There was an age in which the gods were

dwelling on earth among men

and those beings came from somewhere.

>> The human species was originally created

designed intended to be a member of the

divine family.

This is an archetypal myth that cuts

across a lot of regions and cultures.

>> It's universal.

>> So, we have these watchers that came

down. They were extraterrestrial. They

mated with man. They created Nephilim.

And then we have evidence that a lot of

this actually holds astronomical weight

in the ancient world.

>> There are ruins of an ancient

civilization on the planet Mars,

specifically in the region of Sidonia.

And this what's so fascinating about

this is that the ancients believed that

the gods descended from Mars. We can

understand the modern phenomenon in

light of the book of Enoch.

>> Hearing about the book of Enoch and it

sounds a lot like Prometheus where you

have titans who tried to give mankind

sacred knowledge.

>> So these were very very intelligent

beings probably in possession of what I

would describe as advanced aerospace

technology. I myself have seen a UFO

right above my car and this thing just

descended and just hovered there like I

was supposed to see it. That is some top

secret.

>> Speaking of evidence of Nephilim and

this whole narrative, you're one of the

few people who has gone deep on this

phenomena of giants.

>> The story that has since become known as

the Kandahar giant.

This is where it begins. He was a cargo

pilot and he would describe these

missions as classified. And one day he's

flying in there. They said, "This never

happened. No pictures. Don't ever talk

about it." He sees a forklift bringing

over an air cargo pallet and there's

something on it.

And he said the first thing that hit him

was the odor like bo and death. The hair

of this being was red. The skin was

pale. He said it had six fingers on each

hand and six toes on each foot. And he

said this thing was solid as a rock. So

you can imagine let's say it was 12 feet

tall. The whole thing weighed 1,100 lb.

>> That's pretty crazy.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> How is this possible?

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I'm here with Timothy Alberino and I

could not be more excited to speak with

you. I have been just going through all

your stuff, all your podcasts, your

book, your amazing book called

Birthright, which is really awesome

because I think people in this space,

it's always an anecdotal story that's

really crazy and interesting. You have a

lot of those anecdotal stories. I want

to talk to you about the Peruvian face

peelers. I want to talk to you about the

giants of Kandahar, all of these amazing

things that you cover. you're this kind

of modern larger than life adventurer,

but you also uh are I think a really

impressive kind of philosopher and sense

maker and you do such a great job in

this book Birthright, which I recommend

people get uh in reconciling

uh the whole kind of alien, you know,

NHI phenomena, which is now kind of all

the rage with kind of the modern

disclosure movement, but with ancient

traditions and with the Bible and Plato.

and um in the book of Enoch, which is

where I kind of want to start this

conversation. So, I appreciate what

you're doing. I think it's really cool.

What does the Book of Enoch hold in

terms of relevance for our life and our

world today?

>> Enoch provides

the foundation for Hebrew cosmology as

it pertains to the anti-dolivian world.

So you cannot separate what I call the

Anakian narrative or the Anunnakic

tradition. You cannot separate that out

from the biblical narrative. It is

fundamental

to how the Hebrews, the ancient Hebrews

view the anti-olivian world, the world

before the flood.

And not only is it the the ancient

Hebraic view, it's the view of our ant

descendants across the board. The

ancient Egyptians, the Mesopotamians,

the Greeks, the Romans, they all viewed

the anti-dolivian world in a particular

way, namely that it was a time of great

learning. It's a time when the the

fundamentals of civilization were

imparted to mankind from

extraterrestrial entities.

And in the pagan world, and pagan just

means everybody but the Hebrews. In the

pagan world, this was known as the

golden age or zeppy to the ancient

Egyptians. And it was a time when the

gods co-mingled with mankind. Literally,

they procreated with human women. They

progenerated

a race of hybrid demigods in the earth.

In many accounts, these demigods were

giants, such as in the biblical account

and the Mesopot, the ancient

Mesopotamian account, the epic of

Gilgamesh. Gilgamesh himself was a

giant. And so, these traditions are

ubiquitous across the earth.

And this is how civilization began in

the minds of our ants. Again, whether it

be the Hebrew account, you know, the

Judeo-Christian account or the pagan

accounts.

Now, among the Jews,

there was no greater prophet and scribe.

And these are important terms, prophet

and scribe than Enoch. Enoch was the

greatest pre flood patriarch. He was

revered above all others. And the Bible

says very little about Enoch. It says

that he walked with God uh for 365 years

and then God took him.

Um and that's pretty much all the Bible

says of Enoch. And there's a couple of

references in the New Testament. But it

it always was strange to me as I was a

teenager thinking and and reading the

the scant information provided in the

biblical text concerning Enoch, who

clearly was the greatest pre flood

patriarchy. The Bible has much to say

about its other prophets and scribes.

The Bible says a whole lot about Moses.

It says a whole lot about Elijah.

It says a whole lot about Noah. It says

almost nothing about Enoch.

And it occurred to me when I was

probably

um I think I was 16 years old. I just

had gotten my driver's license and and

my father was a pastor. So I grew up in

a very very good home. I had a very very

good upbringing. My dad was a excellent

father and pastor and I had a wonderful

mother. My mother died when I was 14. Um

but I remember when I was 16 years old I

I I drove to

um Borders.

That's the one that went out of

business, right? Borders.

>> Yeah, Borders. I drove to a Borders

bookstore and I remember I was perusing

the aisles just sort of wanted to to to

buy a a book and I was I was

particularly interested in the

pseudapagrapha

and I pulled this the pseudapagrapha off

the shelf. It was this big, you know,

ancient looking book that they had there

in Borders and I was most interested in

the book of Enoch. had heard about the

book of Enoch and I didn't really know

what it was. And so I remember pulling

it off the shelf and sitting down on a

bench in Borders and opening it up and

and sort of skimming through the book of

Enoch. I was instantly cap captivated

and I bought it and I took it home and

that sort of began my my fascination

with the anti-dolivian world because

what the book of Enoch does is it

it provides as I said earlier it

provides the the the found the

foundation of of Hebrew cosmology in

regard to the anti-dolivian world

and I remember um reading

when I was a teenager

reading the verses in Genesis 6, those

enigmatic verses inscribed in Genesis 6

about the sons of God who saw the

daughters of men that they were

beautiful and they came down and they

took wives of all whom they chose and

they calculated with these women and

progenerated a race of giants in the

earth called the Nephilim.

But that was it. Just this little

footnote. It's a it's a it is a a

bizarre digression in the Genesis

narrative. And this precedes the flood.

The next chapter is the flood.

>> And and then you get to the New

Testament

and and you see Peter referencing the

angels who sinned

>> and as a result are chained in in the in

the the the gloomy abyss, Tartarus.

Jude

takes verbatim from the book of Enoch.

He copies and pastes into his epistle

a few verses straight out of first Enoch

and it's the same sort of and and and

the the it comes from the book of the

watchers and the book of the watchers in

first Enoch is the story of the descent

of these beings of these heavenly beings

these celestial beings

and you realize when you read the book

of Enoch that the reference in Genesis 6

is an abridged verse version. It's it's

it's just an abridged

um it's a it's a cliffnote basically of

a story that was clearly already well

known by the audience. So the the author

of Genesis when he when he inserts into

Genesis 6 again this bizarre digression

of the Genesis narrative about these

heavenly beings, the sons of God who

descend and co-mingle with the daughters

of men and and and copulate with them.

