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Welcome to Huberman Lab Essentials,

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where we revisit past episodes for the

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most potent and actionable science-based

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tools for mental health, physical

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health, and performance.

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I'm Andrew Huberman and I'm a professor

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of neurobiology and opthalmology at

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Stanford School of Medicine. Today we

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are going to discuss light and the many

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powerful uses of light to optimize our

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health. One of the reasons why light has

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such powerful effects on so many

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different aspects of our biology is that

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it can be translated into electrical

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signals in our brain and body into

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hormone signals in our brain and body

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and indeed into what we call cascades of

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biological pathways. Meaning light can

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actually change the genes that the cells

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of your bodies express. And that is true

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throughout the lifespan. Light is

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electromagnetic energy. It can cause

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reactions in cells of your body. It can

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cause reactions in fruit, for instance,

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right? You see a piece of fruit and it's

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not ripe, but it gets a lot of sunlight

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and it ripens. That's because the

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electromagnetic energy of sunlight had

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an impact on that plant or that tree or

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even on the fruit directly. Now, the

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second thing that you need to understand

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about the physics of light is that light

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has many different wavelengths. And the

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simplest way to conceptualize this is to

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imagine that cover of that Pink Floyd

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album where there's a prism. You have a

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white beam of light going into that

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prism and then the prism splits that

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beam of light into what looks like a

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rainbow. So you got your reds, your

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orange, your greens, your blues, your

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purples, etc. Now the third bullet point

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to understand about the physics of light

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is that different wavelengths of light

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because of the way that their wave

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travels can penetrate tissues to

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different depths. Every biological

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function of light has to do with the

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absorbance or the reflectance of light

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or light passing through that particular

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thing, meaning that particular cell or

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compartment within a cell. I'd like to

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make it clear how this works by using

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the three primary examples of how you

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take light in your environment and

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convert it into biological events. We

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have photo receptors in the back of our

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eyes. These photo receptors come in two

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major types. The so-called rods and the

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cones. The rods are very elongated. They

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look like rods. And the cones look like

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little triangles. The other place of

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course where light can impact our body

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is on our surface on our skin. In the

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top layer of skin which is called the

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epidermis. We have caratinosytes and we

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have melanocytes. With light exposure,

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those melanocytes will turn on genetic

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programs and other biological programs

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that lead to enhanced pigmentation of

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the skin, which we call tanning. And the

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third example I'd like to provide is

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that of every cell of your body. And

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what I mean by that is that every cell

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of your body, meaning a cell that is

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part of your bone tissue or your bone

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marrow or heart tissue or liver or

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spleen, if light can access those cells,

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it will change the way that those cells

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function for better or for worse. For

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many organs within our body that reside

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deep to our skin, light never arrives at

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those cells. A really good example of

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this is the spleen. Light will never

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land directly on your spleen, but the

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spleen still responds to light

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information through indirect pathways.

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Light arriving on the eyes

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is absorbed by a particular cell type

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called the intrinsically photosensitive

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ganglen cell. It's just a name. You

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don't need to know the name, but if you

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want, it's the so-called intrinsically

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photosensitive ganglen cell, also called

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the melanopsin cell, because it contains

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an opsin, a photo pigment that absorbs

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shortwavelength light that arrives

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through sunlight. Those cells

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communicate to particular stations in

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the brain that in turn can connect to

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your so-called pineal gland, which is

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this little P-sized gland in the middle

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of your brain that releases a hormone

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called melatonin. And the only thing you

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need to know is that light activates

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these particular cells, the

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intrinsically photosensitive melanopsin

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cells, which in turn shuts down the

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production of melatonin from the pineal

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gland. So melatonin is a transducer.

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It's a communicator of how much light on

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average is in your physical environment.

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What this means is for people living in

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the northern hemisphere, you're getting

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more melatonin release in the winter

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months than you are in the summer

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months. So you have a calendar system

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that is based in a hormone and that

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hormone is using light in order to

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determine where you are in that journey

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around the sun. Now this is beautiful.

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At least to me, it's beautiful because

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what it means is that the environment

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around us is converted into a signal

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that changes the environment within us.

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That signal is melatonin. And melatonin

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is well known for its role in making us

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sleepy each night and allowing us to

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fall asleep. Many of you have probably

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heard before, I am not a big fan of

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melatonin supplementation for a number

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of reasons, but just as a quick aside,

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the levels of melatonin that are in most

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supplements are far too high to really

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be considered physiological. They are

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indeed super physiological in most

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cases. And melatonin can have a number

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of different effects, not just related

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to sleep. But that's supplemented

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melatonin. Here I'm talking about our

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natural production and release of

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melatonin according to where we are in

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the 365day calendar year. Indogenous

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melatonin, meaning the melatonin that we

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make within our bodies naturally, not

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melatonin that's supplemented, has two

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general categories of of effects. The

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first set of effects are so-called

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regulatory effects and the others are

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protective effects. The regulatory

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effects are for instance that melatonin

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can positively impact bone mass.

