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>> The Joe Rogan Experience.

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>> TRAIN BY DAY. JOE ROGAN PODCAST BY

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NIGHT. All day.

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>> Dimmitri was here when Donald Trump was

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here.

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>> Wow. That made my day.

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>> It was important. Doesn't matter what's

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odd.

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>> It doesn't.

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>> No.

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>> There we go.

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>> Um.

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>> Wow. These are nice.

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>> Dimmitri the snake.

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>> Yeah. Tapeworm.

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>> There he is. Oh, that's right.

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>> Tapeworm. Yeah. What's going on with

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your face? What are you doing?

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>> This is a tight one for me today, guy.

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[laughter]

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What?

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I'm feeling ripe.

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>> What is that?

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>> It's a It says Betty.

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>> Billy.

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>> Billy. Oh, B I

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>> L L Y.

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>> Oh, okay.

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>> It's a uh

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it's a memorial tattoo.

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I don't know if you knew this or not,

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but uh

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my uh

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my kid got hit by a truck.

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>> When did you have a kid?

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>> About two years ago. I haven't told

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anyone.

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I was ashamed. It was a one night stand.

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Kid,

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>> is it a human kid? Yeah,

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[laughter]

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>> Billy.

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>> Did he get hit by a truck?

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>> Got hit by a truck.

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>> Was he just walking?

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>> Well, someone and I won't say who, left

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the gate open and uh he wandered out

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into the street and uh boom,

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like hit by a 18-wheeler.

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And uh this is like a memorial. So, you

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got Billy tattooed on your forehead?

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>> I have two tattoos. I got Billy on my

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forehead and I got a tattoo of his

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little face over my heart.

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>> Let me see it.

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>> Really?

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>> Yeah.

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>> God.

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>> First of all, what happened to the one

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when you were attacked by the bear

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>> that healed up? [laughter]

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This is Billy.

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>> Billy Goat.

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>> He's a kid.

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>> Billy the kid.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Yeah. Poor little guy.

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>> Poor little guy.

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>> He was a service animal.

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>> I thought he was your son.

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>> Well, he was my boy. He was a kid.

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>> But you said he got him out of a one

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night stand.

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>> Well, that girl sold him to me. He was a

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service animal.

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[sighs]

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>> Mhm.

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>> Yeah.

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It sucks, dude. And you know what sucks?

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He was hit by a truck that was hauling

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medical supplies. Okay.

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>> How ironic,

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>> right? He's laying there. And to watch

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your kid bleet to death.

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He's just laying on the pavement like

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just bleeding to death.

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>> Amazing. He was still alive.

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>> Well, he I couldn't believe it. He was

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alive and and a respirator rolled out of

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the back of the truck, a life-saving

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device, and crushed his stupid his

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crushed his head. So he was killed not

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by the truck but by the final blow of

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the respirator landing on him,

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>> right? So the irony,

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>> what are the odds?

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>> Well, this is the irony in life, Joe.

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Like he he got hit by the truck, might

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have survived a respirator rolled out of

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the back. These things weigh a good half

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ton.

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>> Lands on the idi on the kid's face and

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uh gone.

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>> Poor Billy.

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>> So memorial tattoos.

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>> Well, you're a good guy. That was a good

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>> I would have ate them.

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>> Is that right?

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>> Yeah.

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>> How does goat taste? I haven't had it.

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>> It's pretty good. Yeah, I've had it.

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>> You have?

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>> Sure. First time I ever had it was in LA

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at a Mexican spot. They sell they were

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selling goat tacos. They were delicious.

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>> Oh my god.

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>> Yeah. And then I had a neighbor, well

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not a neighbor, who's a landscaper that

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was a friend of mine that would uh he

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would fight chickens. They do chicken

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fights.

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>> [ __ ] fights.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Yeah. I've had those.

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>> Trying to be polite. Clean it up for the

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viewers.

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>> Wow. Chicken chicken fights.

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>> [ __ ] is kind of the technical name.

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>> Seems wrong.

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>> Yeah.

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>> When you're saying it.

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>> Have you ever

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>> I don't like how you're saying it. But

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anyway, they would roast a goat. He told

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me uh whenever they would do a co [ __ ]

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fight better. Feel better.

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>> Well, it's not for me. It's for

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>> for the culture.

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>> For the Yeah. I mean, it is what it is.

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A pit fight. A pit bull fight.

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>> Actually, I wonder how you say it in

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Spanish cuz Elco

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>> So anyway, he lived in this

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neighborhood. You would swear to God

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that it was Mexico. It was crazy. Like

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every sign was in Spanish. All the

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people were in Spanish. There was

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roosters everywhere. You just on his

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street you hear

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like all day long. It was like it was

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crazy. And so he had this friend of

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mine, friend of his rather, uh he went

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to his we went to the backyard and in

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the backyard there's just stacks and

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stacks of rooster cages. They had so

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many roosters. And they had these prize

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roosters and they had a whole pit. So

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they had a thing. It was almost like a

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barn looking area. And you go in there

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and there's a pit,

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>> a cockpit.

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>> And then that that's where they would

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fight. And he he was showing me where

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they would roast a goat. He said every

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time they would have a a [ __ ] fight,

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they'd roast a goat and everybody have

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beers. And

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>> well, if you're going to have a [ __ ]

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fight, you might as well roast a goat.

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>> That's what I said.

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>> But if I had a cockpit in my backyard,

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I'd get like a Delta pilot and an

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American Airlines pilot and toss them in

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>> and let them fight it out.

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>> Let them fight it out in the cockpit.

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>> Who do you think would win? probably

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Delta because they have

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>> the DEI program.

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>> Do they?

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>> Yeah.

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>> Or in this case, they do the DI

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>> the DIE program cuz someone ain't coming

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out alive.

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>> Well, I think we need pilots. So maybe

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you should do it with someone that's

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like over represented in the

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marketplace. Like what what would be

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like we could get rid of some of those

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folks

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>> who we could single out?

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>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Would be like we've

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had enough. There's too many of you

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guys.

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>> Yeah.

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Politicians.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Oh, yeah. Homeless advocates. I'd love

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to see politicians get in a pit and

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fight,

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>> right?

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>> Yeah.

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>> Two men enter, one man leave. I mean,

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that had to how it went down a long time

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ago.

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>> Yeah.

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>> A long time ago.

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>> Oh, you're talking like cavemen years.

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>> Yeah. Tribal days.

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>> Tribal day. Yeah.

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>> Yeah. They probably had a fight.

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>> Yeah.

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>> My opponent's a piece of [ __ ] He wants

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to steal all the coconuts.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Yeah. Well, I think I think back then

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the hierarchy worked based on physical

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dominance, intimidation.

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>> Mhm.

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>> Like you'd be a good leader. You got you

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got you're jacked.

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>> Yeah. I'm not a good leader though

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because I'd be like, you got to do what

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you want to do. I'm not really

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interested in running this place. I got

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to get out of here.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. Because once you decide

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you're running it, you're stuck with

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everything.

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>> Yeah. And all the problems are your

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problems.

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>> Wow.

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>> And everyone wants to kill you. Like who

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the [ __ ] would want to be president?

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This is why voting for president is a

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real problem.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Like in 2028 it was like who's going to

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win in 2028? Who's going to win? Who's

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going to run? Who wants that [ __ ]

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job? What normal healthy person wants

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that job where at least half the country

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is going to [ __ ] hate you. And the

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people that you got in that got you in

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like they're not going to be happy cuz

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you're never going to be able to do what

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you're saying you want to do. It's not

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even possible. What' you just put up,

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Jeremy?

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>> Uh, I was going to say, do you think

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they could start dueling again like they

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did in the 178? They used to duel. Yeah.

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>> Many periods of history, according to

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Perplexity, our AR sponsor, politicians

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fought literally with fists, canes,

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swords, and pistols, and some famous

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ones were killed or badly injured in

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these clashes. 1700s, 1800s, dueling was

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a common way for gentlemen and

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politicians to defend their honor in

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Europe and the United States. That would

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be sick if congressmen, you know, if

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like on they start screaming and yelling

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at each other like they always do. Yeah.

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>> I challenge you to a duel and everyone's

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like, "Oh, let's [ __ ] die."

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>> They go out on the White House lawn.

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>> Andrew Jackson killed Charles Dickinson.

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>> Yeah.

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>> The author

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>> and was wounded himself.

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>> That's not the author, is it?

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>> No, no, no, no, no. I mean,

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>> that's Dickens. That's Dickens.

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>> Oh, okay. [laughter]

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I mean, that's a bad review for a book

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when you go,

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>> you piece of [ __ ]

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>> I didn't like Tom Sawyer. Boom.

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>> Did Dickens write Tom Sawyer

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>> or Huck Finn?

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>> No, no, no. That was um

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>> Sammy Clemens. Mark Twain. Sammy

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>> Twain.

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>> Yeah.

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>> What the hell did Dickens write?

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>> Oh, I don't remember.

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>> The uh the Christmas one.

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>> Christmas one. The Grinch.

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>> Which one did he write?

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Grinch that stole

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>> Oliver Twist. Christmas Carol is the one

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I was trying to think of. David

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Copperfield, Great Expectations.

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>> Oh, he wrote that?

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>> Yeah, Christmas Carol is one I was

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thinking of.

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>> Okay. He wrote some great stuff. What

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year was um Put that thing up again

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about the DS

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>> because uh so Jackson killed someone

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>> 1806.

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>> In 1806. When was he president?

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>> Later. It says later.

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>> Wow.

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>> Yeah. So he shot someone and then became

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president. He was a murderer and he

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became president.

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>> Vice president did it in 1804.

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>> Whoa.

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>> JD Van's going out and shooting the

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Treasury Secretary right now.

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>> What? This is crazy. They had a pistol

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duel with the Treasury Secretary.

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[laughter]

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>> Hamilton was mortally wounded and died

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the next day.

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>> That' be crazy to see right now.

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>> Wow. Wow.

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>> The UFC fights at the White House. Maybe

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they could do that.

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>> It ended this guy Burr's political

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career. Scroll back up again. And Aaron

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Burr. So was the vice president, Aaron

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Burr, shot the [ __ ] Treasury

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Secretary. That's crazy.

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Former Treasury Secretary and killed him

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and then it ended his career.

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>> Even in 1804, they were like, "That's

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outrageous." But isn't that crazy? That

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was just the 1800s.

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>> Yeah.

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>> 200 years ago, they were shooting each

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other.

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>> And America's all about guns. So why

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aren't we just doing that now? It would

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end a lot of like really shitty

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conversations. Yeah. Because a lot of

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people they talk in a way they say

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horrible mean things because they know

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there's no repercussions.

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>> Yeah.

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>> If if they could just challenge you to a

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fist fight on the Senate floor.

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>> Look at

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>> that was a thing.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Would change a lot.

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>> 1856.

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Representative Preston Brooks of South

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Carolina entered the US Senate Chamber

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and brutally beat Senator Charles Summer

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of Massachusetts with a cane after

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Summer gave an anti-slavery speech that

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insulted Brook's cousin.

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Summer was left unconscious and badly

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injured.

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>> Whoa.

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Whoa. Because he gave an antislavery

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speech. Imagine. Why'd you hit him? The

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guy's against slavery. Oh

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>> yeah. Yeah.

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>> Did you use a weapon at least? Yeah.

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He's a cane. He's against slavery.

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>> What the hell are you going to do? Just

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let him be against slavery?

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>> Yeah. [laughter]

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>> He insulted my cousin, a slave owner.

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>> Wow.

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>> Well, you know, America's like kind of

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built on gun culture, so it sort of

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seems to fit, you know.

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>> Also, combat like Thank you. It's just a

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little bit more. It's like violence.

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There's going to be a UFC on the White

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House lawn.

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>> Yeah, that seems like a good safe place

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to be, huh? Everyone's going to know

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where all the world leaders are going to

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be. We're all going to be stuck sitting

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in that spot for six hours calling

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fights.

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>> You're going to be there, right?

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>> Super safe. I feel completely safe.

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>> You're going to be there, right?

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>> Yeah. Oh, I'm going to be there.

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>> Do you do you like the concept of it or

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No,

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>> I do not like it.

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>> How come, guy?

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>> Because it's outside and I think world

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championship fights should be in a

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controlled environment because out of

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respect for the athletes and how

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difficult it is to compete

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professionally in a world title.

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However,

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>> I should say, however,

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>> it's going to be a spectacle. Whether I

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was there or not, I would be watching

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100%.

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>> It's uh I think it's awesome that Trump,

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this is one of the things that I like

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about him. He's like, "Fuck it. Let's do

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it."

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>> He puts on cage fights on the White

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House lawn. That's nuts.

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>> He's fearless.

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>> But he does wild [ __ ] I like that. I

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like that part. I don't like the Iran

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war thing, but I like that. You don't

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like the concept that uh Iran can no

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longer have nuclear weapons.

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>> I think that's better than a UFC fight.

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>> That is a good concept. However, I don't

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necessarily know there's a clear way to

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get out of this. And if you know what we

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did in Afghanistan for 20 years and how

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much American taxpayer dollars were

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spent and how many people lost their

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lives,

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>> but in Afghanistan, it felt like they

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were just sweeping out like goat farmers

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and guys hiding in caves. Whereas here

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there's a directive where they're

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preventing a rebel country from having a

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bomb that could annihilate portions of

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our planet. So I think that's a much

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clearer and more positive agenda than

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wiping out guys living in the hills of

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Afghanistan creating opium.

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>> That's true if it made sense. The

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problem is uh I had Scott Horton on the

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podcast explaining what is actually

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involved in making depleted uranium and

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making it weapons grade and what would

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have to be done in order to get it to a

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bomb level.

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>> It's very difficult. It's it's not as

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simple and they weren't nearly capable

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of doing that. Not nearly, but pursuing.

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>> It's a good question because they were

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being he was also saying they were being

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inspected on a regular basis. And

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essentially, this is Israel wanting us

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to go to this war. Israel wants Well,

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and makes sense. If I was Israel, if we

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were America and Mexico had nukes

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pointed at us or whatever. It's not

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nukes, but you know what I'm saying?

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Like, if they did, if they were trying

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to build a nuke, if Mexico and America

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were constantly in conflict and Mexico

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was trying to build a nuclear bomb,

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That would be a good reason where I

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America would want to go [ __ ] up Mexico.

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Like, hey, you can't have a nuclear

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bomb. This is Israel's position, right?

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Israel's right there with Iran. They're

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close enough. They're throwing missiles

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at each other.

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>> I get why they would want it. I just

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don't know if it's a good thing for

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America. And I don't know if there's a

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way out of it.

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>> Well, I think what we have to look at is

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the bigger scope. If not America

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cleaning it up, who does it? Who has the

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power and the wherewithal to do it? You

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know, we've used like twothirds of our

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missiles doing it.

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>> Yeah. But it leaves us vulnerable if

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there's any other kind of a conflict.

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We're like under armed right now.

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>> I don't think we're ever underarmmed

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when we have our Triton submarine force

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lurking in the oceans 24/7 and nobody

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knows they're there. Even members of

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American military.

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>> What do you know? How do you know this?

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>> Oh, I know things, guy.

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>> Did Billy tell you this?

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>> Billy. Billy's dead. [laughter]

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>> Wait a minute. Do you know something

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about these Triton submarines for sure?

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What do you know?

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>> Well, they're they're they're

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circumnavigating our oceans 24/7.

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>> How many are there?

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>> I think there's a fleet of 12 to 24. I

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think it's closer to 12. But these

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things can stay underwater for up to a

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year. And most members of our American

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government don't even know they're

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there. They don't know where they are.

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>> How much underwater jerking off is going

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on right now?

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>> Well, think about it. One Triton

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submarine. Trident submarine

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>> has how many guys on it?

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>> I don't know how many guys, but it has

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something like 24 nuclear warheads and

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each warhead has 24 that break off. So,

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one of these submarines could take out

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half the world and we've got them going

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all the time. So, whenever you're afraid

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of any little hot spot in the world,

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just remember that we have this going on

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in the ocean. A lot of people don't know

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about it.

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>> I like you say this we [ __ ] when you're

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Canadian.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Interesting. Yeah, when the [ __ ] hits

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the fan, Canadians like to pretend

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they're Americans. I don't like it.

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>> I'm just not worried. Like, I'm not

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worried about America ever being

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vulnerable. It's It's an area. It's It's

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a nautical force that you don't really

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hear about, but if you were to look it

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up, there's this there's this force out

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there that could take out the world.

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>> Well, Jamie just looked it up.

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US Navy submarine force today consists

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of about 53 of fast track of fast attack

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submarines, 14 ballistic missile

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submarines and four guided missile

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submarines all nuclearpowered. That

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yields a total of roughly 70 to 71

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nuclear submarines in the force making

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it the world's largest nuclear submarine

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fre fleet. Why currently in the oceans

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is classified except for people who talk

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to Harlon.

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>> Exactly. Harland knows the exact number

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of US nuclear submarines at sea at any

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moment and their locations are

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classified for operational security. The

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Navy does not release real-time

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deployment figures. Public discussion

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instead uses overall force and general

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deployment concepts like continuous SSBN

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deterrent patrols rather than daybyday

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counts.

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>> Mhm.

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>> Okay, that makes me feel a little

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better.

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>> Well, you need not worry. And that's you

17:12

didn't even tap into the trident. The

17:14

trident are the nuclear ones that run

17:16

silent. So you can't ping them.

17:18

>> You can't go.

17:21

>> You can't That's That's pinging. That's

17:24

sonar.

17:24

>> What do you mean you can't use sonar to

17:26

fight?

17:26

>> You can't ping them. They're nuclear.

17:27

They're silent. They're silent predators

17:30

in the ocean.

17:30

>> Really?

17:31

>> They're huge. And I told you one one

17:34

nuclear warhead splits off into 16 or

17:37

24. So, one of these one of these damn

17:40

Trident submarines could put anyone in

17:43

its place at any time. So, don't you

17:45

worry about our missiles being depleted.

17:48

Mr. Joe Zachary Rogan. [laughter]

17:52

>> Zachary. How do they get a new nick?

17:55

>> I don't know. If I know about

17:57

submarines, I know about your middle

17:59

name. [laughter]

17:59

>> Okay, I'm going have to change my

18:01

license. In current open sources,

18:03

Trident submarines usually means US Navy

18:05

Ohio class ballistic missile submarines

18:07

that carry Trident 2 D5 nuclear

18:10

missiles. And there are 14 of these

18:12

boats.

18:13

>> There you go. And so these boats are

18:15

just floating around ready to [ __ ]

18:16

people up. So do you think it was a good

18:18

idea to go into Iran, start bombing?

18:21

>> I think whoever's the bad player, I

18:23

think it's a good idea. If it was North

18:25

Korea, Iran, Israel, Canada, Mexico,

18:29

>> anybody [ __ ]

18:30

>> whoever is causing [ __ ] in the world, we

18:32

don't have time for you. Let's get on.

18:35

Let's get in line. Let's all work

18:38

together or you get a timeout. You We

18:41

don't We don't have time for this

18:42

anymore. We're a society of

18:45

sophisticated human beings. We got to

18:47

move forward. There I am. Sonar guy.

18:50

>> Look at you, dude. That's That's me on a

18:52

trident. That's what you do in your

18:54

spare time.

18:54

>> Yeah, I ride around the world protecting

18:56

things.

18:57

>> They dye your hair before you go into

18:58

there? [laughter]

19:02

>> Triggered an old memory when he started

19:04

doing that,

19:05

>> right?

19:05

>> What movie was that in?

19:06

>> Down Periscope.

19:07

>> Down.

19:08

>> Wow. Look at you, dog.

19:09

>> Yeah, but this is real, guys. So, I'm

19:12

just saying to you, don't ever fret.

19:14

>> Okay.

19:15

>> There's no one on earth that can

19:17

threaten America.

19:18

>> How did 9/11 happen then?

19:20

>> Well, that that was landbased. That was

19:22

terrestrial and that was simple planning

19:25

and box cutting and hijacking.

19:27

>> But we're talking about global warfare,

19:30

nuclear war. Let's say Moscow launched

19:33

and hit seven of our cities tomorrow.

19:36

Well, guess what? Moscow

19:39

Debbie 7 or8 China submarine waiting

19:43

just offshore for you.

19:46

>> [laughter]

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>> Right. But there's no one left here to

21:12

celebrate cuz we're all dead.

21:13

>> It doesn't matter. America doesn't lose

21:15

is what I'm trying to tell you, my guy.

21:16

>> Oh, we still win when everyone's dead.

21:18

>> Yeah. Still win. The guys floating

21:20

around in the Indian Ocean and the

21:22

Atlantic and the North Sea.

21:23

>> So those will be the new civilization.

21:26

>> America wins even when they lose, my

21:28

guy. Maybe that's why the aliens are

21:30

under the water. Maybe they're the ones

21:31

that survived.

21:32

>> You believe that?

21:33

>> The apocalypse.

21:35

>> Yeah, I don't know about the aliens

21:36

under the water.

21:37

>> Tim Burett was on this podcast.

21:40

>> Well, what does he know?

21:41

>> He said that there are three. Did he say

21:43

three bases or five?

21:44

>> I don't remember.

21:45

>> When your last name's [ __ ]

21:47

>> No, no, no. It's Bett. It's my

21:50

>> He's a very honest man.

21:51

>> So, what did he say?

21:53

>> He said that there's these three

21:54

location. I think it's three. See if

21:56

three or five. I can't remember which

21:58

one.

21:58

>> Hang on, let me tell you. [laughter]

22:01

>> Five.

22:03

>> So, you said there's these spots under

22:05

the o where regularly they have these

22:07

events where things come out of the

22:09

ocean.

22:10

>> When you say things, are we talking

22:12

giant squid? Are we talking

22:14

extraterrestrial?

22:15

>> They're talking crafts that move in a

22:17

way that we can't right now. 500 miles

22:21

an hour under the water. They're

22:23

transmedium, meaning they can go above

22:25

the ground and in the water with no, it

22:27

doesn't seem like it's causing them any

22:28

resistance. Yeah.

22:29

>> Bashett said there are five underwater

22:31

bases, and in some reports it's f it's

22:33

phrased as five or six. What

22:36

>> the clearest reporting says he pointed

22:37

to five areas in the US waters where

22:39

such bases could be. So they there's a

22:42

bunch of areas in the ocean and if you

22:44

think like you were going to hide

22:45

something,

22:46

>> that's where you would hide it. We can't

22:48

we don't go in the ocean that much,

22:49

right? On land. We go in the ocean, but

22:51

we don't know the ocean. It hasn't been

22:53

mapped. I think we've only mapped less

22:55

than 10% of the ocean floor.

22:57

>> We know more about the surface of the

22:58

moon than we knew know about the bottom

23:00

of the ocean. Correct.

23:01

>> And so when they're if they if they were

23:04

here, that would be the place to hide.

23:06

Just go to the deepest parts of the

23:07

ocean where no one can go.

23:09

>> Yeah.

23:09

>> And you build bases

23:11

>> cuz if they can travel here from another

23:13

planet.

23:13

>> Yeah.

23:14

>> James Cameron went to the bottom of the

23:15

Mariana Trench. We watched a video of it

23:17

the other day.

23:18

>> Fascinating. So he did that in 2012. If

23:20

he can do that, for sure something that

23:23

can come here from another planet can

23:25

also go down there and most likely set

23:27

up a base.

23:29

>> I'm skeptical. I don't I'm not denying

23:31

it, but I'm I'm thinking if you're an

23:33

extraterrestrial

23:35

and you're coming to a planet like ours,

23:38

what what's the upside of

23:41

>> going deep down into a trench that's I

23:44

think it's what, three, four, five miles

23:46

deep? The areoli trench.

23:49

>> Areoli.

23:50

>> What's it called?

23:52

>> Huh? [laughter]

23:53

>> Areola's the thing around

23:54

>> your tits.

23:56

>> Did you catch this yesterday? Probably.

23:57

Maybe not. The new Disclosure Day

23:59

trailer.

24:00

>> I did.

24:00

>> So Steven Spielberg's in it.

24:02

>> Yeah. He's saying,

24:03

>> first of all, bro, cut your nails.

24:05

You're freaking me out. Scratch. You

24:07

scratch.

24:08

>> He's a nose picker. Some people keep

24:09

them long to get boogers.

24:12

>> Spielberg probably likes to pull out a

24:14

crank out a greeny. Boy,

24:17

>> picture Spielberg laying in bed at night

24:19

just cranking out a greeny and eating

24:21

it.

24:22

>> So he said that he believes that we are

24:24

being visited much. I don't think he

24:27

does that. He's a respectful.

24:28

>> Look at those nails. Those are booger

24:30

picking nails.

24:30

>> He's just too busy to trim his nails.

24:32

>> I don't know. He probably could have

24:34

someone trim those dirty booger nails.

24:36

>> You think that's what they are?

24:37

>> He looks like an eye eye almost.

24:39

>> What if he had like one long coke nail?

24:41

What if he had like one long pink nail?

24:43

>> Like an eye eye? Like a [ __ ] coke

24:45

nail, bro.

24:46

>> You ever seen an eye?

24:47

>> It's like those [snorts] dudes, they

24:48

grow the pinky nail long to let

24:50

everybody know they do coke.

24:51

>> Pull up an eye, Jamie.

24:53

>> What does that mean?

24:54

>> You'll see in a second. Dr. Coke nail.

24:57

>> Jesus.

24:57

>> A e a y.

25:00

>> Maybe it's that ink from the tattoo.

25:01

That

25:02

>> Now show them the middle finger of the

25:04

eye.

25:07

>> Whoa. Look at that hook. So, they have

25:09

an elongated middle digit that they

25:12

stick deep down into coconuts and

25:14

melons.

25:16

And uh that's a Spielberg hook right

25:18

there. [laughter]

25:22

>> That is what the fingers look like. Look

25:24

at that. That's Spielberg at night

25:26

laying in his water bed picking

25:28

greenies.

25:29

>> I don't think he does that.

25:30

>> I think he does. There's one in his

25:32

beard right there.

25:33

>> I feel bad that I brought it up.

25:34

>> Look, there's the hand. There's the eye.

25:36

Oh,

25:37

>> I I H.

25:39

>> And isn't it interesting, Joe, if we go

25:41

full circle, if you're down in a Trident

25:43

submarine and the captain says, "Press

25:46

X572 and obliterate Iran right now." The

25:51

operator would go, "I I sir."

25:54

[snorts]

25:55

>> I don't think they say that. I think

25:57

they say Roger.

25:58

>> Well, the guy's name is Roger.

26:01

>> Why do they say Roger?

26:03

>> Huh?

26:03

>> I wonder why they say that name. Like

26:05

it's not Mike.

26:07

>> Roger was based off of the Jolly Roger,

26:09

the flag, the skull and crossbone. So

26:12

the nautical term Roger came from that.

26:14

Jolly Roger.

26:15

>> Yeah, but the military uses that too.

26:17

Roger that,

26:18

>> right? But they adopted it from the uh

26:21

the Navy.

26:22

>> Let's find out if that's true.

26:23

>> Yeah, I was going to find what what is

26:25

Roger the term Roger that. Where's that

26:27

come from?

26:28

>> As I'm looking that up, do you know why

26:29

pirates wear an eye patch?

26:30

>> Cuz they cut their [ __ ] eye off.

26:32

>> No. Oh, so they could uh see better at

26:34

distance

26:35

>> at night under the under the ship

26:36

because it's dark,

26:37

>> right? Yeah. It's uh for

26:41

when you know light when you get

26:44

accustomed to darkness

26:45

>> the more But why does why does having

26:48

one eye closed?

26:51

So, do they put the patch over the other

26:53

eye when they go under at night?

26:54

>> Yes, you switch.

26:55

>> Whoa.

26:57

>> They switch eyes.

26:58

>> So, they they never have to get adjusted

27:00

to the dark. Well, that's crazy. Yes.

27:02

So, Roger has to do with Morse code

27:04

according to

27:05

>> that is actually kind of amazing. What a

27:07

smart move. You put one patch over your

27:10

eye during the daytime and one patch at

27:12

night and you can always see.

27:15

>> Y

27:16

>> originally stood for the letter R which

27:18

is used as shorthand for received in

27:21

Morse code. Yeah.

27:22

>> In an early radio. So saying Roger means

27:24

I received your message.

27:26

>> Oh. Oh, interesting. And it also hankers

27:29

back to the skull and crossbones. The

27:31

Jolly Roger, if you pull that up,

27:34

>> I don't think it does.

27:35

>> Yeah, it is. It's a derivative of the uh

27:38

cranial area of the uh the tib the tibia

27:41

cross the cranial.

27:44

>> Jamie doesn't believe you.

27:45

>> The hell's going on?

27:46

>> When Jamie laughs, I know something's

27:48

up.

