbornne, Michigan.

Dearbornne, Michigan just had a gigantic

Islamic parade where you just see tens

of thousands of people holding flags and

walking on the street and

>> yeah,

>> it's kind of crazy. It's crazy. And

they've also one of the things that's

funny about Dearbornne is uh all the

progressives, it's very liberal place.

They're like, "Welcome, welcome.

Everyone's welcome for all cultures."

And as soon as they got into power, they

banned the pride flag.

That was the first thing they did.

>> Well, I'm I'm afraid they they they they

have quite strong views on on on on that

sort of thing.

>> Oh, yeah. That's why Yeah. queers for

Palestine is always hilarious. Like, and

then you see the meme Palestine for

queers and it's throwing people off

roofs.

>> It's like the champ who runs our Green

Party uh uh is a a gay Jew. So, I mean,

he, you know, again, he's going to have

a problem uh if these guys get anywhere

near power, but uh that doesn't seem to

put the progressives off. They still

seem to be,

>> but this is what's crazy is that their

society is complete, like Islamic

society is completely patriarchal. Um

the women are absolutely secondass

citizens. They're they have completely

different laws for how the women can

dress. What happens to the woman if

someone has sex with if someone has

first of all if they commit adultery

they could be killed

>> stoned to death to death. Yeah. And I I

w

>> it's watch a horrible video where a

father did it to his daughter.

>> Yes. Well you you you you do get these

killings.

>> Honor killings. Honor

>> killings. Yeah. Or brothers. The brother

will kill the daughter if the daughter

shamed the family. It's like hey guys

how are you progressive when you're

supporting this? And it's because the

concept of not being racist, not being

called racist, the fear of that is so

strong. They're they're willing to adopt

all sorts of things that are the

complete antithesis of everything they

believe in.

>> Well, in the UK, I don't know if you

have it here, but the Me Too movement,

it always

it it fascinates me that they never seem

to say anything about these what I call

clanish tribal cultures who have a

completely different view of women. And

and to your point, you know, again in

our report, uh a woman, if she accuses

in Pakistan a man of rape,

uh she has to have four male witnesses

who actually have to witness and swear

that they've seen her being penetrated

by the rapist. And you've actually got

women in prison because if she can't

prove that she's been raped under those

rules, then she can be sent to prison.

And there are many women languishing in

Pakistani prisons for that very reason.

And this is the sort of extraordinary

cultural oil and water which just

doesn't mix. It's also the mental

gymnastics that you have to have to

accept that as a part of Britain and

because you're progressive is really

crazy. It just shows how these

ideologies, these cultlike ideologies

can completely defy logic, completely

defy common sense, and just you have a

set of rules that you're supposed to

adhere to. You if you deviate from those

rules, you're a racist. You don't want

to be a racist, right? Then everyone's

welcome.

as you say, it's it's honor killings.

It's tribal. It's your first loyalty is

to your your tribe and your family,

>> not to your host country who's who's

actually got their own laws. Uh there

are all sorts of uh uh hadith rulings

which they can uh they can use to

justify it. I mean, for instance, if

they rape a a white girl, that doesn't

count in their in their view of life as

adultery.

So, they are effectively uh taught that

a girl who doesn't dress as they would

dress is is meat to be abused. And and

they have these they have these uh

extraordinary sort of cultural views.

you you see

>> that are completely incompatible in my

view with a with a with a society like

ours where you know we are a matriarchal

society which respects women I think we

have grown to respect women obviously

they had they've now got an omnipotent

position within our society certainly in

the UK I'm sure it's true here too and

quite right they they play a part in our

society they're very very important part

of everything but again uh uh under you

know the the the the Islamic code. I

think that the Muslims are frightened of

of female sexuality. It's it's all it's

all there. And as you know, you get FGM

female uh genital mutilation. So uh

these these cultures I think Joe and to

your point are just incompatible unless

you have a very strong uh government

which basically protects its electorate

from any subversive behavior which is

not compatible with our values.

