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If you have Netflix and a hot shower,

0:02

you're kind of living. Warren Buffett

0:04

said the the average middle-class person

0:06

lives a better life than the wealthiest

0:07

person in the world 100 years ago. He's

0:09

right. I'll take Netflix and Novacaane

0:12

versus being the Duke of Earl in the

0:13

late 19th century. Hands down, that

0:16

middle class person has a much better

0:17

life right now.

0:22

In today's office hours, we discuss men

0:24

and body image, why life feels

0:25

unaffordable, and how to stay present in

0:27

relationships. Our first question comes

0:29

from Neat Extension

0:32

6877 on Reddit. They say, "Hi, I had a

0:35

question in regards to your recent

0:36

procedures. I was wondering how you

0:38

would address the rise in male

0:39

augmentations and things including

0:41

eating disorders and body dysmorphia

0:42

with young men. The topic is usually

0:44

targeted towards females. I know you've

0:46

mentioned your body dysmorphia and was

0:48

curious if you had discussions with your

0:49

sons about the condition. How can we

0:50

help young men navigate these issues

0:52

from a different perspective? I hope

0:53

you're healing well and happy with the

0:55

results. Okay, so my quote unquote

0:57

procedure and body dysmorphia aren't

0:59

really connected. I got kicked in the

1:00

face playing soccer when I was in high

1:01

school. My nose has always gone to the

1:02

right and I wanted to fix it. I'm vain

1:04

enough to have it done, but I'm not vain

1:06

enough to really I don't know if it

1:07

really did anything quite frankly.

1:08

Unfortunately, my iPhone still

1:10

recognizes me on face recognition. So,

1:12

and most people who see me don't see any

1:13

difference. Uh, that's not where my body

1:15

dysmorphia has manifested. My body

1:18

dysmorphia was growing up. My mom was

1:21

British and not home a lot. So, that

1:23

meant food was a punishment. She didn't

1:25

cook a lot and when she did cook it was

1:26

shephardd's pie. No joke. She would on

1:28

Sunday make a giant vat of shephardd's

1:30

pie and that night it was actually

1:31

tolerable even good. And then we'd

1:33

freeze it and for the next seven nights

1:35

I had the delight of crusting off a

1:37

piece of frozen shephardd's pie, putting

1:39

it into a microwave that sounded like

1:40

Chernobyl right before it blew and then

1:42

eating this kind of wet shephardd's pie

1:44

thing. And so food was not something

1:46

I've ever enjoyed. I'm not a foodie.

1:48

Food quite frankly, no one feels sorry

1:49

for me. Food is a tax for me. If it were

1:51

up to me, I wouldn't eat a lot. My

1:52

assistant will call me at 2 p.m. and

1:54

say, "I can tell you I haven't eaten."

1:56

And she's right. I haven't eaten since I

1:57

got up. I could drop 10 or 15 pounds, no

1:59

problem, in about 2 months. And again,

2:01

see above. No one's going to feel sorry

2:02

for me. But I grew up painfully thin.

2:04

When I got my driver's license, I was

2:05

5'10", 120. When I got to college, I was

2:07

6'1,

2:09

140 lbs maybe. And with bad acne, and I

2:12

was just very self-conscious about my

2:13

looks. Now, in some ways, that was good

2:15

because it taught me that if I ever

2:16

wanted to have any social capital, I

2:18

would need to develop other skills. and

2:19

I developed I think a really strong

2:21

sense of humor and that was key for me

2:23

and it's serving me well my whole life

2:24

but it was comical in high school and

2:26

Steve Martin I'm dating myself in

2:28

college I started lifting weights and

2:29

started taking protein powder went on

2:32

Accutane my skin cleared up and by the

2:34

time I was kind of end of my sophomore

2:35

year I was 6'2 190 lbs and quite frankly

2:38

I was ripped and to be blunt I started

2:40

getting laid and I really like that I

2:42

really enjoyed that and just a lot of

2:45

confidence a lot of self-esteem came

2:47

from being strong if you will, or not

2:50

being skinny. And so I associate good

2:52

things with not being skinny. So even

2:55

though I'm still 6'2, 187 lbs, you know,

2:58

everything's kind of shifted a little

2:59

bit. But when I look in the mirror, I

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see someone who's emaciated. And I know

3:03

that my brain's been rewired and I don't

3:05

see the real me. But I have tremendous

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or when I was a young person, and I

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think most people have body dysmorphia,

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but for mine, it was more about weight.