27:49

>> What is uh Jolly Roger? No, the Roger

27:52

and radio talk and the Roger and Jolly

27:54

Roger come from different traditions and

27:56

are not historically connected. Do you

27:58

think this is maybe top secret

27:59

information that you know and maybe you

28:01

just made a mistake by telling the whole

28:02

world?

28:03

>> Can I answer it with uh

28:06

[laughter]

28:08

you've just been sonar player. So

28:12

imagine [clears throat]

28:13

if there was a super sophisticated uh

28:16

intelligent civilization that existed

28:18

way before ours like 30,000 years ago

28:22

and then they had developed underwater

28:25

travel, space travel, all that jazz.

28:27

Then the apocalypse comes and the only

28:28

ones that survive are the Trident

28:30

submarine guys that are in the ocean,

28:32

>> right?

28:33

>> Maybe that's why all these bases are in

28:35

the ocean. Maybe they are the the last

28:37

remaining survivors of a super advanced

28:39

civilization

28:40

>> that existed thousands and thousands of

28:42

years before like Mesopotamia.

28:45

>> But my point to you, Joe, good point.

28:47

Valid. Valid.

28:49

>> Think about it for Daddy's going to

28:51

play. I'm not even refuting it, but I'm

28:53

going to

28:54

>> roll it around the old Canadian. roll it

28:56

around and I'm going to come back at you

28:59

with an argument that if I'm an

29:01

intelligent life force and I've got this

29:04

sphere with oceans and land, why do I

29:07

want to make life harder for myself? Do

29:09

you know the pressure that you're at 3

29:12

miles down in the ocean? The amount of

29:14

pressure that come look what happened to

29:16

that little that little submarine that

29:18

popped about three years ago,

29:20

>> right? So why do you want to live in an

29:22

environment where you have so much

29:23

pressure when you could simply land on

29:25

the terrestrial plane and live

29:27

pressurefree? Because if they are

29:31

insanely advanced, one of the things

29:33

that's proposed is that they have some

29:35

sort of a gravity bubble and this is how

29:38

they move through space and this is how

29:40

they don't use propulsion that they

29:42

essentially us through space.

29:44

>> Exactly. That's why these crafts act as

29:47

transmedium crafts. When these crafts

29:49

are flying and they go into the ocean,

29:51

the the ocean rather, there's virtually

29:52

no splash.

29:53

>> And they're moving 500 miles.

29:55

>> Frictionless.

29:55

>> Exactly. They're not they're not

29:57

existing in the same spaceime as we are.

30:00

They have a bubble and this bubble

30:02

completely distorts everything around

30:03

them. [snorts] So you're saying if they

30:05

descended into the depths of our ocean,

30:08

they wouldn't experience the pressure

30:10

because the bubble

30:11

>> Exactly.

30:11

>> is forcing off the pressure. Exactly.

30:14

>> Interesting.

30:15

>> But still, okay.

30:18

>> What is your purpose for going

30:20

underwater when you could just land on

30:23

the surface of the Earth?

30:24

[clears throat]

30:26

>> Maybe they're observing us and making

30:28

sure that we don't [ __ ] things up.

30:29

>> But how can they observe us if they're 3

30:31

miles underwater? Well, they come out of

30:33

the water, Harland. That's the whole

30:35

reason why they know they're there, cuz

30:36

they keep experiencing these crafts that

30:38

are rising out of the water in these

30:39

very specific locations.

30:41

>> Yeah.

30:42

>> You seem like a disinformation agent

30:44

from the government or something.

30:45

>> I am. I am.

30:46

>> It seems like it.

30:47

>> I am.

30:48

>> You should work out on being a little

30:50

more stealthy.

30:51

>> What do you mean?

30:51

>> Because it's very obvious to me that

30:53

you're what the kids call controlled

30:54

opposition.

30:56

>> Well, that could be me

30:57

counterintuitively

30:59

pre-programming you to think sideways.

31:02

What would be the benefit of that? I'm

31:04

not experiencing these ways of

31:05

espionage.

31:07

>> What's the benefit of living a mile down

31:10

in the ocean in the Areoli Rift?

31:12

>> I think this the [clears throat] whole

31:15

reason they're in the ocean is because

31:16

that's where we won't find them. Like if

31:18

you wanted to watch like a civilization,

31:22

if we went to another planet, okay,

31:24

let's say this, we let's say we go to

31:26

another planet and we find people that

31:28

are living like cave people. They're

31:29

killing each other with spears. They're,

31:31

you know, robbing and raiding villages.

31:34

If we wanted to just observe and we had

31:37

the ability to observe from the sky

31:39

motionless with no sound at all and just

31:42

watch them, don't you think we would do

31:43

that?

31:43

>> Yeah.

31:44

>> We wouldn't interfere. We would want to

31:45

know as much about them as we could.

31:47

>> Right.

31:47

>> Every now and then when one of them was

31:49

going to get watered, we [ __ ] dart

31:50

them with a tranquilizer dart, check

31:52

their DNA, take some jizz, and then

31:55

leave them there just like they do to

31:56

us. We would do the exact same stuff if

31:58

we could do it. If we were just a little

32:01

more advanced than we are now. So not,

32:04

you know, millions of years in advance,

32:06

which we think maybe possibly some

32:08

civilizations are, but maybe a hundred

32:10

years or a thousand years.

32:12

>> And we found a planet and that planet

32:14

had cave people on it.

32:15

>> 100% we would do most of the things that

32:19

these aliens are doing.

32:20

>> If we had a way where we could dart them

32:23

and tranquilize them and they'd have no

32:25

idea that we did it and they would just

32:26

wake up in the jungle confused, we would

32:28

do it. If we did medical tests on them,

32:31

if we could take them, [clears throat]

32:33

bring her to a secure medical facility

32:34

that we had, maybe in a helicopter or

32:37

some sort of a spaceship that we've

32:38

created, and we run some tests on them,

32:41

take some sperm, take some skin samples,

32:43

do a [ __ ] cat scan on them, whatever,

32:45

and then put them back in the jungle. We

32:47

would do it 100%.

32:48

>> This isn't Mutual of Omaha's Wild

32:50

Kingdom. We're not W the Beast. We're

32:53

not seals. Like, clearly they share some

32:57

of the intelligence we have. They're

32:59

masters of aeronautics. We've mastered

33:01

aeronautics in our physical plane. So

33:04

what's with all the mystery? Like if

33:06

they can communicate and they can talk

33:08

and they can build

33:10

>> as we can. It's not like

33:12

>> No, we're too primitive.

33:12

>> Why don't they just How do you know

33:14

that?

33:15

>> Because if something

33:16

>> Why don't they just go, "Hey, let's go.

33:17

Let's go chat to the idiots."

33:20

>> No.

33:20

>> If we're that dumb. At least we can

33:22

communicate.

33:23

>> I think you have

33:23

>> our fighter jets fly with their fight.

33:25

Our fighter jets track them. We lock on

33:28

to them.

33:29

>> No, they're not.

33:29

>> So, we're sharing aeronautical

33:31

intelligence.

33:32

>> No, no, no. They're not sharing. They're

33:34

trying to find them and then they dart

33:36

away and move in ways that we can't

33:38

explain.

33:38

>> But we see them. We track them. We share

33:40

the same airspace. We're both flying. I

33:43

don't know why I'm getting so fired up.

33:47

[laughter]

33:48

>> Yeah. But still, dude, if we went to

33:51

another planet and found

33:52

Australiathecus, we found an early

33:55

human, you know, one of the early

33:57

primates,

33:58

>> okay?

33:58

>> 100% we would dart it.

34:01

>> 100% we would tranquilize it. We would

34:03

run tests on it. We would want to know

34:05

about it 100%.

34:07

>> Okay? You're talking about a

34:08

Neanderthal,

34:09

>> right? That's what we are to them. If

34:10

they're the little grays with the big

34:12

heads and they communicate

34:13

telepathically and they could fly here

34:14

instantaneously from other solar

34:16

systems, we might as well be the ape

34:19

people.

34:20

>> But why the evasion? Like if you saw

34:22

Homopicus or whatever it's called,

34:24

>> Australia

34:25

>> holding up a cell phone, would you still

34:28

go, let's dart it and probe it and let

34:32

it go? I want you just go, "Hey, that

34:34

that monkeyy's got a cell phone. Let's

34:36

go talk to it. We can talk. We have cell

34:39

phones." Like why the why the mysterious

34:42

distance? Like if they're in the ocean

34:44

and they know we're intelligent beings,

34:47

why not just come up and say, "Hey,

34:49

anyone want to go snorkeling?"

34:52

>> I think Australiathecus with a spear is

34:55

about as intelligent to us as we are to

34:58

them. But if they have an evolved

35:00

language and they have communities and a

35:04

civilization, isn't that enough for us

35:06

to just walk into camp and go, "Hey

35:08

guys, I mean, they did it with with tri

35:11

with uh, you know,

35:13

uh, tribes that live in the Amazon.

35:16

Who's that guy? Who's the guy they

35:18

boiled in the pot?" That famous saying

35:20

uh, what's that famous? Oh, I can't

35:23

think of it right now. Uh, but anyways,

35:25

we we wandered into into the Amazon and

35:28

walked right up to like weird Amazon

35:31

tribal people. It's not like we hid and

35:34

tried to hide from them.

35:36

>> Yeah. But they didn't know those people

35:37

were even there.

35:39

>> But when they found them, they

35:41

integrated. They approached them. They

35:42

go, "Hey, this is a t-shirt. This is a

35:44

camera."

35:45

>> Those are human beings that are the

35:47

exact same kind of human beings as the

35:50

people that were visiting them. They're

35:52

not different species.

35:54

Still,

35:55

>> no.

35:56

>> So, if you Joe Rogan were out in a field

35:58

one day

35:59

>> Uhhuh.

35:59

>> and you saw a new species of like people

36:03

jumping around having a picnic, sharing

36:06

a salami,

36:07

>> would you would you just hide behind a

36:09

log and watch them or would you would

36:11

you go, "Hey, uh, who are you? What are

36:14

you?"

36:15

>> Well, you're not even allowed to contact

36:16

unconted people.

36:19

>> Say that again. You're not allowed to

36:22

contact like North Sentinel Island, that

36:24

island in the middle of the Indian Ocean

36:26

where that uh preacher went and got

36:28

killed because he was trying to bring

36:29

them Bibles,

36:30

>> right?

36:30

>> You're not allowed to contact unconted

36:32

tribes.

36:34

>> Uh is that like all of them?

36:37

>> Most of them.

36:38

>> I don't think so.

36:39

>> Indian Ocean, they they they have that

36:41

North Sentinel Island protected. And you

36:43

know, there's people that discourage

36:45

people from contacting people in the

36:47

Amazon. There's several unconted tribes

36:49

in the Amazon. I wish they'd stay that

36:51

way. Yeah.

36:51

>> Stay unconted.

36:52

>> Well, I don't want to see a beautiful

36:55

like Pygmy or someone from an Amazonian

36:58

tribe wearing an Adidas shirt.

37:00

>> Why not?

37:01

>> Or a Hooters shirt.

37:02

>> Hooters would be funny.

37:04

>> No,

37:04

>> that'd be funny.

37:05

>> I want to see them wearing like cuckook

37:07

feathers and uh you know, hookah pick

37:10

bones. Leave them alone.

37:12

>> Spear fishing with a BE hat on.

37:14

>> Joe, come on guy. No. [laughter]

37:18

No. See, that's

37:19

>> why not.

37:20

>> Well, then that's why the aliens under

37:22

the ocean are staying away from us. They

37:24

don't want to be corrupted by our

37:26

ridiculous society of Hooters and

37:28

Cracker Barrels.

37:29

>> Okay. If you were in the Amazon,

37:32

wouldn't you want a t-shirt?

37:35

>> If I was if you were walking through the

37:37

Amazon, you Harlon Williams. Yeah.

37:39

>> The third right now alive in 2026. If

37:43

you were in the Amazon and I said,

37:44

"Would you like to wear a t-shirt while

37:46

you're walking through the Amazon?"

37:47

Yeah.

37:47

>> What would you say

37:48

>> as a white North American male?

37:50

>> I'd say definitely.

37:52

>> And they want one, too. It's better than

37:53

no t-shirt.

37:54

>> No, it's not.

37:55

>> There's a tribe of five people and one

37:57

of them has a shirt.

37:58

>> One of them's got a tight shirt. I hate

37:59

that.

38:00

>> Look, he's got flip flops. That guy on

38:01

the right is ball. That is the baller of

38:04

the [ __ ] neighborhood. That's the guy

38:06

that pulls up in the 65 Chevel and

38:07

everybody's like, "Look at him with his

38:09

flipflops."

38:10

>> I think that's that guy who wrote

38:11

Margaritavville. What was his name?

38:13

[laughter]

38:14

>> Jimmy Buffett.

38:14

>> That's Jimmy Buffett for God's sake.

38:16

Mike read about

38:18

>> what's it called?

38:21

Isn't [laughter] that him?

38:24

>> I think that's him.

38:25

>> Where's him?

38:26

>> Get away again.

38:28

>> Well, we get dinged on YouTube for that.

38:30

Jamie,

38:30

>> it's very You guys are getting way too

38:31

close. Yeah,

38:32

>> you know, you get dinged like

38:34

>> Oh, you can't sing.

38:35

>> They take away your [ __ ] advertising

38:37

revenue if you hum a song.

38:40

>> Okay,

38:40

>> the these dirty criminals.

38:42

>> Wow.

38:43

>> Hum a song. You dirty scumbags trying to

38:47

steal advertising money.

38:49

>> What if we mess with them and hum a tune

38:51

and sort of play name that tune with

38:53

them? And if they'll do, they'll [ __ ]

38:55

ding you.

38:55

>> Even if they can't figure it out, like

38:57

they've got to sit around the office.

38:59

>> They'll pretend. Then you have to go to

39:00

court.

39:00

>> Name that tune in seven notes. And I'm

39:03

like,

39:04

>> don't do it. Don't do it.

39:06

>> Do you know what I just did?

39:07

>> You [ __ ] us up. That's You know what

39:08

song that was?

39:09

>> I don't care.

39:10

>> I do.

39:10

>> What is it? It was uh that Pink Floyd uh

39:15

song.

39:15

>> No, no, no. Don't you don't say that

39:16

because then they'll get us.

39:17

>> Yeah, but they don't know which one.

39:19

>> Doesn't matter.

39:19

>> And they can't prove it.

39:20

>> They They don't have That's what you

39:22

don't understand. They don't have to

39:23

prove it.

39:24

>> Oh,

39:24

>> all they have to do is make a claim.

39:26

>> Huh?

39:26

>> And then you have to fight it and you'll

39:27

lose.

39:28

>> You're Joe Rogan, though. They're not

39:30

going to mess with you, guy.

39:31

>> Oh, you're so incorrect.

39:34

>> By the way, dude, you are jacked.

39:36

>> I work out.

39:37

>> Can we get your shirt off?

39:38

>> No. [laughter]

39:40

How come?

39:42

Joe, don't be selfish.

39:47

I want you to Would you please take your

39:49

shirt off?

39:49

>> For what reason?

39:50

>> Because you have a beautiful body.

39:54

>> Okay.

39:54

>> And you work so hard at it. And no one

39:58

gets to see it. And you know, you want

40:01

people to see it, but you can't do it.

40:03

You can't go, "Well, I'm Joe Rogan. I

40:06

crafted this body." But if I ask you to,

40:10

you get to show it off.

40:12

>> I don't really want to show it off.

40:13

That's why I wear clothes.

40:14

>> You do though.

40:16

>> But I don't.

40:16

>> It's like if you did this podcast but

40:19

didn't put it out. What's the point?

40:22

>> I don't think that's the same thing.

40:25

>> I would love it if you showed your

40:26

beautiful body.

40:29

>> Okay. [clears throat]

40:30

>> I love it.

40:31

>> There you go.

40:32

>> Oh yeah, Joe.

40:34

Dude, can we stand? No, that's enough.

40:37

>> Dude, look at that.

40:39

>> I have muscles.

40:40

>> Can we talk about before you put the

40:41

shirt on? Can we talk about it?

40:43

>> What do you want to talk about?

40:44

>> How you do that?

40:45

>> I work out. You could do it, too.

40:47

>> Well,

40:47

>> do you work out?

40:48

>> Yeah.

40:49

>> How often?

40:51

>> Do you really want to get into this?

40:53

>> Sure.

40:56

>> You do?

40:56

>> Yeah. How often do you work out?

40:57

>> Because I'm about to crack an egg open

41:00

on your show that I don't think anyone's

41:01

ever talked about.

41:02

>> How often you work out?

41:04

>> A lot.

41:05

>> Yeah.

41:06

What are you doing these days?

41:07

>> Okay. You want to get into this?

41:10

>> Sure.

41:11

>> Here we go. Here we go. Joseph Zachary

41:14

Rogan.

41:16

>> I'm I don't want to get in trouble. But

41:20

I'm working out. By the way, beautiful

41:22

body. Your chest is stunning. See, I'm

41:25

glad

41:25

>> it doesn't even make me uncomfortable

41:26

that you say that. Like some men I would

41:28

be like, "This is odd."

41:29

>> No. No. I'm not a fly guy.

41:31

>> What does that mean?

41:32

>> Like homosexual. [laughter]

41:40

>> [laughter]

41:41

>> I'm straight as they come, but I believe

41:43

in holding up people's hard work. And

41:46

that didn't just come from sitting

41:47

around eating Pringles and BaskinRobins.

41:50

You worked your ass off. You deserve to

41:52

show it. And you never could cuz it's

41:54

you. And now I get to help celebrate

41:56

you. And all your fans got to see all

41:58

that hard work. And I love it, guy.

42:02

Okay. But I'm straight as a Chinese

42:04

truck driver.

42:05

>> Chinese truck drivers are never gay.

42:07

>> Never. Is

42:08

>> that part of the job?

42:10

>> Yeah.

42:11

>> There. Seriously though, how many dudes

42:12

are jerking off under the ocean?

42:14

>> How many guys are jerking off to you

42:16

just taking your shirt off?

42:17

>> A couple. But how many guys are jerking

42:20

off to me taking my shirt off while

42:21

they're under the ocean?

42:24

>> Let me check. If you got 14 subs, how

42:27

many people are on each sub? How many

42:29

men are on each sub?

42:31

It might not be known.

42:33

>> Let's take a guess.

42:34

>> They keep it very secret. If you had to

42:36

guess, how many people are on each sub?

42:41

>> I'm going to say [laughter]

42:44

no.

42:48

>> A thousand.

42:49

>> A lot more than that.

42:50

>> Really?

42:51

>> On the on the Trident. The Trident are

42:53

like floating cities. number it gave me

42:55

might be including all submarines,

42:58

including like every government, not

43:00

just ours.

43:01

>> Okay. But how many how many people are

43:05

on each submarine?

43:06

>> How many like could one of those

43:08

submarines hold?

43:09

>> A small one is 30 to 70. I'll show you a

43:12

large

43:12

>> a small one.

43:13

>> Yeah.

43:14

>> Large one is 120 to 140.

43:16

>> Wow.

43:17

>> That seems about it. Big 160 maybe max.

43:20

>> And there's 14 of them. So, there's at

43:21

least a thousand dudes underwater right

43:24

now.

43:24

>> It said there's 40 to 70,000.

43:26

[clears throat]

43:27

>> 40 to 70,000 guys under the water.

43:29

>> Yeah.

43:29

>> Yeah.

43:30

>> Wa.

43:30

>> So, don't worry about United States

43:32

taking a hit. My god,

43:34

>> this is crazy.

43:35

>> This wild.

43:36

>> That's a crazy statistic.

43:38

>> Are you glad I dropped by today?

43:40

>> I'm always glad when you drop by, but

43:41

this is crazy. 40 to 70,000 people are

43:44

underwater in submarines at any given

43:45

moment with huge uncertainty. Why? We

43:48

can only estimate. No navy or company

43:50

publishes a live count of how many

43:52

submarines are deployed right now or how

43:54

many crew are aboard each one and how

43:57

many deployments are classified.

43:59

Civilian research and tourism subs are

44:02

also not tracked in a global real-time

44:05

way.

44:06

>> Wow.

44:07

>> Wow.

44:08

>> That's crazy. So that could be a whole

44:11

new civilization. So if they blow up the

44:13

earth, but how many chicks?

44:15

>> Well, that's the thing. The ratio is

44:17

probably not good. The ratio is probably

44:18

non-existent. How many chicks are in

44:20

these subs?

44:22

>> That's classified.

44:23

>> Are they Do they have girls that serve

44:25

in these subs?

44:26

>> There's There's girl submariners.

44:28

>> What is the number? It's like 10 to one.

44:30

>> And worse, what do they look like? But I

44:33

bet they're the [ __ ] cream of the

44:34

crop underwater cuz this the pressure

44:37

squeezes in all the cellulite.

44:38

>> No. No. There's no other girls.

44:41

>> Oh, they're the Oh, yeah. You got You

44:42

get

44:43

>> No competition. Yeah. No competition.

44:46

Like how many ladies? Let's take a guess

44:48

of how many ladies are underwater at any

44:50

given time. 20.

44:51

>> Yeah.

44:52

>> 10%.

44:53

>> 10%.

44:54

>> Women are likely well under 10% of

44:56

submarines worldwide with higher

44:59

percentages in a few navies such as US

45:01

and some NATO allies. Those are the ones

45:03

that are in trouble.

45:04

>> There's 609 uh assigned to submarines in

45:08

the US.

45:09

>> Wow. 609 women get getting how many

45:12

dudes hitting on them?

45:13

>> Yeah.

45:15

It's That would must be hell. Be

45:17

underwater with a guy who's annoying you

45:19

and you can't get away from him.

45:20

>> Can't get away. He's farting. [sighs]

45:23

>> Underwater sex.

45:25

>> Underwater farts must be horrible.

45:27

>> But let's

45:28

>> What do they do with the [ __ ]

45:29

>> They don't come up sometimes for months.

45:32

>> Oh yeah. The trident go out for I think

45:34

a year almost.

45:36

>> And so what do they do with their [ __ ]

45:38

>> They just eject it. They eject it into

45:40

the sea.

45:41

>> They're not doing anything a whale isn't

45:43

doing. But do they eject it into the

45:45

sink?

45:45

>> They have to. I mean, they can't make

45:47

meatloaf.

45:47

>> Can you imagine if like during that

45:49

process somehow or another it got

45:51

clogged up cuz somebody used too much

45:53

toilet paper and the sub sinks?

45:55

>> Yeah. A fatty

45:56

>> cuz Javier just took a giant dump.

45:59

>> They might melt it.

46:01

>> Melt it.

46:02

>> They can rise up too. Don't forget they

46:04

can break

46:05

>> throw it into the nuclear pit where the

46:07

engines

46:07

>> can manage trash by compacting, melting,

46:10

or jettisoning it to avoid det.

46:13

>> Okay, that's trash. What about poop?

46:14

>> Well, I that's I said

46:16

>> did you ask about poop? Ask about poop

46:18

just specifically because waste could

46:20

mean, you know, paper cups.

46:21

>> It's the same thing though. I would

46:22

always go now if you were jettisoning

46:24

your poop everywhere, you might want to

46:26

have detectors for human waste in the

46:28

water and you might start figuring out

46:29

where the submarines are. So maybe you

46:31

don't want to do that. He's operating on

46:33

another level

46:35

in the 40s probably.

46:36

>> This is a dude that's into conspiracies.

46:39

>> Jamie,

46:39

>> he operates on other levels.

46:42

>> Tracking.

46:43

>> Do you know that term can neither

46:44

confirm nor deny came from a Russian

46:47

submarine that was sunk that we were

46:49

pulling out of the ocean and there was

46:51

and they had to they got questioned

46:54

about it and they said, "Are are we in

46:58

possession of this r Russian sub? Are we

47:00

pulling it out of the ground?" And they

47:02

said, "We can neither confirm nor deny."

47:04

Because they had to answer.

47:05

>> So that is an answer without an answer.

47:07

>> I can neither confirm nor deny.

47:10

>> That's akin to saying pleading the

47:12

fifth.

47:13

>> Sort of. But it's you actually are

47:15

answering. You can neither confirm nor

47:17

deny.

47:18

>> That's like saying I'm What do you do

47:19

for a living? I'm in heating and air

47:21

conditioning.

47:22

>> No, because that's a very specific

47:24

trade.

47:25

>> Well, they kind of counteract each

47:27

other. What do you do? I'm in shipping

47:30

and receiving. [laughter]

47:32

Are you sure? I can neither confirm nor

47:34

deny.

47:35

>> I see.

47:35

>> I mean, this is an avoidance uh problem

47:38

that But I want to talk to you about my

47:40

workout regime.

47:42

>> Okay.

47:42

>> Cuz you asked.

47:43

>> I did ask.

47:44

>> I'm doing something so advanced.

47:47

Uh you do the ice baths, right?

47:50

>> Mhm.

47:51

>> You you soak in them.

47:52

>> Yep.

47:54

So, I'm doing something so extensive

47:57

that I'm exercising myself into a new

48:02

race.

48:03

>> What are you becoming?

48:04

>> And no one's said this before on your

48:07

podcast, I don't think, but I'm working

48:10

out so hard to become a new race.

48:15

And two words,

48:18

Gara Ruffa. You take your ice baths,

48:23

garam, my guy.

48:26

>> What is that?

48:27

>> Jamie, look it up and do it quick, you

48:29

[ __ ]

48:31

I mean, do it quick. [laughter]

48:36

>> A garafa.

48:38

>> Look it up. You're becoming a fish.

48:41

>> Oh, that's not any fish. The garuffa

48:45

people submerse their legs and feet into

48:48

the tanks and the garuffa have vibrating

48:52

lips, Joe, and they eat skin cells.

48:55

Picture this. Underwater.

48:58

>> So those the ones like when you go into

49:00

Thailand and ladies dump their legs into

49:02

a fish pond,

49:03

>> right? Vibrating lips.

49:05

>> Clean your toes off,

49:07

>> Joe?

49:09

>> Mhm.

49:10

And how are you working out to become

49:12

one of those? So, while you're taking

49:14

your ice baths,

49:15

>> Yeah.

49:15

>> I'm submerging my whole body, my lower

49:20

>> extremities

49:22

into one of these tanks.

49:25

>> These fish are sculpting my body, my

49:30

lower extremities.

49:32

And have you ever heard of malaria

49:34

pills?

49:35

>> Yes.

49:35

>> So, while everyone else is popping ompic

49:38

and doing everything else, I've been on

49:40

malaria pills for four years.

49:42

And these things can flip your blood

49:45

platelets. Okay, that's the power of

49:48

malaria pills. They can actually change

49:51

your red blood cell count and your white

49:55

blood cell count. It's powerful

49:56

medicine.

49:57

>> Okay.

49:58

>> So, with the use of my malaria pills

50:02

and the garuffas

50:05

and I don't know if you want to see the

50:07

results, but my legs are hammerjacked

50:09

right now.

50:10

>> Let me see them. Let's see. My legs are

50:11

power. Take your pants off.

50:13

>> Okay. Come on.

50:14

>> Okay. Are you sure?

50:15

>> Yeah. Yeah.

50:16

>> And before I do it,

50:19

>> I'm I'm going into a new race and I

50:22

don't want anyone to accuse me of doing

50:23

black leg.

50:29

>> Notice he has baggy pants on.

50:31

>> I don't know if you've ever seen the

50:34

fastest man in the world is who?

50:36

>> Hussein Bolt.

50:37

>> Hussein Bolt. The biggest high jumper in

50:40

the world is a black man. The longest

50:45

long jumper is a black man. The f

50:47

highest vertical jumper is a black man.

50:51

And this isn't racist. This isn't black

50:53

leg. But this is me.

50:55

>> What are you doing?

50:56

>> Working out into a new race. And I'm

50:59

proud of this.

50:59

>> Pull your pants off.

51:02

[laughter]

51:04

>> I wouldn't be laughing if I were you.

51:06

These legs are jacked.

51:11

[laughter]

51:15

[screaming]

51:17

[gasps]

51:17

>> Look at these legs.

51:19

>> Why are they a different color?

51:21

>> Well, I told you I'm working out into

51:23

another race.

51:24

>> You have [ __ ] serious leg muscles,

51:26

man.

51:26

>> Yeah.

51:26

>> Where'd you get those leg muscles?

51:28

>> I told you.

51:29

>> What's going on with your underwear?

51:31

That's kind of crazy.

51:32

>> What do you mean?

51:34

>> My underwear are covering it. What kind?

51:36

What the the [ __ ] do you have on your

51:38

legs?

51:39

>> Dude, I told you I'm working out right

51:41

into another race.

51:43

>> Are those your real legs? That's very

51:45

impressive. You don't have like silicon

51:47

over them or anything? Those your actual

51:48

leg muscles, bro.