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Melatonin is also involved in maturation

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of the gonads during puberty, the

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ovaries and the testes. Although there

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the effects of melatonin tend to be

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suppressive on maturation of the ovaries

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and testes. meaning high levels of

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melatonin tend to reduce testicle volume

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and reduce certain functions within the

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testes including sperm production and

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testosterone production and within the

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ovaries melatonin can suppress the

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maturation of eggs etc. Now, I don't

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want anyone to get scared if you've been

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taking melatonin. Most of the effects of

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melatonin on those functions are

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reversible. But I should point out that

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one of the reasons why children don't go

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into puberty until a particular age is

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that young children tend to have

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chronically high indogenous melatonin,

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and that is healthy to keep them out of

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puberty until it's the right time for

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puberty to happen. I should also mention

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that melatonin is a powerful modulator

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of placental development. So for anyone

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that's pregnant, if you're considering

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melatonin supplementation, please,

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please, please talk to your OB/GYN, talk

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to your other doctor as well, you want

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to be very, very cautious because of the

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powerful effects that melatonin can have

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on the developing fetus and placenta. So

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when we think about light impacting our

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biology, the reason I bring up melatonin

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as the primary example of that is a

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because melatonin impacts so many

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important functions within our brain and

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body, but also because hormones in

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general, not always, but in general are

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responsible for these slow modulatory

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effects on our biology. And so I'm using

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this as an example of how light

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throughout the year is changing the way

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that your the different cells and

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tissues and organs of your body are

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working and that melatonin is the

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transducer of that signal. So in order

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to get light information to the pineal

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and thereby get the proper levels of

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melatonin

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according to the time of year, we should

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all try and get outside as much as

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possible during the long days of summer

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and spring. And in the winter months, it

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makes sense to spend more time indoors.

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For those of you that suffer from

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seasonal effective disorder, which is a

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seasonal depression, or feel low during

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the fall and winter months, there are

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ways to offset this. We did an entire

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episode on mood and circadian rhythms

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where we describe this. So, it does make

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sense for some people to get more bright

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light in their eyes early in the morning

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and throughout the day during the winter

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months as well. But nonetheless, changes

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in melatonin, meaning changes in the

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duration of melatonin release across the

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year are normal and healthy. So provided

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that you're not suffering from

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depression, it's going to be healthy to

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somewhat modulate your amount of indoor

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and outdoor time across the year. The

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other thing to understand is the very

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firmly established fact, which is that

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light powerfully inhibits melatonin.

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If you wake up in the middle of the

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night and you go into the bathroom and

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you flip on the lights and those are

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very bright overhead fluorescent lights,

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your melatonin levels, which would

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ordinarily be quite high in the middle

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of the night because you've been eyes

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closed in the dark presumably, will

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immediately plummet to near zero or

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zero. If you do that every once in a

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while, it's not going to be a problem.

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But if you're doing that night after

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night, you are really disrupting this

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fundamental signal that occurs every

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night regardless of winter, spring,

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summer, etc. And that is communicating

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information about where your brain and

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body should be in time. In animals such

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as mice, but also in humans, exposure to

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light, in particular, UV blue light, so

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short wavelengths of light, can trigger

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increases in testosterone and estrogen

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and the desire to mate. But it is not

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the exposure of light to the eyes. It

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turns out that it is the exposure of

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your skin to particular wavelengths of

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light that is triggering increases in

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the hormones testosterone and estrogen.

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I think the results are best understood

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by simply going through the primary

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data, meaning the actual research on

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this topic. And to do so, I'm going to

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review a paper that was published in the

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journal cell reports, cell press

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journal, excellent journal, entitled

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skin exposure to UVB light induces a

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skin brain gonad axis and sexual

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behavior. And I want to emphasize that

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this was a paper that focused on mice in

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order to address specific mechanisms

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because in mice you can so-called knock

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out particular genes. You can remove

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particular genes to understand

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mechanism. You just can't do that in

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humans in any kind of controlled way at

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least not at this point in time. And

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this study also explores humans and

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looked at human subjects both men and

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women. The basic finding of this study

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was that when mice or humans were

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exposed to UVB, meaning ultraviolet blue

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light, so short wavelength light of the

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sort that comes through in sunshine, but

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is also available through various

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artificial sources.

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If they received enough exposure of that

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light to their skin,

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there were increases in testosterone

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that were observed within a very brief

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period of time. also increases in the

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hormone estrogen. And I should point out

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that the proper ratios of estrogen and

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testosterone were maintained in both

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males and females, at least as far as

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these data indicate. And mice tended to

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seek out mating more and mate more.

