Viewbot Situation
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The vast majority of numbers you see on
the internet aren't real. The accounts
that you interact with, the posts that
you see oftent times aren't even made by
a human being on the other side of the
keyboard. The cyberspace is dominated by
bots. And unless you've just woken up
from a coma, this isn't news to you.
Everybody knows that now. It's an
accepted part of cruising the worldwide
web that the [ __ ] you see is
artificially inflated and it's become a
huge yapping point, a massive topic,
specifically dead internet theory. And
diving even deeper into the minutia of
bots cannonballing into the deep end of
the pool, you will find viewbots. A
topic that often gets very aggressive
and accusatory because it is so
prevalent across streams in particular
on Twitch, on YouTube, on Kick.
Streamers of all shapes and sizes are
often using Viewbots to boost their
numbers. It's not some big conspiracy.
It's not deep state propaganda or
anything like that. It is a provable
real thing that platforms just don't
seem to be taking any real action on at
all. I could right now go live on Twitch
openly stating I'm viewbotting it out
the wazoo to [ __ ] 20k viewers and
maybe the worst that would happen is I
get like a 24-hour suspension from
Twitch. They don't care. They made that
push like a year ago about getting bots
off the platform, but that lasted for
what, two [ __ ] days, and then they
took like a catastrophic hit to their
overall viewer metrics. And I guess they
pump the brakes because at the end of
the day, and this is something people
say a lot, and it is true, those huge
numbers are good for Twitch as well to
advertisers. Even if the numbers are
fake, even if they know it's botted,
phony, baloney, fraudulent viewer
metrics, it doesn't matter. It makes
them more appealing to brands. So, it
seems like they are very handsoff when
it comes to doing out big punishment for
view bots. It's not exactly a well-kept
secret. It's pretty out there in the
open that tons of streamers viewbot.
Now, the reason why I'm yapping about it
again is because just yesterday, or
maybe it was even earlier today, I don't
know. Time moves in a weird [ __ ]
fashion once you hit your 30s.
Everything blends together. your bones
[ __ ] creek anytime you walk up or
downstairs. Anyway, though, I'll stop
bitching and whining about that. I know
you're not here to listen to me play a
sad song on the world's smallest violin
about my deteriorating cartilage. The
CEO of Night Media, Reed, came forward
with a post out of nowhere, saying that
it's time to start viewing. That's the
title of the post, which is a
eye-catching title, no doubt. Very
seldom will you hear someone in that
kind of position just say the the quiet
part out loud here about success in the
streaming space. And make no mistake,
Night Media is [ __ ] huge. They are
one of the top dogs in the YouTuber
streamer agency space. They are huge in
the industry. They represented Mr. Beast
for a while. I don't know if they still
do, but they they have represented and
still actively represent massive
creators. It was certainly interesting
to see him with a post like this that
makes it seem like he's out there
saying, "Everyone's got a Viewbot. We
got to open Pandora's box. If you're not
pooping, you're farting. We If you're
not using Viewbots, you're at a
disadvantage. Wake the [ __ ] up, Samurai.
Time to get Viewbots on the horn." But
reading the post, it's a little bit
different. Though ultimately, his tone
around Viewbots does seem to be somewhat
positive. What does it take to cut
through all the noise on the internet?
If everyone else is botting, why
shouldn't you? We used to live in a
world where if you made great content,
algorithms would find an audience for
your videos. Now creators have to clip
farm, pay clippers, and sometimes even
viewbot to have a better chance of
capturing more attention and breaking
through the noise. This is especially
true on platforms like Twitch, where
view botting can surface you on the
front page of popular streaming
categories. Off rip, this is some turbo
doomer ship because it kind of positions
it as like your only option if you're
just getting started. Oh, there used to
be a time where if you made great
content, you could get found. But those
times are way behind us in the [ __ ]
Now it's gone. That's a era long
forgotten like the saber-tooth tiger.
Now, if you want to cut through the
noise, you got to clip farm, pay
clippers, or Lord, help us. Even
Viewbot, you got to get down and dirty
in the pig pin. It's the only way. When
that's not true. You can still make
great content and get found. It does
happen. I think the best example of that
is Queso. I would be shocked to learn
Queso viewbotted at any point in his
life. I don't even think the guy could
find a Viewbot website or provider. I I
genuinely don't think he would even know
where to begin with something like that.
And he has blown up solely because he
makes good content. He cut through the
noise. And this is something I've always
said, luck is a huge part of it. It is.
It just is. But what he is right about
is that in the current day and age,
there is an alternative that doesn't
rely as much on RNG, and that is pay to
win. You can stand a better chance of
standing out in the oversaturation of
content creation by paying for view bots
to float your stream to the top of
categories or pay for view bots on other
socials where you're spamming clips from
your streams. So you could boost up
numbers on, you know, a wacky moment or
something and have it like explode
elsewhere because you inflated the
numbers through Viewbots. So then people
could find your stream and maybe
organically grow it that way, but you
still view bought it in order to boost a
clip that led people to the stream. Like
there are paths that don't rely as much
on luck because if you just have money
to start and just start buying views, it
does help put you in front of more eyes.
