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This January, Chinese state media

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treated viewers to a gripping spectacle.

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The arrest and public humiliation of a

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tycoon [music]

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and suspected master criminal Chenu.

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If you watch the footage, you see that

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the guards in the SWAT gear have changed

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him into the prison guard and they're

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placing the black bag over his head. His

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arms are in shackles. [music]

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>> David Ramley is a Bloomberg investing

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reporter based in Singapore. He watched

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the footage of Chun's extradition from

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Cambodia. A team armed with automatic

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weapons leads Chun onto the plane.

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>> And then it's later when he comes off

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the plane, they take the bag off and his

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eyes are just staring at the ground. And

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clearly he realizes this is a very

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different scenario to what he had

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expected.

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>> Chun allegedly ran a criminal network in

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Cambodia for more than a decade. His

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businesses were believed to have used

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forced labor and were said to have

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defrauded people all over the world of

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billions of dollars. A lot of countries

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had their eyes on him, including the

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US's Federal Bureau of Investigation.

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>> Different governments have different

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accusations regarding Chen and his

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organization. Most of it revolves around

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money laundering. Some of the

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accusations say what he was laundering

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were proceeds [music] of crime and a lot

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of that crime relates to a mix of online

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gambling, scam centers. Chun's arrest

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and extradition was a dramatic reversal

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of fortune. He had spent years living a

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billionaire's life in Singapore, London,

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Taipei, and Hong Kong. He cruised with

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politicians on his super yacht and was

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chauffeurred around in luxury cars.

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So what changed that led to this abrupt

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and sudden downfall?

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>> I think it was a mix of various factors.

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On the one hand, you had rising pressure

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from the Americans. They clearly

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sanctioned a huge number and a huge

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array of his organization. Chinese

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authorities also had been ramping up

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pressure and Cambodia basically had to

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act. All the things that Chen had used

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to maintain his support for so long

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within the Cambodian regime. All the

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things that had kept him operating now

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coalesed into unstoppable pressure.

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[music]

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Welcome to the big take Asia from

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Bloomberg News. I'm Juan Ha. Every week

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we take you inside some of the world's

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biggest [music] and most powerful

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economies and the markets, tycoons, and

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businesses that drive this evershifting

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region.

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Today in the show, the rise and fall of

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Chenju, the tycoon who allegedly built

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an empire on scams, [music] trafficking,

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and political protection. How his

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suspected criminal network earning

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[music] tens of millions of dollars a

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day suddenly crumbled and what led to

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his swift downfall.

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By any account, the rise of Chenzu was

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meteoric. Born in 1987 in Fujian, a

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southern coastal province of [music]

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China, he got his start in business

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running an internet cafe and gaming

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center. When he started in Fujen, to the

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best of our knowledge and according to

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his own family offices, now deleted

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biography, he was just another kid

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worked with his father in the family

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business before eventually getting into

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internet cafes. And at a very young age,

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I think circa 24, he went off to

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Cambodia to seek a new fortune.

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>> In 2014, Chen appears to have found a

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way to acquire Cambodian citizenship

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under foreign investor program. Soon

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after he founded Prince Real Estate.

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>> Well, at first his empire in Cambodia

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was probably relatively modest. He was

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doing property development. He was doing

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certain buildings, business parks, etc.

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But quickly he managed to flip these

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into much larger enterprises. There was

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a downturn around the early time that he

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was there and a lot of Chinese

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entrepreneurs and investors actually

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left Cambodia because they found it a

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little bit too risky. He doubled down

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and in doing so he really established

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himself as a key player.

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>> Prince real estate quickly became a

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household name across Cambodia. As

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Chen's wealth grew, it expanded into a

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full-blown conglomerate. He started

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building casinos. He started building

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hotels, restaurants. He even got into a

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wide variety of services. By the end of

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his time, he had Prince, which actually

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had about a billion dollars in deposits

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from various clients.

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>> And then at some point, he's alleged to

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have ventured into a lot of illicit

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operations as well. Right. So a lot of

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the accusations from both the NOS's as

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well as from researchers, journalists,

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the US agencies such as the FBI center

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on the dual use aspect of his empire.

