I think the UK just demonstrated more

institutional courage in one morning

than the entire US Department of Justice

has managed in five years.

>> Hi everyone, this is Pivot from New York

Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast

Network. I'm Cara Swisser

>> and I'm Scott Galloway

>> and I am a trad wife.

>> What does that mean?

>> I made bread and butter this morning.

butter from scratch and I made this

delicious bread. Let me unwrap my

>> You're really proud of it. You sent me a

a photo of it.

>> I know. Well, I am. I made it. I I I

know it sounds really stupid, but I get

I I'm on in Here's the whole bread. You

can see it. Everybody see it. It's a

It's a loaf of It's a baguette. This

today is a baguette. And I also made

butter with a marble and a jar and some

heavy cream uh last night at dinner.

Fresh butter. I'm going to make cultured

butter next. Um, I I get on Instagram

and I'm obsessed with watching uh food

videos and I save them and I'm starting

to make all of

>> What's the next thing you're going to

make?

>> Uh, we're going to probably make another

bread. Bread. We're going for bread and

butter. We like bread and butter cuz I'm

a trad wife. So, anyway, there you go.

>> Yeah. No, I think I like that white

supremacist baking company. And he said

that his family had a long history of

being in bread.

>> Oh, I can't believe you have a bread

joke. Um, I have to say it takes me out

of um

>> takes you out of your head.

>> Out of my head. Like I It was an It was

advice, you know, from doing this series

that's coming out. I I spend too much

time in my head. And so Zeke Emanuel

suggested he makes honey. I was like,

I'm going to do things that isn't in my

head. And I have to say, I'm baking is

really chem, you know, it's you have to

pay attention and I'm learning. And so

it's and it's totally you cannot pick up

I mean, I have the phone there with the

rest as they're talking to me, but it's

a useful use of the phone, I guess. I

don't know what else to say. Anyway, I

really like it.

>> So, two muffins are in the oven when one

turns to the other and says, "Man, it's

so hot in here today." And the other met

and the other muffin says, "Holy [ __ ]

it's a [ __ ] talking muffin."

>> I can't believe you have bakery jokes,

>> Cara. My wife has been sleeping around

with other men. Our church pastor is

coming over tonight to offer advice, and

my wife is baking cookies, but I'm

embarrassed because the cookies are

homemade.

I could do this all night.

>> Why do you have them? Are you on the Did

you suddenly get on the internet and

said baking jokes? Is that what happened

there?

>> No, I have a I have an incredible memory

um for 1970s Ram playoff losses and for

dad jokes. That part of my brain is

alive and well.

>> Any we've got a lot to get to today, so

let's dig in. Um this is an astonishing

development. former Prince uh Prince

Andrew has been we call him former

Prince Andrew right now uh used to be

known as Prince has been arrested on

suspicion of misconduct in public office

by British police. You know he should be

arrested for something else but this is

what they could get him on. The full

details of the arrest are not clear at

the time of the taping but former prince

has been under increasing pressure after

the latest release of the Epstein files.

Andrew Moundbotton Moundbatton Windsor

which is his name was previously

stripped of his royal title due to his

uh involvement with Epstein mean finally

after many many years of this. Meanwhile

Casey Wasserman has decided to put his

talent agency and marketing firm up for

sale amidst criticism his past

relationship with Gilain Maxwell. Uh

there's a ton of people Dean there's so

I sent you the list of people that are

you know obviously um uh Larry what's

his name Larry oh Summers uh stepped

down Dean Cayman is having trouble he's

the famous robotics guy um all all

manner of people the former prime

minister of Norway um everyone but the

guy who said they let you do it grab the

[ __ ] guy is not being investigated but

uh this is really interesting so from

you're not in England right now. But

what explain to people what this is

like, what this this is akin to

arresting a royal.

>> I think the UK just demonstrated more

institutional courage in one morning

than the entire US Department of Justice

has managed in 5 years.

>> Yeah.

>> And

it's just ironic. You know, my attitude

is, okay, now do Epstein's flight logs.

I mean,

>> yep. This is I mean some of it's

probably pretty political. The the crown

is probably looking to try and renew

their brand in an era where monarchies

are fading. This really is the last

monarchy

>> and also the prime minister is feeling

heat and potentially calls for his

resignation. But I think that I think

the UK quite frankly is actually

showing some fidelity to the notion that

no one is above the law. Yep.

Absolutely. I I agree. One of the things

that's really that's really important is

the investigation should have gone on.

These investigations that should have

happened when how badly prosecutors over

the entire period of time um from down

in Florida to now have [ __ ] this up.

And in terms of I think the moment with

Pam Bonnie and she had never talked to

those people like all of them are liars

like I don't know why don't you do an

investigation? And so she's obviously

not going to because she's bought and

paid for. But um but the fact that they

didn't do investigations here on as you

say the people who are criminally liable

and the other people who are getting you

know Bill Gates had a pull out of

something because of this look that'll

play itself out because that's about I

don't think it's about shaming. It's

about like gh bad judgment. People are

going to have to pay for their actions

eventually. Um, but the criminal

investigations that haven't gone on

here, the the ability and I have to say

we owe a debt of gratitude to uh uh Roan

and Thomas Massie for pushing

>> this through and we need and the the

redactions that this Bondi Justice

Department is doing are you know there

Ted Lou who is a a trained lawyer got up

and said there is credible evidence that

Donald Trump um this is what he is

saying. I have not seen these things

that he he uh he

sexually uh attack sex what is the right

way to do

>> assaulted

>> assaulted an underage girl and for him

to get up and say that at knowing that

he's a lawyer is really something like

and of course Trump is saying he's

exonerated he's not exonerated he hasn't

been investigated properly right and so

you know when he said let me just read

this again maybe just maybe um as this

fedded penny drops. Maybe it wasn't

locker room talk, right? Do you remember

that? I mean, this is what he said. Let

me read it. I don't even wait. And when

you're a star, they let you do it. You

can do anything. Grab them by the [ __ ]

You can do anything. I don't know if he

did anything, but I'd like to have

investigators really. I don't know if

they need an independent investigator or

>> special counsel.

>> Special to me. I never like those

things, but in this case, everybody's

dirty, right? And certainly Pam Body has

no business being in the job she's in.

They should they should have a special

counsel release all the files and

especially the criminal stuff keep it as

maybe not release those because they

really need to and it might not lead to

anything but to show that we have what

the UK is doing and it there may be a

statute of limitations by the way Scott

on this stuff. I don't know.