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There were also increases in gonatal

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weight, literally increases in testes

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size and in ovarian size when mice were

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exposed to this UVB light past a certain

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threshold. They did not look at testes

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size or ovarian size in the human

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subjects. However, because they are

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humans, they did address the psychology

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of these human beings and address

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whether or not they had increases in,

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for instance, aggressiveness or in

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passionate feelings and how their

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perception of other people changed when

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they were getting a lot of UVB

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light exposure to the skin. UVB light

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exposure also changed various aspects of

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female biology related to fertility in

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particular follicle growth. Follicle and

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egg maturation are well-known indices of

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fertility and of course correlate with

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the menstrual cycle in adult humans and

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is related overall to the propensity to

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become pregnant. UVB light exposure

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enhanced maturation of the follicle

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which just meant that more healthy eggs

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were being produced. So in terms of

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thinking about a protocol to increase

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testosterone and estrogen, mood and

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feelings of passion, the idea is that

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you would want to get this two to three

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exposures per week minimum of 20 to 30

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minutes of sunlight exposure onto as

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much of your body as you can reasonably

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expose it to. Another set of very

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impressive effects of UVB light, whether

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or not it comes from sunlight or from an

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artificial source, is the effect of UVB

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light on our tolerance for pain. It

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turns out that our tolerance for pain

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varies across the year and that our pain

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tolerance is increased in longer day

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conditions. This is occurring via UVB

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exposure to the skin and UVB exposure to

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the eyes. I want to just describe two

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studies that really capture the essence

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of these results. The first study is

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entitled skin exposure to ultraviolet B

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rapidly activate systemic neuroendocrine

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and immunosuppressive responses.

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Basically what they observed is that

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even one exposure to UVB light change

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the output of particular hormones and

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neurochemicals in the body such as

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corticotropen hormone and betaendorphins

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which are these endogenous opioids in

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order to counter pain and act as a

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somewhat of a psychological soother

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also. What they found was that exposure

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to UVB light increased the release of

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these beta endorphins. Now a second

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study published in the journal Neuron

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cell press journal excellent journal is

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entitled a visual circuit related to the

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perryqueductal gray area for the

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anti-nosceptive effects of bright light

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treatment. I'll translate a little bit

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of that for you. The perryqueductal gray

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is a region of the midbrain that

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contains a lot of neurons that can

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release indogenous opioids. things like

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beta eneopioid.

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These are all names of chemicals that

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your body can manufacture that act as

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endogenous painkillers and increase your

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tolerance for pain. They actually make

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you feel less pain overall by shutting

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down some of the neurons that perceive

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pain. They're not going to block the

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pain response so that you burn yourself

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unnecessarily or harm yourself

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unnecessarily, but they act as a bit of

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a painkiller from the inside. The key

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finding of this study is that it is

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light landing on the eyes is captured by

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these melanopsin cells. They absorb that

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light, translate that light into

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electrical signals that are handed off

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to areas of the brain to evoke the

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release of these indogenous opioids that

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soothe you and lead to less perception

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of pain. So for those of you that are

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thinking tools and protocols, try to get

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some UVB exposure, ideally from

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sunlight. I think the 20 to 30 minute

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protocol two or three times per week is

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an excellent one. Even on a cloud

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covered day, you are going to get far

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more light energy, photons through cloud

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cover than you are going to get from an

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indoor light source, an artificial light

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source. If you see some sunlight

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throughout the day, you would do

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yourself a great favor to try and chase

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some of that sunlight and get into that

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sunlight. Never ever look at any light,

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artificial sunlight or otherwise, that's

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so bright that it's painful to look at.

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It's fine to get that light arriving on

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your eyes indirectly. It's fine to wear

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eyeglasses or contact lenses. In fact,

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if you think about the biology of the

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eye and the way that those lenses work,

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they will just serve to focus that light

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onto the very cells that you want those

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light beams to be delivered to. Whereas

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sunglasses that are highly reflective or

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trying to get your sunlight exposure

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through a windshield of a car or through

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a window simply won't work. Most windows

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are designed to filter out the UVB

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light. And if you're somebody who's

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really keen on blue blockers and you're

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wearing your blue blockers all day,

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well, don't wear them outside. And in

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fact, you're probably doing yourself a

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disservice by wearing them in the

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morning and in the daytime. There

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certainly is a place for blue blockers

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in the evening and nighttime if you're

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having issues with falling and staying

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asleep. But if you think about it, blue

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blockers, what they're really doing is

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blocking those short wavelength UVB

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wavelengths of light that you so

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desperately need to arrive at your

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retina and of course also onto your skin

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in order to get these powerful