The reason he doesn't expand on that

story is because it was already well

known from oral tradition, but I also

think from written tradition, namely the

book of Enoch or some version of the

book of Enoch. So the story was was

already so well known to the to the

audience that the writer of Genesis,

whether it was Moses or someone else,

didn't need to retrace

the details of this story. It was so

well known. It was so essential to the

fabric of their cosmology.

And and indeed the book of Enoch lays

out this story. So what does it say? The

book of Enoch says that in the days of

Jared who was the sixth from Adam, Jared

was the father of Enoch.

That these heavenly beings which the

book of Enoch denominates as watchers.

And the watcher denomination is not

exclusive to extra biblical texts. It's

in the Bible. It's in the book of

Daniel.

um that these these beings called the

Watchers, 200 of them,

decided that they were going to descend

to the earth or maybe they were already

on the earth, but that they were going

to

uh they wanted to take wives from the

daughters of men. They wanted to wed the

maidens, these these the daughters of

Adam because they were beautiful and

they wanted to procreate with them and

and they wanted to to to to essentially

to make families to sire offspring.

And these watchers

knew these 200 watchers knew that this

was a grave transgression. And so before

they did this thing, they bound

themselves on the summit of Mount

Hermon. According to the Book of Enoch,

they descended on the summit of Mount

Hermon

and they bound themselves by an oath of

mutual impreations. In other words,

we're all in this together and we're all

going to suffer the consequences

whatever fall. So they bind themselves

with an oath. And that's why to this

day, Mount Hermon is known as the

mountain of oath.

And

so after binding themselves by a oath of

mutual imprecations, they descend into

the plains. They choose for themselves

wives. And then they make a transaction,

I believe, with the with the fathers of

these maidens.

A dowy of sorts is paid. They they

provide the the the fathers provide

their daughter's hand in marriage, the

maidens. And the watchers in turn as a

dowry. Remember this is a very

patriarchal society in the pre- flood

world. The fathers give their daughter's

hand away. It's not like today where you

know it's mutual agreement. Let's get

married. In the in in the anti-dolivian

world and even in the ancient postalvian

world and still is the case in some

parts of the earth the father gives the

daughter's hand in marriage in exchange

for something a dowy. And so the

watchers received the daughter's hands

in marriage from the fathers and they in

turn gave the fathers

information knowledge forbidden

knowledge. Book of Enoch says they gave

them the knowledge that they were that

the men were striving to learn.

And this I think this was technological

knowledge

sc what we would call today scientific

knowledge.

And then the watchers, just as it says

in Genesis 6, they they copulate with

their wives who conceive and give birth

to a race of giants called the Nephilim.

And then what results is men are

corrupted by the forbidden knowledge of

the Watchers. the giants grow to a

enormous size and ultimately begin to

consume all of the acquisitions of the

land so that men can no longer sustain

their appetite. So, human beings were

basically subjugated to these to this

hybrid

race of giants. And they were spending

all of their time and energy feeding

them. And when they could no longer

satisfy their enormous appetites, the

giants began to devour mankind.

And it's at this point that men begin to

cry out to God and the court of heaven

hears the appeal of mankind and God

dispatches some angels to the earth. He

causes the he binds the watchers. But by

the way, I should say this is nobody

knows the duration of time from when the

watchers descend in the days of Jared

>> to the to the flood of Noah.

At the very least, you're looking at

hundreds of years, if not thousands of

years of this going on on planet Earth.

And then so the Watchers are dispatched.

I mean, the the angels are dispatched to

the earth, they bind the watchers. But

before the Watchers are incarcerated in

the abyss, they're forced to watch the

destruction of the of their beloved sons

of the giants who are enticed who are

incited to war with one another. So you

have this fratricidal war that takes

place among the giants.

And I I describe this as the empire of

the gods because it's not like you know

big dumb dis giants from Disney movies

when we were growing up you know bashing

each other over the head with clubs.

These were exceptionally intelligent

beings.

Their fathers the book of Enoch says

taught them and their and their wives.

They instructed them in in their

knowledge. So these they were receiving

the instruction of their fathers. So

these were very very intelligent beings

probably in possession of what I would

describe as advanced

>> technology maybe even advanced aerospace

technology which I do believe existed in

the anti-dolivian world. I think that's

how the watchers got to the summit of

Mount Hermon by the way at the helms at

the helms of of of advanced aerospace

vehicles what we would describe today as

UFOs.

And so to close out this story, the

Watchers uh rather the giants go to war

with each other. I believe this is a

technological war.

And then

the flood ensues, the great flood. And

the flood was intended to to cleanse the

earth of the abominable seed of the

watchers

and to reset mankind.

So that's an encapsulation, a

summarization of uh of what the the

first section of the book of watchers

describes the rather the book of Enoch

called the book of watchers.

>> It's a great summary. If I were a

biblical scholar,

would I have any points around the book

of Enoch to say that it's oh, it's just

apocryphal and it's not connected to the

Bible. And what would you what would you

say to those points?

Well,

um, nearly all scholars agree that the

book of Enoch provides the cosmological

substrate,

>> um, for the ancient Hebrews. Uh, there's

no doubt about that. I mean, the the the

story is referenced indirectly in the

Old Testament, obviously, Genesis 6 and

in other other portions, but also in the

New Testament. In fact, when you get to

the New Testament, you find Jesus of

Nazareth

using a title, a very specific title,

the title he preferred

more than any other. It's a messianic

title, but it doesn't come from the Old

Testament. It comes exclusively from the

book of Enoch.

>> And that title is the son of man.

Now, there were several titles that

Jesus could have employed when

referencing himself, messianic titles,

and he did use various titles, the son

of God, for example, which he was,

but he uses the son of man the most. And

there is no reference. It's that that is

a proper title, the son of man.

So the only reference in the Old

Testament that that scholars will go to

is a reference in the book of Daniel

where Daniel sees one like a son of man.

But that is a descriptor that is saying

like I saw I saw one who looked like a

human being

>> like an offspring of Adam.

>> It's not a proper title. The proper

title the son of man comes from first

Enoch specifically from the second

section of first Enoch which is called

the parables. M

>> and the parables are the oracles of

Enoch and the oracles of Enoch pertain

primarily to the son of man and were

fulfilled clearly fulfilled in Jesus of

Nazareth. Now

um there is some dispute in regard to

when the the the parables were authored

or compiled. The book of Enoch. First of

all, the book of Enoch is a compilation

of texts with several authors and and

the various sections of Enoch were

probably written at different time,

different periods of time. The oldest

section, namely the book of the Watchers

containing this the the Enochian tale of

the Watchers that was written at least

cir circa 300 BC.

