If you want to strip fat off your body,

there is nothing, no type of

cardiovascular or weight training that

comes anywhere close to

He's spent 20 years working in life

insurance, predicting when people were

going to die to the nearest month. And

now he's on a mission to extend your

life.

Most people, they're walking around

right now at about 55% of their true

state of normal. There is an element

missing from their body that would make

the difference between them being an

average person and being a superhuman.

How? Everything that we put into our

bodies gets converted into a usable

form. If you cannot make this

conversion, you have a deficiency. And

it is this deficiency that leads to

these conditions.

They have accepted something as either a

consequence of aging, stress, or their

environment. This not a consequence of

any of those things. I'm going to tell

you exactly how to find out what it is

that's missing, so you could thrive in a

way that you probably never thought

possible. Let's use Dana White as an

example. So, LabCorp calls us, so says,

"Hey, we have a life-threatening alert

on a patient." He had all of these

conditions.

I've been talking to doctors. None of

them could fix any of my problems. I

said, "I'm surprised you could even

sleep through the night without choking,

gagging." He's like, slammed his hand

down, "How did you know that?" And I

said, "If you don't do what we're going

to ask you to do, if you have a life

expectancy of 10.4 years." And in 10

weeks, he has such a material change,

and he was like, "I had no idea I could

feel this good."

And his life expectancy? Almost tripled.

Someone who's just heard that at home,

where do they start? So,

I just want to start this episode with a

message of thanks. A thank you to

everybody that tunes in to listen to

this podcast. By doing so, you've

enabled me to live out my dream, but

also for many members of our team to

live out their dreams, too. It's one of

the greatest privileges I could never

have dreamed of or imagined in my life

to get to do this, to get to learn from

these people, to get to have these

conversations, to get to interrogate

them from a very selfish perspective,

trying to solve problems I have in my

life. So, I feel like I owe you a huge

thank you for being here and for

listening to these episodes and for

making this platform what it is. Can I

ask you a favor?

I can't tell you how much um you can

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the the course of the guests we're able

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doing one simple thing. And that simple

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Helps this channel more than I could

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together over the next year on this

show, a lot of it is going to be fueled

by the amount of you that are subscribed

and that tune into this show every week.

So, thank you. Let's keep doing this and

I can't wait to see what this year

brings for this show, for us as a

community, and for this platform.

Gary. Yes.

I This is the first time I've started

this podcast in this particular way, but

I was

but this is where I wanted to start it.

It's with a slightly curious question,

which is

there's people that have just clicked

onto this podcast to listen now, right?

YouTube, Spotify, Apple, wherever

they're listening.

Um

why should they

stay and listen to the message that you

have committed your life to spreading?

Because

everybody wants to be better, right? I

mean, everybody wants to improve their

health. And most people, especially

young people,

probably don't realize that they're

walking around right now at about 55%,

maybe 60% of their true state of normal.

There is

a nutrient, an amino acid, a substrate,

a compound, um

an element missing from their body

that if they knew what it was

would make the difference between them

being an average person and being a

superhuman. They have accepted something

as either a consequence of aging or a

consequence of stress or a consequence

of their environment, something like

brain fog, or repeated poor sleep, or

weight gain, or water retention, or not

the healthiest response to exercise, or

brain fog, or poor short-term recall, or

any number of things that they've

accepted as consequence of life, of

aging, of stress, or what have you,

it's not a consequence of any of those

things.

It's a consequence of missing raw

material.

And I'm going to describe that in detail

and tell you exactly how to put that raw

material back into your body,

and how to find out what it is that's

missing,

so you could thrive in a way that you

probably never thought possible. Who are

you? Um I'm a human biologist,

um and a researcher, biohacker. My

background is in

uh of all things mortality science. You

know, my undergraduate degrees were in

biology, my postgraduate degrees are in

human biology. I'm fascinated by the

human body, um its form, its function,

how we can improve its performance, and

I'm a researcher. You know, I spent 22

years um

as a mortality expert in the insurance

industry,

which meant that if we got 5 years of

demographic data on you, and 5 years of

medical records, we could tell the

insurance company how long you had to

live to the month. To the month? To the

month. And I get a lot of flak about

that. People say, "Oh, if you could

predict death to the month, you'd win a

Nobel Prize, or you know, only God can

tell you when you're going to die." I

mean, and that's very true. I mean,

obviously, if we do a mortality

prediction on you, it doesn't mean

December 12th, you know, 2065, you're

going to drop dead on that day.

But it is very accurate science. You

know, if you think of the most

successful financial institutions on the

planet as a category, are insurance

companies.

If you look at the failures during the

2008-2009 financial crisis, which was a

global crisis, you know, in the US, we

had 364 banks fail. You didn't have a

single life insurance company fail. No

other financial institution, no other

investment enterprise, hedge fund, angel

investor, um venture capital firm would

ever put tens of millions of dollars at

risk

on any kind of investment on one single

variable.

Yet every time a life insurance company

bets on your life or or issues an

annuity or a reverse mortgage or any

number of other financial services

instruments that are based on mortality,

they're only betting on one factor. They

don't care where you are on a mortality

curve. They want to know how many more

months does this person have left on

Earth? And they needed some of the most

accurate science on the planet.

And

they have perfected this and the good

news is

that this science is very accurate and

I'm going to share a lot of the details

of that today, but

the downside of this industry and the

reason why I left it was that

during my tenure in this career

I was not allowed to have any contact

with the patient or any contact with the

treating physician. Now, I'm not

licensed to practice medicine. I'm a

human biologist.

But if I was reading a medical record

and saw a life-threatening drug

interaction, I could not contact the

patient.

And this database where this information

is drawn from, if this database could

see the light of day

I believe it would permanently change

the face of humanity. It would upend

modern medicine in a way that would be

completely catastrophic because you see

they have information that no other

database has, no other research study,

no other you know, financial

institution, no other

university has and that is that they

know the day, the date, the time, the

location, and the cause of death for

hundreds of millions of people that they

have all of these records on.

You know, if I if I'm a cardiologist and

you come in to see me and I put a heart

stent in your heart. Well, when you

leave my office, I don't know what

happens to you two months later, two

years later, 12 years later. I don't

know if you died as a consequence of

something that went wrong with the

procedure I did or if you died of

something completely different. I don't

know exactly what kind of impact on your

life that procedure had or didn't have

Um, unless it's contained in a very

short-term clinical study.

And

uh, not that I want to go into the whole

science of mortality, but

if you had access to this database, you

would realize that the most common

ailments that we suffer from

are not diseases and pathology that are

happening to us. They are things that

are happening within us.

You know, I always say that if I was to

boil my entire career down to a single

sentence, it would be

that the presence of oxygen is the

absence of disease.

And nothing is more impactful than that

statement.

The presence of oxygen is the absence of

disease. I have yet to find a single

disease etiological pathway, something

that's happening in in the human body

causing pathology, causing disease,

dysfunction, that doesn't have its roots

in a lack of blood oxygen or its roots

is not aggravated by something called

hypoxia, lack of oxygen. In fact, all

human beings die of the same thing. We

all leave this earth the same way.