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biological effects on hormones and on

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pain reduction. These data also might

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make you think a little bit about

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whether or not you should wear short

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sleeves or long sleeves, whether or not

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you want to wear shorts or a skirt or

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pants. But you might take into

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consideration that it is the total

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amount of skin exposure that is going to

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allow you to capture more or fewer

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photons depending on, for instance, if

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you're completely cloaked in clothing

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and you're just, you know, exposed in

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the hands, uh, neck and face such as I

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am now, or whether or not you're outside

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in shorts and a t-shirt, you're going to

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get very, very different patterns of

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biological signaling activation in those

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two circumstances. Many of you, I'm

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guessing, are wondering whether or not

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you should seek out UVB exposure

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throughout the entire year or only in

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the summer months. And that's sort of

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going to depend on whether or not you

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experience

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depression in the winter months,

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so-called seasonal effective disorder.

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Some people have mild, some people have

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severe forms of seasonal effective

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disorder. Some people love the fall and

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winter and the shorter days. Really, it

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has to be considered on a case- by case

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basis. I personally believe, and this

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was reinforced by the director of the

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chronobiology unit at the National

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Institutes of Mental Health, Samaritar,

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that we would all do well to get more

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UVB exposure from sunlight throughout

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the entire year, provided we aren't

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burning our skin or damaging our eyes in

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some way. In addition to that, during

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the winter months, if you do experience

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some drop in energy or increase in

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depression or psychological lows, it can

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be very beneficial to access a sad lamp

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or if you don't want to buy a sad lamp

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because often times they can be very

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expensive. You might do well to simply

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get a LED lighting panel. Very

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inexpensive compared to the typical SAD

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lamp. I actually have one and I position

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on my desk all day long. I also happen

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to have skylights above my desk. I'm

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fairly sensitive to the effects of

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light, so in longer days, I feel much

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better than I do in shorter days. I've

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never suffered from full-blown seasonal

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effective disorder, but I keep that

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light source on throughout the day

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throughout the year. But I also make it

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a point to get outside and get sunlight

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early in the morning and several times

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throughout the day. People that are

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blind, provided they still have eyes,

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often maintain these melanopsin cells.

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So even if you're low vision or no

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vision, getting UVB exposure to your

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eyes can be very beneficial for sake of

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mood, hormone pathways, pain reduction

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and so forth. A cautionary note, people

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who have retinitis pigmentotosa, macular

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degeneration or glaucoma, as well as

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people who are especially prone to skin

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cancers should definitely consult with

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your opthalmologist and dermatologist

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before you start increasing the total

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amount of UVB exposure that you're

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getting from any source, sunlight or

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otherwise. There are additional very

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interesting and powerful effects of UVB

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light in particular on immune function.

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All the organs of our body are inside

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our skin. And so information about

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external conditions, meaning the

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environment that we're in, need to be

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communicated to the various organs of

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your body, such as your spleen, which is

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involved in the creation of molecules

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and cells that combat infection. There

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are beautiful studies showing that if we

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get more UVB exposure from sunlight or

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from appropriate artificial sources

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that spleen and immune function are

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enhanced and there's a very logical

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wellestablished circuit as to how that

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happens. Your brain actually connects to

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your spleen. UVB light arriving on the

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eyes is known to trigger activation of

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the neurons within the so-called

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sympathetic nervous system. These

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neurons are part of the larger thing

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that we call the autonomic nervous

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system, meaning it's below or not

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accessible by conscious control. It's

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the thing that controls your heartbeat,

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controls your breathing, and that also

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activates or flips on the switch of your

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immune system. When we get a lot of UVB

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light in our eyes or I should say

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sufficient UVB light in our eyes, a

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particular channel, a particular set of

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connections within the sympathetic

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nervous system is activated and our

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spleen deploys immune cells and

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molecules that scavenge for and combat

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infection. In other words, the soldiers

20:45

of your immune system, the chemicals and

20:46

cell types of your immune system that

20:49

combat infection are in a more ready

20:52

deployed stance, if you will. So, we

20:55

often think about the summer months and

20:56

the spring months as fewer infections

20:58

floating around, but in fact, there

21:01

aren't fewer infections floating around.

21:03

We are simply better at combating those

21:05

infections and therefore there's less

21:08

infection floating around. What does

21:10

this mean in terms of a tool? What it

21:11

means is that during the winter months,

21:13

we should be especially conscious of

21:17

accessing UVB light to enhance our

21:19

spleen function to make sure that our

21:22

sympathetic nervous system is activated

21:24

to a sufficient level to keep our immune

21:27

system deploying all those killer T-

21:29

cells and B cells and cytoines so that

21:31

when we encounter the infections, as we

21:33

inevitably will, we can combat those

21:35

infections well. And as just a brief

21:37

aside, but I should mention a brief

21:39

aside that's related to tens of

21:41

thousands of quality studies. It is well

21:44

known that wound healing is faster when

21:46

we are getting sufficient UVB exposure.