>> But I think that the the oral tradition

at least is way older. I think it's

began with Enoch. And in fact, the the

Hebrews believed

that Enoch was the all was the inventor

of writing that he was the first to

write

and remember Enoch was revered as a

prophet and a scribe. So he prophesied

and he wrote

>> and it and the tradition says that those

writings were delivered ultimately to

Noah and preserved through the flood. So

is it possible that portions of first

Enoch actually originate thousands of

years ago? Maybe the very first writing

ever conceived by the human species was

written by the hand of Enoch. And that's

why people the contention here is mostly

from the secular world that the Bible is

all of the stories in the Bible are just

copies of the more ancient Mesopotamian

texts.

Well, sure, but what if the the the

foundation for those stories goes all

the way back to Enoch?

Then everybody's copying Enoch, and

everybody has a is a version of what

Enoch wrote,

>> right? And it's very possible in my mind

that the Hebrews have the most faithful

um rendition of what was of the oral

traditions and of of the of in in in

fact of the written compositions that

came from the anti-dolubian world which

far predate the ancient Mesopotamians.

>> And Enoch was related to Noah. Is that

right?

>> Yes. Yes. I believe Enoch was his great

greatgrandfather.

Uh Enoch was the father of Methuselah

who was the father of Lamech who was the

father of Noah.

>> Interesting. And yeah in the Old

Testament you have the Methuselah a lot

of these guys lived for very long

periods as well which I think caused you

to ask all sorts of

>> 900 plus years.

>> That's right. Yeah. It's so fascinating

how how is it found? How is the book of

Enoch discovered?

>> The Book of Enoch was preserved by the

Ethiopians.

Um, and had the had had the Ethiopians

not preserved the book of Enoch, we

would not have it to this day

>> because it was clearly expuned

from the scriptorums of the Middle East

and the West. There was controversy, a

lot of controversy in the early church

age over the book of Enoch. Some of the

early church fathers wanted to

incorporate it into the canon. So there

was a debate, an ongoing debate that

what what cannot be denied is that the

book of Enoch was is that the early

church was conversant

>> with what we call first Enoch today. Now

there's clearly a different manuscript

in circulation because some of the early

church fathers cite the book of Enoch

and they're citing portions of of of the

book of Enoch which we don't have today.

>> Interesting.

>> In what we call first Enoch, but then

they also cite portions which we do. So

some of these early church fathers were

referenced the book of Enoch as

scripture.

>> In fact in the fourth around the 4th

century uh AD the Tawaho Orthodox

Christians

and the beta Israel Jew Jewish community

in Ethiopia incorporated the book of

Enoch into their canon. That's why they

preserved it. So to this day, if you

visit Ethiopia and you visit a synagogue

or you visit an Orthodox church, among

the scriptures that we have in in in our

canon in the west, you'll find the the

book of

>> Enoch

and and some other apocryphal works as

well. They revered the book of Enoch and

so they preserved it. So,

um, but as I said, the early church was

undoubtedly undoubtedly conversant

with portions of what we call today

first Enoch. And, and what I was going

to say before was you have the book of

Enoch attested in the Old and New

Testament.

And when you read the parables, the

oracles of Enoch, which are primarily

um prophecies pertaining to the Messiah,

to the Christ, again, fulfilled in Jesus

of Nazareth.

Clearly,

you realize that the writers of the New

Testament derived much of their

esquetology and christologology,

>> their theology regarding the Messiah

directly from the oracles of Enoch. Mhm.

>> And in fact, there are citations

throughout the New Testament that are

not found in the Old Testament,

references, indirect references that are

only to be found in the book of Enoch.

So, um it's so scholars will say,

you know, it's divided the scholarly

community. There's lots of difference

in opinions there in regard to the book

of Enoch. They all will concede that

that the earliest portions of Enoch are

are were compiled around 300 BC.

Some scholars will say that the book

that the parables again containing those

messianic prophecies were compiled

some sometime around 100 AD. Um, there's

a lot of debate about that, but because

precisely because it's apparent that the

authors of the New Testament are are

deriving so much of their theology from

the parables of Enoch. Um, and so it's I

it's it's hard for some scholars to to

believe that these that these prophecies

which are so astonishingly accurate

uh fulfilled clearly fulfilled as I keep

saying in Jesus of Nazareth that those

could have been written before the

advent of Christ. I believe they were. I

believe that the oracles of Enoch are

ancient.

>> That that first Enoch um that the

earliest portions of first Enoch, namely

the book of the Watchers and the oracles

of Enoch were written by his hand.

That's what or some version of them, you

know, carried through the flood

in the form of oral tradition at the

very least and then someone later

compiled them. Is there uh some sort of

control mandate or something? If you

think of the council of Nika and you

know creating the modern cannon.

>> Yeah, I think so.

>> Is there a reason to specifically get

rid of the book of Enoch because it's

sort of subversive or reverent in some

way?

>> Yes. Because the prevailing view became

especially because of um uh Augustine

>> or Augustine Iris, forget how to

pronounce his name. uh the saint uh

>> because he was a he was a proponent he

was a he was a proponent of what's

called um the nons supernatural view of

Genesis 6 the supernatural view of

Genesis 6 is that that the sons of God

were the angels of heaven clearly this

is the case because in the Septuagent

which is the Greek translation of the of

the old testament which was in

circulation during the time of Christ

and and certainly during the early

church. Um this is the the this was the

manuscript that um the non-Jewish

converts were reading was the Septuagent

of the Old Testament, right? So it's a

it's a translation of the Tanakh, the

Hebrew Old Testament into Greek.

>> And in the Septuagent, when you read

Genesis 6,

it doesn't say the sons of God. It says

the angels of God.

>> So that's definitive. These are not

human beings. These are celestial

beings. And this was the prevailing view

um until

probably the 2 century AD when the Jews,

the Jewish community um they

uh they preferred the nons supernatural

rendering rendering of that of that

verse. And and what they did was uh they

said that the the sons of God in Genesis

6 that that populated with the daughters

of Adam that these were noble men from

the line of Seth

>> and or the Sethites is what they call

this called the Sethite theory. And

these were not heavenly beings. These

were just men. And the church adopted

that position. They followed suit and

they adopted that position. um primarily

because of St. Augustine

and and so that became the prevailing

view and it is the prevailing view to

this day. Although the tides are

turning, more and more people are

realizing that that's preposterous based

on the based on by the way the story of

Enoch

the Enochian tale is attested not just

in Enoch

>> but in several Dead Sea Scroll

manuscripts

>> including the book of giants

>> uh the book of Jubilees,

>> the Genesis Apocryphan

>> and others. all all of these and in

there's no question

>> that um that the supernatural view of

Genesis 6 was the prevailing view during

the second temple period. No question

whatsoever. And then you combine that

with the Zeppi, with the Greek gods,

with like all of these other kind of

myths across disperate cultures all

involving sort of demigod like little G

gods and then some sort of flood and

it's like okay this maybe we should stop

treating this just as myth and start

treating it as history. Plato and Solon

and all you know.

>> Yeah,

>> you you it's just a you know kind of

>> ubiquitous you know

>> the difference is this is kind of what

makes the Hebrew account unique. The

difference is those other cultures

they viewed the anti-delivvian world

through a lit a laudatory prism. In

other words, they viewed it as this

wonderful time of peace and prosperity

of the sharing of knowledge from the

gods to mankind. That the gods, as I

said earlier, were establishing

um the the the the foundations of

civilization, of learning, of science,

were imparting them to mankind. And that

the world that existed in the

anti-dolivian world was in every way

vastly superior

>> to to their own civilizations to their

post flood postc cataclysmic

civilizations

postc cataclysm civilizations that they

they when they look back into the past

very this is antithetical to the way we

look back into the past. So when we as

moderns when we look back into the past

we see this you know the timeline of

history right we are in our minds we're

the pinnacle of civilization right now.