Right? We all die of hypoxia, lack of

oxygen to the brain. That's the

definition of death. Only we tend to

think of it as an event. Right? A

gunshot wound, a bus, car, a stroke,

heart attack. But the truth is, we are

on a hypoxic curve.

Meaning we are accelerating quickly or

accelerating slowly towards the grave.

And the second thing that we discovered

in this

um, voluminous data-driven industry

was that

when you deplete certain raw materials

in the human body,

you get the expression of that

deficiency. So, what I mean is, you

know, we've all heard that um,

uh, disease, you know, travels in

families or you might have genetically

inherited hypertension or genetically

inherited hypothyroid, genetically

inherited drug and alcohol addiction,

diabetes, um, depression, anxiety. These

things tend to run in families. So,

we've accepted the myth in most cases

that these are genetically inherited

diseases.

But think about this, the next time one

of your listeners gets told that, "Oh,

you have genetically inherited

hypertension." What we call uh

idiopathic hypertension, or genetically

inherited hypothyroid, or if you have

this genetically inherited disease, or

that genetically inherited disease. Stop

your physician and say, "Well,

wait a minute. We We've mapped the

entire human genome.

Um so, we know every gene in the human

body. Can you tell me what disease I

inherited from my ancestor that's

actually causing this condition?"

And watch their face go blank.

Because in the majority of cases, we

have accepted that disease travels in

families when it's actually not the

disease being passed from generation to

generation. It is the inability for

their body to refine a certain raw

material,

which causes a deficiency,

which leads to that disease.

So, in other words, there's not a single

compound known to mankind, not one,

no mineral, vitamin, amino acid,

protein, carbohydrate, no nutrient of

any kind, no element known to man, that

enters the human body

and is used in the format that we put it

in. Everything that we put into our

bodies gets taken in by the body and

converted into the usable form.

If you cannot make this conversion,

you have a deficiency.

And it is this deficiency

that leads to these conditions.

And so, if you go hunting for that

deficiency and you supplement, not for

the sake of supplementing, but you

supplement for the sake of deficiency,

magic things happen in human beings.

There is a superhuman inside of every

person listening to this podcast, and if

they actually were able to test

themselves to a genetic test and look at

what's called their methylation, how

their body refines raw materials, and

they were able to replace the deficiency

that is holding their body back from

creating adequate levels of

neurotransmitter and achieving normal

new mood, moving um

contents through the gut and achieving

normal gut function,

um elevating emotional state, deepening

their sleep, quieting their mind. All of

these conditions that society has

labeled different pathologies and

disease.

Uh

then they would begin to thrive in a way

that they just never thought possible.

It's so blatantly clear how passionate

you are about the subject matter, which

begs the question. You know, I remember

when I was reading through

your story

I I uncovered that you'd read

hundreds of peer-reviewed papers. I

think the quote was something along the

lines of Um if there's a peer-reviewed

paper on the subject matter of

biohacking and um disease and longevity

and those kinds of things, you've

basically read it. So this begs the

question to me, like why is one

individual so unbelievably passionate

about this subject matter? And

I would like you to take me as early as

you possibly can to answer that question

in your own life. Where did your

obsession, passion, where was it

fostered fostered and nurtured so that

you spent and committed your life to

this subject matter? Where did that

begin? So it actually began I I grew up

on a

very large tobacco farm. My my father

was a Navy captain, my mom was a flight

attendant, she worked for the airlines.

But we had a

a farm that we leased out to other

farmers. And surrounding this 300-acre

tobacco farm were all kinds of animal

farms. There were cattle farms, there

were chicken farms, there were

horse farms.

And I was an only child. My nearest

neighbor was miles away. In fact, from

my home you couldn't even see another

house from my parents' house until I was

in my early 20s.

And so for me to to play with another

child, I had to get on a bike and spend

half an afternoon biking to their house.

So I got very familiar with the farm and

I was always just fascinated

by the veterinarians that would come

onto these farms and fix horses and fix

cattle and fix sheep and fix chickens.

And I always thought it was so cool that

these animals could be laying on the

ground seemingly about to die and the

veterinarian would come come on board

and do a bunch of stuff and the next

thing you know this horse was up and a

few days later it was galloping back in

the field or

um you had

all kinds of strange things that would

happen on this farm and there was always

someone arriving to just fix it and I

started to get fascinated with medicine

I guess in that way. I always found it

as a way to take something that was sick

and helpless and sort of help it get

back to normal function.

And I found out in the eighth grade uh

sometime during my eighth grade year

that uh I was clinically photographic.

So I have a clinical level of

photographic recall which is different

than just having a

uh visual memory. I'm I'm clinically

photographic so I have a voluminous

capacity to recall things that I read

even if I don't understand them which is

why I never read for pleasure. Um I'm

very cautious about what I read and very

cautious about what I look at

um because I record everything. So I

can't be flying on American Airlines and

take the seat back magazine out and read

the seat back magazine because

3 months later I'll tell you where the

sales center is for a

condo project in Buenos Aires. You know

it's so I can I can fill my brain with

senseless things like that and record it

and regurgitate it um or I can fill it

full of things that that fascinate me

and so I naturally gravitated towards

science. Is that what they call a

photograph photographic memory?

Photographic memory is usually someone

that can remember seven numbers in

sequence. They have extremely good

recall for things that they visualize.

Clinically photographic is being able to

regurgitate voluminous amounts of

information with incredible accuracy. So

I still remember

you know section 15.2 sub paragraph B of

my first employment contract that I

signed 28 years ago.

Really?

Really? Yeah. I remember I remember

that. It was actually with a trading

firm

um that I signed it with so

you know when I read peer reviewed

papers um in scientific journals, uh it

doesn't make me more intelligent than

someone because very often I can recall

information that I don't understand. So,

I can regurgitate voluminous amounts of

information. So, subjects that rely on

rote memorization like chemistry,

biology, neurobiology, microbiology, a

lot of these sciences don't actually

make sense.

Right? That you just have to memorize

how they operate. Chemistry in a lot of

ways doesn't make sense. Right? Um you

just have to remember what happens when

you put these two elements together,

they create this. So, you know, when you

pull a carbon bond or you double a

carbon bond here or hydrogen bond there

that you you that the molecule shifts in

this way.

And so, I gravitated towards science. I

got my undergraduate degree in biology.

How did you do? Um I did very well. I

actually found it quite the breeze. Um

my you know, when I was an undergrad, my

you know, biology, chemistry were

considered the toughest majors. And I

went to branch campus University of

Maryland. A lot of my roommates were

political science, not investing on

political science majors at all, or

philosophy, or psychology, and they got

to party all the time, and you know, I

had

really intense classes, you know,

morphology of thallophytes and chemistry

and and you know, biomechanics and and

science and

and a lot of plant biology courses and

human biology courses.

But I was able to have the same kind of

social life that they were because I

would, you know, record a lecture and

then I would regurgitate the lecture

when I needed it during during a test.

Is it a gift or a curse? Because with

all things in life that appear to be

gifts, there's often some kind of hidden

curse. Well, the curse is that I can't I

I rarely read for pleasure. Um it's very

difficult to read for pleasure because I

record all of that information. So, when

I'm going in to read a book, you know, a

lot of people

read a book that they didn't really

like,

it doesn't stay with them. Um or they

read a fiction novel, it doesn't really

give them any benefit. It's not doesn't

doesn't feed them, but they do it to

relax or they do it for entertainment.

