Scott Galloway on Body Dysmorphia, the Affordability Crisis & More | Office Hours
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If you have Netflix and a hot shower,
you're kind of living. Warren Buffett
said the the average middle-class person
lives a better life than the wealthiest
person in the world 100 years ago. He's
right. I'll take Netflix and Novacaane
versus being the Duke of Earl in the
late 19th century. Hands down, that
middle class person has a much better
life right now.
In today's office hours, we discuss men
and body image, why life feels
unaffordable, and how to stay present in
relationships. Our first question comes
from Neat Extension
6877 on Reddit. They say, "Hi, I had a
question in regards to your recent
procedures. I was wondering how you
would address the rise in male
augmentations and things including
eating disorders and body dysmorphia
with young men. The topic is usually
targeted towards females. I know you've
mentioned your body dysmorphia and was
curious if you had discussions with your
sons about the condition. How can we
help young men navigate these issues
from a different perspective? I hope
you're healing well and happy with the
results. Okay, so my quote unquote
procedure and body dysmorphia aren't
really connected. I got kicked in the
face playing soccer when I was in high
school. My nose has always gone to the
right and I wanted to fix it. I'm vain
enough to have it done, but I'm not vain
enough to really I don't know if it
really did anything quite frankly.
Unfortunately, my iPhone still
recognizes me on face recognition. So,
and most people who see me don't see any
difference. Uh, that's not where my body
dysmorphia has manifested. My body
dysmorphia was growing up. My mom was
British and not home a lot. So, that
meant food was a punishment. She didn't
cook a lot and when she did cook it was
shephardd's pie. No joke. She would on
Sunday make a giant vat of shephardd's
pie and that night it was actually
tolerable even good. And then we'd
freeze it and for the next seven nights
I had the delight of crusting off a
piece of frozen shephardd's pie, putting
it into a microwave that sounded like
Chernobyl right before it blew and then
eating this kind of wet shephardd's pie
thing. And so food was not something
I've ever enjoyed. I'm not a foodie.
Food quite frankly, no one feels sorry
for me. Food is a tax for me. If it were
up to me, I wouldn't eat a lot. My
assistant will call me at 2 p.m. and
say, "I can tell you I haven't eaten."
And she's right. I haven't eaten since I
got up. I could drop 10 or 15 pounds, no
problem, in about 2 months. And again,
see above. No one's going to feel sorry
for me. But I grew up painfully thin.
When I got my driver's license, I was
5'10", 120. When I got to college, I was
6'1,
140 lbs maybe. And with bad acne, and I
was just very self-conscious about my
looks. Now, in some ways, that was good
because it taught me that if I ever
wanted to have any social capital, I
would need to develop other skills. and
I developed I think a really strong
sense of humor and that was key for me
and it's serving me well my whole life
but it was comical in high school and
Steve Martin I'm dating myself in
college I started lifting weights and
started taking protein powder went on
Accutane my skin cleared up and by the
time I was kind of end of my sophomore
year I was 6'2 190 lbs and quite frankly
I was ripped and to be blunt I started
getting laid and I really like that I
really enjoyed that and just a lot of
confidence a lot of self-esteem came
from being strong if you will, or not
being skinny. And so I associate good
things with not being skinny. So even
though I'm still 6'2, 187 lbs, you know,
everything's kind of shifted a little
bit. But when I look in the mirror, I
see someone who's emaciated. And I know
that my brain's been rewired and I don't
see the real me. But I have tremendous
or when I was a young person, and I
think most people have body dysmorphia,
but for mine, it was more about weight.
Uh so back to cosmetic procedures about
2 million men a year undergo cosmetic
procedures. I would bet that within 10
or 20 years people who have money that
twothirds of a men and women will
undergo some sort of cosmetic procedures
and there's different levels. You can
get Botox, you can get fillers. I bet a
lot of it will be non-surgical. But it's
kind of that that saying you're not
you're not ugly or poor. And we have
such a looks this age society now. I
think the emphasis to look young it's
always been there for women. Women are
disproportionately evaluated on their
aesthetics. Men disproportionately
evaluated on their economic viability.
But now economic viability is as you get
older kind of your ability to come
across as vigorous and youthful. So I
think a great place to invest or work is
in I don't know what you call it the
aesthetics industry. Uh it used to be
men were only about 5 to 6% of patients.