3:14

Uh so back to cosmetic procedures about

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2 million men a year undergo cosmetic

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procedures. I would bet that within 10

3:20

or 20 years people who have money that

3:22

twothirds of a men and women will

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undergo some sort of cosmetic procedures

3:25

and there's different levels. You can

3:26

get Botox, you can get fillers. I bet a

3:29

lot of it will be non-surgical. But it's

3:31

kind of that that saying you're not

3:33

you're not ugly or poor. And we have

3:36

such a looks this age society now. I

3:38

think the emphasis to look young it's

3:40

always been there for women. Women are

3:41

disproportionately evaluated on their

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aesthetics. Men disproportionately

3:44

evaluated on their economic viability.

3:46

But now economic viability is as you get

3:49

older kind of your ability to come

3:51

across as vigorous and youthful. So I

3:53

think a great place to invest or work is

3:55

in I don't know what you call it the

3:56

aesthetics industry. Uh it used to be

3:58

men were only about 5 to 6% of patients.

4:00

Now they're pushing 10% I believe. So

4:03

their shares doubled. I believe that'll

4:04

go to a third. But I'm now doing, you're

4:06

talking to someone who never took a I

4:08

literally never took a pill or had

4:09

caffeine until I was 45. Now I'm just

4:12

this guy that cliche with a pill box. I

4:15

do NAD treatments, vitamin A, B, D. Do I

4:18

do E? I think I do E. Um I do all sorts

4:20

of [ __ ] I'm on testosterone therapy. Uh

4:24

so I'm doing kind of everything. I

4:26

haven't had a lot of cosmetic

4:27

procedures. Mine were pretty PG-13, if

4:30

you will. I don't know if they worked or

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not. I don't know. Anyways, I'm kind of

4:33

fascinated with the technology, but I

4:35

think you're going to see a the pretty

4:36

big increase. I think body dysmorphia is

4:39

something that most people suffer from.

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And what I would say is I don't even

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feel qualified to talk about it.

4:45

Supposedly, eating disorders are the

4:46

hardest to kick. Uh men make up only

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about 10% of eating disorder patients,

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but community uh studies suggest they

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may represent closer to 25%.

4:56

Because there's more of a taboo and men

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don't talk about it. So there's a big

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gap between how many men are affected

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and how many men actually talk about it.

5:04

It body dysmorphia affects according to

5:06

research about 2% of the general

5:08

population. I think that's [ __ ] I

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think it's much more than that. 2025

5:11

study found that nearly 3% of young men

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show signs of muscle dysmorphia. That's

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what I had. I could never be big enough.

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I now look back when I was working out a

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lot in my 30s. I got pretty big and even

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then I thought I wasn't big enough. So,

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you can see how it happens. And I can

5:25

relate to young women who see Instagram

5:27

and think that they can never be thin

5:28

enough. And that's what girls and young

5:30

women are seeing as their aspirational

5:32

figures. I think it's actually very

5:33

unhealthy. But in terms of body

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dysmorphia, mine's gotten a lot better

5:38

as I've gotten older. Uh, simply put, I

5:40

just am more confident, more experienced

5:42

in relationships. I'm sort of ready to

5:44

go full ugly. Trying to hold on to

5:45

being, you know, I always say to my

5:47

friends, it's not easy to be a four on a

5:49

scale of 1 to 10. I'm kind of ready just

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to just give up and go to the 3, two,

5:52

and the one of what it means to be old

5:54

and just kind of ugly. I'm ready for it.