51:49

>> Wait a minute. Why is

51:50

>> giant leg muscles?

51:52

>> Why is it you can take your shirt off

51:54

and I don't I compliment you,

51:56

>> but it's like your legs don't m mass.

51:58

They don't m match up with the rest of

52:00

your

52:00

>> cuz the colors off.

52:01

>> No, the muscles are crazy. Stand up

52:03

again. Yeah,

52:04

>> those muscles are insane.

52:05

>> Yeah, look at these.

52:06

>> Are those real?

52:07

>> Well, what?

52:07

>> Tell me the truth. They look like

52:08

plastic.

52:09

>> What are you talking about?

52:10

>> It looks like you're wearing something.

52:12

>> J, come on,

52:13

>> Jamie. Those are the most insane legs

52:14

I've ever seen in my life. Right. Right.

52:16

>> If that was a guy weighing in at a UFC

52:18

fight, that would make sense. But

52:19

>> go viral.

52:21

>> Two words. Gara Ruffa.

52:25

>> Where'd you get those legs,

52:26

>> dude? I sink them.

52:27

>> So, if I sit in the tank, I'll get legs

52:29

like that.

52:30

>> Well, are you taking malaria pills?

52:33

Oh, no.

52:34

>> You do my combo.

52:36

>> Do you want to

52:37

>> stand up? Let me see the pants.

52:40

[laughter]

52:41

>> I mean,

52:44

>> and look at the skin difference.

52:46

[snorts]

52:46

>> Pull take your shirt off so I can see

52:48

where the skin changes color.

52:50

>> I Excuse me.

52:52

>> I want to see where the skin changes

52:53

color.

52:53

>> If you take your shirt off again, I

52:55

will.

52:55

>> But I just did.

52:56

>> But I want to do it together.

52:58

>> Okay, do it together.

53:04

>> [laughter]

53:06

>> You son of a [ __ ] You son of a [ __ ]

53:09

You Rogan. [laughter] What have you done

53:13

for? What? Where did you get those

53:16

[ __ ] pants? [laughter]

53:21

>> Broke. [laughter]

53:24

>> Don't fall in there. Don't go in there.

53:26

>> A gourd.

53:30

THE only thing I could fit in there was

53:32

a gourd. [laughter]

53:39

Oh my [snorts] god.

53:41

[laughter]

53:44

Oh,

53:46

[laughter]

53:48

Joe.

53:50

When I first saw your legs, I was like,

53:51

"What the [ __ ] is going on? How does he

53:53

have legs like that?"

53:54

>> I noticed earlier he's got some baggy

53:56

pants on. [laughter]

53:57

>> I know. Jes

54:00

weird.

54:00

>> Where the [ __ ] did she get those pants?

54:04

>> Dude, [snorts]

54:05

why can't I look good?

54:07

>> You look great.

54:08

>> God.

54:09

>> Like, you could wear those like to a

54:11

pool, like a public pool, and the ladies

54:13

would definitely be checking you out.

54:14

>> Yeah.

54:15

>> Like, look at his gourd.

54:19

>> Can I leave the gourd with Dimmitri? Can

54:21

we add to the collection?

54:23

>> I'm going to have people smell it. I'm

54:24

going to tell them, "Smell that." smell.

54:27

>> That was in Harlon Williams pants,

54:30

>> dude.

54:30

>> Not even in his pants. It was like

54:32

rubbing up against his [ __ ]

54:33

>> I'm going to leave that there for people

54:34

to smell.

54:35

>> Yeah.

54:36

>> Yeah. Next time someone comes in, what's

54:38

all this stuff here? Grab it first.

54:40

>> I'm like, smell that.

54:41

>> Can I pull my pants up?

54:42

>> You Yeah, sure.

54:44

>> Feels weird sitting here with my pants

54:45

down.

54:46

>> Well, you are wearing pants. You're

54:48

wearing rubber pants.

54:49

>> Well,

54:50

>> rubber muscle pants.

54:51

>> Come on.

54:52

>> Don't you want legs like that for real,

54:54

>> Joe? Wouldn't that be awesome?

54:57

>> That's like me saying, "Don't you want a

54:59

chest like that for real? You're hairier

55:01

than I thought."

55:02

>> Really?

55:02

>> Are you part Armenian?

55:05

[laughter]

55:07

>> Are you?

55:08

>> No.

55:09

>> No.

55:09

>> Great. [clears throat]

55:11

Hang on. I got to pull my pants up.

55:15

[laughter]

55:17

God

55:19

from behind. [laughter] Put the board

55:22

back in.

55:26

THERE WE GO. [laughter]

55:28

AH, STUCK.

55:32

Blur that. I don't know.

55:33

>> Do we have to blur it?

55:34

>> I don't know.

55:35

>> No, it's a gourd.

55:36

>> And you're worried about a song getting

55:38

dinged. [laughter]

55:44

>> Oh my god.

55:47

[laughter]

55:48

>> Silly [ __ ] Ch.

55:51

[snorts]

55:52

[laughter]

55:57

>> Oh my god.

56:00

>> Do you know how

56:00

>> I'm crying?

56:01

>> Do you know how moist my balls are right

56:04

now?

56:05

>> How bad that gourd must smell?

56:06

[laughter]

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But I am proud of you because [laughter]

57:22

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57:26

Oh my god.

57:27

>> I'm proud of you that you took your

57:29

shirt off cuz I'm not joking. You worked

57:31

so hard for that.

57:32

>> Thank you.

57:33

>> And you could never show it. You had to

57:36

have a conduit. You had to have someone

57:39

invite you to do it so it didn't look

57:41

self-centered or conceited. You deserve

57:44

to show that hard work to the world.

57:46

Thank you.

57:46

>> Good for you. And you look great.

57:48

>> Thank you very much.

57:49

>> You're welcome. I love it. And I hope

57:52

it's an inspiration to people watching

57:55

to want to be as physically fit and put

57:58

together. It's great. Right.

58:01

>> Sure.

58:02

>> I feel like remember when you were a

58:05

kid, they had those books where you

58:07

could take half a body and half a body

58:09

and remember their little kids books and

58:11

you'd fold them.

58:12

>> Yeah. You fold them over.

58:13

>> I feel like if we took your upper part

58:15

and put it on my lower part, we'd have

58:18

the immaculate human being. And then

58:20

those fart bubbles from the bottom of

58:22

the ocean won't have a trouble coming

58:24

around.

58:25

>> Yeah.

58:26

>> You look like me and Joe Zachary Rogan,

58:29

those fart bubbles from the areoli

58:32

drench will come up and suck us a dirty

58:35

lasagna.

58:39

Sorry, I get excited, Joe.

58:42

>> Maybe it's the like forever chemicals

58:43

leaking through the rubber underwear

58:45

you're wearing. [laughter]

58:47

>> They're not underwear. How dare you?

58:49

Those are my legs.

58:50

>> You should take them off cuz you're

58:51

sweating that's leeching into your blood

58:53

right now. All the BPAs.

58:55

>> God, I don't want to die. But you know

58:58

what's interesting? My legs are bronze.

59:03

>> And we don't talk about the bronze

59:05

people. We always talk about white and

59:07

black,

59:08

>> but

59:08

>> what about the bronzies,

59:10

>> the Incas, the Mayas?

59:12

>> I mean, these people and the legs on

59:14

them. Did you ever see Apocalyptto? And

59:17

I don't know if this is in any history

59:18

books anywhere, but those bronzies could

59:21

motor.

59:22

>> Yeah, true.

59:24

>> So, I've got legs where if I'm being

59:28

chased, if a rapist is coming after me,

59:32

I'm out of here. There's three men in

59:34

this room. Two of you are getting raped.

59:36

Not me.

59:37

>> Wow.

59:38

>> Yeah.

59:39

I mean, these legs, I could jump over uh

59:42

Dolly Parton's gazebo.

59:46

>> By the way, speaking of Areola, have you

59:48

seen hers?

59:49

>> I haven't.

59:50

>> They're the size of lily pads. I had I

59:52

had a one nighter with her about three

59:54

weeks ago. She's

59:55

>> a one night show.

59:56

>> A one night stand. We were jackhammering

59:59

all night. Picked her up at a bar in

60:01

Malibu. Hammer jack.

60:02

>> I don't think it was really Dolly

60:03

Parton. It was It was She goes out.

60:05

>> Oh, she was that night.

60:06

>> You sure it wasn't a lady wearing a

60:08

mask,

60:08

>> dude? It was her. And her areas are the

60:11

size of lily pads. I'm not kidding. I

60:13

woke up in the morning, there were two

60:14

bullfrogs sitting on her tits.

60:20

>> Why you looking at me like that?

60:22

>> She's kind of old to be [ __ ]

60:25

>> Not for me. Have you seen my legs?

60:27

>> Also, she's a very respected lady. I

60:29

think it's very rude. 80.

60:32

It's the way I said effing. We We made

60:35

love.

60:35

>> Oh, okay. I feel better.

60:37

>> We made love and her areas are the size

60:39

of lily pads.

60:40

>> I feel a lot better now. Thanks.

60:41

>> Yeah. Sorry. I didn't mean to.

60:42

>> Yeah.

60:43

>> I should keep it classy.

60:44

>> Do you like them big? The big areas.

60:46

>> I like a big areola. Reminds me of a

60:48

pancake.

60:49

>> Yeah.

60:50

>> Like sometimes I'll put a dollop of

60:51

butter on it.

60:52

>> It's a robust woman. Like it's a lot

60:55

going on there. As big areas.

60:58

>> And the dark ones. And they're great to

61:00

take with you camping. If you ever have

61:02

a rubber raft and you get a hole in it,

61:04

you can rip one off and patch it.

61:07

>> Oh Jesus.

61:08

>> Yeah,

61:09

>> that's not what I was thinking.

61:10

>> Well, you don't camp much.

61:12

>> Just bring a patch.

61:13

>> Yeah, but if you don't have one, you can

61:15

rip off a dirty areoli

61:17

>> that you're hoping you're going to get

61:18

out of the woods.

61:20

>> Well, if you can't and you're with a

61:21

chick, you got an areoli.

61:23

>> Lose your areola forever just because

61:25

you forgot to bring a patch.

61:26

>> Yeah, but it's What do you want? one

61:29

you're one areoli less so you have your

61:31

life back

61:32

>> plus if she's 80 they don't those don't

61:33

heal that good she could die from

61:35

infection

61:36

>> it's about living it's not about

61:39

>> having an areoli

61:41

you want to get out of the woods or not

61:43

uh one titty Jackson or whatever her

61:46

name is

61:47

>> okay tough love

61:48

>> speaking of sex have you been on this

61:50

only fans thing

61:52

>> have you gone on

61:53

>> no I don't go

61:54

>> it's all I'm hearing about you right all

61:56

you hear about now is only fans

61:58

fans.com.

61:59

>> Yep. They do comedy shows.

62:01

>> I finally go on this thing cuz it's all

62:03

I'm hearing about. Onlyfans.com. I go on

62:06

about a week ago and I'm on there for

62:09

about two hours and it's just video

62:12

after video after picture and I'm on

62:14

there so long my eyes are like

62:16

>> right

62:16

>> spinning. And finally I stop the damn

62:20

thing and I'm like screw this. I already

62:22

have central air conditioning. Why the

62:24

hell am I looking at this site? I don't

62:26

need a fan.

62:28

I mean, good lord.

62:33

[clears throat]

62:40

I'll pull my legs out. I will pull my

62:43

dirty bronze legs out and wrap them

62:46

around your neck like a dirty anaconda.

62:48

>> What the [ __ ] is wrong with you? Do you

62:50

think if you're a woman you'd be doing

62:52

Only Fans?

62:54

>> You know, it's an interesting question.

62:56

It's a moral moral dilemma, isn't it?

62:59

>> Let's imagine if Haron was a female and

63:01

Haron was 21 and just got here from

63:03

Canada

63:04

>> with these legs

63:05

>> with those legs and not a lot of

63:07

>> not a lot of ways to make a living, but

63:09

you're cute.

63:09

>> Desperate times call for desperate

63:12

matters, Joe Rogan.

63:14

>> You know, it's it's a de it's a serious

63:16

question and it's almost a sad one in

63:18

today's world. It is

63:20

>> because in the old days you had your sex

63:23

industry sort of confined to the

63:25

shadows.

63:26

>> Mhm.

63:27

>> And now anyone's daughter, cousin,

63:30

niece, nephew that they they can

63:32

suddenly be exposed to the world in the

63:34

most promiscuous way but in the most

63:37

profitable way.

63:38

>> That's the problem is also you get

63:39

addicted to the money. Let's imagine

63:42

>> let's imagine you're a lady

63:44

>> and um you have a site and you know you

63:47

show your feet and stick things inside

63:48

your butt or whatever you do and you're

63:51

making what was that last part?

63:53

>> Stick stuff inside your butt

63:54

>> if you're a lady.

63:55

>> Yeah.

63:56

>> Like what?

63:57

>> Some ladies they put uh like dildos in

63:59

there and stuff.

64:01

>> Okay. Have you ever seen that?

64:02

>> No, but I'm just assuming it happens.

64:04

Doesn't that happen, Jamie?

64:05

>> Sure.

64:06

>> Sure.

64:06

>> You've never seen a lady do that? I'm

64:09

pure as a driven snow, sir.

64:11

Joe,

64:13

>> not in real life.

64:15

>> You haven't?

64:16

>> No. Stick a rubber dick inside their

64:18

butthole. I don't want to be there for

64:20

that.

64:21

>> No.

64:21

>> Why not?

64:22

>> I'm I'm not interested.

64:23

>> You ever been through a car wash?

64:25

>> I have.

64:26

>> What's the difference?

64:28

>> It's a big difference. One of them is

64:29

your butt where you [ __ ] out of and

64:30

you're putting a rubber dick inside of

64:32

the other one is you're getting your car

64:33

washed.

64:33

>> You make a good point. [laughter]

64:36

Point is, my if you were making

64:39

>> Yeah.

64:39

>> If you're doing all this and you

64:40

developed a nice fan base and you're

64:42

making a h 100,000 a month, 300,000 a

64:45

month.

64:45

>> Yeah.

64:46

>> And then you don't feel good about

64:47

yourself and what do you do? Do you just

64:49

save up the money and quit? How if you

64:52

meet a nice guy and and he's like, "So,

64:55

what do you do for a living?" You're

64:56

like,

64:57

>> "Well, let me tell you. [snorts] I don't

64:58

want to do it anymore,

65:00

>> but I take rubber dicks and I oil my

65:02

butthole up and I shove them in there. a

65:05

you know HD camera

65:08

>> few inches from my butthole

65:09

>> the guy send me tips.

65:11

>> I think the subtext here Joe is what is

65:14

the price you put on your dignity

65:18

>> right?

65:18

>> What is the price you put on your

65:22

spirit? Because this stuff it may seem

65:26

fun in the moment but you get down the

65:29

road and it follows you. You know, we

65:33

looked it up and it's something crazy

65:34

like 10% of girls aged 18 to 24 in the

65:38

United States are on Only Fans. H

65:42

>> this is a this is a tough question and

65:44

you can tell me to shut up if you want.

65:46

>> Okay.

65:47

>> You have a daughter, don't you?

65:48

>> I have three daughters.

65:49

>> You have three daughters. I have four

65:51

sisters.

65:52

>> If one of your daughters told you she

65:55

was doing Only Fans, what would your

65:57

reaction be?

65:58

>> I think I made a a big failure as a

66:00

parent. But how would you approach it

66:02

with said daughter?

66:04

>> Well, you would give them advice. First

66:06

of all, your daughter or your son or any

66:09

is a human being. You don't own them,

66:11

right?

66:11

>> Good point. So, you're supposed point,

66:13

but good point.

66:14

>> If you treat them like you own them and

66:16

they have to listen to you, they'll

66:18

never listen to you and they're going to

66:19

rebel. This is just human nature.

66:21

>> Excellent point. I'm with you so far.

66:23

You have to give them advice and you

66:24

have to talk to them and talk to them

66:26

about the repercussions of what they're

66:27

doing and realize that this stuff will

66:30

follow you. And some people are going to

66:31

be fine with that. Look, there's some

66:33

ladies that are like, "Look, I don't

66:34

ever want a [ __ ] regular job. I'm not

66:36

I'm ashamed of my body." And maybe

66:39

they're not sticking things up their

66:40

butt. Maybe they're just being naked and

66:42

they're like, "This is way better than

66:43

having a job." Fine. What does it say

66:45

here?

66:47

Top 1% top earners make about $18,000 to

66:50

$49,000 per year. Whoa. That's it.

66:53

>> That's not much. [clears throat] I could

66:54

work at Denny's for that.

66:56

>> What? So, the top 0.1%

66:59

make a h 100,000 per month or 1.2

67:02

million annual. That's the top 0.1, but

67:05

the top 1% only make $18,000 to 49,000 a

67:09

year. So, you imagine you're making

67:11

$18,000 or $49,000 a year. You're still

67:14

living in poverty.

67:15

>> Oh, yeah.

67:16

>> If you're making $18,000 a year, you're

67:17

poor and you are showing your [ __ ] and

67:20

no one's paying for it. Yeah.

67:22

>> Wait a minute. But Joe, I know that you

67:26

>> look at that.

67:27

>> You have a bit of a rage side. Like Joe

67:29

[clears throat] knows how to rage.

67:30

Because you're a fighter. You know how

67:32

to go into that red zone. You're an you

67:34

can be an intimidating force. Is there a

67:37

world where your daughter says, "Daddy,

67:39

I'm doing this." And Joe just goes,

67:41

"You're [ __ ] not." Like is do you go

67:44

into the red zone or just

67:45

>> It's not going to If you do that with

67:47

your kids, they're not going to listen

67:48

to you. But what if you did it just

67:49

because of the reaction where you were

67:51

so mad or disappointed in

67:53

>> I would only be that mad if someone was

67:55

doing something terrible to them.

67:56

>> Okay.

67:57

>> Or you know,

67:58

>> you're a good dad.

67:59

>> Well, you have to be

68:00

>> I like I like what I'm hearing here.

68:02

>> You have to you have to be a human. You

68:04

know, you're the parent, but you also

68:06

you got to understand human nature. I

68:09

know people that yell at their kids or

68:10

and I know kids that have been yelled at

68:12

and they always resent that. They they

68:14

they're always angry. It's a it's a

68:16

stupid way to handle things. Something

68:18

happened here just now that I

68:19

[clears throat] was not expecting today.

68:21

>> What's that?

68:22

>> I got to see a side of you that I didn't

68:27

know if it was there or not cuz I don't

68:28

know your family life, but I got to feel

68:31

for a second dad vibes, dad love. And I

68:34

think

68:35

>> I sort of pictured you sitting with your

68:37

daughter and being very reasonable and

68:39

loving.

68:40

>> Well, hopefully I never have to have

68:42

that conversation.

68:42

>> I hope so, too. But I I I see you as an

68:45

understanding, nurturing dad in that

68:47

moment. I love that.

68:48

>> I try to be.

68:49

>> Yeah, that's the goal. I mean, if you

68:51

want to have a relationship with your

68:53

kids, and you know, my daughters are

68:55

teenagers now, too. And we've never gone

68:57

through a period where you always hear

69:00

these periods where the kids rebel

69:01

against you and they hate you when

69:02

you're teenagers. That's never happened.

69:04

And I think it's probably never happened

69:06

because

69:07

>> we always just communicate. And I try to

69:09

be as reasonable,

69:12

open-minded as possible, but also very,

69:14

you got to be very supportive, too. I

69:16

mean, it's hard to be a kid, man. It's

69:18

even harder to be a kid today than ever

69:19

before because of social media and all

69:21

the pressures that they face. And

69:23

>> and then also this weird world that

69:25

they're entering into where AI might be

69:26

taking all the jobs. So, they're like,

69:28

"What the [ __ ] am I going to do? What am

69:30

I going to do with my life?"

69:32

>> I love AI.

69:33

>> Do you? You're all in?

69:34

>> I'm all in. I love it.

69:35

>> What's your favorite part about it?

69:37

>> I love it. Joe, because it's it's

69:39

opening a door to

69:42

creativity for everybody. Now, a lot of

69:46

people are being pessimistic and saying

69:48

it's taking away our creativity, but

69:51

think about any art gallery you've ever

69:53

been to. You go in, you see the Renoir,

69:56

the Dega, the Deli, all the all the

69:59

usual suspects, Van Go, Goya, all of

70:02

them. Right.

70:03

>> Right. Those have all been placed there

70:05

over the centuries

70:07

as the art that we all know and have

70:10

adopted.

70:11

And that came from a select group of

70:13

individuals very talented

70:16

um contributed to our culture and art

70:19

history. But it's a pool of about maybe

70:22

200 artists through the course of

70:25

history. Right

70:26

>> now, think about a guy you bumped into

70:29

working in the sprinkler aisle at Home

70:31

Depot 3 weeks ago who's got a wife and

70:36

kids and maybe doesn't have the

70:38

opportunity or the wherewithal to tap

70:40

into his artistry.

70:42

But now that guy and the guy at Dunkin

70:45

Donuts and the girl that works at the

70:46

car wash and every human being now has a

70:50

way to express their hidden talents.

70:54

And so with AI, they can go home at the

70:56

end of the night and press a few buttons

70:58

and go, I imagined this thing and AI is

71:00

letting me get it out and the world gets

71:03

to see it. Same with medicine. Same with

71:05

inventions. How many Elon Musks are

71:08

there that grew up in poverty and never

71:11

got the chance to expand on a concept or

71:14

an idea because they didn't have the

71:15

means? But if AI starts to open these

71:18

doors for every human being, think of

71:21

the barrage of incredible visual and

71:24

conceptual designs that are going to

71:26

come at us. And a lot of them will

71:28

probably be practical and actually work.

71:31

And the common man and woman didn't have

71:34

access to that before.

71:35

>> That's one way of looking at it. That's

71:37

positive.

71:38

>> I love it.

71:38

>> That's true. example in my own life. I

71:42

come from the animation world and I like

71:44

to write

71:46

and a few years back I pitched an

71:48

animation idea around Hollywood and it

71:50

got rejected

71:52

and so now me and a few of my friends in

71:55

the dawn of AI are creating the same

71:58

thing that got rejected and we're going

71:59

to put it out into the world. We

72:01

couldn't have done it two three years

72:02

ago. It would have cost us $3 million.

72:05

Now we're doing it for a few thousand

72:07

>> and it looks like a Pixar movie. It

72:10

looks like Pixar. So

72:12

>> if you tell me that AI isn't opening a

72:15

whole new world, I it's not true. It is.

72:18

It's letting all of us dig really deep

72:21

and expose our gifts and our talents.

72:23

And yeah, there's always the downside,

72:25

but let's try and look at the good side

72:27

of it, too.

72:29

>> I like what you're saying.

72:30

>> Thank you, Joe. Um the the downside is

72:33

the people that don't want to be

72:35

creative and they want to be accountants

72:37

or they want to be lawyers or they want

72:38

to like those jobs are going to

72:41

>> stop. How about that accountants an

72:43

accountant because he can never tap into

72:45

the artistry that hides within them or

72:47

the lawyer. But now after hitting the

72:51

machines all day, he can go home and go,

72:53

you know what? I never could have done

72:54

this before, but I'm going to create an

72:56

image, a painting, a drawing in 10

72:59

minutes that I've always wanted to show

73:01

the world. So that's what I'm saying.

73:03

Even those pessimists can now throw off

73:06

the demons on their back that are

73:08

inhibiting them and it's going to allow

73:10

all of us to be so much more expressive.

73:13

>> Okay,

73:14

>> that's my take.

73:15

>> Well, hopefully. I mean, that's the

73:18

question like, what do people do if

73:19

there's no more jobs and you just get

73:20

money from the government because AI

73:22

creates so so many so much abundant

73:24

resource that no one has to work

73:25

anymore? Are you going to find things to

73:27

do that are interesting? And maybe AI is

73:30

going to help you do that.

73:32

>> I'll tell you this, Joe, in probably

73:36

seven or eight years, I bet we're

73:38

sitting here, me and you, going,

73:40

"Remember AI?"

73:43

Because we're humans, man. We don't

73:44

stop. People think AI is going to be the

73:47

end of the line. It's just another

73:49

stepping stone to our progression to

73:52

where we're meant to go. You believe in

73:54

higher forces. I know that.

73:56

>> So, this is just one of the step.

73:57

Remember when people thought, I'm not

73:59

getting a cell phone. I'm not getting on

74:01

the internet. I don't want a fax

74:03

machine. But we just keep going. We're

74:05

humans. We keep going up those stairs.

74:08

We're adventurers. We're curious. We

74:10

never stop. And so AI is just another

74:13

small thing. As big as it seems now, as

74:16

robust as it seems, it's just a small

74:19

step in the giant ladder that's leading

74:22

this weird species that we are to a a

74:25

bigger, higher, distant place.

74:28

H look at you, dude. You should do a

74:31

seminar.

74:31

>> I should show my legs again.

74:33

>> You should tell everybody all these

74:35

thoughts you have.

74:36

>> Well, I'm telling right now. We're

74:38

sharing them.

74:39

>> Yeah. But don't you think all these

74:41

things we come up with are leading to

74:43

something where we're meant to go? Yes.

74:47

I don't think we're all just here

74:48

randomly in wars and fighting and this.

74:50

I think it's all we're the worker ants

74:53

right now. And we're the platform for

74:57

the future worker ants to get to the

74:59

pinnacle that we don't even know what it

75:01

is yet. And maybe there is no pinnacle.

75:03

But whatever force created us, Joe, they

75:06

want us to keep going. That's why we

75:08

search the oceans and the space and the

75:10

moon and the planets. We're going to

75:12

keep going.

75:13

>> Yep.

75:14

>> And AI is a tool for us to get there.

75:16

So, you can be pessimistic. You can be

75:19

like, "Oh, AI and all." But why don't

75:21

you just spend your time looking at the

75:24

positive side of things?

75:26

>> I agree with you about the direction

75:27

that we're going. I think that's what

75:29

we're meant to do. Yeah.

75:30

>> Yeah.

75:32

I just think that we are in a time of

75:36

insane change and that makes people

75:37

scared.

75:38

>> It does. Yeah.

75:39

>> But you know being scared almost ma also

75:42

makes us feel alive.

75:45

>> Think about the most vibrant moments in

75:48

your life.

75:49

>> How about after 9/11? Remember those

75:50

days?

75:50

>> Oh yeah. People People It's like someone

75:53

kicked the ant nest open and we were all

75:55

scurrying around looking for the eggs.

75:57

The ants always preserve the eggs.

75:59

>> Yeah. But those eggs were our lives and

76:02

our neighbors. We were talking and

76:03

communicating.

76:04

>> We're friendly with each other.

76:05

>> That's right.

76:06

>> We realized the importance of of a

76:08

communal existence.

76:10

>> We realized the importance of needing

76:12

each other.

76:13

>> Yeah. People get very complacent and

76:15

they need to be shook up every now and

76:16

then. It's very good for you.

76:18

>> And maybe AI, if there's one downside to

76:20

it, it could maybe create a bigger

76:22

cocoon for us because we'll have so much

76:24

at our fingertips. It may isolate us

76:27

even more.

76:29

But but we have to look beyond all these

76:31

weird parameters we set and go what

76:34

what's the upside? What's it doing for

76:36

us?

76:37

>> Well, it's inevitable and it's going to

76:38

happen no matter what. And I think

76:40

people always figure out a way to be

76:41

okay.

76:42

>> Yeah.

76:42

>> And I think that's going to happen and

76:44

there's going to be a time of great

76:46

upheaval and it's going to change a lot.

76:48

But hopefully people will be all right

76:50

and they're going to have to adapt and

76:51

learn and grow

76:53

>> and we always have.

76:54

>> And we always have.

76:55

>> And we always will. And most likely

76:57

it'll be better for everybody overall.

76:59

This idea that Elon keeps pushing is

77:02

universal high income. Is that people

77:05

will have plenty of money, abundant

77:07

resources, and there's not going to be a

77:09

problem of food, shelter, medical,

77:12

education. All that stuff's going to go

77:13

away because of AI. And the real problem

77:16

be what do you decide to do with your

77:18

life? What do you decide to do with your

77:19

time?

77:20

>> Right?

77:20

>> But you'll have the freedom to do

77:21

whatever you want with your time. Just

77:23

think about how little crime there's

77:24

going to be if there's abundant

77:25

resources and no one has to steal

77:27

anymore. No more stealing, no more

77:30

robbing, and no more poverty. Literally,

77:33

no more poverty. I don't know if that's

77:35

possible or if it is in 50 years or 100

77:38

years, but no more poverty is wild. No

77:41

more poverty is a reality. Criminality,

77:44

I think you have to remember there's

77:46

people who don't engage in criminality

77:50

to make money. They engage in

77:52

criminality as a passion. A lot of

77:55

criminals like the process. They like

77:57

the game playing. They like the herd and

77:59

the and the chess moves. They they like

78:02

winning. They like deceiving,

78:04

>> right? They like drug dealing, right?