For me, it would take up storage.

I would record that information. So,

there's no need for me to have that

information in my possession. I find

other ways to

to relax and

and and meditate and unwind, but reading

for pleasure is just just not one of

them. So, I guess that could be a curse.

But, you know, then I went to grad

school for human biology. I went to

another 4 years of school for human

biology. So, I had 8 years of science.

And then I was um

either going to go into chiropractic or

into orthopedic medicine. I really like

the idea of orthopedics because again,

an orthopedic surgeon was somebody that

fixed people. And

you know, an internist was somebody that

just managed disease. You know, they

took a

obese hypertensive diabetic uh patient

and they just kind of managed their case

throughout their lifetime, but I felt

like an orthopedic was somebody that you

know, you came in and you had a broken

leg and

they

you know, fixed your broken leg and and

you were back to normal. I like the idea

of fixing things and and kind of

returning function back to people. And I

took some time off, uh you know, after I

got my human biology degree and I ended

up going into

a rare area of science, um this

mortality science,

um

for life insurance and secondary life

insurance

where you would take medical records and

demographic data and you would use this

in what's called a probabilistic model

to predict life expectancy.

And I was fascinated by it cuz I loved

the big data nature of it. And for years

I actually subscribed to the fact that

this was just data.

And

that

I had no influence on this person's

outcome. I didn't put them in this

position nor am I responsible for

getting them out of this position.

But, eventually I think as both my faith

grew and my awareness of the fact that

there were human beings on the other

side of these spreadsheets,

I finally made a conscious decision to

say, "What am I doing? I'm going to

spend the rest of my life just

predicting death um for the monetary

gain

of an investor

versus taking this information and

helping people live healthier, happier,

longer, more fulfilling lives. Because

by studying medical records and you

know, I read you know,

8 to 10 hours a day, 6 days a week,

thousands and thousands and thousands of

medical records and extracted from those

how we would impact somebody's outcome

of their life, you know, how how it

would impact the length of or the the

shortness of the duration of their life,

their health span or their lifespan.

And once you realize there's human

beings on the other side of the

spreadsheet, you start to feel like

you're sitting behind a thick glass wall

just watching blind people walk into

traffic.

And

towards the tail end I used to

artificially kind of manipulate the

record. I would say, "Well, what if I

what if I artificially fixed this

person's D3 deficiency? What if I cured

the anemia? What if I actually

um noticed that they had a gene mutation

called MTHFR instead of trying to fix

them with folic acid, I fixed them with

methylfolate?" And you would just see

the life expectancy jump. In the model?

In the model. Yeah. Right. And this

model was based on very large data. So,

it was very likely to have a real life

impact. And when I say we predicted

death to the month, it was based on that

patient's current position. And doesn't

mean that they couldn't walk out the the

next day and and and get hit by a bus or

or die in a commercial airline, you

know, disaster or something like that.

But there's there were standard

deviations that would account for those

kinds of risks. What the insurance

company wanted to quantify or the

annuity company or the reverse mortgage

company wanted to quantify was based on

this person's everything that we know

about this person right now, the

function of their liver, the slightly

hypoxic anemic profile that they have,

the deficiencies that they have in

vitamin D3, the suppressed immune

system,

um you know, the elevated visceral fat,

the body mass index, the bone mineral

density. Based on all of these things,

when do these things all meet and

actually cause a catastrophic event

catastrophic event? And there were

things called mortality debits and

comorbidity debits and you know, we put

all these together and I really like the

data of it. But realizing that there

were human beings on the other side of

the spreadsheet just woke me up and I

said, you know, I have this

chasm of knowledge. Even though I'm not

a physician,

I have a fundamental understanding of

human physiology. I'm fascinated by

human physiology and ways that we can

improve um lifespan and health span.

And so why wouldn't I take this

gift and get into an industry

like wellness or functional medicine

where I could actually make a

difference. Where instead of predicting

death, we could extend life. And in

doing so, help people live healthier,

happier, longer lives, more fulfilling

lives, get rid of a lot of the ailments

that people suffer from. I mean, when

you when you start to peel back the way

that modern medicine defines a lot of

conditions that we have, you know, take

um depression or anxiety or ADD or ADHD

because a lot of your listeners are

probably entrepreneurs. And a lot of

entrepreneurs have very active minds and

they've been told they have attention

deficit disorder, right? Or attention

deficit hyperactivity disorder. Well,

attention deficit disorder is not an

attention deficit at all.

Um we misdefine these things. It's an

attention overload disorder because you

see in the human brain, we don't just

create thought.

We also dismantle thought. It is just as

important for you to be able to create a

new thought or feeling as it is to

dismantle it. Right? And if you don't

degrade thought called catecholamines,

if you don't degrade them, then there's

a gene that governs this,

catechol-O-methyltransferase.

If you create thought at a faster rate

than you degrade thought, then the mind

gets very clouded. And so, attention

deficit disorder is attention overload

disorder. It's too many windows open at

the same time.

So, modern medicine says, "Well, if the

mind's racing, let's put an amphetamine

into the body, race the central nervous

system to match the pace of the mind."

And this is a very poor choice, right?

Because eventually this will burn you

out. Can actually change the

neuroplasticity of the brain. Rather

than put the right amino acids back into

the body, the right complex blend, um

the right methylated folates, so that

the mind can actually begin to quiet.

What would you say to someone that says

that ADHD is also in some ways a result

of some early trauma?

Well, you know, trauma's always

fascinating to me. Trauma can trigger

methylation. Trauma can interrupt the

methylation cycle.

Right? But the the idea in modern

medicine that you have some kind of

trauma, you have a disrupted

relationship with your

mother, for example, and that somehow

we're going to go and put

neuroplasticity altering chemicals into

the brain, and it's going to fix this

30-year broken relationship you have

with your mother. To me,

it doesn't Yeah, yeah, yeah. make any

sense, right? And so, it's not at all to

poopoo trauma, to to to put trauma down.

Depression really exists, anxiety really

exists, but but if you actually look at

how we define these conditions, take

depression, for example. We define

depression, at least in America, we

define depression as an inadequate

supply of serotonin.

Right? So, if you're a low in serotonin,

you're by definition depressed. So, then

you would think that the solution would

be to raise serotonin.

Right? If we define depression as low

serotonin, you'd think that the solution

would be to raise serotonin, but that's

not what we do. We take people that are

depressed and we put them on SSRIs,

selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors.

And what these do is they ration what

little serotonin these people have.

So, by definition, it never raises

serotonin. So, by definition, it never

ends depression. I mean, I have I have

clients come in to see me all the time,

and and and and our clinical team and

then I'll say, "Well, how long have you

been on antidepressants?" They say, "15

years, 18 years." And my first question

is, "Well, when did you think it was

going to kick in?"

Right? So, if we understand that

serotonin is actually methylated in the

gut, this process that I'm talking about

is called methylation. We actually make

serotonin from an amino acid called

tryptophan, the one that's famous for

making you sleepy after Thanksgiving

dinner. I know you guys don't have

Thanksgiving in the UK, but I'm from

America, but um so, you guys we eat a

lot of turkey on Thanksgiving and turkey

has a lot of tryptophan. So, when you

take um tryptophan methylate it into the

neurotransmitter serotonin, of which 90%

resides in your gut.