Now they're pushing 10% I believe. So
their shares doubled. I believe that'll
go to a third. But I'm now doing, you're
talking to someone who never took a I
literally never took a pill or had
caffeine until I was 45. Now I'm just
this guy that cliche with a pill box. I
do NAD treatments, vitamin A, B, D. Do I
do E? I think I do E. Um I do all sorts
of [ __ ] I'm on testosterone therapy. Uh
so I'm doing kind of everything. I
haven't had a lot of cosmetic
procedures. Mine were pretty PG-13, if
you will. I don't know if they worked or
not. I don't know. Anyways, I'm kind of
fascinated with the technology, but I
think you're going to see a the pretty
big increase. I think body dysmorphia is
something that most people suffer from.
And what I would say is I don't even
feel qualified to talk about it.
Supposedly, eating disorders are the
hardest to kick. Uh men make up only
about 10% of eating disorder patients,
but community uh studies suggest they
may represent closer to 25%.
Because there's more of a taboo and men
don't talk about it. So there's a big
gap between how many men are affected
and how many men actually talk about it.
It body dysmorphia affects according to
research about 2% of the general
population. I think that's [ __ ] I
think it's much more than that. 2025
study found that nearly 3% of young men
show signs of muscle dysmorphia. That's
what I had. I could never be big enough.
I now look back when I was working out a
lot in my 30s. I got pretty big and even
then I thought I wasn't big enough. So,
you can see how it happens. And I can
relate to young women who see Instagram
and think that they can never be thin
enough. And that's what girls and young
women are seeing as their aspirational
figures. I think it's actually very
unhealthy. But in terms of body
dysmorphia, mine's gotten a lot better
as I've gotten older. Uh, simply put, I
just am more confident, more experienced
in relationships. I'm sort of ready to
go full ugly. Trying to hold on to
being, you know, I always say to my
friends, it's not easy to be a four on a
scale of 1 to 10. I'm kind of ready just
to just give up and go to the 3, two,
and the one of what it means to be old
and just kind of ugly. I'm ready for it.
I'm sort of here for it. I've come to
grips with that and I'm no longer trying
as hard. Although, having said that, I
just had a cosmetic procedure. Anyway,
uh body dysmorphia, obviously, if you
feel like you suffer for from it or
would benefit from therapy, I think that
would that's a great idea if you have
the money and access. But I think it's
something a lot of us I think very few
people look look in the mirror and think
nailed it. So, I think it's a big issue
and this is all a long-winded way of
saying I'm not qualified to speak deeply
to the issue other than to say I had it.
I felt like I was never big or muscular
enough. It's something that's haunted me
my whole life and slowly but surely I've
grown out of it and just try to
rationally think about my height, my
weight, staying in shape, exercising a
lot, eating well, and as I get older
trying to cut down the alcohol and do a
[ __ ] ton more THC. That's the dog. He's
back. He's oxygen deprivived. Oxygen
deprivive. Oxygen deprived at 6,000 ft.
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Question number two. Question two comes
from a listener who emailed us. They
say, "Total fan here. We'll totally
thank you. A recent economist article
downplayed affordability as a crisis,
noting that wages for the working class
and working poor have kept pace with
inflation or better. Do you agree?" My
understanding is the percentage of home
ownership in recent decades has ranged
between 60 and 70%. Is that still the
case or are those 30% of us do not own
homes just coming to the sad realization
there in that 30%. Appreciate your
thoughts on all of the above. Okay, so
there's some data here. I saw that
article. I thought it was really
interesting. The economist article this
question refers to is titled the
American affordability crisis is mostly
a mirage and it was published in late
December. The economist loves to be
provocative. Hm. It claims that real
wages have risen across much of the
income distribution and purchasing power
are still relatively strong, undermining
the idea that Americans on average are
dramatically worse off than previous
generations. So, a direct quote from the
article, real wages are close to record
highs across the income spectrum, but
are strongest of all for the poorest.
Never has life been so affordable in
America for so many. The argument there
is that much of the feeling of a crisis
is driven by psychology. people focusing
on price levels rather than inflation
rates and politics rather than actual
deterioration of fundamentally
affordable metrics rather than
fundamental affordability metrics. Okay,
so some additional context here with
respect to wages. The economist isn't
totally wrong but I think they missed
part of the picture. According to the
article, price levels are up around 25%
versus before the pandemic which means
people are actually paying higher
prices. But it points out that nominal
wages have risen by around 30% over the
same period. Real wages, meaning wages
adjusted for inflation, have also
recovered since the pandemic.