5:55

I'm sort of here for it. I've come to

5:57

grips with that and I'm no longer trying

5:59

as hard. Although, having said that, I

6:00

just had a cosmetic procedure. Anyway,

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uh body dysmorphia, obviously, if you

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feel like you suffer for from it or

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would benefit from therapy, I think that

6:08

would that's a great idea if you have

6:09

the money and access. But I think it's

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something a lot of us I think very few

6:12

people look look in the mirror and think

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nailed it. So, I think it's a big issue

6:16

and this is all a long-winded way of

6:17

saying I'm not qualified to speak deeply

6:19

to the issue other than to say I had it.

6:22

I felt like I was never big or muscular

6:24

enough. It's something that's haunted me

6:25

my whole life and slowly but surely I've

6:27

grown out of it and just try to

6:29

rationally think about my height, my

6:31

weight, staying in shape, exercising a

6:33

lot, eating well, and as I get older

6:35

trying to cut down the alcohol and do a

6:37

[ __ ] ton more THC. That's the dog. He's

6:41

back. He's oxygen deprivived. Oxygen

6:45

deprivive. Oxygen deprived at 6,000 ft.

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Question number two. Question two comes

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from a listener who emailed us. They

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say, "Total fan here. We'll totally

7:58

thank you. A recent economist article

7:59

downplayed affordability as a crisis,

8:01

noting that wages for the working class

8:03

and working poor have kept pace with

8:05

inflation or better. Do you agree?" My

8:08

understanding is the percentage of home

8:09

ownership in recent decades has ranged

8:11

between 60 and 70%. Is that still the

8:12

case or are those 30% of us do not own

8:14

homes just coming to the sad realization

8:17

there in that 30%. Appreciate your

8:19

thoughts on all of the above. Okay, so

8:20

there's some data here. I saw that

8:21

article. I thought it was really

8:22

interesting. The economist article this

8:24

question refers to is titled the

8:26

American affordability crisis is mostly

8:29

a mirage and it was published in late

8:30

December. The economist loves to be

8:32

provocative. Hm. It claims that real

8:34

wages have risen across much of the

8:35

income distribution and purchasing power

8:37

are still relatively strong, undermining

8:38

the idea that Americans on average are

8:40

dramatically worse off than previous

8:41

generations. So, a direct quote from the

8:43

article, real wages are close to record

8:45

highs across the income spectrum, but

8:47

are strongest of all for the poorest.

8:49

Never has life been so affordable in

8:50

America for so many. The argument there

8:53

is that much of the feeling of a crisis

8:54

is driven by psychology. people focusing

8:56

on price levels rather than inflation

8:58

rates and politics rather than actual

9:00

deterioration of fundamentally

9:01

affordable metrics rather than

9:02

fundamental affordability metrics. Okay,

9:04

so some additional context here with

9:06

respect to wages. The economist isn't

9:08

totally wrong but I think they missed

9:10

part of the picture. According to the

9:11

article, price levels are up around 25%

9:14

versus before the pandemic which means

9:15

people are actually paying higher

9:16

prices. But it points out that nominal

9:18

wages have risen by around 30% over the

9:20

same period. Real wages, meaning wages

9:22

adjusted for inflation, have also

9:23

recovered since the pandemic.

