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This January, Chinese state media
treated viewers to a gripping spectacle.
The arrest and public humiliation of a
tycoon [music]
and suspected master criminal Chenu.
If you watch the footage, you see that
the guards in the SWAT gear have changed
him into the prison guard and they're
placing the black bag over his head. His
arms are in shackles. [music]
>> David Ramley is a Bloomberg investing
reporter based in Singapore. He watched
the footage of Chun's extradition from
Cambodia. A team armed with automatic
weapons leads Chun onto the plane.
>> And then it's later when he comes off
the plane, they take the bag off and his
eyes are just staring at the ground. And
clearly he realizes this is a very
different scenario to what he had
expected.
>> Chun allegedly ran a criminal network in
Cambodia for more than a decade. His
businesses were believed to have used
forced labor and were said to have
defrauded people all over the world of
billions of dollars. A lot of countries
had their eyes on him, including the
US's Federal Bureau of Investigation.
>> Different governments have different
accusations regarding Chen and his
organization. Most of it revolves around
money laundering. Some of the
accusations say what he was laundering
were proceeds [music] of crime and a lot
of that crime relates to a mix of online
gambling, scam centers. Chun's arrest
and extradition was a dramatic reversal
of fortune. He had spent years living a
billionaire's life in Singapore, London,
Taipei, and Hong Kong. He cruised with
politicians on his super yacht and was
chauffeurred around in luxury cars.
So what changed that led to this abrupt
and sudden downfall?
>> I think it was a mix of various factors.
On the one hand, you had rising pressure
from the Americans. They clearly
sanctioned a huge number and a huge
array of his organization. Chinese
authorities also had been ramping up
pressure and Cambodia basically had to
act. All the things that Chen had used
to maintain his support for so long
within the Cambodian regime. All the
things that had kept him operating now
coalesed into unstoppable pressure.
[music]
Welcome to the big take Asia from
Bloomberg News. I'm Juan Ha. Every week
we take you inside some of the world's
biggest [music] and most powerful
economies and the markets, tycoons, and
businesses that drive this evershifting
region.
Today in the show, the rise and fall of
Chenju, the tycoon who allegedly built
an empire on scams, [music] trafficking,
and political protection. How his
suspected criminal network earning
[music] tens of millions of dollars a
day suddenly crumbled and what led to
his swift downfall.
By any account, the rise of Chenzu was
meteoric. Born in 1987 in Fujian, a
southern coastal province of [music]
China, he got his start in business
running an internet cafe and gaming
center. When he started in Fujen, to the
best of our knowledge and according to
his own family offices, now deleted
biography, he was just another kid
worked with his father in the family
business before eventually getting into
internet cafes. And at a very young age,
I think circa 24, he went off to
Cambodia to seek a new fortune.
>> In 2014, Chen appears to have found a
way to acquire Cambodian citizenship
under foreign investor program. Soon
after he founded Prince Real Estate.
>> Well, at first his empire in Cambodia
was probably relatively modest. He was
doing property development. He was doing
certain buildings, business parks, etc.
But quickly he managed to flip these
into much larger enterprises. There was
a downturn around the early time that he
was there and a lot of Chinese
entrepreneurs and investors actually
left Cambodia because they found it a
little bit too risky. He doubled down
and in doing so he really established
himself as a key player.
>> Prince real estate quickly became a
household name across Cambodia. As
Chen's wealth grew, it expanded into a
full-blown conglomerate. He started
building casinos. He started building
hotels, restaurants. He even got into a
wide variety of services. By the end of
his time, he had Prince, which actually
had about a billion dollars in deposits
from various clients.
>> And then at some point, he's alleged to
have ventured into a lot of illicit
operations as well. Right. So a lot of
the accusations from both the NOS's as
well as from researchers, journalists,
the US agencies such as the FBI center
on the dual use aspect of his empire.