Methylate is basically processing.

Yeah, the processing. It's like the

refining process. Crude oil gets refined

into gasoline.

Amino acids get methylated into

neurotransmitters. Okay. And so, this

process of methylation

when it's broken and and it can be

relatively easy to fix. When it's broken

it means that we have an impaired

ability to create. We have an impaired

ability to um refine a raw material and

it leads to this deficit. Well,

serotonin for example, 90% of it resides

in your gut. So, if you don't have it

here, you can't have it here. So,

depression rarely begins in the outside

environment. It usually begins in the

gut. Now, it may be trauma that led to

the deficiency.

But, the fix is not in a chemical or

synthetic or pharmaceutical blocking the

brain's capacity to uptake these

neurotransmitters. The fix is in

restoring adequate levels to the body so

it can naturopathically make its way

back up the vagus nerve and and arrive

to the brain. Sim- similar things are

true with anxiety. I mean, if you

actually have ever suffered from or know

somebody who's suffered from anxiety, if

you ask them three questions, you can

find out very quickly that their anxiety

is not coming from a cluster of

symptoms. It's not coming from their

outside environment. It is coming from

within them. It's coming from their

physiology.

Right? I mean, if you know someone who's

suffering from anxiety and you say well

have you had anxiety on and off

throughout your lifetime?

The most of the time they'll say yes.

And then if you say can you point to the

specific trigger that causes it?

Very often they'll say no.

I mean yes I know some of my triggers

but I could be sitting in a podcast just

like this in a very calm environment

there's no threats around and all of a

sudden I get overwhelmed by anxiety. I

can be driving home from work on an

otherwise innocuous day and I can be

overwhelmed by anxiety. Well that is not

coming from your outside environment.

Right? This is coming from a process

called methylation and it is caused from

excess catecholamines entering the brain

and an inability to down regulate these.

So the body's entering this mild fight

or flight response without the presence

of a fear.

See remember that as sophisticated as we

like to think our brains are it's really

not. Our brain is very primal.

You know what the brain cares about? The

brain cares about survival.

And so doesn't care how fat or skinny

you are how pretty or

ugly you are it doesn't care about your

skin your hair it cares about survival.

And so when we understand that the brain

does not know the difference between

perception and reality

we start to understand how it can play

tricks on us. So I always use the

example that let's say you drove home

tonight

and you got out of your car when you got

home you got out of your car and

somebody was standing in front of you

with a knife.

It's a very real threat. Right? You'd

have a fight or flight response. Your

pupils would dilate your heart rate

would increase your extremities would

flood with blood your hearing would get

very acute your brain would flood with

catecholamines you're getting ready to

fight or flight.

But you could also be laying on the 30th

floor of a condo building in bed and

start thinking about getting eaten by a

shark.

There is zero chance of a shark getting

out of the ocean going up a 30th floor

elevator. Right? Coming into your condo

and biting you in that bed but you can

have the exact same response.

If you're watching a movie or something.

Exactly. So one is entirely real one is

entirely perceived. The physiological

response is identical.

So now once we understand this, now we

begin to understand how I can feel the

presence of a fear, which is what

anxiety is. It's a fear of something

happening in the future. Usually it's

not going to happen. Usually hasn't

happened in the past and is not likely

to happen. But it's it's this fear

starts to build up. You start to get

very anxious. It can actually change

your heart rate um to the point where

you can panic attacks can land you in

the hospital.

Um or it can be mild enough that it just

causes you anxiousness. Mild anxiety.

But there's no presence of a fear. And

so you start trying to correlate it to

your outside environment. Starts to

drive you crazy because you go, "Well, I

don't get it. I'm on vacation with my

wife and or my spouse and my kids and

I'm in the resort of a lifetime. I've

been here a thousand times. I love this

place. There's no reason I should feel

like this." But all of a sudden you have

this feeling of anxiousness, anxiety. So

these are these are lack of raw material

in the human body. My mission is to try

to help people by taking a genetic test

um once in their lifetime, find out

where is methylation broken, and then

stop supplementing just for the sake of

supplementing, and start supplementing

for this deficiency so your body can

thrive. In the case of people that are

listening to this now and they can

pinpoint the moments where they've

gotten anxiety. So say they've I

remember I had one guest on the podcast

maybe two years ago

and after he became famous, he developed

social anxiety.

Mhm. So he whenever he would be with

around a lot of people, he'd feel that

sense of anxiety. And then from that

sort of capitalistic moment, then when

he's at home, he'd get the same rush of

anxiety, but he would point to that

capitalistic moment of becoming famous,

and then some things had happened in his

life, and then he'd get anxiety at home

when nothing was going on. Right.

In that situation, what's the the

nutrient

you go. So so now you've you've you've

interrupted methylation because there is

one where there is the presence of fear

and there's one where there isn't. Yeah,

there's the absence of a fear. So to be

very specific, anxiety, true anxiety

does exist, but you can point to the

specific trigger that causes it. So, for

example, if you if you have a fear of

heights and you walk to the edge of a

30th floor balcony and look over it,

you're going to feel anxiety. If you're

claustrophobic and you step on a really

crowded elevator, you're going to feel

anxiety. But, if you're claustrophobic

and you're sitting at home

and you start to become overwhelmed with

anxiety, this is actually not coming

from that trigger. This is coming from

your physiology. And the way that we

deal with stress, right? And like

cortisol, when you measure cortisol

levels, cortisol's not really a measure

of how much stress is in your life, it's

a measure of your body's reaction to

stress. So, why are some people more

resilient to stress and don't have

anxiety attacks and why are other people

not as resistant? Again, this is not to

say that if you didn't have

a violent attack in your life or or a

terrible car accident that sometimes

when you've had a

you know, a a vehicle accident and you

approach an intersection,

the the the

the memory of having been T-boned, you

know, recently and badly injured is

going to give you anxiety. But, the

majority of people are not suffering

from that type of hyper-specific

situational anxiety. They're suffering

from something called generalized

anxiety or idiopathic anxiety, which

means of unknown origin. So, for

somebody who's very famous and gets into

a a crowd and doesn't know who's coming

at them, that's a very I wouldn't even

define that as anxiety. That's a very

primal instinctual reaction to a real

fear. Mhm. Right? Just like walking to

the edge of a 30th floor balcony. What's

not a primal reaction to a real fear is

when there is no presence of a fear,

especially if that incident has never

happened and you aren't even sure what

you are afraid of or why you are anxious

or why you have anxiety, then this is

coming from your physiology. So, how

would you treat that? You look at the

different There are five major

actionable genes that I like to look at

and they're what's it called their sub

alleles. And when you find out what

they're deficient in, you start to

supplement with things like SAM-e,

S-adenosylmethionine,

methylated forms of vitamins,

L-methionine, the the proper balance of

B complex,

methylated forms of folic acid or folate

called methylfolate. And what happens is

now the body has the capacity to degrade

these neurotransmitters that are causing

this fight or flight. This group of

neurotransmitters called catecholamines

and the anxiousness that follows. And

you'll find that the majority of people

that suffer from idiopathic anxiety or

generalized anxiety because of low

serotonin, they also have gut issues.

