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Mr host comedian true Superstar who's in

Nick Cannon I'm me

Nick you've been a Pioneer I read that

one of your companies has generated more

than a hundred million dollars that was

just in our headphones sale we have a

tour that makes millions a cruise line

restaurants as a kid I learned that I

may not be the most talented person in

the room but I'll be the hardest worker

in the world that's how you get it some

people play basketball and that's a

basketball players don't try it if you

try it it's not gonna do it as if

there's no other option so by the time I

was 17 I started writing for Keenan and

kale the youngest staff writer in TV

history yeah I was like Harry Potter

with the pig and then Will Smith signed

to me I was living my dream life but I

always felt like I had a ticking clock

the latest on the health scare from Nick

Cannon Nick Cannon has lupus if you

don't catch it and control it it you can

lose your life pretty quickly you said

that you wouldn't be alive right now if

it wasn't for Mariah Carey yeah it makes

you question what are you going to do

with the time that you you have on this

planet what impact are you going to make

when you're not afraid of dying you

focus on living and then you dealt with

the loss of your son at just five months

old due to brain cancer

you never know how strong you are to the

only option

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Nick what do I have to understand about

your earliest years to understand the

man that you are today

I'm gonna steal that question

uh

I'd have to say that uh

optimism

youthful optimism

you know some call it imagination

but I the world was just

so big but yet so tangible for me you

know uh I felt even as you I felt like I

had this magic that I could just

manifest anything

uh good or bad you know what I mean it

was a

I I lived this life to where as small as

the community was

disenfranchised and maybe

not as upwardly mobile as as uh one

would see from the household I had this

big imagination and in my mind is

superpower that I could be do or

whatever whatever I wanted I it was all

in my grasp and I could I don't know

where I got it from but I was just as a

kid as a teenager

I always felt like I had this ability to

to walk in a room and get whatever I

wanted

but the environment that you were raised

in wasn't one of yeah great abundance

yeah that's what was so crazy about it

like I would you know even growing up in

the projects growing up in scenarios

that we didn't have a lot but I felt

like I had a lot I felt like

I was always destined for to and it

wasn't even like about Fame it wasn't

about

um money it was just about

I like my life I'm gonna have fun I'm

gonna have a good time I was always that

you know you know let's

let's smile about it you know what I

mean uh even in some

difficult and he had tumultuous times I

would still find you know a silver

lining I would still find a way to smile

through pain and

uh it's it's worked you know it's always

kept me

level-headed you know

um even in the midst of having a

a a abnormal and extraordinary life it's

like

even the thing that humbles me is the

fact that I'll just enter spaces with

gratitude and optimism

even in pain

what was your family home like

see that's the thing like probably

looking back at it

one would be like it definitely wasn't

Orthodox you know and we didn't come

from much but

it was joyous it was filled with love

you know my parents had me you know as

teenagers they were young I went to my

dad's High School graduation like uh

but

you know his parents helped raise me my

mom was constantly working you know

school work my dad went off to college

uh

and then you know I kind of felt like I

grew up with my parents uh and their

parents assisted in raising us all so

but it was households filled with love

um but you know wasn't traditional by

any means so there there were the

obstacles of you know trying to figure

it out and

parents and grandparents putting food on

the table uh but that I think that also

gave me a different type of drive to say