inflationadjusted pay today is slightly
higher than 2019 and lower income
workers actually saw faster wage growth
but that's an average story where's the
real pressure so I I think a couple
things are happening here and I think
the key is psych or the key word is the
psychology or psychology and that is
when you think about the things that get
you ahead and maybe help you build a
family it's education and it's housing
and housing plays a big psychological
has a big psychological impact on people
also I think families are really
struggling with um the downside of what
is a corrupt cartel called higher
education of which I'm a member of where
we purposely arbitrage great kids or
good kids down to an average school that
engages in price collusion such that an
average school charges what a great
school charges even a little bit more
because most great schools have more
donors and financial aid so you get
arbed from Princeton and NYU or whatever
down to a second tier school I won't
name a second tier school because people
are so sensitive about their schools but
that school even though second tier,
you're paying a Mercedes uh price for a
Hyundai product, making education just
unaffordable for most middle- class
households. So, the means of getting
ahead, the means of establishing a
family have outpaced, and this takes a
real psychological toll. Now, even
bigger than that, even bigger than that.
Okay, if you I love Jimmy Carr. I don't
know if you he's my new Yoda. He points
out that if you have Netflix and a hot
shower, you're kind of living Warren
Buffett said the the average middle
class person lives a better life than
the wealthiest person in the world 100
years ago. He's right. I'll take Netflix
and Novacane versus being the Duke of
Earl in the late 19th century. Hands
down, the middle class person has a much
better life right now. Uh the problem is
that's not the way our brain works. The
way our brain works is we pull up
Instagram and we see that our friends
are at the Amani in Utah having $40
cocktails after buying, you know, ETH
and making millions of dollars and are
buying a condo in Miami and just bought
a brand new, you know, Range Rover. And
you think, okay, that's my benchmark.
Oh, and by the way, she has a boyfriend
with ripped abs and my boyfriend does
not have ripped abs and is not making
millions of dollars. I'm a failure. And
so the 0.1% dominate 90% or the image of
the 0.1% dominate 90% of our social
feeds and create just unrealistic
expectations and it depresses us. And
that is happiness is a function of your
prosperity minus your expectations. And
our expectations have just been taught
to vastly outpace any reasonable
increase in our prosperity. I even find
this just on a basic level. the
difference between men and women. Men
are, at least in my generation, were
raised to believe that they should earn
enough money to have a family, that
that's their right. And so, when they're
not making a [ __ ] ton of money, they
feel angry and entitled. Whereas, I
think a lot of women were brought up to
think that, oh, you just want to make
the same as a man. That's your goal. And
so, I have universally found in
compensation discussions that it's
always the white dudes, and I'm playing
identity politics here, who always like
pissed off about their compensation. And
again, it goes back to one thing. kind
of goes back to expectations. So, I
think one, the key markers of
prosperity, your ability to get
certification, you need to move ahead,
buy a home, outpace inflation. And two,
I mean, I just want stat first-time home
buyers now just make up 20% of home
purchases. That's down from 40%
historically. So, now only one in five
home purchases are first-time buyers.
The average age of a first-time home
buyer is now 40 years old. That's the
highest it's ever been. Or put, you
know, wages may be keeping up with
inflation, but they're not keeping up
with the price of of entry into wealth.
And that is your ability to start
building a life and saving money. Some
things have gone down in price. The
average price of retail price of clothes
has gone down 50%. Uh cars has gone
down. The college tuition has gone up.
Also uh medical care. And you want to
talk about something that really weighs
on the psych and the anxiety of America.
40% of American homes uh have some sort
of medical or dental debt. Imagine
you're a single mother and your
daughter's in screaming pain from a root
canal. You have to go into debt such
that she I mean you got to get that root
canal, right? So this really attacks
people's self-esteem and uh also child
care is dramatically increased. So what
do you have? It's hard to go to work and
get ahead because of child care. It's
really hard to get the certification you
need to substantially step up in your
career because of college and if you get
sick, God help you. You're kind of out
on your own. And then you layer in all
of that an expectation that if you're
not a millionaire by the time you're 30,
uh you [ __ ] up. So definitely some
truth to the notion that the
affordability crisis on some metrics has
not panned out. But psychologically what
we have is a nation that is more fearful
and more anxious and feels less secure
about their position in the world
relative to everybody else. Thanks for
the question. We'll be right back after
a quick break.
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Welcome back. Our final question comes
from Moonlight Climber on Reddit. I'm in
my late 20s in a serious relationship
and trying to balance ambition with
partnership. My partner is a position
tied to one location. I'm starting a
company and travel frequently for work
and family. You've built a big career
that requires a lot of travel. How did
you maintain a close relationship with
your partner? Specifically, when your
kids were younger, was your travel a
source of tension? If so, what actually
worked? Setting up a communication
cadence, boundaries, traveling together.
