Joe Rogan Experience #2507 - Harland Williams
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>> Dimmitri was here when Donald Trump was
here.
>> Wow. That made my day.
>> It was important. Doesn't matter what's
odd.
>> It doesn't.
>> No.
>> There we go.
>> Um.
>> Wow. These are nice.
>> Dimmitri the snake.
>> Yeah. Tapeworm.
>> There he is. Oh, that's right.
>> Tapeworm. Yeah. What's going on with
your face? What are you doing?
>> This is a tight one for me today, guy.
[laughter]
What?
I'm feeling ripe.
>> What is that?
>> It's a It says Betty.
>> Billy.
>> Billy. Oh, B I
>> L L Y.
>> Oh, okay.
>> It's a uh
it's a memorial tattoo.
I don't know if you knew this or not,
but uh
my uh
my kid got hit by a truck.
>> When did you have a kid?
>> About two years ago. I haven't told
anyone.
I was ashamed. It was a one night stand.
Kid,
>> is it a human kid? Yeah,
[laughter]
>> Billy.
>> Did he get hit by a truck?
>> Got hit by a truck.
>> Was he just walking?
>> Well, someone and I won't say who, left
the gate open and uh he wandered out
into the street and uh boom,
like hit by a 18-wheeler.
And uh this is like a memorial. So, you
got Billy tattooed on your forehead?
>> I have two tattoos. I got Billy on my
forehead and I got a tattoo of his
little face over my heart.
>> Let me see it.
>> Really?
>> Yeah.
>> God.
>> First of all, what happened to the one
when you were attacked by the bear
>> that healed up? [laughter]
This is Billy.
>> Billy Goat.
>> He's a kid.
>> Billy the kid.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Poor little guy.
>> Poor little guy.
>> He was a service animal.
>> I thought he was your son.
>> Well, he was my boy. He was a kid.
>> But you said he got him out of a one
night stand.
>> Well, that girl sold him to me. He was a
service animal.
[sighs]
>> Mhm.
>> Yeah.
It sucks, dude. And you know what sucks?
He was hit by a truck that was hauling
medical supplies. Okay.
>> How ironic,
>> right? He's laying there. And to watch
your kid bleet to death.
He's just laying on the pavement like
just bleeding to death.
>> Amazing. He was still alive.
>> Well, he I couldn't believe it. He was
alive and and a respirator rolled out of
the back of the truck, a life-saving
device, and crushed his stupid his
crushed his head. So he was killed not
by the truck but by the final blow of
the respirator landing on him,
>> right? So the irony,
>> what are the odds?
>> Well, this is the irony in life, Joe.
Like he he got hit by the truck, might
have survived a respirator rolled out of
the back. These things weigh a good half
ton.
>> Lands on the idi on the kid's face and
uh gone.
>> Poor Billy.
>> So memorial tattoos.
>> Well, you're a good guy. That was a good
>> I would have ate them.
>> Is that right?
>> Yeah.
>> How does goat taste? I haven't had it.
>> It's pretty good. Yeah, I've had it.
>> You have?
>> Sure. First time I ever had it was in LA
at a Mexican spot. They sell they were
selling goat tacos. They were delicious.
>> Oh my god.
>> Yeah. And then I had a neighbor, well
not a neighbor, who's a landscaper that
was a friend of mine that would uh he
would fight chickens. They do chicken
fights.
>> [ __ ] fights.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. I've had those.
>> Trying to be polite. Clean it up for the
viewers.
>> Wow. Chicken chicken fights.
>> [ __ ] is kind of the technical name.
>> Seems wrong.
>> Yeah.
>> When you're saying it.
>> Have you ever
>> I don't like how you're saying it. But
anyway, they would roast a goat. He told
me uh whenever they would do a co [ __ ]
fight better. Feel better.
>> Well, it's not for me. It's for
>> for the culture.
>> For the Yeah. I mean, it is what it is.
A pit fight. A pit bull fight.
>> Actually, I wonder how you say it in
Spanish cuz Elco
>> So anyway, he lived in this
neighborhood. You would swear to God
that it was Mexico. It was crazy. Like
every sign was in Spanish. All the
people were in Spanish. There was
roosters everywhere. You just on his
street you hear
like all day long. It was like it was
crazy. And so he had this friend of
mine, friend of his rather, uh he went
to his we went to the backyard and in
the backyard there's just stacks and
stacks of rooster cages. They had so
many roosters. And they had these prize
roosters and they had a whole pit. So
they had a thing. It was almost like a
barn looking area. And you go in there
and there's a pit,
>> a cockpit.
>> And then that that's where they would
fight. And he he was showing me where
they would roast a goat. He said every
time they would have a a [ __ ] fight,
they'd roast a goat and everybody have
beers. And
>> well, if you're going to have a [ __ ]
fight, you might as well roast a goat.
>> That's what I said.
>> But if I had a cockpit in my backyard,
I'd get like a Delta pilot and an
American Airlines pilot and toss them in
>> and let them fight it out.
>> Let them fight it out in the cockpit.
>> Who do you think would win? probably
Delta because they have
>> the DEI program.
>> Do they?
>> Yeah.
>> Or in this case, they do the DI
>> the DIE program cuz someone ain't coming
out alive.
>> Well, I think we need pilots. So maybe
you should do it with someone that's
like over represented in the
marketplace. Like what what would be
like we could get rid of some of those
folks
>> who we could single out?
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Would be like we've
had enough. There's too many of you
guys.
>> Yeah.
Politicians.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Oh, yeah. Homeless advocates. I'd love
to see politicians get in a pit and
fight,
>> right?
>> Yeah.
>> Two men enter, one man leave. I mean,
that had to how it went down a long time
ago.
>> Yeah.
>> A long time ago.
>> Oh, you're talking like cavemen years.
>> Yeah. Tribal days.
>> Tribal day. Yeah.
>> Yeah. They probably had a fight.
>> Yeah.
>> My opponent's a piece of [ __ ] He wants
to steal all the coconuts.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Well, I think I think back then
the hierarchy worked based on physical
dominance, intimidation.
>> Mhm.
>> Like you'd be a good leader. You got you
got you're jacked.
>> Yeah. I'm not a good leader though
because I'd be like, you got to do what
you want to do. I'm not really
interested in running this place. I got
to get out of here.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Because once you decide
you're running it, you're stuck with
everything.
>> Yeah. And all the problems are your
problems.
>> Wow.
>> And everyone wants to kill you. Like who
the [ __ ] would want to be president?
This is why voting for president is a
real problem.
>> Yeah.
>> Like in 2028 it was like who's going to
win in 2028? Who's going to win? Who's
going to run? Who wants that [ __ ]
job? What normal healthy person wants
that job where at least half the country
is going to [ __ ] hate you. And the
people that you got in that got you in
like they're not going to be happy cuz
you're never going to be able to do what
you're saying you want to do. It's not
even possible. What' you just put up,
Jeremy?
>> Uh, I was going to say, do you think
they could start dueling again like they
did in the 178? They used to duel. Yeah.
>> Many periods of history, according to
Perplexity, our AR sponsor, politicians
fought literally with fists, canes,
swords, and pistols, and some famous
ones were killed or badly injured in
these clashes. 1700s, 1800s, dueling was
a common way for gentlemen and
politicians to defend their honor in
Europe and the United States. That would
be sick if congressmen, you know, if
like on they start screaming and yelling
at each other like they always do. Yeah.
>> I challenge you to a duel and everyone's
like, "Oh, let's [ __ ] die."
>> They go out on the White House lawn.
>> Andrew Jackson killed Charles Dickinson.
>> Yeah.
>> The author
>> and was wounded himself.
>> That's not the author, is it?
>> No, no, no, no, no. I mean,
>> that's Dickens. That's Dickens.
>> Oh, okay. [laughter]
I mean, that's a bad review for a book
when you go,
>> you piece of [ __ ]
>> I didn't like Tom Sawyer. Boom.
>> Did Dickens write Tom Sawyer
>> or Huck Finn?
>> No, no, no. That was um
>> Sammy Clemens. Mark Twain. Sammy
>> Twain.
>> Yeah.
>> What the hell did Dickens write?
>> Oh, I don't remember.
>> The uh the Christmas one.
>> Christmas one. The Grinch.
>> Which one did he write?
Grinch that stole
>> Oliver Twist. Christmas Carol is the one
I was trying to think of. David
Copperfield, Great Expectations.
>> Oh, he wrote that?
>> Yeah, Christmas Carol is one I was
thinking of.
>> Okay. He wrote some great stuff. What
year was um Put that thing up again
about the DS
>> because uh so Jackson killed someone
>> 1806.
>> In 1806. When was he president?
>> Later. It says later.
>> Wow.
>> Yeah. So he shot someone and then became
president. He was a murderer and he
became president.
>> Vice president did it in 1804.
>> Whoa.
>> JD Van's going out and shooting the
Treasury Secretary right now.
>> What? This is crazy. They had a pistol
duel with the Treasury Secretary.
[laughter]
>> Hamilton was mortally wounded and died
the next day.
>> That' be crazy to see right now.
>> Wow. Wow.
>> The UFC fights at the White House. Maybe
they could do that.
>> It ended this guy Burr's political
career. Scroll back up again. And Aaron
Burr. So was the vice president, Aaron
Burr, shot the [ __ ] Treasury
Secretary. That's crazy.
Former Treasury Secretary and killed him
and then it ended his career.
>> Even in 1804, they were like, "That's
outrageous." But isn't that crazy? That
was just the 1800s.
>> Yeah.
>> 200 years ago, they were shooting each
other.
>> And America's all about guns. So why
aren't we just doing that now? It would
end a lot of like really shitty
conversations. Yeah. Because a lot of
people they talk in a way they say
horrible mean things because they know
there's no repercussions.
>> Yeah.
>> If if they could just challenge you to a
fist fight on the Senate floor.
>> Look at
>> that was a thing.
>> Yeah.
>> Would change a lot.
>> 1856.
Representative Preston Brooks of South
Carolina entered the US Senate Chamber
and brutally beat Senator Charles Summer
of Massachusetts with a cane after
Summer gave an anti-slavery speech that
insulted Brook's cousin.
Summer was left unconscious and badly
injured.
>> Whoa.
Whoa. Because he gave an antislavery
speech. Imagine. Why'd you hit him? The
guy's against slavery. Oh
>> yeah. Yeah.
>> Did you use a weapon at least? Yeah.
He's a cane. He's against slavery.
>> What the hell are you going to do? Just
let him be against slavery?
>> Yeah. [laughter]
>> He insulted my cousin, a slave owner.
>> Wow.
>> Well, you know, America's like kind of
built on gun culture, so it sort of
seems to fit, you know.
>> Also, combat like Thank you. It's just a
little bit more. It's like violence.
There's going to be a UFC on the White
House lawn.
>> Yeah, that seems like a good safe place
to be, huh? Everyone's going to know
where all the world leaders are going to
be. We're all going to be stuck sitting
in that spot for six hours calling
fights.
>> You're going to be there, right?
>> Super safe. I feel completely safe.
>> You're going to be there, right?
>> Yeah. Oh, I'm going to be there.
>> Do you do you like the concept of it or
No,
>> I do not like it.
>> How come, guy?
>> Because it's outside and I think world
championship fights should be in a
controlled environment because out of
respect for the athletes and how
difficult it is to compete
professionally in a world title.
However,
>> I should say, however,
>> it's going to be a spectacle. Whether I
was there or not, I would be watching
100%.
>> It's uh I think it's awesome that Trump,
this is one of the things that I like
about him. He's like, "Fuck it. Let's do
it."
>> He puts on cage fights on the White
House lawn. That's nuts.
>> He's fearless.
>> But he does wild [ __ ] I like that. I
like that part. I don't like the Iran
war thing, but I like that. You don't
like the concept that uh Iran can no
longer have nuclear weapons.
>> I think that's better than a UFC fight.
>> That is a good concept. However, I don't
necessarily know there's a clear way to
get out of this. And if you know what we
did in Afghanistan for 20 years and how
much American taxpayer dollars were
spent and how many people lost their
lives,
>> but in Afghanistan, it felt like they
were just sweeping out like goat farmers
and guys hiding in caves. Whereas here
there's a directive where they're
preventing a rebel country from having a
bomb that could annihilate portions of
our planet. So I think that's a much
clearer and more positive agenda than
wiping out guys living in the hills of
Afghanistan creating opium.
>> That's true if it made sense. The
problem is uh I had Scott Horton on the
podcast explaining what is actually
involved in making depleted uranium and
making it weapons grade and what would
have to be done in order to get it to a
bomb level.
>> It's very difficult. It's it's not as
simple and they weren't nearly capable
of doing that. Not nearly, but pursuing.
>> It's a good question because they were
being he was also saying they were being
inspected on a regular basis. And
essentially, this is Israel wanting us
to go to this war. Israel wants Well,
and makes sense. If I was Israel, if we
were America and Mexico had nukes
pointed at us or whatever. It's not
nukes, but you know what I'm saying?
Like, if they did, if they were trying
to build a nuke, if Mexico and America
were constantly in conflict and Mexico
was trying to build a nuclear bomb,
That would be a good reason where I
America would want to go [ __ ] up Mexico.
Like, hey, you can't have a nuclear
bomb. This is Israel's position, right?
Israel's right there with Iran. They're
close enough. They're throwing missiles
at each other.
>> I get why they would want it. I just
don't know if it's a good thing for
America. And I don't know if there's a
way out of it.
>> Well, I think what we have to look at is
the bigger scope. If not America
cleaning it up, who does it? Who has the
power and the wherewithal to do it? You
know, we've used like twothirds of our
missiles doing it.
>> Yeah. But it leaves us vulnerable if
there's any other kind of a conflict.
We're like under armed right now.
>> I don't think we're ever underarmmed
when we have our Triton submarine force
lurking in the oceans 24/7 and nobody
knows they're there. Even members of
American military.
>> What do you know? How do you know this?
>> Oh, I know things, guy.
>> Did Billy tell you this?
>> Billy. Billy's dead. [laughter]
>> Wait a minute. Do you know something
about these Triton submarines for sure?
What do you know?
>> Well, they're they're they're
circumnavigating our oceans 24/7.
>> How many are there?
>> I think there's a fleet of 12 to 24. I
think it's closer to 12. But these
things can stay underwater for up to a
year. And most members of our American
government don't even know they're
there. They don't know where they are.
>> How much underwater jerking off is going
on right now?
>> Well, think about it. One Triton
submarine. Trident submarine
>> has how many guys on it?
>> I don't know how many guys, but it has
something like 24 nuclear warheads and
each warhead has 24 that break off. So,
one of these submarines could take out
half the world and we've got them going
all the time. So, whenever you're afraid
of any little hot spot in the world,
just remember that we have this going on
in the ocean. A lot of people don't know
about it.
>> I like you say this we [ __ ] when you're
Canadian.
>> Yeah.
>> Interesting. Yeah, when the [ __ ] hits
the fan, Canadians like to pretend
they're Americans. I don't like it.
>> I'm just not worried. Like, I'm not
worried about America ever being
vulnerable. It's It's an area. It's It's
a nautical force that you don't really
hear about, but if you were to look it
up, there's this there's this force out
there that could take out the world.
>> Well, Jamie just looked it up.
US Navy submarine force today consists
of about 53 of fast track of fast attack
submarines, 14 ballistic missile
submarines and four guided missile
submarines all nuclearpowered. That
yields a total of roughly 70 to 71
nuclear submarines in the force making
it the world's largest nuclear submarine
fre fleet. Why currently in the oceans
is classified except for people who talk
to Harlon.
>> Exactly. Harland knows the exact number
of US nuclear submarines at sea at any
moment and their locations are
classified for operational security. The
Navy does not release real-time
deployment figures. Public discussion
instead uses overall force and general
deployment concepts like continuous SSBN
deterrent patrols rather than daybyday
counts.
>> Mhm.
>> Okay, that makes me feel a little
better.
>> Well, you need not worry. And that's you
didn't even tap into the trident. The
trident are the nuclear ones that run
silent. So you can't ping them.
>> You can't go.
>> You can't That's That's pinging. That's
sonar.
>> What do you mean you can't use sonar to
fight?
>> You can't ping them. They're nuclear.
They're silent. They're silent predators
in the ocean.
>> Really?
>> They're huge. And I told you one one
nuclear warhead splits off into 16 or
24. So, one of these one of these damn
Trident submarines could put anyone in
its place at any time. So, don't you
worry about our missiles being depleted.
Mr. Joe Zachary Rogan. [laughter]
>> Zachary. How do they get a new nick?
>> I don't know. If I know about
submarines, I know about your middle
name. [laughter]
>> Okay, I'm going have to change my
license. In current open sources,
Trident submarines usually means US Navy
Ohio class ballistic missile submarines
that carry Trident 2 D5 nuclear
missiles. And there are 14 of these
boats.
>> There you go. And so these boats are
just floating around ready to [ __ ]
people up. So do you think it was a good
idea to go into Iran, start bombing?
>> I think whoever's the bad player, I
think it's a good idea. If it was North
Korea, Iran, Israel, Canada, Mexico,
>> anybody [ __ ]
>> whoever is causing [ __ ] in the world, we
don't have time for you. Let's get on.
Let's get in line. Let's all work
together or you get a timeout. You We
don't We don't have time for this
anymore. We're a society of
sophisticated human beings. We got to
move forward. There I am. Sonar guy.
>> Look at you, dude. That's That's me on a
trident. That's what you do in your
spare time.
>> Yeah, I ride around the world protecting
things.
>> They dye your hair before you go into
there? [laughter]
>> Triggered an old memory when he started
doing that,
>> right?
>> What movie was that in?
>> Down Periscope.
>> Down.
>> Wow. Look at you, dog.
>> Yeah, but this is real, guys. So, I'm
just saying to you, don't ever fret.
>> Okay.
>> There's no one on earth that can
threaten America.
>> How did 9/11 happen then?
>> Well, that that was landbased. That was
terrestrial and that was simple planning
and box cutting and hijacking.
>> But we're talking about global warfare,
nuclear war. Let's say Moscow launched
and hit seven of our cities tomorrow.
Well, guess what? Moscow
Debbie 7 or8 China submarine waiting
just offshore for you.
>> [laughter]
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>> Right. But there's no one left here to
celebrate cuz we're all dead.
>> It doesn't matter. America doesn't lose
is what I'm trying to tell you, my guy.
>> Oh, we still win when everyone's dead.
>> Yeah. Still win. The guys floating
around in the Indian Ocean and the
Atlantic and the North Sea.
>> So those will be the new civilization.
>> America wins even when they lose, my
guy. Maybe that's why the aliens are
under the water. Maybe they're the ones
that survived.
>> You believe that?
>> The apocalypse.
>> Yeah, I don't know about the aliens
under the water.
>> Tim Burett was on this podcast.
>> Well, what does he know?
>> He said that there are three. Did he say
three bases or five?
>> I don't remember.
>> When your last name's [ __ ]
>> No, no, no. It's Bett. It's my
>> He's a very honest man.
>> So, what did he say?
>> He said that there's these three
location. I think it's three. See if
three or five. I can't remember which
one.
>> Hang on, let me tell you. [laughter]
>> Five.
>> So, you said there's these spots under
the o where regularly they have these
events where things come out of the
ocean.
>> When you say things, are we talking
giant squid? Are we talking
extraterrestrial?
>> They're talking crafts that move in a
way that we can't right now. 500 miles
an hour under the water. They're
transmedium, meaning they can go above
the ground and in the water with no, it
doesn't seem like it's causing them any
resistance. Yeah.
>> Bashett said there are five underwater
bases, and in some reports it's f it's
phrased as five or six. What
>> the clearest reporting says he pointed
to five areas in the US waters where
such bases could be. So they there's a
bunch of areas in the ocean and if you
think like you were going to hide
something,
>> that's where you would hide it. We can't
we don't go in the ocean that much,
right? On land. We go in the ocean, but
we don't know the ocean. It hasn't been
mapped. I think we've only mapped less
than 10% of the ocean floor.
>> We know more about the surface of the
moon than we knew know about the bottom
of the ocean. Correct.
>> And so when they're if they if they were
here, that would be the place to hide.
Just go to the deepest parts of the
ocean where no one can go.
>> Yeah.
>> And you build bases
>> cuz if they can travel here from another
planet.
>> Yeah.
>> James Cameron went to the bottom of the
Mariana Trench. We watched a video of it
the other day.
>> Fascinating. So he did that in 2012. If
he can do that, for sure something that
can come here from another planet can
also go down there and most likely set
up a base.
>> I'm skeptical. I don't I'm not denying
it, but I'm I'm thinking if you're an
extraterrestrial
and you're coming to a planet like ours,
what what's the upside of
>> going deep down into a trench that's I
think it's what, three, four, five miles
deep? The areoli trench.
>> Areoli.
>> What's it called?
>> Huh? [laughter]
>> Areola's the thing around
>> your tits.
>> Did you catch this yesterday? Probably.
Maybe not. The new Disclosure Day
trailer.
>> I did.
>> So Steven Spielberg's in it.
>> Yeah. He's saying,
>> first of all, bro, cut your nails.
You're freaking me out. Scratch. You
scratch.
>> He's a nose picker. Some people keep
them long to get boogers.
>> Spielberg probably likes to pull out a
crank out a greeny. Boy,
>> picture Spielberg laying in bed at night
just cranking out a greeny and eating
it.
>> So he said that he believes that we are
being visited much. I don't think he
does that. He's a respectful.
>> Look at those nails. Those are booger
picking nails.
>> He's just too busy to trim his nails.
>> I don't know. He probably could have
someone trim those dirty booger nails.
>> You think that's what they are?
>> He looks like an eye eye almost.
>> What if he had like one long coke nail?
What if he had like one long pink nail?
>> Like an eye eye? Like a [ __ ] coke
nail, bro.
>> You ever seen an eye?
>> It's like those [snorts] dudes, they
grow the pinky nail long to let
everybody know they do coke.
>> Pull up an eye, Jamie.