21:49

It is known that turnover of hair cells.

21:53

The very cells that give rise to hair

21:55

cells are called stem cells. They live

21:56

in little so-called niches in our skin

21:58

with these hair stem cells and your hair

22:00

grows faster in longer days. That too is

22:03

triggered by UVB exposure. not just to

22:06

the skin but to the eyes. That's right.

22:10

There was a study published in the

22:11

proceedings of the National Academy of

22:13

Sciences a couple of years ago that

22:15

showed that the exposure of those

22:18

melanops and ganglin cells in your eyes

22:20

is absolutely critical for triggering

22:22

the turnover of stem cells in both the

22:25

skin and hair and also it turns out in

22:29

nails. So, if you've noticed that your

22:32

skin, your hair, and your nails look

22:33

better and turn over more, meaning grow

22:35

faster in longer days, that is not a

22:38

coincidence. That is not just your

22:40

perception. In fact, hair grows more.

22:44

Skin turns over more, meaning it's going

22:45

to look more youthful. You're going to

22:47

essentially remove older skin cells and

22:49

replace them with new cells. and all the

22:52

renewing cells and tissues of our body

22:55

are going to proliferate are going to

22:57

recreate themselves more when we're

22:59

getting sufficient UVB light to our eyes

23:01

and also to our skin. There's also

23:04

another time of day or rather I should

23:06

say a time of night in which UVB can be

23:09

leveraged in order to improve mood but

23:12

it's actually the inverse of everything

23:14

we've been talking about up until now.

23:17

We have a particular neural circuit that

23:20

originates with those melanopsin cells

23:21

in our eye that bypass all the areas of

23:25

the brain associated with circadian

23:26

clocks. So everything related to sleep

23:28

and wakefulness that's specifically

23:31

dedicated to the pathways involving the

23:33

release of molecules like dopamine and

23:35

other molecules as well including

23:36

serotonin and some of those indogenous

23:38

opioids that we talked about before.

23:40

That particular pathway involves a brain

23:42

structure called the perihabenular

23:44

nucleus. The perihabenular nucleus gets

23:47

input from the cells in the eye that

23:49

respond to UVB light and frankly to

23:52

bright light of other wavelengths as

23:54

well because as you recall if a light is

23:56

bright enough even if it's not UV or

23:58

blue light it can activate those cells

24:01

in the eye those cells in the eye

24:02

communicate to the perihabenular nucleus

24:05

and as it turns out if this pathway is

24:08

activated at the wrong time of each

24:11

24-hour cycle mood gets worse. Dopamine

24:15

output gets worse. Molecules that are

24:19

there specifically to make us feel good

24:21

actually are reduced in their output.

24:24

Avoiding UVB light at night is actually

24:28

a way in which we can prevent activation

24:31

of this eye to perihabular pathway that

24:35

can actually turn on depression. to be

24:37

very direct and succinct about this.

24:39

Avoid exposure to UVB light from

24:41

artificial sources between the hours of

24:44

10 p.m. and 4:00 a.m. If you view UVB

24:47

light, you activate those neurons in

24:49

your eye very potently. And if those

24:51

cells communicate to the perihabular

24:53

nucleus, which they do, you will

24:55

truncate or reduce the amount of

24:57

dopamine that you release.

24:59

So if you want to keep your mood

25:01

elevated, get a lot of light, UVB light

25:03

throughout the day. And at night, really

25:06

be cautious about getting UVB exposure

25:08

from artificial sources. Now, I wouldn't

25:11

want people to become so neurotic about

25:13

UVB exposure that they won't flip on a

25:15

light at all. But you would do well, for

25:17

instance, to put any artificial lights

25:19

that you have on in the evening, kind of

25:21

low in your physical environment.