>> That's what's kind of interesting about

this specific case with Prince Andrew is

that or the person formerly known as

Prince Yeah, the

>> I know it is kind of funny, but he's not

funny. He's gross.

>> But when when the feds come for you and

say you've clearly committed engage in

criminal activity here, they usually

don't get you for what you know they

didn't. They got Al Capone for

moneyaundering or for for

>> No, no. For taxation.

>> Yeah. For tax evasion.

>> And Prince Andrew isn't being accused of

sexual assault. He's being accused of

passing state secrets to a convicted uh

felon. But that's the point. The point

is if you commit crimes our you know our

reach is far and our memory

uh is long and now I have a different to

me this is how you handle the Epstein

files and that is I don't think the

Epstein files should have been released

>> uh I think that the Department of

Justice

>> gets sullied I I know what you're

thinking right

>> I think the Department of Justice and a

team of lawyers including outside

lawyers contracted for this very

important case should have gone through

these things with a fine tooth hair and

comb and said, "Okay,

we're going to communicate to the public

what is in these files visav grand jury

indictments and prosecutions."

Because I think what has happened is

I think we have been so played here.

Cara, if I was advising the Trump

administration on how to dilute

the depravity here and to get him out of

this, I would be doing exactly what

they're doing. And that is by dripping

it out sclerotically

uh uh incorrectly. Some stuff's

redacted, some stuff isn't. And then we

all chase. We're like a Tyrannosaurus

Rex. Wherever we see movement and

violence and ringlight algorithm

shaming, we start talking about [ __ ]

Deepo Chopra.

>> And what the

>> We should talk about him too, but go

ahead.

>> I I disagree. I I think it's it's the

Department of Justice is a there for

criminal indictments and to create

incentives such that if you have a

daughter and you're a single mother and

your daughter gets invited to some

[ __ ] island that there's incentives

that people who feel entitled to rape

your daughter won't. Yes.

>> Whether or not someone is a creep or not

is a distant distant second. And all of

this [ __ ] has diluted the criminal

activity.

>> I don't think it's [ __ ] I think

it's part of the same thing. And this is

like, let me just say, who's the person

that said Epstein had legs? This whole

thing had legs a long time ago when

everyone thought it was going to go

away. This is one at the heart of the

MAGA infrastructure. As I noted, it is

also at the heart of a lot of it's true,

right? Some of it's true, some of it's

not, but it is part of a whole

movement around corruption of the

elites. And this is the worst version of

it. And I think we do need to talk about

people. Andrew did this because he

>> I'm on board. And Andrew is being

criminally prosecuted.

>> But I'm saying he did it because he

thought he didn't, as you say, he's not

bound by the law. Right. Right. Now,

breaking. New Mexico investigators open

a probe into whether Epste ordered the

burial of bodies on his Zoro Ranch

property. We need to investigate this

fully and wherever it takes us for for

it to have to just get out and get

everyone's attention, the normal people,

not the QAnon people. I think it's I

think this has so many drip drip drip

legs that it's going to is absolutely

going to reach Trump.

>> This should have been dozens if not

hundreds of indictments and prosecutions

from an institution we trust.

>> That's right. We don't trust the

appointment of a special counsel.

>> Saying a cabinet member didn't look to

commit a crime, but when he went under

oath in front of Congress and bragged

that he had nothing to do with this

person.

>> No, he did that on a podcast, but go

ahead.

>> Well, he he Oh, really? He hasn't done

it under oath?

>> No. No, under oath he told the truth.

Um, so

I feel that all of the liar I feel all

of the shaming feels really good and it

does say something about these

individuals. I think it is deliluding

and weakening the case against the

actual criminals here.

>> Well, I don't know. I think you can do

both. I can can just walk and chew gum

at the same time. And well, I think, as

I saying, let me move to the next thing

because it's part of this everyone's

tired of these [ __ ] rich people

taking everything. Like so right now

Mark Zuckerberg took the stand this week

that in this landmark social media

addiction trial defending Meta against

claims Instagram was designed to hook

young users and damage mental health.

Zuckerberg said in his testimony that

Instagram was not a harmful product.

It's a valuable service. Of course he'd

say that. He said that all along. He

believes he's navigated the safety of

young users in a reasonable way. He has

not. He also defended the company's

decision to allow beauty filters even

after experts warned they could harm

teen girls, including people internally.

Um, when pressed about old emails and

growth targets, Zuckerberg repeatedly

pushed back saying the same answer more

than a dozen times. You're

mischaracterizing this. This is an old

Mark Zuckerberg trick. We don't

understand him. Uh, neither of us are

lawyers and it's a really complex case.

And what what what two things it's not

just Facebook, it is also YouTube is

involved in this one. Others settled

other social media sites seem to have

settled here. Um, so and it's not clear

if YouTube is going to settle before

this, but this idea of of whether

they're entertainment or they're

actually addictive. The lawyers for the

the tech company sides are going to try

to portray this young woman who got on

Instagram when she was nine as troubled

had nothing to do with social media.

She's alleging that social media dragged

her down a hole of shame and

self-esteem. Um, it's a jury trial. Um,

I'm putting Mark in front of a jury

helps a herds. He's he's not great at

that. And he also, the judge wasn't

happy to see Meta's Rayban AI glasses

worn by several members of Zuckerberg's

team, which I thought was super [ __ ]

obnoxious to do for Zuckerberg to use it

as a marketing event. Um, she warned

anyone wearing smart glasses to be held

in contempt, noting the concern about

facial recognition of the of it. Um, so

just thoughts on this case because I

think it's really f there's there's

thousands of more behind it. By the way,

>> I think John Oaf who's running for

Senate has come up with a brilliant term

and that is a lot of Democrat how we

lose is this stereotyping and and

keyboard virtue signaling that if you

like all white people are racist, all

billionaires are evil, and all young men

are sexist, fine, they're going to leave

the party and we're going to and you're

going to have Vance as president. What

Osaf has done is really smart. He has

started describing this group of people

as he doesn't say the billionaire class,

he says the Epstein class. Because the

majority of Americans like the idea of

being rich someday and believe that if

they get richer, it doesn't necessarily

mean they're going to become depraved

weirdos.