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And inside of those office buildings

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were his operations allegedly for

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running scams targeting citizens all

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over the world out of billions and

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billions of dollars. That money would

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often be funneled into the purchase of

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crypto mining equipment and then the

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crypto mining equipment was harvesting

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huge amounts of crypto which was then

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ostensibly clean. And that's one of the

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key ways that he allegedly laundered

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money. During those years, Prince Group

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built business campuses and poured money

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into transforming a Cambodian port city

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called Sea Nukeville into a gambling hot

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spot with numerous casinos and hotels.

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Investigators allege some of these sites

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became notorious scam hubs. [music] One

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of them was a place called Mango Park.

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>> Once upon a time, it was a farm of

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mangoes and then they turned it into a

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processing center for [music] mangoes.

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And then they basically built over it a

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series of office buildings. There are

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many facilities filled with thousands of

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workers who are actively scamming people

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all over the world. According to various

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indictments and accusations,

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>> the allegations against Chen say workers

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from across the world worked in shifts

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around the clock in these complexes to

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scam overseas victims out of money. The

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scheme is known as pig butchering.

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That's a reference to fattening pigs

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before slaughter. These range the gamut

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from your average love interest scam

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where somebody claims to be a potential

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wife or a potential husband for someone

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who's perhaps a little bit lonely to the

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classic Nigerian prince scam where

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someone claims that they have a huge

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fortune awaiting you if only you jump

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through a series of hoops. And in other

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cases, there are investment scams where

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they claim to be very successful

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investment brokers who take your money

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and can triple or quadruple your your

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funds if you use their platform to do

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so. And in all of these cases,

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allegedly, it's simply a way of

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extracting money from people's bank

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[music] accounts.

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>> And David, what was life like for these

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workers, many of whom, as you said, were

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likely [music] trafficked. What kind of

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conditions were they living and working

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under?

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>> Well, it's not quite black and white.

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It's actually quite fascinating. Many of

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the workers really were paid. They were

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salaried employees who knew what they

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were doing, but many others were not.

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They had come under false pretenses.

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Some had thought they were working

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normal IT jobs. They were brought in.

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They were taken to the room and if they

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performed well, they actually got paid.

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Sometimes they got bonuses. In other

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cases, if they did not perform well, if

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they constantly or even occasionally

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made mistakes, they were often punished.

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And the indictment details some of these

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alleged punishments, beatings being

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meated out, people being hunted down.

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>> And how lucrative, David, were these

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scam centers? Well, according to the

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indictment, one of the key lieutenants

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boasted in text messages that the

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operation was generating in excess of 30

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US million per day. That's only in 2018.

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>> And obviously, you can't build a

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business empire like Chen's of this

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scale without connections. How well

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connected politically was he in

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Cambodia?

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>> Chen was incredibly well connected to

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the highest levels of politics and power

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in Cambodia. There are a variety of ways

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to illustrate this, but I'll give you

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one. 2022 on a state visit to Cuba.

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Chen's right there in videos that you

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can look up right now on former Prime

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Minister Hunen's personal official

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verified Facebook page. Chen used his

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growing wealth to build political

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influence and styled himself as a

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philanthropist. He donated trucks to

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Cambodia's national police, handed out

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scholarships, and gave about $2 million

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to the Cambodian Red Cross, which is

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overseen by Boon Rani, the wife of

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longtime leader Hunen. And when Chun got

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wind of then Prime Minister Hunen's

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fondness for luxury watches, he

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leveraged that too and set up a

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specialty watchmaking school. Prince

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Herology was the watch school that he

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set up and produced the watches that

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Hunen handed out to world leaders during

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the Azan meeting. If you go to the

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government collections of the US

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government, the Canadian government and

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the Australian government, you will find

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wrist watches with Prince Herology and

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his personal logo etched into the

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equipment there.

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>> By 2020, Chun had reached the absolute

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pinnacle of Cambodian society. And

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thanks to his high-powered political

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connections, Chen and his businesses

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were shielded and they flourished for

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more than a decade.

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>> Well, according to people we've spoken

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to, it was definitely a fact that if you

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moved against Chen, it was seen [music]

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as you moving against Cambodia. And you

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have to remember the geopolitics of the

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time. Everyone wanted Cambodia to be on

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its side in this new cold war scenario.

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[music] and none wanted to offend Hunen,

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Hunman, or the senior politicians of

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Cambodia.