>> You keep using the term meat. Is that

how they actually refer to it as?

>> That's that's that's what that's how

they consider it. Yeah.

>> What do they say? like how how are they?

That's it's in it's in our report that

that's uh that there was actually I

think it was I think it was

>> is it a translation of

>> I think Thomas Jefferson actually it's

in our report asked the Barbaru

pirates about about the way in which

they treated their their slaves and

their women that was particularly sla

slaves they just also slavery is is is

is accepted within within uh Islamic

countries so so I think they have their

own codes they have their own terms of

reference And there is a quote in there.

I I I'd have to look at the report to to

give it to you, but where one of them

does liken

uh uh white girls not dressing as as

Muslim girls dress and he does liken it

to meat

>> Jesus.

>> And and and and you know that that is an

analogy he used. So I mean yeah I think

I think that's what they think. this.

So, this rape gang inquiry report that

you have just released, the the number I

want you to say it because it sounds so

crazy. If I say it, people it's it's

going to sound wrong. What the number of

people that were victims, the estimate?

>> Well, we've estimated that a minimum of

a quarter of a million uh uh rapes have

taken place. It's it's it's probably

much much more Joe

>> because because because we've published

in here I think it's a list of 147

>> parts of the UK where this is happening.

Now the government tries to tell you

it's happening in Rodale you know one or

two Bradford one or two centers and

that's why their statutory inquiry the

terms of reference of that have now been

downgraded so they make it look as if

it's not a systemic problem but just a a

little local problem which it isn't. So,

we've we've listed here and they're all

in here the places where we know it's

happening from our rape gang inquiry.

But every every time we publish this,

Joe, I I get people emailing us or

sending us messages on social media to

say, "What about Red Ruth in Cornwall?

What about it's happening here, it's

happening here, it's happening here."

So, I I think it's incredibly widespread

and and there's, you know, other people

who've corroborated that quarter of a

million figure. That's an incredibly

conservative figure. You can't be exact

because the state is not collecting the

data which they should be doing and

we've been lobbying in parliament to

make sure that the state's collection of

the data improves and then we can

actually see the extent of the problem

and you can actually pinpoint it uh in

the same way that we've done it in this

report. So, so this is I think it's

linked to organized crime. I think it's

linked to the drug trade. Uh I'm I'm

pretty sure it's linked to the drug

trade and and obviously it's linked to

prostitution. So So as usual with an

evil like this and you've got girls who

are transported round in the back of

pickups uh uh uh and and and in cages uh

and and at our rape gang inquiry, we had

examples of girls who were raped by dogs

uh and filmed uh either anally raped or

or or vaginally raped. uh and literally

watched, filmed, and and a lot of it's

about servitude and about, you know,

there's other stories in here about

women having to lick the face the feet

of their of their rapists. It it's it's

about power. It's about servitude. And

it's about the fact that Muslim men are

taught to believe that they are superior

not only to women, but they're superior

to people like yourself and myself who

are considered to be uh uh uh uh if you

like the the infidels and and their job

is to effectively spread uh uh Islam uh

and effectively punish the infidel And

and as you probably know in the

Crusades, if you lost to Saladin and you

were a Knights Templar, a crusader, you

you had two choices. You either

converted to Islam or they killed you.

And and in in the in the case of a lot

of these girls, a lot of them were made

pregnant. They were they were

impregnated and and they then had to

convert to Islam.

uh some of them were trafficked to Saudi

Arabia uh uh Pakistan, other parts of

the world. So look, I mean this this is

a massive national scandal and and I I'm

hoping now I'm an MP. We've written this

report and this should stimulate debate.

I we sent a copy of this on a PDF to

every MP and we're going to send this

printed copy to to all of them as well

because everybody in power should look

at this and they should start to correct

it immediately.

>> You you you use the term the term is

used rape gang. Why why are you saying

gang and this is an organized practice?

>> Yes. Yes.

