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How Many ETFs Should You Really Own? (European investor)

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How Many ETFs Should You Really Own? (European investor)

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A few days ago, a friend asked me to

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look at his ETF portfolio and over my 19

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years of professional investment

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experience, both on Wall Street and here

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in Europe, I had never seen anything

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this ridiculous. My friend had 22

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different ETFs, active and passive

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funds, large cap and small cap, many

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overlapping regions and strategies. This

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portfolio was clearly built to maximize

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fees for the private banker who

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recommended it. Nobody in Europe needs

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22 different ETFs, but how many do you

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need for an optimal diversified

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portfolio? As with all important

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questions, the answer depends on who you

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are. So, let me walk you through a few

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different case studies of my investing

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students and what they decided. And I

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will share why I personally sometimes

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have as many as 10 different ETFs in my

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portfolio. Okay, so our first case study

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is Jose. He's a 30-year-old software

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developer from Spain, now living in

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Berlin. He's single, financially

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ambitious, and starting to invest from

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zero. Importantly, Jose has a high

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ability to tolerate investment risk

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because he's employed by a government

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agency with full unemployment

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protections, excellent health care, and

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he's got a supportive family back home.

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So, even if things go wrong, even if the

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market falls by 40% and stays down for

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years, even if the economy goes bad,

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Jose would not be forced to sell his ETF

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portfolio to cover his spending needs.

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And this means he can afford to maximize

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risk and put 100% of his portfolio into

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the stock market. He wants a simple,

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passive, set-it-and-forget-it approach.

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That is why Jose decided on a one ETF

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portfolio. A lot of beginning investors

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ask, "Can one ETF really be enough? I

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mean, isn't this putting all your eggs

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in one basket, which is supposed to be

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dangerous?" Well, the thing is, a good

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ETF is already highly diversified. Take

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for example VWCE, the Vanguard FTSE

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All-World Accumulating ETF. This invests

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your money in almost 4,000 different

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stocks in developed and emerging

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markets. If any single company or any

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global region gets into trouble, you

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should still be fine. And the ETF

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structure itself is designed to be very

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safe. Even if the fund provider Vanguard

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were to go bankrupt, your money is held

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separately and that means it stays safe.

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So, a single ETF can absolutely be

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enough for some investors. That is why

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Jose chooses a single global ETF. But

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not BWCE. You see, BWCE is an

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accumulating ETF. That means when it

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gets dividends from stocks, it does not

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pay those dividends out. It keeps them

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inside the fund. But Jose lives in

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Germany. Every year he gets a 1,000 euro

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tax-free allowance for investment

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income. So, for him, it's optimal to get

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a bit of dividends every year. And

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that's why he buys the distributing

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version of the same ETF. Next case

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study. We've got Mary, who is 55 and

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lives in Ireland. Over her three decades

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at a corporate job, Mary has saved up a

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sizable nest egg of 300,000 euros. She

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wants to invest this money and add more

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to it over the next 10 years until her

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retirement. Because Mary is a cautious

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person, she chooses a balanced strategy

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that can work both before and during

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retirement, the 60/40 portfolio. In

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short, Mary wants to have 60% of her

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money in global stocks and 40% in

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high-quality bonds, which can protect

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her portfolio in difficult times. So,

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how many ETFs does Mary need? Well, it

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depends. You can find ETFs which give

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you a pre-packaged mix of stocks and

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bonds and that means you don't have to

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do anything yourself. For example,

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there's this one. But Mary wants to have

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more control of her portfolio, so she

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chooses to have one stock ETF and one

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bond ETF. On the stock side, she cares

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about socially responsible investing, so

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she chooses this fund from Xtrackers,

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which is a global stock fund that

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filters stocks for their social

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responsibility characteristics. And on

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the bond side, Mary wants an ETF that is

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going to serve as a portfolio

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stabilizer. The ETF needs to include

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investment-grade bonds, which means low

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credit risk, and they need to be

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denominated in euros so that Mary

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doesn't have any unnecessary currency

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risk. Reviewing all this, Mary chooses

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the iShares Core Euro Corporate Bond

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ETF. And this is Mary's two ETF

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portfolio. For our next case study,

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we've got a tricky case where the right

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answer to how many ETFs is actually

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zero. Meet Olga. She is 40 years old,

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the owner of a successful marketing

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agency, and the risk-taker. Olga is

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willing to put 100% of her savings into

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the stock market. Specifically, she

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wants to invest in developed world

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stocks. However, she's concerned about

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the geopolitical tensions that Trump is

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causing between America and Europe. So,

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she wants to invest less in America and

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more closer to home. In other words, she

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wants to put a home bias in her

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portfolio, where 30% is invested in

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Europe and the rest is spread

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proportionally around the world. Now,

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the cleanest way to do this is to use

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two stock funds, a developed world fund

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plus a European fund. In fact, based on

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what she learned from my training, Olga

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calculated that if she put 83% of her

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portfolio in a developed world fund and

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70% in a European fund, this would give

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her an overall exposure of 30% to Europe

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because the global fund also includes

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Europe as part of it. Olga could build

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this portfolio by putting 83% into an

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ETF like IEUNL, the iShares Core MSCI

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World ETF, and 17% into IEUNK, the

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iShares Core MSCI Europe ETF. But,

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there's an important detail that I

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haven't shared. While Olga is originally

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from Lithuania, she now lives in Spain,

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where she plans to spend the rest of her

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life. And in Spain, there's a special

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rule where index mutual funds allow you

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to move money from fund to fund without

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paying capital gains tax. And that's not