25:23

Because these melanopsin cells reside in

25:25

the lower half of our eyes, they view

25:26

the upper visual field. That makes sense

25:28

because they were designed to

25:29

essentially respond to sunlight coming

25:31

from above us

25:33

and try and dim those lights as far down

25:36

as you safely can. Now, I'd like to

25:38

shift our attention to the other end of

25:39

the spectrum, meaning the light

25:41

spectrum, to talk about red light and

25:42

infrared light, which is long wavelength

25:44

light. So, you're probably asking, or at

25:46

least you should be asking, how is it

25:48

that shining red light on our skin can

25:50

impact things like acne and wound

25:52

healing, etc. To understand that, we

25:54

have to think back to the beginning of

25:55

the episode where I described how

25:58

longwavelength light such as red light

26:00

and near infrared light which is even

26:02

longer than red light can pass through

26:05

certain surfaces including our skin. So

26:07

our skin has an epidermis which is on

26:09

the outside and the dermis which is in

26:11

the deeper layers. Red light and

26:13

infrared light can pass down into the

26:15

deeper layers of our skin where it can

26:18

change the metabolic function of

26:20

particular cells. So let's just take

26:22

acne as an example. Within the dermis,

26:25

the deep layers of our skin, we have

26:26

what are called sebaceous glands that

26:28

actually make the oil that is present in

26:31

our skin. Those sebaceous glands are

26:33

often nearby hair follicles. So if

26:35

you've ever had a infected hair

26:37

follicle, that's not a coincidence that

26:40

hair follicles tend to get infected.

26:41

Part of it is because there's actually a

26:44

portal down and around the hair

26:45

follicle. But the sebaceous gland is

26:47

where the oil is created that is going

26:49

to give rise to for instance acne

26:51

lesions. Also in the dermis in the deep

26:54

layers of the skin are the melanocytes.

26:56

They're not just in the epidermis.

26:57

They're also in the deeper layers of the

26:59

skin. And you have the stem cells that

27:02

give rise to additional skin cells. If

27:05

the top layers of the epidermis are

27:07

damaged, those stem cells can become

27:08

activated. And you also have the stem

27:11

cells that give rise to hair follicles.

27:13

What happens is the top layers of the

27:15

skin are basically burned off by a very

27:18

low level of burn andor the cells in the

27:21

deeper layer start to churn out new

27:23

cells which go and rescue the lesion

27:27

essentially clear out the lesion and

27:29

replace that lesion with healthy skin

27:31

cells.

27:33

This does work in the context of wound

27:36

healing getting scars to disappear. It

27:39

also works to remove certain patches of

27:41

pigmentation. Long wavelength light can

27:44

actually get deep into the skin. I

27:46

mentioned that before, but can also get

27:48

into individual cells and can access the

27:51

so-called organels. In particular, they

27:53

can access the mitochondria which are

27:55

responsible for producing ATP. As cells

27:58

age, and in particular in very

28:00

metabolically active cells,

28:03

they accumulate what are called ROS's,

28:06

reactive oxygen species. And as reactive

28:10

oxygen species go up, ATP energy

28:13

production in those cells tends to go

28:15

down. It's a general statement, but it's

28:17

a general statement that in most cases

28:19

is true. So the way to think about this

28:20

is that red light passes into the deeper

28:23

layers of the skin, activates

28:24

mitochondria, which increases ATP and

28:27

directly or indirectly reduces these

28:29

reactive oxygen species. These reactive

28:32

oxygen species are not good. We don't

28:34

want them. They cause cellar damage,

28:37

cellar death, and for the most part just

28:40

inhibit the way that our cells work. So,

28:42

if you've heard of red light or near

28:44

infrared light therapies designed to

28:47

heal skin or improve skin quality or

28:50

remove lesions or get rid of scars or

28:52

unwanted pigmentation. That is not

28:55

pseudocience. That is not woo science.

28:58

That is grounded in the very biology of

29:00

how light interacts with mitochondria

29:01

and reactive oxygen species. The key

29:04

point here is that light is activating

29:06

particular pathways in cells that can

29:09

either drive death of cells or can make

29:12

those cells essentially younger by

29:14

increasing ATP by way of improving

29:17

mitochondrial function. And in recent

29:20

years, there have been some just

29:21

beautiful examples that exist not only

29:24

in the realm of skin biology, but in the

29:26

realm of neurobiology,

29:28

whereby red light and near infrared

29:31

light can actually be used to enhance

29:32

the function of the cells that for

29:34

instance allow us to see better and

29:36

indeed cells that allow us to think

29:38

better. And these are the data from Dr.

29:41

Glenn Jeffrey at University College

29:42

London who again is a long-standing

29:46

member of the neuroscience community

29:48

working on visual neuroscience and who

29:50

over the last decade or so has really

29:52

emphasized the exploration of red light

29:55

and near infrared light for restoration

29:58

of neuronal function as we age. The

30:00

Jeffrey Lab has published two studies in

30:03

recent years on humans that looked

30:06

directly at how red light and near

30:08

infrared light can improve visual

30:10

function. The Jeffrey Lab approached

30:12

these studies with that understanding of

30:14

how mitochondria and reactive oxygen

30:16

species and ATP work. And what they did

30:19

is they had people, subjects that were

30:21

either younger, so in their 20s, or 40

30:24

years old or older,

30:27

view red light of about 670 nanometers.

30:30

670 nanometers would appear red to you

30:33

and me. They had they had them do that,

30:35

excuse me, at a distance that was safe

30:37

for their eyes. So at about a foot away.

