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The vast majority of numbers you see on

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the internet aren't real. The accounts

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that you interact with, the posts that

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you see oftent times aren't even made by

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a human being on the other side of the

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keyboard. The cyberspace is dominated by

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bots. And unless you've just woken up

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from a coma, this isn't news to you.

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Everybody knows that now. It's an

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accepted part of cruising the worldwide

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web that the [ __ ] you see is

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artificially inflated and it's become a

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huge yapping point, a massive topic,

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specifically dead internet theory. And

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diving even deeper into the minutia of

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bots cannonballing into the deep end of

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the pool, you will find viewbots. A

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topic that often gets very aggressive

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and accusatory because it is so

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prevalent across streams in particular

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on Twitch, on YouTube, on Kick.

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Streamers of all shapes and sizes are

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often using Viewbots to boost their

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numbers. It's not some big conspiracy.

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It's not deep state propaganda or

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anything like that. It is a provable

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real thing that platforms just don't

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seem to be taking any real action on at

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all. I could right now go live on Twitch

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openly stating I'm viewbotting it out

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the wazoo to [ __ ] 20k viewers and

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maybe the worst that would happen is I

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get like a 24-hour suspension from

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Twitch. They don't care. They made that

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push like a year ago about getting bots

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off the platform, but that lasted for

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what, two [ __ ] days, and then they

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took like a catastrophic hit to their

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overall viewer metrics. And I guess they

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pump the brakes because at the end of

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the day, and this is something people

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say a lot, and it is true, those huge

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numbers are good for Twitch as well to

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advertisers. Even if the numbers are

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fake, even if they know it's botted,

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phony, baloney, fraudulent viewer

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metrics, it doesn't matter. It makes

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them more appealing to brands. So, it

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seems like they are very handsoff when

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it comes to doing out big punishment for

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view bots. It's not exactly a well-kept

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secret. It's pretty out there in the

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open that tons of streamers viewbot.

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Now, the reason why I'm yapping about it

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again is because just yesterday, or

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maybe it was even earlier today, I don't

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know. Time moves in a weird [ __ ]

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fashion once you hit your 30s.

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Everything blends together. your bones

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[ __ ] creek anytime you walk up or

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downstairs. Anyway, though, I'll stop

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bitching and whining about that. I know

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you're not here to listen to me play a

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sad song on the world's smallest violin

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about my deteriorating cartilage. The

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CEO of Night Media, Reed, came forward

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with a post out of nowhere, saying that

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it's time to start viewing. That's the

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title of the post, which is a

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eye-catching title, no doubt. Very

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seldom will you hear someone in that

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kind of position just say the the quiet

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part out loud here about success in the

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streaming space. And make no mistake,

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Night Media is [ __ ] huge. They are

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one of the top dogs in the YouTuber

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streamer agency space. They are huge in

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the industry. They represented Mr. Beast

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for a while. I don't know if they still

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do, but they they have represented and

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still actively represent massive

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creators. It was certainly interesting

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to see him with a post like this that

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makes it seem like he's out there

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saying, "Everyone's got a Viewbot. We

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got to open Pandora's box. If you're not

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pooping, you're farting. We If you're

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not using Viewbots, you're at a

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disadvantage. Wake the [ __ ] up, Samurai.

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Time to get Viewbots on the horn." But

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reading the post, it's a little bit

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different. Though ultimately, his tone

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around Viewbots does seem to be somewhat

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positive. What does it take to cut

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through all the noise on the internet?

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If everyone else is botting, why

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shouldn't you? We used to live in a

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world where if you made great content,

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algorithms would find an audience for

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your videos. Now creators have to clip

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farm, pay clippers, and sometimes even

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viewbot to have a better chance of

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capturing more attention and breaking

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through the noise. This is especially

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true on platforms like Twitch, where

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view botting can surface you on the

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front page of popular streaming

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categories. Off rip, this is some turbo

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doomer ship because it kind of positions

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it as like your only option if you're

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just getting started. Oh, there used to

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be a time where if you made great

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content, you could get found. But those

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times are way behind us in the [ __ ]

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Now it's gone. That's a era long

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forgotten like the saber-tooth tiger.