78:06

>> Making a big deal and a submarine shows

78:08

up in San Diego and you pull the [ __ ]

78:10

coke bags out. Throw them in the back of

78:12

a Mercedes. Yeah, you listen to the

78:14

Miami Vice team. Yeah.

78:16

>> Or there's there's even the the ad

78:18

adversarial component where they like

78:20

the idea of killing their competition.

78:23

>> Yeah. It's a war.

78:24

>> So, I don't think we'll ever transcend,

78:28

you know, the criminal element of it.

78:30

>> We could

78:31

>> we could if we you never know, though.

78:33

>> If AI develops to the point where we

78:35

have literal telepathy and we could read

78:37

each other's minds, you won't be able to

78:38

plot any kind of crimes like that

78:40

anymore. Or, and this is because I think

78:44

it never ends. Does AI design something

78:48

to help us plot? [sighs]

78:50

>> You know what I mean?

78:52

>> Maybe it just if you're a criminal, it

78:53

just puts you in a simulation where

78:55

you're allowed to do like Grand Theft

78:56

Auto, but in real life.

78:57

>> Yeah.

78:58

>> You know, you just lock in and all of a

79:00

sudden you're in the streets of Chicago

79:02

and you're running down the street with

79:03

a gun. You shoot a guy and take his

79:05

Mercedes and

79:06

>> and he's just having a good time. But

79:08

then you come right back to real life

79:10

and it's fine. Everything's fine.

79:12

>> Yeah. It's it's this is what I like that

79:15

it's it's so endless and it it's going

79:17

to take so many twists and turns.

79:19

>> Well, then there's a question is has

79:21

that already happened. Are we in a

79:22

simulation right now?

79:23

>> Oh yeah. I think we talked about this

79:25

last time.

79:26

>> A lot of people think we are.

79:27

>> I don't believe smarter than me.

79:29

>> But can I take you back a second?

79:32

>> Take me back to the old days.

79:34

>> Exactly. Picture Pioneer Village. Betty

79:38

O' Conor churning some butter down by

79:40

the blacksmith shop.

79:43

Kyle McGiven shaving timbers to build a

79:46

log cabin.

79:48

>> Amish.

79:48

>> Do you think that those people who were

79:50

in covered wagons and were us just the

79:54

old version of us? Do you think they

79:56

ever pulled the covered wagon to the

79:58

side of the trail and went, "Hey,

80:01

Jediah, do you think we're in a

80:02

simulation?"

80:05

Like I think we've created this

80:07

simulation talk because we do have all

80:10

this computer and you know we're in this

80:13

world now that that's full of

80:15

contraptions.

80:16

>> Okay, let me ask you.

80:17

>> But I don't think we're we're we're in a

80:19

simulation. But I go ahead.

80:20

>> Are you sure the pioneer days even

80:24

happened?

80:24

>> Wow, you got me. You son of a [ __ ] I'm

80:27

walking off the show. I'm walking off

80:29

the show. [laughter] [ __ ] you.

80:30

>> And this isn't a simulation.

80:32

>> Big rubber legs. Get the [ __ ] out of

80:33

here.

80:34

>> [laughter]

80:39

>> the only guy to walk off your show with

80:41

fake legs. [laughter]

80:44

>> I mean, if you think about it, we think

80:46

that the pioneer days happen. We can go

80:48

to the museum and we could see pioneer

80:50

day wheels. And

80:52

>> what about the butter churning, Joe? The

80:54

sweet butter churn.

80:55

>> There's a bunch of people that studied

80:56

it in universities allegedly. If they're

80:59

real people, I don't even know if

81:00

they're real. I don't even know if

81:01

you're real. Why would you have rubber

81:03

legs? This doesn't make sense. You

81:05

showed up here with rubber pants and a

81:08

gourd over your [ __ ] That doesn't make

81:10

any sense. Do that.

81:12

>> I don't even think I'm real anymore.

81:13

>> You might not be.

81:14

>> Good point.

81:16

>> For real. For real.

81:17

>> I I think we're real. I I think it's not

81:20

a simulation. I don't know h how how do

81:22

you make a simulation? Like how what?

81:24

We're just We're all like pixels right

81:26

now and like there's too much

81:28

>> Do you know the uh DMT laser thing? What

81:32

do you mean that like the

81:33

>> So when people smoke DMT, apparently if

81:36

you use like a DeWalt construction

81:38

laser, you know those lasers they use to

81:40

make sure things are level.

81:41

>> Yeah. Yeah.

81:42

>> If you get above that laser and look

81:45

down on it, you see code in the laser in

81:48

the laser

81:49

>> like matrix code like the numbers

81:51

>> code. It's like and people see the same

81:53

code.

81:54

>> They they describe it exactly the same.

81:56

>> Okay. And so people see it. If you look

81:58

to the side, you look underneath it, you

82:00

look, you see the code in the laser. And

82:03

people think that this laser is exposing

82:05

the code of the simulation that we live

82:07

in. This is supposedly what it looks

82:09

like.

82:10

>> I [clears throat] mean, I just am not

82:12

there.

82:13

>> You see symbols and like weird number. I

82:16

haven't done it.

82:17

>> If I see the whole drum set, I'm in. But

82:19

if it's just the symbols, forget it.

82:21

>> I haven't done it, but I know a lot of

82:23

people who have done it. And everyone

82:25

that I know that's done it has said the

82:27

same thing. They said it is [ __ ]

82:29

insane.

82:30

>> DMT.

82:31

>> No. Yeah. But DMT with this laser thing.

82:33

So when you look down the laser,

82:35

everybody that I know that's done it say

82:37

it blew their [ __ ] mind. You see all

82:40

these weird symbols. They look like

82:42

hieroglyphs or some foreign language or

82:44

numbers. And it's very bizarre.

82:48

>> I don't know. It it just seems to me why

82:51

run us through the drama of a life, a

82:53

human life where we're born, we endure

82:56

pain, illness, suffering, love, hate,

82:59

all the emotions just to be as a

83:02

simulation.

83:04

I don't I don't get the reason for that.

83:06

>> Why? What's the reason for it if it's

83:07

not a simulation?

83:09

>> It's organic. It's just organic life.

83:12

>> But okay, what is organic?

83:14

>> It's made of the earth, born of the

83:16

environment,

83:17

>> right? But isn't that like this entire

83:19

computing process where single-sellled

83:20

organisms figured out how to become

83:22

multi-elled organisms figured out how to

83:24

interact with their environment, figured

83:26

out the ecosystem, figured out how to

83:28

balance itself off with both predator

83:29

and prey and food and water and

83:31

resources,

83:32

>> right? But it's so very intricate and

83:35

delicate. You have to bring into the

83:38

question, was it was it organic or

83:41

organic under the guise of a bigger

83:43

creator? Well, maybe the bigger creator

83:46

is the simulation itself.

83:48

>> Damn it, Rogan. You know, I'm

83:50

>> the problem maybe the problem. I'm out.

83:53

Take them rubber legs and get the [ __ ]

83:54

out of here. Maybe the the problem is

83:57

calling it a simulation.

83:59

>> I like that.

83:59

>> Maybe it's not that it's not real. Yeah.

84:02

>> But that there is an underlying program

84:04

that's running.

84:05

>> Maybe instead of thinking of simulation

84:07

because you think of it as a simulation,

84:08

you think of it as not real. like my

84:11

when I slap my arm, it hurts a little.

84:13

Like that's real, right? If I knock my

84:16

knee, that hurts.

84:17

>> But it's not that it's not real, but

84:20

that you're it's running a program. And

84:22

this program, what we talked about

84:24

earlier when you're saying that people

84:26

are moving towards something bigger and

84:28

a new version of what we are. Maybe

84:30

that's a part of the program. Maybe the

84:32

program is that all of these different

84:34

components have to work together. This

84:36

is why we'll never get rid of evil. You

84:39

need evil. so that you appreciate good.

84:41

You want rainy days so you appreciate

84:42

the sunshine. You want like good times

84:46

and bad time. You have to have a little

84:47

bit of bad times so you appreciate the

84:49

good times. You have to have some days

84:50

where you feel like [ __ ] so that you

84:52

appreciate good days. You have to have

84:53

bad friends so you appreciate really

84:55

good friends. Okay, all that stuff

84:57

balances itself out and it's moving

84:59

towards something. And what is it moving

85:00

towards? The thing that we're involved

85:02

in right now, AI. It's moving towards

85:05

the creation of a new life form that's

85:09

far more intelligent than we are

85:11

>> and it's probably a part of this whole

85:13

process.

85:14

>> Okay, valid. I like what you just said.

85:17

>> But I'm going to expand on it a little.

85:19

>> Push through.

85:20

You're coming at it from a human

85:22

perspective where you're channeling it

85:24

through, you know, a human mind which is

85:27

beautiful and endless and we can think

85:30

beyond, you know, the scope of who knows

85:32

where our imaginations end.

85:34

>> Uhhuh.

85:35

>> But that's cuz we're humans and we have

85:37

the capacity. But to the schools of

85:39

salmon spawning up the river and the the

85:42

moose fighting with a grizzly bear right

85:44

now and the the the ants running around

85:47

in their nest. Do you think why would

85:50

they be part of a simulation? And and I

85:52

don't think any other living entity

85:54

thinks simulation.

85:55

>> I don't think you have to say

85:56

simulation. I think it's a program and I

85:58

think all those other different

86:00

creatures are a part of the ecosystem.

86:02

Like you need the bears, you need the

86:04

salmon, you need the deer, you need the

86:06

vegetation, you need the animals that

86:09

that run through the the grasses and

86:11

[ __ ] on them and make manure. All that

86:13

stuff feeds off and we exist in that

86:15

thing and we're moving in this direction

86:18

of technological

86:20

innovation and moving towards this new

86:23

future that's happening right in front

86:25

of our eyes right now.

86:26

>> But there's so many processes in what

86:28

you just said.

86:30

Why have them all? Why not just plop us

86:32

down as humans? No.

86:34

>> And we don't need trees and grass. We

86:37

just live in kind of a vacuous vap

86:40

airspace and we still do our jobs, but

86:43

we don't Why do we need all the why do

86:45

we need mosquitoes and and slugs and

86:48

fungus? Like I know why we need them

86:50

biologically to make everything

86:51

symbiotic, but if it's just a

86:54

>> You just said it.

86:54

>> If it's just a thing, if it's if it's

86:57

not real, why do we need

86:58

>> You keep saying that and I'm not saying

86:59

that. It's not not that it's not real.

87:01

It's a program. We're running a program.

87:03

It's clearly real.

87:06

What is real? What real is you

87:07

experience it as real consequences for

87:09

your actions. You feel things. You touch

87:11

things. You eat. You sleep. You need You

87:14

have resources. That's It's all real.

87:16

>> You're asking a guy with fake legs.

87:18

What's real?

87:19

>> You have a fake tattoo, too. Too.

87:22

>> Oh, Billy.

87:24

[laughter]

87:26

>> I mean, it's like

87:27

>> No, I like this. I like I don't know if

87:30

it's fake, but what I'm saying is it

87:32

might be a program that runs that makes

87:36

people and those people eventually make

87:38

AI and that might be the whole purpose

87:40

of the program. We might be in the

87:42

middle of it.

87:43

>> We're in the middle of it. We were born

87:45

at a time, you and I were both born at a

87:46

time where none of this existed. We got

87:48

to experience life without any of it.

87:51

Remember when answering machines first

87:52

came around?

87:53

>> Yeah.

87:53

>> Crazy.

87:54

>> Yeah. You someone could leave a message

87:56

for and then the crazy one was answering

87:58

machines. So you could call your

88:00

answering machine and get a message

88:02

>> from another phone. You press in your

88:04

code

88:05

>> and it was like 12 numbers.

88:07

>> Yeah.

88:08

>> And you memorize them cuz we got

88:10

addicted to it.

88:11

>> And then you could listen to your

88:12

messages.

88:13

>> Yeah.

88:14

>> And you could even press pound and star

88:16

to skip over.

88:18

>> Yeah. I remember those days. you have

88:21

five messages like, "Oh, somebody likes

88:23

me."

88:24

>> I remember I'd go do a gig and the

88:26

second I'd get off a plane, and a lot of

88:29

your viewers won't know what this is,

88:30

I'd run directly to the pay phone in the

88:33

airport and I'd hear my messages

88:36

instantly.

88:36

>> Yeah, that was technology back then. We

88:39

were living on the edge back then. And

88:41

by the way, I'm not refuting or denying

88:43

everything you're saying, but I'm

88:45

pushing back a little because I can see

88:47

it's stimulating you to think deeper,

88:49

and I like hearing your commentary on

88:52

it. I I like it that you're you're

88:54

you're if I push back a little, it makes

88:56

you dig deeper to make your point. And I

88:59

I like it. I like I'm like I like what

89:01

I'm hearing coming from you.

89:02

>> Well, I like what you're saying, too, is

89:03

about simulation. Like the idea that

89:05

it's fake. I don't think it's fake.

89:07

>> I think it's a real thing. It's

89:09

obviously a real thing if we're

89:10

experiencing like what is real. Are your

89:12

dreams real? Yes. Is sleep real? Yes.

89:15

>> These are real things. Whether or not

89:17

you can put it on a scale doesn't mean

89:19

it's not real. So I don't think the

89:21

simulation term is the best term. I

89:23

think it's a program.

89:25

>> I think we're running a biological

89:27

program and we think of biological as

89:29

being separate from like math and being

89:32

separate from like subatomic particles

89:34

and the [ __ ] confusing quantum world.

89:37

I don't think it's separate from it at

89:39

all. I think it's all just one big super

89:42

complex program that's running that if

89:45

done properly, and we're experiencing it

89:47

right now, it leads to the creation of

89:49

artificial life.

89:50

>> Okay?

89:50

>> And even artificial life is a bad term

89:52

because it's not artificial. It's real.

89:54

>> With all that being said, where do you

89:56

visualize the data center being? If it's

89:59

a program, is it off planet? Is it off

90:02

galaxy? Is it invisible? Like, doesn't

90:05

there have to be a data center if we're

90:07

a program or how does it just whisp

90:11

itself up?

90:11

>> The universe itself, I think the

90:13

universe itself is a program. I think it

90:15

runs from the beginning of the big bang

90:17

to the

90:18

>> the formation of neutron stars. And I

90:20

had this lady on, Michelle. Uh, how do

90:23

how do you say her last name?

90:25

>> Dor. I barely know her. amazing lady

90:28

like worked for NASA cosmologist where

90:31

she's an astronomer

90:34

>> and uh we were talking about like

90:36

neutron stars like the insanity of

90:38

neutron stars and how they bend space

90:40

and time they warp gravity around them

90:42

it's like

90:43

>> these things all exist out there in the

90:44

universe and they're all I think it's

90:46

all a part of this program and I think

90:48

this program is running

90:50

>> on other planets I think there's other

90:52

life forms that are doing very similar

90:53

things

90:55

>> look I I like the debate I like your

90:58

take on it.

90:59

>> I I I just still struggle with the

91:03

>> the the technicality of it all.

91:05

>> Uhhuh.

91:06

>> But the technicality of it all, if it's

91:08

just biological life, let's say

91:11

>> it's just random.

91:12

>> All this stuff is random. Water rain

91:14

down, bacteria turned into [ __ ]

91:17

>> amiebas,

91:18

>> platypuses, whatever.

91:20

>> It all just happened slowly but surely.

91:22

That makes less sense. That makes less

91:25

sense than uh a slow program that's

91:30

running from literally the beginning of

91:32

single-sellled organisms, literally the

91:33

beginning of the formation of planets.

91:35

That this is like a natural cycle that

91:37

happens everywhere in the universe. And

91:39

there's a reason why these these suns

91:41

spin around and spit out plasma and that

91:44

that stuff coales in space.

91:47

>> Yeah. Yeah.

91:47

>> Coales in space.

91:48

>> Yeah.

91:49

>> You know, um um Terrence Howard, the the

91:53

actor, very excited. He was here,

91:54

>> very eccentric guy. Yeah.

91:55

>> He had a a theory that I can't stop

91:57

thinking about.

91:58

>> What is it?

91:58

>> He thinks that planets are formed

92:01

>> because the suns eject particles over

92:03

time and that these stars eject. We see

92:06

those the big plasma ejections and the

92:08

big solar. He thinks that material

92:11

>> eventually gets out into space

92:13

eventually forms planets. And then he

92:16

says when the planets get further from

92:17

the sun, further enough from the sun,

92:19

they people.

92:20

>> And he thinks that's what what happens

92:21

to Earth.

92:23

You get a certain distance and then life

92:26

evolves and then intelligent life

92:27

evolves and then eventually these

92:29

planets people and then when they get

92:30

too far from the sun they can no longer

92:33

support intelligent life. They can no

92:35

longer support life. So then the people

92:38

have to get intelligent enough by the

92:40

time the planet's far enough away where

92:42

they've figured out a way to bypass all

92:44

the problems of living on a planet that

92:46

doesn't have an environment and living

92:48

on a planet that doesn't have water.

92:49

They've [snorts] bypassed all that.

92:50

Yeah,

92:51

>> they've moved into the next realm of

92:52

existence and now they can travel

92:54

interstellar and do all that kind of

92:56

crazy.

92:56

>> I wouldn't refute that theory.

92:58

>> It's a good theory.

92:59

>> I think it's a good theory. I mean, it

93:01

could explain how we're even here, you

93:03

know?

93:03

>> Yeah. It also could explain the weird

93:05

[ __ ] on Mars.

93:06

>> Wait a minute.

93:07

>> That Mars at one point in time might

93:08

have had life.

93:09

>> Yeah. The dry lake beds and the

93:12

>> No, the structures. Have you ever seen

93:13

the structures on Mars?

93:14

>> Oh, that face.

93:15

>> No. Have you seen the big square?

93:17

>> No.

93:18

>> Okay, Jame, I'll show you. There's this

93:20

weird uh thing on Mars that, by the way,

93:23

it's in the same area of Sidonia where

93:25

that face is. The face doesn't look like

93:28

a face to me.

93:29

>> It's more shadowy. It's the shadows that

93:31

make it look like a face. I think

93:33

>> it looked like a face in the early

93:34

images, but this stuff is [ __ ] weird.

93:37

Like, that's weird.

93:38

>> Is that the Glendale Galleria?

93:40

>> It is, but God 5 million years ago on

93:43

Mars.

93:45

So you're you're saying because

93:47

geometrically it's a perfect square, you

93:50

think it's a

93:50

>> look what that looks like, man. That's

93:52

nuts. Like when when do right angles

93:54

like that that are in the same distance

93:56

from each other ever exist in nature?

93:59

>> That's crazy.

94:00

>> And if they determine what those bumps

94:02

are or those rock structures or

94:04

>> they don't know they don't even know how

94:05

big it is because it's somewhere it's

94:07

between 300 m is like the the small

94:10

estimate, but it might be as far as like

94:12

a couple of miles. Yeah,

94:14

>> they don't know how big it is. Look at

94:15

that thing. What the [ __ ] is that?

94:17

>> Yeah.

94:18

>> What the [ __ ] is that? There's a bunch

94:20

of these things on Mars that are just

94:22

really weird. And if at one point in

94:25

time, I'm talking millions of years ago,

94:28

>> hundreds of millions,

94:29

>> who knows?

94:30

>> Yeah.

94:31

>> How much would be left?

94:32

>> Yeah.

94:32

>> You know, how many um let's put this

94:35

into uh perplexity, Jamie. How many

94:38

ancient civilizations have

94:42

myths about or instead of do any how

94:46

about this? Not not how many. Do any

94:48

ancient civilizations have myths about

94:51

Mars?

94:53

Have myths about Mars?

94:56

>> It's perfectly feasible.

94:58

>> Totally feasible.

94:59

>> Yeah.

95:00

Like if you think about it, several

95:03

ancient civilizations have myths or

95:05

religious associations tied to Mars,

95:07

usually because they saw it as a bright

95:08

reddish and sometimes ominous plan. Hey,

95:10

don't mansplain to me, bro. Ancient

95:13

Romans identified Mars with their god of

95:15

war.

95:16

>> Okay. Do any um ancient civilizations

95:19

have a myth about people coming from

95:21

Mars?

95:24

How about that?

95:27

Wow.

95:29

>> See if that is um do any have myths

95:31

about humans

95:34

coming from Mars? You could just do a

95:36

follow-up question at the bottom there.

95:42

Here we go. What do you think? Yes.

95:46

>> Wow.

95:46

>> Here it goes. No. Ancient civilizations

95:49

did not have myths about humans or

95:51

people coming from Mars. While Mars has

95:53

been central to mythology across many

95:55

cultures, these myths focus on Mars as a

95:59

deity or celestial object, not as

96:01

humanity's origin point. What is that

96:03

one um tribe? Is the the Doon people?

96:07

They have a um a weird origin story from

96:11

another planet.

96:12

>> The Doons.

96:13

>> Yeah. Do tribe

96:15

>> origin story. I don't know. I don't

96:19

know.

96:20

>> The Doons.

96:22

Wow.

96:23

>> Um, I think it's somewhere in Africa.

96:26

>> Sounds like Sounds like they're broke.

96:28

Whoever they are,

96:30

>> Mali, they have a complex creation myth

96:32

centered around Amna, the supreme

96:34

creator god who lived in the celestial

96:36

regions as was the origin of all

96:38

creation. In their cosmology, the stars

96:41

resent Amma's bodily parts with the

96:44

constellation Orion called the seat of

96:47

heaven or Amma's navl.

96:50

And so I think they have this origin

96:52

story from Whoa. What is this? Descended

96:55

to earth in an arc suspended from heaven

96:57

by a copper chain. Whoa.

96:59

>> Okay,

97:00

>> look at this. According to Doon

97:01

mythology, Amma created the earth and

97:03

then split himself in two, creating Ogo,

97:06

representing disorder, and Nommo

97:08

representing order. Ogo descended to

97:11

earth along the Milky Way al uh with

97:15

which the Doon believe connects heaven

97:16

and earth and created havoc. To restore

97:19

balance, Amma created Nommo and gave him

97:22

eight assistants consisting of four

97:24

pairs of twins. These eight beings, also

97:28

called the Nommo, became the ancestors

97:30

of the Doon people and descended to

97:32

Earth in an ark suspended from heaven by

97:35

a copper chain.

97:37

Okay, what was that story about? I think

97:39

we're accidentally reading a children's

97:41

book, Joe. The Ogo pe what?

97:44

>> The Doon people. The Ogo and the Pogos.

97:47

>> Yeah, this is

97:47

>> But what do you I think there's a lot of

97:50

people that have like weird origin

97:51

stories that involve extraterrestrial

97:54

life.

97:55

>> Yeah. I mean,

97:58

>> there is.

98:00

I mean, are you running that through

98:03

human evolution?

98:05

Yes. Because if you run it through human

98:08

evolution,

98:09

extraterrestrial life doesn't not

98:11

necessarily match up with like homoctus

98:15

and, you know, Neanderthal man and

98:18

things like that.

98:19

>> In what way? Well, I I get the sense

98:21

that extraterrestrial life is far more

98:25

advanced and technological going back to

98:28

what you were talking about at the

98:29

bottom of the ocean, whereas our

98:32

ancestors were primal,

98:35

>> right?

98:36

>> So, how do the two collide? I'm a bit

98:38

confused.

98:39

>> Well, what if they created us?

98:42

>> They created us as primates and watched

98:45

us evolve as an experiment.

98:47

>> Yeah. What if you like, let's imagine

98:48

this. We talked about like if we if we

98:50

showed up and we went found a planet and

98:53

it was filled with like ancient primates

98:55

like ancient hairy men that had just

98:57

figured out the stone tools.

98:59

>> Okay, let's go to the early days.

99:00

>> I'm with you. I'm right there, guy.

99:03

>> Do you think let's not say American

99:06

scientists, we would never do this. But

99:08

do you think perhaps like Chinese or

99:09

Russian scientists might do some things

99:11

with them and try to make them more

99:13

advanced

99:16

>> in terms of biological experimentation

99:18

>> engineering genetic engineering?

99:21

>> I don't know. I be I mean

99:23

>> I will answer for you. Yes.

99:25

>> You think they would?

99:25

>> 100% for sure. They're just cave people.

99:28

They don't even have any civilization.

99:30

We let's just do whatever we want to

99:32

them because we're far more advanced. Do

99:34

you know that there was a point in time

99:35

where the Russians were experimenting

99:36

with people and trying to make a human

99:38

chimpanzeee hybrid for war?

99:40

>> Is that right?

99:41

>> Yeah. This is after World War II.

99:43

>> They were trying to make hybrids.

99:45

>> So, so many Russians died during World

99:48

War II. I mean, Russia lost a lot of

99:51

[ __ ] people in World War II.

99:53

>> And there was a program that like they

99:56

do a lot of things where they they just

99:58

run it up the chain like what do you

99:59

think? What if we do this? What if we do

100:01

that? You know, what if we make a

100:02

nuclear bomb? What if we make a a plane

100:04

that doesn't have any radar signal? What

100:06

if we make instead of our soldiers

100:09

dying, what if we make a hybrid just for

100:11

war? We know chimpanzees are incredibly

100:14

strong and they're smart and they're

100:16

very violent. So, what if we made an

100:18

incredibly strong, very violent species

100:20

that's more intelligent than chimpanzees

100:23

and we can control them and we'll use

100:25

them as our soldiers?

100:27

But that seems like a lot of work for

100:30

something that's hiding behind a a

100:33

modern weapon. Because whether you have

100:35

a an insane chimpanzee behind a machine

100:38

gun or a guy that was an accountant and

100:41

got drafted, it seems like the weapons

100:44

doing the work, not the biological

100:46

entity.

100:47

>> Yeah. But if the chimp's stronger and

100:49

faster and they can get to places where

100:52

the accountant can't and they can charge

100:55

into them in the middle of the night

100:56

because they could see at night time,

100:57

>> there's a lot of things that you could

100:59

do with chimps that were hybrids.

101:01

>> Yeah.

101:02

>> Like what did they what was the extent

101:03

of that program?

101:04

>> Let's find out.

101:05

>> I'm looking it up right now. But he the

101:07

guy that did it was also then arrested.

101:09

I'm trying to figure out well like

101:10

>> of course he was arrested [laughter]

101:12

>> as a [ __ ] psychopath.

101:13

>> Well, he was his name Dr. Maro ring a

101:16

bell. It says he was funded by Soviet

101:18

authorities to set up experiments. I'm

101:20

like, well, were these private, you

101:22

know, or did official?

101:24

>> Well, I I would imagine if I was the

101:28

leader of Russia at the time and this

101:30

guy said, uh, Mr. Prime Minister, I have

101:35

a program I am currently considering in

101:38

operation where I will be able to make

101:41

soldiers that are increasingly strong,

101:44

much faster, that retain human

101:46

characteristics like the ability to

101:49

communicate and to engage in warfare

101:52

with weaponry. But they will be much

101:55

faster, much stronger, and more

101:57

importantly, not people. We won't mourn

102:00

for them like our brothers and sisters.

102:02

We will breed them in laboratories. We

102:05

will make millions of them, arm them,

102:08

and send them out against our enemies.

102:12

[snorts]

102:12

>> Are you coming on to me

102:13

>> a little bit? I got hard talking that.

102:15

>> So this Wow.

102:16

>> So

102:17

>> he successfully did a bunch of stuff in

102:18

the early 1900s.

102:20

>> What?

102:20

>> Successfully.

102:22

>> But not not any human hybrids, other

102:24

animals.

102:24

>> So they say

102:26

>> he was a pioneer in artificial

102:28

insemination as well. He conducted

102:30

experiments that involved artificially

102:31

inseminating horses to create superior

102:33

offspring for Imperial Russia. And this

102:36

work earned him recognition from the

102:37

Boleviks. Ivanov was not satisfied with

102:41

merely enhancing a species. Though

102:42

hybridization became his obsession, and

102:45

he was soon crossing zebras with

102:46

donkeys, cows with bison, and several

102:49

different species of rodents

102:51

>> with each other. In 1910, he brashly

102:54

declared he could see a human ape hybrid

102:57

in the future. Isn't this gene splicing

103:00

though? Have you ever heard of a liger?

103:02

>> But ligers are just hybrids. It's just

103:05

they breed with each other. A male tiger

103:07

and a female lion or the opposite. I

103:09

don't forget which one it was.

103:10

>> But but the problem is the reason why

103:12

ligers are so big, it's I think it's the

103:14

either the male tiger or the male lion,

103:16

whichever one it is, the male has the

103:18

gene um that regulates size. And when

103:21

they have the hybrid, that gene doesn't

103:23

doesn't transfer.