We're the pinnacle of learning,

scientific learning. We're the smartest

human beings ever to exist on planet

Earth. Everybody that preceded preceded

us was was inferior to us intellectually

speaking. And and there's this this

gradual retrograde of civilization as

you go backwards on the timeline of

history. So you start from superior

modern man and then you you you progress

backward through history and people are

getting dumber and dumber and dumber and

dumber until you get into the Neolithic

and you've got cavemen, right? You've

got these just these these Neolithic

dummies basically, you know, one step

removed from from chimpanzees.

>> That's not how the ancients viewed the

past.

>> Quite the opposite. The way that our

antennants viewed the anti-dolivian

world was that they were like children

>> trying to recover some vestage of the

knowledge of the glory of the

magnificence of their anticcendants that

existed in the world before the

cataclysm. they when they went backward

in time, it wasn't a gradual um decrease

in the knowledge and sophistication of

of civilization, but rather

the the civilizations that preceded them

in the anti-dolivian world were vastly

superior to them.

>> Speaking of which, you said something

amazing earlier. You said you think that

that time period those sort of demigod

creatures used advanced aerospace

vehicles and you know I think of the

Vimmanas is kind of the you know

proverbial example of this. Do you have

is there any other evidence that they

actually had kind of technological you

know aerial vehicles obviously we have

to go to texts and

>> you have to go to texts. Yeah. So I

don't know of any archaeological

evidence.

>> Sure.

>> Of course you have anecdotal you have

anecdotal accounts like Bob Lazar. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

>> Who said that uh you know among the

craft that he saw in the hangers at the

S4 facility,

>> he was told that one of them had been

retrieved from an archaeological site.

>> That's right.

>> It was very ancient. Not the one he

worked on, not the sports model, but uh

but a different one had been

>> allegedly he and he didn't know if this

was true or not, but allegedly it had

been recovered from an ancient burial

site, an ancient an archaeological dig.

>> Um so yeah, I I I don't have any problem

with that. Um, you know, when you when

you look back into the again, this is a

period of time that the ancients

described as the golden age. And what I

was illustrating earlier was that to in

in in in the mind of of of the pagan

cultures, this this was the pinnacle of

of mankind of civilization and it was a

time of peace and prosperity. But from

the Hebraic p perception, it it was this

was this was a dystopian nightmare. This

was a time of great oppression, the

empire of the gods, when essentially the

watchers were governing the the earth by

proxy behind the thrones of their hybrid

giant offspring who were devouring

mankind, who were oppressing mankind. It

was a time of unparalleled bloodshed and

sorcery and and all manner of

transgression against the king of

heaven. That's the difference. M

>> so from the from the pagan worldview

these the these were the the gods were

like our prometheian benefactors. They

stole fire from the gods and and gave it

to mankind. But from the Hebraic

perspective these watchers were evil.

They were uh these were malevolent

beings and and their the their intention

was to deceive mankind and that mankind

was corrupted by the knowledge that was

given to them. the forbidden secrets as

the book of Enoch has it and that all of

this activity led to the flood

>> to the destruction of the world. Um so

that's that's that's a very different

view of the anti-dolivian age.

>> Yes.

>> From the hebraic perspective,

do you think this book is not just this

kind of you know past thing about you

know kind of metaphysics pre you know uh

uh flood and do you think it holds

relevance today? Where are where are the

watchers today?

>> Yes, it does. So to your first question,

according to the book of Enoch and the

Bible in the New Testament, according to

Peter, according to Jude, the watchers

are currently chained up in Peter calls

it Tarderus,

>> the abyss

>> in in in the gloomy darkness.

And this is directly from the book of

Enoch. So when the angels were

dispatched to bind the watchers,

remember the watchers were first forced

to watch the destruction of their

beloved sons. in this fratricidal civil

war which again I think was

technological

and and then they were they were they

were imprisoned they were incarcerated

and they're still incarcerated to this

day

>> and according to the book of Enoch

they're going to be incarcerated

until the end of the age when the age is

fully consummated. That's what the book

of Enoch says. And until the day of

judgment so until the very end. Now,

there's some um biblical commentators,

some colleagues of mine who believe that

the Watchers are going to be released at

the end of the age

>> and that they're going to create a lot

of the havoc that you see unfolding in

the earth in the book of Revelation.

>> I don't know. I personally think that

the book of Enoch is pretty explicit

that the Watchers are going to be

chained until the day of judgment, which

would mean all the way to the very end

when when the when the great judge

returns to the earth. By the way, I

should probably um this is a little bit

of a digression, but here's another

illustration

um another at testation of the book of

Enoch in the New Testament. Jesus was in

in the land of Gdara with his disciples

and and and he was approached by a man

that a man who the Bible describes or or

two men depending on which gospel you're

reading uh who who's who's described as

the Gatherine demoniac because he was

full of a legion of demons. You recall

this story.

>> So Jesus disembarks on the shore of

Gdara. this demon-possessed man who has

a legion of demons inside of him comes

running up to Jesus and throws himself

at his feet

and he declares, "We know who you are,

you son of God." And then he says, "Why

have you come to torment us before the

appointed time?"

>> And that always puzzled me when I was,

you know, growing up as a teenager

reading that. What do you mean before

the appointed time? What does that mean?

They recognized that Jesus was that son

of man from the oracles of Enoch, the

son of God,

and that there was an appointed time of

judgment for them. So why were they

freaking out? Because they recognized

two things. They recognized that Jesus

was the great judge. He was the judge

who was going to judge them at the

appointed time. And the second thing

they recognized was it wasn't time yet.

>> But here's the judge. What are you doing

here? It's not time yet. you're you're

you're early.

Now, where does that come from?

Doesn't come from the Old Testament.

>> It comes from the book of Enoch,

>> right?

>> Because um when the

giant when the giants destroy themselves

in this fratricidal war,

they're cursed. God puts a curse on them

because they're not fully of their of

their celestial fathers, the Watchers,

and they're not fully of their human

mothers.

So they're they're unsanctioned sentient

beings. And so they're cursed

to when they die and their spirits

depart from their bodies, their spirits

are now going to be forced to wander the

earth as disembodied vagabond wraiths.

>> But the curse is this. They're going to

have all of the desires of the flesh.

They're going to be hungry, thirsty,

presumably have all of the sexual

impulses of the flesh, but without

corporeal bodies through which to

satiate these desires to satisfy them.

That's the curse. And you'll probably

recall that this was the Mayan curse in

the curse of the Mayan gold in Pirates

of the Caribbean.

>> Remember?

>> Yeah.

>> That's the Nephil that's the Nephilimic

curse in Pirates of the Caribbean.