You show me a person that's truly

depressed and I'll show you somebody

that's also suffering from severe gut

issues. Either gas or bloating or

diarrhea, constipation, irritability,

cramping because the same

neurotransmitters that affect these

emotional states also are responsible

for the motility of the gut, the speed

of the gut. This is the most overlooked

thing in all of bariatric medicine

because

people that believe that they have all

of these allergies. Well, I'm allergic

to wheat, soy, corn, dairy, blueberries,

bananas,

uh you know, gluten.

Yes, sometimes those individual

allergies do exist, but the majority of

time even if you talk to somebody who

says, "Yeah, I I I get bloated or I deal

with gas or cramping or diarrhea or

constipation or irritability. I deal

with all of these gut issues, irritable

bowel syndrome, uh Crohn's Crohn's

disease, ulcerative colitis." All these

names that we give to conditions of the

gut. When you ask them, "Well, what are

you allergic to?"

And they give you this laundry list of

things. And then you ask them another

question and say, "Well, if you're

really allergic to corn,

is there ever a time that you can eat

corn and not have a reaction?" Majority

of time people will say yes.

Okay, well, right there you know you

don't have an allergy. Allergies are not

transient, allergies are consistent.

Right? You don't wake up Monday morning

and being allergic to milk and then

you're unallergic on Wednesday afternoon

and then reallergic on Saturday morning.

But what happens when people have gut

issues that they can't explain is they

always correlate it to what they last

ate. And it's hard to make this

connection. They're like, "Well, wait a

second. I ate the same thing Monday and

I was fine and I ate the identical food

on Wednesday and I blew up like a tick."

So, this is not an allergy. This has to

do with the motility of the gut. So, if

you don't know what gene mutation you

have that is causing a deficiency, then

you don't know what to supplement with

to restore gut motility. But once you

do,

the gut goes back to its normal pace.

What's gut motility? It's the pace of

the gut. So, if you remember Henry Ford

was actually not made famous for the

automobile. He's made famous for

something called the assembly line. So,

the assembly line was just a glorified

conveyor belt, right? And when you

walked into his factory, they put a part

on it at one end and about every 6 ft

somebody stood and tinkered with that

part. So, it went to me, I tinkered with

it, it moved to the guy to my right, he

did something to it, moved to the guy to

his right, and by the time it reached

the end of that conveyor belt, it's

fully assembled. This is very analogous

to how the human intestinal tract works.

It's 30 ft long. It's a giant conveyor

belt. You put parts on it at one end as

they exit the stomach in a very acidic

environment and it moves slowly towards

the rectum and before it exits the

rectum, it's in a relatively alkaline

environment. So, instead of having

people standing along a conveyor belt,

you have bacteria that are graded by pH.

This sequence is very important.

So, imagine what would happen if Henry

Ford walked into his factory one day and

doubled the speed of the conveyor belt.

The entire assembly line would break

down. Not because there's anything wrong

with the parts, the contents, not

because there's anything wrong with the

people that are working there, the

bacteria, but because you changed the

speed. What if he went in there one day

and reversed the the conveyor belt? What

if he just ran it in the opposite

direction?

Screw up. Just It would screw the whole

thing up, right? So, by changing the

pace of the gut, the speed of the gut,

the conveyor belt, I've I've ruined this

sequence of events. And I spend a

lifetime trying to figure out what's

wrong with the parts, what's wrong with

the workers, what's wrong with the

conveyor belt itself. Nothing.

It's how quickly or slowly it's running

because the motility, this peristaltic

activity, is affected. And once you

supplement for this deficiency and you

return that activity to normal, you find

that

all of a sudden these strange allergies

eviscerate and all of this gas and

bloating and diarrhea and constipation

and irritability and all of this

inability to equate things that I'm

eating back to what is going on in my

gut seem to go away.

It's It's true with all kinds of

conditions. You know, we we have

subscribed in this world to the fact

that we are so affected by disease and

pathology. And once I get you to

to subscribe to the fact that you have a

disease and you can get you to subscribe

to a lifetime of medication.

You know, this is true in hypertension.

You know, it's another huge, you know,

we think genetically inherited disease.

And a lot of families have, you know,

grandfather had high blood pressure, um

dad had high blood pressure. Now the son

has high blood pressure. So, they go,

"Oh, it's genetic. It's genetically

inherited high blood pressure." Okay,

well,

what gene is being passed down from

these generations to cause this? Well,

they don't know.

Okay, well, then we know all of the

genes. So, if we don't know what gene it

is, then let's look at the methylation

genes. Let's look at the genes in the

human body that refine raw materials.

Because if you have a certain

deficiency, for example, in

hypertension, very often, not always,

but very often it's it's caused by

elevated levels of an amino acid called

homocysteine.

You have in your bloodstream right now,

I have in my bloodstream, every listener

to this podcast has homocysteine in

their blood. Because we we in in the

process of normally refining this amino

acid into something called methionine,

we

um we keep this level at a reasonable

level. But when you can't break

homocysteine down, it rises. When

homocysteine rises, it's very irritating

to what's called the endothelial lining

of the blood vessel. It in it irritates

the lining of the blood vessel. Well,

when you irritate a blood vessel, it

clamps down.

Well, if you make the pipes smaller in a

fixed system,

pressure goes up.

You have 63,000 mi of blood vessel in

your body. It doesn't take much

narrowing to drive pressure up. And so

these people end up with hypertension,

high blood pressure, and they go to the

doctor, and the doctor does an EKG, it's

normal. An EEG, it's normal. Stress EKG,

it's normal. Cardiac cath, normal. Heart

and lung sounds, normal. Dye contrast

study, normal. The entire cardiac

workup's normal.

And then they still start pounding on

the heart with medication because they

can't figure out why

the blood pressure's up, but they never

actually looked at what raw material was

missing in their body not allowing them

to bring homocysteine down and allowing

the vascular system to relax.

As the vascular system relaxes, pressure

returns to normal.

You spent 22 years

at that insurance company looking at the

database that you described. Um

and as you're as you're saying there,

you know,

much of the sort of medical profession

and I think most of society

Yeah, and I don't want to attack the

medical profession. I really you know,

I'm in no I am a huge lover and believer

in modern medicine. It's saved people

very close to me. I mean and trust me,

if I had a windshield at 20 miles an

hour, I want a surgeon, I want

painkillers, I'm going to the ER. But

there's been this kind of this it's not

a preventive approach to disease that

we've taken over the last couple of

decades. It really is, you know, to to

put a band-aid on something that's

that's emerged. And as you said at the

start of this conversation, these

predicaments, these um diseases emerge

decades before we even see the symptoms

often times. Um at the end of your 22

years at the insurance company, you

started to

look at these things which you call

modifiable risk factors.

Yes. What is a modifiable risk factor?

And what are the most common modifiable

risk factors in your view? Well, I mean,

one of the most common ones that I saw

was um modifiable risk factor is

it's a risk factor that you have

and if you changed it, it would have

modified it, it would have a

demonstrative impact on the trajectory

of your life. So, for example, anemia,

right? Low low hemoglobin, low red blood

cell count, low oxygen transport in the

blood will exacerbate just about any

condition that you have, right? So, if

you are hypertensive and anemic, if you

are diabetic and anemic, if you are

morbidly obese and anemic, um meaning

you have low blood oxygen because you

have low red blood cells, low

hemoglobin,

what if you could modify the anemia?