103:25

>> And so the liers just keep growing.

103:27

[ __ ] gigantic. I might have [ __ ]

103:29

that up, but I don't think I did. Even

103:31

off imported chimps to Russia,

103:33

inseminating unpaid Soviet women with

103:35

their sperm.

103:36

>> Unpaid,

103:37

>> though none conceive because humans and

103:39

chimp chromosomes are incompatible.

103:42

>> Interesting.

103:43

>> Imagine you're a [ __ ] Soviet lady and

103:46

you're like, "What is this job?" You lie

103:48

down with your legs open and we stick

103:51

something inside of you and you get a

103:53

loaf of bread. [laughter]

103:55

>> What the [ __ ] man? They give you the

103:57

abominable snowman in your womb.

103:59

>> How much did they know about genes back

104:01

then? Genes and chromosomes. So, what

104:04

year was this?

104:06

>> 1920ish.

104:08

>> Did they when did they discover

104:09

chromosomes?

104:10

>> As of yesterday, we just they might not

104:11

have even known helium was on Earth,

104:14

>> right? That's right. That's right.

104:16

>> Yeah. They thought helium was only in

104:18

the sun. Um, wow. When did they discover

104:21

chromosomes?

104:23

Let's find that out.

104:24

>> Let's take a guess. Haron,

104:26

>> I'm gonna say I'm gonna say in the

104:32

40s.

104:34

I'm gonna go a little later. I'm going

104:36

to say 50s.

104:38

>> Okay.

104:38

>> I'm going to say 57.

104:40

>> I'm going to say 42.

104:42

>> I am purely guessing though. I have no

104:45

idea.

104:46

>> Yeah. the

104:49

what you mean by that is kind of that's

104:52

very vague because like they could have

104:53

known about them but like to what detail

104:55

and how many there were and what

104:57

>> well let's just um just put that in

104:59

perspective I did but like it's giving a

105:01

vague answer in the 1800s they sort of

105:02

knew about it but to what detail is

105:05

until the 1900

105:06

>> okay chromosomes were first observed as

105:08

distinct structures in the cell nuclei

105:10

in the 1800s well that's pretty distinct

105:12

they're talking about in the cell

105:13

structure so they must have been looking

105:15

at them with microscopes

105:17

um once good light microscopes became

105:19

available. So that's the 1800s. Their

105:22

role as carriers of hereditary

105:24

information was not clarified until the

105:25

early 1900s through work linking

105:28

chromosomes to Mandel's law of

105:30

inheritance.

105:31

>> That's 100 years of guessing. Imagine

105:33

what we're guessing about now that we

105:35

don't know about. So it could mean any

105:37

they could have been completely wrong

105:38

for 35 years and then sort of closed for

105:40

10 and

105:42

>> wrong again for 20 and then like oh nope

105:43

that's what it is.

105:44

>> Yeah. Wild, right? It's wild how long it

105:49

took.

105:49

>> Well, see, this is

105:50

>> in comparison to today.

105:51

>> This goes back to AI, Joe, giving access

105:55

to the average person to be able to dig

105:58

into this stuff because it might be the

106:00

guy in aisle 12 at Home Depot who

106:03

discovers some of these probing answers,

106:06

you know?

106:07

>> Yeah, definitely. That's why he might be

106:09

like,

106:09

>> you know, hitting a bong sitting at home

106:12

talking to Chad [snorts] GPT and go,

106:13

"Bro,

106:14

>> yeah,

106:14

>> tell me how to make a human monkey

106:16

hybrid."

106:16

>> Exactly.

106:17

>> So this guy, um, so it was in Pull that

106:21

>> I was reading about him. This started to

106:22

say the American backers started sending

106:23

him some money, too. And I was trying,

106:24

of course, I was trying to figure out

106:26

>> they want to get those [ __ ] crazy

106:27

chimp people, too.

106:29

>> Call me crazy, but I get the feeling you

106:31

would like to see one of those

106:32

>> 100%.

106:33

>> Cuz physically it would have to look

106:35

incredible.

106:36

>> It would be insane. Imagine if you get a

106:37

like a Viking like a Brock Lesnar gene

106:40

and you splice it with a chimpanzeee

106:42

gene.

106:42

>> Yeah.

106:42

>> You have a giant like Thor from Game of

106:44

Thrones the mountain from Game of

106:46

Thrones. Imagine that guy splicing that

106:48

guy's jeans with a chimpanzeee's jeans.

106:50

>> Well, you keep going to chimp, but what

106:52

about a silverback gorilla, which is

106:54

even

106:55

>> They're not violent.

106:56

>> Yeah, they're they're very calm,

106:57

actually.

106:57

>> They eat vegetables. They're they're

106:59

vegans.

107:00

>> Whereas chimps are pack hunters. They

107:02

eat other monkeys.

107:04

>> Mhm. Yeah. They're way more violent.

107:06

They're way more like us. We're way

107:08

closer to chimps than we are to

107:10

gorillas.

107:11

>> Yeah, we are.

107:12

>> Yeah, we're we're closer in our

107:13

behavior. Like they they engage in war.

107:16

They have tribal war. They go after

107:17

tribes. They break off and find they

107:19

start new civilizations.

107:21

>> But if you're splicing two entities

107:23

together, you've got the human brain

107:26

that's, you know, we're sort of wired to

107:28

be violent, but you just take the

107:31

physicality of the silver back and marry

107:33

them together. They're they're just as

107:35

wired to be violent as we are, buddy.

107:37

>> What?

107:38

>> Chimps?

107:38

>> No, I'm saying the silverback. You then

107:40

you have a bigger physical body with our

107:43

minds.

107:43

>> But maybe they'll just chill like the

107:44

gorillas do. [laughter]

107:45

>> They just go to Miami.

107:47

>> New delivery of chimps to a nursery in

107:49

1930. But in the light of the

107:50

questionable ethics and zero progress,

107:52

Ianov was arrested and exiled to

107:54

Kazakhstan where he died two years

107:57

later. Some of the apes and monkeys that

107:58

outlived him were launched into space

108:01

with the sputnik missions. You imagine,

108:04

you imagine you're an ape. First they

108:07

make you [ __ ] some lady and then they

108:10

shoot you off into space. Well, you were

108:11

just eating bananas, having a good time

108:13

in the jungle being a regular

108:15

chimpanzeee and these [ __ ] or

108:18

you [ __ ] some janitor and then shoot you

108:21

into space.

108:23

>> They successfully implanted an ovary in

108:25

a few of them.

108:26

>> Oh god, [ __ ] psychos.

108:30

>> Jesus Christ. Yeah, they've done over

108:32

the course of history, the Germans, the

108:34

Japanese, the Chinese in times of war,

108:37

they did the most horrific

108:39

experimentation. They they did

108:41

everything you could do. They they'd see

108:43

how long it would take for a human body

108:45

to die if you boiled it and skin people

108:48

and the the things that have been done,

108:50

the aberrations that have happened are

108:52

crazy. But this is this is interesting.

108:55

This is almost the basis for a movie, I

108:57

think.

108:57

>> Well, it could absolutely happen today.

109:00

This is where it gets weird

109:01

>> because now with crisper and with gene

109:04

editing,

109:05

>> how many years are we away from them

109:06

being actually able to do that?

109:09

>> Actually able to take whatever genes you

109:12

have in a person, whatever genes you

109:14

have in a chimpanzeee, pick which ones,

109:17

which things you want to do, and make a

109:19

life form.

109:20

>> I like it.

109:21

>> You know, they have the dire wolves now,

109:22

right?

109:22

>> Yeah, the dire wolves.

109:24

>> I saw them. I went to visit them.

109:25

>> You did. Are they pure? Are they 100%

109:28

pure? Are they are are they a version of

109:30

a modern-day wolf mixed with a dire

109:32

wolf? It's a really good question. So,

109:35

that is the question that people uh

109:38

always use to dismiss or that is the

109:41

statement that people use to dismiss

109:42

what they've done as actually creating

109:44

direwolves. But when I talked to the

109:46

woman who's the head geneticist, the way

109:47

she said is

109:49

>> these distinctions

109:50

>> like what we call something a direwolf

109:52

or we call something a pug or we call

109:54

whatever these distinctions are, these

109:55

are our creations

109:57

>> and that the genetics are the same.

110:00

>> Like this animal looks like a direwolf

110:03

cuz it is a a direwolf and some of those

110:06

genes are in wolves. Some of those genes

110:09

are in the biological tissue that they

110:12

got from like thousand. Like how old was

110:15

the tissue that they got from a direwolf

110:18

that they used for colossal? I feel like

110:20

some of it was like 10,000 years old.

110:22

Like something crazy.

110:23

>> Where did they find that tissue? What

110:25

country

110:26

>> they find in America? You get it in um

110:28

like when they find fossil or they find

110:31

like a dead animal, they find something

110:33

that they can get out of it where they

110:34

can get some DNA. And they've managed to

110:36

get the actual DNA of a direwolf.

110:39

>> So 13,000 years old, a tooth

110:42

>> from Sheridan Pit, Ohio, and a 72,000y

110:45

old skull from American Falls, Idaho.

110:48

>> So wow.

110:49

>> So they get the genes. They make a map.

110:52

I'm just I'm butchering this. I'm sorry

110:54

if you're a scientist. I'm sorry to all

110:55

the people at Colossal. You make a map

110:57

of what it means to be a direwolf based

110:59

on this stuff because you have these

111:00

samples. And then you choose those

111:02

genes. You add those genes to a greywolf

111:06

and then you turn it into a [ __ ]

111:07

direwolf and they're all white and they

111:09

have a mane like a lion which they

111:11

didn't know they were going to have.

111:12

Like not as big as a lion but it's it's

111:14

a pronounced mane.

111:16

>> Huh.

111:16

>> And they look different, man. They're

111:17

weird.

111:18

>> Are they bigger in size? Cuz they were

111:20

semi-prehistoric.

111:22

>> They're bigger. They're just a It's a

111:23

big

111:23

>> bigger than a timber wolf.

111:24

>> Yes.

111:25

>> Wow.

111:26

>> Yeah. They're like a 200lb wolf and

111:28

they're built different. They're built

111:29

different. Like they're they're more

111:30

stocky and they look different. What's

111:33

their jaw structure like? Is it

111:34

different?

111:35

>> Bigger. Bigger. Stronger. They're there.

111:36

It's a bigger, more ferocious animal

111:39

that lived at a time where it was

111:41

>> What does the term dire mean? Do we

111:43

know? Dire wolf.

111:44

>> That's a good question.

111:45

>> What is dire?

111:46

>> Let's find out why they call them dire

111:47

wolves. I have no idea. It just sounds

111:49

dope.

111:50

>> I wonder if they ever get sick if they

111:52

become diarrhea wolves.

111:54

>> Is that where you go with that?

111:55

>> No, I really do want to know. That just

111:57

came to me. That just came to me.

111:59

[laughter]

112:00

But I do want to know where dire comes

112:02

from. What it means.

112:03

>> Fearful or terrible. The Latin words

112:06

dyrus meaning feel fearful or terrible

112:09

or awe inspiringly dreadful. Bro, back

112:12

then when those things were around and

112:14

people were around at the same time, you

112:16

imagine how [ __ ] rough it would be.

112:17

You're in the woods and you're camping

112:18

out with your buddy and you see a pack

112:20

of direwolves that have recognized you

112:21

and you know it's over.

112:23

>> Well, the thing with wolves though, Joe,

112:24

and you probably know this, wolves

112:26

traditionally don't hunt down humans.

112:28

>> That's not true.

112:29

>> Huh? That's not true at all.

112:30

>> I don't know. Is there any record of a

112:32

human being killed by a wolf?

112:35

>> 100%. There's record in modern times.

112:37

Oh, that's not true. They That's the

112:39

reason why they eradicated him from the

112:40

West Coast.

112:41

>> I thought that was because they were

112:42

they were nabbing the cattle.

112:44

>> No, they were killing people, too.

112:46

That's what the big bad wolf and the

112:47

little red body hood is all about. They

112:48

would kill your kids. That's those

112:50

stories were about avoiding wolves

112:52

because wolves were dangerous. They're

112:54

deadly. Do you know that World War I the

112:57

Russians and the Germans had a ceasefire

112:59

because so many of them were getting

113:00

killed by wolves in Siberia really that

113:02

they decided to have a ceasefire, kill

113:05

the wolves and then go back to killing

113:06

each other.

113:07

>> Cuz my experience is wolves are very

113:09

trepidacious of humans. They fear them

113:11

and and avoid them

113:13

>> cuz we killed most of them.

113:14

>> But that wouldn't change their hunting

113:16

instinct now if there were still packs

113:18

roaming wild and free. You don't kill

113:21

the instinct out of them

113:24

>> cuz then you'd kill their instinct to

113:25

kill an elk. Or

113:26

>> if you've seen wolves, you've seen

113:28

wolves in Canada.

113:29

>> Yeah.

113:30

>> They hunt them in Canada.

113:31

>> Yeah.

113:32

>> Yeah. That's why they're trepidacious.

113:34

That's why they're nervous about people.

113:36

>> Can we look up how many humans have been

113:38

killed by wolves?

113:39

>> Very rare. Mostly happened in Europe and

113:41

Asia.

113:42

>> Yeah. See, it's not common.

113:43

>> It's because we killed them all,

113:45

Harland. They're not around anymore.

113:47

That's the whole point. The reason why

113:48

they got killed off was because they

113:50

were a [ __ ] problem. It's not

113:52

because, you know, people were evil and

113:54

it was a terrible idea. It's because

113:55

they wanted to live and they knew that

113:57

the wolves were [ __ ] killing

113:59

everybody.

114:00

>> I think the problem was they were

114:01

killing their domestic cattle

114:03

>> 100%.

114:04

>> But not the people so much.

114:06

>> People too.

114:07

>> Really?

114:07

>> Yeah. They kill They don't have rules,

114:09

man. They But they're also Think of it.

114:12

Every living species. Why is it I can go

114:15

to a park and a blue jay and a squirrel

114:19

and a deer and a bunny can be just fine,

114:21

completely different species, but then a

114:24

little boy walks up a human and they all

114:26

just go. There's this driven instinct in

114:30

all animals to fear us, which breaks my

114:32

heart because most of us are loving and

114:34

want to coddle and connect with animals,

114:37

but even insects, dragon flies,

114:40

hummingbirds, nothing wants to be near

114:42

us. And so wolves also, all animals are

114:46

trepidacious of humans. It's sad, but

114:49

it's true. And if that's part of the

114:51

bigger program we've been talking about,

114:53

what does it say about us?

114:55

>> First of all, animals are not

114:56

trepidacious of humans.

114:58

>> Have you ever walked up to a wild

114:59

animal?

115:00

>> I've walked up to a lot of wild animals.

115:03

>> I know that you're being silly, but

115:04

>> I'm not being silly.

115:05

>> Okay, so realistically, all those

115:07

animals you said, blue jay, deer, those

115:09

are all animals that eat plants. Okay.

115:11

If a dog showed up, they would run. Any

115:14

animal that's a pri that's that's a

115:15

predator is going to scare them. Whether

115:17

it's a human, we have eyes in front of

115:19

our face. The reason why you have eyes

115:20

in front of your face like that is cuz

115:22

you're looking to go after something.

115:24

When you have eyes on the side of your

115:25

face, you're looking for something to go

115:27

after you. So all those animals like

115:29

deer and all these little cute little

115:31

animals, they're all prey and they're

115:34

all like super sketchy with anything

115:35

that has eyes in front of its face, it's

115:37

looking at them cuz we are a [ __ ]

115:38

predator. But it would be the same if it

115:40

was a coyote there. It would be the same

115:42

if a dog was there. If a cat or a big

115:45

cat or a lion was there, if they saw it,

115:47

they would all freak out because they're

115:49

prey.

115:50

>> Now, wolves have killed people. Fact,

115:54

100% all throughout time. If they catch

115:57

you alone,

115:59

>> they catch you in the woods. And if it's

116:01

you and five of them, they will kill

116:03

you.

116:06

It's it's it's we're not on their

116:09

dietary list though. Look at killer

116:11

whales. Never been a human killed by a

116:14

killer whale.

116:15

>> Only at SeaWorld,

116:16

>> right?

116:16

>> Because they Well, that's different.

116:18

>> So why? That's a living mammal. And

116:21

there's millions of people in the ocean

116:22

every day. But there's no record of an

116:24

orca killing a human because they're

116:27

trepidacious of us.

116:28

>> No, they're super intelligent.

116:29

>> And wolves and coyotes.

116:31

>> They're not trepidacious of us. They

116:32

help us. They communicate with play with

116:34

you.

116:34

>> I know, but I'm just saying it's not

116:36

common for wolves and apex predators to

116:40

go after humans. It happens, but it's

116:43

not common. And wolves, they're very

116:45

skittish animals.

116:48

Okay? They're skittish if they're around

116:50

people and they think the people might

116:52

have a gun. If you're in the woods,

116:54

wolves are not skittish of you. They're

116:56

thinking about what they're going to do

116:58

to you and whether or not they're going

116:59

to eat you. If you have a rifle and

117:01

you're in the woods and they hear the

117:02

boom go off, they're gonna get the [ __ ]

117:03

away from you.

117:04

>> They don't know what a rifle is. I'm

117:05

just saying there's an extin an

117:07

instinctual

117:09

fear of humans for whatever reason.

117:11

>> Dude, it's not true.

117:12

>> Most critters avoid us. Even fish, if

117:15

you avoid all pre predators. All of

117:18

them.

117:19

>> Yeah, but look at the plains of Africa.

117:21

You'll see a wilderbeast and a zebra.

117:25

>> If you walked out in the wild of Africa,

117:28

>> you're done. Yeah.

117:30

>> Yeah. Because you have lions, leopards,

117:32

your prey there. Yeah. All those animals

117:35

are freaking out too until one gets

117:37

taken out. This is the Joseph Campbell

117:40

story of the hero. Like one gets taken

117:42

out and the other one's go, "Wow, he did

117:44

it for us." Because when the the lions

117:46

are eating that one antelope, they're

117:47

going to leave you alone. You could

117:48

relax for a little bit.

117:49

>> Yeah,

117:50

>> that's what it is.

117:51

>> I'm just saying

117:52

>> they're never calm around lions. They

117:54

run. That's why they run,

117:56

>> right? But I'm just saying wolves are

117:59

probably more inclined to step around us

118:01

than attack us.

118:03

>> They are more inclined to do whatever

118:05

they need to do to survive.

118:07

>> They will. They're opportunists.

118:09

>> And if it's attacking your sheep, then

118:11

they'll attack your sheep. If it's

118:12

killing your dog, they'll kill your dog.

118:14

If it's killing you, if you're 20 miles

118:16

into the back country and you're camping

118:18

alone and you don't have a weapon and a

118:20

pack of wolves shows up and they haven't

118:23

had anything to eat for a few days,

118:24

>> they'll take you down. They'll take you

118:26

down.

118:26

>> But I'm just saying I'm I'm I'm just

118:28

trying to instill into you with all this

118:30

programming talk, there's something

118:33

programmed into all the other species on

118:36

this planet. They go, "Whoa, there's a

118:38

[ __ ] human."

118:40

>> You're wrong.

118:40

>> And they step around us a lot. Not that

118:43

they won't kill us, but

118:44

>> they It's anything that's coming near

118:46

them, they get away from.

118:49

>> The reason why they're scared of people

118:50

is cuz they have experience with people.

118:53

>> That's what it is. Yes, wolves do.

118:55

Wolves in Canada that get shot at are

118:57

afraid of people. They know that people

118:59

have the guns. The guns make the boom.

119:01

They're smart. They a bunch of them die.

119:03

They see one of them die. They learn

119:04

that they see the gun. They see the

119:06

stick. They run away from the guys. So,

119:08

they stay away from people cuz people

119:09

might kill their family members, their

119:12

pack members. It happens.

119:14

>> I think we're on this one.

119:16

>> No. Listen, there's a difference between

119:17

the way bears react in say Alaska than

119:21

bears react in Montana. So in Montana,

119:23

you can't hunt grizzly bears. So grizzly

119:25

bears are not afraid of people because

119:26

generation after generation after

119:28

generation have not been hunted. When

119:30

when bears see you in Alaska, that's

119:32

generation after generation that have

119:33

been hunted and they react very

119:35

differently. They're like, "Get the [ __ ]

119:37

away from the people."

119:38

>> Right. But

119:39

>> unless they don't know you have a gun

119:40

and sometimes you have to scare them

119:41

off. But if they're used to being around

119:43

people with guns, they associate people

119:45

with danger.

119:46

>> Yeah. That's kind of Pavlovian though.

119:48

That's when they're not. When they're

119:50

not like in Montana,

119:51

>> but in raw wild,

119:53

>> bears are quite skittish.

119:56

>> I've been around them.

119:57

>> I have too, man. It depends on the bear.

119:59

It depends on whether it's a mother with

120:01

her cubs. They're not skittish.

120:02

>> They're not skittish.

120:03

>> They [ __ ] you up.

120:03

>> They're they're protective. They're

120:05

They're no longer hunting. But I'm just

120:07

saying that there's an element to sadly

120:12

our human existence that scares a lot of

120:15

critters. A most animals can exist

120:19

together in the same area. And yeah,

120:22

when a when an apex predator approaches,

120:25

the zebras will run. But if you look at

120:27

the hoofed animals and the hippos and

120:30

the everything kind of coexists, but

120:32

when a human walks in, you know, we

120:35

can't walk up to critters and just pet

120:36

them. You can in the Gapagos.

120:39

>> Okay.

120:41

>> Are we?

120:42

>> No.

120:42

>> Are we having a fight? No, but a lion

120:44

can't walk up to a desert and pet my

120:47

legs around you so fast.

120:50

>> It's not uniquely humans, man. It's all

120:52

animals are worried about something that

120:54

wants to eat them because that's a real

120:56

part of their existence. It's all

120:57

animals. If you let your dog loose and

121:00

you let it around wild animals, they

121:02

[ __ ] run like crazy, man. They run

121:05

way more than they do with a person.

121:06

>> Let me rephrase it. If a wild animal

121:10

comes up on a deer, a predator prey

121:13

scenario,

121:14

>> uh,

121:14

>> instinctually they know a predator goes

121:17

into stalking mode, the deer's gone,

121:20

>> right?

121:20

>> But if a human, me or you, go, "Oh, look

121:24

at the deer and we try to walk towards

121:26

it with nothing but love and affection

121:29

and we just want to pet it and it's

121:32

gone." And that's what I'm saying.

121:35

>> You're not saying [ __ ] because a dog,

121:36

the same thing would happen. You're not

121:38

making any sense.

121:39

>> Yes,

121:40

>> of course the deer doesn't want you to

121:41

pet them. It doesn't [ __ ] know you,

121:42

man. What are you nuts?

121:44

>> Right. But it they just they just flee.

121:47

>> They don't flee like they do with dogs.

121:49

A

121:49

>> squirrel.

121:50

>> I have I have deer in my neighborhood

121:51

and when they see me, they don't give a

121:53

[ __ ] They don't care about your car.

121:55

You're you're driving in a car. You

121:56

could stop the car and roll the window

121:57

down and go, "Hello, Mr. Deer." And they

121:59

just [ __ ] stare at you. Animals are

122:01

like that.

122:02

>> They saw a dog, they would [ __ ] run.

122:05

They run like crazy. Even my golden

122:07

retriever, my sweet golden retriever

122:09

marshall.

122:09

>> Yeah.

122:09

>> They run like crazy from him. They blow.

122:11

They make those crazy noise.

122:13

>> They [ __ ] take off.

122:14

>> They stamp their feet.

122:16

>> Yeah. They're scared of predators, dude.

122:17

They're not scared of people in my

122:19

neighborhood cuz no one's eating them in

122:20

my neighborhood. It's their

122:21

conditioning.

122:22

>> I don't know. I'm just talking.

122:24

>> You're just stick You're stuck on an

122:25

idea. [laughter] The people are bad. The

122:28

people are uniquely bad. I wish we could

122:30

just go hug the porcupine.

122:31

>> I'm not saying people are bad. I'm

122:33

saying that animals have something in

122:35

their brain that they don't trust us

122:37

>> cuz we're the apex. We're the top of the

122:39

food chain.

122:40

>> But it's it's it's just sad that

122:42

>> it's not it's way better than being at

122:44

the bottom of the food chain. Way better

122:45

than us like [ __ ] wandering through

122:47

the woods if your kids are going to get

122:48

eaten by a [ __ ] wolf cuz some greeny

122:50

[ __ ] decided to import them back into

122:53

the wild. We need to rewolves

122:56

are back in the wild.

122:57

>> You know, they just dropped him off in

122:59

Aspen. These dumb [ __ ] They

123:02

dropped him off on a cattle ranch and

123:03

all they're doing is eating cows. So now

123:05

they have to have cowboys 24/7 riding

123:07

horses because the governor's husband

123:10

thought it would be a cute idea to drop

123:11

off wolves in Colorado. And they

123:13

reintroduced him to an area that has

123:15

agriculture. They reintroduced him to

123:17

ranching areas.

123:18

>> Wow. You don't

123:20

>> [ __ ] wolves. They've killed who knows

123:22

how many cows. The government has to

123:24

reimburse them every time a cow dies.

123:26

They keep killing cows. They're not

123:27

allowed to kill the wolves. The wolves

123:29

are around them 24 hours a day just

123:31

circling. [laughter]

123:32

>> So they have cowboys on horses all

123:35

throughout the night. They've got fires.

123:37

They have to keep people employed.

123:39

>> But outside of the cattle poaching

123:41

critters. Are you for reintroducing and

123:44

repopulating areas of the

123:47

>> First of all, wolves were making their

123:48

way into Colorado naturally. They're

123:50

already in the San Juan Mountains.

123:52

They're they're moving in from Wyoming

123:54

where they live naturally. And when they

123:56

reintroduced him into Montana, those

123:58

have spread out all over the place.

124:00

There's plenty of [ __ ] wolves, man.

124:02

There's a lot of wolves in Montana, too.

124:05

>> You don't like wolves.

124:07

>> I don't think you want wolves. I don't

124:09

think you understand what you're saying.

124:11

You You You're talking about a pack

124:13

predator. It's very different than any

124:14

other predator. They work together in

124:16

coordination and they're smart. And if

124:18

once they It's not like a mountain lion.

124:20

It's not like a thing that acts alone.

124:22

Once they figure out that the cows are

124:24

in these wooden pens, and they could

124:27

just hop the pen, kill a cow, and that's

124:28

it, they're going to do it forever,

124:30

>> right? But take out the poaching wolves,

124:33

but the ones that are reintroduced and

124:35

assimilate in raw nature,

124:38

>> I think those are crucial and important

124:40

to that ecosystem.

124:41

>> It is crucial to have balance. And

124:44

there's there's some aspects of having

124:46

the wolves back in Montana that's

124:47

actually better for the elk population.

124:49

It is

124:49

>> cuz the elk population was very overpop

124:52

populated at one point in time. They had

124:54

um seasons where they were allowing

124:56

people to shoot them in the snow um in

124:58

the winter. So like there was so many of

125:01

them when they're in the snow like deep

125:02

snow they can't run. So you basically

125:04

>> wolves

125:05

>> no

125:06

>> the elk

125:07

>> elk because before they reintroduced the

125:09

wolves they had so many elk that these

125:11

elks were running out of resources.

125:13

Yeah.

125:13

>> And they they realized like they're so

125:15

overpop populated. We're gonna allow you

125:17

to shoot them in ways that's not even

125:19

remotely sporting. Yeah. They're stuck

125:21

in snow

125:22

>> called culling.

125:23

>> Yeah. Just taking as many out of the

125:25

population as you can. Yeah. And look,

125:26

for the people that live there, it's

125:28

amazing. You're eating elk

125:30

>> 12 months out of the year. You got a

125:32

freezer. It's [ __ ] delicious. How

125:34

dare you? No, I mean if you eat it all

125:35

the time.

125:37

>> But don't forget the wolves also

125:40

preserve the whole ecosystem because the

125:43

overpopulation of elks were eating so

125:46

much of the flora that the sides of

125:49

river banks were eroding.

125:51

>> You're you're quoting a a documentary

125:53

called How Wolves Changed Rivers, right?

125:56

>> Yeah. Widely disputed. So a lot of the

125:58

stuff they're saying is not accurate in

126:00

that documentary. that what is accurate

126:02

is that balance is important. But a lot

126:05

of the things are very overstated in

126:06

that and it turns out to not be true.

126:08

>> Not no a lot of the claims are not true

126:10

>> because

126:12

>> interesting

126:13

>> there you can have a pro and the pro is

126:17

it keeps the population in check and it

126:19

puts a natural balance to to the area.

126:22

That's the pro.