all right we're gonna we're gonna have

to make something out of nothing

your parents separated when you were

very young obviously I feel like my

parents had sex once

just one time

and then I showed up uh because they

were kids man you know like I don't

really know

the intricate details of the

relationship but I definitely knew they

weren't together

um it was a

but not not enemies by any means you

know what I mean they were they were

just teenagers they were kids so uh

after you know I was born they kind of

went their separate ways but

my dad's parents kind of kept kept

everyone together and it was a

close-knit thing and you know when when

my mother needed assistance and uh my

grandmother would would be there to help

her out my father's mother and even

though my father necessarily wasn't

physically present for you know he was

you know actually doing

good things for himself where you know

getting a college degree and trying to

figure it out and have a family

infrastructure elsewhere uh

his mom would help my mom kind of keep

me afloat he turned his life around

quite significantly didn't he yeah yeah

yeah my dad was definitely headed down a

path uh of Destruction early on and then

it clicked for him you know

through some experiences of you know

incarceration

you know being able to kind of leave

some of those

substances out there that were you know

kind of the downfall of you know the

community in the 80s he was he was able

to escape and get put his life on the

right path and you know dedicated his

life to his ministry and helping others

it worked

when you were you were a young man you

nearly went down the wrong path yeah I

went down there figured like it made a

u-turn went back you know what I mean

like uh

I I think human nature we all kind of

gravitate towards the unknowing

sometimes and that usually is the past

header are sometimes the darkest

sometimes like you just want to

you don't want to do the responsible

thing you don't want to do what your

parents may suggest so I I definitely

have a rebellious nature I'm definitely

an anti-authoritarian I'm definitely the

kid that has to feel that the pot is hot

you know they're like okay I'm not gonna

I know what getting burned feels like so

um I think it's probably just my

you know nature of exploring and wanting

to understand things

it's cool it's cool to be a bad boy when

you're young uh and especially when for

me the mold wasn't necessarily presented

that way so

I I definitely went through a stage of I

want to prove to people that you know

I'm I'm not a Goody Two Shoe all the

time and I would that took so much

touring to do

um but then it's also a lot of it is

environment when you grow up in

especially Southern California you know

there's times where

uh the life of gang violence was

glorified and you know whether it's

through music through entertainment

through our culture you know

uh when you come from the trenches you

get a certain level of respect you get a

certain level of uh

reverence

so I I grew up admiring a lot of that

and therefore kind of took that path a

few times but you know luckily I didn't

get caught up you know like

some of my my other friends and

Associates did what saved you from that

puff creativity like I said that

optimism which then obviously was

transmuted into entertainment

when you're a young man say you're like

between the age of 10 and 14. if I'd

asked you what you wanted to be and what

you thought you'd be when you were

42. yeah yeah what would you have told

me

uh same thing a rapper you know probably

that if it was just as simple as like at

10 years old what I was focused on I

loved hip-hop

I loved I knew I was in my mind I was

famous in the hood like I just wanted to

eat because I was already doing stuff

there you know what I mean I always had

demo tapes and I was already connected

to our

to our streets and our blocks just as

being in the community somebody with a

voice not always a positive voice I was

you know I was considered a uh

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I try to think I wasn't a bad kid but I