Barbosa and his crew were they were

deathless basically. They couldn't die

but neither could they enjoy anything

while they were alive perpetually. And

remember Barbosa wanted to bite into the

apple and it was revealed I forget in

the story I think on a full moon or

whatever that they were like these

wraiths and they couldn't enjoy anything

and so they desperately wanted to break

the curse. That was the premise of the

story and that's exactly the situation

of the spirits of dead giants. And this

is where you get the origin of demons

>> in the New Testament and in the Old

Testament. Demons according to ancient

Hebrew cosmology are the disembodied

spirits of dead giants that persist in

the world. Evil spirits.

>> That's like the definition.

>> That's the definition. Wow.

>> And in the book of Enoch,

uh the judgment that comes that comes

against the giants says, "You will be

called evil spirits in the earth or

unclean spirits in the earth and you

will wander the earth. You'll have all

of the you you'll be hungry. You'll be

thirsty, but you won't be able to

satisfy your your the desires of your

flesh because you won't have any flesh."

And so, what do these beings do? What do

these disembodied spirits do? They seek

to inhabit

>> human flesh. They possess human beings

in order to attempt to satiate these

desires. That's why they inhabit the

body. So fast forward to the New

Testament. And you have Jesus of

Nazareth encountering and his disciples

encountering people who are

demonpossessed. And they recognize who

he is. And he tells them to be quiet in

a couple of occasions because they say,

"We know who you are, you son of God."

Right? And so now fast forwarding to the

the Gatherine Demoniac who who's

inhabited by a legion of demons.

Oh, and I I actually I actually skipped

the most imperative point here. Going

back to the book of Enoch, part of the

curse was this was going to be your lot.

This was going to be your curse to the

spirits of the dead giants until the

great judge appears

>> to judge the living and the dead until

the day of judgment.

And then they will be judged with

finality

>> and cast into the into the uh lake of

fire. And and so the the the legion of

demons recognizes that Jesus is the

great judge

>> from the oracles of Enoch

and and and as I said before knows that

the time is not yet come for their final

judgment.

>> That comes directly from the book of

Enoch. So, it's just another

illustration of how the the themes the

Enochic traditions and themes are woven

through the Old and New Testament. And

that's a digression um from what we're

talking about.

>> No, it's fascinating. And a a burning

question I have is you have this

conversation around UFO disclosure to

alien beings or, you know, non-human

intelligence. You have uh Congresswoman

Anna Pina Luna going on Joe Rogan.

That's right. and saying, you know, read

the book of Enoch, that somehow is

important for this whole story.

>> Like, imagine a world in which if Enoch

was left in the Bible. And people were

like, wait, what happened?

>> Okay, so if you read it, it talks about

the fall of angels, um, thus creating

really the precursor of civilization

that led to the first flood. Um, I think

that when you even go into potentially

the technology that was given to mankind

by these angels, it talks about the

hidden um, beliefs and and theories in

astronomy etc. metal workings, all of

it. If you have this information

pertaining to UAPs, whatever might they

they might be the origins. I mean, if

you have a understanding of what Enoch

was talking about, kind of makes sense.

So what does this clearly, you know, not

so apocryphal, actually probably core

text in the book of Enoch and the

Nephilim and the Watchers, what does

that have to do with modern kind of

alien UFO disclosure?

>> Well, um,

so generally speaking, what do you have

in the book of Enoch and in Genesis 6

are extraterrestrial beings descending

to the Earth.

>> And why do you think that?

Well, because they are by nature

extraterrestrial. This is a this is one

of the things that I I I talk about my

book birthright.

Um so I think the word extraterrestrial

is a very uh useful word. It's a very

useful term because extraterrestrial

simply means a being whose provenence is

not planet earth.

>> So a being whose origin is not the earth

that's an extra terrestrial. Of course,

we're contextualizing this term

within the context of sentient beings.

I'm not talking about amiebas here or

something like that or bacteria.

Although those would also be considered

extraterrest extraterrestrial bacteria.

Should we find bacteria on Mars? Those

would be defined as extraterrestrial

bacteria, right? Because they're not

from the earth. Even if they're very

similar to bacteria on Earth, well,

they're extraterrestrial because they're

not from the Earth. So, it's a very

accurate term, very useful term. Now,

um, opponents of mine will say, "Wait,

that's not a biblical term." Well, I

would like to highlight that neither is

the term fallen angels

>> a biblical term,

>> right?

>> And a lot of people think it is. It's

not. You'll never you will not find

fallen angels in the Bible. Doesn't

exist.

>> Now, the concept is biblical.

>> The concept of a quote unquote fallen

angel is very biblical. These a fallen

angel are defected sons of God. They are

apostate sons of God. They're angelic

beings who defected from the kingdom and

now are in opposition to God.

We all understand that that's what

fallen angel means. So in the same way

the word extraterrestrial doesn't show

up in the biblical text or extra

biblical text. They didn't use that

terminology back then. But the concept

is accurate is biblically accurate in

that you have beings who are clearly not

from planet earth whose providence is

not planet earth and in and indeed whose

origin is pre-existent to mankind. They

pre-exist us. This is clear especially

in the book of Job where we read that

the morning stars sang together

>> and the sons of God shouted for joy

>> as the foundations of the earth were

being laid or depending on how you view

that as the earth was being renewed

previous to the creation of mankind. So

here you have sentient

extraterrestrial beings by definition.

There's they're not on the earth.

They're observing the creation or the

reformation of the earth depending on

your theological worldview. And they are

celebrating it. They're shouting for

joy. And the designation morning star

and sons of God, morning stars and sons

of God is very important because morning

stars, the the Bible uses the stars as a

metaphor for angelic beings, for

celestial beings.

>> So a morning star, what that designates

are beings who were created early on who

who who are pre-existent.

>> You know, they're the first beings to

appear. In other words, the stars you

see in the morning, it's like those are

the the the the morning stars. These are

the beings who appear at the at the

beginning of creation, the first

sentient beings. So, I think they're

very old. And and furthermore, they're

called sons of God.

>> Which is very important because that's a

designation. That's a fam familial

designation.

These aren't just whatever sentient

beings. These are sons of God. These are

members of the family. This becomes very

important in the biblical text and this

is something that I articulate in

birthright

is is that Adam was created to be a son

of God

>> using that same familial language. Um

and that we through Christ become the

sons of God according to Jesus of

Nazareth being by the way sons of the

resurrection. So um so this is a there's

a family dynamic here.

The Bible uses these familial terms

because there's a family. There's a

divine family. And when you when you

read the genealogy of Jesus of Nazareth,

you know, it traces Jesus through Joseph

or through Mary, depending on which

genealogy you're reading, back through

David, back through Abraham, back into

the pre-flood world, through Enoch, and

all the way back to Adam. And when you

get to Adam, it says Adam, the son of

God.

So what the Bible is signaling here is

that Adam, the human species, was

originally created, designed, intended

to be a member of the divine family.

>> And so this ties into the gospel of

Christ later on because you you you

understand when Jesus shows up on the

scene,

I hope you don't mind me digressing into

a bit of theology here. when when Jesus

shows up on the scene,

uh

he makes it abundantly clear that his

mission is to is to bring back the

prodical sons back into the family of

God. That he gives us power to become

the sons of God. So in other words,

that's that's really the message of the

gospel that that you were once members

of this family. You were once members of

the divine family in Adam and that was

the intention that mankind was in my

estimation created for two purposes.

