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Women walking away: are men to blame?

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I'm Dr. Orion Taban and this is Psychax

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Better Living Through Psychology and the

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topic of today's short talk is women

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walking away. So, there's been some

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chatter on the interwebs recently

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indicating that women are increasingly

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walking away from relationships with men

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and these posts and articles generally

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point to the fact that women regularly

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report lower relationship satisfaction

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than men do as the reason behind that

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exodus. Of course, there are all kinds

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of explanations for this perceived trend

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in the data. Some believe that long-term

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relationships fundamentally prioritize

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men's desires over women's. Some point

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to inequitable housework splits or poor

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communication or uncompensated emotional

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labor or grief related to unmet

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emotional needs. Reading these

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explanations, you might wonder if women

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get anything out of relating to men.

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They give so much, they get so little,

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and all of their sacrifices are for the

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benefit of the unfair sex.

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And on the surface, this sounds pretty

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convincing. Like, we don't want one

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gender, whether it is men or women, to

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be significantly and consistently less

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satisfied with relationships than the

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other. Like, that's going to create some

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problems. Not least of which being that

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fewer and fewer relationships will be

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transacted, which is actually what we're

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already seeing. So this is a serious

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complaint.

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But you know, I decided to look into

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this a little bit more first. As a

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clinician, it is sometimes essential to

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get information from multiple sources.

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For instance, in identifying ADHD in

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children, a psychologist needs evidence

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to confirm the diagnosis from two

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independent sources like his parents at

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home and his teachers at school. If the

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child is only acting up at home, it

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could be that the problem actually lies

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with the home environment or the

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parenting style and not with the child

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him or herself. On the other hand, if

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the same issue appears across multiple

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contexts, we can be more confident in

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diagnosing an individual problem. And

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this of course is very important to do

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with children as they cannot consent to

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their own treatment and may end up being

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medicated against their will as a result

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of being inconvenient to a particular

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adult.

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So let's apply this logic to the problem

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of women's dissatisfaction in

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relationships.

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It would certainly be damning if we

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found evidence that women reported

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significantly more satisfaction in other

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domains of their lives.

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So, what about work? If women are

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unsatisfied in their relationships, then

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maybe they find satisfaction in their

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careers. And you know what? While the

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literature isn't unanimous, it turns out

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that women report lower job satisfaction

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than men do. Well, that's interesting.

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And of course, there are all kinds of

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interpretations for that finding. The

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gender pay gap, sexist management

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policies, patriarchal organizational

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structures, etc., etc.

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Well, that sounds concerning. Are men

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keeping women down at work just like

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they're keeping women down at home?

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Jeez, men get a hobby. But then I looked

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into that. According to an article in

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Labor Economics, forthrightly titled,

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"Do women prefer female bosses?"

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[snorts] Women report significantly

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lower job satisfaction when working

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under another woman compared to working

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under a man. Men's reported job

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satisfaction, on the other hand, was

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unrelated to the gender of his

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supervisor. So, there's that. And I've

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already debunked the gender pay gap in

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another episode, so check that out if

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you need a refresher.

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Okay. Well, yeah, that's just two

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places, right? Maybe outside of their

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jobs and outside of their relationships,

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women are more content.

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But it turns out that women have

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significantly higher rates of anxiety

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and depression relative to men. They're

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also over twice as likely to be on a

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psychiatric medication than men are. But

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of course, there are explanations for

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that as well. It's not that women

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actually have higher rates of mental

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illness than men do. Women are just

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better at asking for help than men are.

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They are more open with their feelings

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than men are. They value

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self-development more than men do, etc.,

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etc. And of course, if that were

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correct, it would indicate that men are

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a wildly underserved population, and

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this would merit a substantial

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and immediate social action to help men

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In any case, this is just the pits.