Well, if you could modify the anemia,

carry more oxygen in the blood, you'd be

much more resilient to all of these

conditions.

Right? So, the same thing is true with

dementia and Alzheimer's and and uh

cognitive function. As you impair

cognitive function, you increase the

incidence of all-cause mortality. So, a

modifiable risk factor would be

something like um looking at the levels

of vitamin D3 in the blood blood in the

body. So, it's estimated that roughly

50% of the world's population is

clinically deficient in vitamin D3. Why

is that important? Um well, vitamin D3

is the only vitamin that a human being

can make on our own. There's hundreds of

vitamins in your bloodstream right now.

You're only capable of making one.

And it's vitamin D3, cholecalciferol. We

make it from sunlight and cholesterol.

You don't even need to eat to make this

vitamin. There is not a single cell in

the entire human body that does not have

a receptor site for this vitamin. It

also acts like a hormone. It's calcium

transport molecule. It's enormously

impactful in your um immune system.

Clinical deficiency in vitamin D3 was at

one time the second leading cause of

morbidity in COVID. You know, when they

said COVID disproportionately affected

minorities. If you ever heard that, it's

true. So, how did COVID

disproportionately affect minorities? It

wasn't like the virus didn't start going

after certain minority populations.

Well, it actually did, but it wasn't

because they were not minorities. It had

to do with the pigment of their skin.

The darker the pigmentation of your

skin, the lower the vitamin D3. The

lower the vitamin D3, the more

compromised the immune system. The more

compromised the immune system, the more

susceptible you are to attack. That

suggests that if you have darker skin

like I do, that you should spend more

time in the sunlight. Yes, it does.

It absolutely does. I mean, you and I,

just based on our skin tone, if you and

I in a pair of board shorts went out and

spent 30 minutes in sunlight, I would

manufacture about 25,000 IUs,

international units of vitamin D3, you

would manufacture about 3,500. [ __ ]

hell, that's not fair.

It's not fair.

We can run faster.

But, you also

you also look better older and you don't

age, you don't get wrinkles as much, you

have better oily skin. There's some

trade-offs. So, so when you look at, you

know, African-American populations,

Latino populations, Middle Eastern

populations, they're the percentage of

vitamin D3 deficiency approaches 85%,

right? The truth is most of us are not

getting enough sun. It's not where that

we're getting too much. So, let's talk

about the depletion of this one

nutrient. Can I just ask them before we

move on to the depletion of that

nutrient?

Cuz I want to understand why that is.

I'm my guess was that because people

with darker skins have grown up in

sunlight, we spend more time in in the

sunlight, I'm guessing, which meant that

we adjusted our production of vitamin D3

to suit the environment we lived in.

Yeah, you actually have a better

barrier, right? You are um less

susceptible to skin damage from sunlight

than someone with lighter skin, right?

And so, if you actually look because I

used to be a population mortality

expert, um you know, the hot the longest

life expectancies um were centered right

around the equator of the earth. If you

look at most of the blue zones, they're

going to be

sort of closer to the equator of the

earth. They're going to be closer to

places where the sun shines longer

periods of time throughout the year.

The blue zones? The blue zones are

Sorry, the blue zones are areas of the

world where people live um

extraordinarily long life expectancies,

right? Mediterranean diets. So,

the longest life expectancies are

centered around the the equator. So, for

every 20° um uh

latitude, um cuz this is longitude,

every 20° latitude, there's a

precipitous drop in life expectancy

until you get to the poles,

where when I started in this industry, a

um the lowest the shortest life

expectancy on earth existed. So, when I

was born in 1970, a true Eskimo had a

56-year life expectancy. A 56-year life

expectancy had 56.

True Eskimo. So, these are these are at

the poles. Now, why? Because they would

go months without seeing the sun. And

when they did see the sun, they were

layered up. So, they had brittle bone

disease, they had autoimmune disease,

they had immunocompromised

conditions, all kinds of conditions that

go with severe depletion in vitamin D3.

And so, I would see this in the medical

record all the time, right? I would see

medical record after medical record, you

know, a patient has been had a decade or

longer of clinical deficiency in vitamin

D3. Well, when you deplete this nutrient

and you don't supplement for it. By the

way, vitamin D3 is so easy to supplement

for. Everybody should be taking vitamin

D3 unless you're getting adequate

sunlight.

5,000 IUs of D3 with 80 micrograms of

K2.

And you know, you you deplete this

nutrient, eventually you will develop

rheumatoid arthritis-like symptoms. Now,

you don't have rheumatoid arthritis, but

you have you have the same identical

symptoms when you're depleted in vitamin

D3. You start waking up sore and achy

like you had a workout the night before

when you haven't. The soles of your feet

and your ankles are tender when you get

out of bed in the morning to walk to the

bathroom, take your first pee. Um, your

your knees and hips and ankles start to

stiffen up. Then it goes to cross the

shoulders and eventually it's hard to

make a really tight fist. Well, if you

go to the wrong physician,

family medicine practitioner that's

seeing a lot of high volume of patients,

you start to give them that description,

they go, "You know what? You got you got

rheumatoid arthritis. I'm going to hit

you with something called

corticosteroids. I'm going to put you on

some prednisone first and then we're

going to transition you to a

corticosteroid like a methotrexate or

one of these

and and you're going to be fine. You

know, you you know, it's it's going to

push this off into the future." Well, we

knew that if you started corticosteroids

that at first they had an

anti-inflammatory effect, but you had

roughly 6 years and 1 day until you're

having a joint replacement. Because

first they're anti-inflammatory, but

then they eat the joint like a termite.

And so it was so accurate that if you

were a 60-year-old female and you were

misdiagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis

because you had a vitamin D3 deficiency,

I would artificially advance your age 6

years. I would schedule the joint

replacement that wasn't required, by the

way. I'll schedule the joint replacement

and then I would begin to reduce what's

called your ambulatory profile, how well

you ambulate, how well you move.

And we know now that sitting is the new

smoking, right? Sedentary lifestyle is

the leading cause of all cause

mortality. And so as I start to reduce

your ambulatory profile, I'm bringing

all of the diseases that exacerbate with

reduced motility.

So, if I back this up,

you were diagnosed with a condition that

you didn't have

because you had a deficiency in a very

simple nutrient. So, then you were put

on a medication that wasn't required.

This caused you to have surgery that you

didn't need because to replace a joint

that wasn't initially going to be

defective. This reduced your mobility

and it brought diseases forward that you

never would have caught and you died

early from a condition you never would

have had because you had a deficiency in

a nutrient that was misdiagnosed,

mistreated, and led to your early

demise. And I could give you hundreds of

examples like this, and this is why, if

you look at the 2016 Harvard study, the

2019 Johns Hopkins study,

medical error is the third leading cause

of death. Medical error?

Medical error. Is that misdiagnosis?

Misdiagnosis and medical error.

The average American

over 50, 52,

is on five prescription medications.