was a kid that everybody knew about you

know but luckily

my art my creativity allowed people to

appreciate me

um even at 10 years old like within my

family within my community what did your

art and creativity look like at that

stage rap music yeah it was loud it was

adhd-ish it was the kid who could do it

all you know kind of also had a church

background so I was you know I was

always I was a Class Clown at school

trying to be funny starting to just

figure out oh there's careers in that

space so I started to look up to a lot

of people like the Eddie Murphy's

uh even the you know at the time The

Fresh Prince as we know is Will Smith

but he was just he was just charismatic

funny rapper at the time so those were

you know but at the same time I was

looking up to the ice cubes and two

shorts and you know which was a whole

different energy

um so that was kind of like my makeup of

like well I want to be like these guys

and you start doing stand-up comedy at

11 years old I had 11. that's TV

officially doing it at 11. I have been

you know doing stuff in church and stuff

you know trying to make people laugh but

like first stand-up stage I got home was

I was 11 years old strikes me as someone

that grew up very quickly yeah

because I I was always caught an old

soul

uh and I think it was because I grew up

around

older people with uh my grandparents

kind of being you know

Patriarchs for me

um

their children were my siblings my

father who was you know a teenager was

somewhat more of like a big brother type

of uh thing so like even the way he

dealt with me and even the people that I

dealt with in my community I just I kind

of had mannerisms and a jargon that was

a little little wise beyond my years

you're a big brother as well right yeah

and then you know ultimately my dad had

a my mother's only child but my dad had

five five boys in total so you know I

was the and I was the oldest and he and

I's connection was different than you

know the connection with my younger

brothers because I was almost someone

you know

I was closer to my father

then you know his parenting style was

different with me than it was with you

know his younger children it boggles my

mind that someone at 11 years old starts

doing stand-up comedy yeah because it

takes takes some guts and some

confidence to do that but I guess that

speaks to who you were at 11 years old

yeah by 15 years old you're at The

Comedy Store

yeah I mean I met so many comedians but

Jamie was definitely one of the ones

that kind of just because it's such a

giving

and loving individual kind of saw this

kid and and was like I love it like come

hang out like and because you know

Hollywood was

miles away from my neighborhood so uh

figuratively and literally like it was

just like I needed a place to stay a lot

of times so you know catching

catching car rides or even once I got my

own vehicle I had nowhere to sleep so

people would know that I was sleeping in

my car

or wouldn't have a place to sleep so

people like Jamie Foxx would let me

sleep on that couch

Brothers like guy Tori if you've seen

the Fat Tuesday documentary about you

know the the black Side Of The Comedy

Store he had a night that you know he

would let me open up and as people were

coming in I'd be entertaining the

audience at like as a teenager you know

and the guys like Chris Tucker and Damon

Wayans and Eddie Griffin all these guys

will be going on later on in the night

but I was the guy I was the kid that was

welcoming you know everybody into their

seats and it'd be like Shaquille O'Neal

and Kobe Bryant and Snoop Dogg and like

all of these people in the audience and

there's this 15 year old on stage you

know rapping and telling jokes and you

know everybody else saw something that I

was just I was just having a blast I was

I didn't think about what the future was

going to uh to offer up I was just like

yo this is this is a dream come true

right now

people might hear that and go oh he got

lucky 15 years old whatever you know

what was then talk to me about the

intentionality behind that like if

there's a 15 year old listen to

listening to this right now yeah

what did you do to put yourself there in

hindsight it's not always easy to know

in the moment yeah I was definitely a

hustler like it what I don't think you

know I don't believe in luck I believe

in alignment you know what I mean like

and you got to put yourself in those

positions it's like you know some people

say luck is preparation meets

opportunity

um

I was always speaking

myself into existence I would put myself

in those environments like I I met Jamie

Foxx because I walked up to him like yo

what's up Jamie Foxx I'm Nick Cannon

like ever since I was four years old I

introduced myself as my full name like

everybody used to think it was so funny

like as a four-year-old I'm Nick Cannon

like I just thought my name was cool I

thought you everybody else you know you

teach a kid to say their first name and

it's funny I teach my children the same

way like nah you got your full name your

your your Monroe Cannon you're you know

your powerful Canon you know what I mean

like and I think maybe I got that from

such a cool last name like I think my

dad probably did that his dad probably

did that like it's just like they called

you know my grandfather they called him

Cannon or daddy Cannon it was just like

it's such a cool name so and that's why

I was like I believe it's so much in the

name but so even as I think those steps

kind of ordered

the personality so then when I would

find myself in scenarios that I would

take advantage of them I wasn't a shy

kid wasn't overly outgoing kid either I

wasn't like I I kind of my 80d kind of

maybe

shifted like made me always

seeking attention or like I don't say I

was seeking it I got attention because I

was always doing something I was always

in some because I was just trying

to figure it out therefore I got a lot

of attention and a lot of it probably

wasn't positive attention but it was

just attention

um

and then from there you know that

shifted you know I grew up around

Hustler so I was like all right we're

gonna try to we're going to figure it

out if it was a door over there I'm

gonna figure out how to get in that door

uh and that's how I was able to rub

shoulders and you know I I studied rooms

and I'm like all right I if I'm a if I'm

a maneuver in here I gotta do it in a

way that

not just based off of instinct I gotta I

gotta put a plan together and I I move

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did you learn from Jamie Foxx What What