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Women are less satisfied in their

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relationships. They're less satisfied at

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work, and they're more discontented on

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their own. Perhaps they'd be more

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satisfied if they didn't have to deal

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with men whatsoever, since men are so

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often presumed to be the cause of their

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discontent. in which case sexual

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relationships that don't involve men

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would presumably be the happiest and

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most harmonious of all. Right?

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Actually, uh it turns out that the

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divorce rate among lesbians is even

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higher than the divorce rate among

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straits.

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And it's already pretty high among

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straits.

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How men might be to blame for that one,

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I'm not sure. But I imagine an

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explanation exists somewhere. Perhaps

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it's internalized homophobia as a result

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of participating in a toxic misogynistic

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culture. However, given the fact that

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the divorce rate among gays is

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significantly lower than the rate among

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the other two groups, this might be a

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tough cell.

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You get the point. Let's return to the

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original topic. We can now see how many

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of the reports of women's lower

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relationships satisfaction relative to

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men are functionally misleading. It's

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not that they're not true.

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It's that they all kind of assume that

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this increased discontentment

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is a deviation from the norm. That it's

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unique to this context to their

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relationships with men. However, we've

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seen evidence that this might not be the

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case. We see lower satisfaction in women

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in numerous different contexts relative

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to men.

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And this of course suggests another

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possible explanation of the data. An

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explanation that to my mind has the

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advantage of parsimony as this one

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explanation could account for all the

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observed phenomena we've just discussed.

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It could be wild speculation, but here

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it is. It It just might be the case that

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women

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are more discontent

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than men are.

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I don't know. Possibly, maybe.

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And if that crazy idea could possibly be

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true, it

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might not be

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men's fault. Perhaps

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it could be based on enduring

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differences that exist between men and

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women like oh god jeez I don't know men

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significantly higher concentrations of

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testosterone which has been well

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documented to increase contentment and

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emotional regulation

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but

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that would be nutty. Um but at least we

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can't rule it out completely. So where

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does that leave us? Maybe women do need

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to walk away from their relationships in

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order to determine whether it actually

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makes their lives better. If it does,

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wonderful. I'm not going to argue that

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they come back. I'm concerned about

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reducing unnecessary suffering wherever

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it happens to appear.

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But my hunch is that this is not what

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will happen. And that a lot of the

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dissatisfaction that women experience is

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rooted in inappropriate expectations.

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Women have been sold a bill of goods

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about work and relationships. And when

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they find that dating and jobs don't

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live up to these expectations, they tend

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to believe that there is something wrong

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with that particular relationship or

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with that particular company or with

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that particular culture or that

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particular worldview in which that

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particular relationship or company are

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operated

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rather than with their unrealistic

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expectations.

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However, comparing reality to the ideal

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of what could be is always

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disappointing, regardless of whether the

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person doing the comparing is a man or a

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woman. And perhaps the difference then

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comes from the fact that men aren't

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inundated with propaganda about what

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they deserve from the time they're

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children.

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Food for thought. What do you think?

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Does this fit with your own experience?

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Interactive Summary

The speaker, Dr. Orion Taban, addresses the recent discourse about women increasingly leaving relationships due to reported lower satisfaction than men. Common explanations for this trend include men's prioritization, inequitable household labor, and unmet emotional needs. However, applying a clinical approach of seeking multiple sources, the speaker investigates women's satisfaction in other life domains. He finds that women also report lower job satisfaction than men, and notably, lower satisfaction when working under female bosses. Furthermore, women have significantly higher rates of anxiety and depression and psychiatric medication use compared to men. Even in same-sex relationships, lesbian couples reportedly have a higher divorce rate than heterosexual couples. The speaker concludes that women's lower relationship satisfaction might not be unique to their relationships with men, but rather part of a broader pattern of general discontentment observed across various contexts. He speculates this could be due to enduring biological differences, such as men's higher testosterone levels correlating with contentment. Finally, he suggests that women's dissatisfaction might stem from unrealistic expectations about work and relationships, potentially fueled by societal

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