Looking back, what would you do
differently? Well, given that I'm
divorced, I'd probably do a lot
differently. I may not have relevant
experience here because I didn't have
kids till I was 42. And one of the
reasons I didn't have them was I wanted
to be focused on my career, my work, and
not being present and not investing in
my marriage and my selfishness. All
didn't help. See above divorced, but I
can't blame that on a lack of balance
and not having kids. I just think I was
kind of me me all the time. Also, I
think generally it's tough to get
married when you're young. I think I
think between the ages of 24 and 34,
you're a pretty different person. So,
unless you're investing a lot in the
relationship and time with each other,
it's pretty easy to kind of grow apart
and have different priorities. Hey,
let's move to New York where I can be a
[ __ ] master of the universe. Hey, I
want to move closer to my parents in,
you know, Santa Clarita. What? What?
What do you want to do? What? You didn't
tell me that. Um, you want our kids to
go to church? What the [ __ ] Anyway, how
do you balance, brother? There is no
balance. I think if you have the right
partner and you're aligned, I'd say it's
more about alignment than balance. And
that is, is it important to your partner
and you that you have a certain level of
economic or influence capital by a
certain age? If so, it's just going to
require a massive amount of commitment
that will involve you not spending as
much time together. And is your partner
aligned with that? Uh, one thing I will
give to my ex-wife was she was on board
with that. She was she was a securities
analyst. We were working all the [ __ ]
time. So, I think it's more about
alignment that you have the type of
conversation with your partner, right?
This is the life we want and in order to
get the life we want, it's going to
require a certain amount of sacrifice
for both of us. My sacrifice might be
that I have to molest the earth every
year. And I spent for the last 30 years,
I've spent 180 days plus a year on the
road. I'm at [ __ ] Jackson Hole right
now. I was in Davos 3 days ago and then
before that I was in New York and all I
mean I've been invell
it's going to take a sacrifice. The key
is just having an open and honest
conversation and then also maybe being
open and honest about all right maybe I
need to dial it back and we need to
temper our expectations around what's
attainable for us. Technology does play
a role. What I do now that is really
helpful I have alarms that go off my
phone and I FaceTime both my boys every
night at the same time. So, I'm in
Jackson Hole. It's Mountain Central
time. So, my alarm is set to 2:30 p.m.
uh Mountain Central time, which is 9:30
their time. And then I usually call them
or FaceTime them. And uh even if they
don't pick up, I just leave them a quick
note. They usually call me back. But I
just want them to know I'm thinking
about them every day and I want to see
them, say hi. And I find that is really
helpful. And it beats when I was living
with my father sometimes in the summer
after my mom and dad got divorced and
I'd have to shuttle downtown in Chicago
to use his Watts line because my dad was
too cheap to let me call my mom from our
phone. Yeah, breakups uh monopolies
aren't a bad thing. You have to send a
kid to downtown [ __ ] Chicago to call
his mom on the Watts line. Anyway, anywh
who uh yeah, I think it's alignment with
your partner and I think leveraging
technology and also just it sucks to be
a grown-up. I I didn't see my boys a lot
when they were young. I remember coming
home and getting all bummed out because
I'd be gone, sometimes I'd be gone for 3
weeks at a time when I was building L2
and traveling to Europe during
Thanksgiving because we thought we could
lap the competition. And I'd come home
and I'd see with my oldest Alec who was,
you know, five or six, I'd be like,
"Jesus Christ, he's grown." Like I'd I'd
pop my head in at night and I'd look at
him and he'd grown and it would just
really bum me out. But the bottom line
is I now get to do wonderful things with
my kids. As I got older and I got more
economically secure, I was able to spend
a disproportionate amount of time with
them. So boss, you know, there's no
balance here. There's just trade-offs.
And you have to get alignment with your
partner and decide, you know, what
sacrifices are you willing to make or
not make now and uh just be honest about
the consequences of those sacrifices or
the upside of those sacrifices. Thanks
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The speaker addresses three main topics: male body image and the rise of cosmetic procedures, the perceived affordability crisis in America, and balancing career ambition with personal relationships. He shares his personal struggles with body dysmorphia and how societal pressures and social media influence self-perception. Regarding affordability, he critiques an Economist article, arguing that while wages may be up, the psychological toll of unaffordable housing, education, healthcare, and childcare, combined with unrealistic social media expectations, creates a significant crisis. Finally, drawing from his own divorce and extensive travel, he emphasizes that successful relationships require alignment and open communication about career sacrifices, and he shares how he uses technology to stay connected with his children despite a demanding schedule.
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