So I think that is a really powerful

distinction that there is a class of

people

most rich people I do not believe are

like this but there is a class of people

who believe they are again as we talk

about

>> um protected by the law but not bound by

it. There's smoking guns everywhere but

the the real smoking gun I would focus

on if I were advising the prosecution

>> is their own internal research.

>> So let's go through a body.

>> It's not a prosecution. It's a it's a

law civil lawsuit. It's civil, but the

pe but the people the plaintiff's

attorney or whatever you would call

their own internal research regarding

body image harm. We make body image

issues worse for one in three teen

girls. This is according to a 2019

internal Meta presentation. 32% of teen

girls said that when they felt bad about

their bodies, Instagram made them feel

worse. That was a March 2020 internal

presentation. Meta's leaked internal

research showed that 32% of teen girls,

one-third, said Instagram made them feel

worse about their bodies and the company

knew it. Addiction by design. Meta

employee internal message. I I worry

that driving sess session incentivize us

to make our products more addictive

without providing much more value. How

to keep someone returning over and over

the same behavior each day. Intermittent

rewards are most effective. Think slot

machines. In focus groups, teens told us

they didn't like the amount of time they

spent on the app and they felt like they

had to be present. They often felt

addicted and know that what they're

seeing is bad for their mental health,

but feels but they feel unable to stop

themselves. On depression and anxiety,

teens blame Instagram for increases in

the rate of anxiety and depression said

another slide in a 2019 presentation.

This reaction was unprompted and

consistent across all groups. This is

their own research.

>> They also their own research showed they

have 4 million kids between 10 and 12 on

the platform when it's not supposed to.

13 is when they're not they didn't have

age age verification which isn't very

good anyway on the platform until 2019.

They This is what kills me with these

people. It's like how did how did four

million It's like oh four million kids

got into liquor stores somehow. Are you

[ __ ] kidding me? Four million kids.

How did that happen without them knowing

it? When they know everything that is

happening on that platform whenever they

go into this I don't you know kids can

get into things. You know my kid just

got into the refrigerator and took a you

know took a cookie the other day. That's

what they act like and in their own Let

me tell you I can't tell you how many

times

I have heranged Mark Zuckerberg on

safety and people inside the company

heranged him on safety. He just didn't

agree. And because he it cannot be

fired. If the board decides to fire him,

he can fire the board and appoint a new

board that likes him. He he can make

decisions on his own. And we are all

subject to decisions of one person who

has no accountability on him because

been making bad decisions whether it's

about anti-semitism, whether it's about

uh anything. And he always and he did

this again. And I I sighed I sighed for

free speech or not, you know, the filter

thing like, well, I decided not to act

paternalistic. Okay, Mark, don't act

paternalistic to toward adult users. We

get it. But you absolutely have to act

paternalistic towards young people. Like

the the safety issues about young the

fact that they still stick to their

idiotic guns when it comes to young

people. Let me mention another big tech

suit that just broke. Apple just got

sued by West Virginia for alleged

failure to curb child sexual abuse

materials on iOS devices and cloud

services. They should sue Grock. They

should sue all of them for these things.

And this is the way these companies are

going to go down like the cigarette

companies. And they still to me and I'll

stop ranting. His testimony show me once

again he is absolutely intractable in

his decision that everything he decides

is correct. And he it is simply not. It

is simply not. And let me be fair,

YouTube is bigger, but I it's all the

same to me. They're all enormous and

delotterious to the impact on our kids.

Period.

>> Just one more piece of data. Between

2010 and 2015, the number of 8th grade

through 12th graders exhibiting high

levels of depressive symptoms increased

by 33%. In the same period, the suicide

rate for girls in that age group

increased by 65%.

By 2015, 92% of teens owned a

smartphone. And today, here and now,

let's talk a little bit about young men.

Young men between the ages of 20 and 30

are spending less time outdoors than

prison inmates.

The data here, there are hundreds, if

not thousands of families whose kids

have killed themselves. There are

millions of families struggling with

anxiety and depression. And there's a

lot of different factors here, but this

definitively has made things worse.

The the good news is that I do think

finally, and I've said this before and

I've been wrong, but I'm going to say it

again. I think the worm has turned. And

that is typically it takes 20 to 30

years before the public moves in on a

well-funded addictive substance that is

creating harm across our society. It

took us 30 years with tobacco. It took

us 20 years with opiates. It looks like

it's going to take us about 20 years

here. But what you're seeing is it's

getting tied up in politics in sort of a

good way. And that is I think the

tariffs I think the ultimate reciprocal

tariff from different nations is going

to be they're going to start banning uh

US tech companies and they're going to

use this as a valid excuse. They're

going to say you're out. We're age

gating. We're banning this or where

they're going to ban an entire platform.

But it does feel like we're we are at a

turning point.

>> Well, the only this is a jury trial.

This is what's really interesting

because what I think is going to be the

problem for them is and by the way

sometimes like when some of the the FTC

stuff I see why Facebook or whatever

company won in certain ones of them,

right? But jury members either they have

kids and get it

>> know it at in their bones or they

themselves are addicted and call it

problematic usage when it's everybody

who you I'm addicted to food videos on

your on threads, Mark. I can't stop

watching them. And I am not an

addictive. I don't drink. I don't take

drugs. I am

>> absolutely addicted. There is no

question in my mind. And same with you,

right?

>> Some of it's good.

>> Some of it's good. And I use most of the

time I use I was looking at the time

spent. I use it for texting, like

bothering you, for example. But um but a

lot of it is addiction. And this jury is

going to hand you your head if you keep

insisting it's problematic usage. We

don't think you're totally at fault. I'm

sure this this poor girl had problems in

her family life, but this is a

contributing factor. Just like people

can have bad families and smoke

cigarettes,

it is it is part of of of a thing that

is making us worse as as as a country.

Um, and the same thing with Apple. They

should get sued. They should all get

sued and then we can have it out in

court. Same thing with the Epstein

victims and and the people and the

perpetrators. Let's have it all out in

court. Let's do it. Like if we lose, we

lose, but if we win, we win. And that to

me is the fairest thing.

>> I think we'll I think it'll start with

the kids. What I'm curious is if it

starts to

>> melt upwards, and that is

>> like cigarettes.

>> Well, the kids are the biggest problem,

right? And that's the one we're most

sensitive to.

>> That's where cigarettes started. But go

ahead.