>> What does that mean?
>> You'll see in a second. Dr. Coke nail.
>> Jesus.
>> A e a y.
>> Maybe it's that ink from the tattoo.
That
>> Now show them the middle finger of the
eye.
>> Whoa. Look at that hook. So, they have
an elongated middle digit that they
stick deep down into coconuts and
melons.
And uh that's a Spielberg hook right
there. [laughter]
>> That is what the fingers look like. Look
at that. That's Spielberg at night
laying in his water bed picking
greenies.
>> I don't think he does that.
>> I think he does. There's one in his
beard right there.
>> I feel bad that I brought it up.
>> Look, there's the hand. There's the eye.
Oh,
>> I I H.
>> And isn't it interesting, Joe, if we go
full circle, if you're down in a Trident
submarine and the captain says, "Press
X572 and obliterate Iran right now." The
operator would go, "I I sir."
[snorts]
>> I don't think they say that. I think
they say Roger.
>> Well, the guy's name is Roger.
>> Why do they say Roger?
>> Huh?
>> I wonder why they say that name. Like
it's not Mike.
>> Roger was based off of the Jolly Roger,
the flag, the skull and crossbone. So
the nautical term Roger came from that.
Jolly Roger.
>> Yeah, but the military uses that too.
Roger that,
>> right? But they adopted it from the uh
the Navy.
>> Let's find out if that's true.
>> Yeah, I was going to find what what is
Roger the term Roger that. Where's that
come from?
>> As I'm looking that up, do you know why
pirates wear an eye patch?
>> Cuz they cut their [ __ ] eye off.
>> No. Oh, so they could uh see better at
distance
>> at night under the under the ship
because it's dark,
>> right? Yeah. It's uh for
when you know light when you get
accustomed to darkness
>> the more But why does why does having
one eye closed?
So, do they put the patch over the other
eye when they go under at night?
>> Yes, you switch.
>> Whoa.
>> They switch eyes.
>> So, they they never have to get adjusted
to the dark. Well, that's crazy. Yes.
So, Roger has to do with Morse code
according to
>> that is actually kind of amazing. What a
smart move. You put one patch over your
eye during the daytime and one patch at
night and you can always see.
>> Y
>> originally stood for the letter R which
is used as shorthand for received in
Morse code. Yeah.
>> In an early radio. So saying Roger means
I received your message.
>> Oh. Oh, interesting. And it also hankers
back to the skull and crossbones. The
Jolly Roger, if you pull that up,
>> I don't think it does.
>> Yeah, it is. It's a derivative of the uh
cranial area of the uh the tib the tibia
cross the cranial.
>> Jamie doesn't believe you.
>> The hell's going on?
>> When Jamie laughs, I know something's
up.
>> What is uh Jolly Roger? No, the Roger
and radio talk and the Roger and Jolly
Roger come from different traditions and
are not historically connected. Do you
think this is maybe top secret
information that you know and maybe you
just made a mistake by telling the whole
world?
>> Can I answer it with uh
[laughter]
you've just been sonar player. So
imagine [clears throat]
if there was a super sophisticated uh
intelligent civilization that existed
way before ours like 30,000 years ago
and then they had developed underwater
travel, space travel, all that jazz.
Then the apocalypse comes and the only
ones that survive are the Trident
submarine guys that are in the ocean,
>> right?
>> Maybe that's why all these bases are in
the ocean. Maybe they are the the last
remaining survivors of a super advanced
civilization
>> that existed thousands and thousands of
years before like Mesopotamia.
>> But my point to you, Joe, good point.
Valid. Valid.
>> Think about it for Daddy's going to
play. I'm not even refuting it, but I'm
going to
>> roll it around the old Canadian. roll it
around and I'm going to come back at you
with an argument that if I'm an
intelligent life force and I've got this
sphere with oceans and land, why do I
want to make life harder for myself? Do
you know the pressure that you're at 3
miles down in the ocean? The amount of
pressure that come look what happened to
that little that little submarine that
popped about three years ago,
>> right? So why do you want to live in an
environment where you have so much
pressure when you could simply land on
the terrestrial plane and live
pressurefree? Because if they are
insanely advanced, one of the things
that's proposed is that they have some
sort of a gravity bubble and this is how
they move through space and this is how
they don't use propulsion that they
essentially us through space.
>> Exactly. That's why these crafts act as
transmedium crafts. When these crafts
are flying and they go into the ocean,
the the ocean rather, there's virtually
no splash.
>> And they're moving 500 miles.
>> Frictionless.
>> Exactly. They're not they're not
existing in the same spaceime as we are.
They have a bubble and this bubble
completely distorts everything around
them. [snorts] So you're saying if they
descended into the depths of our ocean,
they wouldn't experience the pressure
because the bubble
>> Exactly.
>> is forcing off the pressure. Exactly.
>> Interesting.
>> But still, okay.
>> What is your purpose for going
underwater when you could just land on
the surface of the Earth?
[clears throat]
>> Maybe they're observing us and making
sure that we don't [ __ ] things up.
>> But how can they observe us if they're 3
miles underwater? Well, they come out of
the water, Harland. That's the whole
reason why they know they're there, cuz
they keep experiencing these crafts that
are rising out of the water in these
very specific locations.
>> Yeah.
>> You seem like a disinformation agent
from the government or something.
>> I am. I am.
>> It seems like it.
>> I am.
>> You should work out on being a little
more stealthy.
>> What do you mean?
>> Because it's very obvious to me that
you're what the kids call controlled
opposition.
>> Well, that could be me
counterintuitively
pre-programming you to think sideways.
What would be the benefit of that? I'm
not experiencing these ways of
espionage.
>> What's the benefit of living a mile down
in the ocean in the Areoli Rift?
>> I think this the [clears throat] whole
reason they're in the ocean is because
that's where we won't find them. Like if
you wanted to watch like a civilization,
if we went to another planet, okay,
let's say this, we let's say we go to
another planet and we find people that
are living like cave people. They're
killing each other with spears. They're,
you know, robbing and raiding villages.
If we wanted to just observe and we had
the ability to observe from the sky
motionless with no sound at all and just
watch them, don't you think we would do
that?
>> Yeah.
>> We wouldn't interfere. We would want to
know as much about them as we could.
>> Right.
>> Every now and then when one of them was
going to get watered, we [ __ ] dart
them with a tranquilizer dart, check
their DNA, take some jizz, and then
leave them there just like they do to
us. We would do the exact same stuff if
we could do it. If we were just a little
more advanced than we are now. So not,
you know, millions of years in advance,
which we think maybe possibly some
civilizations are, but maybe a hundred
years or a thousand years.
>> And we found a planet and that planet
had cave people on it.
>> 100% we would do most of the things that
these aliens are doing.
>> If we had a way where we could dart them
and tranquilize them and they'd have no
idea that we did it and they would just
wake up in the jungle confused, we would
do it. If we did medical tests on them,
if we could take them, [clears throat]
bring her to a secure medical facility
that we had, maybe in a helicopter or
some sort of a spaceship that we've
created, and we run some tests on them,
take some sperm, take some skin samples,
do a [ __ ] cat scan on them, whatever,
and then put them back in the jungle. We
would do it 100%.
>> This isn't Mutual of Omaha's Wild
Kingdom. We're not W the Beast. We're
not seals. Like, clearly they share some
of the intelligence we have. They're
masters of aeronautics. We've mastered
aeronautics in our physical plane. So
what's with all the mystery? Like if
they can communicate and they can talk
and they can build
>> as we can. It's not like
>> No, we're too primitive.
>> Why don't they just How do you know
that?
>> Because if something
>> Why don't they just go, "Hey, let's go.
Let's go chat to the idiots."
>> No.
>> If we're that dumb. At least we can
communicate.
>> I think you have
>> our fighter jets fly with their fight.
Our fighter jets track them. We lock on
to them.
>> No, they're not.
>> So, we're sharing aeronautical
intelligence.
>> No, no, no. They're not sharing. They're
trying to find them and then they dart
away and move in ways that we can't
explain.
>> But we see them. We track them. We share
the same airspace. We're both flying. I
don't know why I'm getting so fired up.
[laughter]
>> Yeah. But still, dude, if we went to
another planet and found
Australiathecus, we found an early
human, you know, one of the early
primates,
>> okay?
>> 100% we would dart it.
>> 100% we would tranquilize it. We would
run tests on it. We would want to know
about it 100%.
>> Okay? You're talking about a
Neanderthal,
>> right? That's what we are to them. If
they're the little grays with the big
heads and they communicate
telepathically and they could fly here
instantaneously from other solar
systems, we might as well be the ape
people.
>> But why the evasion? Like if you saw
Homopicus or whatever it's called,
>> Australia
>> holding up a cell phone, would you still
go, let's dart it and probe it and let
it go? I want you just go, "Hey, that
that monkeyy's got a cell phone. Let's
go talk to it. We can talk. We have cell
phones." Like why the why the mysterious
distance? Like if they're in the ocean
and they know we're intelligent beings,
why not just come up and say, "Hey,
anyone want to go snorkeling?"
>> I think Australiathecus with a spear is
about as intelligent to us as we are to
them. But if they have an evolved
language and they have communities and a
civilization, isn't that enough for us
to just walk into camp and go, "Hey
guys, I mean, they did it with with tri
with uh, you know,
uh, tribes that live in the Amazon.
Who's that guy? Who's the guy they
boiled in the pot?" That famous saying
uh, what's that famous? Oh, I can't
think of it right now. Uh, but anyways,
we we wandered into into the Amazon and
walked right up to like weird Amazon
tribal people. It's not like we hid and
tried to hide from them.
>> Yeah. But they didn't know those people
were even there.
>> But when they found them, they
integrated. They approached them. They
go, "Hey, this is a t-shirt. This is a
camera."
>> Those are human beings that are the
exact same kind of human beings as the
people that were visiting them. They're
not different species.
Still,
>> no.
>> So, if you Joe Rogan were out in a field
one day
>> Uhhuh.
>> and you saw a new species of like people
jumping around having a picnic, sharing
a salami,
>> would you would you just hide behind a
log and watch them or would you would
you go, "Hey, uh, who are you? What are
you?"
>> Well, you're not even allowed to contact
unconted people.
>> Say that again. You're not allowed to
contact like North Sentinel Island, that
island in the middle of the Indian Ocean
where that uh preacher went and got
killed because he was trying to bring
them Bibles,
>> right?
>> You're not allowed to contact unconted
tribes.
>> Uh is that like all of them?
>> Most of them.
>> I don't think so.
>> Indian Ocean, they they they have that
North Sentinel Island protected. And you
know, there's people that discourage
people from contacting people in the
Amazon. There's several unconted tribes
in the Amazon. I wish they'd stay that
way. Yeah.
>> Stay unconted.
>> Well, I don't want to see a beautiful
like Pygmy or someone from an Amazonian
tribe wearing an Adidas shirt.
>> Why not?
>> Or a Hooters shirt.
>> Hooters would be funny.
>> No,
>> that'd be funny.
>> I want to see them wearing like cuckook
feathers and uh you know, hookah pick
bones. Leave them alone.
>> Spear fishing with a BE hat on.
>> Joe, come on guy. No. [laughter]
No. See, that's
>> why not.
>> Well, then that's why the aliens under
the ocean are staying away from us. They
don't want to be corrupted by our
ridiculous society of Hooters and
Cracker Barrels.
>> Okay. If you were in the Amazon,
wouldn't you want a t-shirt?
>> If I was if you were walking through the
Amazon, you Harlon Williams. Yeah.
>> The third right now alive in 2026. If
you were in the Amazon and I said,
"Would you like to wear a t-shirt while
you're walking through the Amazon?"
Yeah.
>> What would you say
>> as a white North American male?
>> I'd say definitely.
>> And they want one, too. It's better than
no t-shirt.
>> No, it's not.
>> There's a tribe of five people and one
of them has a shirt.
>> One of them's got a tight shirt. I hate
that.
>> Look, he's got flip flops. That guy on
the right is ball. That is the baller of
the [ __ ] neighborhood. That's the guy
that pulls up in the 65 Chevel and
everybody's like, "Look at him with his
flipflops."
>> I think that's that guy who wrote
Margaritavville. What was his name?
[laughter]
>> Jimmy Buffett.
>> That's Jimmy Buffett for God's sake.
Mike read about
>> what's it called?
Isn't [laughter] that him?
>> I think that's him.
>> Where's him?
>> Get away again.
>> Well, we get dinged on YouTube for that.
Jamie,
>> it's very You guys are getting way too
close. Yeah,
>> you know, you get dinged like
>> Oh, you can't sing.
>> They take away your [ __ ] advertising
revenue if you hum a song.
>> Okay,
>> the these dirty criminals.
>> Wow.
>> Hum a song. You dirty scumbags trying to
steal advertising money.
>> What if we mess with them and hum a tune
and sort of play name that tune with
them? And if they'll do, they'll [ __ ]
ding you.
>> Even if they can't figure it out, like
they've got to sit around the office.
>> They'll pretend. Then you have to go to
court.
>> Name that tune in seven notes. And I'm
like,
>> don't do it. Don't do it.
>> Do you know what I just did?
>> You [ __ ] us up. That's You know what
song that was?
>> I don't care.
>> I do.
>> What is it? It was uh that Pink Floyd uh
song.
>> No, no, no. Don't you don't say that
because then they'll get us.
>> Yeah, but they don't know which one.
>> Doesn't matter.
>> And they can't prove it.
>> They They don't have That's what you
don't understand. They don't have to
prove it.
>> Oh,
>> all they have to do is make a claim.
>> Huh?
>> And then you have to fight it and you'll
lose.
>> You're Joe Rogan, though. They're not
going to mess with you, guy.
>> Oh, you're so incorrect.
>> By the way, dude, you are jacked.
>> I work out.
>> Can we get your shirt off?
>> No. [laughter]
How come?
Joe, don't be selfish.
I want you to Would you please take your
shirt off?
>> For what reason?
>> Because you have a beautiful body.
>> Okay.
>> And you work so hard at it. And no one
gets to see it. And you know, you want
people to see it, but you can't do it.
You can't go, "Well, I'm Joe Rogan. I
crafted this body." But if I ask you to,
you get to show it off.
>> I don't really want to show it off.
That's why I wear clothes.
>> You do though.
>> But I don't.
>> It's like if you did this podcast but
didn't put it out. What's the point?
>> I don't think that's the same thing.
>> I would love it if you showed your
beautiful body.
>> Okay. [clears throat]
>> I love it.
>> There you go.
>> Oh yeah, Joe.
Dude, can we stand? No, that's enough.
>> Dude, look at that.
>> I have muscles.
>> Can we talk about before you put the
shirt on? Can we talk about it?
>> What do you want to talk about?
>> How you do that?
>> I work out. You could do it, too.
>> Well,
>> do you work out?
>> Yeah.
>> How often?
>> Do you really want to get into this?
>> Sure.
>> You do?
>> Yeah. How often do you work out?
>> Because I'm about to crack an egg open
on your show that I don't think anyone's
ever talked about.
>> How often you work out?
>> A lot.
>> Yeah.
What are you doing these days?
>> Okay. You want to get into this?
>> Sure.
>> Here we go. Here we go. Joseph Zachary
Rogan.
>> I'm I don't want to get in trouble. But
I'm working out. By the way, beautiful
body. Your chest is stunning. See, I'm
glad
>> it doesn't even make me uncomfortable
that you say that. Like some men I would
be like, "This is odd."
>> No. No. I'm not a fly guy.
>> What does that mean?
>> Like homosexual. [laughter]
>> [laughter]
>> I'm straight as they come, but I believe
in holding up people's hard work. And
that didn't just come from sitting
around eating Pringles and BaskinRobins.
You worked your ass off. You deserve to
show it. And you never could cuz it's
you. And now I get to help celebrate
you. And all your fans got to see all
that hard work. And I love it, guy.
Okay. But I'm straight as a Chinese
truck driver.
>> Chinese truck drivers are never gay.
>> Never. Is
>> that part of the job?
>> Yeah.
>> There. Seriously though, how many dudes
are jerking off under the ocean?
>> How many guys are jerking off to you
just taking your shirt off?
>> A couple. But how many guys are jerking
off to me taking my shirt off while
they're under the ocean?
>> Let me check. If you got 14 subs, how
many people are on each sub? How many
men are on each sub?
It might not be known.
>> Let's take a guess.
>> They keep it very secret. If you had to
guess, how many people are on each sub?
>> I'm going to say [laughter]
no.
>> A thousand.
>> A lot more than that.
>> Really?
>> On the on the Trident. The Trident are
like floating cities. number it gave me
might be including all submarines,
including like every government, not
just ours.
>> Okay. But how many how many people are
on each submarine?
>> How many like could one of those
submarines hold?
>> A small one is 30 to 70. I'll show you a
large
>> a small one.
>> Yeah.
>> Large one is 120 to 140.
>> Wow.
>> That seems about it. Big 160 maybe max.
>> And there's 14 of them. So, there's at
least a thousand dudes underwater right
now.
>> It said there's 40 to 70,000.
[clears throat]
>> 40 to 70,000 guys under the water.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Wa.
>> So, don't worry about United States
taking a hit. My god,
>> this is crazy.
>> This wild.
>> That's a crazy statistic.
>> Are you glad I dropped by today?
>> I'm always glad when you drop by, but
this is crazy. 40 to 70,000 people are
underwater in submarines at any given
moment with huge uncertainty. Why? We
can only estimate. No navy or company
publishes a live count of how many
submarines are deployed right now or how
many crew are aboard each one and how
many deployments are classified.
Civilian research and tourism subs are
also not tracked in a global real-time
way.
>> Wow.
>> Wow.
>> That's crazy. So that could be a whole
new civilization. So if they blow up the
earth, but how many chicks?
>> Well, that's the thing. The ratio is
probably not good. The ratio is probably
non-existent. How many chicks are in
these subs?
>> That's classified.
>> Are they Do they have girls that serve
in these subs?
>> There's There's girl submariners.
>> What is the number? It's like 10 to one.
>> And worse, what do they look like? But I
bet they're the [ __ ] cream of the
crop underwater cuz this the pressure
squeezes in all the cellulite.
>> No. No. There's no other girls.
>> Oh, they're the Oh, yeah. You got You
get
>> No competition. Yeah. No competition.
Like how many ladies? Let's take a guess
of how many ladies are underwater at any
given time. 20.
>> Yeah.
>> 10%.
>> 10%.
>> Women are likely well under 10% of
submarines worldwide with higher
percentages in a few navies such as US
and some NATO allies. Those are the ones
that are in trouble.
>> There's 609 uh assigned to submarines in
the US.
>> Wow. 609 women get getting how many
dudes hitting on them?
>> Yeah.
It's That would must be hell. Be
underwater with a guy who's annoying you
and you can't get away from him.
>> Can't get away. He's farting. [sighs]
>> Underwater sex.
>> Underwater farts must be horrible.
>> But let's
>> What do they do with the [ __ ]
>> They don't come up sometimes for months.
>> Oh yeah. The trident go out for I think
a year almost.
>> And so what do they do with their [ __ ]
>> They just eject it. They eject it into
the sea.
>> They're not doing anything a whale isn't
doing. But do they eject it into the
sink?
>> They have to. I mean, they can't make
meatloaf.
>> Can you imagine if like during that
process somehow or another it got
clogged up cuz somebody used too much
toilet paper and the sub sinks?
>> Yeah. A fatty
>> cuz Javier just took a giant dump.
>> They might melt it.
>> Melt it.
>> They can rise up too. Don't forget they
can break
>> throw it into the nuclear pit where the
engines
>> can manage trash by compacting, melting,
or jettisoning it to avoid det.
>> Okay, that's trash. What about poop?
>> Well, I that's I said
>> did you ask about poop? Ask about poop
just specifically because waste could
mean, you know, paper cups.
>> It's the same thing though. I would
always go now if you were jettisoning
your poop everywhere, you might want to
have detectors for human waste in the
water and you might start figuring out
where the submarines are. So maybe you
don't want to do that. He's operating on
another level
in the 40s probably.
>> This is a dude that's into conspiracies.
>> Jamie,
>> he operates on other levels.
>> Tracking.
>> Do you know that term can neither
confirm nor deny came from a Russian
submarine that was sunk that we were
pulling out of the ocean and there was
and they had to they got questioned
about it and they said, "Are are we in
possession of this r Russian sub? Are we
pulling it out of the ground?" And they
said, "We can neither confirm nor deny."
Because they had to answer.
>> So that is an answer without an answer.
>> I can neither confirm nor deny.
>> That's akin to saying pleading the
fifth.
>> Sort of. But it's you actually are
answering. You can neither confirm nor
deny.
>> That's like saying I'm What do you do
for a living? I'm in heating and air
conditioning.
>> No, because that's a very specific
trade.
>> Well, they kind of counteract each
other. What do you do? I'm in shipping
and receiving. [laughter]
Are you sure? I can neither confirm nor
deny.
>> I see.
>> I mean, this is an avoidance uh problem
that But I want to talk to you about my
workout regime.
>> Okay.
>> Cuz you asked.
>> I did ask.
>> I'm doing something so advanced.
Uh you do the ice baths, right?
>> Mhm.
>> You you soak in them.
>> Yep.
So, I'm doing something so extensive
that I'm exercising myself into a new
race.
>> What are you becoming?
>> And no one's said this before on your
podcast, I don't think, but I'm working
out so hard to become a new race.
And two words,
Gara Ruffa. You take your ice baths,
garam, my guy.
>> What is that?
>> Jamie, look it up and do it quick, you
[ __ ]
I mean, do it quick. [laughter]
>> A garafa.
>> Look it up. You're becoming a fish.
>> Oh, that's not any fish. The garuffa
people submerse their legs and feet into
the tanks and the garuffa have vibrating
lips, Joe, and they eat skin cells.
Picture this. Underwater.
>> So those the ones like when you go into
Thailand and ladies dump their legs into
a fish pond,
>> right? Vibrating lips.
>> Clean your toes off,
>> Joe?
>> Mhm.