>> It's not it's not as simple as Islamic

men are raping poor white girls. It's

that they go out in gangs specifically

for this purpose.

>> They these are properly organized gangs

who are grooming and abusing young girls

as young as 10 or 11 and then literally

trafficking them around the country. We

know that from from from the testimonies

we've had. So originally when I went

into parliament I was I was late elected

late. So I was elected in in July 24.

Uh so at the tender age of 67. So I so I

I we we heard them being referred to as

Asian grooming gangs which I think is a

misnomer because it's unfair on for

instance the Japanese or other other

other Asian cultures who don't do this.

>> So when we

thanks to Elon Musk we actually did and

and as you're quite right thanks to him

giving us a free speech platform and and

Facebook's thankfully followed as well.

So he's led the charge through his

purchase of of of what was Twitter. So

when I got into I gave a speech in

parliament uh where I didn't I said

they're not Asian grooming gangs. I'm

going to call them what they are.

They're Pakistani Muslim rape gangs. So

I said this in parliament. So uh Jamie

will be drag it up if if he goes on to

the you know because everything goes

into Hansard. Uh and I gave this speech

and it caused shock in in in in the

House of Commons. Now look, I'm I'm not

the smartest kid on the block, but what

I do in parliament is I tell the truth.

So, you know, I'm only interested in

telling the truth and getting to the

truth and changing the way in which we

govern. That's what I've gone into

parliament for. You know, I I haven't

gone into this. I give my parliamentary

salary to charity. You know, I'm a

reasonably successful uh person who's

lived his life. I' I've been chairman of

a football club. I don't know if you're

interested in Premier League football,

but I was chairman of Southampton. So, I

built the stadium for Southampton. I

used to play competitive hockey. Uh and

I and I built up the youth academy in

Southampton. You I loved the best day of

my life was when we got to the cup final

in 2003. We lost one nil to Arsenal. But

it was the most amazing experience for

everybody. So look, I I'm not doing this

because I I I want necessarily to be

doing it. I'm doing because somebody's

got to do it. And if we're going to

change Britain, we've got to get the

public to buy into what we're doing. And

as I say, I'm not a classic politician.

And I'm not saying you've got to vote

for me. I'm saying that we've got to

change Britain by 29 or I think the

country from what I can see is in

terminal decline. So I sit on the public

accounts committee. I see the waste. I

see the unaccountability. I see the way

in which the civil service does not

serve the people which is supposed to

serve. I see our debt rising to nearly

100% of GDP. I see massive uh uh

misallocation of procurement on our on

our weapons. I see fraud in the

judiciary. I see all the things that

>> Sounds like you're talking about

America.

>> Well, I'm talking about I'm talking

about Britain a moment, Joe. But

>> seems like it's a widespread problem.

>> Well, I actually I actually think

America uh under Joe Biden probably was

was as bad as that. And if you look at

what you know Elon and the boys

uncovered with with with US aid and and

and all of all the misallocation of

taxpayer funds all over the world, a lot

of it to England, some of it came to

woke woke causes in England.

>> Mhm. So look, whoever the architects of

this are, whether it's the World

Economic Forum, whoever they are,

whether it's the Bilderbergers, whether

it's the Council on Foreign Relations,

whether it's whatever malign influence

is trying to do this, we we have to

collectively try and reverse it. So I'm

I'm saying to people, if you want, I

will do my damnedest to reverse it. You

know, I've run multiple businesses. Uh,

I was in the city of London for 20

years, so I know about finance, and I

will commit to doing whatever I can to

reverse this for the British people. But

they've got they've got to buy into it,

Joe. They've got to buy into it.

>> Are there people that are in denial that

this is happening, that this rape gang

problem is real?

>> Oh, without a shadow of a doubt. Labor

>> and what what do they say?

>> Well, Labour just tries to look the

other way.

>> But when confronted, when confronted by

the numbers, what is their response?

Well, we've been demanding a statutory

inquiry. Uh, and in the end, we

crowdfunded this,

>> right? What is their response to that?