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Protected, Chen allegedly built one of

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the biggest scam syndicates in the

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world. [music]

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The combination of money from Prince's

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legitimate and illicit businesses made

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Chen extremely rich. And he moved money

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offshore and began spending it.

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>> He led the life of a global billionaire

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in cities all over the planet. He had

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properties in Hong Kong. He had

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properties in Tokyo. He had properties

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in Singapore, London, you name it. He

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had a 54 m super yacht. And that was

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only one of several yachts that he owned

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or controlled. And on those yachts, he

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would host highly [snorts] elaborate

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parties. We're not talking normal

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parties that you and I might attend.

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We're talking parties with free flowing

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whiskey aged for many many decades

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costing thousands of dollars per drram

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Cuban cigars of every vintage you can

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imagine.

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>> I mean the fact that there was so much

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money flowing from Prince Group did that

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raise any alarm at any of the banks?

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Certainly what I found fascinating was

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that several banks actually filed

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suspicious transaction reports against

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him and they filed that with various

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regulators not just in Singapore but

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also in Taiwan etc. The fact that they

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themselves found him triggering so many

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red flags that they shuttered his

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accounts shows that many banks knew

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something was up. But because there was

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no way for the banks to warn each other

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for quite fair privacy reasons and

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because the state was not empowered in

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some ways to warn other banks when a

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separate bank enclosed someone's

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accounts, he was simply able to spin up

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new bank accounts at other institutions

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and continue transferring money all over

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the world. Chen could not be reached for

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comment. A spokesperson for the Prince

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Companies, who asked to be unnamed for

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safety reasons, denied the allegations

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from the US and UK against Chen and said

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the US Department of Justice's legal

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filings contained inconsistencies,

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falsehoods, and egregious overreach.

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After the break, how international

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pressure from across the globe triggered

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Chen's sudden downfall.

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Countries have ways of recognizing those

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who've made exceptional contributions.

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In the US, the president gives out

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presidential medals of freedom. In the

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UK, there's nighthoods. In Cambodia, one

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of the greatest honors that a civilian

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can receive is the title of Nick Okna,

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equivalent to a lord. And in July 2020,

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the king bestowed that title on Chenju.

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It was a remarkable achievement. But at

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the very point that Chen had reached

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these dizzying heights, events were in

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play to bring him down. Chen's alleged

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criminal enterprises benefited from the

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CO 19 pandemic. People spent more time

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online and the pool of potential scam

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victims widened. And according to

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experts, Chun and the Prince Group were

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just one part of a broader network of

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scam operations across Cambodia [music]

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and the region. But as a number of

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victims, likely millions worldwide, from

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the US to China, began to grow, so did

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scrutiny. [music]

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Law enforcement agencies had already

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caught a scent of what Chen was up to.

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[music] And in 2020, Chinese authorities

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set up a task force to investigate the

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prince [music] group in Cambodia. But

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real international pressure didn't come

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until the end of last year.

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>> In October, the US and UK governments

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finally decided to take action against

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him and comprehensive action, I should

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say. They sanctioned over a hundred

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different entities all over the world

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and many of these were controlling

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entities used to run companies in other

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parts of the world. It was a real shock

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to the system, especially for the Asian

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law enforcement organizations. They

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actually had not been made aware that

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these sanctions were about to hit. So it

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was only after the sanctions were

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announced that governments in Hong Kong,

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Singapore, Taiwan, and elsewhere started

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to take some serious action and seized

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assets ranging from cars to jewelry to

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gold and property. US federal

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prosecutors also revealed that they had

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seized nearly 130,000 bitcoins Chun once

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controlled. That's a record hall then

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worth $15 billion.

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This week, lawyers for Chen filed a

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motion in a New York court to dismiss

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the US government's seizure of a hall of

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Bitcoin. It's linked to him. The lawyers

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argue that many of the allegations

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against Chen are provably and obviously

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false. And that accusations he oversaw

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scam compounds were non-specific

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statements and background commentary

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about conditions in Cambodia. They

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raised questions about the timeline of

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the cryptocurrency seizure and said the

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Bitcoin couldn't possibly have been the

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proceeds of fraud or money laundering.