In lasting influence has he had on you

the way you are your career your

perspective it's so interesting man I

have so many great mentors coming up

um I feel like a lot of my first part of

my career

I always acknowledge and bigged up Will

Smith yeah because he was so influential

to me uh you met him from Jake by

through Jamie not well yeah yeah I guess

yeah yeah but it wasn't directly like

Jamie didn't introduce me to will but

Jamie had a Comedy Festival called

laughapalooza that uh Will Smith's

company Overbrook saw me at that Comedy

Festival and gave me a holding deal at

the time what they were called and kind

of signed me to Will's company which

then I got to meet will you know a few

months later after getting that

opportunity in Atlanta at La for palooza

um

and then that's when will and I's

relationship uh began when I was about

16 years old so it's like I met Jamie

when I was 15 and then I met will when I

was 16. it's hard to think of many more

greater multifaceted entertainers than

Will Smith and Jamie Foxx man that's

what I'm saying like they they trained

me like and it's it's so crazy because

two of the nicest human beings you would

ever want to meet like never seen like

it's what you see on camera is that's

who they are you know what I mean like

like walking a room everyone

gravitates towards them they they're

they're loud they they know how to have

a good time like that's just who those

guys are so I don't think I'm naturally

like that like I I I talked to Kevin

about that a lot like when I come in a

room I'm quiet Kevin Hart like like uh

he's one of those guys that like

they they're loud they're like everyone

loves them like I'm more like I'm in the

corner I'm watching I'm observing I know

how to be that I can you know I can joke

with the best of them and get as much

attention and stuff but I'm I'm a little

more reserved uh and that's like to

finally answer your question in a very

long-winded way like the things I

probably learned from Jamie is

I observed him so much that

he's such a great Storyteller I've

stolen all of the tricks of when he can

get everybody around the table and tell

the story he's he's such a great

impromptu type of guy I could sit down

at a piano and you know sing a song and

get everybody like I know all of those

tricks and I'll probably learn that from

him you know what I mean just watching

how to you know Captivate a room in a

very jovial manner uh no matter what's

going on but uh man yeah he's and just

his his his thespian muscle is so strong

you know what I mean and I think from

whether he's being a silly character

he's being something that's so tuned in

uh and understanding the subtleties and

really embodying you know all of his

characters I learned a lot of that from

him as well too and will so you describe

Willis you're mentoring you from 16

years old yeah the thing I learned from

him is hard work and and really like

obviously I've heard he said this quote

so many times like I may not be the most

talented person in the room but I

guarantee you I work the most challenges

in the room or or have also heard him

say I'm you know I may not be the most

talented person in the room but I'll be

the hardest worker in the room uh and he

just

if you want something

he's not gonna stop until he figures it

out you know and he dedicates himself in

that manner

you know when this job is done he's

gonna

stop where everybody else is going to go

to sleep he's gonna go work 10 more

hours to either perfect that craft or on

to the next thing and I saw that at you

know as a teenager I'm like okay that's

how you get it that's what I'm gonna do

I'm if you're not sleeping I'm not

sleeping you know and it'd be times like

up in the studio all night and then

being on set early in the morning and

you just you're so grateful and

appreciative of the opportunity that you

want to be the best you could possibly

be

correct any of the errors in your ways

when you're a young man you're 16 years

old you've got a perspective yeah

he thought I mean every I mean before I

met will I didn't know how to

even musically I know how to rap 16 bars

I didn't know what that was like I knew

I knew music counting you know what I

mean but I didn't know a verse

specifically a rap verse was supposed to

be 16 bars and I think that culture

might have had just started to happen

because everybody wasn't writing 16 bars

and 80s you know what I mean sometimes a

song would be seven verses or sometimes

you know like people would just but I

feel like they were there in the 90s

they're beginning this uh infrastructure

of songwriting uh obviously most

choruses and hooks are about eight bars

uh and then therefore

you had to have a hot 16 double that was

your verse and will taught me how to

write because I was just writing he

would give me a beat or I get a track

and I would just write and just memorize

it and then be like oh well let me spit

this for you and he's like you need some

infrastructure around that he's like you

got some good stuff there so even as you

know simple as something like that is

but then he also just life ways man I

learned a lot about

Integrity character

um obviously perseverance from him and

then stuff that he went through as a

teenager he passed on to me and even I

didn't listen but I learned you know he

went broke you know at 19.