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Now, if you want to cut through the

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noise, you got to clip farm, pay

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clippers, or Lord, help us. Even

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Viewbot, you got to get down and dirty

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in the pig pin. It's the only way. When

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that's not true. You can still make

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great content and get found. It does

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happen. I think the best example of that

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is Queso. I would be shocked to learn

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Queso viewbotted at any point in his

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life. I don't even think the guy could

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find a Viewbot website or provider. I I

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genuinely don't think he would even know

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where to begin with something like that.

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And he has blown up solely because he

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makes good content. He cut through the

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noise. And this is something I've always

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said, luck is a huge part of it. It is.

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It just is. But what he is right about

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is that in the current day and age,

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there is an alternative that doesn't

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rely as much on RNG, and that is pay to

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win. You can stand a better chance of

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standing out in the oversaturation of

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content creation by paying for view bots

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to float your stream to the top of

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categories or pay for view bots on other

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socials where you're spamming clips from

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your streams. So you could boost up

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numbers on, you know, a wacky moment or

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something and have it like explode

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elsewhere because you inflated the

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numbers through Viewbots. So then people

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could find your stream and maybe

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organically grow it that way, but you

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still view bought it in order to boost a

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clip that led people to the stream. Like

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there are paths that don't rely as much

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on luck because if you just have money

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to start and just start buying views, it

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does help put you in front of more eyes.

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It's something that's very common,

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especially on Twitter. But at the end of

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the day, I just don't like this

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mentality that Reed kind of encapsulates

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here of, well, everyone else is

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cheating, so I should too. And he's

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trying to make like a strong argument

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that everyone else is doing it. Content

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alone, it could be the most slapping

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banging content ever. It's not good

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enough. It's all about the distribution

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method now, which is dominated through

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bots and [ __ ] like that. So really, you

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got to think about this strategy of

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using bots. I just don't like how he's

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positioning bots as a strategy instead

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of calling it what it really is, which

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is cheating. Like, yes, you can gify the

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distribution and [ __ ] through bots.

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Everyone [ __ ] knows that. But I just

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don't think it's something that should

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be outwardly encouraged. And it's really

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weird that the CEO of Night Media, one

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of the biggest agencies in the space,

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especially for streamers, is having this

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kind of viewpoint. like his title isn't

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exactly indicative of his thoughts

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because he does say like this is a

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problem. This is an exploit, but he

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speaks about it like this exploit exists

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so you have to use this now. That's like

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you you really should like almost that

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it's a necessity. And I just don't like

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that perspective nor that mentality. I

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just think there's a reason why this

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topic on viewbots is always so

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passionate from so many people because

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viewbots [ __ ] suck. Nobody likes

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that. It is just a completely dog [ __ ]

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norm right now and I don't think it

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needs to be even more normalized, but

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it's not some requirement or anything

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like that. Reed then goes on to make a

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mention of advertisers and viewots. Do

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advertisers have any way of tracking

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botted engagement? And why isn't Twitch

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cracking down on this at all? Those are

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two really good questions. The answer to

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do advertisers have a way of tracking

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botted engagement is a big

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nobody [ __ ] knows. My gut tells me

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there's no way advertisers would have

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any clue because how would they how

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would they distinguish between authentic

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and real viewers through just a number

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plastered on a stream. It'd be entirely

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on Twitch to take care of the bots and

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get that number to be where it's like

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the authentic viewers and not just like,

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you know, fraudulent ones. I don't see

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how they could ever possibly know what's

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real and what's fake based on just the

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publicly available information. And I

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doubt Twitch is behind the scenes

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saying, "Okay, so your advertisement was

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played in front of 1 million concurrent

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viewers over the cross of this campaign.