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the case with ETFs. Like many Spanish

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tax residents, Olga does not want ETFs

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in her portfolio. Instead, she chooses

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index mutual funds. She goes to the fund

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platform MyInvestor and chooses these

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two funds instead. Next up, let's look

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at a student of mine who has six ETFs in

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his portfolio and for a good reason. But

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before I explain why, here's something

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to consider. As you can see, choosing an

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optimal ETF or index fund can be a

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little bit tricky. You've got to take

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into account your age, your goals, and

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your tax situation. If you want to learn

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how to do this well, you might benefit

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from my step-by-step training program

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for European investors, the index

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masterclass. In the training, I take you

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through everything that you need to

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know, including the local tax rules in

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your European country. If that sounds

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interesting, follow the first link in

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the description and book a call with my

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team to discuss. Okay, but for the next

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case study, meet Charles. He's a former

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entrepreneur who sold his companies and

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now has around 11 million euros in

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investments. He's only 50 years old, but

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he's fully retired and pursuing his

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hobbies. Charles has also chosen a

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typical 60/40 retirement portfolio of

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stocks and bonds. So, why does Charles

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hold six different ETFs? Well, it's

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because he is very conservative and

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protective of his wealth. Charles splits

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his large portfolio among three

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different brokerage houses, Interactive

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Brokers in Ireland, Saxo in Denmark, and

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Julius Baer in Switzerland. Julius Baer

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is a private bank and it's quite

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expensive, but Charles values its

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reputation for customer service and

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confidentiality. And at each of these

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brokerages, Charles reproduces the same

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60/40 stock bond portfolio, but at every

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brokerage he purchases ETFs from a

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different fund provider. He wants an

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extra layer of diversification. So, on

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the stock side, his portfolio includes

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VWCE, IUSQ, and SPYY. And on the bond

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side, he's got this one and this one and

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this one. For most beginning investors,

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this kind of six ETF portfolio would be

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total overkill, but Charles' philosophy

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is that no matter what happens with any

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of the brokerages, no matter what

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happens with any fund provider or

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individual fund, he will be fine. And

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because he's got a good accountant and

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tax adviser, the added complexity in his

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case is totally worth it. Next up, we've

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got one of my most sophisticated

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students with a portfolio that is on the

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verge of being too complicated, but it

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still makes sense for him. So, Bruno is

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from Argentina, but he lives in

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Switzerland. He is 35 years old and he

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works in private equity. Bruno enjoys

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researching

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and takes a very hands-on approach with

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his money. Now, for most of his

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portfolio, he wants to be maximally

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diversified. So, he's going to put 70%

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into an all world fund that tracks

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large, mid, and small cap companies

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around the world. Most global ETFs only

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include large and mid cap companies, so

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by adding small caps, Bruno gets some

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extra diversification. The next 10% of

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the portfolio he puts into a gold ETF.

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He knows that long-term gold is expected

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to underperform stocks, but in the short

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to intermediate term, gold in small

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amounts can be an excellent portfolio

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diversifier because gold and stocks tend

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to move up and down at different times.

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Then, he puts another 10% into a REIT

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ETF. This is an ETF which buys real

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estate investment trusts. Bruno chooses

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it because real estate is a massive part

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of the global economy which is

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underrepresented in the stock market.

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And finally, with the last 10% of his

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portfolio, Bruno wants to play. He wants

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to make some market bets. Right now,

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he's allocating it to a clean energy

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ETF. He knows that these kinds of sector

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bets don't work out that well for most

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people, but he believes in his own

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ability to make good choices. Okay, so

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this is a portfolio with four major

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components. Building it would normally

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take four to five ETFs, depending on

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whether you can get all company sizes in

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a single ETF or whether you need two

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different funds. But there's another

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nuance. Because Bruno lives in

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Switzerland, he actually has access to

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US-domiciled ETFs, not only European

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ones. So, here are the funds he actually

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uses to build his portfolio. Okay, but

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what about me? How many ETFs do I have

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in my portfolio? Well, it depends on the

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moment in time. There are some days when

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you might look at my portfolio and I

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might have as many as 10. It might be a

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mess of overlapping funds, but that is

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simply because I'm doing YouTube videos

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and webinars and workshops for my

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students where I demonstrate buying and

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selling different funds. On a long-term

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basis, I have a pretty simple all-world

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portfolio covering large, mid, and

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small-cap stocks. That said, I do this

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across multiple brokerages in different

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countries to protect my family's wealth.

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And at every brokerage, I often buy a

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different version of the same ETF from a

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different provider. As a result, I have

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five major ETFs in my own portfolio.

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Now, all of the case studies I walk you

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through are based on my students who

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built their own ETF and index fund

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portfolios on their own. I never give

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investment recommendations. I don't give

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you the fish, I teach you how to fish so

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that you can make good decisions. So,

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they completed my step-by-step training

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program for European investors, the

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Index Masterclass, and they started

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investing. They also benefited from the

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country tax briefings that we provide,

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which makes it much easier to choose the

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right funds for your local tax rules. If

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you too would like to start ETF

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investing or to improve your portfolio,

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I invite you to follow the first link in

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the description, check out our program,

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and book a call with my team to see if

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you are a good fit.

Interactive Summary

This video discusses how many ETFs an investor truly needs, debunking the myth that a massive number of funds is beneficial. Through several case studies, it illustrates how factors like risk tolerance, tax residency, financial goals, and wealth preservation strategies dictate the optimal number of ETFs in a portfolio, ranging from a single fund to more complex structures for advanced investors.

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