9:25

inflationadjusted pay today is slightly

9:26

higher than 2019 and lower income

9:28

workers actually saw faster wage growth

9:31

but that's an average story where's the

9:33

real pressure so I I think a couple

9:35

things are happening here and I think

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the key is psych or the key word is the

9:38

psychology or psychology and that is

9:40

when you think about the things that get

9:41

you ahead and maybe help you build a

9:43

family it's education and it's housing

9:46

and housing plays a big psychological

9:48

has a big psychological impact on people

9:50

also I think families are really

9:52

struggling with um the downside of what

9:56

is a corrupt cartel called higher

9:58

education of which I'm a member of where

10:00

we purposely arbitrage great kids or

10:03

good kids down to an average school that

10:05

engages in price collusion such that an

10:08

average school charges what a great

10:10

school charges even a little bit more

10:11

because most great schools have more

10:13

donors and financial aid so you get

10:15

arbed from Princeton and NYU or whatever

10:18

down to a second tier school I won't

10:20

name a second tier school because people

10:21

are so sensitive about their schools but

10:23

that school even though second tier,

10:25

you're paying a Mercedes uh price for a

10:27

Hyundai product, making education just

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unaffordable for most middle- class

10:31

households. So, the means of getting

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ahead, the means of establishing a

10:35

family have outpaced, and this takes a

10:36

real psychological toll. Now, even

10:38

bigger than that, even bigger than that.

10:40

Okay, if you I love Jimmy Carr. I don't

10:42

know if you he's my new Yoda. He points

10:44

out that if you have Netflix and a hot

10:47

shower, you're kind of living Warren

10:49

Buffett said the the average middle

10:50

class person lives a better life than

10:52

the wealthiest person in the world 100

10:54

years ago. He's right. I'll take Netflix

10:56

and Novacane versus being the Duke of

10:58

Earl in the late 19th century. Hands

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down, the middle class person has a much

11:02

better life right now. Uh the problem is

11:04

that's not the way our brain works. The

11:06

way our brain works is we pull up

11:08

Instagram and we see that our friends

11:09

are at the Amani in Utah having $40

11:12

cocktails after buying, you know, ETH

11:16

and making millions of dollars and are

11:18

buying a condo in Miami and just bought

11:21

a brand new, you know, Range Rover. And

11:24

you think, okay, that's my benchmark.

11:26

Oh, and by the way, she has a boyfriend

11:28

with ripped abs and my boyfriend does

11:30

not have ripped abs and is not making

11:32

millions of dollars. I'm a failure. And

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so the 0.1% dominate 90% or the image of

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the 0.1% dominate 90% of our social

11:43

feeds and create just unrealistic

11:46

expectations and it depresses us. And

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that is happiness is a function of your

11:50

prosperity minus your expectations. And

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our expectations have just been taught

11:56

to vastly outpace any reasonable

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increase in our prosperity. I even find

12:02

this just on a basic level. the

12:03

difference between men and women. Men

12:05

are, at least in my generation, were

12:07

raised to believe that they should earn

12:09

enough money to have a family, that

12:10

that's their right. And so, when they're

12:11

not making a [ __ ] ton of money, they

12:12

feel angry and entitled. Whereas, I

12:14

think a lot of women were brought up to

12:16

think that, oh, you just want to make

12:18

the same as a man. That's your goal. And

12:20

so, I have universally found in

12:22

compensation discussions that it's

12:24

always the white dudes, and I'm playing

12:26

identity politics here, who always like

12:28

pissed off about their compensation. And

12:30

again, it goes back to one thing. kind

12:31

of goes back to expectations. So, I

12:34

think one, the key markers of

12:36

prosperity, your ability to get

12:38

certification, you need to move ahead,

12:39

buy a home, outpace inflation. And two,

12:42

I mean, I just want stat first-time home

12:44

buyers now just make up 20% of home

12:46

purchases. That's down from 40%

12:47

historically. So, now only one in five

12:49

home purchases are first-time buyers.

12:51

The average age of a first-time home

12:52

buyer is now 40 years old. That's the

12:53

highest it's ever been. Or put, you

12:55

know, wages may be keeping up with

12:56

inflation, but they're not keeping up

12:57

with the price of of entry into wealth.

12:59

And that is your ability to start

13:01

building a life and saving money. Some

13:02

things have gone down in price. The

13:04

average price of retail price of clothes

13:06

has gone down 50%. Uh cars has gone

13:09

down. The college tuition has gone up.