>> I also think there's a real issue around

the coarsening of our discourse. I think

it's making us all more anxious and

making us all hate each other more. I

think I if if you type into open AI how

to ruin youth or how to undermine the

power of the United States both times

it'll come back with something that

resembles social media. There's just

people there's a reason and a lot of

it's economic that young people feel

worse and worse about America. But

social media is basically it's like when

you're in the third grade and two kids

start having words and everyone

surrounds them and shoves them and says

fight encourages them to fight. That's

happening a trillion times a day on

these platforms. It's turning even

amongst I spending a lot I'm thinking a

lot about how ways the left might [ __ ]

it up and lose in 26 and 28.

And one of those one of those ways is

the algorithms do a really good job of

convincing people who agree on 90% of

things to find the 10% they don't agree

on and figure out a way to get them

fighting and hating each other. You

know, it's just it really is ripping at

the fabric of society. I I I think our

adversaries are sitting back and

watching this and just loving it.

>> Yeah. I'm going to read from a very

famous author. Let me just read this.

All these companies began with a grozy

credo to change the world. But they have

done that in ways they did not imagine

by weaponizing pretty much everything

that could be weaponized. They have

mutated human connection so that

connecting people has often to become

about pitting them against one another

and turbocharged that discord into an

unprecedented and damaging volume. They

have weaponized social media. They have

weaponized the first amendment. They

have weaponized civil discourse and they

have weaponized most of all politics. I

wrote that in 2018. I got screamed at by

Facebook and the tech people for saying

that they were digital arms dealers.

That's what they are.

>> Have your time.

>> I'm just telling you it's just like

enough. Enough. And it begins, the

cigarette companies began with Joel

Camel, them using cartoons. They were

that cynical that they use cartoons to

attract kids to smoke. It's the same

thing and they need to stop. And same

thing, and by the way, let me not just

pick on Mark Zuckerberg. Apple, you need

to do something about CS Sam Gro, you

should be taken to court. Google, you

YouTube needs to be fixed in ways that

people kids don't become incredibly

addicted to what you're doing. And to

pretend otherwise just because you have

money, you can run over all these

senators and congressmen, you're not

going to run over all of us. That's my

feel. Anyway, that's enough. I'm going

to stop. All right, we're going to go on

a quick break. When we get back, Cole

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Scott, we're back. Late night host

Steven Cobear is calling out CBS and his

parent company Paramount for not

standing up to the bullies. Colbear

revealed this week that CBS lawyers told

him he could not air an interview with

Texas Democratic Senate candidate James

Telerico. Uh there were concerns about

running a foul of FCC Chairman Brandon

Carr, the [ __ ] as I like to call him,

and the FCC's equal time rule. Colobar

ended up posting the interview on

YouTube where as of this recording it

has nearly 7.5 million views. The

broadcast typically gets around 2.5

million viewers. This is just one single

interview. Coar summed up the irony on

his Tuesday episode. Let's listen.

So, we obeyed our network and put the

interview on YouTube where it's gotten

millions of views.

And and I I can see why. Taler Rico is

an interesting guy. I don't know what if

he should be the senator, but it was a

good discussion. I wish we could have

put it on the show where no one would

have watched it.

>> Uh CBS initially, they've been very

quiet lately, has been pushing back on

Cobar's version of events, saying the

show was not prohibited from airing the

Telerico and UNV, but was given legal

guidance and options. I've been in that

sphere. Coar took issue with that

statement, calling it crap, and it

indeed is crap. All of this has been a

major boost for Telerico who raised more

than $2.5 million uh dollars in the

first 24 hours after the interview went

on YouTube. Uh Brandon Carr, the [ __ ]

is calling it a hoax, by the way, saying

Telerico did this for the purpose of

raising money and getting clicks. Except

he then uh on this interview he did, I

think it was on Fox, uh said, "Oh, I

would have enforced it." So, he said he

would have done what they what what Coar

said he would have done. Um and then

also noted that this fair this this the

way he's in trying to thinking about

enforcing this equal time rule has not

been done in forever. So he just

admitted every calling it a hoax and

then admitted he was going to do exactly

what they said he was going to do.

Again, a [ __ ] Um and he thought this

is like some story like and I love Co

Bear I think is handling it beautifully.

I don't think he's being too virtue

signalally, but it is definitely a nail

in the coffin for broadcast television.

>> Yeah. Just to step back and try and

understand the real dynamics and the the

the shape of power here because we've

moved from a democracy and capitalism to

an autocracy and kletocracy. This is

what's going on. The president has made

it clear he will exercise his authority

unilaterally and illegally in my view to

decide who gets to acquire which

companies. And essentially he has

decided that okay um if the Ellison's

who own Paramount and CBS

fly their partisan proTrump flag, I will

figure out a way to get them Time

Warner. And so they are very sensitive

to trying to not offend him, plate him,

do whatever he wants regardless of the

First Amendment. And the the excuse

they're using is the following. The

FCC's equal time rule is a federal law

that requires broadcast stations to

provide equivalent air time to all

legally qualified candidates for the

same political office.

That theoretically makes sense, right?

Historically though, the FCC has

exempted many entertainment talk shows

and now they've decided to update this

and they're selectively enforcing it.

And by the way, folks, curiously, FCC

Chairman Carr has not yet attempted to

apply these rules to any conservative

talk shows.

>> He's he's sued the he's he's

investigating The View just on ABC for

having

>> The View and Coar,

>> by the way, has had Jasmine Crockett on

and probably asked right-wing people.

>> This is so ridiculous. But this is what

has happened. There's a decent chance

that FCC Chair Carr has given uh

Representative Taler Rico a decent shot

at being a senator in Texas. Now,

>> this has done nothing but bolster Torico

raised $2.5 million in the subsequent 48

hours. The

>> the big loser here is the FCC and Trump.

This has backfired. This is blown up in

their face. The Ellison, the Ellison's

are now now sitting on top of a

collapsing asset,

>> right?

>> And in addition, the other loser here,

just quite frankly, is Jasmine Crockett

>> because she she came out, unfortunately,

this has elevated Terico and Colbear to

hero status. And Crockett wishes she was

the one that got, you know, that got

sort of blacklisted, right? Cuz they

were running neck andneck. And the

likelihood according to the prediction

markets that

>> well it wasn't quite neck and neck. It

was like 60 40 and now pretty close I

think.

>> No no the prediction markets were he was

winning quite substantively but not as

much.

>> He went from 63 to 77.