>> Well, their response to this has been

pretty muted to be frank. I mean, the

BBC haven't covered it at all.

>> Really,

>> a national monopolistic broadcaster paid

for by a compulsory fee have not covered

this as a as a matter of public

interest. nor of Sky uh nor of nor

properly of the Daily Telegraph. GB news

have covered a tiny Patrick Christ

covered one evening of it. Now this this

is a massive national scandal that

deserves complete a complete and utter

airing.

>> How does the BBC justify not discussing

this?

>> Well, the BBC BBC is part of our

problem, Joe. So to to your point about

you know the Democrats the BBC is a

deeply malign organization. So it was

set up uh to inform, educate and

entertain. And it was set up by a man

called Rereath in in and and Rereath was

a highly principled man. And I think at

the time it was set up in in in the 20s,

it was it probably uh did have a role.

But in the digital age where most of the

young people no longer watch

uh uh their news on the BBC, they get

their news from whatever their favorite

news channel is. whether it's Breitbart

or to whoever whoever they go and get it

from, they get it from somewhere else.

But if you want to watch sport or you

want to, you know, basically have your

TV, you have to pay the TV license.

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There's still an problem that I'm sure

exists in England just as exists in

America. There's a certain subset of our

society, a large percentage of our

society, particularly older people, that

things are not legitimate unless they're

discussed in corporate media and that if

it's not in the New York Times, if it's

not on CNN, if it's not, you know, fill

in the blank, then it can't be

completely legitimate. It has to be a

fringe thing. It has to be a conspiracy

thing. They still need these what these

sort of legacy establishments to give

them the news because that has been the

way they grew up. That has been how they

were trained and in their mind they

don't understand the internet

completely. They don't go on Twitter and

so all that stuff to them is just it's

just too fringe.

>> So that that's always going to be a

problem. And if someone like the BBC

doesn't cover this stuff, it for a lot

of people that are woefully ignorant,

they can still kind of claim that

ignorance and dismiss it because the BBC

isn't covering it.

>> That's exactly right. I mean, that's a

that's a very good summary because the

BBC historically was totally trusted and

and their news bulletins were designed,

as I say, to be impartial completely.

and and being a public sector

broadcaster, their job was to cover

matters like this and and create debate.

But as we know uh monopolies go bad. I

mean monopolies in my view are generally

a bad thing particularly in the digital

age where you know thanks to Elon Musk

and and and what he did with with X I I

think he has released uh free speech. I

think he has uh uh returned some sort of

semblance of of of people's ability to

be able to force debate without being

bullied by a monopoly like the BBC.

>> So, so if I ever get near power, I will

responsibly defund the BBC is one of the

first things I do. I think the BBC is is

dripping poison into the veins of

Britain every day.

>> What other examples of what the BBC is

doing you think is dripping poison?

Well, I think a lot of their coverage is

is is not objective. It's woke. I mean,

they're into all this DEI. They're into

uh uh obviously the LGBTQ plus. They're

into all of the all of the things which

I think we as we said earlier probably

came from this uh Democrat period, but

it's been happening for a long time. I I

think if you look at the Labour Party,

again, I don't know if you've ever heard

of the Fabian Society.

>> No. So the Fabian Society is uh was set

up in the in in the 1880s and it it was

basically most of the Labour front bench

and most of the Labour party are members

of the Fabian Society. So the Fabian

Society, George Bernard Shaw was a

member of the FA Fabian Society. You

you'll have heard of George Bernard

Shaw. So he it's the most extraordinary

organization that their emblem is a wolf

in sheep's clothing.

>> As if as if as if that doesn't tell you

what they're doing.

>> That's their emblem. So,

>> can I see what that looks like?

>> That's their emblem. It's a wolf in

sheep's clothing.

>> Fabian Society.

>> The Fabian Society.

>> I need to see that.

>> You should have a look at that.

>> I might have to get a t-shirt.

>> Should I tell you what else they were?