13:10

Also uh medical care. And you want to

13:13

talk about something that really weighs

13:14

on the psych and the anxiety of America.

13:15

40% of American homes uh have some sort

13:18

of medical or dental debt. Imagine

13:19

you're a single mother and your

13:21

daughter's in screaming pain from a root

13:23

canal. You have to go into debt such

13:24

that she I mean you got to get that root

13:26

canal, right? So this really attacks

13:28

people's self-esteem and uh also child

13:32

care is dramatically increased. So what

13:34

do you have? It's hard to go to work and

13:36

get ahead because of child care. It's

13:39

really hard to get the certification you

13:40

need to substantially step up in your

13:42

career because of college and if you get

13:44

sick, God help you. You're kind of out

13:46

on your own. And then you layer in all

13:48

of that an expectation that if you're

13:49

not a millionaire by the time you're 30,

13:51

uh you [ __ ] up. So definitely some

13:53

truth to the notion that the

13:54

affordability crisis on some metrics has

13:56

not panned out. But psychologically what

13:59

we have is a nation that is more fearful

14:01

and more anxious and feels less secure

14:03

about their position in the world

14:04

relative to everybody else. Thanks for

14:06

the question. We'll be right back after

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Welcome back. Our final question comes

15:51

from Moonlight Climber on Reddit. I'm in

15:54

my late 20s in a serious relationship

15:55

and trying to balance ambition with

15:57

partnership. My partner is a position

15:59

tied to one location. I'm starting a

16:01

company and travel frequently for work

16:02

and family. You've built a big career

16:04

that requires a lot of travel. How did

16:05

you maintain a close relationship with

16:07

your partner? Specifically, when your

16:09

kids were younger, was your travel a

16:11

source of tension? If so, what actually

16:12

worked? Setting up a communication

16:14

cadence, boundaries, traveling together.

16:16

Looking back, what would you do

16:17

differently? Well, given that I'm

16:19

divorced, I'd probably do a lot

16:21

differently. I may not have relevant

16:23

experience here because I didn't have

16:24

kids till I was 42. And one of the

16:26

reasons I didn't have them was I wanted

16:27

to be focused on my career, my work, and

16:29

not being present and not investing in

16:32

my marriage and my selfishness. All

16:35

didn't help. See above divorced, but I

16:37

can't blame that on a lack of balance

16:39

and not having kids. I just think I was

16:40

kind of me me all the time. Also, I

16:43

think generally it's tough to get

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married when you're young. I think I

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think between the ages of 24 and 34,

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you're a pretty different person. So,

16:48

unless you're investing a lot in the

16:49

relationship and time with each other,

16:50

it's pretty easy to kind of grow apart

16:51

and have different priorities. Hey,

16:52

let's move to New York where I can be a

16:54

[ __ ] master of the universe. Hey, I

16:55

want to move closer to my parents in,

16:56

you know, Santa Clarita. What? What?

16:58

What do you want to do? What? You didn't

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tell me that. Um, you want our kids to

17:02

go to church? What the [ __ ] Anyway, how

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do you balance, brother? There is no

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balance. I think if you have the right

17:07

partner and you're aligned, I'd say it's

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more about alignment than balance. And

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that is, is it important to your partner

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and you that you have a certain level of

17:15

economic or influence capital by a

17:17

certain age? If so, it's just going to

17:18

require a massive amount of commitment

17:20

that will involve you not spending as

17:22

much time together. And is your partner

17:24

aligned with that? Uh, one thing I will

17:26

give to my ex-wife was she was on board

17:28

with that. She was she was a securities

17:30

analyst. We were working all the [ __ ]

17:31

time. So, I think it's more about

17:32

alignment that you have the type of

17:34

conversation with your partner, right?