These are synthetic chemical

pharmaceuticals,

right? And in a lot of cases, we don't

know the long-term side effects of

these. In a lot of these cases, we

actually don't even know the mechanism

by which they work. If you actually open

the PDR that comes with the the the

disclaimer that comes with a lot of

these medications, you'll see that they

say mechanism of action unknown.

Well, it's a sleep medication. How does

it make me sleep? I don't know.

Just makes you sleep, right? In fact,

most people that are suffering from from

sleep issues are suffering from sleep

issues not because they can't sleep, not

because they're not tired, because their

mind is keeping them awake.

Right? If you have a gene mutation

called COMT,

catechol-O-methyltransferase,

then what happens to you is you lay down

to go to sleep,

and there's nothing more frustrating

than one spouse having this gene

mutation and one not, right?

god, I think you're talking about me and

my partner.

I'm the one that that I need some like

sound or something to go to sleep

because she's just out like a light.

There you go. See, and nothing's more

frustrating because so annoying. I

sometimes sleep in another room Okay, so

the reason why you're not falling asleep

is because when your environment quiets,

your mind wakes up.

And if you actually hone in on the kind

of things you're thinking about, you're

thinking about the most innocuous little

nonsense,

right? I mean, it's like did I get

everything on my grocery list? Did my

belt match my shoes today? Did I return

that email? It's nothing that couldn't

wait till the next day. 100%. Yeah, and

so and sometimes you can even catch

yourself going, "What am I doing?"

Thinking about the color of dishes I'm

going to have if I threw a party, which

I'm probably not going to throw. I just

like, how did I get down this rabbit

hole, right? And um this is because, you

know, the you're not quieting the mind

at the pace that you are

exciting the mind. So, in other words,

when you lay down to go to sleep and

your environment quiets, your mind

starts to wake up. So, you need to be

distracted so that your mind doesn't

continue to run. But, if you just put

the right amino acid balance, in fact, I

would bet my career you have this gene

mutation.

I will pay for your test if you don't.

It's $599. It's a cheek swab you do once

in your lifetime and it will tell you if

you have this gene mutation, COMT. And

if you do, I'll tell you exactly what

supplement to take and it will become a

permanent thing of your past.

What supplement should I take?

Don't end your sentence there, Gary.

So, it's called L-methionine.

Oh, I've heard And you take

L-methionine, you take methylfolate,

and depending on where the gene break is

and how severe it is, you add you may

add something called SAM-e,

S-adenosylmethionine.

And these sound like fancy names,

they're just fancy names for vitamins

and amino acids. They you all of these

are in your bloodstream right now. So,

when you look at the sequence of breaks

that somebody has, then you can tell

them exactly what supplement to take.

When they take the supplement, their

body's no longer deficient.

Right? Deficiencies over time express

themselves as all kinds of things. You

know, there's a lot of people that can't

reach elevated emotional states for any

prolonged period of time. This is

because mood and emotional states are

recipes, just like a

you know, a chef

bakes a recipe. But, if you went to a

bakery chef and you said,

"You can bake whatever you want.

You just can't use butter."

Okay, doesn't sound like a big deal.

It's just one ingredient. But, think of

the number of cookies, pastries, pies,

brownies, you know, that it would

affect. It would affect so many

different recipes just by removing one

ingredient. This is the same thing that

happens in human beings. If you couldn't

use serotonin to assemble mood, okay,

now any emotional state that requires

that neurotransmitter as a part of its

structure, you can't assemble.

And as it relates to that mutation, you

when when you people hear the term

mutation, they think of it as being

something that's happened in me. And I'm

maybe, you know,

one of a few that have that mutation.

Mutation sounds like a uh Yeah, it does

sound it sounds it does sound like an

alien's about to start like growing out

of your stomach.

it sounds like it you know, my sister

won't have it and it's just me.

Okay, so a gene mutation means that, you

know, we we get a copy of our genes from

each parent. Yeah. Right? And then these

the the copy of these genes is passed

down to us. And we know you know, most

of us are familiar with basic genetics.

Eye color, skin color, detached ear

lobes. Um but there's nothing you can do

with that information.

So beyond your ancestry, you know,

whether you got Irish heritage or Native

American Indian or or what have you. I

mean, those are if you did a 23andMe,

you'd be able to find your ancestry,

which is also your genetic history.

That's not actionable information.

When you look at the genes of

methylation,

right? And there are several of them. I

look at five majors and a few minors.

When you look at the genes of

methylation, these are the genes that

code for how materials are taken into

the body, are refined into the usable

form.

And these are not mutations that you're

going to suffer from. What they do is

they they they

cause deficiencies to arise in the body.

And it's this deficiency that leads to

the expression of these conditions.

And so when you can't adequately

methylate neurotransmitters, you have a

deficiency in a certain

neurotransmitter. Any mood, any

emotional state that requires that

neurotransmitter, you can't assemble. If

you have a deficiency in the ability to

quiet the mind, then you have excess um

neurotransmitters in the brain, which

cause it to stay in awaken state. So,

that gene that is responsible for my

loud mind when I go to sleep.

Mhm.

Do you have any idea the amount of

people that have that particular gene?

Well, 44% of the world's population has

a gene mutation called MTHFR,

methylene tetrahydrofolate reductase.

This is a

genetic mutation that impairs the

ability to convert folate into

methylfolate or folic acid into

methylfolate.

And that might not sound like a big

deal, but folic acid is one of the most

prevalent nutrients in the human diet.

And the thing about folic acid is that

folic acid is an entirely man-made

chemical.

Folic acid is not found anywhere on the

surface of the earth. You can't find

folic acid anywhere naturally in nature.

And yet, we give folic acid

to pregnant women when they get pregnant

because we tell pregnant women that

folic acid prevents neural tube defects.

Well, that's patently false. Folic acid

doesn't prevent anything. Folic acid has

to be converted

first into tetrahydrofolate then

dihydrofolate, but eventually it becomes

something called methylfolate. And that

prevents a neural tube defect. Well,

what if like 44% of the population and

44% of women, this woman has this gene

mutation and you give her folic acid,

the man-made version of folate, and she

can't convert it into methylfolate. This

is where postpartum depression develops.

And you know, I have not seen a single

peer-reviewed published clinical study

linking elevated levels of of

uh

hormones in female pregnancy to

postpartum depression. But if you give a

woman that can't methylate folic acid

1,400% of the daily allowance of folic

acid and she can't break it down, then

she goes nuts. And then eventually the

pregnancy ends, the depression goes

away, and so So blames it on the

pregnancy, not on the vitamin.

And you know, we do this over and over

and over again. You know, we have in in

in the modern industrial world, we try

to synthesize what occurs naturally in

nature in a laboratory. You know,

there's three types of B12, right?

Adenosylcobalamin, Hydroxocobalamin,

Methylcobalamin. These forms of B12

occur naturally in nature. There's one

that we make synthetically in a

laboratory. It's called Cyanocobalamin.

We make it from hydrogen cyanide.

It is useless in the human body. The

human body actually has to take it and

convert it into the active form of B12

called Hydroxocobalamin. And so, a lot

of times the supplements that we're

taking us are causing more harm than

good and we're taking them because the

doctor said, "Well, I'm pregnant. My

OBGYN told me to take this synthetic

chemical called folic acid which it's

always beyond me why anyone would think

that something that we make in a

laboratory that's entirely synthetic

that isn't natural, that isn't found

anywhere on the surface of the earth

could ever be required for optimal

health."