>> I need a t-shirt.

>> Should I tell you what else they were?

They were eugenicists originally.

>> Whoa.

>> Yes.

>> When?

>> Well,

>> how far back?

>> Bernard George Bernard.

>> That That is damn crazy.

>> Well, everyone should look at the Fabian

Sy because that runs deep through the

veins of

>> That is damn crazy.

>> What do you think of that? That is damn

crazy. So ladies and gentlemen, if

you're just listening to this, this

Fabian Society coat of arms is really a

black wolf that has a sheep's body

strapped on top of its back and it's

like covering its This is insane.

That's crazy.

That what a what a complete disdain for

anybody else's intelligence.

Like they're not even trying to hide it.

They're just like

>> they're all members. The front bench are

all members of the Fabian Society. So So

>> that that code of arms

>> K Star is also a member.

>> I need a t-shirt, Jamie. Please order

it.

>> You you want you want to hold you want a

Fabian Society t-shirt?

>> Yeah. Just for a goof. I think it would

be hilarious.

>> But no, so that's that runs through the

Labor Party. So that's all part of it.

So I I think the agenda has been to your

point, they in infiltrated our education

system. Uh, and you know, I'm proud of

our history. I mean, Britain uh stopped

the slave trade. It cost us a fortune.

Uh, we did it uh almost unilaterally.

And you know, we I think on the whole

have been a force for good in the world.

Not bad. I I I'm I'm proud to say that.

I've studied a lot of history. Uh I

think there are many other cultures,

probably the Belgians and and the French

who are far more brutal than us with the

with their with their colonies. So I

think we've tended to leave a legacy

where we've tried to instill the rule of

law. Look at India. Look look at a lot

of the other countries that we we we we

were involved with. Uh they're now

flourishing because of the I think the

structures that we left in place. And

it's very sad to watch us almost turning

in on ourselves and and having left the

legacy in other countries. We we

ourselves have lost sight of what of of

what we should be doing. It's just it's

really extraordinary seeing the

perspective of a lot of young people

that are very impressionable that come

out of universities and have an utter

complete disdain for these successful

societies. And instead of looking at

these successful societies and saying,

"Well, yeah, people were really terrible

in the past, but this is a pretty good

example of how people should be treated

equally today." No, it's not perfect,

but it's progressing in a better

direction than it was in the past,

right? Instead, they look to the past

and everything is built on this horrible

history of outrageous, atrocious acts

and therefore it must be punished

currently and all the people that

benefited from it, specifically white

people, need to be cast out. They need

to be silenced. They multiculturalism is

the only way to go. Complete open

borders. like the the way they look at

things is like how do you think these

countries got so good? Like what do you

what do you think is about America or

about England about any of these

countries that leads them to be where

they are today? Well, it's a long

history of progress, a long history. And

along the way, yeah, like especially

when you go back hundreds of years ago,

people were [ __ ] terrible. They were

terrible everywhere. You know, humans

are just getting better at being people.

like pretty recently. But to throw it

all out and abandon it and to think that

socialism is going to fix you, like do

you guys read anything? There's not a

single example of that, not turning to

tyranny. And their their take on it is

always it hasn't been done correctly.

And that is so wild that people are

still willing to swallow that. And the

only thing that makes sense is they've

been indoctrinated through universities

to think this way because nowhere in the

real world do you think that equality of

outcome ever makes any sense because

everybody realizes somewhere along the

line when you get your first job, when

you're a kid, when you're going through

school, when you're playing sports,

there's not a quality of effort. There's

never a quality of effort and there's

always some people that want to put in

more effort and they put in more thought

and more focus and they get further and

you know, oh well they're [ __ ] over

all these other people. Are you sure

that's everything? Cuz it seems like

it's not. And it seems like as soon as

you remove any incentive to succeed,

then you don't have any of the amazing

stuff that you have around you all the

time. the reason why you have beautiful

televisions and Starlink and all the

it's capitalism. It's that you have to

incentivize people to create these

things.