30:40

And they had them do that anywhere from

30:41

2 to 3 minutes per day. And in one study

30:45

they had them do that for a long period

30:46

of time of about 12 weeks. And in the

30:48

other study they had them do that just

30:50

for a couple of weeks. The major

30:52

findings were that in individuals 40

30:55

years old or older, so in the 40 to 72

31:00

year old bracket, but not in the

31:02

subjects younger than 40 years old. They

31:05

saw an improvement in visual function.

31:08

That improvement in visual function was

31:10

an improvement in visual acuity meaning

31:12

the ability to resolve fine detail and

31:16

using a particular measure of visual

31:18

function which is called the Triton exam

31:22

tr I tan Triton exam which specifically

31:27

addresses the function of the so-called

31:29

shortwavelength cones the ones that

31:31

respond to green and blue light they saw

31:34

a 22% improvement in visual acuity which

31:38

in the landscape of visual testing is an

31:42

extremely exciting result. As we age, we

31:45

tend to lose rods. We tend to lose other

31:47

cells within the retina, including the

31:49

cells that connect the eye to the brain,

31:50

the so-called ganglen cells. However,

31:53

because rods and cones, both are not

31:56

just among the most metabolically active

31:59

cells in your entire body, but the most

32:02

metabolically active cells in your

32:04

entire body. Those cells tend to

32:05

accumulate a lot of reactive oxygen

32:08

species as we age. Red light of the sort

32:11

used in these studies was able to reduce

32:14

the amount of reactive oxygen species in

32:16

the rods and cones and to rescue the

32:19

function of this particular cone type,

32:22

the short wavelength and medium

32:23

wavelength cones. The important takeaway

32:24

here is that viewing red light and near

32:27

infrared light at a distance at which it

32:29

is safe for just a couple of minutes

32:31

each day allowed a reversal of the aging

32:34

process of these neurons. So here we're

32:36

seeing a reversal of the aging process

32:39

in neurons by shining red light on those

32:41

neurons. So a little bit more about the

32:44

studies from the Jeffrey lab. One of the

32:47

things that they observed was a

32:49

reduction in so-called dusen duen.

32:52

Dusen are little fatty deposits, little

32:57

cholesterol deposits that accumulate in

32:59

the eye as we age. Our neural retina

33:01

being so metabolically active requires a

33:03

lot of blood flow. It's heavily

33:05

vascularized and dusen are a special

33:08

form of cholesterol that accumulate in

33:10

the eye. As it turns out, these red

33:12

light and near infrared light therapies

33:14

explored by the Jeffrey lab were able to

33:16

actually reduce or reverse some of the

33:19

accumulation of dusen. And so in

33:22

addition to reducing reactive oxygen

33:24

species, the idea in mind now is that

33:27

red light may actually reduce

33:29

cholesterol deposits and reactive oxygen

33:32

species in order to improve neuronal

33:34

function. So what should you and I do

33:36

with these results or should we do

33:38

anything with these results? Well, first

33:39

of all, I want to emphasize that even

33:41

though these studies are very exciting,

33:43

they are fairly recent and so more data

33:46

as always are needed. There's some

33:47

additional features of these studies

33:49

that I think are also important to

33:50

consider. First of all, the exposure to

33:53

red light needed to happen early in the

33:55

day, at least within the first 3 hours

33:58

of waking.