Number one to commune with the creator

with the maker and with the other with

his with who I describe in birthright as

his elder siblings these other sentient

beings the other sons of God who

pre-exist mankind to to fellowship in

the family of God. That's the primary

purpose. And then secondarily to govern

the earth,

>> to govern planet earth.

>> And these these these theological

threads become very very important

>> when you get to the the the discussions

that are currently happening in about

extraterrestrials

and how we ought to view that coming

from a a Christian perspective at least.

And so the the whole point of the gospel

is to return the sons and daughters back

to the family of God illustrated by the

way in in the parable of the prodigal

son.

So you have these sons of God who

pre-exist mankind. They're not clearly

they're not human and they're not from

planet Earth. They are therefore by

definition extraterrestrial.

The the celestial beings they're

extraterrestrial. Now, you can quibble

over whether or not they come from a a

literal extraterrestrial

world, like a a different planet in the

universe, or they come from some kind of

a spiritual world, like a a different, I

guess, dimension. Or you could just say

they're they're interdimensional beings.

They come from a different dimension. It

doesn't matter which of these you

choose. You're still talking about

beings whose origin, whose provenence is

not planet Earth. M

>> they are therefore unequivocally

extraterrestrial. So these these this

describes the beings who descended in

the days of Jared according to the book

of Enoch in Genesis 6.

These beings came from some

extraterrestrial realm. Again whether

you think it's a interdimensional realm

like Anapoleon Luna whatever it doesn't

really matter.

>> And this lines up by the way with

Sumerian myth. You have the Anunnaki

lines up with Greek myths where you have

these titans and they're the sons of

God. And you know, I'm hearing about the

book of Enoch and it sounds a lot like

Prometheus, by the way, where you have

this sort of rebel faction of titans who

try to give mankind sacred knowledge and

that are, you know, in his case, I think

he's chained up to a rock and uh, you

know, Vulture has to pick at his liver

like constantly.

This is an archetypal myth that cuts ac

>> the universal

testimony of our of our antence is that

there was an age previous to a great

flood or a great cataclysm

in which the gods were dwelling on earth

among men imparting their knowledge

establishing civilization the benchmark

the trademarks of civilization

and that those beings came from

somewhere.

>> And specifically, this is, by the way,

what the late researcher extraordinaire

David Flynn

>> unfolds in his book Sidonia, which was

the most, as I was telling you earlier,

the book Sidonia, that's the most

consequential consequential book I've

ever read in my entire life.

>> You got me a copy. I really appreciate

it.

>> Yeah,

>> it looks amazing. It's it's and his uh

his his daughter Ty who I'm friends

with. I'm I'm very good friends with his

his his twin brother Mark who's who's

brilliant in his own right. Author

himself and his daughter Ty and his son

Alexander. And uh and I'm so excited

that Ty because it was basically out of

print for a long time. There's there was

a couple places you could find it but it

was extreme. That book was that book

before Flynn's daughter reprinted it. It

was going for two and $3,000.

>> Wow. online. Um, and then she reprinted

it now. You can get it for like 25 bucks

on Amazon. But Flynn Flynn um, uh,

really unpacks a lot of this in that

book. And it really that provided sort

of the substrate for my book,

Birthright. And and what Flynn uh

proves, I would say definitively,

>> is that not only did the ancients

believe that the gods descended to the

earth in the anti-olivan world in in the

during the golden age, but that they

came from somewhere very specific. They

came from a planet in our solar system.

>> Which planet?

>> Well, there's it's which planets?

primarily there's there's a planet that

um that Flynn talks about which is which

is you know sort of in in in in popular

culture it's referred to as Krypton.

That's where you get the the Superman

mythology from. Um, but the ancients

also had a krypton in mind, a destroyed

planet, a destroyed realm from which the

gods descended or destroy destroyed

realms uh more specifically. And one of

these planets uh Flynn believed and I

and I believe this as well. I write it

in Birthright is actually named in the

biblical text cryptically.

>> It's called Rahab.

>> Wow. and that this planet there was this

there was this conflict that erupted in

the cosmos long before the creation of

mankind because in Flynn's view and I

completely concur our solar system was

inhabited by a nonhuman

extraterrestrial race of angelic beings.

>> So Flynn viewed this very much not as

sort of like an interdimensional thing

but literally the planets were

inhabited. That's why on the cover of uh

that book there, you have the ruined uh

the ruined structures on Mars. And I

believe of course most of us are

familiar with the Sidonia region of

Mars, the alleged face on Mars. Richard

Hogland was uh

>> um instrumental in in in in um

publicizing this back in the 90s. And in

fact, Richard Hogland would did a series

of conferences with David Flynn

>> and sometimes they were accompanied by

the late Michael Heiser,

the scholar. And uh and they really, as

I said, really publicized the idea that

there are ruins on the planet Mars,

ruins of an ancient advanced

civilization. Of course, you have

the remote viewer McDonn.

>> Yeah. Joe McMongle. McMonagle who

recently uh I believe was on Shawn

Ryan's show

>> um

>> who was tasked by the CIA to remote view

Mars a million years ago and described

giant beings. That's right. Uh like

>> and ruins. Yeah.

>> And ruins 8 to 12 feet tall beings and

pyramid structures. By the way, we I

think on Sidonia you do have some

pyramid

>> the DNM pyramid which was a mag which is

a a uh massive massive pyramid.

>> It's remarkable. And then you also have

this guy

>> allegedly

>> allegedly you have this guy John

Brandenburgg as well who's a PhD um

physics who worked at Lawrence Livermore

in Sandia and he believes that Argon 40

and Xenon 129 exist in excess of what

you would ever see just based on kind of

natural decay. And this is proof of a

nuclear cataclysm that occurred on Mars.

And apparently he got called by Carl

Sean when he started to talk about this

publicly and Carl Sean was like, "John,

why are you making such a fuss about all

this stuff or something like that?"

>> And you know what I mean? So So Hogland

and Flynn were talking about this back

in the 90s and early 2000s.

>> And then NASA, you know, NASA released

some the early photographs that it

looked like a face on Mars. It looked

like a pyramid. And then they released

new higher resolution photographs which

seem to debunk the whole thing, right?

No, actually it doesn't look like a face

and it's not really this. Um, I

personally I have no proof of this.

Okay, I'm just spitballing. But I

personally think that that the images

from the first mission of the surface of

Mars were correct, were accurate, and

that NASA um released those second

higher resolution images to sort of

quell the the firestorm that had

erupted. And and I I I am extremely

persuaded that there are ruins that

dwarf anything on planet Earth.

>> The ruins of an ancient civilization on

the planet Mars, specifically in the

region of Sidonia. And this what's so

fascinating about this is that the

ancients believed that the gods

descended from Mars and from this other

planet that was destroyed. It's sort of

and this is again sounds very complex.