um after winning a Grammy and having a

platinum album

just spending it all on cars and living

fast he did I think my first check was

somewhere from him like 150 200 000 and

I went and bought uh the exact same

Range Rover he had and he's like I'm the

biggest movie star in the world like I'm

he's got millions I got a hundred and

fifty thousand dollars and I went and

bought a Ranger he told me don't do it

he's like man he's like I don't do that

like you gotta there's other things to

do with that money and this is from the

person who gave it to me

um

and he was right I totaled that Range

Rover six months within having it and

ended up having to move back to my mom's

house probably a year later because

thinking that you know all I'm signed to

Will Smith the opportunities but you

don't like that's money that you're

supposed to survive on those everything

that you know uh that was a time I I

wrote uh and created a television sitcom

three wheels company called Loose Cannon

and it was like me in a military school

a teenager in a military school thinking

they was going to get picked up we got a

six episode commitment Will Smith the

executive producer Quincy Jones is on

set like everything Stan Lathan is the

director of the pilot like everything

I'm like oh I'm set

the entire network of the WB makes a

shift and they don't pick up the show so

it's like I thought I was I was and it's

so funny I didn't ever even think about

these correlations the one of the

executive producers and writers was

Bentley Kyle Evans who's a writer and

creator of Jamie Foxx at our my time

slot was scheduled to come on my show

was gonna air right after the Jamie Foxx

Show so I was like it was all together

and it didn't happen and you howled at

that point 19. same age will was when he

had to refigure it out I think we shot

it when I was 18. uh but 19 is when they

let me know that it wasn't it wasn't

gonna move forward probably one of the

biggest heartbreaks in my life I

probably I cried for days

uh because I didn't you know that's the

thing when you you think you're you've

arrived

uh and then it snaps from under you and

there's no plan

I had nobody there even the people that

is going to be all right I didn't

believe them like I was like I was just

on the Warner Brothers lot but you know

in my Range Rover and you know like I I

saw the millions I saw me being the

biggest young star in the world

everybody was rocking with me into

everybody's gone like that

and it was just uh and it wasn't like

they abandoned me it was more like

everybody had to move on to their next

thing I had to be the one to figure it

out so that was uh that was probably one

of my greatest life lessons that will

even taught me in directly I mean

because he was warning me the whole time

uh and he held me down you know

time and time again since then you know

I mean it was uh

it you know I wouldn't have got Drumline

if it wasn't for him it was wasn't it

like I said it wouldn't have my first

record deal if it wasn't for him so it

was I I truly it's funny

I can get a little esoteric real quick

but I I have this when it comes to like

akashic records and and you know energy

I feel like you're placed in certain

it's it's the the law of synchronicity

like I feel like certain things just

happen

uh because they are constantly happening

there's certain energies that just are

attracted to each other

and I for whatever reason

people like Will Smith

Jamie Foxx like they're throughout my

career

they're always there they're always even

when they're not like we may not speak

every day we make but they we always

connected like even the same thing like

you know I call Kevin Hart my best

friend of me like it's just like we've

all since day one even when we're not

trying to be connected we're connected

like we're doing projects together we're

we're thinking of like he might he might

create a car show and I would create a

car show he has a restaurant I have a

restaurant like it's not like it looks

like competition but it's like oh no

like we just we're on the same frequency

like we're just we just operate the same

and those people kind of attract each

other they attract each other like and I

think that's like when people talk about

like secret societies and I think it's

like it's not it's not like this formed

meeting it's just like like-minded

individuals like people who operate on

the same frequency they they there

doesn't have to be this written rule

book it's just like oh no we intuitively

this is we we move like this we

gravitate towards certain things and