And how are you working out to become
one of those? So, while you're taking
your ice baths,
>> Yeah.
>> I'm submerging my whole body, my lower
>> extremities
into one of these tanks.
>> These fish are sculpting my body, my
lower extremities.
And have you ever heard of malaria
pills?
>> Yes.
>> So, while everyone else is popping ompic
and doing everything else, I've been on
malaria pills for four years.
And these things can flip your blood
platelets. Okay, that's the power of
malaria pills. They can actually change
your red blood cell count and your white
blood cell count. It's powerful
medicine.
>> Okay.
>> So, with the use of my malaria pills
and the garuffas
and I don't know if you want to see the
results, but my legs are hammerjacked
right now.
>> Let me see them. Let's see. My legs are
power. Take your pants off.
>> Okay. Come on.
>> Okay. Are you sure?
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> And before I do it,
>> I'm I'm going into a new race and I
don't want anyone to accuse me of doing
black leg.
>> Notice he has baggy pants on.
>> I don't know if you've ever seen the
fastest man in the world is who?
>> Hussein Bolt.
>> Hussein Bolt. The biggest high jumper in
the world is a black man. The longest
long jumper is a black man. The f
highest vertical jumper is a black man.
And this isn't racist. This isn't black
leg. But this is me.
>> What are you doing?
>> Working out into a new race. And I'm
proud of this.
>> Pull your pants off.
[laughter]
>> I wouldn't be laughing if I were you.
These legs are jacked.
[laughter]
[screaming]
[gasps]
>> Look at these legs.
>> Why are they a different color?
>> Well, I told you I'm working out into
another race.
>> You have [ __ ] serious leg muscles,
man.
>> Yeah.
>> Where'd you get those leg muscles?
>> I told you.
>> What's going on with your underwear?
That's kind of crazy.
>> What do you mean?
>> My underwear are covering it. What kind?
What the the [ __ ] do you have on your
legs?
>> Dude, I told you I'm working out right
into another race.
>> Are those your real legs? That's very
impressive. You don't have like silicon
over them or anything? Those your actual
leg muscles, bro.
>> Wait a minute. Why is
>> giant leg muscles?
>> Why is it you can take your shirt off
and I don't I compliment you,
>> but it's like your legs don't m mass.
They don't m match up with the rest of
your
>> cuz the colors off.
>> No, the muscles are crazy. Stand up
again. Yeah,
>> those muscles are insane.
>> Yeah, look at these.
>> Are those real?
>> Well, what?
>> Tell me the truth. They look like
plastic.
>> What are you talking about?
>> It looks like you're wearing something.
>> J, come on,
>> Jamie. Those are the most insane legs
I've ever seen in my life. Right. Right.
>> If that was a guy weighing in at a UFC
fight, that would make sense. But
>> go viral.
>> Two words. Gara Ruffa.
>> Where'd you get those legs,
>> dude? I sink them.
>> So, if I sit in the tank, I'll get legs
like that.
>> Well, are you taking malaria pills?
Oh, no.
>> You do my combo.
>> Do you want to
>> stand up? Let me see the pants.
[laughter]
>> I mean,
>> and look at the skin difference.
[snorts]
>> Pull take your shirt off so I can see
where the skin changes color.
>> I Excuse me.
>> I want to see where the skin changes
color.
>> If you take your shirt off again, I
will.
>> But I just did.
>> But I want to do it together.
>> Okay, do it together.
>> [laughter]
>> You son of a [ __ ] You son of a [ __ ]
You Rogan. [laughter] What have you done
for? What? Where did you get those
[ __ ] pants? [laughter]
>> Broke. [laughter]
>> Don't fall in there. Don't go in there.
>> A gourd.
THE only thing I could fit in there was
a gourd. [laughter]
Oh my [snorts] god.
[laughter]
Oh,
[laughter]
Joe.
When I first saw your legs, I was like,
"What the [ __ ] is going on? How does he
have legs like that?"
>> I noticed earlier he's got some baggy
pants on. [laughter]
>> I know. Jes
weird.
>> Where the [ __ ] did she get those pants?
>> Dude, [snorts]
why can't I look good?
>> You look great.
>> God.
>> Like, you could wear those like to a
pool, like a public pool, and the ladies
would definitely be checking you out.
>> Yeah.
>> Like, look at his gourd.
>> Can I leave the gourd with Dimmitri? Can
we add to the collection?
>> I'm going to have people smell it. I'm
going to tell them, "Smell that." smell.
>> That was in Harlon Williams pants,
>> dude.
>> Not even in his pants. It was like
rubbing up against his [ __ ]
>> I'm going to leave that there for people
to smell.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Next time someone comes in, what's
all this stuff here? Grab it first.
>> I'm like, smell that.
>> Can I pull my pants up?
>> You Yeah, sure.
>> Feels weird sitting here with my pants
down.
>> Well, you are wearing pants. You're
wearing rubber pants.
>> Well,
>> rubber muscle pants.
>> Come on.
>> Don't you want legs like that for real,
>> Joe? Wouldn't that be awesome?
>> That's like me saying, "Don't you want a
chest like that for real? You're hairier
than I thought."
>> Really?
>> Are you part Armenian?
[laughter]
>> Are you?
>> No.
>> No.
>> Great. [clears throat]
Hang on. I got to pull my pants up.
[laughter]
God
from behind. [laughter] Put the board
back in.
THERE WE GO. [laughter]
AH, STUCK.
Blur that. I don't know.
>> Do we have to blur it?
>> I don't know.
>> No, it's a gourd.
>> And you're worried about a song getting
dinged. [laughter]
>> Oh my god.
[laughter]
>> Silly [ __ ] Ch.
[snorts]
[laughter]
>> Oh my god.
>> Do you know how
>> I'm crying?
>> Do you know how moist my balls are right
now?
>> How bad that gourd must smell?
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But I am proud of you because [laughter]
[laughter]
Oh my god.
>> I'm proud of you that you took your
shirt off cuz I'm not joking. You worked
so hard for that.
>> Thank you.
>> And you could never show it. You had to
have a conduit. You had to have someone
invite you to do it so it didn't look
self-centered or conceited. You deserve
to show that hard work to the world.
Thank you.
>> Good for you. And you look great.
>> Thank you very much.
>> You're welcome. I love it. And I hope
it's an inspiration to people watching
to want to be as physically fit and put
together. It's great. Right.
>> Sure.
>> I feel like remember when you were a
kid, they had those books where you
could take half a body and half a body
and remember their little kids books and
you'd fold them.
>> Yeah. You fold them over.
>> I feel like if we took your upper part
and put it on my lower part, we'd have
the immaculate human being. And then
those fart bubbles from the bottom of
the ocean won't have a trouble coming
around.
>> Yeah.
>> You look like me and Joe Zachary Rogan,
those fart bubbles from the areoli
drench will come up and suck us a dirty
lasagna.
Sorry, I get excited, Joe.
>> Maybe it's the like forever chemicals
leaking through the rubber underwear
you're wearing. [laughter]
>> They're not underwear. How dare you?
Those are my legs.
>> You should take them off cuz you're
sweating that's leeching into your blood
right now. All the BPAs.
>> God, I don't want to die. But you know
what's interesting? My legs are bronze.
>> And we don't talk about the bronze
people. We always talk about white and
black,
>> but
>> what about the bronzies,
>> the Incas, the Mayas?
>> I mean, these people and the legs on
them. Did you ever see Apocalyptto? And
I don't know if this is in any history
books anywhere, but those bronzies could
motor.
>> Yeah, true.
>> So, I've got legs where if I'm being
chased, if a rapist is coming after me,
I'm out of here. There's three men in
this room. Two of you are getting raped.
Not me.
>> Wow.
>> Yeah.
I mean, these legs, I could jump over uh
Dolly Parton's gazebo.
>> By the way, speaking of Areola, have you
seen hers?
>> I haven't.
>> They're the size of lily pads. I had I
had a one nighter with her about three
weeks ago. She's
>> a one night show.
>> A one night stand. We were jackhammering
all night. Picked her up at a bar in
Malibu. Hammer jack.
>> I don't think it was really Dolly
Parton. It was It was She goes out.
>> Oh, she was that night.
>> You sure it wasn't a lady wearing a
mask,
>> dude? It was her. And her areas are the
size of lily pads. I'm not kidding. I
woke up in the morning, there were two
bullfrogs sitting on her tits.
>> Why you looking at me like that?
>> She's kind of old to be [ __ ]
>> Not for me. Have you seen my legs?
>> Also, she's a very respected lady. I
think it's very rude. 80.
It's the way I said effing. We We made
love.
>> Oh, okay. I feel better.
>> We made love and her areas are the size
of lily pads.
>> I feel a lot better now. Thanks.
>> Yeah. Sorry. I didn't mean to.
>> Yeah.
>> I should keep it classy.
>> Do you like them big? The big areas.
>> I like a big areola. Reminds me of a
pancake.
>> Yeah.
>> Like sometimes I'll put a dollop of
butter on it.
>> It's a robust woman. Like it's a lot
going on there. As big areas.
>> And the dark ones. And they're great to
take with you camping. If you ever have
a rubber raft and you get a hole in it,
you can rip one off and patch it.
>> Oh Jesus.
>> Yeah,
>> that's not what I was thinking.
>> Well, you don't camp much.
>> Just bring a patch.
>> Yeah, but if you don't have one, you can
rip off a dirty areoli
>> that you're hoping you're going to get
out of the woods.
>> Well, if you can't and you're with a
chick, you got an areoli.
>> Lose your areola forever just because
you forgot to bring a patch.
>> Yeah, but it's What do you want? one
you're one areoli less so you have your
life back
>> plus if she's 80 they don't those don't
heal that good she could die from
infection
>> it's about living it's not about
>> having an areoli
you want to get out of the woods or not
uh one titty Jackson or whatever her
name is
>> okay tough love
>> speaking of sex have you been on this
only fans thing
>> have you gone on
>> no I don't go
>> it's all I'm hearing about you right all
you hear about now is only fans
fans.com.
>> Yep. They do comedy shows.
>> I finally go on this thing cuz it's all
I'm hearing about. Onlyfans.com. I go on
about a week ago and I'm on there for
about two hours and it's just video
after video after picture and I'm on
there so long my eyes are like
>> right
>> spinning. And finally I stop the damn
thing and I'm like screw this. I already
have central air conditioning. Why the
hell am I looking at this site? I don't
need a fan.
I mean, good lord.
[clears throat]
I'll pull my legs out. I will pull my
dirty bronze legs out and wrap them
around your neck like a dirty anaconda.
>> What the [ __ ] is wrong with you? Do you
think if you're a woman you'd be doing
Only Fans?
>> You know, it's an interesting question.
It's a moral moral dilemma, isn't it?
>> Let's imagine if Haron was a female and
Haron was 21 and just got here from
Canada
>> with these legs
>> with those legs and not a lot of
>> not a lot of ways to make a living, but
you're cute.
>> Desperate times call for desperate
matters, Joe Rogan.
>> You know, it's it's a de it's a serious
question and it's almost a sad one in
today's world. It is
>> because in the old days you had your sex
industry sort of confined to the
shadows.
>> Mhm.
>> And now anyone's daughter, cousin,
niece, nephew that they they can
suddenly be exposed to the world in the
most promiscuous way but in the most
profitable way.
>> That's the problem is also you get
addicted to the money. Let's imagine
>> let's imagine you're a lady
>> and um you have a site and you know you
show your feet and stick things inside
your butt or whatever you do and you're
making what was that last part?
>> Stick stuff inside your butt
>> if you're a lady.
>> Yeah.
>> Like what?
>> Some ladies they put uh like dildos in
there and stuff.
>> Okay. Have you ever seen that?
>> No, but I'm just assuming it happens.
Doesn't that happen, Jamie?
>> Sure.
>> Sure.
>> You've never seen a lady do that? I'm
pure as a driven snow, sir.
Joe,
>> not in real life.
>> You haven't?
>> No. Stick a rubber dick inside their
butthole. I don't want to be there for
that.
>> No.
>> Why not?
>> I'm I'm not interested.
>> You ever been through a car wash?
>> I have.
>> What's the difference?
>> It's a big difference. One of them is
your butt where you [ __ ] out of and
you're putting a rubber dick inside of
the other one is you're getting your car
washed.
>> You make a good point. [laughter]
Point is, my if you were making
>> Yeah.
>> If you're doing all this and you
developed a nice fan base and you're
making a h 100,000 a month, 300,000 a
month.
>> Yeah.
>> And then you don't feel good about
yourself and what do you do? Do you just
save up the money and quit? How if you
meet a nice guy and and he's like, "So,
what do you do for a living?" You're
like,
>> "Well, let me tell you. [snorts] I don't
want to do it anymore,
>> but I take rubber dicks and I oil my
butthole up and I shove them in there. a
you know HD camera
>> few inches from my butthole
>> the guy send me tips.
>> I think the subtext here Joe is what is
the price you put on your dignity
>> right?
>> What is the price you put on your
spirit? Because this stuff it may seem
fun in the moment but you get down the
road and it follows you. You know, we
looked it up and it's something crazy
like 10% of girls aged 18 to 24 in the
United States are on Only Fans. H
>> this is a this is a tough question and
you can tell me to shut up if you want.
>> Okay.
>> You have a daughter, don't you?
>> I have three daughters.
>> You have three daughters. I have four
sisters.
>> If one of your daughters told you she
was doing Only Fans, what would your
reaction be?
>> I think I made a a big failure as a
parent. But how would you approach it
with said daughter?
>> Well, you would give them advice. First
of all, your daughter or your son or any
is a human being. You don't own them,
right?
>> Good point. So, you're supposed point,
but good point.
>> If you treat them like you own them and
they have to listen to you, they'll
never listen to you and they're going to
rebel. This is just human nature.
>> Excellent point. I'm with you so far.
You have to give them advice and you
have to talk to them and talk to them
about the repercussions of what they're
doing and realize that this stuff will
follow you. And some people are going to
be fine with that. Look, there's some
ladies that are like, "Look, I don't
ever want a [ __ ] regular job. I'm not
I'm ashamed of my body." And maybe
they're not sticking things up their
butt. Maybe they're just being naked and
they're like, "This is way better than
having a job." Fine. What does it say
here?
Top 1% top earners make about $18,000 to
$49,000 per year. Whoa. That's it.
>> That's not much. [clears throat] I could
work at Denny's for that.
>> What? So, the top 0.1%
make a h 100,000 per month or 1.2
million annual. That's the top 0.1, but
the top 1% only make $18,000 to 49,000 a
year. So, you imagine you're making
$18,000 or $49,000 a year. You're still
living in poverty.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> If you're making $18,000 a year, you're
poor and you are showing your [ __ ] and
no one's paying for it. Yeah.
>> Wait a minute. But Joe, I know that you
>> look at that.
>> You have a bit of a rage side. Like Joe
[clears throat] knows how to rage.
Because you're a fighter. You know how
to go into that red zone. You're an you
can be an intimidating force. Is there a
world where your daughter says, "Daddy,
I'm doing this." And Joe just goes,
"You're [ __ ] not." Like is do you go
into the red zone or just
>> It's not going to If you do that with
your kids, they're not going to listen
to you. But what if you did it just
because of the reaction where you were
so mad or disappointed in
>> I would only be that mad if someone was
doing something terrible to them.
>> Okay.
>> Or you know,
>> you're a good dad.
>> Well, you have to be
>> I like I like what I'm hearing here.
>> You have to you have to be a human. You
know, you're the parent, but you also
you got to understand human nature. I
know people that yell at their kids or
and I know kids that have been yelled at
and they always resent that. They they
they're always angry. It's a it's a
stupid way to handle things. Something
happened here just now that I
[clears throat] was not expecting today.
>> What's that?
>> I got to see a side of you that I didn't
know if it was there or not cuz I don't
know your family life, but I got to feel
for a second dad vibes, dad love. And I
think
>> I sort of pictured you sitting with your
daughter and being very reasonable and
loving.
>> Well, hopefully I never have to have
that conversation.
>> I hope so, too. But I I I see you as an
understanding, nurturing dad in that
moment. I love that.
>> I try to be.
>> Yeah, that's the goal. I mean, if you
want to have a relationship with your
kids, and you know, my daughters are
teenagers now, too. And we've never gone
through a period where you always hear
these periods where the kids rebel
against you and they hate you when
you're teenagers. That's never happened.
And I think it's probably never happened
because
>> we always just communicate. And I try to
be as reasonable,
open-minded as possible, but also very,
you got to be very supportive, too. I
mean, it's hard to be a kid, man. It's
even harder to be a kid today than ever
before because of social media and all
the pressures that they face. And
>> and then also this weird world that
they're entering into where AI might be
taking all the jobs. So, they're like,
"What the [ __ ] am I going to do? What am
I going to do with my life?"
>> I love AI.
>> Do you? You're all in?
>> I'm all in. I love it.
>> What's your favorite part about it?
>> I love it. Joe, because it's it's
opening a door to
creativity for everybody. Now, a lot of
people are being pessimistic and saying
it's taking away our creativity, but
think about any art gallery you've ever
been to. You go in, you see the Renoir,
the Dega, the Deli, all the all the
usual suspects, Van Go, Goya, all of
them. Right.
>> Right. Those have all been placed there
over the centuries
as the art that we all know and have
adopted.
And that came from a select group of
individuals very talented
um contributed to our culture and art
history. But it's a pool of about maybe
200 artists through the course of
history. Right
>> now, think about a guy you bumped into
working in the sprinkler aisle at Home
Depot 3 weeks ago who's got a wife and
kids and maybe doesn't have the
opportunity or the wherewithal to tap
into his artistry.
But now that guy and the guy at Dunkin
Donuts and the girl that works at the
car wash and every human being now has a
way to express their hidden talents.
And so with AI, they can go home at the
end of the night and press a few buttons
and go, I imagined this thing and AI is
letting me get it out and the world gets
to see it. Same with medicine. Same with
inventions. How many Elon Musks are
there that grew up in poverty and never
got the chance to expand on a concept or
an idea because they didn't have the
means? But if AI starts to open these
doors for every human being, think of
the barrage of incredible visual and
conceptual designs that are going to
come at us. And a lot of them will
probably be practical and actually work.
And the common man and woman didn't have
access to that before.
>> That's one way of looking at it. That's
positive.
>> I love it.
>> That's true. example in my own life. I
come from the animation world and I like
to write
and a few years back I pitched an
animation idea around Hollywood and it
got rejected
and so now me and a few of my friends in
the dawn of AI are creating the same
thing that got rejected and we're going
to put it out into the world. We
couldn't have done it two three years
ago. It would have cost us $3 million.
Now we're doing it for a few thousand
>> and it looks like a Pixar movie. It
looks like Pixar. So
>> if you tell me that AI isn't opening a
whole new world, I it's not true. It is.
It's letting all of us dig really deep
and expose our gifts and our talents.
And yeah, there's always the downside,
but let's try and look at the good side
of it, too.
>> I like what you're saying.
>> Thank you, Joe. Um the the downside is
the people that don't want to be
creative and they want to be accountants
or they want to be lawyers or they want
to like those jobs are going to
>> stop. How about that accountants an
accountant because he can never tap into
the artistry that hides within them or
the lawyer. But now after hitting the
machines all day, he can go home and go,
you know what? I never could have done
this before, but I'm going to create an
image, a painting, a drawing in 10
minutes that I've always wanted to show
the world. So that's what I'm saying.
Even those pessimists can now throw off
the demons on their back that are
inhibiting them and it's going to allow
all of us to be so much more expressive.
>> Okay,
>> that's my take.
>> Well, hopefully. I mean, that's the
question like, what do people do if
there's no more jobs and you just get
money from the government because AI
creates so so many so much abundant
resource that no one has to work
anymore? Are you going to find things to
do that are interesting? And maybe AI is
going to help you do that.
>> I'll tell you this, Joe, in probably
seven or eight years, I bet we're
sitting here, me and you, going,
"Remember AI?"
Because we're humans, man. We don't
stop. People think AI is going to be the
end of the line. It's just another
stepping stone to our progression to
where we're meant to go. You believe in
higher forces. I know that.
>> So, this is just one of the step.
Remember when people thought, I'm not
getting a cell phone. I'm not getting on
the internet. I don't want a fax
machine. But we just keep going. We're
humans. We keep going up those stairs.
We're adventurers. We're curious. We
never stop. And so AI is just another
small thing. As big as it seems now, as
robust as it seems, it's just a small
step in the giant ladder that's leading
this weird species that we are to a a
bigger, higher, distant place.
H look at you, dude. You should do a
seminar.
>> I should show my legs again.
>> You should tell everybody all these
thoughts you have.
>> Well, I'm telling right now. We're
sharing them.
>> Yeah. But don't you think all these
things we come up with are leading to
something where we're meant to go? Yes.
I don't think we're all just here
randomly in wars and fighting and this.
I think it's all we're the worker ants
right now. And we're the platform for
the future worker ants to get to the
pinnacle that we don't even know what it
is yet. And maybe there is no pinnacle.
But whatever force created us, Joe, they
want us to keep going. That's why we
search the oceans and the space and the
moon and the planets. We're going to
keep going.
>> Yep.
>> And AI is a tool for us to get there.
So, you can be pessimistic. You can be
like, "Oh, AI and all." But why don't
you just spend your time looking at the
positive side of things?
>> I agree with you about the direction
that we're going. I think that's what
we're meant to do. Yeah.
>> Yeah.
I just think that we are in a time of
insane change and that makes people
scared.
>> It does. Yeah.
>> But you know being scared almost ma also
makes us feel alive.
>> Think about the most vibrant moments in
your life.
>> How about after 9/11? Remember those
days?
>> Oh yeah. People People It's like someone
kicked the ant nest open and we were all
scurrying around looking for the eggs.
The ants always preserve the eggs.
>> Yeah. But those eggs were our lives and
our neighbors. We were talking and
communicating.
>> We're friendly with each other.
>> That's right.
>> We realized the importance of of a
communal existence.