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>> Last year, tensions between Thailand and

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Cambodia escalated to deadly violence

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along the border. And in the leadup to

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Thailand's elections, scam centers

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around the region became a hot button

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issue in the campaigns. The Thai

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government had turned it into a war on

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the scams. They had actually actively

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bombarded scam centers on the border

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with Thailand. They were illustrating to

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the international public the extent of

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the scam activity, targeting citizens

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around the world. At this point, Chun's

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operations have become too big and his

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victims too numerous to ignore.

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President Trump himself even got

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involved, forcing Cambodia to crack down

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on scam centers that target Americans.

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He explicitly made it a part of a deal

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for lower tariffs. This was just a

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series of unfortunate for him events

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that came together. It's hard for him to

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predict that the Americans would

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suddenly do such a thing. It's hard for

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him to predict that the ties would use

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scam activities as a key tent pole for

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justifying their invasion of Cambodian

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alleged territory. And while the

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Americans were honing in on Chen and his

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suspected [music] scam centers, China

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was also making progress on its

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investigation. For weeks, some of Chen's

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staff were [music] expecting Cambodia to

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reach a deal with China that would

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result in just a slap on the wrist for

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Chen. But the end when it came was

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[music] sudden. In a late night

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statement on January 7th, Cambodia

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announced that Chen and two others had

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[music] been arrested and immediately

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extradited. Since his arrest and

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extradition, what do we know of the

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operations of Prince Group now [music]

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with him out of the picture?

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>> Well, we understand that the operations

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of Prince Group are much depleted.

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several organizations that were in full

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swing operation before he was arrested

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such as Prince, [music]

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Prince Real Estate, Prince Herology, the

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watchmaking school were all curtailed or

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shut down.

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>> Now these kinds of scam centers which

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are prevalent in parts of Asia, they

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often depend on trafficked workers.

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Cambodia shut down a number of these

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centers. What happens to these workers

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now? Well, what's happened since Chen's

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arrest has been remarkable. We've seen a

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lot of scam centers throughout Cambodia

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emptying out. Streams of people from all

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over the world, India, Indonesia, China,

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[music] other parts, queuing out front

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of their country's embassies trying to

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get home, saying that they had escaped

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and wanting to get a ticket back to

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their place of birth. But what we've

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also heard is that a lot of centers are

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allegedly still in operation. They've

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simply quietened down. According to one

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of the senior ministers we've spoken to,

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scam activity is down 50% in Cambodia.

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Now, we don't know exactly what that

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refers to. Is it the number of scammers

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in countries, the number of scam

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operations or the revenue lost? But it

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shows that even by the Cambodian

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government's own admission, there's

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still a substantial amount of scam

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activity happening today, right now. At

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the end of the day, David says scamming

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is just too lucrative for criminals to

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resist. And these scammer networks are

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like hydras. You cut off one head, but

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others are ready to emerge and replace

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them.

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>> I think the main thing standing in the

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way of shutting down all of these scam

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[music] centers is greed. The huge

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amount of money that they are able to

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generate [music] is liable to create

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corruption in any market, let alone

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emerging markets and frontier markets.

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Basically, the only way this gets shut

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down is if you have clean [music]

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government willing to take drastic

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action against some of the most senior

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members of your own country, [music]

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both in business, politics, and perhaps

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other spheres of influence. And that's a

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hard task. I think one unanimous thing

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we've heard from every expert is that

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[music] this is not the end of scams

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either in Southeast Asia or the world.

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This industry will continue and there

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will continue to be victims. [music]

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Now, how successful those efforts are in

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shutting down these centers, that

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remains to be seen and coordinated

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action can make a real impact on that.

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>> [music]

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Interactive Summary

The video details the rise and fall of Chen, a tycoon who allegedly built a vast criminal empire in Cambodia through scams, trafficking, and political protection. His network, which reportedly earned tens of millions of dollars daily, involved fraudulent schemes like 'pig butchering' that defrauded victims worldwide. Chen leveraged his wealth to gain significant political influence in Cambodia, enjoying protection from high levels of government. However, increased international pressure, particularly from the US and UK through sanctions and asset seizures, along with investigations by Chinese authorities, led to his arrest and extradition. While some of Chen's operations have been curtailed, the video suggests that scamming networks persist due to their lucrative nature and the potential for corruption, highlighting the ongoing challenge of combating these activities.

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