And inside of those office buildings
were his operations allegedly for
running scams targeting citizens all
over the world out of billions and
billions of dollars. That money would
often be funneled into the purchase of
crypto mining equipment and then the
crypto mining equipment was harvesting
huge amounts of crypto which was then
ostensibly clean. And that's one of the
key ways that he allegedly laundered
money. During those years, Prince Group
built business campuses and poured money
into transforming a Cambodian port city
called Sea Nukeville into a gambling hot
spot with numerous casinos and hotels.
Investigators allege some of these sites
became notorious scam hubs. [music] One
of them was a place called Mango Park.
>> Once upon a time, it was a farm of
mangoes and then they turned it into a
processing center for [music] mangoes.
And then they basically built over it a
series of office buildings. There are
many facilities filled with thousands of
workers who are actively scamming people
all over the world. According to various
indictments and accusations,
>> the allegations against Chen say workers
from across the world worked in shifts
around the clock in these complexes to
scam overseas victims out of money. The
scheme is known as pig butchering.
That's a reference to fattening pigs
before slaughter. These range the gamut
from your average love interest scam
where somebody claims to be a potential
wife or a potential husband for someone
who's perhaps a little bit lonely to the
classic Nigerian prince scam where
someone claims that they have a huge
fortune awaiting you if only you jump
through a series of hoops. And in other
cases, there are investment scams where
they claim to be very successful
investment brokers who take your money
and can triple or quadruple your your
funds if you use their platform to do
so. And in all of these cases,
allegedly, it's simply a way of
extracting money from people's bank
[music] accounts.
>> And David, what was life like for these
workers, many of whom, as you said, were
likely [music] trafficked. What kind of
conditions were they living and working
under?
>> Well, it's not quite black and white.
It's actually quite fascinating. Many of
the workers really were paid. They were
salaried employees who knew what they
were doing, but many others were not.
They had come under false pretenses.
Some had thought they were working
normal IT jobs. They were brought in.
They were taken to the room and if they
performed well, they actually got paid.
Sometimes they got bonuses. In other
cases, if they did not perform well, if
they constantly or even occasionally
made mistakes, they were often punished.
And the indictment details some of these
alleged punishments, beatings being
meated out, people being hunted down.
>> And how lucrative, David, were these
scam centers? Well, according to the
indictment, one of the key lieutenants
boasted in text messages that the
operation was generating in excess of 30
US million per day. That's only in 2018.
>> And obviously, you can't build a
business empire like Chen's of this
scale without connections. How well
connected politically was he in
Cambodia?
>> Chen was incredibly well connected to
the highest levels of politics and power
in Cambodia. There are a variety of ways
to illustrate this, but I'll give you
one. 2022 on a state visit to Cuba.
Chen's right there in videos that you
can look up right now on former Prime
Minister Hunen's personal official
verified Facebook page. Chen used his
growing wealth to build political
influence and styled himself as a
philanthropist. He donated trucks to
Cambodia's national police, handed out
scholarships, and gave about $2 million
to the Cambodian Red Cross, which is
overseen by Boon Rani, the wife of
longtime leader Hunen. And when Chun got
wind of then Prime Minister Hunen's
fondness for luxury watches, he
leveraged that too and set up a
specialty watchmaking school. Prince
Herology was the watch school that he
set up and produced the watches that
Hunen handed out to world leaders during
the Azan meeting. If you go to the
government collections of the US
government, the Canadian government and
the Australian government, you will find
wrist watches with Prince Herology and
his personal logo etched into the
equipment there.
>> By 2020, Chun had reached the absolute
pinnacle of Cambodian society. And
thanks to his high-powered political
connections, Chen and his businesses
were shielded and they flourished for
more than a decade.
>> Well, according to people we've spoken
to, it was definitely a fact that if you
moved against Chen, it was seen [music]
as you moving against Cambodia. And you
have to remember the geopolitics of the
time. Everyone wanted Cambodia to be on
its side in this new cold war scenario.
[music] and none wanted to offend Hunen,
Hunman, or the senior politicians of
Cambodia.