17:36

This is the life we want and in order to

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get the life we want, it's going to

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require a certain amount of sacrifice

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for both of us. My sacrifice might be

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that I have to molest the earth every

17:44

year. And I spent for the last 30 years,

17:45

I've spent 180 days plus a year on the

17:47

road. I'm at [ __ ] Jackson Hole right

17:49

now. I was in Davos 3 days ago and then

17:51

before that I was in New York and all I

17:53

mean I've been invell

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it's going to take a sacrifice. The key

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is just having an open and honest

18:01

conversation and then also maybe being

18:03

open and honest about all right maybe I

18:06

need to dial it back and we need to

18:08

temper our expectations around what's

18:10

attainable for us. Technology does play

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a role. What I do now that is really

18:13

helpful I have alarms that go off my

18:15

phone and I FaceTime both my boys every

18:17

night at the same time. So, I'm in

18:19

Jackson Hole. It's Mountain Central

18:21

time. So, my alarm is set to 2:30 p.m.

18:24

uh Mountain Central time, which is 9:30

18:27

their time. And then I usually call them

18:29

or FaceTime them. And uh even if they

18:32

don't pick up, I just leave them a quick

18:34

note. They usually call me back. But I

18:35

just want them to know I'm thinking

18:36

about them every day and I want to see

18:39

them, say hi. And I find that is really

18:41

helpful. And it beats when I was living

18:43

with my father sometimes in the summer

18:45

after my mom and dad got divorced and

18:46

I'd have to shuttle downtown in Chicago

18:48

to use his Watts line because my dad was

18:50

too cheap to let me call my mom from our

18:52

phone. Yeah, breakups uh monopolies

18:54

aren't a bad thing. You have to send a

18:56

kid to downtown [ __ ] Chicago to call

18:57

his mom on the Watts line. Anyway, anywh

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who uh yeah, I think it's alignment with

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your partner and I think leveraging

19:03

technology and also just it sucks to be

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a grown-up. I I didn't see my boys a lot

19:08

when they were young. I remember coming

19:09

home and getting all bummed out because

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I'd be gone, sometimes I'd be gone for 3

19:13

weeks at a time when I was building L2

19:15

and traveling to Europe during

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Thanksgiving because we thought we could

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lap the competition. And I'd come home

19:19

and I'd see with my oldest Alec who was,

19:22

you know, five or six, I'd be like,

19:23

"Jesus Christ, he's grown." Like I'd I'd

19:25

pop my head in at night and I'd look at

19:27

him and he'd grown and it would just

19:28

really bum me out. But the bottom line

19:30

is I now get to do wonderful things with

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my kids. As I got older and I got more

19:34

economically secure, I was able to spend

19:36

a disproportionate amount of time with

19:37

them. So boss, you know, there's no

19:38

balance here. There's just trade-offs.

19:40

And you have to get alignment with your

19:41

partner and decide, you know, what

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sacrifices are you willing to make or

19:45

not make now and uh just be honest about

19:47

the consequences of those sacrifices or

19:49

the upside of those sacrifices. Thanks

19:52

for the question. That's all for this

19:53

episode. If you'd like to submit a

19:54

question, please email a voice recording

19:56

to office hours of media.com. That's

19:58

office hours.com.

20:00

Or if you prefer to ask on Reddit, just

20:02

post your question on the Scott Galloway

20:04

subreddit. I've got a subreddit. I've

20:05

got a subreddit. I like that. And we

20:08

just might feature it in an upcoming

20:10

episode.

Interactive Summary

The speaker addresses three main topics: male body image and the rise of cosmetic procedures, the perceived affordability crisis in America, and balancing career ambition with personal relationships. He shares his personal struggles with body dysmorphia and how societal pressures and social media influence self-perception. Regarding affordability, he critiques an Economist article, arguing that while wages may be up, the psychological toll of unaffordable housing, education, healthcare, and childcare, combined with unrealistic social media expectations, creates a significant crisis. Finally, drawing from his own divorce and extensive travel, he emphasizes that successful relationships require alignment and open communication about career sacrifices, and he shares how he uses technology to stay connected with his children despite a demanding schedule.

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