>> Yeah.

>> It doesn't mean the only way to do it is

to [ __ ] other people over. That's not

correct. It can be done correctly. It

could be done humanely. It can be done

wisely. You could vote with your

dollars. You could, you know, boycott

companies that do things that you don't

think are ethical. There's all sorts of

wonderful ways that capitalism could be

used and you can sort of influence

things the right direction, but to throw

it all out and say we've got to go

socialism like oh boy, I can't believe

people are buying that. I just I that to

me is one of the real problems with not

allowing conservative voices in

universities and that these universities

especially in the United States are a

lot of especially like in sociology,

psychology and the overwhelmingly

liberal like surely there's got to be

some historians out there that are

conservative and they would have a

different perspective and it might be

good to have diversity of opinion as

well as diversity diversity of national

origin as well as diversity of gender as

well as diversity of sexual orientation.

Yeah, all that stuff's great, but also

diversity of opinion. Like the only way

to know whether or not this person is

making sense is to have someone who

completely disagrees that has a better

point go up against them and you watch

them duke it out. And as soon as you

silence all that because students don't

feel safe or because, you know, this is

promoting X, Y, and Z, this person's a

Nazi. Oh, they're a Nazi, we can't let

them on the As soon as you do that, you

ruin the whole thing that a university

is supposed to be doing. Supposed to be

preparing young minds for discourse and

for communicating and for figuring out

the world on their own. They're

eventually going to be independent and

dependent entirely on their own actions

and decisions. And go out there in the

world, figure out your way. arm them

correctly. And the way to do that is to

expose them to all sorts of different

competing ideas. The idea that that was

ever accepted to be shut down in this

country, especially in America, is a

massive failure of the education system.

Just massive. If you think that someone

has bad points, come up with better

points and let them duke it out. And

don't pull fire alarms and don't silence

them and don't scream and protest and

throw things at them. Communicate. This

is what the And anybody who doesn't do

that should be shunned.

>> I agree.

>> If you if you're one of those people

that says, "No, you can't talk to Nazis

like shun them. Shun." They are the

enemy of thinking. They are the enemy of

progress. They are the enemy of finding

out what's right and what's wrong. And

the only way we find that out is we

communicate.

>> Free speech.

>> Free speech. Well, free speech and a

degree of Darwinism. You have to have a

what we have in the UK now is, I always

say, reverse Darwinian theory. And again

at schools now in my day I was lucky we

we we we like to win to win was good to

win fairly in a in a proper game of

hockey or rugby or whatever was great

but now in schools winning is is

considered to be bad. So everybody needs

to have an opportunity to be treated the

same

>> in sports

>> often often in sport to win to be seen

as a as a competitive winner.

>> You guys don't have wrestling over here.

>> We don't have wrestling. I know you do.

You do. It's a real problem. cage

fighting and stuff, don't you?

>> I know, but I mean, wrestling, just

wrestling as a sport, just wrestling for

high school and college, it's like

wrestlers understand mecracy as good as

any human being alive because there's no

way to make it unless you work hard.

>> But isn't this the battle Joe J, the

age-old battle between individualism and

collectivism? Yes.

>> Because the collective

>> uh likes to curb the individual. I I

like to foster the individual and I

think what what the state fears most is

highly successful independent-minded

people who are capable of putting their

point of view uh and discussing it with

each other. So what they try and do

through the taxation in the UK what

they're doing is they're taxing to your

point people who contribute who work

hard and there are still a lot of people

who fight very hard to feed their

families. They're proud. They don't want

to be part of this welfareism. You know,

they want to provide and they work hard,

but the state puts everything in their

way. All the regulations, the rules, the

taxes, everything is everything is the

force is not with them. And that's got

to be wrong. I mean what you what I

think what you need is a lot of

successful individual family businesses

uh communities which are self-sufficient

communities that respect each other and

and and and effectively uh can have this

debate with each other you get at the

truth and I and I think as a result of

that most of the best inventions have

come from you know the UK the US from

the Anglo-Saxon world where

individualism when it's allowed to

flourish does a lot of good for mankind.