126:23

>> Yeah.

126:23

>> This whole changing rivers thing like

126:26

>> some of it's accurate, some of it's not.

126:28

Yeah. But there's it's the apparently

126:30

that documentary was made by a guy who's

126:32

into rewing and he also wants to rew

126:35

Europe. So like these it's very romantic

126:38

this idea.

126:39

>> Okay.

126:39

>> But there is positive to having a

126:42

balanced ecosystem.

126:44

>> There is not positive when wolves get

126:46

overpopulated. When wolves get overpop

126:48

populated, that's what you get when you

126:50

had Russia and Germany having a [ __ ]

126:53

ceasefire in World War I. Because they

126:55

were losing so many soldiers to wolves.

126:57

They all united together to kill the

126:59

wolves. That's a true story.

127:01

>> But do you ever live in a world where

127:04

you go,

127:05

>> "The wolves are part of the natural

127:07

world the same way the bison were on the

127:10

Great Plains before they eradicated

127:12

them."

127:12

>> You don't have kids.

127:12

>> No.

127:13

>> Okay.

127:15

Imagine if you had kids and you were

127:16

walking with your kids and you saw three

127:18

wolves following you.

127:19

>> Yeah.

127:20

>> And you didn't have a gun. How would you

127:22

feel about those wolves when you

127:23

thought, "Oh my god, we might get taken

127:25

out by wolves." And I just thought they

127:27

were these cute fuzzy things that were a

127:29

part of nature.

127:30

>> Oh, I don't think of them as wilderness.

127:32

>> I don't think of them as that. They're

127:33

>> amazing. We need that.

127:34

>> I worked in nature. I've been around

127:36

wolves. I know them.

127:37

>> I am on team people.

127:40

>> You are

127:41

>> 100%. 100% team people. I love all

127:45

animals. I love them all, but I love

127:47

people way more. If it was between a

127:50

person that I [ __ ] hate that it feels

127:53

a real piece of [ __ ] and I knew that

127:54

they're going to get taken out by a

127:56

wolf, but I had a rifle, I'd kill the

127:57

[ __ ] wolf 100% of the time cuz I'm on

128:00

team people.

128:01

>> This whole idea like the animals are

128:03

scared of us. Good. Be scared, [ __ ] It

128:06

doesn't mean you should do anything bad

128:08

to those animals, but good, good, be

128:10

scared.

128:11

>> But Joe is trying to eat my kids. Isn't

128:13

it team people that's eradicating all

128:16

the animals as we encroach deeper and

128:18

deeper into the Amazon jungle, the

128:20

African plains? We're losing. Look at

128:23

the American bison. There used to be

128:25

millions of them hurt hering across the

128:28

prairies and now there's isolated

128:30

pockets. Look at the elephant herds.

128:33

Look at look at the silverback gorilla.

128:36

Look at there's so many things that are

128:38

losing to team people that we might not

128:41

have Siberian tigers in 30 years.

128:44

>> I'm not saying you should go and kill

128:47

these endangered animals.

128:49

>> I don't say that.

128:52

>> We're not always. That's not true. First

128:54

of all, the bison thing was not because

128:55

of encroaching. The bison thing was

128:57

because of sport hunting where these

128:58

people were like they were doing it not

129:00

even sport hunting,

129:01

>> market hunting. They were doing it for

129:03

tongues.

129:03

>> Do you know that's what they were

129:04

getting? They were chopping out their

129:06

tongues. All that delicious bison meat,

129:08

they let it rot. And then they were

129:09

doing it for furs and then they were

129:11

doing it for bones. Like what this is is

129:14

like people [snorts] were [ __ ]

129:16

insane. And rifles were fairly new and

129:19

long range rifles are fairly new in

129:21

human history. And then all a sudden you

129:22

got people on trains and you've got

129:25

these insane. Now here's where it gets

129:27

really weird.

129:29

>> Um what's Dan's Dan Flores? There's a

129:31

guy named Dan Flores who wrote a book on

129:34

bison and he has a theory. It's a really

129:37

good one. Yeah. That the reason why

129:38

there were so many bison on the planes

129:41

was because of all the Native Americans

129:43

that got wiped out by disease.

129:46

>> And it totally coincides with it because

129:49

the original explorers that came to

129:50

America in like the 1400s, they did not

129:54

describe these enormous population of

129:57

bison where you would see millions of

129:59

them on a prairie. He thinks that that

130:01

came about because literally when the

130:04

Europeans visited Native America, the

130:07

Native Americans, 90% of the Native

130:09

Americans died because of disease,

130:11

>> right?

130:12

>> 90%.

130:13

>> I mean, a true apocalypse.

130:15

>> Imagine nine out of 10 Native Americans

130:18

dead. Yeah.

130:19

>> Because of disease. Well, that means no

130:21

one's hunting the bison,

130:23

>> right? But they

130:24

>> So, that was their that was a primary

130:26

food source for a lot of the Native

130:28

Americans. And it wouldn't take many

130:29

generations for them if that was the

130:31

thing that was keeping them in

130:33

population. If they have a balanced

130:34

ecosystem and the population was

130:36

literally being controlled by these

130:38

effective North American hunters.

130:40

>> Yeah.

130:40

>> And all of a sudden they're gone. The

130:43

population just booms. And that's what

130:44

he was saying.

130:46

>> And then along comes the people with the

130:48

rifles. And then the people with the

130:50

rifles, they're finding these sitting

130:51

ducks just sitting out there. And they

130:52

say, "There's so many of them. We could

130:54

just shoot as many as we want. We never

130:56

have to worry about it." And they're

130:57

shooting him for tongues.

130:59

>> Yeah.

131:00

>> Tongues.

131:01

>> Have you ever heard of Buffalo Head

131:03

Smashed In?

131:04

>> Buffalo Head Smashed In.

131:06

>> Yeah.

131:06

>> What's that?

131:07

>> It's a town in Alberta.

131:11

>> That's the real name of the town. It's

131:12

the real name of the town where on the

131:14

planes there there was an optical

131:17

illusion where it looked like the the

131:20

hills just kept going

131:23

but there was a cliff and the Indians

131:25

would chase the bison

131:28

>> along the plains and they didn't know it

131:30

and at the end they'd they'd all run

131:32

over the thing and the Indians would be

131:34

waiting at the bottom and kill the bison

131:36

but they named the place

131:38

>> Buffalo Head smashed in.

131:40

>> Oh wow. Look at this. Isn't that wild?

131:43

>> Wow.

131:44

>> So, the bison thought they're running on

131:46

a flat plane and they couldn't see the

131:49

change in the perspective, so they'd run

131:51

right over the edge.

131:52

>> They did that a bunch of places in North

131:54

American.

131:55

>> In North America, they did um there's

131:58

one of them where they killed so many

132:00

bison that the rotting of them caused

132:03

them to burst into flames.

132:04

>> Yeah.

132:05

>> And so,

132:06

>> you know about that one?

132:07

>> Yeah. That's like with whales when they

132:08

blow up. Yeah. They explode.

132:10

>> The whole side of the hill is like black

132:13

with coal.

132:14

>> Oh yeah.

132:14

>> Because they they popped that

132:16

>> the imagine the [ __ ] smell of

132:18

something where it gets so bad they

132:20

burst into flames.

132:23

>> Bro, [laughter] what the [ __ ]

132:24

>> Instant Texas barbecue.

132:27

>> So they the Native Americans when they

132:29

were really good at hunting doing stuff

132:30

like that. I mean they're feasting.

132:32

They're eating the best meat and they're

132:34

keeping the population in check. Now,

132:36

when they all died of disease, that

132:38

population stopped being in check. And

132:40

this is Dan Flores. I think it's called,

132:42

see if you could find the name of it,

132:43

Jamie. I think it's called bison

132:45

diplomacy. Bison ecology. I think that's

132:47

what it's called.

132:48

>> Nature also provides disease when there

132:51

is no humans around. Okay. Like long

132:54

before the Indians started hunting

132:57

buffalo, there were buffalo.

132:59

>> Yeah. Bison ecology and bison diplomacy.

133:02

It's a very interesting paper. He was a

133:05

professor of history at Texas Tech. Um,

133:08

very very good book and and he's got

133:10

another great book on coyotes. Coyote

133:12

America's fantast.

133:27

>> I think it's more. So, at what point are

133:30

you still a fan of team human when more

133:33

and more of team animal is being

133:36

eradicated? And I'm not trying to say we

133:39

should

133:39

>> what animals what animals are being

133:41

eradicated right now.

133:42

>> Well, I just explained how the the herds

133:44

of elephants have shrunk down to this.

133:46

Tigers are down to a few thousand.

133:49

>> And a lot of

133:49

>> silverback gorillas are down to like a

133:52

few hundred. Like

133:53

>> a lot Okay. A lot of that is not

133:55

encroaching. It's illegal poaching.

133:58

But it's also encroaching. We're using

134:00

up their land

134:01

>> some of it. But also it's like what do

134:03

you want those people to do? Like people

134:04

in India like where they have in

134:06

elephants just invade their farms and

134:08

eat all their food.

134:09

>> But that's what I'm saying. How long are

134:11

you a proponent of team humans?

134:14

>> Villages for hundreds and hundreds of

134:16

years.

134:16

>> But animals have been for millions.

134:19

>> I'm on team people. If if it's your

134:21

family that needs that farm to stay

134:23

alive and all a sudden a [ __ ] pack of

134:24

elephants comes in and eats all the food

134:26

that you've been working for a year to

134:28

plant and grow. What do you think? We

134:29

should just feed the elephants.

134:30

>> I just want to know where you stand. I'd

134:32

rather see the animals succeed than us

134:35

if I'm being honest. I love people.

134:39

>> But that is a ridiculous

134:41

>> That's a ridiculous thing to say. It

134:42

doesn't mean the animals It doesn't mean

134:44

the animals are going to go extinct.

134:47

>> Parasite on the back of Eden. Don't you

134:49

think humans are a parasite on the back

134:52

of this beautiful paradise?

134:55

>> No.

134:55

>> No animal dumps nuclear waste or

134:58

chemicals into rivers. No animal tears

135:01

down forests except for beavers. So what

135:04

makes team human so great?

135:06

>> Well, we definitely should.

135:06

>> I think you need to change your

135:08

attitude.

135:08

>> We definely shouldn't do those things.

135:10

But I am but I am a human and I like

135:13

humans. I like

135:16

and the only way that you're going to

135:17

have humans is if you stay on team human

135:19

and not say I'd rather have the animals

135:21

here. They're just going to eat you.

135:23

They're going to eat you and there'll be

135:24

no more houses.

135:26

>> Press a button and get rid of humans

135:28

with a press of a button and that

135:30

everything else could just live here

135:32

harmoniously. Would you do it?

135:33

>> What? Do you live in a [ __ ] Disney

135:35

movie?

135:35

>> I'm just asking.

135:36

>> No. No. No chance.

135:38

>> I live in a simulation of a Disney

135:40

movie.

135:40

>> Bro, you live in some [ __ ] Canadian

135:42

reality show. He's taking another drink

135:45

of coffee.

135:45

>> Son of a [ __ ]

135:46

>> You southfly over this table with my

135:48

rotten legs.

135:49

>> You're [ __ ] team Canada. I know what

135:51

you're doing. You're trying to ruin

135:52

America by bringing in wolves. That's

135:55

what you're doing. It's like a plant.

135:57

He's a plant.

135:58

>> I'm asking you to ruin America by

136:00

bringing in lions.

136:00

>> You think humans are a parasite on the

136:03

planet?

136:04

>> I think we are a very complicated,

136:05

intelligent life force that values

136:07

itself above all else to the detriment

136:09

of the ecology of the earth itself. So

136:13

therefore, we could do better. We don't

136:15

all do that, right? We're not Every

136:17

company is not dumping things into

136:19

rivers.

136:19

>> If you had a cancer on your body, would

136:22

you get rid of the cancer?

136:23

>> We're not a cancer, dude. We're a part

136:25

of the Earth. We are the predominant

136:28

intelligent life force on this earth.

136:29

>> Who predominantly destroys the Earth?

136:32

>> Us.

136:33

>> Cancer.

136:34

>> We're not destroying it, though. We just

136:36

do a bad job of keeping it clean.

136:38

>> That's a fancy way of saying destroying.

136:41

Well, most animals ship all over the

136:44

ground. They just don't

136:45

>> hit the button.

136:45

>> You're funny.

136:46

>> Come on. You want to do it together?

136:48

>> You should have kids.

136:50

>> I love kids. I love humans. I just wish

136:52

we could do better.

136:53

>> How old are you now?

136:57

>> Take a guess. Take a guess. You saw my

136:58

legs. Take a guess. I'll tell you.

137:01

>> No, I'll tell you.

137:02

>> Well, I've known you for 30 years.

137:05

>> Yeah.

137:05

>> So, you're at least that.

137:07

>> How old? [laughter] You got to be 50

137:10

something.

137:11

>> 60 I'll be 64 this year.

137:13

>> Really? Yeah.

137:14

>> Wow.

137:15

>> Yeah. But I love humans. But I also

137:18

>> If you had a kid now, it might be a

137:20

problem. You might have bad jizz.

137:22

>> Really?

137:22

>> Yeah. You might have old jizz.

137:24

>> Have you seen my legs?

137:26

>> I've seen the legs look good.

137:27

>> What do you mean bad jizz? You don't

137:29

Aluccino just had a kid and he's 400.

137:32

>> Give that kid an IQ test.

137:33

>> Really? Is he a detoid?

137:36

>> I don't know. He's a baby. Maybe her

137:38

strong jeans because she's only 12. The

137:40

girl No. [laughter]

137:43

How old is

137:45

No, she's just 30. Whatever. She is 30

137:48

years old. [laughter]

137:49

Had a kid with him. 58.

137:51

>> Oh, wow.

137:52

>> Yeah.

137:53

>> We look pretty good with your chest and

137:55

my legs. We're doing all right.

137:57

>> Right.

137:58

>> Do you Did you ever want to have kids at

137:59

one point?

138:00

>> Yeah. I you know I I thought that uh at

138:03

one point I would I thought that at one

138:06

point I might but it just didn't work

138:07

out that way. I was I was married at one

138:09

point and

138:10

>> is it it's like it's hard when you're

138:12

doing the road a lot. It's hard.

138:15

>> Yeah, it is if you make it hard but I

138:17

never did the road a lot. I always mixed

138:19

it so that I that I enjoyed my life and

138:22

traveled and did stuff. So

138:23

>> that's smart.

138:24

>> Yeah,

138:25

>> that's smart.

138:25

>> But it it just it it didn't work out and

138:28

who knows the the road ain't closed yet.

138:30

So, who knows?

138:31

>> Get your jizz checked. Make sure it's

138:32

good.

138:33

>> Yeah. Oh, it's fine.

138:34

>> Throw it into a spectrometer.

138:35

>> Oh my god. I just told you I was on Only

138:38

Fans for 2 hours.

138:39

>> Analyze the jizz. Make sure it's good

138:40

stuff.

138:41

>> Wait, can sperm actually go bad? Well,

138:44

um, when it comes to autism, there's,

138:46

uh, and and maybe even Down syndrome,

138:49

there's some there's some people that

138:53

believe that the older the parents are,

138:56

and they used to think it was just the

138:57

older the woman was that might

138:59

contribute to those things, and now they

139:00

think it it is also likely the father.

139:03

They're also realizing like a lot of um,

139:05

they were there was this thing that I

139:07

was reading about miscarriages from

139:08

parents where the father drinks. And I

139:11

was like, "Wow, that's interesting."

139:12

Because I never really thought that the

139:15

father being a drunk would affect the

139:16

sperm, but of course it would.

139:18

>> Yeah,

139:19

>> of course it would. Yeah.

139:20

>> And weed too. They used to say weed

139:23

affected the sperm, but I don't know if

139:25

that's

139:25

>> Well, they used to say it slows it down

139:27

or something like that.

139:28

>> I [laughter] don't know.

139:29

>> Aderall speed it up.

139:31

>> I don't know. Zic, you give birth to a

139:34

zombie.

139:35

>> You give birth to a [ __ ] jazzed up

139:36

aderall kid. Dad, I want to [ __ ]

139:39

clean this house. Wait, do you have any

139:41

boys or is it all girls?

139:42

>> It's all girls.

139:43

>> Do you wish you had had a boy?

139:45

>> I just want them to be healthy. I think

139:47

wishing that you had a boy or a girl.

139:48

It's like the universe will give you

139:50

what it gives you.

139:51

>> Yeah, that's good.

139:52

>> Yeah. You don't want to like You don't

139:54

want to wish you had a boy when you had

139:56

a girl. Just appreciate the fact that

139:57

you have a

139:58

>> No, I don't I don't mean eliminate the

139:59

girls. God bless the three girls, but if

140:01

if you had one more, would it be cool to

140:03

have a boy?

140:04

>> I'm very happy. I don't think about it

140:06

that way. I don't think about it that

140:07

way.

140:07

>> You're a good dad.

140:08

>> Thank you.

140:09

That's something I picked up on you

140:11

today.

140:12

>> I think uh everybody should try.

140:14

>> Yeah.

140:15

>> If you're a dad, you got one shot at

140:16

this. One of the things that's really

140:17

nice for me is that I don't have to

140:19

travel as much because I have the club

140:20

here.

140:21

>> Yeah.

140:21

>> You know,

140:22

>> when they were young, I had to travel a

140:24

lot when they were really young cuz it's

140:26

like I wasn't making as much money and

140:28

it was like a little bit more difficult

140:30

>> and having uh the club where I don't

140:33

have to do standup somewhere else. I

140:34

don't have to go on the road all the

140:35

time. So, I'm only going on the road

140:37

occasionally for like the UFC and

140:38

>> Yeah. And you don't need to either.

140:40

>> Yeah. Just having fun.

140:41

>> So, you you done good, guy.

140:44

>> You too, buddy. It's nice to see Kill

140:45

Turney like make a completely different

140:49

career arc for all these people.

140:51

>> And you're one of them, you know?

140:52

>> It's It's

140:53

>> It's [ __ ] taking you to the

140:55

stratosphere. It's wild to watch.

140:56

>> It's sort of it's it's it's shone a new

140:58

light on my career. Yeah. It's sort of

141:01

revitalized it a bit. Yeah. you uh Rob

141:03

Schneider, Keratop, I mean there's you

141:07

the list goes on and on. There's Kyle

141:09

Dunigan. There's so many people that it

141:11

just [ __ ] launched them.

141:13

>> So cool. When Tony asked me to do it

141:17

>> uh two years ago, I'll be honest, I

141:20

didn't even know what it was.

141:21

>> That's hilarious.

141:22

>> I didn't know who Tony was. I'd never

141:23

met him. I knew nothing about it. I was

141:26

doing your club and they said, "Hey,

141:29

we're shooting tomorrow. Would you want

141:31

to stay an extra day?" And I said, "For

141:32

what?" They go, "Kill Tony." I said,

141:34

"What is it?" And I went on I had no

141:36

clue. I had no idea what it was.

141:38

>> Are you not online at all?

141:40

>> No, I didn't I didn't know anything

141:41

about that stuff.

141:43

>> How do you stay offline?

141:44

>> Well, I go online now cuz I started a

141:47

podcast. I'm trying to emulate you. But

141:49

you've been an inspiration. Thank you,

141:50

by the way. But I didn't know about all

141:52

that stuff. And so they asked me to go

141:54

on and I did my first set with Tony and

141:58

I think you watched it. It was the one

141:59

where I had the checkbook [laughter]

142:01

>> and then and then Tony when we when they

142:04

finished the show he goes, "Oh, you're

142:06

going to be guest of the year." I go,

142:07

"What are you talking about?" And then I

142:09

was guest of the year and then it just

142:11

sort of all this stuff. And now I'm

142:14

about to shoot a movie with Tony as my

142:16

star. I'm going to direct a movie with

142:17

>> Was it Madison Square Garden where you

142:19

were pulling the things out of your

142:20

pants?

142:20

>> Yeah, the limes. [laughter]

142:22

I said I had Lyme disease and I pulled

142:24

the limes out. Yeah.

142:26

>> What? You pull a trophy out of your

142:28

pants?

142:28

>> Yeah. Oscar. That's when [laughter] I

142:30

won guest of the year. I love to pull

142:32

stuff out of my pants, apparently.

142:34

>> What is the movie you and Tony are

142:35

doing?

142:36

>> So, uh, my next movie that I'm writing

142:38

and directing is called Rednecks.

142:41

And we're going to, uh, shoot in

142:43

September, October with Tony is the

142:45

Star. And I don't know if you do any

142:47

acting anymore, but I want to offer you

142:49

a part. I don't know if you're

142:50

interested.

142:52

>> Yeah. You don't like it

142:53

>> anymore? No.

142:54

>> You got no interest anymore. Maybe if I

142:56

could kill it for a day. Just run in and

142:58

do it in a day.

142:59

>> Really?

143:00

>> Yeah. Something easy.

143:02

>> Be fun to have you.

143:03

>> Where are you going to film it?

143:04

>> We're going to shoot in uh Florida and

143:06

Kentucky.

143:08

>> Jesus.

143:08

>> What if I got you for three days? Would

143:10

you

143:11

>> do?

143:12

>> We'll talk. Let's talk afterwards.

143:13

>> Okay.

143:13

>> I really don't like acting.

143:15

>> I know.

143:16

>> I don't have any time either. That's

143:17

also part of the problem.

143:19

>> Like time is uh my time is rationed.

143:21

>> I get it.

143:23

>> Yeah. Do you still have the passion to

143:25

act at all or No, as a Yeah,

143:27

>> I never really had it in the beginning.

143:28

>> Yeah.

143:29

>> I only did it for money.

143:30

>> Yeah.

143:30

>> Like, uh, I loved standup and I loved,

143:33

you know, going to clubs and doing and

143:35

then I got a development deal. It was

143:36

that simple.

143:37

>> And then all a sudden I'm on TV. I'm

143:39

like, "All right."

143:40

>> But it was good that I never had a dream

143:42

for it because then it I didn't have a

143:44

lot of anxiety about it.

143:45

>> Yeah.

143:46

>> You know, it was more like it was fun to

143:47

do.

143:48

>> Yeah. Me, too.

143:48

>> Because I was always like, I'm just

143:50

going to go do standup like this.

143:51

>> Yeah. I was the same way.

143:52

>> Yeah. It's better that way because the

143:54

people that like where it's their, "Oh

143:55

my god, it's happening." It's like so

143:57

overwhelming for them. Like I see people

144:00

have anxiety when they're about to do

144:01

their scenes and I was like, "Jesus,

144:03

man, [laughter]

144:04

>> chill out."

144:05

>> Well, we we're so used to performing in

144:07

front of audiences. Yeah.

144:08

>> That for some people the the moment like

144:11

for young actors, the moment when it's

144:13

like action and you walk in and then you

144:16

see that crowd, it it's overwhelming for

144:19

some people.

144:19

>> Yeah, it is. It's very hard for them to

144:21

find that comfort level that allows them

144:24

to perform at the level that they know

144:26

they can. Like they they might be really

144:28

good actors, but the feeling is so

144:31

overwhelming that they can't find the

144:33

rhythm.

144:34

>> You know what the opposite of that was

144:36

for me? And I don't know if you had this

144:38

experience. We were used to performing

144:41

in front of live audiences doing standup

144:43

where they're like reacting immediately.

144:46

We do a joke, they laugh. But now when

144:49

you're doing a movie or TV, suddenly

144:52

you're in front of an audience who are

144:54

cameramen and directors and make and

144:56

they just stand there. They don't laugh.

144:59

>> And that became like the opposite of

145:01

what we do. So when I first started

145:03

doing TV and movies, I'd get anxiety

145:05

because it's like, well, they're not

145:06

laughing. They're not reacting. They're

145:08

just standing there. It was all these

145:10

technical people. And that freaked me

145:12

out a little bit. But I had to overcome

145:14

that.

145:14

>> Yeah, that is weird. If you think it's

145:16

really funny and then you're saying it

145:18

and no one's

145:19

>> laugh cuz they're just making a movie,

145:22

>> right? Cuz it's not like the cameras are

145:24

there by themselves. There's people

145:26

behind the cameras and you're doing it

145:28

for

145:28

>> a crew like 50 people would be standing

145:30

there while you're doing a scene

145:32

>> with a cigarette in their hand, drinking

145:33

coffee, shaking their head,

145:34

>> checking notes. And did that throw you

145:37

when you first started?

145:38

>> Well, news radio luckily was in front of

145:40

an audience.

145:41

>> Yeah, that's true. So when you

145:43

>> but they were between the audience and

145:45

and you was all those people I was and

145:48

cameras.

145:49

>> Yeah. But the people laughed at all the

145:51

jokes if they were good, you know, if

145:53

they were good jokes. But so that that

145:55

was to me was like a different way of

145:57

delivering jokes,

145:58

>> you know. It was it was still it was

146:00

fun. It was I enjoyed it. I enjoyed the

146:03

sitcom, but the only way to do it right

146:05

is to have really good writers.

146:07

>> And that's hard to find, man. Like news

146:10

radio had that and really good

146:11

performers.

146:12

>> But if you're on a bad one, you're in

146:14

hell. You're in hell and you're just

146:16

collecting checks.

146:17

>> Yeah.

146:18

>> And you just check though.

146:19

>> Good check. That's the problem.

146:21

>> Yeah.

146:21

>> That's the problem. The Velvet Prison.

146:23

>> Yeah.

146:23

>> Those are the guys that wind up doing

146:25

drugs.

146:25

>> The guys that are on a show that they

146:27

hate.

146:27

>> Yeah.

146:28

>> They Yeah. You go straight two and a

146:30

half men. [ __ ] Charlie Shane in it.

146:33

>> It's part of it. Part of it is just like

146:35

you're in that lifestyle anyway, but

146:38

part of it is also like I don't want to

146:40

do this,

146:42

>> you know?

146:42

>> Yeah, I experienced that.

146:43

>> I don't want to do a sitcom. I'm bored.

146:46

I'm bored with these lame punchlines and

146:48

next thing you know, you're smoking

146:50

crack and

146:50

>> running from the cops.

146:52

>> You know what I realized too is with

146:53

these sitcoms,

146:55

it's they all keep borrowing the same

146:58

premise. Like I did three different

147:00

sitcoms and it's like, "Oh, now we're

147:02

doing the episode where uh the lead guy

147:07

is somehow dating an SNM queen and now

147:10

we're doing the episode where uh Jim

147:13

gets his car stolen." Like, you start to

147:16

realize like there's about 40 different

147:18

episodes, but they all just insert them

147:21

and sort of change them a little and

147:23

it's it's really very weird. It's like a

147:26

recipe.

147:26

>> So many premises, right?

147:28

>> Yeah. Right.

147:28

>> Yeah. It's Well, that's just the

147:30

uncreative ones. I mean, that's why Curb

147:32

Your Enthusiasm was so amazing,

147:34

>> right? They didn't repeat any premises.

147:35

That That show was [ __ ] incredibly

147:37

creative and and bizarre and no

147:39

audience.

147:40

>> That's right.

147:40

>> Another one. No audience.

147:42

>> Yeah.

147:42

>> But the ones the ones that that were

147:44

fresh were the ones that didn't. It was

147:46

more like the traditional sitcoms that

147:48

just plugged in the premises and it was

147:50

like

147:51

>> it's like, "Oh my god, I've already done

147:52

this." There's but there's something to

147:55

that form where it's done when it's done

147:57

really well. It is very enjoyable. It's

147:59

very comforting. Like I I always thought

148:01

like I saw clips of the Big Bang. I

148:03

never watched The Big Bang

148:04

>> until I started watching it with my kids

148:06

and I'm like this is a [ __ ] very

148:08

funny show. It's like a really good show

148:10

with like very defined characters. It's

148:12

really well made.

148:13

>> And I had this u prejudice of it I think

148:17

cuz I had seen some clips where they

148:19

were doing like retakes and there's no

148:21

audience. So they're saying the jokes

148:22

with no laughs behind them. It just

148:24

seems kind of lame. But everything seems

148:26

lame like that. Like retakes of News

148:29

Radio seemed lame, too, while we were

148:31

doing them.

148:31

>> Yeah.

148:32

>> But when I watched the show, I was like,

148:33

there's something comforting about this

148:35

kind of a show. And I wish they still

148:37

did them. They don't do them anymore.

148:39

>> They're dead. They're dying.

148:41

>> Miss Pat is the only one that I know of

148:42

that has uh an actual sitcom right now.

148:45

>> Like a three cam.

148:46

>> Mhm. She's got a live audience sitcom.

148:49

>> Wow. Yeah. I don't think anybody else

148:51

does. Or if they do, I don't know about

148:52

it. They used to be [ __ ] come as

148:54

[ __ ] man.