>> We realized the importance of needing
each other.
>> Yeah. People get very complacent and
they need to be shook up every now and
then. It's very good for you.
>> And maybe AI, if there's one downside to
it, it could maybe create a bigger
cocoon for us because we'll have so much
at our fingertips. It may isolate us
even more.
But but we have to look beyond all these
weird parameters we set and go what
what's the upside? What's it doing for
us?
>> Well, it's inevitable and it's going to
happen no matter what. And I think
people always figure out a way to be
okay.
>> Yeah.
>> And I think that's going to happen and
there's going to be a time of great
upheaval and it's going to change a lot.
But hopefully people will be all right
and they're going to have to adapt and
learn and grow
>> and we always have.
>> And we always have.
>> And we always will. And most likely
it'll be better for everybody overall.
This idea that Elon keeps pushing is
universal high income. Is that people
will have plenty of money, abundant
resources, and there's not going to be a
problem of food, shelter, medical,
education. All that stuff's going to go
away because of AI. And the real problem
be what do you decide to do with your
life? What do you decide to do with your
time?
>> Right?
>> But you'll have the freedom to do
whatever you want with your time. Just
think about how little crime there's
going to be if there's abundant
resources and no one has to steal
anymore. No more stealing, no more
robbing, and no more poverty. Literally,
no more poverty. I don't know if that's
possible or if it is in 50 years or 100
years, but no more poverty is wild. No
more poverty is a reality. Criminality,
I think you have to remember there's
people who don't engage in criminality
to make money. They engage in
criminality as a passion. A lot of
criminals like the process. They like
the game playing. They like the herd and
the and the chess moves. They they like
winning. They like deceiving,
>> right? They like drug dealing, right?
>> Making a big deal and a submarine shows
up in San Diego and you pull the [ __ ]
coke bags out. Throw them in the back of
a Mercedes. Yeah, you listen to the
Miami Vice team. Yeah.
>> Or there's there's even the the ad
adversarial component where they like
the idea of killing their competition.
>> Yeah. It's a war.
>> So, I don't think we'll ever transcend,
you know, the criminal element of it.
>> We could
>> we could if we you never know, though.
>> If AI develops to the point where we
have literal telepathy and we could read
each other's minds, you won't be able to
plot any kind of crimes like that
anymore. Or, and this is because I think
it never ends. Does AI design something
to help us plot? [sighs]
>> You know what I mean?
>> Maybe it just if you're a criminal, it
just puts you in a simulation where
you're allowed to do like Grand Theft
Auto, but in real life.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, you just lock in and all of a
sudden you're in the streets of Chicago
and you're running down the street with
a gun. You shoot a guy and take his
Mercedes and
>> and he's just having a good time. But
then you come right back to real life
and it's fine. Everything's fine.
>> Yeah. It's it's this is what I like that
it's it's so endless and it it's going
to take so many twists and turns.
>> Well, then there's a question is has
that already happened. Are we in a
simulation right now?
>> Oh yeah. I think we talked about this
last time.
>> A lot of people think we are.
>> I don't believe smarter than me.
>> But can I take you back a second?
>> Take me back to the old days.
>> Exactly. Picture Pioneer Village. Betty
O' Conor churning some butter down by
the blacksmith shop.
Kyle McGiven shaving timbers to build a
log cabin.
>> Amish.
>> Do you think that those people who were
in covered wagons and were us just the
old version of us? Do you think they
ever pulled the covered wagon to the
side of the trail and went, "Hey,
Jediah, do you think we're in a
simulation?"
Like I think we've created this
simulation talk because we do have all
this computer and you know we're in this
world now that that's full of
contraptions.
>> Okay, let me ask you.
>> But I don't think we're we're we're in a
simulation. But I go ahead.
>> Are you sure the pioneer days even
happened?
>> Wow, you got me. You son of a [ __ ] I'm
walking off the show. I'm walking off
the show. [laughter] [ __ ] you.
>> And this isn't a simulation.
>> Big rubber legs. Get the [ __ ] out of
here.
>> [laughter]
>> the only guy to walk off your show with
fake legs. [laughter]
>> I mean, if you think about it, we think
that the pioneer days happen. We can go
to the museum and we could see pioneer
day wheels. And
>> what about the butter churning, Joe? The
sweet butter churn.
>> There's a bunch of people that studied
it in universities allegedly. If they're
real people, I don't even know if
they're real. I don't even know if
you're real. Why would you have rubber
legs? This doesn't make sense. You
showed up here with rubber pants and a
gourd over your [ __ ] That doesn't make
any sense. Do that.
>> I don't even think I'm real anymore.
>> You might not be.
>> Good point.
>> For real. For real.
>> I I think we're real. I I think it's not
a simulation. I don't know h how how do
you make a simulation? Like how what?
We're just We're all like pixels right
now and like there's too much
>> Do you know the uh DMT laser thing? What
do you mean that like the
>> So when people smoke DMT, apparently if
you use like a DeWalt construction
laser, you know those lasers they use to
make sure things are level.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> If you get above that laser and look
down on it, you see code in the laser in
the laser
>> like matrix code like the numbers
>> code. It's like and people see the same
code.
>> They they describe it exactly the same.
>> Okay. And so people see it. If you look
to the side, you look underneath it, you
look, you see the code in the laser. And
people think that this laser is exposing
the code of the simulation that we live
in. This is supposedly what it looks
like.
>> I [clears throat] mean, I just am not
there.
>> You see symbols and like weird number. I
haven't done it.
>> If I see the whole drum set, I'm in. But
if it's just the symbols, forget it.
>> I haven't done it, but I know a lot of
people who have done it. And everyone
that I know that's done it has said the
same thing. They said it is [ __ ]
insane.
>> DMT.
>> No. Yeah. But DMT with this laser thing.
So when you look down the laser,
everybody that I know that's done it say
it blew their [ __ ] mind. You see all
these weird symbols. They look like
hieroglyphs or some foreign language or
numbers. And it's very bizarre.
>> I don't know. It it just seems to me why
run us through the drama of a life, a
human life where we're born, we endure
pain, illness, suffering, love, hate,
all the emotions just to be as a
simulation.
I don't I don't get the reason for that.
>> Why? What's the reason for it if it's
not a simulation?
>> It's organic. It's just organic life.
>> But okay, what is organic?
>> It's made of the earth, born of the
environment,
>> right? But isn't that like this entire
computing process where single-sellled
organisms figured out how to become
multi-elled organisms figured out how to
interact with their environment, figured
out the ecosystem, figured out how to
balance itself off with both predator
and prey and food and water and
resources,
>> right? But it's so very intricate and
delicate. You have to bring into the
question, was it was it organic or
organic under the guise of a bigger
creator? Well, maybe the bigger creator
is the simulation itself.
>> Damn it, Rogan. You know, I'm
>> the problem maybe the problem. I'm out.
Take them rubber legs and get the [ __ ]
out of here. Maybe the the problem is
calling it a simulation.
>> I like that.
>> Maybe it's not that it's not real. Yeah.
>> But that there is an underlying program
that's running.
>> Maybe instead of thinking of simulation
because you think of it as a simulation,
you think of it as not real. like my
when I slap my arm, it hurts a little.
Like that's real, right? If I knock my
knee, that hurts.
>> But it's not that it's not real, but
that you're it's running a program. And
this program, what we talked about
earlier when you're saying that people
are moving towards something bigger and
a new version of what we are. Maybe
that's a part of the program. Maybe the
program is that all of these different
components have to work together. This
is why we'll never get rid of evil. You
need evil. so that you appreciate good.
You want rainy days so you appreciate
the sunshine. You want like good times
and bad time. You have to have a little
bit of bad times so you appreciate the
good times. You have to have some days
where you feel like [ __ ] so that you
appreciate good days. You have to have
bad friends so you appreciate really
good friends. Okay, all that stuff
balances itself out and it's moving
towards something. And what is it moving
towards? The thing that we're involved
in right now, AI. It's moving towards
the creation of a new life form that's
far more intelligent than we are
>> and it's probably a part of this whole
process.
>> Okay, valid. I like what you just said.
>> But I'm going to expand on it a little.
>> Push through.
You're coming at it from a human
perspective where you're channeling it
through, you know, a human mind which is
beautiful and endless and we can think
beyond, you know, the scope of who knows
where our imaginations end.
>> Uhhuh.
>> But that's cuz we're humans and we have
the capacity. But to the schools of
salmon spawning up the river and the the
moose fighting with a grizzly bear right
now and the the the ants running around
in their nest. Do you think why would
they be part of a simulation? And and I
don't think any other living entity
thinks simulation.
>> I don't think you have to say
simulation. I think it's a program and I
think all those other different
creatures are a part of the ecosystem.
Like you need the bears, you need the
salmon, you need the deer, you need the
vegetation, you need the animals that
that run through the the grasses and
[ __ ] on them and make manure. All that
stuff feeds off and we exist in that
thing and we're moving in this direction
of technological
innovation and moving towards this new
future that's happening right in front
of our eyes right now.
>> But there's so many processes in what
you just said.
Why have them all? Why not just plop us
down as humans? No.
>> And we don't need trees and grass. We
just live in kind of a vacuous vap
airspace and we still do our jobs, but
we don't Why do we need all the why do
we need mosquitoes and and slugs and
fungus? Like I know why we need them
biologically to make everything
symbiotic, but if it's just a
>> You just said it.
>> If it's just a thing, if it's if it's
not real, why do we need
>> You keep saying that and I'm not saying
that. It's not not that it's not real.
It's a program. We're running a program.
It's clearly real.
What is real? What real is you
experience it as real consequences for
your actions. You feel things. You touch
things. You eat. You sleep. You need You
have resources. That's It's all real.
>> You're asking a guy with fake legs.
What's real?
>> You have a fake tattoo, too. Too.
>> Oh, Billy.
[laughter]
>> I mean, it's like
>> No, I like this. I like I don't know if
it's fake, but what I'm saying is it
might be a program that runs that makes
people and those people eventually make
AI and that might be the whole purpose
of the program. We might be in the
middle of it.
>> We're in the middle of it. We were born
at a time, you and I were both born at a
time where none of this existed. We got
to experience life without any of it.
Remember when answering machines first
came around?
>> Yeah.
>> Crazy.
>> Yeah. You someone could leave a message
for and then the crazy one was answering
machines. So you could call your
answering machine and get a message
>> from another phone. You press in your
code
>> and it was like 12 numbers.
>> Yeah.
>> And you memorize them cuz we got
addicted to it.
>> And then you could listen to your
messages.
>> Yeah.
>> And you could even press pound and star
to skip over.
>> Yeah. I remember those days. you have
five messages like, "Oh, somebody likes
me."
>> I remember I'd go do a gig and the
second I'd get off a plane, and a lot of
your viewers won't know what this is,
I'd run directly to the pay phone in the
airport and I'd hear my messages
instantly.
>> Yeah, that was technology back then. We
were living on the edge back then. And
by the way, I'm not refuting or denying
everything you're saying, but I'm
pushing back a little because I can see
it's stimulating you to think deeper,
and I like hearing your commentary on
it. I I like it that you're you're
you're if I push back a little, it makes
you dig deeper to make your point. And I
I like it. I like I'm like I like what
I'm hearing coming from you.
>> Well, I like what you're saying, too, is
about simulation. Like the idea that
it's fake. I don't think it's fake.
>> I think it's a real thing. It's
obviously a real thing if we're
experiencing like what is real. Are your
dreams real? Yes. Is sleep real? Yes.
>> These are real things. Whether or not
you can put it on a scale doesn't mean
it's not real. So I don't think the
simulation term is the best term. I
think it's a program.
>> I think we're running a biological
program and we think of biological as
being separate from like math and being
separate from like subatomic particles
and the [ __ ] confusing quantum world.
I don't think it's separate from it at
all. I think it's all just one big super
complex program that's running that if
done properly, and we're experiencing it
right now, it leads to the creation of
artificial life.
>> Okay?
>> And even artificial life is a bad term
because it's not artificial. It's real.
>> With all that being said, where do you
visualize the data center being? If it's
a program, is it off planet? Is it off
galaxy? Is it invisible? Like, doesn't
there have to be a data center if we're
a program or how does it just whisp
itself up?
>> The universe itself, I think the
universe itself is a program. I think it
runs from the beginning of the big bang
to the
>> the formation of neutron stars. And I
had this lady on, Michelle. Uh, how do
how do you say her last name?
>> Dor. I barely know her. amazing lady
like worked for NASA cosmologist where
she's an astronomer
>> and uh we were talking about like
neutron stars like the insanity of
neutron stars and how they bend space
and time they warp gravity around them
it's like
>> these things all exist out there in the
universe and they're all I think it's
all a part of this program and I think
this program is running
>> on other planets I think there's other
life forms that are doing very similar
things
>> look I I like the debate I like your
take on it.
>> I I I just still struggle with the
>> the the technicality of it all.
>> Uhhuh.
>> But the technicality of it all, if it's
just biological life, let's say
>> it's just random.
>> All this stuff is random. Water rain
down, bacteria turned into [ __ ]
>> amiebas,
>> platypuses, whatever.
>> It all just happened slowly but surely.
That makes less sense. That makes less
sense than uh a slow program that's
running from literally the beginning of
single-sellled organisms, literally the
beginning of the formation of planets.
That this is like a natural cycle that
happens everywhere in the universe. And
there's a reason why these these suns
spin around and spit out plasma and that
that stuff coales in space.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Coales in space.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, um um Terrence Howard, the the
actor, very excited. He was here,
>> very eccentric guy. Yeah.
>> He had a a theory that I can't stop
thinking about.
>> What is it?
>> He thinks that planets are formed
>> because the suns eject particles over
time and that these stars eject. We see
those the big plasma ejections and the
big solar. He thinks that material
>> eventually gets out into space
eventually forms planets. And then he
says when the planets get further from
the sun, further enough from the sun,
they people.
>> And he thinks that's what what happens
to Earth.
You get a certain distance and then life
evolves and then intelligent life
evolves and then eventually these
planets people and then when they get
too far from the sun they can no longer
support intelligent life. They can no
longer support life. So then the people
have to get intelligent enough by the
time the planet's far enough away where
they've figured out a way to bypass all
the problems of living on a planet that
doesn't have an environment and living
on a planet that doesn't have water.
They've [snorts] bypassed all that.
Yeah,
>> they've moved into the next realm of
existence and now they can travel
interstellar and do all that kind of
crazy.
>> I wouldn't refute that theory.
>> It's a good theory.
>> I think it's a good theory. I mean, it
could explain how we're even here, you
know?
>> Yeah. It also could explain the weird
[ __ ] on Mars.
>> Wait a minute.
>> That Mars at one point in time might
have had life.
>> Yeah. The dry lake beds and the
>> No, the structures. Have you ever seen
the structures on Mars?
>> Oh, that face.
>> No. Have you seen the big square?
>> No.
>> Okay, Jame, I'll show you. There's this
weird uh thing on Mars that, by the way,
it's in the same area of Sidonia where
that face is. The face doesn't look like
a face to me.
>> It's more shadowy. It's the shadows that
make it look like a face. I think
>> it looked like a face in the early
images, but this stuff is [ __ ] weird.
Like, that's weird.
>> Is that the Glendale Galleria?
>> It is, but God 5 million years ago on
Mars.
So you're you're saying because
geometrically it's a perfect square, you
think it's a
>> look what that looks like, man. That's
nuts. Like when when do right angles
like that that are in the same distance
from each other ever exist in nature?
>> That's crazy.
>> And if they determine what those bumps
are or those rock structures or
>> they don't know they don't even know how
big it is because it's somewhere it's
between 300 m is like the the small
estimate, but it might be as far as like
a couple of miles. Yeah,
>> they don't know how big it is. Look at
that thing. What the [ __ ] is that?
>> Yeah.
>> What the [ __ ] is that? There's a bunch
of these things on Mars that are just
really weird. And if at one point in
time, I'm talking millions of years ago,
>> hundreds of millions,
>> who knows?
>> Yeah.
>> How much would be left?
>> Yeah.
>> You know, how many um let's put this
into uh perplexity, Jamie. How many
ancient civilizations have
myths about or instead of do any how
about this? Not not how many. Do any
ancient civilizations have myths about
Mars?
Have myths about Mars?
>> It's perfectly feasible.
>> Totally feasible.
>> Yeah.
Like if you think about it, several
ancient civilizations have myths or
religious associations tied to Mars,
usually because they saw it as a bright
reddish and sometimes ominous plan. Hey,
don't mansplain to me, bro. Ancient
Romans identified Mars with their god of
war.
>> Okay. Do any um ancient civilizations
have a myth about people coming from
Mars?
How about that?
Wow.
>> See if that is um do any have myths
about humans
coming from Mars? You could just do a
follow-up question at the bottom there.
Here we go. What do you think? Yes.
>> Wow.
>> Here it goes. No. Ancient civilizations
did not have myths about humans or
people coming from Mars. While Mars has
been central to mythology across many
cultures, these myths focus on Mars as a
deity or celestial object, not as
humanity's origin point. What is that
one um tribe? Is the the Doon people?
They have a um a weird origin story from
another planet.
>> The Doons.
>> Yeah. Do tribe
>> origin story. I don't know. I don't
know.
>> The Doons.
Wow.
>> Um, I think it's somewhere in Africa.
>> Sounds like Sounds like they're broke.
Whoever they are,
>> Mali, they have a complex creation myth
centered around Amna, the supreme
creator god who lived in the celestial
regions as was the origin of all
creation. In their cosmology, the stars
resent Amma's bodily parts with the
constellation Orion called the seat of
heaven or Amma's navl.
And so I think they have this origin
story from Whoa. What is this? Descended
to earth in an arc suspended from heaven
by a copper chain. Whoa.
>> Okay,
>> look at this. According to Doon
mythology, Amma created the earth and
then split himself in two, creating Ogo,
representing disorder, and Nommo
representing order. Ogo descended to
earth along the Milky Way al uh with
which the Doon believe connects heaven
and earth and created havoc. To restore
balance, Amma created Nommo and gave him
eight assistants consisting of four
pairs of twins. These eight beings, also
called the Nommo, became the ancestors
of the Doon people and descended to
Earth in an ark suspended from heaven by
a copper chain.
Okay, what was that story about? I think
we're accidentally reading a children's
book, Joe. The Ogo pe what?
>> The Doon people. The Ogo and the Pogos.
>> Yeah, this is
>> But what do you I think there's a lot of
people that have like weird origin
stories that involve extraterrestrial
life.
>> Yeah. I mean,
>> there is.
I mean, are you running that through
human evolution?
Yes. Because if you run it through human
evolution,
extraterrestrial life doesn't not
necessarily match up with like homoctus
and, you know, Neanderthal man and
things like that.
>> In what way? Well, I I get the sense
that extraterrestrial life is far more
advanced and technological going back to
what you were talking about at the
bottom of the ocean, whereas our
ancestors were primal,
>> right?
>> So, how do the two collide? I'm a bit
confused.
>> Well, what if they created us?
>> They created us as primates and watched
us evolve as an experiment.
>> Yeah. What if you like, let's imagine
this. We talked about like if we if we
showed up and we went found a planet and
it was filled with like ancient primates
like ancient hairy men that had just
figured out the stone tools.
>> Okay, let's go to the early days.
>> I'm with you. I'm right there, guy.
>> Do you think let's not say American
scientists, we would never do this. But
do you think perhaps like Chinese or
Russian scientists might do some things
with them and try to make them more
advanced
>> in terms of biological experimentation
>> engineering genetic engineering?
>> I don't know. I be I mean
>> I will answer for you. Yes.
>> You think they would?
>> 100% for sure. They're just cave people.
They don't even have any civilization.
We let's just do whatever we want to
them because we're far more advanced. Do
you know that there was a point in time
where the Russians were experimenting
with people and trying to make a human
chimpanzeee hybrid for war?
>> Is that right?
>> Yeah. This is after World War II.
>> They were trying to make hybrids.
>> So, so many Russians died during World
War II. I mean, Russia lost a lot of
[ __ ] people in World War II.
>> And there was a program that like they
do a lot of things where they they just
run it up the chain like what do you
think? What if we do this? What if we do
that? You know, what if we make a
nuclear bomb? What if we make a a plane
that doesn't have any radar signal? What
if we make instead of our soldiers
dying, what if we make a hybrid just for
war? We know chimpanzees are incredibly
strong and they're smart and they're
very violent. So, what if we made an
incredibly strong, very violent species
that's more intelligent than chimpanzees
and we can control them and we'll use
them as our soldiers?
But that seems like a lot of work for
something that's hiding behind a a
modern weapon. Because whether you have
a an insane chimpanzee behind a machine
gun or a guy that was an accountant and
got drafted, it seems like the weapons
doing the work, not the biological
entity.
>> Yeah. But if the chimp's stronger and
faster and they can get to places where
the accountant can't and they can charge
into them in the middle of the night
because they could see at night time,
>> there's a lot of things that you could
do with chimps that were hybrids.
>> Yeah.
>> Like what did they what was the extent
of that program?
>> Let's find out.
>> I'm looking it up right now. But he the
guy that did it was also then arrested.
I'm trying to figure out well like
>> of course he was arrested [laughter]
>> as a [ __ ] psychopath.
>> Well, he was his name Dr. Maro ring a
bell. It says he was funded by Soviet
authorities to set up experiments. I'm
like, well, were these private, you
know, or did official?
>> Well, I I would imagine if I was the
leader of Russia at the time and this
guy said, uh, Mr. Prime Minister, I have
a program I am currently considering in
operation where I will be able to make
soldiers that are increasingly strong,
much faster, that retain human
characteristics like the ability to
communicate and to engage in warfare
with weaponry. But they will be much
faster, much stronger, and more
importantly, not people. We won't mourn
for them like our brothers and sisters.
We will breed them in laboratories. We
will make millions of them, arm them,
and send them out against our enemies.
[snorts]
>> Are you coming on to me
>> a little bit? I got hard talking that.
>> So this Wow.
>> So
>> he successfully did a bunch of stuff in
the early 1900s.