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Of that, about 15K were real human

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beings. We really appreciate your

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business." Like, I highly doubt that

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[ __ ] happens, right? Like it doesn't

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happen on a streamer basis with sponsors

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either. It's like if a streamer is

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botting his uh stream up to like 5K, but

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really he only has like a thousand real

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viewers there and he works with a brand

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and he sells to this brand at the 5k

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concurrent viewers, he's making a lot of

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extra money versus if he sold that his

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real 1k and now the brand gets put in

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front of what they believe is 5,000

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people but is actually 4,000 bots with

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only a thousand real people there. So

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maybe the campaign only sees them make

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like three [ __ ] sales. like, man,

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Perry Poutine gota game only got three

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clicks through this guy's stream even

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though he has 5k concurrent viewers.

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What's going on here? And then you can

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maybe speculate and surmise that, okay,

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he's botting. But then you'd also never

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really know for sure because you could

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also say like, okay, maybe his community

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is just not interested in this gotcha

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game. You these brands, I don't think

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have any idea is the point I'm making. I

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I don't see how they would. It's

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entirely on Twitch to combat the bots.

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And I don't think there's a way or a

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tool that these brands have access to

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that normal people don't that lets them

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see real verse fake viewers. And then to

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read second question about why does

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Twitch not crack down on it? I think

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everyone knows because Twitch also

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benefits from these hugely inflated

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numbers. They see a lot of upside to

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these massive numbers being housed on

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Twitch. I think that's pretty clear.

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Probably don't need to dive any deeper

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on that. And it is something that he

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starts to tackle in his next section

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here about platforms needing to take

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action. He goes on to talk about, you

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know, how prevalent the botting problem

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is, as well as the reluctance from

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platforms to act on it, believing that

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the more views there are, the better

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things look for advertisers, which many

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people agree with. And again, that

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probably is the simple truth of it. If

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these numbers are huge, the platforms

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are probably very happy because then

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it's more appealing to advertisers. It

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could end up with more money to the

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platform itself. I think it really is

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that simple. Now, it's this section that

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ties directly into the eye-catching

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title that he used here for this piece.

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If everyone else is doing it, should

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you? I would never explicitly say you

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should bot your views on Twitch other

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than in the title of this article. But

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the reality is, if you're not

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viewbotting, and everyone else is,

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you're at a disadvantage. When you're

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competing in a category where you're

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buried if you don't have 500 plus

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viewers, maybe shifting your strategy to

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paying clippers and buying bots helps a

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streamer break through. I wanted to see

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what it would cost to bot a stream. And

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for a hundred $180 a week on Viewbot, I

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can get 1,500 followers, 225 chatters,

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and 750 concurrent viewers. Not bad for

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less than $800 a month. And these

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companies accept crypto payments.

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So, he's saying that he's not actively

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advocating for viewbotting your channel.

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But if you're not, well, you got your

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own dick in your butt. Like, everyone

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around you is doing it. Maybe you should

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shift your strategy. I don't know. To

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me, that feels like he is advocating for

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it. Maybe I'm on the crackpipe. He's

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pointing out a real problem that these

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platforms don't enforce it. So, the

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precedent has been set that there's no

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actual consequences. But it does seem

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like he's saying you really should

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viewbot your streams if you want to

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succeed. And he does prop it up as a

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legitimate strategy and even insinuates

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that it's not like super expensive. You

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know, saying, you know, not bad for less

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than $800 a month. Look at this huge

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head start you can get. Really should be

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something to consider. And like I get

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it. It is something that people

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obviously consider and pull the trigger

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on, no doubt. But it's not exactly

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something that I think should be

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encouraged either. It sucks like that.

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It's it is a bad practice and it there's

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a reason why this is such a big topic

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because people don't like viewbotters.

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It's it's not something that I think

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should be talked about in a manner that

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feels like it's positive and and

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encouraging and even setting it up as

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like maybe even your only option if you

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want to stand out because as Reed said

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multiple times, good content isn't good

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enough. You got to really consider

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distribution and distribution viewbots

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can really do wonders for. I don't know.