>> Yeah. Right. That's that's

>> 63 is a lot. Right. That's

I mean that's basically when you're at

77 it's kind of said or it's getting to

the point where it looks like the race

may be over.

>> There's also early voting going on and

Democratic voting is alltime high. It's

crazy high and it's surpassing

Republicans. I'm going to link it

speaking of the Ellison's one two

things. Warner Brothers Discovery this

let me just tell you David maybe this

media thing isn't your best look. Warner

Brothers Discovery is reopening

negotiations with Paramount for the best

and final offer, but the clock is

ticking. Netflix has granted Warner a

seven-day waiver for these Paramount

talks. The deadline is February 23rd. Uh

Zazov wrote to Paramount's board that

David Zazov, who's the CEO, Warner, uh

welcomes the opportunity to see whether

the company can expeditiously deliver a

proposal that provides superior value,

meaning he's not calling it superior

value. Paramount has indicated it will

raise its bid to $31 a share and has

agreed to cover Warner's $2.5 billion

breakup fee owed uh to Netflix, which it

should have done in the first [ __ ]

place. A lot of these things they've

just agreed to, they should have done

months ago. Uh Netflix CE co-CEO Ted

Sandos explained why he agreed to this

in an interview with CNBC. Let's listen.

>> We gave them the opportunity to get

those shareholders exactly what they

deserve, which is complete clarity and

certainty about what the value of these

deals are. What we're certain is is that

the Netflix deal to acquire these assets

is the best deal creates generates the

best value for their shareholders and

they think so too. That's why they

recommended the deal and why they

reiterated recommending that deal post

this. So give them seven days to put

their money where their mouth is.

>> He's so smart. I got to say the other

part before you go in um uh they have to

they have to basically they have to give

more money. Really that's if they give

more money they'll probably get it. That

said, there's been a really, you know,

even though most of the narrative has

been anti-Netflix with Paramount has

done quite a bit of the making that

happen. Uh, this idea that they will

have to cut uh Paramount will be

disastrous because they're going to have

to cut because of the finances here.

They will they will decimate um

employment in Hollywood and Netflix will

not there both of them face different

challenges uh both regulatory and what's

going to happen. Warner Brothers has

scheduled the shareholder vote on the

Netflix deal from March 20th. Um, we'll

see what happens. Uh, David Ellison was

at the White House last week, by the

way. This after Trump said in an

interview he wasn't involved in the

deal. Who knows? Um, and let me link

this to Anderson Cooper. He's leaving 60

Minutes, which is a CBS property after

20 years. Uh, he's still at CNN, of

course. He signed a big deal with an $18

million deal with them recently. So if

this deal works out for parent, they

could take Warner's cable properties and

right find himself back. The reason he

did so was he said he was to spend time

with his family. He didn't want to work

with Barry Weiss. That I know this to be

true. Um he didn't like where 60 Minutes

was going and he he also didn't like

what was happening to his colleagues.

He's a he's a great journalist and he

just didn't want to work with these

people. So because he thinks I I would

assume he thinks they're lesser than and

and they are compared to him. So, uh,

another high-profile exit, not just

Anderson, Taylor Sheridan left, uh, who

does Yellowstone. Um, a lot of messes

there, both in the news division and

obviously with Coar. He's he'll be

leaving in May. Uh, your thoughts on on

these two things with the Ellisons. They

seem to be really, they may still win

it, but boy, they

>> First off, the way this is supposed to

work in a capitalist society is the

person who shows up with the biggest bag

of money gets preliminary approval by

the shareholders and then it goes under

regulatory review to make sure that

there's not too great a concentration of

power.

>> In my view, neither of these companies

should be able to acquire Warner

Brothers because it's too much

concentration of power. Having said

that,

>> this is the world we live in. One of

them is going to get it. What's

interesting is that it's clearly now

such a kleptocracy

that on Khi the likelihood that

Paramount takes over WBB WBD because it

has become obvious that the president's

is doing the Ellison's bidding is now

53% and Netflix's odds have fallen to

just 36%.

So

>> neck to neck on poly market just so you

know but

>> Paramount has sweetened the deal. They

agreed to pay $2.8 8 billion fee the WB

WBD would owe Netflix if the merger

agreement falls apart. They also added a

uh ticking fee of 25 cents per share

paid to Warner shareholders for every

quarter that the deal isn't closed

starting next year and the total cash

bid was raised to 78 billion back in

December. Here's what I don't

understand.

the union SAG After and the Writers

Guild decide to strike at exactly the

wrong moment a couple couple years ago

and basically took everyone had everyone

not work for seven months in order to

get nothing in exchange when they they

decided to strike at a weak point and

yet now

you just referenced this if the

Ellison's own they've already overpaid

for Paramount which looks to be through

a serious I call it a leaky yacht,

>> which looks to be just one after the

other creating self-inflicted wounds

that they just unforced errors, ungoals,

whatever you want to call it, that are

substantially

reducing the equity value and showing

how much they did in fact overpay.

Whether it's CBS News going from 5

million viewers to 4 million in one week

after the anchor transition,

60 Minutes might go away. I mean, these

things literally

>> Why would you stick Why would you poke

that in the eye? that actually was

successful. Oh,

>> so they've overpaid for Paramount.

They're probably going to have to

overpay, and I understand why the

rationale for Warner such they can get

something resembling consolidation. But

hey, hey, writer's guild. Hey, Saga.

What the [ __ ] do you think Ellison, one

of the largest providers of inference

and compute for AI, what do you think

their idea is going to be to rationalize

costs and somehow get a return on

investment here? What do you think is

going to h say what you want about Ted

Sarandos? He's a disciplined operator.

He likes the old Hollywood model.

>> He likes

>> Well, some of it some of it he likes,

some of it he doesn't. Yeah, but he's

not. Oh my god,

>> he's they've got the theater owners in

there.

>> Compared compared to Larry Ellison.

>> Agreed.

>> He is in love with those makeup artists

and those

>> Larry Ellison is going to leave you

Hollywood people naked without

>> He's going to say, "I have an idea.

>> Going to I know them. You know,

>> let's take let's take the 40 movie

release with an average budget of $140

million

>> and let's do 60 million. Let's do 60

movies at 14 million each using AI.

>> That's right.

>> And where do those where do those cost

efficiencies come from?

>> That's correct.

>> Instead of having 18 costume designers

on the Fantastic 5, they're going to

have one in an enic layer.

>> And by the way, it'll probably be AI

slop. I don't think it'll work.