>> What?
>> Successfully.
>> But not not any human hybrids, other
animals.
>> So they say
>> he was a pioneer in artificial
insemination as well. He conducted
experiments that involved artificially
inseminating horses to create superior
offspring for Imperial Russia. And this
work earned him recognition from the
Boleviks. Ivanov was not satisfied with
merely enhancing a species. Though
hybridization became his obsession, and
he was soon crossing zebras with
donkeys, cows with bison, and several
different species of rodents
>> with each other. In 1910, he brashly
declared he could see a human ape hybrid
in the future. Isn't this gene splicing
though? Have you ever heard of a liger?
>> But ligers are just hybrids. It's just
they breed with each other. A male tiger
and a female lion or the opposite. I
don't forget which one it was.
>> But but the problem is the reason why
ligers are so big, it's I think it's the
either the male tiger or the male lion,
whichever one it is, the male has the
gene um that regulates size. And when
they have the hybrid, that gene doesn't
doesn't transfer.
>> And so the liers just keep growing.
[ __ ] gigantic. I might have [ __ ]
that up, but I don't think I did. Even
off imported chimps to Russia,
inseminating unpaid Soviet women with
their sperm.
>> Unpaid,
>> though none conceive because humans and
chimp chromosomes are incompatible.
>> Interesting.
>> Imagine you're a [ __ ] Soviet lady and
you're like, "What is this job?" You lie
down with your legs open and we stick
something inside of you and you get a
loaf of bread. [laughter]
>> What the [ __ ] man? They give you the
abominable snowman in your womb.
>> How much did they know about genes back
then? Genes and chromosomes. So, what
year was this?
>> 1920ish.
>> Did they when did they discover
chromosomes?
>> As of yesterday, we just they might not
have even known helium was on Earth,
>> right? That's right. That's right.
>> Yeah. They thought helium was only in
the sun. Um, wow. When did they discover
chromosomes?
Let's find that out.
>> Let's take a guess. Haron,
>> I'm gonna say I'm gonna say in the
40s.
I'm gonna go a little later. I'm going
to say 50s.
>> Okay.
>> I'm going to say 57.
>> I'm going to say 42.
>> I am purely guessing though. I have no
idea.
>> Yeah. the
what you mean by that is kind of that's
very vague because like they could have
known about them but like to what detail
and how many there were and what
>> well let's just um just put that in
perspective I did but like it's giving a
vague answer in the 1800s they sort of
knew about it but to what detail is
until the 1900
>> okay chromosomes were first observed as
distinct structures in the cell nuclei
in the 1800s well that's pretty distinct
they're talking about in the cell
structure so they must have been looking
at them with microscopes
um once good light microscopes became
available. So that's the 1800s. Their
role as carriers of hereditary
information was not clarified until the
early 1900s through work linking
chromosomes to Mandel's law of
inheritance.
>> That's 100 years of guessing. Imagine
what we're guessing about now that we
don't know about. So it could mean any
they could have been completely wrong
for 35 years and then sort of closed for
10 and
>> wrong again for 20 and then like oh nope
that's what it is.
>> Yeah. Wild, right? It's wild how long it
took.
>> Well, see, this is
>> in comparison to today.
>> This goes back to AI, Joe, giving access
to the average person to be able to dig
into this stuff because it might be the
guy in aisle 12 at Home Depot who
discovers some of these probing answers,
you know?
>> Yeah, definitely. That's why he might be
like,
>> you know, hitting a bong sitting at home
talking to Chad [snorts] GPT and go,
"Bro,
>> yeah,
>> tell me how to make a human monkey
hybrid."
>> Exactly.
>> So this guy, um, so it was in Pull that
>> I was reading about him. This started to
say the American backers started sending
him some money, too. And I was trying,
of course, I was trying to figure out
>> they want to get those [ __ ] crazy
chimp people, too.
>> Call me crazy, but I get the feeling you
would like to see one of those
>> 100%.
>> Cuz physically it would have to look
incredible.
>> It would be insane. Imagine if you get a
like a Viking like a Brock Lesnar gene
and you splice it with a chimpanzeee
gene.
>> Yeah.
>> You have a giant like Thor from Game of
Thrones the mountain from Game of
Thrones. Imagine that guy splicing that
guy's jeans with a chimpanzeee's jeans.
>> Well, you keep going to chimp, but what
about a silverback gorilla, which is
even
>> They're not violent.
>> Yeah, they're they're very calm,
actually.
>> They eat vegetables. They're they're
vegans.
>> Whereas chimps are pack hunters. They
eat other monkeys.
>> Mhm. Yeah. They're way more violent.
They're way more like us. We're way
closer to chimps than we are to
gorillas.
>> Yeah, we are.
>> Yeah, we're we're closer in our
behavior. Like they they engage in war.
They have tribal war. They go after
tribes. They break off and find they
start new civilizations.
>> But if you're splicing two entities
together, you've got the human brain
that's, you know, we're sort of wired to
be violent, but you just take the
physicality of the silver back and marry
them together. They're they're just as
wired to be violent as we are, buddy.
>> What?
>> Chimps?
>> No, I'm saying the silverback. You then
you have a bigger physical body with our
minds.
>> But maybe they'll just chill like the
gorillas do. [laughter]
>> They just go to Miami.
>> New delivery of chimps to a nursery in
1930. But in the light of the
questionable ethics and zero progress,
Ianov was arrested and exiled to
Kazakhstan where he died two years
later. Some of the apes and monkeys that
outlived him were launched into space
with the sputnik missions. You imagine,
you imagine you're an ape. First they
make you [ __ ] some lady and then they
shoot you off into space. Well, you were
just eating bananas, having a good time
in the jungle being a regular
chimpanzeee and these [ __ ] or
you [ __ ] some janitor and then shoot you
into space.
>> They successfully implanted an ovary in
a few of them.
>> Oh god, [ __ ] psychos.
>> Jesus Christ. Yeah, they've done over
the course of history, the Germans, the
Japanese, the Chinese in times of war,
they did the most horrific
experimentation. They they did
everything you could do. They they'd see
how long it would take for a human body
to die if you boiled it and skin people
and the the things that have been done,
the aberrations that have happened are
crazy. But this is this is interesting.
This is almost the basis for a movie, I
think.
>> Well, it could absolutely happen today.
This is where it gets weird
>> because now with crisper and with gene
editing,
>> how many years are we away from them
being actually able to do that?
>> Actually able to take whatever genes you
have in a person, whatever genes you
have in a chimpanzeee, pick which ones,
which things you want to do, and make a
life form.
>> I like it.
>> You know, they have the dire wolves now,
right?
>> Yeah, the dire wolves.
>> I saw them. I went to visit them.
>> You did. Are they pure? Are they 100%
pure? Are they are are they a version of
a modern-day wolf mixed with a dire
wolf? It's a really good question. So,
that is the question that people uh
always use to dismiss or that is the
statement that people use to dismiss
what they've done as actually creating
direwolves. But when I talked to the
woman who's the head geneticist, the way
she said is
>> these distinctions
>> like what we call something a direwolf
or we call something a pug or we call
whatever these distinctions are, these
are our creations
>> and that the genetics are the same.
>> Like this animal looks like a direwolf
cuz it is a a direwolf and some of those
genes are in wolves. Some of those genes
are in the biological tissue that they
got from like thousand. Like how old was
the tissue that they got from a direwolf
that they used for colossal? I feel like
some of it was like 10,000 years old.
Like something crazy.
>> Where did they find that tissue? What
country
>> they find in America? You get it in um
like when they find fossil or they find
like a dead animal, they find something
that they can get out of it where they
can get some DNA. And they've managed to
get the actual DNA of a direwolf.
>> So 13,000 years old, a tooth
>> from Sheridan Pit, Ohio, and a 72,000y
old skull from American Falls, Idaho.
>> So wow.
>> So they get the genes. They make a map.
I'm just I'm butchering this. I'm sorry
if you're a scientist. I'm sorry to all
the people at Colossal. You make a map
of what it means to be a direwolf based
on this stuff because you have these
samples. And then you choose those
genes. You add those genes to a greywolf
and then you turn it into a [ __ ]
direwolf and they're all white and they
have a mane like a lion which they
didn't know they were going to have.
Like not as big as a lion but it's it's
a pronounced mane.
>> Huh.
>> And they look different, man. They're
weird.
>> Are they bigger in size? Cuz they were
semi-prehistoric.
>> They're bigger. They're just a It's a
big
>> bigger than a timber wolf.
>> Yes.
>> Wow.
>> Yeah. They're like a 200lb wolf and
they're built different. They're built
different. Like they're they're more
stocky and they look different. What's
their jaw structure like? Is it
different?
>> Bigger. Bigger. Stronger. They're there.
It's a bigger, more ferocious animal
that lived at a time where it was
>> What does the term dire mean? Do we
know? Dire wolf.
>> That's a good question.
>> What is dire?
>> Let's find out why they call them dire
wolves. I have no idea. It just sounds
dope.
>> I wonder if they ever get sick if they
become diarrhea wolves.
>> Is that where you go with that?
>> No, I really do want to know. That just
came to me. That just came to me.
[laughter]
But I do want to know where dire comes
from. What it means.
>> Fearful or terrible. The Latin words
dyrus meaning feel fearful or terrible
or awe inspiringly dreadful. Bro, back
then when those things were around and
people were around at the same time, you
imagine how [ __ ] rough it would be.
You're in the woods and you're camping
out with your buddy and you see a pack
of direwolves that have recognized you
and you know it's over.
>> Well, the thing with wolves though, Joe,
and you probably know this, wolves
traditionally don't hunt down humans.
>> That's not true.
>> Huh? That's not true at all.
>> I don't know. Is there any record of a
human being killed by a wolf?
>> 100%. There's record in modern times.
Oh, that's not true. They That's the
reason why they eradicated him from the
West Coast.
>> I thought that was because they were
they were nabbing the cattle.
>> No, they were killing people, too.
That's what the big bad wolf and the
little red body hood is all about. They
would kill your kids. That's those
stories were about avoiding wolves
because wolves were dangerous. They're
deadly. Do you know that World War I the
Russians and the Germans had a ceasefire
because so many of them were getting
killed by wolves in Siberia really that
they decided to have a ceasefire, kill
the wolves and then go back to killing
each other.
>> Cuz my experience is wolves are very
trepidacious of humans. They fear them
and and avoid them
>> cuz we killed most of them.
>> But that wouldn't change their hunting
instinct now if there were still packs
roaming wild and free. You don't kill
the instinct out of them
>> cuz then you'd kill their instinct to
kill an elk. Or
>> if you've seen wolves, you've seen
wolves in Canada.
>> Yeah.
>> They hunt them in Canada.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. That's why they're trepidacious.
That's why they're nervous about people.
>> Can we look up how many humans have been
killed by wolves?
>> Very rare. Mostly happened in Europe and
Asia.
>> Yeah. See, it's not common.
>> It's because we killed them all,
Harland. They're not around anymore.
That's the whole point. The reason why
they got killed off was because they
were a [ __ ] problem. It's not
because, you know, people were evil and
it was a terrible idea. It's because
they wanted to live and they knew that
the wolves were [ __ ] killing
everybody.
>> I think the problem was they were
killing their domestic cattle
>> 100%.
>> But not the people so much.
>> People too.
>> Really?
>> Yeah. They kill They don't have rules,
man. They But they're also Think of it.
Every living species. Why is it I can go
to a park and a blue jay and a squirrel
and a deer and a bunny can be just fine,
completely different species, but then a
little boy walks up a human and they all
just go. There's this driven instinct in
all animals to fear us, which breaks my
heart because most of us are loving and
want to coddle and connect with animals,
but even insects, dragon flies,
hummingbirds, nothing wants to be near
us. And so wolves also, all animals are
trepidacious of humans. It's sad, but
it's true. And if that's part of the
bigger program we've been talking about,
what does it say about us?
>> First of all, animals are not
trepidacious of humans.
>> Have you ever walked up to a wild
animal?
>> I've walked up to a lot of wild animals.
>> I know that you're being silly, but
>> I'm not being silly.
>> Okay, so realistically, all those
animals you said, blue jay, deer, those
are all animals that eat plants. Okay.
If a dog showed up, they would run. Any
animal that's a pri that's that's a
predator is going to scare them. Whether
it's a human, we have eyes in front of
our face. The reason why you have eyes
in front of your face like that is cuz
you're looking to go after something.
When you have eyes on the side of your
face, you're looking for something to go
after you. So all those animals like
deer and all these little cute little
animals, they're all prey and they're
all like super sketchy with anything
that has eyes in front of its face, it's
looking at them cuz we are a [ __ ]
predator. But it would be the same if it
was a coyote there. It would be the same
if a dog was there. If a cat or a big
cat or a lion was there, if they saw it,
they would all freak out because they're
prey.
>> Now, wolves have killed people. Fact,
100% all throughout time. If they catch
you alone,
>> they catch you in the woods. And if it's
you and five of them, they will kill
you.
It's it's it's we're not on their
dietary list though. Look at killer
whales. Never been a human killed by a
killer whale.
>> Only at SeaWorld,
>> right?
>> Because they Well, that's different.
>> So why? That's a living mammal. And
there's millions of people in the ocean
every day. But there's no record of an
orca killing a human because they're
trepidacious of us.
>> No, they're super intelligent.
>> And wolves and coyotes.
>> They're not trepidacious of us. They
help us. They communicate with play with
you.
>> I know, but I'm just saying it's not
common for wolves and apex predators to
go after humans. It happens, but it's
not common. And wolves, they're very
skittish animals.
Okay? They're skittish if they're around
people and they think the people might
have a gun. If you're in the woods,
wolves are not skittish of you. They're
thinking about what they're going to do
to you and whether or not they're going
to eat you. If you have a rifle and
you're in the woods and they hear the
boom go off, they're gonna get the [ __ ]
away from you.
>> They don't know what a rifle is. I'm
just saying there's an extin an
instinctual
fear of humans for whatever reason.
>> Dude, it's not true.
>> Most critters avoid us. Even fish, if
you avoid all pre predators. All of
them.
>> Yeah, but look at the plains of Africa.
You'll see a wilderbeast and a zebra.
>> If you walked out in the wild of Africa,
>> you're done. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Because you have lions, leopards,
your prey there. Yeah. All those animals
are freaking out too until one gets
taken out. This is the Joseph Campbell
story of the hero. Like one gets taken
out and the other one's go, "Wow, he did
it for us." Because when the the lions
are eating that one antelope, they're
going to leave you alone. You could
relax for a little bit.
>> Yeah,
>> that's what it is.
>> I'm just saying
>> they're never calm around lions. They
run. That's why they run,
>> right? But I'm just saying wolves are
probably more inclined to step around us
than attack us.
>> They are more inclined to do whatever
they need to do to survive.
>> They will. They're opportunists.
>> And if it's attacking your sheep, then
they'll attack your sheep. If it's
killing your dog, they'll kill your dog.
If it's killing you, if you're 20 miles
into the back country and you're camping
alone and you don't have a weapon and a
pack of wolves shows up and they haven't
had anything to eat for a few days,
>> they'll take you down. They'll take you
down.
>> But I'm just saying I'm I'm I'm just
trying to instill into you with all this
programming talk, there's something
programmed into all the other species on
this planet. They go, "Whoa, there's a
[ __ ] human."
>> You're wrong.
>> And they step around us a lot. Not that
they won't kill us, but
>> they It's anything that's coming near
them, they get away from.
>> The reason why they're scared of people
is cuz they have experience with people.
>> That's what it is. Yes, wolves do.
Wolves in Canada that get shot at are
afraid of people. They know that people
have the guns. The guns make the boom.
They're smart. They a bunch of them die.
They see one of them die. They learn
that they see the gun. They see the
stick. They run away from the guys. So,
they stay away from people cuz people
might kill their family members, their
pack members. It happens.
>> I think we're on this one.
>> No. Listen, there's a difference between
the way bears react in say Alaska than
bears react in Montana. So in Montana,
you can't hunt grizzly bears. So grizzly
bears are not afraid of people because
generation after generation after
generation have not been hunted. When
when bears see you in Alaska, that's
generation after generation that have
been hunted and they react very
differently. They're like, "Get the [ __ ]
away from the people."
>> Right. But
>> unless they don't know you have a gun
and sometimes you have to scare them
off. But if they're used to being around
people with guns, they associate people
with danger.
>> Yeah. That's kind of Pavlovian though.
That's when they're not. When they're
not like in Montana,
>> but in raw wild,
>> bears are quite skittish.
>> I've been around them.
>> I have too, man. It depends on the bear.
It depends on whether it's a mother with
her cubs. They're not skittish.
>> They're not skittish.
>> They [ __ ] you up.
>> They're they're protective. They're
They're no longer hunting. But I'm just
saying that there's an element to sadly
our human existence that scares a lot of
critters. A most animals can exist
together in the same area. And yeah,
when a when an apex predator approaches,
the zebras will run. But if you look at
the hoofed animals and the hippos and
the everything kind of coexists, but
when a human walks in, you know, we
can't walk up to critters and just pet
them. You can in the Gapagos.
>> Okay.
>> Are we?
>> No.
>> Are we having a fight? No, but a lion
can't walk up to a desert and pet my
legs around you so fast.
>> It's not uniquely humans, man. It's all
animals are worried about something that
wants to eat them because that's a real
part of their existence. It's all
animals. If you let your dog loose and
you let it around wild animals, they
[ __ ] run like crazy, man. They run
way more than they do with a person.
>> Let me rephrase it. If a wild animal
comes up on a deer, a predator prey
scenario,
>> uh,
>> instinctually they know a predator goes
into stalking mode, the deer's gone,
>> right?
>> But if a human, me or you, go, "Oh, look
at the deer and we try to walk towards
it with nothing but love and affection
and we just want to pet it and it's
gone." And that's what I'm saying.
>> You're not saying [ __ ] because a dog,
the same thing would happen. You're not
making any sense.
>> Yes,
>> of course the deer doesn't want you to
pet them. It doesn't [ __ ] know you,
man. What are you nuts?
>> Right. But it they just they just flee.
>> They don't flee like they do with dogs.
A
>> squirrel.
>> I have I have deer in my neighborhood
and when they see me, they don't give a
[ __ ] They don't care about your car.
You're you're driving in a car. You
could stop the car and roll the window
down and go, "Hello, Mr. Deer." And they
just [ __ ] stare at you. Animals are
like that.
>> They saw a dog, they would [ __ ] run.
They run like crazy. Even my golden
retriever, my sweet golden retriever
marshall.
>> Yeah.
>> They run like crazy from him. They blow.
They make those crazy noise.
>> They [ __ ] take off.
>> They stamp their feet.
>> Yeah. They're scared of predators, dude.
They're not scared of people in my
neighborhood cuz no one's eating them in
my neighborhood. It's their
conditioning.
>> I don't know. I'm just talking.
>> You're just stick You're stuck on an
idea. [laughter] The people are bad. The
people are uniquely bad. I wish we could
just go hug the porcupine.
>> I'm not saying people are bad. I'm
saying that animals have something in
their brain that they don't trust us
>> cuz we're the apex. We're the top of the
food chain.
>> But it's it's it's just sad that
>> it's not it's way better than being at
the bottom of the food chain. Way better
than us like [ __ ] wandering through
the woods if your kids are going to get
eaten by a [ __ ] wolf cuz some greeny
[ __ ] decided to import them back into
the wild. We need to rewolves
are back in the wild.
>> You know, they just dropped him off in
Aspen. These dumb [ __ ] They
dropped him off on a cattle ranch and
all they're doing is eating cows. So now
they have to have cowboys 24/7 riding
horses because the governor's husband
thought it would be a cute idea to drop
off wolves in Colorado. And they
reintroduced him to an area that has
agriculture. They reintroduced him to
ranching areas.
>> Wow. You don't
>> [ __ ] wolves. They've killed who knows
how many cows. The government has to
reimburse them every time a cow dies.
They keep killing cows. They're not
allowed to kill the wolves. The wolves
are around them 24 hours a day just
circling. [laughter]
>> So they have cowboys on horses all
throughout the night. They've got fires.
They have to keep people employed.
>> But outside of the cattle poaching
critters. Are you for reintroducing and
repopulating areas of the
>> First of all, wolves were making their
way into Colorado naturally. They're
already in the San Juan Mountains.
They're they're moving in from Wyoming
where they live naturally. And when they
reintroduced him into Montana, those
have spread out all over the place.
There's plenty of [ __ ] wolves, man.
There's a lot of wolves in Montana, too.
>> You don't like wolves.
>> I don't think you want wolves. I don't
think you understand what you're saying.
You You You're talking about a pack
predator. It's very different than any
other predator. They work together in
coordination and they're smart. And if
once they It's not like a mountain lion.
It's not like a thing that acts alone.
Once they figure out that the cows are
in these wooden pens, and they could
just hop the pen, kill a cow, and that's
it, they're going to do it forever,
>> right? But take out the poaching wolves,
but the ones that are reintroduced and
assimilate in raw nature,
>> I think those are crucial and important
to that ecosystem.
>> It is crucial to have balance. And
there's there's some aspects of having
the wolves back in Montana that's
actually better for the elk population.
It is
>> cuz the elk population was very overpop
populated at one point in time. They had
um seasons where they were allowing
people to shoot them in the snow um in
the winter. So like there was so many of
them when they're in the snow like deep
snow they can't run. So you basically
>> wolves
>> no
>> the elk
>> elk because before they reintroduced the
wolves they had so many elk that these
elks were running out of resources.
Yeah.
>> And they they realized like they're so
overpop populated. We're gonna allow you
to shoot them in ways that's not even
remotely sporting. Yeah. They're stuck
in snow
>> called culling.
>> Yeah. Just taking as many out of the
population as you can. Yeah. And look,
for the people that live there, it's
amazing. You're eating elk
>> 12 months out of the year. You got a
freezer. It's [ __ ] delicious. How
dare you? No, I mean if you eat it all
the time.