It is. And Flynn lays it out. I mean,

you read Sidonia and it's like

>> to me there's no question that the

ancients believe that the gods descended

from Mars and and and from Rahab. And I

and as I said before, I believe that Ra

that that the the destruction of Rahab,

which is always associated with the

wrath of God, this this pre-adamic

conflict that erupted in our solar

system and and and this this faction,

this defected faction of angelic beings

who went to war with the king of heaven

and uh and it's associated with the

dragon. And the dragon becomes a moniker

for Satan in the Bible,

>> which neither dragon nor Satan are his

actual names, nor Lucifer, by the way.

That's a a misnomer from the from the

Vulgate, from Jerome's Vulgate. Um, but

there's this character in the New

Testament, in the in the Old and New

Testament, the Bible, who's never

actually named. He's much like Voldemort

from the Harry Potter series. It's it's

he who who should not be named, right?

He's never actually named, but he's he's

he's he is the the the great uh um he's

he's the great opponent of the king of

heaven and of the purposes of God. And

and one of his I think one of his one of

his primary monikers is the dragon or

the serpent.

>> And so the destruction of Rahab and and

I Flynn goes through this in Sidonia. I

go through this in Birthright. There are

multiple verses in the Old Testament

that seem to suggest that God shattered

>> a planet,

>> that he shattered Rahab like a vessel of

clay. He pierced the dragon and

shattered Rahab.

>> Are there any of those verses that come

to mind? And then what's the evidence

that it's Mars specifically?

>> Well, well, the shata the shattered

planet isn't Mars. The shattered planet

is Rahab.

>> Okay. So, so the idea is that the the

the asteroid field that the asteroid

belt between uh Mars and Jupiter that

that is the residue of a planet that

exploded. And the contention, the

popular contention is that there's not

enough debris. It can't be a planet if

there's not enough debris. But recent

papers have been published,

peer-reviewed papers. I read a couple of

them, one at least, in which a a very

good case is made, and I wish I could

cite the paper here, but I I can't. I

don't remember what it is.

>> I'll pull it out.

>> Um that the there is enough debris

because much of the debris, if a planet

exploded, much of the physical debris

would have a been vaporized and b shot

off into space. So you would have the

planet explode. Much of the debris is

just getting jettisoned into deep space

and only a very small fraction of it

should be should would get caught up in

the gravitational pool of the sun and

would be and would form ultimately the

um uh the asteroid belt between Mars and

Jupiter. Now I'm not an astrophysicist,

okay? So, I'm way out of my depth

talking about this kind of stuff, but

>> the ancients believe, you can track it,

that there was a planet that was

destroyed and and this is part one of

the places that the gods came from. Now,

it connects to Mars because Mars was

destroyed partly because of the in the

in the wake of the destruction of this

planet, which again I also believe uh is

is attested in the biblical narrative.

There's a a few verses and I I don't I

mean I have them in my book Birthright

the exact verses but there are some

verses in the Psalms and elsewhere which

position the earth as a spectator

>> to this cosmic destruction that causes

the mountains to melt like wax.

>> Wow.

>> And so you can imagine if there was an a

massive planet between Mars and Jupiter.

>> Yeah. assuming that the planets today

are in their the same orbits as they

used to be because there's a possibility

that such an explosion could have

pushed, you know, could have moved

things around. But that planet implodes,

I mean, we can't even imagine the

destructive force that that would have

unleashed. I mean, there's no explosion

except for like a supernova that we can

think of that that that that would be

that powerful. But when that planet

exploded, it rained down fire. Shards of

Rahab bombarded the surface of Mars,

bombarded the surfaces of the other

planets in the solar system, bombarded

the surface of the earth, and abs

absolutely reduced everything to rubble,

eviscerated whatever civilizations were

inhabiting those planets. And um so but

it's but also previous to the

destruction of Rahab I believe again in

the biblical narrative you can you can

trace the thread of a cosmic padamic war

that erupted in the heavens among this

angelic civilization and possibly other

things as well. And it was between what

the Bible describes as the king, the

king of heaven,

>> um, who vanquished the dragon, who

pierced the dragon, who crushed the

dragon's head and and shattered Rahab

like a like a vessel of clay. And that

in that process, in this conflict, the

civilization on Mars was eviscerated.

Um, in other words, they were first they

were first engaged in this conflict,

technological conflict

with again who the Bible describes as

the king of heaven who is revealed to be

the son of God a kinetic war and then

after that you know or in the midst of

that conflict Rahab explodes God

destroys it and then that's like that's

the final blow to this rebel faction. So

this would be the the idea here is a a

rebellious faction of quote unquote

fallen angels

>> are going to war with the king of heaven

kinetic war in the cosmos indeed in our

solar system

>> before the creation of Adam.

>> Wow.

>> So this is a padamic race of intelligent

beings clearly extraterrestrial

especially if their habitation is on

Mars and Rahab and elsewhere in the

cosmos

>> which I believe it was. And I don't

think it's even controversial on kind of

conventional astronomical circles to say

that Mars had a biosphere at one point.

I mean, there are water caverns all

throughout Mars. I believe also in the

'90s there was Alh84001,

this uh meteor that was found that Bill

Clinton made a speech on and said they

found, you know, polyylic hydrocarbons

or whatever in the meteor. And I think

they sort of backtracked that like they

backtracked on the, you know, the Viking

missions. By the way, I've heard that

the JPL guy who was in charge of the

Viking missions also swears by there

being sort of, you know, evidence of

life on Mars or something in his life.

Yeah.

>> So, yeah.

>> Uh it's all very interesting.

>> What's even more interesting is that

Elon Musk is determined to put men on

Mars,

>> occupy Mars.

>> And and what what people don't realize,

again, I'm going to reference Sidonia.

This is what what um Flynn traces in his

book is that the the the

objective to put a man on Mars

>> y

>> is an ancient aspiration.

>> It is in fact one of the primary

objectives of the mystery schools.

>> Really?

>> Yes. To make contact with this the to to

recover the lost knowledge of the gods

on Mars.

>> On Mars specifically. on Mars

specifically

>> like mystery schools like the

Brotherhood of the Serpent and the

Freemasons and

>> mystery schools going all the way back

to I believe they go back to Cain on

obviously that's just a a conjecture of

mine but certainly unequivocally

>> the mystery schools are are pro um are

perpetuated primarily through the

Phoenicians

>> and the phoenetians really uh are the

you might aside from anti-dolivian

mystery schools if they existed the

phoenetians are certainly the primary

post Deluvian keepers of knowledge from

the anti-dolivian world I mean the

phoenetians were the great masons

>> of the ancient world and navigators

>> see family people

>> um they circumnavigated Africa for sure

I think they crossed the Atlantic I

think they were mining copper

>> in the great lakes I know that's very

controversial I think that the reason

why you find red-haired giants,

>> the remains of redhaired giants in the

mountains of America back in the the uh

18 and early 1900s is because they came

over

>> the sea with the phoenetians. The

Phoenicians had a cult of giant worship.

>> Wow.

>> All kind of evidence of giants uh among

the phoenetians. Um and the phoenetians

are like they were essentially a secret

society.

>> Wow. Fascinating.

>> And they and I mean who did Solomon

contract with to build the temple?

>> Phoenicians.