Warner Brothers film unit

production cost by 40% and it's all

going to come out of and where the [ __ ]

are I can't believe the unions aren't

like

>> it's Netflix or we are not

>> I think you're finally right about these

unions. I mean I I think it's not great.

Listen listen the theater issue is a big

one but you know what consumers don't

like the theaters as much. Listen to

consumers. It's not because that tech

did something. They did. They gave them

an alternative that consumer. We all

have our own theater now. It's at home.

What they should be caring about is the

economic livelihood of the people

actually producing the content.

>> Correct. But the issue is the expenses.

Like I was just as I said I did this

heated rivalry interview. I mean they

made that show which is an enormous hit

for which is by the way on HBO Max uh

for two two million to3.5 million an

episode. Stranger Things 50 to60 million

dollars an episode. I mean, and the

government helped pay for it. There's no

way our government's gonna help pay for

a gay hockey love story. But that said,

it's the economics are changing so

drastically, you don't even have to use

AI to understand you need to change the

economics. And let me tell you in no

uncertain terms, having covered Larry

Ellison for 30 years, he is going to do

what it takes. He is has no

sentimentality toward anything except

making more money and so he will do

whatever it takes and that includes

squeezing all of you and for his for his

benefit and I know David loves movies

etc etc but at some point uh this is not

a romantic fantasy of saving Hollywood

it's not that's what kills me and here's

the here's the thing I don't think the I

think the elins have misplayed this so

badly they've taken too long they should

have done all those things they just

agreed to months ago uh to make it

better. They should have increased the

price if they really wanted it. They're

they're being very cute here and all

they do is attack Netflix. They are very

prime for attack. And then meanwhile

over at CBS we're getting a preview of

their shitty management and their shitty

decisions whether it's Taylor Sher

Taylor Sheridan which I thought was in

massive miss Anderson Anderson Cooper

who you may end up buying the Ellison's

man buying and being his boss he cares

so little for them he's willing to quit

60 minutes and he's going to whatever

happens if they get if they become his

boss that's how much he doesn't like

them. He know he they could they could

end up being his boss in 15 minutes.

That that should tell you everything

about it is quality people don't want to

be affiliated with it. So I listen I

agree probably this consolidation is a

problem and and there probably was a

better

I don't know what the better deal here.

I thought the spin-off was the best idea

for now and then later they could sell

the film studio. That's was my feeling.

That was my feeling on the whole thing.

Um, but this is where it's headed and

the Ellison's are showing you exactly

how they manage a property and you

should pay attention to it.

>> I for the life of me, I can't figure out

why the unions haven't come out and

said, "If Paramount gets this, we're

out."

>> Yep.

>> We're out.

>> We're good luck. Good luck managing this

thing. Day one, day one after this

closes, we're shutting the whole [ __ ]

thing down.

>> Well,

>> no TV production, no attention to

people. You know, they offered Anderson

Cooper a fortune to run to be the head

of the to be the face of 60 Minutes and

he even he couldn't do business with

them. So, I'm just saying a lot of

money, you know, and by the way, he

should spend more time with his kids,

but that's not what happened here.

Anyway, although I think it's partial.

I'm sure that's partial. So, anyway, uh

let's go on a quick break. When we come

back, we'll talk about the Pentagon's

fight with anthropic. This is something

else.

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There's so much news, it's all

different. The Pentagon is considering

cutting ties with Anthropic amid a

dispute over how Claude can be used by

the military. Anthropic wants limits on

uses like for weaponry that fires

without human input and mass uh this

domestic surveillance seems reasonable,

but the Pentagon wants access for all

lawful purposes. Open a Google and XA

have agreed to have models deployed in

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Hexath is reportedly also considering

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which could force contractors seeking to

work with the US military to stop using

claws. Senior Pentagon official said the

change will be a pain in the ass and the

Pentagon would make sure Anthropic pays

a price. Pete is a [ __ ] idiot. He

just actually let go of someone who has

an incredible um he forced out this

colonel who had this incredible record

cuz just cuz he's competent. Um really

interesting. There was just a picture

from I think it was India where the

anthropic CEO and Sam Alman wouldn't

hold hands for a second together which

was funny. They're in a big beef but

that's a separate beef. Um, this is

really interesting. I'd love to know

what you think about this because

they're not they're standing firm. It

looks like anthropic is like we're not

going to be used, you know, to attack

humans without a human intervention or

domestic surveillance, etc.

>> Yeah. So, the the Pentagon, they're

threatening to they're threatening to

sever its $200 million relationship with

Anthropic.

>> Not big. Not too big

>> because the AI firm insists on

maintaining limitations on how the

military uses their LLM. uh anthropics

red lines are no mass surveillance of

Americans and no fully autonomous

weaponry. Right? So,

but this is yet another example

of

a a loss of capitalism. This is

technically a very severe form of

socialism and that is the state has

decided they control the means of

production. private companies are

allowed to have their own guidelines and

if those guidelines mean they can't work

with a military contractor they they get

to make that decision.

So this is and them trying to shame them

and threaten them economically

is the worst type of socialism. So all

of these quoteunquote free market people

claiming this is private companies

Vox gets to decide if it doesn't want to

work with the Pentagon.

And so

if they sign a contract, fine, they have

to live up to their contract. But the

fact that Anthropic has these

guidelines, I again think this is a bit

of a cold bear moment for Anthropic. And

that is Anthropic has starts their hat

white in an environment where the

majority of Americans feel really uneasy

about AI. So, Anthropic has sort of

positioned itself as the clean, well-lit

corner of the bookstore here,

>> like Apple and privacy or Apple and not

>> 100%. We're the good guys.

>> Mhm.

>> And so, I I I as we sit here today, I

actually think that Anthropic or in the

next 12 months, this one of our

predictions is going to be worth more

than open AI. But this is a win for

anthropic and another example of the

government deciding they get to dictate.

They're not breaking the law. The

government gets to dictate visav laws

that okay, you can't discriminate based

on someone's sexual orientation, race,

ethnicity, gender, whatever. They can

enforce that. There's no law saying that

if you're a company that doesn't want to

engage in mass surveillance of citizens

that you're you have to work with the

government. that there this is this is

socialism gone arry. This is market

intervention where there shouldn't be

any. And when it comes from on Pentagon

stationary, I mean they might as well

just have had Donald Trump sign this. I

think this is actually going to be

>> it's a text will you do what I say.