34:00

How would one do that? Well, nowadays

34:02

there are a number of different red

34:03

light panels and different red light

34:06

sources that certainly fall within the

34:08

range of red light and near infrared

34:10

light that one could use. So, if you're

34:12

somebody who wants to explore red light

34:14

therapy, here's what you need to do. You

34:16

need to make sure that that red light

34:18

source, it's not so bright that you're

34:20

damaging your eye. A good rule of thumb

34:22

is that something isn't painful to look

34:24

at. And in fact, I should just emphasize

34:26

that anytime you look at any light

34:28

source, sunlight or otherwise, that it's

34:30

painful and makes you want to squint or

34:31

close your eyes, that means it's too

34:32

bright to look at without closing your

34:34

eyes. Okay, that's sort of a duh, but I

34:37

would loathe to think that anyone would

34:38

harm themselves with bright light in any

34:40

way. I don't just say that to protect

34:41

us. I say that to protect you, of

34:43

course, because you are responsible for

34:45

your health. And again, retinal neurons

34:47

do not regenerate. Once they are gone

34:49

and dead, they do not come back. The

34:51

wavelength of light is important. It is

34:53

red light and near infrared light that

34:55

is going to be effective in this

34:57

scenario. The authors of this study

34:59

emphasized that it was red light of 670

35:02

nanometers in wavelength and near

35:04

infrared light of 790 nanometers in

35:08

wavelength that were effective and that

35:11

those wavelengths could be

35:12

complimentary. A lot of the commercially

35:14

available red light panels that you'll

35:15

find out there combine both red light

35:18

and near infrared light. However, I want

35:20

to emphasize that most of the panels

35:22

that are commercially available are

35:24

going to be too bright to safely look at

35:27

very close up. And in fact, that's why

35:29

most of those red light panels are

35:31

designed for illumination of the skin

35:32

and oftentimes arrive in their packaging

35:35

with eye protectors that are actually

35:37

designed to shield out all the red

35:39

light. So take the potential dangers of

35:42

excessive illumination of the eyes with

35:45

any wavelength of light seriously. But

35:47

if you're going to explore 670 and 790

35:49

nanometer light for sake of enhancing

35:52

neuronal function, set it at a distance

35:55

that's comfortable to look at and that

35:56

doesn't force you to squint or doesn't

35:58

make you feel uncomfortable physically

36:00

as if you need to turn away during the

36:03

period of that two to three minute

36:05

illumination each day. So the studies I

36:07

just described once again involve the

36:10

use of red light early in the day within

36:12

three hours of waking and are for the

36:13

sake of improving neuronal function. Red

36:15

light has also been shown to be

36:18

beneficial

36:19

late in the day and even in the middle

36:21

of the night. And when I say middle of

36:23

the night, I'm referring to studies that

36:25

explored the use of red light for shift

36:27

workers. I realize that many people are

36:29

doing shift work or they have to work

36:31

certainly past 10 p.m. or maybe they're

36:33

taking care of young children in the

36:34

middle of the night and they have to be

36:36

up. In that case, red light can actually

36:38

be very beneficial. And nowadays, there

36:40

are a lot of sources of red light

36:42

available just as red light bulbs. You

36:44

don't need a panel. So, what I'm

36:45

basically saying is that it can be

36:47

beneficial to use red lights at night.

36:50

The study I'd like to emphasize in this

36:52

context is entitled red light, a novel

36:55

non-farmacological intervention to

36:57

promote alertness in shift workers. The

36:59

takeaway from this study is very clear.

37:01

If you need to be awake late at night

37:04

for sake of shift work or studying or

37:06

taking care of children, etc., Red light

37:08

is going to be your best choice because

37:11

if the red light is sufficiently dim,

37:15

it's not going to inhibit melatonin

37:17

production and it's not going to

37:19

increase cortisol at night. Cortisol

37:21

should be high early in the day or at

37:23

least should be elevated relative to

37:25

other times of day if you are healthy. A

37:27

late shifted increase in cortisol,

37:29

however, 9M cortisol, 10 p.m. cortisol

37:32

is well known to be associated with

37:34

depression and other aspects of mental

37:37

health, rash, as a mental illness. So,

37:39

if you do need to be awake at night or

37:41

even all night, red light is going to be

37:43

the preferred light source. And in terms

37:46

of how bright to make it, well, as dim

37:49

as you can while still being able to

37:51

perform the activities that you need to

37:52

perform. That's going to be your best

37:54

guide. Today I covered what I would say

37:56

is a lot of information. My goal was to

37:59

give you an understanding of how light

38:01

can be used to change the activities of

38:04

cells, organels within those cells,

38:07

entire organs, and how that can happen

38:10

locally and systemically. So, thank you

38:13

once again for joining me today for this

38:15

deep dive discussion into

38:17

phototherapies, meaning the power of

38:18

light to modulate our biology and

38:20

health. And as always, thank you for

38:22

your interest in science.

Interactive Summary

This episode of Huberman Lab Essentials discusses the profound impact of light on human biology, affecting mental health, physical health, and performance. Light, as electromagnetic energy, can be translated into electrical and hormonal signals, and even alter gene expression. Different wavelengths of light penetrate tissues to varying depths, with the eyes and skin being primary entry points. The podcast delves into how light regulates melatonin production, influencing sleep, mood, bone mass, and puberty, while cautioning against excessive melatonin supplementation. It highlights the significant effects of UVB light, showing how skin exposure can increase testosterone and estrogen, enhance fertility, boost pain tolerance (via endogenous opioids), and strengthen immune function by activating the spleen. Additionally, UVB light promotes faster turnover of skin, hair, and nails. The discussion emphasizes the importance of timing, noting that nighttime exposure to bright or UVB light can negatively impact mood by reducing dopamine. Conversely, red and near-infrared light offer benefits like improving skin health (reducing acne, scars, and pigmentation) by enhancing mitochondrial function. For vision, specific red light therapy can reverse age-related neuronal decline, improving visual acuity. The episode provides actionable protocols for leveraging different light types throughout the day and night for optimal health, while also stressing safety precautions.

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