I mean, just in its on its surface that

sounds

strange to me. But,

you know, yet we do and we don't

understand this process of methylation.

So if you Once you understand where your

genetic mutations are, where the genetic

inability to refine raw materials is,

you can go about supplementing targeted

supplementing for that deficiency. So

you would recommend people take a

genetic test to find out these answers,

right?

everyone take that test once in their

lifetime. You know, I

I'm I'm in the camp that we're as humans

we're not broken. Like we're not broken.

You know what I mean? And so whenever

there's something going on in my body or

you know, a way that I am or a habit I

have that I'm like, "Why do I do that?"

I'm always trying to figure out the sort

of I guess the ancestral reason why that

might have helped me to survive or

what's going on. So when I hear

mutation, it's it sounds a little bit

like broken to Yeah, yeah. So I

shouldn't use the I mean, we we use the

term mutation, but basically, you know,

in our ancestry, right? We pass on our

entire genetic code. Which a lot of that

is hair color, eye color, skin color,

you know, our our our heritage. But we

also pass on how our body refines

certain raw materials. And it's not to

say that it's good or or or bad or or

broken or fixed, but there are certain

families and human beings that have an

inability to refine certain raw

materials. And if we could be aware of

this, it is astounding what happens to

human beings when you just give their

body the raw material to do its job. You

know, lots of people that have attention

deficit disorder or have trouble

sleeping will

also have a trouble trouble with

prioritization. They just don't know it.

They'll say things like, "I work really

well under pressure." Right, most

entrepreneurs say, "I work really well

under pressure." Do you say that? Oh my

god. Okay. So let me I only work when

there is pressure.

So I was like getting to school that

we'd only do the test when you know,

there was an hour left to go or you

know, the homework or whatever. Yeah, so

many entrepreneurs are that way. And and

when you say you work really well under

pressure, physiologically what you're

saying is, "I lack the ability to set

priorities internally. So I use external

pressure to set my priorities." And why

is that? It's because when you don't

have the right methylated nutrients in

the body, you lend equal weight to every

thought that comes into your mind.

Right? So you could be working on

you know, the deal, the joint venture,

business closing of a lifetime. Right?

And you got the contract and you have 45

minutes to get it back to your lawyer

you know, the deal's permanently going

to go away. This is a life-changing

deal. You've

waited for this your entire life. It's a

very meaningful event. You're working

your way through this legal document and

you look over at your phone and there's

an Instagram message. And you're like,

"Oh, that's my neighbor's cousin's kid

fishing in the lake.

You know, I wonder if he catches a

fish."

So you start looking at it and you're

like to he's still casting. Oh, he

didn't catch it that time. Now,

meanwhile,

this has gone from 45 minutes to 35

minutes.

And now it's down to 25 minutes. And all

of a sudden you go,

"Oh, no crap." You turn the phone off,

which didn't mean anything anyway, and

you focus all of your attention and

because you're very intelligent and you

and you execute and you can hyperfocus,

you hyperfocus on this and you worm your

way through it. And 1 minute before the

deadline, you hit the send button.

Lawyer gets it. The deal goes through

and you go,

"I work really well under pressure."

What what's that called? That process

you described there is many people

describe that as procrastination. Mhm.

It's procrastination, but it's

procrastination because you give equal

weight to all of these different

variants that come into your and that

come into your your field. So, you

actually give equal priority

to very disequal events. But also, you

know, sometimes if I'm looking at that

contract, the contract clause is a

little bit difficult. And my attempt to

maybe dis escape discomfort would be

I'll just go do the dishes. Mhm. Right?

And that And so, I had Nir Eyal on the

podcast. He wrote a book called

Indistractable and he says we're

creatures that we're not we're not

pleasure-seeking creatures. We're

creatures that are avoiding discomfort

essentially. I think that aging

is the aggressive pursuit of comfort.

Could not agree with you more.

Let's use Dana White as an example.

Okay. Because, you know, the reason why

I came across your work is because of a

clip that

you know, involved Dana White and I'm

sure you I know you get this a lot

because I've seen you um be asked about

this in interviews, but for context for

anybody listening, I don't know where I

was or Ah, now I know what happened. My

friend sent into a WhatsApp group a clip

of Dana White talking about you. Mhm.

And that's the clip that made me

go down the rabbit hole. Oh. I watched

that clip. I then did some research. I

then watched a series of videos of you

online talking about health and I

watched you asking audience members to

stand up and name the you know the

health issue they were suffering and you

on the spot told them what was missing

from that their life, their diet,

whatever it might have been. You kind of

diagnosed them in a way of Um and then I

reached out to you on Instagram and

that's why you're here. But if we go

back to the start of that, it was that

story that Dana White told that had me

so compelled to to reach out to you. For

anybody that doesn't know and there will

be some people that don't know, Dana

White is the president of the UFC which

is the the

the the big fighting tournament where

everybody kicks each other's heads in.

So

what's your take on the the Dana White

story? So, Dana White is a an example, I

mean he's just a celebrity example, but

he is a shining example of the vast

number of people, you know, men and

women in his age category

that have given up on the capacity to

thrive. They've accepted that they have

hypothyroidism, hypertension, they wake

up sore and aching in the mornings, that

they don't have a response to exercise,

they have a little bit of spare tire,

they're brain foggy, they're on three or

four medications. In his case he was on

seven

medications at the time, three of which

were for blood pressure.

Um he was on, you know, I think a

thyroid medication, was also on He's

been very public about this by the way.

And and again I have to say I'm not

licensed to practice medicine, so it was

my clinical team that that came up with

the diagnosis and I communicated it to

Dana. Um I do train physicians to read

blood work and genetic testing, but I

can't practice medicine.

But the the point is that

when I met Dana

all he wanted to do was for me to

predict his life expectancy. And I

hadn't done that in almost seven years.

I left that industry for a reason, I

don't do it anymore. The test that I do

does not predict life expectancy. The

genetic test and the blood work that I

do will not tell you how long you're

going to live. I have no interest in

predicting death anymore. I only have an

interest in extending life.

And

you know, when when Dana was only

interested in me predicting his death.

So, I said, "Okay, for Dana White, I'll

come out. I'll meet with you.

I'll do a blood test on you, a gene test

on you. I'll pull all your medical

records, and I'll give you your life

expectancy."

But, what I did was went out and got his

blood work and his gene test, and

um I was actually in bed

at 1:30 in the morning when the lab was

running his blood work. And I've had

seven life-threatening alert calls um in

the middle of the night because when you

drop blood work off at the lab, the lab

runs it through the night. If they find

a life-threatening alert, they call the

account holder, right? So, um I own the

company. I was on the account. So,

LabCorp calls us at 1:00, 1:30 in the

morning, says, "Hey, we have a

life-threatening alert on a patient." I

was like, "Whoa.

Um

what's this patient's name?" They said,

"Last name's White." I said,

"Dana White?" They said, "Yeah." And I

go, "Whoa. What's the uh

life-threatening alert?" They said,

"Triglycerides are almost 800."

Now, triglycerides are a measure of

blood fat. Okay? It shouldn't be above

149.