it's it's unfortunate because people who

operate in low frequency that it's the

same way and it's like you know you you

I was like damn that person not can't

can't catch a break it's like Ah that's

because they're living in that frequency

that well does that frequency look and

feel like it's slow it's thick it's

heavy blame yeah yeah victimization is

anger it's it's it's you know what I

mean it's like one of those things where

jealousy yeah all of that said like it

and it's unfortunate because of people

who operate in it they don't know that

they're in it

and it's almost like they they almost

desire that and they feel like they have

to have angst and anger to to get their

point across like man you know you're

doing so much more damage to yourself

uh and you're digging yourself Deeper by

pointing fingers at people who were on a

completely different frequency and they

don't even hear you and you're you're

clouding up your existence

instead of just like

stepping out of that frequency

you were the youngest ever staff writer

right 17 years old yeah I think I mean

unless somebody's beat it before like I

think TV history yeah I think

because working on Keenan and kelbridge

by the way was massive in the UK yeah

yeah I mean again

two of the most beautiful people I've

ever experienced uh specifically Keenan

Keenan is like my brother like my our

mothers are like best friends yeah like

um

he they they gave me the opportunity

because they were kids too and I started

off doing warm-up in the you know kind

of entertaining the the studio audience

when you know they're moving the cameras

around and stuff and people are like yo

that kid is something more entertaining

than what's going on on stage so they're

like he has a voice so do my management

you know Michael Goldman is still my

manager to this day he's still Keenan's

manager like Keenan actually I feel like

I don't know if Keenan introduced me to

because Keenan would hang out in the

comedy clubs

and I was in awe of him because he's

Keenan from Kenan and kale and we're in

some he's a few years older than me but

I'm like he's doing what I want to do so

we were kind of you know catch each

other and I would you know I wouldn't

jock him too much but I'd be like ask

him questions and stuff so one night his

manager came to um

to The Improv on Melrose with and I was

doing stand-up and you know they

produced Keenan and Kel and all that and

all that stuff so they gave they allowed

me to do the warm-up job and then from

there I'm in so I'm like you know I was

like yo we should write something so I

went to Keenan wrote a couple episodes

and he you know he was like yeah let's

do it I remember we wrote one episode

with uh

Keenan had a crush on Tamiya at the time

like like he was like well if we all had

a crush on Tamia but he really liked you

know the singer to me and I was like yo

let's write an episode about your crush

out to me and when you get to me on the

episode and it worked you're like like

we got to Mia she was in the show I was

like this is amazing like you mean I can

write something that actually happens

like I was literally like I was like

Harry Potter with the pin like like I

couldn't um I couldn't believe that I

could write something in my mind and it

would actually come into fruition uh in

that beginning so I just began writing

everything and I figured it out and they

hired me as a staff writer for a bunch

of different Nickelodeon shows uh 17 18

years after 17 yeah Jesus because I

think I wrote we wrote the Tamia thing

probably when I was like 16. and then so

by the time I was 17 I had like an

official job and then I started writing

my own stuff and then hence I wrote my

own television show that I would later

then pitch to Will Smith you know in

that same time when you're 22 years old

which is the the Nick Cannon show right

well no remember I said the the Loose

Cannon shows that didn't get the big

lesson I learned that I was still a

teenager then so but it's the way I got

back on my feet after Loose Cannon

didn't get picked up I then wrote my own

show for Nickelodeon which is

interesting because I was so I did that

out of

to be honest I wasn't even

proud or even I kind of did that out of

just like

I don't have nothing else to do

so let me create and produce my own show

because I felt I was at a low point I

was 19 and you know how this game

sometimes if it doesn't work they'll

spit you out like that was my shot like

I was like oh

I had

I was signed to Will Smith I had it was

the Protege of all of these big