148:55

>> Yeah, that was that was the goal. That

148:57

was the dream to go get a sitcom.

148:59

>> But isn't it weird that we still enjoy

149:01

them?

149:02

>> Yeah.

149:02

>> But yet no one makes them anymore.

149:04

>> Yeah. I think they've been knocked out

149:06

of contention because they're so um set

149:09

up whereas we live in this world now

149:11

where people just scroll real life.

149:14

>> But why? Because dramas are still on TV.

149:16

There's still a million NCSI, whatever

149:19

the [ __ ] those shows are. You know what

149:21

I mean? There's a million of those

149:23

shows.

149:24

>> That's the Hulk.

149:25

>> Law and Order, Special Victims Unit,

149:26

there's a million of those shows.

149:28

>> So those kinds of same premise shows of

149:33

cops and lawyers and all that [ __ ]

149:35

those still exist. The medical examiner

149:37

shows, the forensic examiner show, those

149:40

shows exist. So, how come all these, you

149:43

know, there's a resurgence of rancher

149:46

shows now? Everyone's a rancher, right?

149:48

This 15 rancher shows now. So, those

149:51

shows exist, but no sitcoms.

149:53

>> As the Incredible Hunk Hulk once said,

149:55

me not know why.

149:57

>> I think it's a giant mistake cuz I think

150:00

you could make a sitcom right now,

150:02

whether Paramount Plus does it or one of

150:04

those organizations that streams, you

150:06

could make a great [ __ ] multicam

150:08

sitcom right now.

150:09

>> Yeah. I I I don't even turn on the TV

150:12

anymore, though. I think people are

150:14

being weaned right off of television.

150:16

We're in a transitional phase. I think

150:21

>> Dude, I rarely ever I when I used to go

150:24

on the road, I would check into a hotel

150:27

and turn on the TV right away. I don't

150:29

think I've turned on a hotel TV in about

150:32

six years

150:33

>> really.

150:34

>> I don't even turn it on. When I go home,

150:37

I watch my TV maybe once a month, if

150:40

that. I don't even look at it anymore.

150:43

>> So, do you look at your phone?

150:44

>> I look at my phone.

150:45

>> That's it.

150:46

>> That's it. It's bizarre. I'm even

150:48

weirded out by it. It's like, what am I

150:50

doing?

150:50

>> You never sit down and watch a movie.

150:52

>> Rarely. It's very rare.

150:53

>> Should do that. Should watch a movie.

150:55

>> I know.

150:56

>> They're very entertaining.

150:57

>> People should watch my new movie. Can I

150:59

say something about it?

151:00

>> You don't watch movies and you make

151:02

them?

151:03

>> Yeah. You know how [ __ ] crazy that

151:04

is?

151:05

>> Yeah.

151:06

>> What's wrong with you?

151:07

>> I'm crazy. I'm crazy. All right.

151:10

>> What is your new movie?

151:11

>> Do you mind me talking about it?

151:12

>> Please do.

151:13

>> Are you sure?

151:14

>> 100%.

151:15

>> I wrote, directed, and starred in a new

151:18

movie that just came out a few days ago

151:20

called Wingman,

151:22

and it's on streamers Apple TV, and it's

151:26

on Prime Prime Video.

151:29

And I play a crazy wingman that helps

151:32

people get laid.

151:35

>> Nice.

151:36

>> Yeah. And it's with Jamie Kennedy,

151:38

Russell Peters, Kayla Wallace, Evan

151:41

Marsh.

151:41

>> Oh, nice.

151:42

>> Shiva Nagar, and uh

151:44

>> Did you make this yourself?

151:46

>> Well, we made it with a with a studio

151:48

Stardust Pictures up in Canada with

151:50

David Lipper and Justin Lavine. And uh

151:52

it's a full-on full-on movie we we shot

151:56

up in Canada.

151:57

>> Nice.

151:57

>> Yeah. Really proud of it. And uh and I

152:01

hope people check it out. I hope you

152:03

check it out. Yeah,

152:04

>> I'll check it out if you promise to

152:05

watch movies every now and then

152:06

yourself.

152:07

>> I'll do it if you promise to be in my

152:09

next movie and we'll watch it together.

152:11

>> That's a lot.

152:12

>> It's an offer.

152:13

>> Okay,

152:13

>> we can talk.

152:14

>> Okay. I'm excited.

152:15

>> I'd love to see you get back in to do a

152:17

little acting.

152:18

>> I like that there are comedy movies

152:19

again. I really do. That's nice.

152:21

>> Well, that's the one with I'm going to

152:22

do with Tony is full on. That's why I'm

152:24

sort of asking you cuz I want to see you

152:26

get your comedy face in there again. Is

152:28

it about?

152:29

>> It's about a redneck culture.

152:32

>> And this is the part where you really

152:33

love it cuz I know you love vehicles.

152:36

>> It centers around something called a mud

152:38

bog where guys in Florida jack up their

152:41

pickup trucks and drive through mud for

152:44

3 days. It's not monster trucks. They

152:47

just drive through mud and jump and

152:49

spray. And then the other part of the

152:51

movie takes place in those airboats that

152:54

drive through all the marshes in

152:55

Florida. And you would be the mayor of

152:58

this town and get into it with Tony who

153:02

becomes one of these mugbod guys. So

153:04

you'd be around all this [ __ ]

153:06

>> Good lord. Florida is a different part

153:08

of

153:08

>> Isn't it wild?

153:10

>> Look at these [ __ ] cars. That's

153:11

crazy. Got an old Camaro.

153:13

>> Yeah. This is what they do. Tell me you

153:15

wouldn't like to be around that.

153:17

>> Scroll back up, please.

153:17

>> It's so fun.

153:20

>> So the movie

153:21

>> digging into the world of mud bogging in

153:24

North Central Florida. Yeah. So Tony's

153:27

going to be the uh the lead guy who

153:30

tries to win the whole mudbog thing, but

153:33

meanwhile the mayor, which would be you,

153:35

wants him out of town cuz he's such a

153:37

redneck. He doesn't like the culture.

153:39

>> Oh Jesus.

153:41

>> Look at that. [laughter]

153:44

>> Florida is so different.

153:46

>> It is such a different place.

153:48

>> Yeah.

153:48

>> God. [snorts]

153:49

>> So we're gonna have fun doing that. But

153:51

yeah, thank you for letting me mention

153:53

Wingman. Awesome. It's when you do an

153:55

indie uh project, it it helps to uh be

153:59

able to talk about it. So, thank you.

154:01

>> If you got an offer after this show to

154:03

do a sitcom, would you consider doing

154:05

it? And if someone said, "Listen, I

154:06

think we could bring back the multicam

154:08

sitcom."

154:09

>> But we want you to star in it, Haron.

154:12

>> I would if it was if it's all about the

154:14

material cuz me and you were older. I

154:17

think as we get older, it becomes about

154:19

how do we want to dedicate our time? I'm

154:21

not interested in just doing, oh, I got

154:23

a sitcom. It's got to have meaning to

154:25

me. Of course,

154:26

>> it's got to be something where I

154:28

>> But if you could help create it.

154:29

>> Oh, yeah.

154:30

>> That's what I'm saying. All those guys

154:32

that used to work work on all those

154:34

shows like Seinfeld and Friends and they

154:37

they have to still be out there in the

154:38

world.

154:39

>> Oh, yeah.

154:39

>> Isn't that nuts?

154:40

>> Yeah.

154:40

>> Like, can you imagine? Imagine back in

154:43

the 90s when everybody wanted a sitcom

154:45

when we were we were first coming up. If

154:47

you said, you know, one day there'll be

154:49

no more sitcoms, you'd be like, what the

154:51

[ __ ] are you talking about? You would

154:53

have never believed that. If you went

154:55

into these rooms where they they're

154:56

making Sex in the City and The Single

154:58

Guy and all these rooms, guys,

155:01

>> enjoy it while you can. Yeah. Because in

155:04

a couple of decades, there's going to be

155:05

zero sitcoms on television. They would

155:07

have just laughed.

155:08

>> Yeah.

155:08

>> They would have kicked you out of that

155:09

office. Get the [ __ ] out of here. You

155:11

don't know what you're talking about.

155:12

Meanwhile, that's true. Well, this is

155:14

why I love I hate I'm just going to go

155:16

back to it quickly. AI because it shows

155:18

were evolving, you know. Remember Joe,

155:20

at one point movies were black and

155:23

white. They didn't have sound.

155:25

>> Really?

155:26

>> Yeah. Yeah. They they were they and then

155:29

talkis came and color and digital and so

155:32

I love it that every form of our

155:35

entertainment is evolving and becoming

155:38

there's stuff going to come that we

155:39

don't even know, which I love.

155:41

>> Me, too.

155:41

>> Yeah. But I think sitcoms didn't have to

155:43

go away. That's what I'm saying.

155:45

>> Yeah, maybe not. But maybe so. Like the

155:47

new way. Like your daughters probably

155:49

don't want to sit down for half an hour.

155:51

>> They love sitcoms.

155:52

>> They do.

155:53

>> They watch old ones.

155:54

>> Okay. Well, I was wrong. I was really

155:56

wrong. I'm hurting.

155:58

>> Well, me and my youngest, we sat through

156:00

the entire season. I mean, the entire

156:02

all seasons of Big Bang Theory. That was

156:05

me and my family. We watched that one.

156:07

>> Yeah. my wife and my and then we watched

156:10

YoungSheldon which was the next version

156:12

of it.

156:13

>> Young Sheldon was really good. It was uh

156:15

it was a single cam show that was on

156:17

Netflix and it was Sheldon as a young

156:19

kid.

156:20

>> It was the genius kid as a young boy.

156:23

Very funny show but totally different

156:25

like really cute, sweet show

156:27

>> but not uh in front of a live audience.

156:30

And I think there's something I loved

156:33

doing news radio. I really did. Yeah.

156:35

And

156:36

>> but it was just because

156:38

>> it was an insanely talented cast and we

156:41

were all like brothers and sisters. We

156:43

were we had so much fun.

156:44

>> Family

156:45

>> for 5 years. We worked together and we

156:46

got drunk all the time and we It was so

156:48

silly. It was such a fun set.

156:50

>> It's like summer camp.

156:52

>> Yeah. It was really fun. It was really

156:53

And the show I think was really good.

156:55

>> Yeah, it did well.

156:56

>> And also, here's the best part. It was

156:57

never really successful,

156:59

>> which was great because none of us got

157:00

really rich or famous from that show. It

157:03

was really it was it was always like not

157:05

doing so well in the ratings. We got

157:07

moved nine times in five years. And this

157:09

was back back before the internet. So

157:11

you couldn't like send out a tweet, hey,

157:13

we're on Sunday nights now.

157:14

>> Wow.

157:14

>> You know, and this was back also when

157:16

nobody had

157:17

>> this. I just saw this trailer the other

157:18

day. This is a spin-off from Big Bang

157:20

Theory, but it's not a like, you know,

157:22

in front of an audience sitcom and it's

157:25

not multicam either, I suppose, but was

157:28

popping up.

157:29

>> Oh no [ __ ]

157:30

>> Yeah. It's called Steuart Fails to Save

157:33

the Universe,

157:35

>> but it's a new show, you know. It's a

157:38

comedy. It is a 30-minute show kind of

157:40

>> in that universe.

157:42

>> Yeah. Yeah. Even like the the logo is

157:44

like got the same kind of

157:46

>> Wow. It's on HBO. Yeah. Nice.

157:48

>> Wild.

157:49

>> Yeah.

157:50

>> Huh.

157:52

Who's created more bangers than that

157:53

Chuck Lori guy?

157:54

>> Oh my god. Yeah.

157:56

>> That guy's created so many big sitcoms.

157:59

Big Bang The What's that?

158:00

>> An article he wrote or I just read

158:02

interviewing him said that those shows

158:03

kind of died because like The Office and

158:05

uh Curb kind of killed it

158:07

>> for a while. Single camera, no audience.

158:10

>> Yeah.

158:11

>> I'm also thinking I wouldn't want to go

158:13

sit and watch a taping of a show right

158:15

now.

158:16

>> How much would they have to pay an

158:17

audience to do that?

158:19

>> Right.

158:19

>> Well, you only have to pay the audience

158:20

until the show becomes successful.

158:22

>> True. Yeah. I guess people would want to

158:23

go.

158:23

>> Yeah. You don't really want a paid

158:25

audience cuz they're not as much fun.

158:27

Like news radio in the beginning, nobody

158:29

knew who the [ __ ] we were. But by season

158:31

3, the audience was news radio fans.

158:33

Yeah.

158:33

>> And it became a totally different thing.

158:34

It was really fun. And Phil Hartman used

158:36

to do standup.

158:37

>> Oh, nice.

158:38

>> He had talked about doing standup in the

158:40

clubs, but he would do he was really

158:41

good at impressions. He would do Bill

158:43

Clinton impressions and he had bits. He

158:45

had little things he would run

158:46

>> and he would just do it for fun. And you

158:48

know, we had talked about him actually

158:49

doing it in clubs and he thought about

158:51

doing it. Um, but it was the whole thing

158:54

was silly. Like Andy Dick would address

158:57

the audience. He would they people would

158:59

answer questions. We had a good warm-up

159:00

guy. It was like a party that was going

159:02

on. Everybody had a great time. And that

159:05

was after the show, you know, caught its

159:07

gear. But it never was popular until it

159:10

became syndicated.

159:11

>> Then was in syndication. Then it became

159:13

really popular.

159:14

>> At least yours was sort of popular.

159:16

Every every week they'd put out the top

159:18

100. And my sitcom was always number 99

159:23

or 100. So at least yours was probably

159:26

up in the top 30. No. One day Lou Morton

159:30

Lou Morton was one of our writers and

159:31

Lou every week would show up with a a

159:34

t-shirt with a number on it that he

159:36

would draw with magic marker of what we

159:38

were. And one day he showed up and it

159:39

said 88. I go 88. He goes, "Yep." I go,

159:42

"No." He goes, "Yeah." I go, "Fuck,

159:45

[groaning] dude. I was a hundred every

159:47

week.

159:49

>> Wow. What network were you on?

159:51

>> The WB.

159:52

>> We were on NBC.

159:54

>> Yeah. Okay. So WB didn't have affiliates

159:57

all across the C. We only had like 60%.

159:59

>> 88 at NBC is you're barely alive. But

160:02

still 100.

160:04

>> Yeah. 100.

160:05

>> Well, they always tell us, don't worry.

160:06

We're not worried about the numbers. We

160:08

know you got to find your audience

160:09

again. Now you're on Monday night.

160:11

>> You used to be on Sunday. And one time

160:14

we were on Thursday night. We were in

160:15

the Friends sandwich. So it was Friends

160:18

and Seinfeld which Paul Sims the

160:20

executive producer of news radio famous

160:22

called the [ __ ] sandwich because in

160:24

between friends and Seinfeld you would

160:27

have like Caroline in the city and these

160:29

shows that weren't as good.

160:31

>> Do you want to hear about Salt in the

160:33

Wound?

160:34

>> Yeah.

160:35

>> So mine was show was number 100. Okay.

160:38

It was called Simon. It was me. I was

160:41

the star. I played Simon. Jason Baitman

160:44

played my brother.

160:46

>> Look at that.

160:47

>> And the lead girl, Andrea Bendlewald, we

160:51

ended up dating. She became my

160:54

girlfriend. Her best friend was Jennifer

160:57

Aniston. She lived with Jennifer. So I

161:00

would go and stay at Jennifer's house

161:02

every night with my girlfriend. We were

161:05

like Thre's Company. And I'd have to sit

161:07

there and watch Friends with Jennifer,

161:10

the number one show, while me and Andrea

161:12

were at the bottom at [laughter] number

161:14

100. It was like, oh, I mean, Love

161:18

Jennifer was so happy. But talk about

161:20

salt in the wound. It was like, oh,

161:23

damn. Isn't it crazy though? But you're

161:25

on TV. You're living the dream. This is

161:27

one of

161:27

>> It was great. It was great.

161:29

>> The earliest social media was the the

161:33

Variety magazine and the Hollywood

161:35

Reporter. That was like the same thing

161:37

where these people would compare

161:38

themselves to everybody else and they

161:40

would look at the rankings and I would

161:41

show up on the set and you know like all

161:44

these people loved to read those things

161:46

and they were reading those things and I

161:48

started calling them the devil's rag. I

161:49

go why are you reading the devil's rag?

161:51

I go because they were we were

161:52

complaining like I can't believe we're

161:53

number 36. If we were on, you know,

161:55

Thursday night we would be number two or

161:57

number one or whatever. And I go last

161:59

time I checked I'm on TV.

162:01

>> Yeah.

162:02

>> I go we're on TV. We're on TV on NBC.

162:05

There's not a lot of people that get to

162:06

be on TV.

162:07

>> Like, this is great. We're living the

162:09

dream. So, we're not number one. Like,

162:11

you guys are reading that and you're

162:12

forgetting how many people that you're

162:14

friends with that are going on auditions

162:15

right now that would kill to be on NBC.

162:18

But it's the devil's rag. It's the same

162:20

thing that happens with, you know, you

162:21

say, "Oh, I just got a new car. I'm

162:23

pretty happy." And then, "Oh, Jeff Bezos

162:25

got a yacht. Fuck."

162:27

>> I'll be honest, [clears throat] I was

162:29

like you. I was like, I'm on TV. But I

162:32

gotta tell you as we got deeper into the

162:34

season

162:35

and I had to sit there beside Jennifer

162:37

Aniston

162:39

and watch her number one show every week

162:42

and old 100 is sitting beside her. I

162:45

gotta say it it it started to seep in

162:48

where you're just like [ __ ] I'm on TV,

162:51

you know? It's sort of like there were

162:53

days when it was just you could feel it.

162:54

Not blaming her, but just the business.

162:57

It was it was hard to sit at one end and

163:00

see the other. But it that's the way it

163:01

works.

163:02

>> It's the way it is. But you got to

163:04

really just be happy to run.

163:06

>> Great. You're winning the lottery.

163:07

>> Yeah. You you won the lottery. You just

163:09

didn't win the mega power ball.

163:11

>> Yeah. And I loved it. I I got to work

163:13

with Jason and I, you know, I was the

163:15

star of my I came from the suburbs of

163:17

Toronto. Never thought I'd do anything.

163:20

Here I'm I got the I'm the star of my

163:22

own sitcom, Simon. I'm like, this is

163:24

unbelievable.

163:25

>> Yeah. It's I share your attitude. Yeah.

163:28

>> Yeah.

163:29

>> And there's a lot of them that don't

163:30

work, man.

163:31

>> Yeah. I was on the set and we were there

163:34

like so you'd go like Sunset Gower and

163:37

there'd be a bunch of other places that

163:38

were next to you and I'd go visit with

163:40

all those guys cuz like a lot of them

163:42

were my like Lenny Clark Lenny Clark was

163:44

right down the street. He was on the the

163:46

John Larette show. Do you remember that?

163:49

>> Yeah. I got a little story about that

163:51

when you're done. I'll tell you. Tell

163:52

me.

163:52

>> Are you sure? You don't want to finish?

163:54

>> Did John Larat yell at you?

163:55

>> So before I got my own sitcom, so I was

163:58

in Hollywood. I did two auditions. I did

164:01

one for Ellen DeGeneres's first show was

164:04

called These Friends of Mine and I was a

164:06

guest star on the show with Molly

164:08

Shannon.

164:09

And then my second audition was for the

164:12

John Larette show and I went in and

164:15

auditioned and the feedback to my agents

164:19

was John said this guy wants his own

164:21

sitcom and I said to my agents I said

164:24

you're damn right I do. And the next gig

164:26

I got was my own sitcom.

164:29

Chick was pretty cool.

164:30

>> So, you think he didn't like you because

164:32

you wanted your own sitcom or he thought

164:33

you were too good for his show because

164:35

you want your own sitcom?

164:36

>> I think he must have sensed I walked in

164:38

there with attitude or cockiness, which

164:40

I didn't. I just did the audition. But

164:42

he must have been reading my vibe

164:44

somehow.

164:44

>> Well, that's you.

164:45

>> Yeah. So,

164:46

>> well, people that don't, that's how you

164:47

walk like people that don't y this

164:50

Harlon, you've always been like this.

164:52

>> I have. From the moment I met you,

164:54

>> you've always been like this very happy,

164:57

very confident guy. You never look

164:59

rattled to do a show. You always looked

165:01

like you're having a good [ __ ] time.

165:03

>> Oh yeah.

165:03

>> All of us like there was moments where

165:05

everyone had a big show and you're like

165:07

[ __ ] real nervous. You were never like

165:09

that. No,

165:09

>> you were always like happy golucky.

165:12

Yeah.

165:12

>> I don't know one person that doesn't

165:14

like you.

165:15

>> Oh wow.

165:16

>> Do you know how crazy that is?

165:18

>> I'm not even married.

165:19

>> But do you know how crazy that is? Like

165:20

I know every comic that I know has a

165:23

comic that they don't get along with

165:25

that they hate.

165:26

>> Someone hates them or they hate them or

165:28

there's some [ __ ] [ __ ] that guy. That

165:30

guy's a piece of [ __ ] His comedy sucks.

165:32

No one says that about you.

165:34

>> Do you know how amazing that is?

165:36

>> That's I'm That's a

165:37

>> We were talking about that in the green

165:38

room one day. We were talking about in

165:39

the green room cuz it was after you came

165:42

on with Dimmitri. I was I [laughter]

165:43

told everybody I was howling. He waited

165:45

the whole show before he pulled his

165:46

[ __ ] snake out of his pants. By the

165:48

[snorts] way, that snake sat right in

165:50

front of Donald Trump when he was here.

165:52

>> I loved it. I told you that.

165:53

>> I know you did. Um, so that conversation

165:57

that we had in the green room was like,

165:58

"Who the [ __ ] do you know that doesn't

166:00

like Harlon?" And we all sat around and

166:01

talked about it. There's no one.

166:02

>> A

166:03

>> you are you are like the most un

166:06

universally loved comedian that I know.

166:08

>> Oh my god.

166:08

>> I have to defend Tony to everybody.

166:10

>> Yeah. Tony. [laughter] Yeah.

166:12

>> HE'S A GREAT GUY.

166:13

>> He's a great guy. Yeah,

166:15

>> it's just like in that world you have to

166:16

understand the roast world. Like that is

166:18

not the real world, kids.

166:20

>> That is you're going for blood, you

166:23

know? Like if you're in a cage fight and

166:25

you elbow someone in the face, it's not

166:27

because you're a bad person. That is the

166:30

job. That's the game we're playing.

166:31

>> If you don't do it, you're you're you're

166:34

letting yourself down. You've got to go

166:36

in and fight. Yeah.

166:37

>> That's the game we're playing. These are

166:38

the rules that we're under. We're all

166:40

talking [ __ ] you know.

166:41

>> Yeah. It's uh

166:42

>> and so when you see people complain

166:44

about it. Yeah. I say I understand the

166:46

general public that's not aware what

166:48

roasts are because the reality of roasts

166:50

are especially for like if you're a 22-y

166:52

old kid. The last time there were roasts

166:54

on television before the Tom Brady bro

166:56

was literally 10 years ago.

166:58

>> Yeah.

166:58

>> Like do you remember the Charlie Sheen

166:59

roast, the Donald Trump roast, the

167:01

Comedy Central roast? They used to have

167:02

them all the time.

167:03

>> All the time.

167:03

>> They were a long time ago.

167:05

>> Yeah.

167:05

>> It's a long time in the zeitgeist,

167:07

right? So those things don't exist to

167:09

kids. to kids. Comedy is joking about

167:12

stuff. Comedy is Chris Rock. Comedy is

167:14

Kevin Hart. Comedy is Louis C. That's

167:17

what they think of comedy is. They don't

167:18

under They don't even understand the

167:20

jokes like that. This is roast jokes are

167:23

[ __ ] mean. They've always been

167:25

[ __ ] mean.

167:26

>> They can be cruel, too.

167:27

>> Personal, ruthless. Go back and watch

167:30

all those old Comedy Central roast. They

167:32

were [ __ ] brutal. They were brutal.

167:34

Patrice would just eviscerate the entire

167:36

[ __ ] stadium.

167:38

those things. The thing is like if

167:41

you're a person and you're not

167:43

accustomed to roast and you don't get

167:45

why those jokes are so mean, I get it.

167:48

But comedians,

167:50

comedians that are getting upset about

167:52

these roast jokes, [ __ ] all the way off.

167:56

Just [ __ ] all the way off. You [ __ ]

167:58

traitor. You know what this is. You know

168:01

exactly what this is. You're a [ __ ]

168:03

traitor. You're just using this moment

168:05

to try to boost yourself up to try to

168:08

like knock down what's happening in

168:10

these. You could disagree with the

168:12

content. You could say, "I think they

168:13

went too far with this. I don't think."

168:15

But the this this [ __ ] pretending

168:17

that these people are actual racists and

168:20

Nazis just because they're telling these

168:22

jokes that are in a roast. Like, [ __ ]

168:24

all the way off.

168:25

>> Yeah. Don't suit up. Go out and play

168:27

hockey if you don't want to play hockey.

168:29

Like, sit on the bench. And don't don't

168:32

badmouth the people playing hockey.

168:34

Yeah, it is what it is. And

168:36

>> that's the game. That's the game we're

168:38

playing. We're playing this ruthless.

168:39

And by the way, you know who didn't have

168:41

a problem with it? Kevin [ __ ] Hart.

168:43

>> Kevin [ __ ] Hart has defended every

168:45

single person that said horrible [ __ ]

168:47

about him about him being lynched from a

168:49

bonsai tree and all the craziest [ __ ]

168:51

that they said.

168:52

>> Well, you know who else didn't have a

168:53

problem with it is the people, the

168:55

corporations that put it on corporate

168:57

television on corporate airwaves. So

169:00

there's a whole subsection of the

169:03

foundation of where these the platform

169:05

that they're given. They didn't care

169:07

about it either or they wouldn't do it.

169:08

So

169:09

>> well they knew from the Tom Brady Roast

169:11

how powerful those things are now. The

169:12

Tom Brady Roast was the number one

169:14

watched thing in Netflix history.

169:17

>> Wow.

169:17

>> There more than 55 million people watch

169:19

that thing. I got to say I'm not the

169:21

hugest fan cuz I don't love cruel humor

169:24

as much. But but I do love it that that

169:27

Tom Brady roast I feel like it kicked

169:30

wokeness over the cliff like those

169:32

Buffalo. We were getting so woke and we

169:35

needed that roast to sort of course

169:38

correct.

169:38

>> There's two things that killed woke.

169:40

Number one,

169:41

>> Kid Rock gunned down a whole [ __ ]

169:45

stack of Bud Lights.

169:46

>> I [laughter] love that.

169:47

>> That That was it.

169:48

>> That was so good. That might have been

169:50

it.

169:50

>> Oh, that was gorgeous.

169:51

>> That might have been it because then

169:52

they got to see the real financial

169:55

consequences of being [ __ ] completely

169:57

insane

169:58

>> that people were fed up. They're like

170:00

enough. And Kid Rock saying, "Fuck you,

170:02

Annheiser Bush." Like, that is

170:05

>> that's a big hit to the stock price. And

170:07

then people realize, oh,

170:09

>> this is a micro set of people that are

170:12

very loud, but it's not the macro. It's

170:14

not it's not it's not the general

170:16

population.

170:16

>> It's even smaller than micro. It's it's

170:19

like micro micro.

170:20

>> Not only that, but the people that were

170:21

in it, a lot of them abandoned ship.

170:24

>> Yeah.

170:24

>> A lot of them abandoned ship.

170:26

>> Virtue signaling is done.

170:28

>> They just real they got caught up in a

170:30

thing that was like the way people were

170:31

behaving and so they imitated what was

170:33

going on in their social groups. It's a

170:35

normal thing that people do, but it just

170:37

it wasn't rational and that's why it got

170:40

shot down by Kid Rock.

170:41

>> By the way, what kind of gun did he use?

170:43

I don't know guns. I bet you know what

170:45

he used.

170:45

>> I think he used an AR. Go back and look

170:48

at it. It's a assault rifle.

170:50

>> Is it like like automatic?

170:51

>> Semi-automatic. I mean, maybe he used an

170:53

automatic. He's in Tennessee. They have

170:55

some solid gun laws.

170:56

>> He just blasted away.

170:57

>> You kind of have whatever you want.

170:58

>> How many in a clip for an AR? Do you

171:00

know?

171:00

>> It's called a magazine. And uh see, I

171:03

don't know Canadian. I don't know

171:04

anything about guns. They vary.

171:06

>> A magazine.

171:07

>> They took all your guns up there in

171:08

Canada.

171:09

>> Well, we never had

171:09

>> What is he What is he shooting there?

171:12

>> Wow. Look at that.