And to your point, I I think this is

what's been undermined by these

>> what I call central planners.

>> And a lot of these great inventions in

America have come from people that

immigrated legally from other countries

because they appreciated what America

stood for and they really wanted to make

something happen and they couldn't do it

wherever they were.

>> Well, the extraordinary thing in the UK

is we've got a lot of support from

people who are immigrants into the UK.

They came to Britain because they

respected our structures and what they

want is they want structure. They don't

want to see the country.

>> Yes. Legal immigrants in America have

the same perspective. Legal immigrants

in America are pretty overwhelmingly

against the whole open border idea

because it took was so hard for them to

become an American citizen. It's a very

proud moment for them to do it. Like

>> a lot of young people got a lot of

support from young people who are

>> again young people are online. See this

is the thing like so young people are

much more

I want to say informed but at least

aware of the issue. They're much more

aware of things than older people that

are just again reading the newspaper and

watching television.

>> But don't don't you think is it maybe

the same here in Britain? A lot of the

wealth is tied up in what I call the

baby boomers. So I'm a sort of tail end

boomer because I'm 68 but the sort of

bulk of them are probably 70 to 90 and a

lot of the pension wealth is held there

and and a lot of the damage that's been

done to our financial markets has come

from aversion to risk. Risk is a good

thing in my opinion. So people need to

take risk. Risk uh you know the

entrepreneur takes risk and he gets

reward if he gets it right. But if you

tax him into oblivion he doesn't take

the risk. And what's happened in Britain

is the baby boomers, the wealth's all

locked up there. They want to see their

retirement through safely. And not

enough money is cascading down to the

young people to be able to build their

lives in the same way that the boomers

were given a chance to to make money in

in this very uh uh

>> when you say not enough money is

cascading down, like how so? What's the

bottom? the money is all locked up when

with these old baby boomers and they're

more concerned with their pensions and

their retirement than they are with

generating an ongoing wealth chain which

gives an opportunity for the young to be

involved.

>> So meaning they're not starting

businesses.

>> No, very much not.

>> They're just holding on to their money.

>> They're holding on to their money.

>> So that's just that's an England thing

>> in England. Definitely. I mean I I think

it's a big issue. I don't know whether

it's an issue here. Is it an issue here?

Well, there's certainly an issue here

with uh young people feeling like the

system is completely rigged. Um cost of

housing is through the roof. Uh rent is

through the roof. Uh groceries are more

expensive. Inflation here is a giant

problem. It's a giant problem for people

that are struggling. We were just

looking at something the other day uh on

the internet where it was talking about

a number uh a finan a number from what

was it like 2007 or 2008 or something

like that was like $225,000

and it's $450,000 in today.

>> Like that's crazy. Yeah.

>> That's like 20 years ago. like to for to

have something double in 20 years. And

you just think about how many people

that are coming up that just feel like

AI is going to take all their jobs. So,

they don't know what to do and now

they're in student debt because you guys

have free education over there, which is

a wonderful thing. I mean, I completely

support that idea. But in America, these

kids get saddled down with debt that

they can't escape from.

>> Well, we don't in England, we don't have

free education. in in England. In

Scotland, they do cuz

>> Scotland has free education. We did used

to have it. You're quite right. But

>> when did it go away?

>> Well, now students have to take out

loans. And this is another shocking uh

uh uh

>> I thought you guys had free healthcare

and free education.

>> We have we have well, if you call it

free healthcare, assuming you can get a

doctor now because you you you know,

most people now are having to source

their own medical treatment because it

takes you so long to get an operation or

to get a doctor's appointment. It it

it's although the the sort of health

service was set up post war to provide

free health care when it becomes

incredibly inefficient people have to

seek their own care

>> otherwise they don't get treated

>> but but I look I think with student debt

now uh uh