>> But don't forget the wolves also
preserve the whole ecosystem because the
overpopulation of elks were eating so
much of the flora that the sides of
river banks were eroding.
>> You're you're quoting a a documentary
called How Wolves Changed Rivers, right?
>> Yeah. Widely disputed. So a lot of the
stuff they're saying is not accurate in
that documentary. that what is accurate
is that balance is important. But a lot
of the things are very overstated in
that and it turns out to not be true.
>> Not no a lot of the claims are not true
>> because
>> interesting
>> there you can have a pro and the pro is
it keeps the population in check and it
puts a natural balance to to the area.
That's the pro.
>> Yeah.
>> This whole changing rivers thing like
>> some of it's accurate, some of it's not.
Yeah. But there's it's the apparently
that documentary was made by a guy who's
into rewing and he also wants to rew
Europe. So like these it's very romantic
this idea.
>> Okay.
>> But there is positive to having a
balanced ecosystem.
>> There is not positive when wolves get
overpopulated. When wolves get overpop
populated, that's what you get when you
had Russia and Germany having a [ __ ]
ceasefire in World War I. Because they
were losing so many soldiers to wolves.
They all united together to kill the
wolves. That's a true story.
>> But do you ever live in a world where
you go,
>> "The wolves are part of the natural
world the same way the bison were on the
Great Plains before they eradicated
them."
>> You don't have kids.
>> No.
>> Okay.
Imagine if you had kids and you were
walking with your kids and you saw three
wolves following you.
>> Yeah.
>> And you didn't have a gun. How would you
feel about those wolves when you
thought, "Oh my god, we might get taken
out by wolves." And I just thought they
were these cute fuzzy things that were a
part of nature.
>> Oh, I don't think of them as wilderness.
>> I don't think of them as that. They're
>> amazing. We need that.
>> I worked in nature. I've been around
wolves. I know them.
>> I am on team people.
>> You are
>> 100%. 100% team people. I love all
animals. I love them all, but I love
people way more. If it was between a
person that I [ __ ] hate that it feels
a real piece of [ __ ] and I knew that
they're going to get taken out by a
wolf, but I had a rifle, I'd kill the
[ __ ] wolf 100% of the time cuz I'm on
team people.
>> This whole idea like the animals are
scared of us. Good. Be scared, [ __ ] It
doesn't mean you should do anything bad
to those animals, but good, good, be
scared.
>> But Joe is trying to eat my kids. Isn't
it team people that's eradicating all
the animals as we encroach deeper and
deeper into the Amazon jungle, the
African plains? We're losing. Look at
the American bison. There used to be
millions of them hurt hering across the
prairies and now there's isolated
pockets. Look at the elephant herds.
Look at look at the silverback gorilla.
Look at there's so many things that are
losing to team people that we might not
have Siberian tigers in 30 years.
>> I'm not saying you should go and kill
these endangered animals.
>> I don't say that.
>> We're not always. That's not true. First
of all, the bison thing was not because
of encroaching. The bison thing was
because of sport hunting where these
people were like they were doing it not
even sport hunting,
>> market hunting. They were doing it for
tongues.
>> Do you know that's what they were
getting? They were chopping out their
tongues. All that delicious bison meat,
they let it rot. And then they were
doing it for furs and then they were
doing it for bones. Like what this is is
like people [snorts] were [ __ ]
insane. And rifles were fairly new and
long range rifles are fairly new in
human history. And then all a sudden you
got people on trains and you've got
these insane. Now here's where it gets
really weird.
>> Um what's Dan's Dan Flores? There's a
guy named Dan Flores who wrote a book on
bison and he has a theory. It's a really
good one. Yeah. That the reason why
there were so many bison on the planes
was because of all the Native Americans
that got wiped out by disease.
>> And it totally coincides with it because
the original explorers that came to
America in like the 1400s, they did not
describe these enormous population of
bison where you would see millions of
them on a prairie. He thinks that that
came about because literally when the
Europeans visited Native America, the
Native Americans, 90% of the Native
Americans died because of disease,
>> right?
>> 90%.
>> I mean, a true apocalypse.
>> Imagine nine out of 10 Native Americans
dead. Yeah.
>> Because of disease. Well, that means no
one's hunting the bison,
>> right? But they
>> So, that was their that was a primary
food source for a lot of the Native
Americans. And it wouldn't take many
generations for them if that was the
thing that was keeping them in
population. If they have a balanced
ecosystem and the population was
literally being controlled by these
effective North American hunters.
>> Yeah.
>> And all of a sudden they're gone. The
population just booms. And that's what
he was saying.
>> And then along comes the people with the
rifles. And then the people with the
rifles, they're finding these sitting
ducks just sitting out there. And they
say, "There's so many of them. We could
just shoot as many as we want. We never
have to worry about it." And they're
shooting him for tongues.
>> Yeah.
>> Tongues.
>> Have you ever heard of Buffalo Head
Smashed In?
>> Buffalo Head Smashed In.
>> Yeah.
>> What's that?
>> It's a town in Alberta.
>> That's the real name of the town. It's
the real name of the town where on the
planes there there was an optical
illusion where it looked like the the
hills just kept going
but there was a cliff and the Indians
would chase the bison
>> along the plains and they didn't know it
and at the end they'd they'd all run
over the thing and the Indians would be
waiting at the bottom and kill the bison
but they named the place
>> Buffalo Head smashed in.
>> Oh wow. Look at this. Isn't that wild?
>> Wow.
>> So, the bison thought they're running on
a flat plane and they couldn't see the
change in the perspective, so they'd run
right over the edge.
>> They did that a bunch of places in North
American.
>> In North America, they did um there's
one of them where they killed so many
bison that the rotting of them caused
them to burst into flames.
>> Yeah.
>> And so,
>> you know about that one?
>> Yeah. That's like with whales when they
blow up. Yeah. They explode.
>> The whole side of the hill is like black
with coal.
>> Oh yeah.
>> Because they they popped that
>> the imagine the [ __ ] smell of
something where it gets so bad they
burst into flames.
>> Bro, [laughter] what the [ __ ]
>> Instant Texas barbecue.
>> So they the Native Americans when they
were really good at hunting doing stuff
like that. I mean they're feasting.
They're eating the best meat and they're
keeping the population in check. Now,
when they all died of disease, that
population stopped being in check. And
this is Dan Flores. I think it's called,
see if you could find the name of it,
Jamie. I think it's called bison
diplomacy. Bison ecology. I think that's
what it's called.
>> Nature also provides disease when there
is no humans around. Okay. Like long
before the Indians started hunting
buffalo, there were buffalo.
>> Yeah. Bison ecology and bison diplomacy.
It's a very interesting paper. He was a
professor of history at Texas Tech. Um,
very very good book and and he's got
another great book on coyotes. Coyote
America's fantast.
>> I think it's more. So, at what point are
you still a fan of team human when more
and more of team animal is being
eradicated? And I'm not trying to say we
should
>> what animals what animals are being
eradicated right now.
>> Well, I just explained how the the herds
of elephants have shrunk down to this.
Tigers are down to a few thousand.
>> And a lot of
>> silverback gorillas are down to like a
few hundred. Like
>> a lot Okay. A lot of that is not
encroaching. It's illegal poaching.
But it's also encroaching. We're using
up their land
>> some of it. But also it's like what do
you want those people to do? Like people
in India like where they have in
elephants just invade their farms and
eat all their food.
>> But that's what I'm saying. How long are
you a proponent of team humans?
>> Villages for hundreds and hundreds of
years.
>> But animals have been for millions.
>> I'm on team people. If if it's your
family that needs that farm to stay
alive and all a sudden a [ __ ] pack of
elephants comes in and eats all the food
that you've been working for a year to
plant and grow. What do you think? We
should just feed the elephants.
>> I just want to know where you stand. I'd
rather see the animals succeed than us
if I'm being honest. I love people.
>> But that is a ridiculous
>> That's a ridiculous thing to say. It
doesn't mean the animals It doesn't mean
the animals are going to go extinct.
>> Parasite on the back of Eden. Don't you
think humans are a parasite on the back
of this beautiful paradise?
>> No.
>> No animal dumps nuclear waste or
chemicals into rivers. No animal tears
down forests except for beavers. So what
makes team human so great?
>> Well, we definitely should.
>> I think you need to change your
attitude.
>> We definely shouldn't do those things.
But I am but I am a human and I like
humans. I like
and the only way that you're going to
have humans is if you stay on team human
and not say I'd rather have the animals
here. They're just going to eat you.
They're going to eat you and there'll be
no more houses.
>> Press a button and get rid of humans
with a press of a button and that
everything else could just live here
harmoniously. Would you do it?
>> What? Do you live in a [ __ ] Disney
movie?
>> I'm just asking.
>> No. No. No chance.
>> I live in a simulation of a Disney
movie.
>> Bro, you live in some [ __ ] Canadian
reality show. He's taking another drink
of coffee.
>> Son of a [ __ ]
>> You southfly over this table with my
rotten legs.
>> You're [ __ ] team Canada. I know what
you're doing. You're trying to ruin
America by bringing in wolves. That's
what you're doing. It's like a plant.
He's a plant.
>> I'm asking you to ruin America by
bringing in lions.
>> You think humans are a parasite on the
planet?
>> I think we are a very complicated,
intelligent life force that values
itself above all else to the detriment
of the ecology of the earth itself. So
therefore, we could do better. We don't
all do that, right? We're not Every
company is not dumping things into
rivers.
>> If you had a cancer on your body, would
you get rid of the cancer?
>> We're not a cancer, dude. We're a part
of the Earth. We are the predominant
intelligent life force on this earth.
>> Who predominantly destroys the Earth?
>> Us.
>> Cancer.
>> We're not destroying it, though. We just
do a bad job of keeping it clean.
>> That's a fancy way of saying destroying.
Well, most animals ship all over the
ground. They just don't
>> hit the button.
>> You're funny.
>> Come on. You want to do it together?
>> You should have kids.
>> I love kids. I love humans. I just wish
we could do better.
>> How old are you now?
>> Take a guess. Take a guess. You saw my
legs. Take a guess. I'll tell you.
>> No, I'll tell you.
>> Well, I've known you for 30 years.
>> Yeah.
>> So, you're at least that.
>> How old? [laughter] You got to be 50
something.
>> 60 I'll be 64 this year.
>> Really? Yeah.
>> Wow.
>> Yeah. But I love humans. But I also
>> If you had a kid now, it might be a
problem. You might have bad jizz.
>> Really?
>> Yeah. You might have old jizz.
>> Have you seen my legs?
>> I've seen the legs look good.
>> What do you mean bad jizz? You don't
Aluccino just had a kid and he's 400.
>> Give that kid an IQ test.
>> Really? Is he a detoid?
>> I don't know. He's a baby. Maybe her
strong jeans because she's only 12. The
girl No. [laughter]
How old is
No, she's just 30. Whatever. She is 30
years old. [laughter]
Had a kid with him. 58.
>> Oh, wow.
>> Yeah.
>> We look pretty good with your chest and
my legs. We're doing all right.
>> Right.
>> Do you Did you ever want to have kids at
one point?
>> Yeah. I you know I I thought that uh at
one point I would I thought that at one
point I might but it just didn't work
out that way. I was I was married at one
point and
>> is it it's like it's hard when you're
doing the road a lot. It's hard.
>> Yeah, it is if you make it hard but I
never did the road a lot. I always mixed
it so that I that I enjoyed my life and
traveled and did stuff. So
>> that's smart.
>> Yeah,
>> that's smart.
>> But it it just it it didn't work out and
who knows the the road ain't closed yet.
So, who knows?
>> Get your jizz checked. Make sure it's
good.
>> Yeah. Oh, it's fine.
>> Throw it into a spectrometer.
>> Oh my god. I just told you I was on Only
Fans for 2 hours.
>> Analyze the jizz. Make sure it's good
stuff.
>> Wait, can sperm actually go bad? Well,
um, when it comes to autism, there's,
uh, and and maybe even Down syndrome,
there's some there's some people that
believe that the older the parents are,
and they used to think it was just the
older the woman was that might
contribute to those things, and now they
think it it is also likely the father.
They're also realizing like a lot of um,
they were there was this thing that I
was reading about miscarriages from
parents where the father drinks. And I
was like, "Wow, that's interesting."
Because I never really thought that the
father being a drunk would affect the
sperm, but of course it would.
>> Yeah,
>> of course it would. Yeah.
>> And weed too. They used to say weed
affected the sperm, but I don't know if
that's
>> Well, they used to say it slows it down
or something like that.
>> I [laughter] don't know.
>> Aderall speed it up.
>> I don't know. Zic, you give birth to a
zombie.
>> You give birth to a [ __ ] jazzed up
aderall kid. Dad, I want to [ __ ]
clean this house. Wait, do you have any
boys or is it all girls?
>> It's all girls.
>> Do you wish you had had a boy?
>> I just want them to be healthy. I think
wishing that you had a boy or a girl.
It's like the universe will give you
what it gives you.
>> Yeah, that's good.
>> Yeah. You don't want to like You don't
want to wish you had a boy when you had
a girl. Just appreciate the fact that
you have a
>> No, I don't I don't mean eliminate the
girls. God bless the three girls, but if
if you had one more, would it be cool to
have a boy?
>> I'm very happy. I don't think about it
that way. I don't think about it that
way.
>> You're a good dad.
>> Thank you.
That's something I picked up on you
today.
>> I think uh everybody should try.
>> Yeah.
>> If you're a dad, you got one shot at
this. One of the things that's really
nice for me is that I don't have to
travel as much because I have the club
here.
>> Yeah.
>> You know,
>> when they were young, I had to travel a
lot when they were really young cuz it's
like I wasn't making as much money and
it was like a little bit more difficult
>> and having uh the club where I don't
have to do standup somewhere else. I
don't have to go on the road all the
time. So, I'm only going on the road
occasionally for like the UFC and
>> Yeah. And you don't need to either.
>> Yeah. Just having fun.
>> So, you you done good, guy.
>> You too, buddy. It's nice to see Kill
Turney like make a completely different
career arc for all these people.
>> And you're one of them, you know?
>> It's It's
>> It's [ __ ] taking you to the
stratosphere. It's wild to watch.
>> It's sort of it's it's it's shone a new
light on my career. Yeah. It's sort of
revitalized it a bit. Yeah. you uh Rob
Schneider, Keratop, I mean there's you
the list goes on and on. There's Kyle
Dunigan. There's so many people that it
just [ __ ] launched them.
>> So cool. When Tony asked me to do it
>> uh two years ago, I'll be honest, I
didn't even know what it was.
>> That's hilarious.
>> I didn't know who Tony was. I'd never
met him. I knew nothing about it. I was
doing your club and they said, "Hey,
we're shooting tomorrow. Would you want
to stay an extra day?" And I said, "For
what?" They go, "Kill Tony." I said,
"What is it?" And I went on I had no
clue. I had no idea what it was.
>> Are you not online at all?
>> No, I didn't I didn't know anything
about that stuff.
>> How do you stay offline?
>> Well, I go online now cuz I started a
podcast. I'm trying to emulate you. But
you've been an inspiration. Thank you,
by the way. But I didn't know about all
that stuff. And so they asked me to go
on and I did my first set with Tony and
I think you watched it. It was the one
where I had the checkbook [laughter]
>> and then and then Tony when we when they
finished the show he goes, "Oh, you're
going to be guest of the year." I go,
"What are you talking about?" And then I
was guest of the year and then it just
sort of all this stuff. And now I'm
about to shoot a movie with Tony as my
star. I'm going to direct a movie with
>> Was it Madison Square Garden where you
were pulling the things out of your
pants?
>> Yeah, the limes. [laughter]
I said I had Lyme disease and I pulled
the limes out. Yeah.
>> What? You pull a trophy out of your
pants?
>> Yeah. Oscar. That's when [laughter] I
won guest of the year. I love to pull
stuff out of my pants, apparently.
>> What is the movie you and Tony are
doing?
>> So, uh, my next movie that I'm writing
and directing is called Rednecks.
And we're going to, uh, shoot in
September, October with Tony is the
Star. And I don't know if you do any
acting anymore, but I want to offer you
a part. I don't know if you're
interested.
>> Yeah. You don't like it
>> anymore? No.
>> You got no interest anymore. Maybe if I
could kill it for a day. Just run in and
do it in a day.
>> Really?
>> Yeah. Something easy.
>> Be fun to have you.
>> Where are you going to film it?
>> We're going to shoot in uh Florida and
Kentucky.
>> Jesus.
>> What if I got you for three days? Would
you
>> do?
>> We'll talk. Let's talk afterwards.
>> Okay.
>> I really don't like acting.
>> I know.
>> I don't have any time either. That's
also part of the problem.
>> Like time is uh my time is rationed.
>> I get it.
>> Yeah. Do you still have the passion to
act at all or No, as a Yeah,
>> I never really had it in the beginning.
>> Yeah.
>> I only did it for money.
>> Yeah.
>> Like, uh, I loved standup and I loved,
you know, going to clubs and doing and
then I got a development deal. It was
that simple.
>> And then all a sudden I'm on TV. I'm
like, "All right."
>> But it was good that I never had a dream
for it because then it I didn't have a
lot of anxiety about it.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, it was more like it was fun to
do.
>> Yeah. Me, too.
>> Because I was always like, I'm just
going to go do standup like this.
>> Yeah. I was the same way.
>> Yeah. It's better that way because the
people that like where it's their, "Oh
my god, it's happening." It's like so
overwhelming for them. Like I see people
have anxiety when they're about to do
their scenes and I was like, "Jesus,
man, [laughter]
>> chill out."
>> Well, we we're so used to performing in
front of audiences. Yeah.
>> That for some people the the moment like
for young actors, the moment when it's
like action and you walk in and then you
see that crowd, it it's overwhelming for
some people.
>> Yeah, it is. It's very hard for them to
find that comfort level that allows them
to perform at the level that they know
they can. Like they they might be really
good actors, but the feeling is so
overwhelming that they can't find the
rhythm.
>> You know what the opposite of that was
for me? And I don't know if you had this
experience. We were used to performing
in front of live audiences doing standup
where they're like reacting immediately.
We do a joke, they laugh. But now when
you're doing a movie or TV, suddenly
you're in front of an audience who are
cameramen and directors and make and
they just stand there. They don't laugh.
>> And that became like the opposite of
what we do. So when I first started
doing TV and movies, I'd get anxiety
because it's like, well, they're not
laughing. They're not reacting. They're
just standing there. It was all these
technical people. And that freaked me
out a little bit. But I had to overcome
that.
>> Yeah, that is weird. If you think it's
really funny and then you're saying it
and no one's
>> laugh cuz they're just making a movie,
>> right? Cuz it's not like the cameras are
there by themselves. There's people
behind the cameras and you're doing it
for
>> a crew like 50 people would be standing
there while you're doing a scene
>> with a cigarette in their hand, drinking
coffee, shaking their head,
>> checking notes. And did that throw you
when you first started?
>> Well, news radio luckily was in front of
an audience.
>> Yeah, that's true. So when you
>> but they were between the audience and
and you was all those people I was and
cameras.
>> Yeah. But the people laughed at all the
jokes if they were good, you know, if
they were good jokes. But so that that
was to me was like a different way of
delivering jokes,
>> you know. It was it was still it was
fun. It was I enjoyed it. I enjoyed the
sitcom, but the only way to do it right
is to have really good writers.
>> And that's hard to find, man. Like news
radio had that and really good
performers.
>> But if you're on a bad one, you're in
hell. You're in hell and you're just
collecting checks.
>> Yeah.
>> And you just check though.
>> Good check. That's the problem.
>> Yeah.
>> That's the problem. The Velvet Prison.
>> Yeah.
>> Those are the guys that wind up doing
drugs.
>> The guys that are on a show that they
hate.
>> Yeah.
>> They Yeah. You go straight two and a
half men. [ __ ] Charlie Shane in it.
>> It's part of it. Part of it is just like
you're in that lifestyle anyway, but
part of it is also like I don't want to
do this,
>> you know?
>> Yeah, I experienced that.
>> I don't want to do a sitcom. I'm bored.
I'm bored with these lame punchlines and
next thing you know, you're smoking
crack and
>> running from the cops.
>> You know what I realized too is with
these sitcoms,
it's they all keep borrowing the same
premise. Like I did three different
sitcoms and it's like, "Oh, now we're
doing the episode where uh the lead guy
is somehow dating an SNM queen and now
we're doing the episode where uh Jim
gets his car stolen." Like, you start to
realize like there's about 40 different
episodes, but they all just insert them
and sort of change them a little and
it's it's really very weird. It's like a
recipe.
>> So many premises, right?
>> Yeah. Right.
>> Yeah. It's Well, that's just the
uncreative ones. I mean, that's why Curb
Your Enthusiasm was so amazing,
>> right? They didn't repeat any premises.
That That show was [ __ ] incredibly
creative and and bizarre and no
audience.
>> That's right.
>> Another one. No audience.
>> Yeah.
>> But the ones the ones that that were
fresh were the ones that didn't. It was
more like the traditional sitcoms that
just plugged in the premises and it was
like
>> it's like, "Oh my god, I've already done
this." There's but there's something to
that form where it's done when it's done
really well. It is very enjoyable. It's
very comforting. Like I I always thought
like I saw clips of the Big Bang. I
never watched The Big Bang
>> until I started watching it with my kids
and I'm like this is a [ __ ] very
funny show. It's like a really good show
with like very defined characters. It's
really well made.
>> And I had this u prejudice of it I think
cuz I had seen some clips where they
were doing like retakes and there's no
audience. So they're saying the jokes
with no laughs behind them. It just
seems kind of lame. But everything seems
lame like that. Like retakes of News
Radio seemed lame, too, while we were
doing them.
>> Yeah.
>> But when I watched the show, I was like,
there's something comforting about this
kind of a show. And I wish they still
did them. They don't do them anymore.
>> They're dead. They're dying.
>> Miss Pat is the only one that I know of
that has uh an actual sitcom right now.
>> Like a three cam.