It's something that's very common,
especially on Twitter. But at the end of
the day, I just don't like this
mentality that Reed kind of encapsulates
here of, well, everyone else is
cheating, so I should too. And he's
trying to make like a strong argument
that everyone else is doing it. Content
alone, it could be the most slapping
banging content ever. It's not good
enough. It's all about the distribution
method now, which is dominated through
bots and [ __ ] like that. So really, you
got to think about this strategy of
using bots. I just don't like how he's
positioning bots as a strategy instead
of calling it what it really is, which
is cheating. Like, yes, you can gify the
distribution and [ __ ] through bots.
Everyone [ __ ] knows that. But I just
don't think it's something that should
be outwardly encouraged. And it's really
weird that the CEO of Night Media, one
of the biggest agencies in the space,
especially for streamers, is having this
kind of viewpoint. like his title isn't
exactly indicative of his thoughts
because he does say like this is a
problem. This is an exploit, but he
speaks about it like this exploit exists
so you have to use this now. That's like
you you really should like almost that
it's a necessity. And I just don't like
that perspective nor that mentality. I
just think there's a reason why this
topic on viewbots is always so
passionate from so many people because
viewbots [ __ ] suck. Nobody likes
that. It is just a completely dog [ __ ]
norm right now and I don't think it
needs to be even more normalized, but
it's not some requirement or anything
like that. Reed then goes on to make a
mention of advertisers and viewots. Do
advertisers have any way of tracking
botted engagement? And why isn't Twitch
cracking down on this at all? Those are
two really good questions. The answer to
do advertisers have a way of tracking
botted engagement is a big
nobody [ __ ] knows. My gut tells me
there's no way advertisers would have
any clue because how would they how
would they distinguish between authentic
and real viewers through just a number
plastered on a stream. It'd be entirely
on Twitch to take care of the bots and
get that number to be where it's like
the authentic viewers and not just like,
you know, fraudulent ones. I don't see
how they could ever possibly know what's
real and what's fake based on just the
publicly available information. And I
doubt Twitch is behind the scenes
saying, "Okay, so your advertisement was
played in front of 1 million concurrent
viewers over the cross of this campaign.
Of that, about 15K were real human
beings. We really appreciate your
business." Like, I highly doubt that
[ __ ] happens, right? Like it doesn't
happen on a streamer basis with sponsors
either. It's like if a streamer is
botting his uh stream up to like 5K, but
really he only has like a thousand real
viewers there and he works with a brand
and he sells to this brand at the 5k
concurrent viewers, he's making a lot of
extra money versus if he sold that his
real 1k and now the brand gets put in
front of what they believe is 5,000
people but is actually 4,000 bots with
only a thousand real people there. So
maybe the campaign only sees them make
like three [ __ ] sales. like, man,
Perry Poutine gota game only got three
clicks through this guy's stream even
though he has 5k concurrent viewers.
What's going on here? And then you can
maybe speculate and surmise that, okay,
he's botting. But then you'd also never
really know for sure because you could
also say like, okay, maybe his community
is just not interested in this gotcha
game. You these brands, I don't think
have any idea is the point I'm making. I
I don't see how they would. It's
entirely on Twitch to combat the bots.
And I don't think there's a way or a
tool that these brands have access to
that normal people don't that lets them
see real verse fake viewers. And then to
read second question about why does
Twitch not crack down on it? I think
everyone knows because Twitch also
benefits from these hugely inflated
numbers. They see a lot of upside to
these massive numbers being housed on
Twitch. I think that's pretty clear.
Probably don't need to dive any deeper
on that. And it is something that he
starts to tackle in his next section
here about platforms needing to take
action. He goes on to talk about, you
know, how prevalent the botting problem
is, as well as the reluctance from
platforms to act on it, believing that
the more views there are, the better
things look for advertisers, which many
people agree with. And again, that
probably is the simple truth of it. If
these numbers are huge, the platforms
are probably very happy because then
it's more appealing to advertisers. It
could end up with more money to the
platform itself. I think it really is
that simple. Now, it's this section that
ties directly into the eye-catching
title that he used here for this piece.
If everyone else is doing it, should
you? I would never explicitly say you
should bot your views on Twitch other
than in the title of this article. But
the reality is, if you're not
viewbotting, and everyone else is,
you're at a disadvantage. When you're
competing in a category where you're
buried if you don't have 500 plus
viewers, maybe shifting your strategy to
paying clippers and buying bots helps a
streamer break through. I wanted to see
what it would cost to bot a stream. And
for a hundred $180 a week on Viewbot, I
can get 1,500 followers, 225 chatters,
and 750 concurrent viewers. Not bad for
less than $800 a month. And these
companies accept crypto payments.