>> It's a col bear moment. Daario Emodi is

being like Colar and sticking up the

middle finger and a lot of enterprises

and a lot of consumers are going to go,

you know, I like a company that refuses

to engage in mass mass surveillance of

its own citizens.

>> Yeah, I think this is a good Anyway,

we'll see. Pete Hag says, you're also a

[ __ ] Anyway, um one more quick break.

We'll be back for predictions.

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>> Okay, Scott, we're going to talk about

predictions, but first, um, I have one

prediction I'm going to make, but I'm

going want to do this first. The US

military is moving into place for a

possible Iran strike. probably because

this Webpstein stuff is getting hot

again for Trump as early as this

weekend. Scott, let's hear what you said

in January.

>> Bottom line is my prediction is that I

think we're about to see the US conduct

a military strike on Iran.

>> Now, you thought it was pretty quickly,

but the state uh but but it's happening

possibly this weekend. There's they've

they've amassed an enormous amount of

military might in the region, probably I

think more than when they were doing the

last war, they were over there. So it's

that this the things are in place, the

battleships are in place. You do you

want to talk about that or do you have a

different prediction?

>> Oh, no. I I think it's on and and let me

be clear. I like this. I would like to

see I think the Islamic Republic is one

of the most misogynistic, brutal regimes

in the world right now. And I think Iran

has the cap the potential uh to be an

outstanding ally. And I think if and

there's a lot of unknowns here. regime

change, you know, brings its own risk

>> and why he's doing it at this moment.

But go ahead.

>> But he can be doing it for the wrong

reasons and can still have a good

outcome. I'm I'm absolutely 100% in

favor of this. And I think that Iran uh

being quote unquote

just less oppressive, less brutal, will

be really good for the region and really

especially good for the women of Iran

>> if they can complete what they need to

complete. If they just don't and they

just beat them up again and then leave,

it's a different issue.

>> I think the regime the regime is hobbled

and I think this could tip it over. I

not to get in too much in the Jesus, I

think they need to coordinate with the

MSAD and have agents on the ground and

do a series of of targeted executions

quite frankly or assassinations.

Execution is the wrong word.

Assassinations.

But I'm a I'm a huge I'm a huge

proponent of this. If you look at troop

movements, whether it's refueling

planes, supply chain cargo, aircraft

carriers, uh, specialized operations

troops, they are either playing serious

poker or they are about to do this

imminently.

>> They kind of have to, right? And Trump's

probably in the mood. I think that I

think the other factor here is he has a

State of the Union on Tuesday. I think

he can't complete a state of the union.

I just

>> He also he also wanted to distract from

the Epstein files.

>> Epstein files. loves he loves the macho

flex of what happened in Venezuela. This

he thinks is going to be part two

>> which didn't last too long.

>> And also Rubio positions himself for

president with these types of actions.

And Rubio is probably whispering in his

ear this would be a great move for us.

Uh I I'll be very curious how our allies

in the region what they think of this.

But I I think it's on and I have think I

have thought if you just look if you

just track um uh troop movements, ship

movements, supply chain movements. I

mean we are moving a lot of stuff to the

region and we are sort of we are ready

to go. We are at the starting line.

>> Yeah, he'll cancel the state of the

union would be my guess. If this is

happening thought of that

>> um and I don't think he can complete

one. I don't I think he is quite losing

it as you know in some fashion. I'm not

so sure he's he's I think I know he

seems vibrant, but I I suspect that it's

there's problems around that. Um that's

just me. Uh one the only prediction I

would say is today uh Wired published a

story about uh the gay mafia in Silicon

Valley. They had written me about it and

I was like there's no such thing. There

just isn't. Sorry.

>> Gay mafia.

>> Yeah, I know. It's the it's a story that

they wanted to work on. They had

contacted me years ago about it and

they're like let's talk about you and

the game. I'm like there is no I don't

have friends with Kim Cook. There's no

gay mafia. There's I mean, sorry, but I

thought it was a silly idea and I still

think it is. And I have to say I think

they're going to get a lot of push back

for the illustration which shows uh two

hands coming out of two crotches, one

with a with a rainbow, you know, Apple

watch on uh but the penises are hands

and they're shaking. So, I thought that

was so [ __ ] insulting to gay people.

I'm sorry, guys. That was a terrible

illustration. Like I don't usually I

usually laugh at most like jokes about

gays, but oh my god, you don't have to

have, you know, penis.

>> Well, there's definitely no gay mafia,

but it's obvious that Jews run the

world. I mean,

>> right?

>> What the [ __ ] But why do you have penis

hands? We don't need penis hands.

>> Yeah. Just speaking along those lines,

George Han pointed out something that

really struck me as very insightful.

>> I think they're going to get in trouble

for it. That's my prediction because

it's stupid and it's really offensive

and I don't usually get offended. So

that's my meter. But go ahead. We

referenced Heated Rivalry before and he

said the thing he loved about Heated

Rivalry and it just struck me as so true

is that he felt it was the first time

>> that not one but both gay men were

depicted as just incredibly high

performance good-looking functional

>> like impressive men. One wasn't one

wasn't neurotic or quote unquote very

flamboyant or one wasn't struggling with

some they're just both really impressive

men and I I literally tick through every

depiction of gay romance and he's right

there's usually one person that feels

>> lesbians have gotten a better shake

recently

>> kagy and lacy

>> no lord and things like that um but yes

I agree with you I agree there's a great

book that I recommended vto Russo the

celluloid closet is a history of how

gays were depicted it uh and it it it

continues to this day and for gay men

they do not get as much complexity as

these two. I'd agree with you. Yep.

Absolutely.

>> Well, a certain extent the Epstein the

Epstein class has sort of diminished the

comfortable notion that gay people are

more inclined to be pedophiles. No, it's

it's rich white dudes that seem to be

more inclined.

>> Rich straight white dudes.

>> Yeah. And let me tell you, go straight

to hell for doing anyone who did that

should go straight to hell. Anyway, on

that note, um, uh, and no more penis

penis handshakes. Anyway, uh, we want

wired. I love you, Katie, but

>> I don't get a prediction. You're just

rolling right.

>> You just did that. No, no, go ahead. No,

now you have another one. Go ahead.

>> What was my prediction? I

>> military Iran.

>> Well, I made that one a month ago.

>> All right. Okay. What's your new I want

to say? You just I feel hurt. I feel

shamed. Okay, go ahead.