>> Mhm. She's got a live audience sitcom.
>> Wow. Yeah. I don't think anybody else
does. Or if they do, I don't know about
it. They used to be [ __ ] come as
[ __ ] man.
>> Yeah, that was that was the goal. That
was the dream to go get a sitcom.
>> But isn't it weird that we still enjoy
them?
>> Yeah.
>> But yet no one makes them anymore.
>> Yeah. I think they've been knocked out
of contention because they're so um set
up whereas we live in this world now
where people just scroll real life.
>> But why? Because dramas are still on TV.
There's still a million NCSI, whatever
the [ __ ] those shows are. You know what
I mean? There's a million of those
shows.
>> That's the Hulk.
>> Law and Order, Special Victims Unit,
there's a million of those shows.
>> So those kinds of same premise shows of
cops and lawyers and all that [ __ ]
those still exist. The medical examiner
shows, the forensic examiner show, those
shows exist. So, how come all these, you
know, there's a resurgence of rancher
shows now? Everyone's a rancher, right?
This 15 rancher shows now. So, those
shows exist, but no sitcoms.
>> As the Incredible Hunk Hulk once said,
me not know why.
>> I think it's a giant mistake cuz I think
you could make a sitcom right now,
whether Paramount Plus does it or one of
those organizations that streams, you
could make a great [ __ ] multicam
sitcom right now.
>> Yeah. I I I don't even turn on the TV
anymore, though. I think people are
being weaned right off of television.
We're in a transitional phase. I think
>> Dude, I rarely ever I when I used to go
on the road, I would check into a hotel
and turn on the TV right away. I don't
think I've turned on a hotel TV in about
six years
>> really.
>> I don't even turn it on. When I go home,
I watch my TV maybe once a month, if
that. I don't even look at it anymore.
>> So, do you look at your phone?
>> I look at my phone.
>> That's it.
>> That's it. It's bizarre. I'm even
weirded out by it. It's like, what am I
doing?
>> You never sit down and watch a movie.
>> Rarely. It's very rare.
>> Should do that. Should watch a movie.
>> I know.
>> They're very entertaining.
>> People should watch my new movie. Can I
say something about it?
>> You don't watch movies and you make
them?
>> Yeah. You know how [ __ ] crazy that
is?
>> Yeah.
>> What's wrong with you?
>> I'm crazy. I'm crazy. All right.
>> What is your new movie?
>> Do you mind me talking about it?
>> Please do.
>> Are you sure?
>> 100%.
>> I wrote, directed, and starred in a new
movie that just came out a few days ago
called Wingman,
and it's on streamers Apple TV, and it's
on Prime Prime Video.
And I play a crazy wingman that helps
people get laid.
>> Nice.
>> Yeah. And it's with Jamie Kennedy,
Russell Peters, Kayla Wallace, Evan
Marsh.
>> Oh, nice.
>> Shiva Nagar, and uh
>> Did you make this yourself?
>> Well, we made it with a with a studio
Stardust Pictures up in Canada with
David Lipper and Justin Lavine. And uh
it's a full-on full-on movie we we shot
up in Canada.
>> Nice.
>> Yeah. Really proud of it. And uh and I
hope people check it out. I hope you
check it out. Yeah,
>> I'll check it out if you promise to
watch movies every now and then
yourself.
>> I'll do it if you promise to be in my
next movie and we'll watch it together.
>> That's a lot.
>> It's an offer.
>> Okay,
>> we can talk.
>> Okay. I'm excited.
>> I'd love to see you get back in to do a
little acting.
>> I like that there are comedy movies
again. I really do. That's nice.
>> Well, that's the one with I'm going to
do with Tony is full on. That's why I'm
sort of asking you cuz I want to see you
get your comedy face in there again. Is
it about?
>> It's about a redneck culture.
>> And this is the part where you really
love it cuz I know you love vehicles.
>> It centers around something called a mud
bog where guys in Florida jack up their
pickup trucks and drive through mud for
3 days. It's not monster trucks. They
just drive through mud and jump and
spray. And then the other part of the
movie takes place in those airboats that
drive through all the marshes in
Florida. And you would be the mayor of
this town and get into it with Tony who
becomes one of these mugbod guys. So
you'd be around all this [ __ ]
>> Good lord. Florida is a different part
of
>> Isn't it wild?
>> Look at these [ __ ] cars. That's
crazy. Got an old Camaro.
>> Yeah. This is what they do. Tell me you
wouldn't like to be around that.
>> Scroll back up, please.
>> It's so fun.
>> So the movie
>> digging into the world of mud bogging in
North Central Florida. Yeah. So Tony's
going to be the uh the lead guy who
tries to win the whole mudbog thing, but
meanwhile the mayor, which would be you,
wants him out of town cuz he's such a
redneck. He doesn't like the culture.
>> Oh Jesus.
>> Look at that. [laughter]
>> Florida is so different.
>> It is such a different place.
>> Yeah.
>> God. [snorts]
>> So we're gonna have fun doing that. But
yeah, thank you for letting me mention
Wingman. Awesome. It's when you do an
indie uh project, it it helps to uh be
able to talk about it. So, thank you.
>> If you got an offer after this show to
do a sitcom, would you consider doing
it? And if someone said, "Listen, I
think we could bring back the multicam
sitcom."
>> But we want you to star in it, Haron.
>> I would if it was if it's all about the
material cuz me and you were older. I
think as we get older, it becomes about
how do we want to dedicate our time? I'm
not interested in just doing, oh, I got
a sitcom. It's got to have meaning to
me. Of course,
>> it's got to be something where I
>> But if you could help create it.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> That's what I'm saying. All those guys
that used to work work on all those
shows like Seinfeld and Friends and they
they have to still be out there in the
world.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> Isn't that nuts?
>> Yeah.
>> Like, can you imagine? Imagine back in
the 90s when everybody wanted a sitcom
when we were we were first coming up. If
you said, you know, one day there'll be
no more sitcoms, you'd be like, what the
[ __ ] are you talking about? You would
have never believed that. If you went
into these rooms where they they're
making Sex in the City and The Single
Guy and all these rooms, guys,
>> enjoy it while you can. Yeah. Because in
a couple of decades, there's going to be
zero sitcoms on television. They would
have just laughed.
>> Yeah.
>> They would have kicked you out of that
office. Get the [ __ ] out of here. You
don't know what you're talking about.
Meanwhile, that's true. Well, this is
why I love I hate I'm just going to go
back to it quickly. AI because it shows
were evolving, you know. Remember Joe,
at one point movies were black and
white. They didn't have sound.
>> Really?
>> Yeah. Yeah. They they were they and then
talkis came and color and digital and so
I love it that every form of our
entertainment is evolving and becoming
there's stuff going to come that we
don't even know, which I love.
>> Me, too.
>> Yeah. But I think sitcoms didn't have to
go away. That's what I'm saying.
>> Yeah, maybe not. But maybe so. Like the
new way. Like your daughters probably
don't want to sit down for half an hour.
>> They love sitcoms.
>> They do.
>> They watch old ones.
>> Okay. Well, I was wrong. I was really
wrong. I'm hurting.
>> Well, me and my youngest, we sat through
the entire season. I mean, the entire
all seasons of Big Bang Theory. That was
me and my family. We watched that one.
>> Yeah. my wife and my and then we watched
YoungSheldon which was the next version
of it.
>> Young Sheldon was really good. It was uh
it was a single cam show that was on
Netflix and it was Sheldon as a young
kid.
>> It was the genius kid as a young boy.
Very funny show but totally different
like really cute, sweet show
>> but not uh in front of a live audience.
And I think there's something I loved
doing news radio. I really did. Yeah.
And
>> but it was just because
>> it was an insanely talented cast and we
were all like brothers and sisters. We
were we had so much fun.
>> Family
>> for 5 years. We worked together and we
got drunk all the time and we It was so
silly. It was such a fun set.
>> It's like summer camp.
>> Yeah. It was really fun. It was really
And the show I think was really good.
>> Yeah, it did well.
>> And also, here's the best part. It was
never really successful,
>> which was great because none of us got
really rich or famous from that show. It
was really it was it was always like not
doing so well in the ratings. We got
moved nine times in five years. And this
was back back before the internet. So
you couldn't like send out a tweet, hey,
we're on Sunday nights now.
>> Wow.
>> You know, and this was back also when
nobody had
>> this. I just saw this trailer the other
day. This is a spin-off from Big Bang
Theory, but it's not a like, you know,
in front of an audience sitcom and it's
not multicam either, I suppose, but was
popping up.
>> Oh no [ __ ]
>> Yeah. It's called Steuart Fails to Save
the Universe,
>> but it's a new show, you know. It's a
comedy. It is a 30-minute show kind of
>> in that universe.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Even like the the logo is
like got the same kind of
>> Wow. It's on HBO. Yeah. Nice.
>> Wild.
>> Yeah.
>> Huh.
Who's created more bangers than that
Chuck Lori guy?
>> Oh my god. Yeah.
>> That guy's created so many big sitcoms.
Big Bang The What's that?
>> An article he wrote or I just read
interviewing him said that those shows
kind of died because like The Office and
uh Curb kind of killed it
>> for a while. Single camera, no audience.
>> Yeah.
>> I'm also thinking I wouldn't want to go
sit and watch a taping of a show right
now.
>> How much would they have to pay an
audience to do that?
>> Right.
>> Well, you only have to pay the audience
until the show becomes successful.
>> True. Yeah. I guess people would want to
go.
>> Yeah. You don't really want a paid
audience cuz they're not as much fun.
Like news radio in the beginning, nobody
knew who the [ __ ] we were. But by season
3, the audience was news radio fans.
Yeah.
>> And it became a totally different thing.
It was really fun. And Phil Hartman used
to do standup.
>> Oh, nice.
>> He had talked about doing standup in the
clubs, but he would do he was really
good at impressions. He would do Bill
Clinton impressions and he had bits. He
had little things he would run
>> and he would just do it for fun. And you
know, we had talked about him actually
doing it in clubs and he thought about
doing it. Um, but it was the whole thing
was silly. Like Andy Dick would address
the audience. He would they people would
answer questions. We had a good warm-up
guy. It was like a party that was going
on. Everybody had a great time. And that
was after the show, you know, caught its
gear. But it never was popular until it
became syndicated.
>> Then was in syndication. Then it became
really popular.
>> At least yours was sort of popular.
Every every week they'd put out the top
100. And my sitcom was always number 99
or 100. So at least yours was probably
up in the top 30. No. One day Lou Morton
Lou Morton was one of our writers and
Lou every week would show up with a a
t-shirt with a number on it that he
would draw with magic marker of what we
were. And one day he showed up and it
said 88. I go 88. He goes, "Yep." I go,
"No." He goes, "Yeah." I go, "Fuck,
[groaning] dude. I was a hundred every
week.
>> Wow. What network were you on?
>> The WB.
>> We were on NBC.
>> Yeah. Okay. So WB didn't have affiliates
all across the C. We only had like 60%.
>> 88 at NBC is you're barely alive. But
still 100.
>> Yeah. 100.
>> Well, they always tell us, don't worry.
We're not worried about the numbers. We
know you got to find your audience
again. Now you're on Monday night.
>> You used to be on Sunday. And one time
we were on Thursday night. We were in
the Friends sandwich. So it was Friends
and Seinfeld which Paul Sims the
executive producer of news radio famous
called the [ __ ] sandwich because in
between friends and Seinfeld you would
have like Caroline in the city and these
shows that weren't as good.
>> Do you want to hear about Salt in the
Wound?
>> Yeah.
>> So mine was show was number 100. Okay.
It was called Simon. It was me. I was
the star. I played Simon. Jason Baitman
played my brother.
>> Look at that.
>> And the lead girl, Andrea Bendlewald, we
ended up dating. She became my
girlfriend. Her best friend was Jennifer
Aniston. She lived with Jennifer. So I
would go and stay at Jennifer's house
every night with my girlfriend. We were
like Thre's Company. And I'd have to sit
there and watch Friends with Jennifer,
the number one show, while me and Andrea
were at the bottom at [laughter] number
100. It was like, oh, I mean, Love
Jennifer was so happy. But talk about
salt in the wound. It was like, oh,
damn. Isn't it crazy though? But you're
on TV. You're living the dream. This is
one of
>> It was great. It was great.
>> The earliest social media was the the
Variety magazine and the Hollywood
Reporter. That was like the same thing
where these people would compare
themselves to everybody else and they
would look at the rankings and I would
show up on the set and you know like all
these people loved to read those things
and they were reading those things and I
started calling them the devil's rag. I
go why are you reading the devil's rag?
I go because they were we were
complaining like I can't believe we're
number 36. If we were on, you know,
Thursday night we would be number two or
number one or whatever. And I go last
time I checked I'm on TV.
>> Yeah.
>> I go we're on TV. We're on TV on NBC.
There's not a lot of people that get to
be on TV.
>> Like, this is great. We're living the
dream. So, we're not number one. Like,
you guys are reading that and you're
forgetting how many people that you're
friends with that are going on auditions
right now that would kill to be on NBC.
But it's the devil's rag. It's the same
thing that happens with, you know, you
say, "Oh, I just got a new car. I'm
pretty happy." And then, "Oh, Jeff Bezos
got a yacht. Fuck."
>> I'll be honest, [clears throat] I was
like you. I was like, I'm on TV. But I
gotta tell you as we got deeper into the
season
and I had to sit there beside Jennifer
Aniston
and watch her number one show every week
and old 100 is sitting beside her. I
gotta say it it it started to seep in
where you're just like [ __ ] I'm on TV,
you know? It's sort of like there were
days when it was just you could feel it.
Not blaming her, but just the business.
It was it was hard to sit at one end and
see the other. But it that's the way it
works.
>> It's the way it is. But you got to
really just be happy to run.
>> Great. You're winning the lottery.
>> Yeah. You you won the lottery. You just
didn't win the mega power ball.
>> Yeah. And I loved it. I I got to work
with Jason and I, you know, I was the
star of my I came from the suburbs of
Toronto. Never thought I'd do anything.
Here I'm I got the I'm the star of my
own sitcom, Simon. I'm like, this is
unbelievable.
>> Yeah. It's I share your attitude. Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> And there's a lot of them that don't
work, man.
>> Yeah. I was on the set and we were there
like so you'd go like Sunset Gower and
there'd be a bunch of other places that
were next to you and I'd go visit with
all those guys cuz like a lot of them
were my like Lenny Clark Lenny Clark was
right down the street. He was on the the
John Larette show. Do you remember that?
>> Yeah. I got a little story about that
when you're done. I'll tell you. Tell
me.
>> Are you sure? You don't want to finish?
>> Did John Larat yell at you?
>> So before I got my own sitcom, so I was
in Hollywood. I did two auditions. I did
one for Ellen DeGeneres's first show was
called These Friends of Mine and I was a
guest star on the show with Molly
Shannon.
And then my second audition was for the
John Larette show and I went in and
auditioned and the feedback to my agents
was John said this guy wants his own
sitcom and I said to my agents I said
you're damn right I do. And the next gig
I got was my own sitcom.
Chick was pretty cool.
>> So, you think he didn't like you because
you wanted your own sitcom or he thought
you were too good for his show because
you want your own sitcom?
>> I think he must have sensed I walked in
there with attitude or cockiness, which
I didn't. I just did the audition. But
he must have been reading my vibe
somehow.
>> Well, that's you.
>> Yeah. So,
>> well, people that don't, that's how you
walk like people that don't y this
Harlon, you've always been like this.
>> I have. From the moment I met you,
>> you've always been like this very happy,
very confident guy. You never look
rattled to do a show. You always looked
like you're having a good [ __ ] time.
>> Oh yeah.
>> All of us like there was moments where
everyone had a big show and you're like
[ __ ] real nervous. You were never like
that. No,
>> you were always like happy golucky.
Yeah.
>> I don't know one person that doesn't
like you.
>> Oh wow.
>> Do you know how crazy that is?
>> I'm not even married.
>> But do you know how crazy that is? Like
I know every comic that I know has a
comic that they don't get along with
that they hate.
>> Someone hates them or they hate them or
there's some [ __ ] [ __ ] that guy. That
guy's a piece of [ __ ] His comedy sucks.
No one says that about you.
>> Do you know how amazing that is?
>> That's I'm That's a
>> We were talking about that in the green
room one day. We were talking about in
the green room cuz it was after you came
on with Dimmitri. I was I [laughter]
told everybody I was howling. He waited
the whole show before he pulled his
[ __ ] snake out of his pants. By the
[snorts] way, that snake sat right in
front of Donald Trump when he was here.
>> I loved it. I told you that.
>> I know you did. Um, so that conversation
that we had in the green room was like,
"Who the [ __ ] do you know that doesn't
like Harlon?" And we all sat around and
talked about it. There's no one.
>> A
>> you are you are like the most un
universally loved comedian that I know.
>> Oh my god.
>> I have to defend Tony to everybody.
>> Yeah. Tony. [laughter] Yeah.
>> HE'S A GREAT GUY.
>> He's a great guy. Yeah,
>> it's just like in that world you have to
understand the roast world. Like that is
not the real world, kids.
>> That is you're going for blood, you
know? Like if you're in a cage fight and
you elbow someone in the face, it's not
because you're a bad person. That is the
job. That's the game we're playing.
>> If you don't do it, you're you're you're
letting yourself down. You've got to go
in and fight. Yeah.
>> That's the game we're playing. These are
the rules that we're under. We're all
talking [ __ ] you know.
>> Yeah. It's uh
>> and so when you see people complain
about it. Yeah. I say I understand the
general public that's not aware what
roasts are because the reality of roasts
are especially for like if you're a 22-y
old kid. The last time there were roasts
on television before the Tom Brady bro
was literally 10 years ago.
>> Yeah.
>> Like do you remember the Charlie Sheen
roast, the Donald Trump roast, the
Comedy Central roast? They used to have
them all the time.
>> All the time.
>> They were a long time ago.
>> Yeah.
>> It's a long time in the zeitgeist,
right? So those things don't exist to
kids. to kids. Comedy is joking about
stuff. Comedy is Chris Rock. Comedy is
Kevin Hart. Comedy is Louis C. That's
what they think of comedy is. They don't
under They don't even understand the
jokes like that. This is roast jokes are
[ __ ] mean. They've always been
[ __ ] mean.
>> They can be cruel, too.
>> Personal, ruthless. Go back and watch
all those old Comedy Central roast. They
were [ __ ] brutal. They were brutal.
Patrice would just eviscerate the entire
[ __ ] stadium.
those things. The thing is like if
you're a person and you're not
accustomed to roast and you don't get
why those jokes are so mean, I get it.
But comedians,
comedians that are getting upset about
these roast jokes, [ __ ] all the way off.
Just [ __ ] all the way off. You [ __ ]
traitor. You know what this is. You know
exactly what this is. You're a [ __ ]
traitor. You're just using this moment
to try to boost yourself up to try to
like knock down what's happening in
these. You could disagree with the
content. You could say, "I think they
went too far with this. I don't think."
But the this this [ __ ] pretending
that these people are actual racists and
Nazis just because they're telling these
jokes that are in a roast. Like, [ __ ]
all the way off.
>> Yeah. Don't suit up. Go out and play
hockey if you don't want to play hockey.
Like, sit on the bench. And don't don't
badmouth the people playing hockey.
Yeah, it is what it is. And
>> that's the game. That's the game we're
playing. We're playing this ruthless.
And by the way, you know who didn't have
a problem with it? Kevin [ __ ] Hart.
>> Kevin [ __ ] Hart has defended every
single person that said horrible [ __ ]
about him about him being lynched from a
bonsai tree and all the craziest [ __ ]
that they said.
>> Well, you know who else didn't have a
problem with it is the people, the
corporations that put it on corporate
television on corporate airwaves. So
there's a whole subsection of the
foundation of where these the platform
that they're given. They didn't care
about it either or they wouldn't do it.
So
>> well they knew from the Tom Brady Roast
how powerful those things are now. The
Tom Brady Roast was the number one
watched thing in Netflix history.
>> Wow.
>> There more than 55 million people watch
that thing. I got to say I'm not the
hugest fan cuz I don't love cruel humor
as much. But but I do love it that that
Tom Brady roast I feel like it kicked
wokeness over the cliff like those
Buffalo. We were getting so woke and we
needed that roast to sort of course
correct.
>> There's two things that killed woke.
Number one,
>> Kid Rock gunned down a whole [ __ ]
stack of Bud Lights.
>> I [laughter] love that.
>> That That was it.
>> That was so good. That might have been
it.
>> Oh, that was gorgeous.
>> That might have been it because then
they got to see the real financial
consequences of being [ __ ] completely
insane
>> that people were fed up. They're like
enough. And Kid Rock saying, "Fuck you,
Annheiser Bush." Like, that is
>> that's a big hit to the stock price. And
then people realize, oh,
>> this is a micro set of people that are
very loud, but it's not the macro. It's
not it's not it's not the general
population.
>> It's even smaller than micro. It's it's
like micro micro.
>> Not only that, but the people that were
in it, a lot of them abandoned ship.
>> Yeah.
>> A lot of them abandoned ship.
>> Virtue signaling is done.
>> They just real they got caught up in a
thing that was like the way people were
behaving and so they imitated what was
going on in their social groups. It's a
normal thing that people do, but it just
it wasn't rational and that's why it got
shot down by Kid Rock.
>> By the way, what kind of gun did he use?
I don't know guns. I bet you know what
he used.
>> I think he used an AR. Go back and look
at it. It's a assault rifle.
>> Is it like like automatic?
>> Semi-automatic. I mean, maybe he used an
automatic. He's in Tennessee. They have
some solid gun laws.
>> He just blasted away.
>> You kind of have whatever you want.
>> How many in a clip for an AR? Do you
know?
>> It's called a magazine. And uh see, I
don't know Canadian. I don't know
anything about guns. They vary.
>> A magazine.
>> They took all your guns up there in
Canada.
>> Well, we never had
>> What is he What is he shooting there?
>> Wow. Look at that.