So, he's saying that he's not actively
advocating for viewbotting your channel.
But if you're not, well, you got your
own dick in your butt. Like, everyone
around you is doing it. Maybe you should
shift your strategy. I don't know. To
me, that feels like he is advocating for
it. Maybe I'm on the crackpipe. He's
pointing out a real problem that these
platforms don't enforce it. So, the
precedent has been set that there's no
actual consequences. But it does seem
like he's saying you really should
viewbot your streams if you want to
succeed. And he does prop it up as a
legitimate strategy and even insinuates
that it's not like super expensive. You
know, saying, you know, not bad for less
than $800 a month. Look at this huge
head start you can get. Really should be
something to consider. And like I get
it. It is something that people
obviously consider and pull the trigger
on, no doubt. But it's not exactly
something that I think should be
encouraged either. It sucks like that.
It's it is a bad practice and it there's
a reason why this is such a big topic
because people don't like viewbotters.
It's it's not something that I think
should be talked about in a manner that
feels like it's positive and and
encouraging and even setting it up as
like maybe even your only option if you
want to stand out because as Reed said
multiple times, good content isn't good
enough. You got to really consider
distribution and distribution viewbots
can really do wonders for. I don't know.
To me, it just rubs me the wrong way. He
then closes by talking about Viewbot
detection and how Twitch CEO mentioned
it's a game of cat and mouse and that
really there's not a whole lot of like
great information that he could find on
how brands can detect viewbots or
anything like that. And then he finishes
the big takeaway. We've entered an era
where good content alone isn't enough.
Distribution tactics are. When clipping,
paid amplification, and even bots can
artificially push you up the rankings,
the playing field starts to tilt toward
whoever is willing to game it. Twitch's
detection tools feel reactive at best,
and advertisers don't seem to have a
reliable way to verify what's real. If
bonding becomes normalized, creators
face a brutal question. Complete clean
and risk Jesus compete clean and risk
invisibility or bend the rules to
survive. Long-term though, this erodess
trust in the entire ecosystem. Again, he
drives that point home about good
content alone isn't enough. It's all
about distribution tactics. And I just
firmly disagree. Good content alone is
sometimes enough. It But again, it does
take luck. It does. It always has and it
always will. Distribution tactics
though, he's right, can be gamified and
boost your [ __ ] and immediately give you
a better chance so you're not overly
reliant on luck. If you'd rather focus
instead on pay to- win mechanics through
like clippers and viewbots and stuff
like that, then you would be entering
the Thunderdome competing head-to-head,
toe-to-toe with countless others who are
doing that daily. That is very, very
common and in many, many cases, it's
hard to tell if it's real or fake. So,
it is a legitimate problem and it sucks
that platforms don't do anything about
it. He's not wrong about the core that
there is a huge problem cuz these
platforms don't crack down on view bots
now. Everyone [ __ ] does it, it seems.
And it [ __ ] blows. And I imagine he's
right that it is a very real
consideration for tons of streamers.
Like, well, why would I even bother
trying to do this legitimately when
everyone else is [ __ ] cheating?
Everyone else is viewing, so why
wouldn't I? And it's hard to argue like
because it's morally correct to, you
know, play fair. It would be hard to
make someone be like, "Okay, then I'll
do that and go nowhere unless I get
[ __ ] crazy lucky when the alternative
is apparently like cheap view bots that
give them a better chance." It's
something that he's not wrong about in
his assessment here. Again, I just find
it weird that it feels like he's
speaking on it like almost positively,
like you're at a huge disadvantage. you
really need to think about this this
strategy that actually isn't all that
expensive if you want to compete on an
even playing field because at the end of
the day I don't think viewbots are
something that should be encouraged. I
don't think it should be twisted to the
point where people consider view bots
like a strategy as opposed to just
cheating because viewbots are bad for
everyone. There's a reason why it's such
a passionate topic for so many people
because it sucks. It sucks for the
people that aren't doing it and it sucks
for viewers too. Like viewbots are just
shitty overall, like genuinely. So like
it's not something that I'd like to see
more people start being like, "Yeah,
let's start really thinking about doing
more viewbotting as if there's not
already enough." So anyway, this this
was a very interesting post to say the
least, and I just wanted to yap about
it. That's really about it. See you.
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The video discusses the prevalence of bots, particularly viewbots, on online platforms like Twitch and YouTube. It highlights that many streamers use viewbots to inflate their numbers, which is an open secret that platforms often don't effectively address. The CEO of Night Media, Reed, published a post suggesting that in today's environment, where content alone isn't enough, viewbotting has become a necessary strategy for streamers to gain visibility and compete. The video's creator largely disagrees with this perspective, arguing that viewbotting is cheating and that platforms should take stronger action. The creator also touches upon the difficulty for advertisers to detect bot engagement and the financial incentives for platforms to maintain inflated viewership numbers, making them hesitant to crack down on botting.
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