Protected, Chen allegedly built one of
the biggest scam syndicates in the
world. [music]
The combination of money from Prince's
legitimate and illicit businesses made
Chen extremely rich. And he moved money
offshore and began spending it.
>> He led the life of a global billionaire
in cities all over the planet. He had
properties in Hong Kong. He had
properties in Tokyo. He had properties
in Singapore, London, you name it. He
had a 54 m super yacht. And that was
only one of several yachts that he owned
or controlled. And on those yachts, he
would host highly [snorts] elaborate
parties. We're not talking normal
parties that you and I might attend.
We're talking parties with free flowing
whiskey aged for many many decades
costing thousands of dollars per drram
Cuban cigars of every vintage you can
imagine.
>> I mean the fact that there was so much
money flowing from Prince Group did that
raise any alarm at any of the banks?
Certainly what I found fascinating was
that several banks actually filed
suspicious transaction reports against
him and they filed that with various
regulators not just in Singapore but
also in Taiwan etc. The fact that they
themselves found him triggering so many
red flags that they shuttered his
accounts shows that many banks knew
something was up. But because there was
no way for the banks to warn each other
for quite fair privacy reasons and
because the state was not empowered in
some ways to warn other banks when a
separate bank enclosed someone's
accounts, he was simply able to spin up
new bank accounts at other institutions
and continue transferring money all over
the world. Chen could not be reached for
comment. A spokesperson for the Prince
Companies, who asked to be unnamed for
safety reasons, denied the allegations
from the US and UK against Chen and said
the US Department of Justice's legal
filings contained inconsistencies,
falsehoods, and egregious overreach.
After the break, how international
pressure from across the globe triggered
Chen's sudden downfall.
Countries have ways of recognizing those
who've made exceptional contributions.
In the US, the president gives out
presidential medals of freedom. In the
UK, there's nighthoods. In Cambodia, one
of the greatest honors that a civilian
can receive is the title of Nick Okna,
equivalent to a lord. And in July 2020,
the king bestowed that title on Chenju.
It was a remarkable achievement. But at
the very point that Chen had reached
these dizzying heights, events were in
play to bring him down. Chen's alleged
criminal enterprises benefited from the
CO 19 pandemic. People spent more time
online and the pool of potential scam
victims widened. And according to
experts, Chun and the Prince Group were
just one part of a broader network of
scam operations across Cambodia [music]
and the region. But as a number of
victims, likely millions worldwide, from
the US to China, began to grow, so did
scrutiny. [music]
Law enforcement agencies had already
caught a scent of what Chen was up to.
[music] And in 2020, Chinese authorities
set up a task force to investigate the
prince [music] group in Cambodia. But
real international pressure didn't come
until the end of last year.
>> In October, the US and UK governments
finally decided to take action against
him and comprehensive action, I should
say. They sanctioned over a hundred
different entities all over the world
and many of these were controlling
entities used to run companies in other
parts of the world. It was a real shock
to the system, especially for the Asian
law enforcement organizations. They
actually had not been made aware that
these sanctions were about to hit. So it
was only after the sanctions were
announced that governments in Hong Kong,
Singapore, Taiwan, and elsewhere started
to take some serious action and seized
assets ranging from cars to jewelry to
gold and property. US federal
prosecutors also revealed that they had
seized nearly 130,000 bitcoins Chun once
controlled. That's a record hall then
worth $15 billion.
This week, lawyers for Chen filed a
motion in a New York court to dismiss
the US government's seizure of a hall of
Bitcoin. It's linked to him. The lawyers
argue that many of the allegations
against Chen are provably and obviously
false. And that accusations he oversaw
scam compounds were non-specific
statements and background commentary
about conditions in Cambodia. They
raised questions about the timeline of
the cryptocurrency seizure and said the
Bitcoin couldn't possibly have been the
proceeds of fraud or money laundering.