>> Yeah. Let's see. Let's see the video of
him doing it and I can kind of tell you
better.
>> That's wild. [laughter]
>> Kid Rock shoots back at Bud Light. How
many views does this have?
How many views this video have?
>> Some news reporting of it. I don't mean
He didn't post it on YouTube.
>> Look at this.
[laughter]
>> Oh man.
>> Okay. Uh that's an AR. I think
>> that's the magazine.
>> But it might be it might be a fully
automatic.
>> That's not a clip. Let me hear it,
please.
>> Yeah, I think that's fully automatic.
Yeah, that's fully automatic, 100%.
>> Wow.
>> So, he has uh some kind of machine gun.
>> I want to go I want to shoot up a
six-pack of Dr. Pepper just for fun. I
love Dr. Pepper, but now I want to shoot
a some pop.
>> Why don't you just go shoot something
you don't like? Cuz it's kind of
symbolic of something you're trying to
kill.
>> Wolves.
>> Yeah,
>> I love wolves. You want to shoot a wolf?
We're not going back to the wolf.
>> Depends on where they are. Listen, if
wolves are in the mountains and they're
just being wolves and they're eating elk
and deer and I'm all for wolves. I'm not
an anti-wolf person,
>> but I think you shouldn't bring them
into residential neighborhoods and drop
them off in ranches. I think that's
[ __ ] ridiculous.
>> I'm bringing you back.
>> But I think that wolves in the wild are
important. I'm not an anti-wolf person.
I just don't like people doing what I
call ballot box biology where you get
people to decide by voting that are
never going to experience these wolves.
Do you think we should reintroduce
wolves to Colorado? And all these people
that just got back from Whole Foods like
yeah that would be amazing. I heard it's
going to help the sprouts grow and they
they vote yes. And then these poor lambs
are getting eaten alive.
>> Have you shot a wolf?
>> No. No. I don't want to hunt wolves. I
don't I mean I would shoot a wolf if I
thought the wolf was like endangering my
family or trying to kill my dog or
something like that, but I love wolves.
I don't not like wolves. I think they're
awesome. I think they're awesome.
>> Have you ever heard a wolf howl in the
wild?
>> No.
>> It's very haunting. It's very ghostly.
Even more I know you've heard coyotes.
>> Mhm.
>> But a wolf has this long howl. It's
almost
>> I can see why Native Americans are so
spiritually connected to it. It's very
ghostly and
>> Oh, yeah.
>> It's spiritual almost. It's a very in a
beautiful sound.
>> No, they're amazing animals. But
>> that was pretty good.
>> Sort of like that.
>> Do you know if you do that? I had a
friend who had
>> Sorry, I slipped. I had a friend who had
wolves and if you do that in his house,
they start howling.
>> Yeah, they go nuts.
>> Yeah. I would go over his house and and
>> father.
>> Wild. What a wild animal.
>> What a crazy noise. That Look, they're
incredible.
>> They're incredible.
>> That's That's so awesome.
>> I saw one in the wild.
>> They're important to keep populations. I
just don't think you should reintroduce
him to [ __ ] Aspen, you [ __ ]
>> It might be fun to see a pack of Timbers
taking down a skier.
>> Like Charlie Sheen coming down the hill
with Denise Richards and
>> 12 Timberwolves like take them down. And
>> there was a movie.
>> Rip out their
>> There was a movie about that called
Frozen. Not like the Let It Go, let it
go.
>> Oh yeah, it was with Liam Niss.
>> No, that was the Gray. The The Frozen
movie is someone movies. It's a hor I
know all the wolf movies. It's a horror
movie about these kids that are uh
skiing and they get stuck on a ski lift
because they forget they're up there and
there's wolves down there, okay?
>> And they get killed. So, the guy falls
and his legs break
>> and then the wolves come and get them.
>> See, you're going to get mad at me, but
I don't. A movie like this one scare me
because I just know wolves to be
skittish like this.
>> You're out of your mind. Yeah. You don't
know what you're talking about if you're
injured.
>> Like lions,
uh, leopards, jaguars, like, forget it.
They'll take you down. But
>> my experience with wolves is they're
more skittish around humans. But I don't
want to get into it again. We can go to
Arby's later and have a fight.
>> If you have a broken leg like that guy
did in this movie,
>> they're bleeding [clears throat] and
they can smell it. They're tearing them
apart right now. Look at Watch. Watch
it. They're eating them. They're eating
them.
>> They're killing the man.
>> Is that Denise Richards?
>> No.
>> No. It looks like Drew Barry.
>> Spoiler alert, they live.
>> Also, spoiler alert, no wolves in New
Hampshire. It's all [ __ ]
>> Oh, yeah. There probably was at one
point.
>> Yeah, they killed them all because they
were killing people and livestock.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Idiots.
>> You know how they killed them, too? Most
of them they poisoned. What they would
do is they would inject strick nine into
horses and leave the horse carcass and
eat it and then they would all die.
>> Wow. They did a lot of trapping, too.
Those cruel
>> the uh Oh, yeah. The snap traps.
>> Yep. They did that, too. I knew some old
uh trap guys up when I worked up north
and uh these guys, you might not want to
hear this, but the way they'd take them
out is they'd trap them in the leg traps
and then they didn't want to damage the
pelt. So then they walk up to them while
they're trapped and they just clunk
them. They club them to death.
>> I like how they club seals like back.
Yeah.
>> Horrible.
>> Yeah, that's I don't like that.
>> The clubbing seals, man, was rough. I
saw some rough. You ever see those
videos? And the seals.
>> God,
>> at least a wolf would run away. These
seals, they're just laying out
sunbathing. And they walk up and just
bam, smack and pop their skulls.
>> I know. And you're doing that for their
fur.
>> And the babies, they'd smack the babies
cuz they had that beautiful white fur.
>> Oh my gosh.
>> These things are like a chromosome away
from being a sex toy. They're so cute.
[groaning] Wow.
[laughter]
>> [sighs]
>> Wolves are good.
>> Yeah.
>> You just don't want them in your
neighborhood. They They should be in the
woods.
>> I love them. I' I wouldn't mind if they
were around.
>> You say that.
You say that. Do you have a dog?
>> I've had them.
>> What if you came out and your dog was
getting eaten alive by wolves? Cuz they
eat dogs.
>> I lost a co one of my dogs to coyotes.
Yeah.
>> I remember the day you told me your pit
bull went up and took out a whole squad
of coyotes.
>> No, no, no. It wasn't my pit bull.
>> Oh, I thought it was yours.
>> No, no, no. Your neighbors. It was one
of my friends who worked at a pet store
who was also worked at a veterinarian's
office. Okay. And he told me the story
about this pitbull that came into the
veterinarian's office. It was covered in
cuts. A big pit. Okay. Yeah. You told me
this like like 10 15 years ago.
>> Yeah. It was like one of those, you
know, they there's there's these
companies that um take pitbulls and they
breed them and make them like 120 lbs.
They keep breeding them bigger and
bigger. This was one of those. This
thing was a [ __ ] tank.
>> Like a tank. And he said it was covered
in cuts. And they asked the guy like,
"What happened?" He goes, "I don't know.
You know, I came home. He was all [ __ ]
up and bleeding."
>> So he brings him in, they stitch him up.
And then the guy follows the blood trail
out into the hills and he finds nine
dead coyotes.
>> Yeah, I remember you told me that. We
were at the store one night and you told
me that you just heard it. I was like,
"Wow,
>> that is the nuttiest."
>> That story stayed with me cuz it was so
like crazy.
>> He said he went there. He said it looked
like Vietnam. He goes, "There was just
their necks were torn apart. Their
[ __ ] legs were broken because this
pit bull once he grabs a hold of them he
just starts shaking them. Coyotes weigh
like 30 pounds.
>> Yeah. They're not super big.
>> But they would do this thing where they
would like corner an animal and they
would trick it. And the way they would
trick it, they would send one animal out
there to get chased.
>> And so that the dog would chase it and
they would all come in sides and tear it
apart.
>> Yeah. They were really smart that way.
>> They [ __ ] with the wrong dude.
>> Yeah. Wow. Isn't that a crazy story? I I
remember that one you told me that I was
like that's crazy.
>> Yeah.
>> Wow.
>> Yeah. There are everywhere now. They're
in
>> Coyotes are everywhere.
>> Everywhere.
>> Yeah. Oh, yeah.
>> They're They're really cool, too. Coyote
America, that book by Dan Flores, the
same guy who wrote Bison Ecology, Bison
Diplomacy,
>> he wrote this amazing book about coyotes
where he explains like why they're
everywhere. Cuz greywolves and coyotes
don't breed, but red wolves and coyotes
do. That's why you have those koi wolves
on the east coast.
>> Yeah.
>> Greywolves have always killed coyotes.
>> Yeah.
>> So when greywolves find coyotes, they
kill them. And so coyotes are used to
being persecuted by the greywolves and
then they just keep moving to new
places. That's what they do. So that's
how they made it all the way across the
country.
>> So when people were killing coyotes or
people were trying to hunt coyotes, they
just moved. They just moved to new
places.
>> Yeah. They can adapt. I see them in my
front lawn almost every other week.
>> Yeah, they're everywhere.
>> Yeah, I'm in the Hollywood Hills and
they're I see them walking right past my
swimming pool.
>> I mean, it's not cool if you have a dog
or a cat. They will eat them. But they
they are cool. They're it's a cool
animal.
>> They're really cool.
>> And they're they're howls are wild, too.
These yips in the middle of night.
>> Well, they go off sometimes if there's a
a fire engine goes by in Hollywood.
Yeah, the the coyotes will react to it
and go off.
>> They also keep the rats down. Like
that's why you don't see a lot of rats.
They keep the rat population down.
>> Oh yeah.
>> If they if they killed off all the
coyotes, it would have a devastating
effect for the ecosystem, too. There
would be a bunch of [ __ ] that would be
around all the time now that they're
killing and eating.
>> Yeah. Yeah. No, they're they're cool
animals, man. There was a a girl,
speaking of being killed by wolves,
there was a girl in Prince Edward Island
about about 12 years ago, I think,
killed by coyotes.
>> She got killed by a pack of coyotes.
>> She was out running with her Walkman on
and
>> she was like a promising folk singer.
>> Yeah.
>> They said that those coyotes were
unusual because they were used to
killing moose.
>> Killing moose. Yeah. The coyotes would
literally they were going after bigger
game because there wasn't a lot of game
there. So they were used to packing
together and like taking out the moose
by like attacking their legs.
>> Yeah.
>> Keep cutting at their legs
>> until they can't run.
>> Wow. I've never heard of coyotes taking
out a moose. That's wild.
>> Yeah. We we looked it up on the show.
Like this was a very unusual area.
>> Strange. Yeah.
>> And it's one of the reasons why they
think these coyotes killed this girl.
And she wasn't big. She was small.
>> Yeah. She was out jogging. Yeah.
>> But that's the thing, man. They they
they don't have rules. They don't like,
well, we don't [ __ ] with people and
people don't [ __ ] with us.
>> But the orcas seem to they seem to
understand what we are. They've saved
people even out in the wild. Like people
that fell overboard, they've saved them.
Yeah. Isn't it strange that such a
probably the top predator in the sea
next to the sperm whale, the killer
whale could take whatever it wants.
>> Yeah.
>> And somehow instinctively it leaves
humans alone. I I don't really
understand it. And that's why I talk
about sort of the programming of nature
to step around humans somehow because it
doesn't make sense. Humans look like
seals with the same body shape, the same
weight pretty much. And yet orcas,
there's no documented kill of a human on
by an orca.
>> I know. Other than worlds, right? Well,
they're so smart and their brains are
huge. They're have huge brains. We just
equate intelligence with your ability to
manipulate your environment. Like, so
they don't have a house, they don't have
cell phones. They must be idiots.
>> But we don't know. And they they clearly
understand that we're different than
everything else.
>> But that's what I mean. All I think all
the critters do.
>> Well, we are.
>> Yeah.
>> Show some respect, [ __ ] We're the ones
with the guns.
>> Uh, it's bi.
>> Thank you.
>> I mean, look, we both love animals. I
know you love animals. I love animals,
too. I just love people more.
>> I love people the same. But if it came
to deciding whether we left Earth with
humans or animals, I'll be honest, this
will sound mean. I' I'd give it to the
animals.
>> Why?
>> Cuz they don't know cruelty.
>> That's not true.
>> They don't know
>> malice. Do you know they listen, you're
saying you're talking crazy talk. Do you
know how uh bears kill things? They just
eat them. They hold them down. They eat
them. They didn't even kill him first.
>> But it's not it's not from cruelty. It's
for survival. Humans are cruel. Have you
heard of Hiroshima?
>> Yeah, I have. That was probably less
cruel than a bear eating you [ __ ]
first.
>> No, but there's no intent with a animal.
>> He's just trying to eat you.
>> An animal doesn't have intent,
>> right? But the end result's still the
same. If you you were getting eaten
[ __ ] first [snorts] by a grizzly
bear, you're not thinking, well, he
doesn't have intent to be cruel. This is
just how he eats me. [ __ ] first is
his favorite way.
>> He has to eat you. He can't go to the
grocery store.
>> He doesn't have to eat you. He could
kill you first and then eat you like a
cat does.
>> But he doesn't know how. He doesn't
realize he's being cruel. No, no, no. He
doesn't care.
>> Right. He doesn't know how. He could
definitely kill you. If you were a bear
and they were fighting, he would grab
you by the neck and he would kill you.
Like they try to kill each other. But
when they eat you, they're not they just
don't care.
>> Right. Well, that's what I mean. There's
no malice. Whereas humans,
>> but the result is the same. You're not
going to take comfort in the fact that
he doesn't have malice while he's eating
your dick.
>> It's pronounced gourd.
[laughter]
>> You know that video uh well the audio of
Grizzly Man getting eaten?
>> Yeah.
>> 5 minutes long.
>> Oh yeah.
>> It's 5 minutes long of him screaming
while this thing is just eating him by
grabbing his thighs and pulling chunks
out of his thighs.
>> By the way, they finally just recently
released that audio, right? Cuz in the
movie Grizzly Man, the director refused
to play it.
>> No, it's not real. It's Wernern Herszog.
He He They destroyed that audio. The The
fake audio that's online, it's just
fake. That
>> the new one.
>> It's fake. It's not even new. It's been
around forever. But you listen to it, if
you know it's fake, you hear it, you go,
"Oh, this is bullshit."
>> Okay.
>> Like, [screaming]
>> it sounds fake.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> It sounds fake.
>> But the point is like, yeah, people are
gross and cruel. So are chimps, you
know? So what they do to monkeys is
[ __ ] horrific.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, I don't know if they're doing
it on purpose, but they what they do to
people. It seems like they're doing it
on purpose. When they bite your fingers
off and pull your eyeballs out, it seems
like they're being cruel. You know, I
think it's a primate survival tactic,
especially like primates that engage in
war. Like chimps engage in war, you
develop cruelty in order to be better at
your job.
>> Yeah. But I I think with them, they they
lack emotional cru cruelty. Like humans,
we have we have the knowledge to know
something's bad or good. They just know
survival and we engage in bad which
makes us a different kind of cruel.
>> Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah.
>> Did I just win my first argument?
>> No, I mean you're right. I agree with
you about that. We we have a certain
type of cruelty that's not, you know,
it's not like any other animals cruelty
because we're aware of how it's going to
affect other people.
>> There you go.
>> Yeah. They're not really aware of it.
They just don't care.
>> Yeah. You know, you know when they do
those things where they communicate with
chimpanzees, they teach them sign
language.
>> You know, they've never had a chimp ask
a question.
>> Yeah. Right. Interesting.
>> Isn't that interesting?
>> They communicate, but they never like
>> Yeah.
>> Why are you wearing clothes? There's
not, you know what I mean?
>> I never thought of that.
>> Yeah. That's weird, right?
>> Yeah.
>> Can we get Arby's for lunch? Like, why
don't they ever ask for anything?
>> They don't ask.
>> Yeah, that's Well, wait. Did Did um You
know what? That's not true. How so?
>> Coco the gorilla the the gorilla
>> he would ask for affection. He would ask
for love and hugs. I think there's
>> Oh, yeah. But that's a request. That's
not a question. Like why am I here?
>> Oh, okay.
>> What is this building?
>> You're talking more of a philosophical
question.
>> No, I'm talking about h being having
actual curiosity about like its
environment, right? I understand.
>> Why is your skin white and mine is not?
What is
>> They're just not aware.
>> How come you don't walk on your hands?
You know what I mean? Like what what we
call intelligence is very
compartmentalized. It's very in our
intelligence. We have the intelligence
to understand this thing probably
doesn't like being in the cage. They
don't think that way.
>> No. Do you believe in the concept of a
missing link like something in between
homo erectus and Neanderthal and then us
modern day? Is there do you think
there's a missing
>> creature? I think the first of all the
real problem is what's the evidence in
terms of the fossil record? It's very
incomplete,
>> right?
>> Because it's hard to get fossils,
>> right?
>> Like for for someone to leave a fossil
behind, you have to die in mud or has to
be specific conditions.
>> So most animals that die, I think we
looked it up before, it's like 99% are
never going to leave a fossil,
>> right? So when they find things like
Dennis Ovenans, so the Dennis Ovenans, I
think they found in the 20110s or
something like that. When did they find
them? Was it more recently than that?
Maybe it was more recently than that. So
they just found like a tooth and a
finger. And then and then they start
finding bones. They're like, "Hey, this
is not like a normal human tooth. This
is not like a normal human bone." And
then they do DNA tests on them and then
they go, "Oh, this is different. This is
a different type of human." So there's
humans that lived alongside humans that
we just found out about 10 years ago.
>> Huh?
>> So how many versions of ancient homminid
to modern homo sapien? How many versions
were there that we have evidence of?
That's what we don't know.
>> What's the homo
>> 2008? Here it is. Michael Shunov of the
Russian Academy of Sciences and other
Russian archaeologist.
>> Oh, what happened?
>> We just got scrolled player.
>> What is that? That was weird. and
scrolled.
>> What did it just do? That was so weird.
>> That was so weird. It's like It's like
they didn't want us reading this out
loud.
>> What's the homo we're missing?
>> Uh, that's a good question. So um
archaeologists from the Institute of
Archaeology and Ethnography of the
Siberian branch of the Russian Academy
of Sciences in Novo Cibrisk
Aador
investigated [snorts] the cave and found
a finger of a juvenile female homminid
originally dated from 50 to 30,000 years
ago.
>> Huh.
>> And then the estimate was changed to
76,000 to 51,000 years ago. Specimen was
originally named exwoman.
So anyway, um the whole thing is that
they found that this is go back that
again um a novel ancient hominid
genetically distinct from both
contemporary modern humans and from
Neandertos. So they knew from that that
it's a new kind of human and that's just
2008. So this is 18 years ago they found
that. So, who knows how many ones they
could find if they kept if you had
there's a limited amount of
archaeologists that are doing this kind
of work. Imagine if you had thousands
and thousands of them scouring Asia,
scouring Africa, looking. There's
probably a bunch more that we haven't
discovered.
>> Oh, definitely.
>> So, this idea of the missing link, I'm
not sure if that's accurate.
>> Okay.
>> But then the question is good. I'm glad
you said that because it it sort of
illuminate illuminated me a little too.
>> I hadn't thought of it in those terms.
2008, a Taiwanese citizen purchased a
fossil homo mandible dredged from the
seafloor of the Taiwan Strait from an
antique shop and donated to Taiwan's
National Museum, the National Science.
Uh, attempts to extract the DNA were
unsuccessful, but in 2025, protein
analysis of the specimen designated
Pangu one was published showing that it
belonged to a male Dennisovven.
>> That's was this in a shop?
>> I love the missing link was in an
antique shop. Well, that's how they
found Gigantoythecus, too. They found
>> I like that old lamp. I'll take that
plate. And how about historic missing
link? How much is that?
>> The hell?
>> I think it's just a different kind of
person. Yeah. You know, and then
>> interesting.
>> If they kept finding more of them, maybe
we'd have a better understanding of like
what we're talking about. But
>> there's a giant leap. That's for sure.
>> Yeah.
>> It's the biggest mystery in the entire
fossil record is the doubling of the
human brain size over a period of 2
million years. Well, it's a nutty nutty
thing that happened. All of a sudden,
our brains grew.
>> Well, what's interesting to me, too, is
that you you do have some fossilized
remains that are very, very, very old
that date back to, you know, caveman era
stuff. And then we have stuff closer to
what we just looked at, but there's that
that one transitional where you'd think
there'd be a transitional creature that
they can't seem to find.
>> They might find it. They might. I hope
they do. And I think some of these are
getting closer. They don't have like a
lot of Dennisovven bones,
>> but there's going to be a few more that
they find, I'm sure, if they keep
looking. I bet there was probably a
bunch of different kinds of humans. The
question is like, why did we succeed?
And why why are we so much smarter than
all the rest of them?
>> We should go antiquing this weekend. See
what we can dig up.
>> I don't think it's that way.
>> Well, according to that missing place in
an antique shop in
>> China, right? It was a long time ago.
>> I don't care if they bought china or
pottery. I just let's go.
>> I got to wrap this up, buddy.
>> Yeah, buddy.
>> Always good to see you, brother.
>> Great to see you. Thanks for having me,
brother.
>> Thank you for being here. Uh Wingman,
it's Is it available? Streaming is
available everywhere.
>> It's only streaming uh on Apple and
Amazon Prime right now all over the
world. And then in Canada, we will start
streaming the end of June. And they
might even do uh 60 to 90 theaters up
there. So, we're excited. Yeah. So,
yeah, Wingman. Yeah. Yeah. And good luck
with the Tony one, too. That sounds fun.
>> Yeah. And hopefully maybe we'll see you
there.
>> Hopefully maybe. And congratulations on
guest of the year. That's awesome. Also,
>> that was that was last year. Yeah, that
was last year. Thank you, buddy. Great
to see you. Love you, man.
>> Love you, too, [music] brother. All
right. Bye, everybody.
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