>> Okay, fine. We're bombing Iran. Never

mind.

>> No, go ahead. No. What's your

prediction? Well, I don't know if you've

noticed, but about $1 trillion

in value has been destroyed amongst the

biggest AI players since the beginning

of the year

>> as you were noting they would

>> and what's interesting about it is I

mean a few things need to happen needed

to happen either revenues needed to like

even jump more to justify the the

massive capex and that didn't happen. So

their stocks have come down. What's

really interesting in my opinion is that

what also happened though is that people

still think these technologies

um I mean just an example Amazon's off

14%. Microsoft's off 17%. B Apple

>> Apple has dropped Amazon's had its worst

couple weeks in a in several years.

>> Yeah, they've lost

500 billion.

>> They've lost a lot. Um, so but what's

also interesting is there's been a

trillion dollar wipeout at SAS companies

and that was when Enthropic unveiled its

uh Claude Co-work uh legal automation

tool.

>> It triggered uh what traders at Jeffre

immediately christened the SAS

apocalypse erasing approximately 285

billion in market cap in a single

trading day.

>> Software companies. Yeah. The general

notion is that people aren't going to

need that basically you're going to be

able to write a prompt and you'll be

able to replace Adobe, Salesforce,

Service Now.

>> Yeah.

>> And that these companies have been fat

and happy for 30 or 40 years.

>> Yeah, they have.

>> And these companies So

>> this one I agree with.

>> Well, it's interesting because

Salesforce is off 25%.

Uh Adobe is off 25 to 30% this year.

Intuitit is now down 34%. It's lost a

third of its value year to date. Now my

view and this is and this is my

prediction is that

these companies are much more deeply

integrated into their corporate

customers than people believe. And even

if you can write the code really

efficiently and quickly without their

technical staff at these companies,

their technical staff is only 10 to 20%

of their employees.

So they have they have really powerful

UI, they have client service, they have

client management, they have integrated

billing, they they are so deep into

these companies that I think rumors of

the death of these companies has been

vastly exaggerated. And as a multiple of

free cash flow, these companies have

never traded at a lower multiple. In

addition, if you actually look at the

>> opportunity is what you're saying

>> 100%. If you actually look at their

revenues and their margins, there is

absolutely no evidence whatsoever that

AI is hurting them. None whatsoever.

>> Yeah.

>> So my prediction is that a basket

>> a basket of stocks Adobe

>> Figma Service Now Salesforce that

they're going to have um great returns

from here on out. I think

>> especially if they integrate the AI

features in in a way that's helpful to

people, right? That's what it it I find

them like I what what's interesting is

and I think we should talk about this

Monday, this fight between open and I

just hired um a very significant person

from from Instagram, Charles Porch,

who's really talented talent relations.

Um Figma did a deal with Claude, you

know, uh Open AI got a hold of OpenClaw,

right? It's really interesting what's

happening. It starts to become what's

actually useful and who takes advantage

of the utility. Correct. And some of

Adobe could do it, right? They could

easily make their product 100 times

better.

>> Well, just looking at it operationally,

say they spend 10 or 20% on programming

and that's no longer a a moat because AI

can come in and write the code just as

easily. These companies themselves could

reduce their cost by 10 or 20%. Shed

that technical staff quite frankly and

then pass on those savings to their end

consumer while not giving up any ibita

or margin. In other words, 80 80% of

their capex goes into things that or or

their expenditures goes into things that

AI is not challenging. AI is challenging

their technical mode, but AI is not

challenging the fact that

my even my shitty small companies were

all on Salesforce. The idea of someone

coming in and saying, "We'll give you

50% we'll we'll charge you 50% less."

I'm like, "Are you kidding? I just spent

the last [ __ ] year training everyone

how to use Salesforce, right? We're all

on it." if they give me more for

>> and I get invited to cool Salesforce

events and they give me research and the

nice attractive dude who used to play

football at Cornell shows up and he's

our Salesforce representative. These

these companies are much more deeply

integrated

>> into their client base even if if

there's a widget on anthropic that helps

you build the code that they offer. It's

just not that

>> there has to be an alternative stack is

what you're talking about that match

>> well did that it what it'll do though

these companies are smart what it'll do

first off I think these companies are

really fat and happy and there's a lot

of expense cutting that they they could

all endure my prediction is the

following I think the sale or the

decline on uh these these companies

Adobe Salesforce Service Now I I think

it's been overdone and that a basket of

the companies that have endured this SAS

apocalypse are going to are going to do

really Well, I think it's a great

investment because if you look at their

multiple on free cash flow, they've

never been lower. They've never been

cheaper. And I see absolutely no

evidence whatsoever that AI is reducing

their top line or their bottom line.

>> Greatly exaggerated.

>> That's exactly right.

>> All right. So, anyway, that's a great

one. I love that one. Um, I think you're

right. I think you're 100% right. We

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call 85551 pivot. Elsewhere in the Karen

Scott Universe this week on Profy

Markets. Scott spoke with Professor

Aswath Deotin, professor of finance at

NYU's Stern School of Business to

discuss why he's concerned that the

market is ignoring catastrophic risks.

After the second world war, we put

together an economic order centered

around the US and the US dollar and

that's coming apart and the market seems

to essentially be blowing back saying it

doesn't matter. We're we're going to

figure out a way and just like we did on

co and maybe that's part of what's going

on here is people are saying markets are

resilient enough they're going to find a

way even through this dramatic change in

how the global economy is run to find

the other side. There seems to be too

much of an acceptance that we'll figure

a way through this without serious pain.

>> Well, that's what they're like whistling

past the grave. That's great. He's so

smart. Otherwise, is so smart. Um, we

obviously didn't talk about RFK Jr. and

Kid Rock's exercise video.

>> I don't know how to feel about that.

>> We don't know how to feel about that. I

feel like if I watch that and then watch

Heated Rivalry, I might just explode

into an orgy of like

>> They said the worst the worst season of

Heated Rivalry was those two. Oh my god.

God. rage against.

>> Every time I see Kid Rock, I immediately

think, "How much Sudafed can I buy at a

CVS?

>> There's so much good stuff on the

internet about it." But remember, it's

your taxpayer dollars at work. Oh my

god, there's

>> a milk in a hot tub. That's all I have.

>> That's the workout video for single dads

who fight for child custody and then

never see their kids.

>> Thank you. Let's end on that. Okay,

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