>> The Phoenicians. Hyram of Ty

>> and Hyram Abif

>> his artificer the Hyram of Ty the king

and Hyram Abif his his premier artificer

um that's who built the temple

uh Solomon's temple they were they were

the master masons they built the fleets

for Egypt for ancient Egypt

>> and so and the mystery schools have this

aspiration because I think of the temple

of Solomon as part of the mystery school

aspiration and interest as well

>> um but They they have this sort of

through line around getting to Mars. I

didn't know that. Yes.

>> Fast.

>> Yes. So the the again one of the primary

aspirations of the mystery schools is to

recover the lost knowledge of the gods

from Mars.

>> Now is our aspiration is Elon Musk's

aspiration to go to Mars associated with

this um or just or just part of that

impetus the sort of undercurrent for the

mystery schools? Is there a hidden hand

directing us back to Mars?

>> I would say so.

>> Mhm. And I think when we go there soon,

um,

probably in our lifetime, we are going

to find evidence of an ancient

civilization,

>> extraterrestrial civilization on Mars.

And I have a feeling that it's going to

be announced rather soon, perhaps even

by President Trump, that there's

microbial life on Mars or was, that we

have evidence of mic. I mean, NASA's

sort of already beginning to prime that

pump. So I think what's going to come

first is the announcement that hey there

was life on Mars. We have evidence of

microbial life on Mars and that's the

preamble.

>> That would be a good one little soft

disclosure. Exactly. Test the waters.

See see see what happens there. So

>> I think okay so we have let's establish

a baseline. So we have these watchers

that came down. They were

extraterrestrial.

>> They mated with man. They created

nephilim. Um of which we are kind of the

descendants. The nephilim were banished.

They were made to be kind of these uh

disincarnate kind of wandering spirits,

demonic spirits. Yep.

>> Uh and then we have this all this

interesting evidence that a lot of this

actually holds astronomical weight in

the ancient world.

>> That's right. Um, what does all of this

have to do with modern, you know, we

think about UFOs flying around and alien

abductions and is there anything that we

think of, you know, metaphysically back

then with those stories that still apply

to today? Cuz I think my my biggest

question is like you have UFOs back then

and you have sacred knowledge back then.

the sacred knowledge gets lost in the

flood and now you know circa 2026

you have Trump tweeting about UFOs we're

all talking about all this stuff

>> is this

>> and then you have this alleged group of

evangelical Christians who are being

talked about all the time now or

>> the Collins elite

>> Collins elite so-called Collins elite

>> yeah um it's it's all very interesting

>> yeah so do you think the the flying

vehicles of today because you're kind of

you could be considered a modern

ufologist. You you research a lot of

these phenomena today.

You know, if the watchers are chained up

somewhere um but some of that knowledge

made its way to mankind where where what

are these aerial vehicles that we're

seeing?

>> So that's actually a great point. Um, so

these 200 watchers that descended to the

earth within the biblical context, these

were a separate group from the other

beings, the other angelic beings who the

Bible describes in many ways, but in one

passage as the devil and his angels,

right? So the Satan figure

>> it was here before the Watchers

descended to the earth. Satan was here

with with his quote unquote fallen

angels. So, I'm not a big fan of that

term, but um people understand when I

use it what I mean. So, these these

apostate

rebel sons of God, angelic beings are

here on the earth, and they have not

been chained up. They've been here. They

were here before us. Um and

this is a remnant of that.

Let's put it into Star Wars terms, a

rebel alliance. Except in this case,

they're the bad guys who were fighting

against the kingdom of heaven that we we

talked about earlier when Rahab exploded

in the in the the civilization on Mars

and all that. They came from there.

>> So, we're not even that we're not even

referencing the Watchers in that

context. The Watchers came afterward.

The Watchers came in the days descend in

the days of Jared. So, humankind was

already populating the earth. That's

when the Watchers descended. But but you

know the dragon, the devil and his

angels, Satan and and and his uh and his

consort, his his cohort, they came to

the earth or were cast down to the earth

a long time ago after that cosmic

battle. So they were here before Adam.

They were here before the Watchers.

They're a separate group.

Um these are these are these are

heavenly beings, right?

um probably the the the same kind of

beings as the watchers.

And by the way, there's a misconception

and this really is is propagated in the

West. And it and this this has to do

more with a cultural perception than any

sort of biblical

uh

fact is is the idea that that quote

unquote fallen angels are these ugly,

grotesque, demonic looking beings. like

they're, you know, like they look

reptilian or something or they have

horns and whatever. There's no

indication that that's true anywhere.

That's not a that's certainly not a

biblical concept. That's a western

traditional concept because we ascribe

we we we ascribe their qualities, their

the attributes that they're cunning and

they're deceptive and they're evil. You

know, these are malevolent beings. And

so we portray them. Traditionally the

church has portrayed them in cultural in

culture as these ugly beings right who

embody these attributes. But but I

believe that these in fact biblically

speaking Satan is described as as the

most beautiful being. He's he was he was

he was the sum of perfection

and and and he was absolutely beautiful.

And so quite the opposite of the western

tradition. And I think that goes for

Satan and and the other angelic beings

who defected with him from the kingdom

and and are now in opposition of the

king of heaven. And they're at least in

part here on earth and again have been

long before Adam at least from my

theological perspective and many others

as well. But but from my theological

perspective, they've been here a long

time. So let's differentiate between the

watchers who descend in the days of

Jared and who the Bible designates as

the devil and his angels, the dragon

>> and the other the other apostate princes

because that's what they are. These were

princes in the kingdom of heaven. Okay?

So what I'm trying to describe here is a

kingdom, a real kingdom, not an

imaginary kingdom, not a spiritual

kingdom, not a interdimensional kingdom,

because these are all there may be, you

know, interdimensional aspects and

things like that, but I'm trying to get

people to disassociate the kingdom of

heaven with sort of the fairy tale stuff

and think of it instead as a practical

functioning kingdom

and and that the the those who've

defected from that kingdom before the

creation of Adam, in other words,

angelic beings who defected from that

kingdom are still here with us today and

perhaps elsewhere.

Um and uh and that those beings

according to the Bible are still active

in the world.

And so

from my point of view, these beings

are they they they they are very cumbly.

They look we look like them.

these angelic beings which is which is

apparent in the in the biblical

narrative every time human beings

encounter angels in the narrative. And

when I I'm stressing narrative because

you have the narrative of the Bible and

then you have the prophetic content.

The prophetic content is a world of

symbolism.

This is, you know, when when when

the prophets are having these visionary

experiences, they're either a in a

trance or b dreaming.

They never go anywhere. They're in a

trance or they're dreaming. So just like

in a dreamscape, everything you

encounter in a dreamcape, in as much as

it means anything, is symbolic. So this

is a world of symbolism and

communication. The world of the what I'm

calling the prophetic, right? So set

that aside. And but the narrative, what

I refer to as the narrative, the

biblical narrative is the actual story.

I'll give you an example. Abraham

encounters angelic beings. In the

narrative, not in a vision, not in a

trance. In the actual narrative of the

story, Abraham encounters a group of

angelic beings and he has dinner with

them. He sucks with them. He interacts

with them just like we interact with

each other. And they look like us. They

look human.

They're not human, but they look human.

Um, his nephew Lot encounters angelic