>> Last year, tensions between Thailand and
Cambodia escalated to deadly violence
along the border. And in the leadup to
Thailand's elections, scam centers
around the region became a hot button
issue in the campaigns. The Thai
government had turned it into a war on
the scams. They had actually actively
bombarded scam centers on the border
with Thailand. They were illustrating to
the international public the extent of
the scam activity, targeting citizens
around the world. At this point, Chun's
operations have become too big and his
victims too numerous to ignore.
President Trump himself even got
involved, forcing Cambodia to crack down
on scam centers that target Americans.
He explicitly made it a part of a deal
for lower tariffs. This was just a
series of unfortunate for him events
that came together. It's hard for him to
predict that the Americans would
suddenly do such a thing. It's hard for
him to predict that the ties would use
scam activities as a key tent pole for
justifying their invasion of Cambodian
alleged territory. And while the
Americans were honing in on Chen and his
suspected [music] scam centers, China
was also making progress on its
investigation. For weeks, some of Chen's
staff were [music] expecting Cambodia to
reach a deal with China that would
result in just a slap on the wrist for
Chen. But the end when it came was
[music] sudden. In a late night
statement on January 7th, Cambodia
announced that Chen and two others had
[music] been arrested and immediately
extradited. Since his arrest and
extradition, what do we know of the
operations of Prince Group now [music]
with him out of the picture?
>> Well, we understand that the operations
of Prince Group are much depleted.
several organizations that were in full
swing operation before he was arrested
such as Prince, [music]
Prince Real Estate, Prince Herology, the
watchmaking school were all curtailed or
shut down.
>> Now these kinds of scam centers which
are prevalent in parts of Asia, they
often depend on trafficked workers.
Cambodia shut down a number of these
centers. What happens to these workers
now? Well, what's happened since Chen's
arrest has been remarkable. We've seen a
lot of scam centers throughout Cambodia
emptying out. Streams of people from all
over the world, India, Indonesia, China,
[music] other parts, queuing out front
of their country's embassies trying to
get home, saying that they had escaped
and wanting to get a ticket back to
their place of birth. But what we've
also heard is that a lot of centers are
allegedly still in operation. They've
simply quietened down. According to one
of the senior ministers we've spoken to,
scam activity is down 50% in Cambodia.
Now, we don't know exactly what that
refers to. Is it the number of scammers
in countries, the number of scam
operations or the revenue lost? But it
shows that even by the Cambodian
government's own admission, there's
still a substantial amount of scam
activity happening today, right now. At
the end of the day, David says scamming
is just too lucrative for criminals to
resist. And these scammer networks are
like hydras. You cut off one head, but
others are ready to emerge and replace
them.
>> I think the main thing standing in the
way of shutting down all of these scam
[music] centers is greed. The huge
amount of money that they are able to
generate [music] is liable to create
corruption in any market, let alone
emerging markets and frontier markets.
Basically, the only way this gets shut
down is if you have clean [music]
government willing to take drastic
action against some of the most senior
members of your own country, [music]
both in business, politics, and perhaps
other spheres of influence. And that's a
hard task. I think one unanimous thing
we've heard from every expert is that
[music] this is not the end of scams
either in Southeast Asia or the world.
This industry will continue and there
will continue to be victims. [music]
Now, how successful those efforts are in
shutting down these centers, that
remains to be seen and coordinated
action can make a real impact on that.
>> [music]
>> This is the Bigtake Asia from Bloomberg
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The video details the rise and fall of Chen, a tycoon who allegedly built a vast criminal empire in Cambodia through scams, trafficking, and political protection. His network, which reportedly earned tens of millions of dollars daily, involved fraudulent schemes like 'pig butchering' that defrauded victims worldwide. Chen leveraged his wealth to gain significant political influence in Cambodia, enjoying protection from high levels of government. However, increased international pressure, particularly from the US and UK through sanctions and asset seizures, along with investigations by Chinese authorities, led to his arrest and extradition. While some of Chen's operations have been curtailed, the video suggests that scamming networks persist due to their lucrative nature and the potential for corruption, highlighting the ongoing challenge of combating these activities.
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