171:13

>> Yeah. Let's see. Let's see the video of

171:15

him doing it and I can kind of tell you

171:16

better.

171:17

>> That's wild. [laughter]

171:19

>> Kid Rock shoots back at Bud Light. How

171:21

many views does this have?

171:24

How many views this video have?

171:26

>> Some news reporting of it. I don't mean

171:28

He didn't post it on YouTube.

171:29

>> Look at this.

171:32

[laughter]

171:32

>> Oh man.

171:35

>> Okay. Uh that's an AR. I think

171:37

>> that's the magazine.

171:38

>> But it might be it might be a fully

171:40

automatic.

171:41

>> That's not a clip. Let me hear it,

171:43

please.

171:45

>> Yeah, I think that's fully automatic.

171:46

Yeah, that's fully automatic, 100%.

171:48

>> Wow.

171:49

>> So, he has uh some kind of machine gun.

171:55

>> I want to go I want to shoot up a

171:57

six-pack of Dr. Pepper just for fun. I

172:00

love Dr. Pepper, but now I want to shoot

172:02

a some pop.

172:03

>> Why don't you just go shoot something

172:04

you don't like? Cuz it's kind of

172:06

symbolic of something you're trying to

172:08

kill.

172:08

>> Wolves.

172:09

>> Yeah,

172:10

>> I love wolves. You want to shoot a wolf?

172:13

We're not going back to the wolf.

172:14

>> Depends on where they are. Listen, if

172:15

wolves are in the mountains and they're

172:17

just being wolves and they're eating elk

172:18

and deer and I'm all for wolves. I'm not

172:21

an anti-wolf person,

172:22

>> but I think you shouldn't bring them

172:24

into residential neighborhoods and drop

172:26

them off in ranches. I think that's

172:28

[ __ ] ridiculous.

172:29

>> I'm bringing you back.

172:30

>> But I think that wolves in the wild are

172:32

important. I'm not an anti-wolf person.

172:35

I just don't like people doing what I

172:37

call ballot box biology where you get

172:39

people to decide by voting that are

172:41

never going to experience these wolves.

172:43

Do you think we should reintroduce

172:44

wolves to Colorado? And all these people

172:46

that just got back from Whole Foods like

172:48

yeah that would be amazing. I heard it's

172:50

going to help the sprouts grow and they

172:52

they vote yes. And then these poor lambs

172:55

are getting eaten alive.

172:57

>> Have you shot a wolf?

172:58

>> No. No. I don't want to hunt wolves. I

173:00

don't I mean I would shoot a wolf if I

173:02

thought the wolf was like endangering my

173:03

family or trying to kill my dog or

173:05

something like that, but I love wolves.

173:07

I don't not like wolves. I think they're

173:09

awesome. I think they're awesome.

173:11

>> Have you ever heard a wolf howl in the

173:12

wild?

173:14

>> No.

173:14

>> It's very haunting. It's very ghostly.

173:17

Even more I know you've heard coyotes.

173:19

>> Mhm.

173:20

>> But a wolf has this long howl. It's

173:22

almost

173:24

>> I can see why Native Americans are so

173:26

spiritually connected to it. It's very

173:28

ghostly and

173:29

>> Oh, yeah.

173:30

>> It's spiritual almost. It's a very in a

173:32

beautiful sound.

173:34

>> No, they're amazing animals. But

173:38

>> that was pretty good.

173:40

>> Sort of like that.

173:53

>> Do you know if you do that? I had a

173:55

friend who had

173:56

>> Sorry, I slipped. I had a friend who had

173:58

wolves and if you do that in his house,

173:59

they start howling.

174:01

>> Yeah, they go nuts.

174:02

>> Yeah. I would go over his house and and

174:08

>> father.

174:10

>> Wild. What a wild animal.

174:12

>> What a crazy noise. That Look, they're

174:15

incredible.

174:15

>> They're incredible.

174:17

>> That's That's so awesome.

174:21

>> I saw one in the wild.

174:23

>> They're important to keep populations. I

174:25

just don't think you should reintroduce

174:27

him to [ __ ] Aspen, you [ __ ]

174:30

>> It might be fun to see a pack of Timbers

174:32

taking down a skier.

174:34

>> Like Charlie Sheen coming down the hill

174:36

with Denise Richards and

174:38

>> 12 Timberwolves like take them down. And

174:41

>> there was a movie.

174:42

>> Rip out their

174:43

>> There was a movie about that called

174:44

Frozen. Not like the Let It Go, let it

174:47

go.

174:47

>> Oh yeah, it was with Liam Niss.

174:49

>> No, that was the Gray. The The Frozen

174:52

movie is someone movies. It's a hor I

174:55

know all the wolf movies. It's a horror

174:57

movie about these kids that are uh

175:00

skiing and they get stuck on a ski lift

175:02

because they forget they're up there and

175:04

there's wolves down there, okay?

175:05

>> And they get killed. So, the guy falls

175:07

and his legs break

175:08

>> and then the wolves come and get them.

175:10

>> See, you're going to get mad at me, but

175:12

I don't. A movie like this one scare me

175:14

because I just know wolves to be

175:16

skittish like this.

175:17

>> You're out of your mind. Yeah. You don't

175:19

know what you're talking about if you're

175:20

injured.

175:20

>> Like lions,

175:22

uh, leopards, jaguars, like, forget it.

175:25

They'll take you down. But

175:27

>> my experience with wolves is they're

175:29

more skittish around humans. But I don't

175:31

want to get into it again. We can go to

175:33

Arby's later and have a fight.

175:34

>> If you have a broken leg like that guy

175:36

did in this movie,

175:37

>> they're bleeding [clears throat] and

175:38

they can smell it. They're tearing them

175:39

apart right now. Look at Watch. Watch

175:41

it. They're eating them. They're eating

175:42

them.

175:43

>> They're killing the man.

175:44

>> Is that Denise Richards?

175:45

>> No.

175:45

>> No. It looks like Drew Barry.

175:48

>> Spoiler alert, they live.

175:50

>> Also, spoiler alert, no wolves in New

175:52

Hampshire. It's all [ __ ]

175:53

>> Oh, yeah. There probably was at one

175:55

point.

175:55

>> Yeah, they killed them all because they

175:57

were killing people and livestock.

175:58

>> Yeah.

175:59

>> Yeah.

176:00

>> Idiots.

176:00

>> You know how they killed them, too? Most

176:01

of them they poisoned. What they would

176:03

do is they would inject strick nine into

176:05

horses and leave the horse carcass and

176:07

eat it and then they would all die.

176:08

>> Wow. They did a lot of trapping, too.

176:10

Those cruel

176:11

>> the uh Oh, yeah. The snap traps.

176:13

>> Yep. They did that, too. I knew some old

176:16

uh trap guys up when I worked up north

176:19

and uh these guys, you might not want to

176:22

hear this, but the way they'd take them

176:24

out is they'd trap them in the leg traps

176:27

and then they didn't want to damage the

176:29

pelt. So then they walk up to them while

176:31

they're trapped and they just clunk

176:33

them. They club them to death.

176:35

>> I like how they club seals like back.

176:37

Yeah.

176:37

>> Horrible.

176:38

>> Yeah, that's I don't like that.

176:40

>> The clubbing seals, man, was rough. I

176:42

saw some rough. You ever see those

176:43

videos? And the seals.

176:44

>> God,

176:45

>> at least a wolf would run away. These

176:47

seals, they're just laying out

176:49

sunbathing. And they walk up and just

176:51

bam, smack and pop their skulls.

176:53

>> I know. And you're doing that for their

176:55

fur.

176:55

>> And the babies, they'd smack the babies

176:57

cuz they had that beautiful white fur.

177:00

>> Oh my gosh.

177:02

>> These things are like a chromosome away

177:03

from being a sex toy. They're so cute.

177:07

[groaning] Wow.

177:09

[laughter]

177:13

>> [sighs]

177:13

>> Wolves are good.

177:14

>> Yeah.

177:15

>> You just don't want them in your

177:16

neighborhood. They They should be in the

177:17

woods.

177:18

>> I love them. I' I wouldn't mind if they

177:20

were around.

177:21

>> You say that.

177:23

You say that. Do you have a dog?

177:25

>> I've had them.

177:26

>> What if you came out and your dog was

177:28

getting eaten alive by wolves? Cuz they

177:30

eat dogs.

177:30

>> I lost a co one of my dogs to coyotes.

177:33

Yeah.

177:34

>> I remember the day you told me your pit

177:35

bull went up and took out a whole squad

177:37

of coyotes.

177:38

>> No, no, no. It wasn't my pit bull.

177:40

>> Oh, I thought it was yours.

177:40

>> No, no, no. Your neighbors. It was one

177:43

of my friends who worked at a pet store

177:46

who was also worked at a veterinarian's

177:48

office. Okay. And he told me the story

177:50

about this pitbull that came into the

177:51

veterinarian's office. It was covered in

177:52

cuts. A big pit. Okay. Yeah. You told me

177:55

this like like 10 15 years ago.

177:58

>> Yeah. It was like one of those, you

177:59

know, they there's there's these

178:01

companies that um take pitbulls and they

178:03

breed them and make them like 120 lbs.

178:05

They keep breeding them bigger and

178:06

bigger. This was one of those. This

178:08

thing was a [ __ ] tank.

178:09

>> Like a tank. And he said it was covered

178:12

in cuts. And they asked the guy like,

178:14

"What happened?" He goes, "I don't know.

178:16

You know, I came home. He was all [ __ ]

178:17

up and bleeding."

178:18

>> So he brings him in, they stitch him up.

178:20

And then the guy follows the blood trail

178:22

out into the hills and he finds nine

178:24

dead coyotes.

178:25

>> Yeah, I remember you told me that. We

178:26

were at the store one night and you told

178:28

me that you just heard it. I was like,

178:30

"Wow,

178:30

>> that is the nuttiest."

178:31

>> That story stayed with me cuz it was so

178:33

like crazy.

178:34

>> He said he went there. He said it looked

178:35

like Vietnam. He goes, "There was just

178:37

their necks were torn apart. Their

178:39

[ __ ] legs were broken because this

178:41

pit bull once he grabs a hold of them he

178:42

just starts shaking them. Coyotes weigh

178:44

like 30 pounds.

178:45

>> Yeah. They're not super big.

178:46

>> But they would do this thing where they

178:48

would like corner an animal and they

178:51

would trick it. And the way they would

178:52

trick it, they would send one animal out

178:53

there to get chased.

178:55

>> And so that the dog would chase it and

178:58

they would all come in sides and tear it

179:00

apart.

179:00

>> Yeah. They were really smart that way.

179:02

>> They [ __ ] with the wrong dude.

179:04

>> Yeah. Wow. Isn't that a crazy story? I I

179:07

remember that one you told me that I was

179:08

like that's crazy.

179:10

>> Yeah.

179:11

>> Wow.

179:12

>> Yeah. There are everywhere now. They're

179:15

in

179:15

>> Coyotes are everywhere.

179:16

>> Everywhere.

179:17

>> Yeah. Oh, yeah.

179:18

>> They're They're really cool, too. Coyote

179:21

America, that book by Dan Flores, the

179:22

same guy who wrote Bison Ecology, Bison

179:25

Diplomacy,

179:26

>> he wrote this amazing book about coyotes

179:29

where he explains like why they're

179:30

everywhere. Cuz greywolves and coyotes

179:34

don't breed, but red wolves and coyotes

179:36

do. That's why you have those koi wolves

179:38

on the east coast.

179:39

>> Yeah.

179:40

>> Greywolves have always killed coyotes.

179:42

>> Yeah.

179:42

>> So when greywolves find coyotes, they

179:44

kill them. And so coyotes are used to

179:46

being persecuted by the greywolves and

179:48

then they just keep moving to new

179:49

places. That's what they do. So that's

179:51

how they made it all the way across the

179:53

country.

179:53

>> So when people were killing coyotes or

179:55

people were trying to hunt coyotes, they

179:57

just moved. They just moved to new

179:59

places.

179:59

>> Yeah. They can adapt. I see them in my

180:02

front lawn almost every other week.

180:04

>> Yeah, they're everywhere.

180:05

>> Yeah, I'm in the Hollywood Hills and

180:06

they're I see them walking right past my

180:09

swimming pool.

180:10

>> I mean, it's not cool if you have a dog

180:11

or a cat. They will eat them. But they

180:13

they are cool. They're it's a cool

180:15

animal.

180:16

>> They're really cool.

180:17

>> And they're they're howls are wild, too.

180:20

These yips in the middle of night.

180:22

>> Well, they go off sometimes if there's a

180:25

a fire engine goes by in Hollywood.

180:28

Yeah, the the coyotes will react to it

180:29

and go off.

180:30

>> They also keep the rats down. Like

180:32

that's why you don't see a lot of rats.

180:34

They keep the rat population down.

180:36

>> Oh yeah.

180:37

>> If they if they killed off all the

180:38

coyotes, it would have a devastating

180:40

effect for the ecosystem, too. There

180:41

would be a bunch of [ __ ] that would be

180:43

around all the time now that they're

180:44

killing and eating.

180:45

>> Yeah. Yeah. No, they're they're cool

180:48

animals, man. There was a a girl,

180:51

speaking of being killed by wolves,

180:53

there was a girl in Prince Edward Island

180:55

about about 12 years ago, I think,

180:58

killed by coyotes.

180:58

>> She got killed by a pack of coyotes.

181:00

>> She was out running with her Walkman on

181:02

and

181:03

>> she was like a promising folk singer.

181:05

>> Yeah.

181:06

>> They said that those coyotes were

181:08

unusual because they were used to

181:09

killing moose.

181:11

>> Killing moose. Yeah. The coyotes would

181:13

literally they were going after bigger

181:15

game because there wasn't a lot of game

181:16

there. So they were used to packing

181:18

together and like taking out the moose

181:20

by like attacking their legs.

181:22

>> Yeah.

181:22

>> Keep cutting at their legs

181:24

>> until they can't run.

181:26

>> Wow. I've never heard of coyotes taking

181:28

out a moose. That's wild.

181:29

>> Yeah. We we looked it up on the show.

181:31

Like this was a very unusual area.

181:33

>> Strange. Yeah.

181:34

>> And it's one of the reasons why they

181:35

think these coyotes killed this girl.

181:37

And she wasn't big. She was small.

181:38

>> Yeah. She was out jogging. Yeah.

181:40

>> But that's the thing, man. They they

181:42

they don't have rules. They don't like,

181:44

well, we don't [ __ ] with people and

181:46

people don't [ __ ] with us.

181:47

>> But the orcas seem to they seem to

181:49

understand what we are. They've saved

181:51

people even out in the wild. Like people

181:53

that fell overboard, they've saved them.

181:55

Yeah. Isn't it strange that such a

181:58

probably the top predator in the sea

182:00

next to the sperm whale, the killer

182:04

whale could take whatever it wants.

182:06

>> Yeah.

182:06

>> And somehow instinctively it leaves

182:09

humans alone. I I don't really

182:12

understand it. And that's why I talk

182:14

about sort of the programming of nature

182:16

to step around humans somehow because it

182:20

doesn't make sense. Humans look like

182:22

seals with the same body shape, the same

182:25

weight pretty much. And yet orcas,

182:27

there's no documented kill of a human on

182:30

by an orca.

182:31

>> I know. Other than worlds, right? Well,

182:34

they're so smart and their brains are

182:36

huge. They're have huge brains. We just

182:39

equate intelligence with your ability to

182:41

manipulate your environment. Like, so

182:43

they don't have a house, they don't have

182:44

cell phones. They must be idiots.

182:46

>> But we don't know. And they they clearly

182:48

understand that we're different than

182:49

everything else.

182:50

>> But that's what I mean. All I think all

182:52

the critters do.

182:54

>> Well, we are.

182:55

>> Yeah.

182:55

>> Show some respect, [ __ ] We're the ones

182:57

with the guns.

182:58

>> Uh, it's bi.

183:00

>> Thank you.

183:02

>> I mean, look, we both love animals. I

183:05

know you love animals. I love animals,

183:07

too. I just love people more.

183:08

>> I love people the same. But if it came

183:12

to deciding whether we left Earth with

183:16

humans or animals, I'll be honest, this

183:19

will sound mean. I' I'd give it to the

183:21

animals.

183:22

>> Why?

183:23

>> Cuz they don't know cruelty.

183:25

>> That's not true.

183:26

>> They don't know

183:28

>> malice. Do you know they listen, you're

183:30

saying you're talking crazy talk. Do you

183:32

know how uh bears kill things? They just

183:34

eat them. They hold them down. They eat

183:36

them. They didn't even kill him first.

183:38

>> But it's not it's not from cruelty. It's

183:40

for survival. Humans are cruel. Have you

183:43

heard of Hiroshima?

183:44

>> Yeah, I have. That was probably less

183:46

cruel than a bear eating you [ __ ]

183:48

first.

183:49

>> No, but there's no intent with a animal.

183:52

>> He's just trying to eat you.

183:54

>> An animal doesn't have intent,

183:56

>> right? But the end result's still the

183:57

same. If you you were getting eaten

183:59

[ __ ] first [snorts] by a grizzly

184:00

bear, you're not thinking, well, he

184:02

doesn't have intent to be cruel. This is

184:03

just how he eats me. [ __ ] first is

184:05

his favorite way.

184:06

>> He has to eat you. He can't go to the

184:08

grocery store.

184:09

>> He doesn't have to eat you. He could

184:10

kill you first and then eat you like a

184:11

cat does.

184:12

>> But he doesn't know how. He doesn't

184:14

realize he's being cruel. No, no, no. He

184:16

doesn't care.

184:17

>> Right. He doesn't know how. He could

184:19

definitely kill you. If you were a bear

184:21

and they were fighting, he would grab

184:22

you by the neck and he would kill you.

184:24

Like they try to kill each other. But

184:25

when they eat you, they're not they just

184:27

don't care.

184:28

>> Right. Well, that's what I mean. There's

184:30

no malice. Whereas humans,

184:32

>> but the result is the same. You're not

184:33

going to take comfort in the fact that

184:35

he doesn't have malice while he's eating

184:36

your dick.

184:38

>> It's pronounced gourd.

184:40

[laughter]

184:43

>> You know that video uh well the audio of

184:46

Grizzly Man getting eaten?

184:47

>> Yeah.

184:48

>> 5 minutes long.

184:49

>> Oh yeah.

184:50

>> It's 5 minutes long of him screaming

184:52

while this thing is just eating him by

184:53

grabbing his thighs and pulling chunks

184:55

out of his thighs.

184:56

>> By the way, they finally just recently

184:57

released that audio, right? Cuz in the

184:59

movie Grizzly Man, the director refused

185:01

to play it.

185:02

>> No, it's not real. It's Wernern Herszog.

185:04

He He They destroyed that audio. The The

185:06

fake audio that's online, it's just

185:08

fake. That

185:08

>> the new one.

185:09

>> It's fake. It's not even new. It's been

185:10

around forever. But you listen to it, if

185:12

you know it's fake, you hear it, you go,

185:14

"Oh, this is bullshit."

185:15

>> Okay.

185:15

>> Like, [screaming]

185:18

>> it sounds fake.

185:19

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

185:20

>> It sounds fake.

185:21

>> But the point is like, yeah, people are

185:23

gross and cruel. So are chimps, you

185:25

know? So what they do to monkeys is

185:27

[ __ ] horrific.

185:27

>> Yeah.

185:28

>> You know, I don't know if they're doing

185:29

it on purpose, but they what they do to

185:31

people. It seems like they're doing it

185:32

on purpose. When they bite your fingers

185:33

off and pull your eyeballs out, it seems

185:35

like they're being cruel. You know, I

185:37

think it's a primate survival tactic,

185:39

especially like primates that engage in

185:42

war. Like chimps engage in war, you

185:44

develop cruelty in order to be better at

185:47

your job.

185:48

>> Yeah. But I I think with them, they they

185:51

lack emotional cru cruelty. Like humans,

185:55

we have we have the knowledge to know

185:57

something's bad or good. They just know

186:00

survival and we engage in bad which

186:03

makes us a different kind of cruel.

186:06

>> Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah.

186:08

>> Did I just win my first argument?

186:10

>> No, I mean you're right. I agree with

186:12

you about that. We we have a certain

186:14

type of cruelty that's not, you know,

186:16

it's not like any other animals cruelty

186:18

because we're aware of how it's going to

186:19

affect other people.

186:20

>> There you go.

186:21

>> Yeah. They're not really aware of it.

186:22

They just don't care.

186:23

>> Yeah. You know, you know when they do

186:25

those things where they communicate with

186:26

chimpanzees, they teach them sign

186:27

language.

186:28

>> You know, they've never had a chimp ask

186:30

a question.

186:31

>> Yeah. Right. Interesting.

186:33

>> Isn't that interesting?

186:34

>> They communicate, but they never like

186:36

>> Yeah.

186:36

>> Why are you wearing clothes? There's

186:38

not, you know what I mean?

186:39

>> I never thought of that.

186:40

>> Yeah. That's weird, right?

186:42

>> Yeah.

186:43

>> Can we get Arby's for lunch? Like, why

186:46

don't they ever ask for anything?

186:47

>> They don't ask.

186:48

>> Yeah, that's Well, wait. Did Did um You

186:52

know what? That's not true. How so?

186:54

>> Coco the gorilla the the gorilla

186:58

>> he would ask for affection. He would ask

187:01

for love and hugs. I think there's

187:03

>> Oh, yeah. But that's a request. That's

187:05

not a question. Like why am I here?

187:08

>> Oh, okay.

187:08

>> What is this building?

187:09

>> You're talking more of a philosophical

187:11

question.

187:11

>> No, I'm talking about h being having

187:13

actual curiosity about like its

187:15

environment, right? I understand.

187:16

>> Why is your skin white and mine is not?

187:18

What is

187:19

>> They're just not aware.

187:20

>> How come you don't walk on your hands?

187:22

You know what I mean? Like what what we

187:25

call intelligence is very

187:26

compartmentalized. It's very in our

187:29

intelligence. We have the intelligence

187:31

to understand this thing probably

187:32

doesn't like being in the cage. They

187:34

don't think that way.

187:35

>> No. Do you believe in the concept of a

187:38

missing link like something in between

187:40

homo erectus and Neanderthal and then us

187:44

modern day? Is there do you think

187:46

there's a missing

187:47

>> creature? I think the first of all the

187:50

real problem is what's the evidence in

187:53

terms of the fossil record? It's very

187:54

incomplete,

187:55

>> right?

187:56

>> Because it's hard to get fossils,

187:57

>> right?

187:58

>> Like for for someone to leave a fossil

188:00

behind, you have to die in mud or has to

188:03

be specific conditions.

188:05

>> So most animals that die, I think we

188:07

looked it up before, it's like 99% are

188:10

never going to leave a fossil,

188:11

>> right? So when they find things like

188:14

Dennis Ovenans, so the Dennis Ovenans, I

188:16

think they found in the 20110s or

188:19

something like that. When did they find

188:21

them? Was it more recently than that?

188:23

Maybe it was more recently than that. So

188:25

they just found like a tooth and a

188:28

finger. And then and then they start

188:29

finding bones. They're like, "Hey, this

188:31

is not like a normal human tooth. This

188:33

is not like a normal human bone." And

188:35

then they do DNA tests on them and then

188:37

they go, "Oh, this is different. This is

188:39

a different type of human." So there's

188:41

humans that lived alongside humans that

188:43

we just found out about 10 years ago.

188:46

>> Huh?

188:46

>> So how many versions of ancient homminid

188:51

to modern homo sapien? How many versions

188:54

were there that we have evidence of?

188:55

That's what we don't know.

188:56

>> What's the homo

188:57

>> 2008? Here it is. Michael Shunov of the

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Russian Academy of Sciences and other

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Russian archaeologist.

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>> Oh, what happened?

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>> We just got scrolled player.

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>> What is that? That was weird. and

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scrolled.

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>> What did it just do? That was so weird.

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>> That was so weird. It's like It's like

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they didn't want us reading this out

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loud.

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>> What's the homo we're missing?

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>> Uh, that's a good question. So um

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archaeologists from the Institute of

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Archaeology and Ethnography of the

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Siberian branch of the Russian Academy

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of Sciences in Novo Cibrisk

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Aador

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investigated [snorts] the cave and found

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a finger of a juvenile female homminid

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originally dated from 50 to 30,000 years

189:41

ago.

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>> Huh.

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>> And then the estimate was changed to

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76,000 to 51,000 years ago. Specimen was

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originally named exwoman.

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So anyway, um the whole thing is that

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they found that this is go back that

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again um a novel ancient hominid

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genetically distinct from both

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contemporary modern humans and from

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Neandertos. So they knew from that that

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it's a new kind of human and that's just

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2008. So this is 18 years ago they found

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that. So, who knows how many ones they

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could find if they kept if you had

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there's a limited amount of

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archaeologists that are doing this kind

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of work. Imagine if you had thousands

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and thousands of them scouring Asia,

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scouring Africa, looking. There's

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probably a bunch more that we haven't

190:29

discovered.

190:29

>> Oh, definitely.

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>> So, this idea of the missing link, I'm

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not sure if that's accurate.

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>> Okay.

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>> But then the question is good. I'm glad

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you said that because it it sort of

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illuminate illuminated me a little too.

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>> I hadn't thought of it in those terms.

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2008, a Taiwanese citizen purchased a

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fossil homo mandible dredged from the

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seafloor of the Taiwan Strait from an

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antique shop and donated to Taiwan's

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National Museum, the National Science.

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Uh, attempts to extract the DNA were

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unsuccessful, but in 2025, protein

190:58

analysis of the specimen designated

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Pangu one was published showing that it

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belonged to a male Dennisovven.

191:05

>> That's was this in a shop?

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>> I love the missing link was in an

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antique shop. Well, that's how they

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found Gigantoythecus, too. They found

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>> I like that old lamp. I'll take that

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plate. And how about historic missing

191:17

link? How much is that?

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>> The hell?

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>> I think it's just a different kind of

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person. Yeah. You know, and then

191:24

>> interesting.

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>> If they kept finding more of them, maybe

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we'd have a better understanding of like

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what we're talking about. But

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>> there's a giant leap. That's for sure.

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>> Yeah.

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>> It's the biggest mystery in the entire

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fossil record is the doubling of the

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human brain size over a period of 2

191:38

million years. Well, it's a nutty nutty

191:40

thing that happened. All of a sudden,

191:41

our brains grew.

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>> Well, what's interesting to me, too, is

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that you you do have some fossilized

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remains that are very, very, very old

191:49

that date back to, you know, caveman era

191:52

stuff. And then we have stuff closer to

191:54

what we just looked at, but there's that

191:56

that one transitional where you'd think

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there'd be a transitional creature that

192:02

they can't seem to find.

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>> They might find it. They might. I hope

192:06

they do. And I think some of these are

192:08

getting closer. They don't have like a

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lot of Dennisovven bones,

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>> but there's going to be a few more that

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they find, I'm sure, if they keep

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looking. I bet there was probably a

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bunch of different kinds of humans. The

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question is like, why did we succeed?

192:20

And why why are we so much smarter than

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all the rest of them?

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>> We should go antiquing this weekend. See

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what we can dig up.

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>> I don't think it's that way.

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>> Well, according to that missing place in

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an antique shop in

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>> China, right? It was a long time ago.

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>> I don't care if they bought china or

192:35

pottery. I just let's go.

192:39

>> I got to wrap this up, buddy.

192:40

>> Yeah, buddy.

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>> Always good to see you, brother.

192:42

>> Great to see you. Thanks for having me,

192:44

brother.

192:44

>> Thank you for being here. Uh Wingman,

192:46

it's Is it available? Streaming is

192:47

available everywhere.

192:48

>> It's only streaming uh on Apple and

192:52

Amazon Prime right now all over the

192:54

world. And then in Canada, we will start

192:57

streaming the end of June. And they

192:59

might even do uh 60 to 90 theaters up

193:01

there. So, we're excited. Yeah. So,

193:03

yeah, Wingman. Yeah. Yeah. And good luck

193:05

with the Tony one, too. That sounds fun.

193:06

>> Yeah. And hopefully maybe we'll see you

193:08

there.

193:09

>> Hopefully maybe. And congratulations on

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guest of the year. That's awesome. Also,

193:13

>> that was that was last year. Yeah, that

193:14

was last year. Thank you, buddy. Great

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to see you. Love you, man.

193:17

>> Love you, too, [music] brother. All

193:18

right. Bye, everybody.

193:24

[music]

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In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, Joe is joined by actor and comedian Harland Williams. The conversation is wide-ranging, covering topics such as Williams' career, the history of US politicians dueling, the concept of modern combat in politics, the existence of secret underwater military bases and potential extraterrestrial activity, and his upcoming film projects. Williams also shares his comedic takes on exercise, his unique workout routines, and shares anecdotes about working in television sitcoms.

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