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To me, it just rubs me the wrong way. He

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then closes by talking about Viewbot

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detection and how Twitch CEO mentioned

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it's a game of cat and mouse and that

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really there's not a whole lot of like

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great information that he could find on

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how brands can detect viewbots or

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anything like that. And then he finishes

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the big takeaway. We've entered an era

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where good content alone isn't enough.

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Distribution tactics are. When clipping,

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paid amplification, and even bots can

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artificially push you up the rankings,

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the playing field starts to tilt toward

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whoever is willing to game it. Twitch's

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detection tools feel reactive at best,

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and advertisers don't seem to have a

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reliable way to verify what's real. If

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bonding becomes normalized, creators

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face a brutal question. Complete clean

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and risk Jesus compete clean and risk

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invisibility or bend the rules to

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survive. Long-term though, this erodess

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trust in the entire ecosystem. Again, he

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drives that point home about good

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content alone isn't enough. It's all

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about distribution tactics. And I just

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firmly disagree. Good content alone is

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sometimes enough. It But again, it does

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take luck. It does. It always has and it

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always will. Distribution tactics

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though, he's right, can be gamified and

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boost your [ __ ] and immediately give you

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a better chance so you're not overly

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reliant on luck. If you'd rather focus

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instead on pay to- win mechanics through

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like clippers and viewbots and stuff

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like that, then you would be entering

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the Thunderdome competing head-to-head,

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toe-to-toe with countless others who are

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doing that daily. That is very, very

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common and in many, many cases, it's

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hard to tell if it's real or fake. So,

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it is a legitimate problem and it sucks

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that platforms don't do anything about

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it. He's not wrong about the core that

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there is a huge problem cuz these

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platforms don't crack down on view bots

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now. Everyone [ __ ] does it, it seems.

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And it [ __ ] blows. And I imagine he's

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right that it is a very real

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consideration for tons of streamers.

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Like, well, why would I even bother

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trying to do this legitimately when

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everyone else is [ __ ] cheating?

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Everyone else is viewing, so why

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wouldn't I? And it's hard to argue like

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because it's morally correct to, you

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know, play fair. It would be hard to

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make someone be like, "Okay, then I'll

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do that and go nowhere unless I get

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[ __ ] crazy lucky when the alternative

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is apparently like cheap view bots that

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give them a better chance." It's

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something that he's not wrong about in

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his assessment here. Again, I just find

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it weird that it feels like he's

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speaking on it like almost positively,

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like you're at a huge disadvantage. you

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really need to think about this this

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strategy that actually isn't all that

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expensive if you want to compete on an

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even playing field because at the end of

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the day I don't think viewbots are

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something that should be encouraged. I

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don't think it should be twisted to the

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point where people consider view bots

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like a strategy as opposed to just

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cheating because viewbots are bad for

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everyone. There's a reason why it's such

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a passionate topic for so many people

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because it sucks. It sucks for the

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people that aren't doing it and it sucks

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for viewers too. Like viewbots are just

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shitty overall, like genuinely. So like

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it's not something that I'd like to see

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more people start being like, "Yeah,

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let's start really thinking about doing

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more viewbotting as if there's not

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already enough." So anyway, this this

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was a very interesting post to say the

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least, and I just wanted to yap about

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it. That's really about it. See you.

Interactive Summary

The video discusses the prevalence of bots, particularly viewbots, on online platforms like Twitch and YouTube. It highlights that many streamers use viewbots to inflate their numbers, which is an open secret that platforms often don't effectively address. The CEO of Night Media, Reed, published a post suggesting that in today's environment, where content alone isn't enough, viewbotting has become a necessary strategy for streamers to gain visibility and compete. The video's creator largely disagrees with this perspective, arguing that viewbotting is cheating and that platforms should take stronger action. The creator also touches upon the difficulty for advertisers to detect bot engagement and the financial incentives for platforms to maintain inflated viewership numbers, making them hesitant to crack down on botting.

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