comedians I had you know hundreds of

thousands of dollars worth of holding

deals with Networks usually that you

only get that shot once so I was like

damn I blew my wad at 19. like I gotta

go get a regular job now like that's

like that's what I was thinking like I

was gonna go back to hustling in the

streets and but it was

I was like all right well maybe it's

nickel I I was doing Nickelodeon so I

still got the relationships maybe I'll

just ride a kids show you know but I was

thinking I was about to be the next Will

Smith the next Jamie Foxx

all right I gotta go do children's

television and

through that I exercise these muscles as

a writer as an executive producer and

even like now like

I didn't I didn't have you know the

foresight to know how powerful you know

Children's Entertainment is how it's one

of the most dominating forces to be able

to entertain families that you know I

utilize in every aspect of my business

now I used to look at Nickelodeon as

like

preschool you know what I mean but I

didn't know that they were the billion

dollar conglomerate of you know

Nickelodeon Disney like I didn't

understand that then because I was in it

um so yeah I created the Nick Cannon

show for Nickelodeon

you know garnered a massive youth fan

base through through that when I look at

you being 22 years old writing this then

it Cannon show you being 17 writing for

Keenan and Kel I go like where did you

get the repetitions like where did you

get the skill from and if I was to if

you if I had like a a baby Nick Cannon

here yeah and I had to do something to

give him the skills that you had at 17

where you're writing hilarious things

where did where does that skill come

from

I think stand up to be honest stand up

because

writing my own jokes from 11 years old

and then by the time I'm 12 13 I'm

seeing deaf Comedy Jam Comic View I'm

seeing all of these things happen

and I'm watching these individuals

become their own intellectual properties

becoming their own business becoming

their own producers one thing about

stand up you have to write direct

perform promote Market all by yourself

it's a one-man show so I think by the

time I had whole no skills at like 15

16.

I knew how to do it I knew how to write

a script I knew how to write a great

joke I knew how to you know hours of

sitting in libraries and figuring out

words hearing stories like all of that

stuff was starting to pay off uh and I

knew like I just zoned in like you kind

of like again like when you know this is

my space this is my flow

you operate in your gift so I think just

you know trial and error as well too but

like I just figured it out you know what

I mean like this is what

is a gift that I have so I'm gonna

continue to operate in it they say

you're gonna put in 10 000 hours to

become a master or something yeah and

actually when I run the numbers I go

listen you started at 11 yeah and then

you wrote your own show at 22. that's

more than a decade yeah of repetitions

in the gym yep and then even and to me

then even then I was still just getting

started you know what I mean like again

the beauty of like even Nickelodeon like

even I I mean it was because I think the

Nick Cannon show was I was from I did it

from like age I started 19 and it ended

right when I turned 22.

um

I was a baby I looked like I was 15 like

everybody thought I was much younger

than how I even was so you know that's

when everything else from like Drumline

and my music career began and I was a

baby then too and then so

it just like I said I lived so many

lives and learned so many lessons early

on that even as I said here before you

today I'm like I'm still just getting

started like I still got still got so

many more movies that I got to do I

still got so much more music I got to

produce I still got so many more

television shows I gotta write so like

uh a few kids come to you there and they

say Dad how do I become

the master of my craft how do I become

the top of my industry not only have you

become the top of your industry in many

facets but you've been around people

that have got to the top of the industry

so the things you point out and the

similarities and the people that get

there what are those similarities if I'm

your kid and I come to you and say Dad I

wanna I wanna get to the top of the

industry what's the advice you give to

them

do it I think especially now it's as

simple as that sounds

that's what it is today like

do it and stick to it like don't give up

like do it efficiently do it because

this is don't try it if you try it

it's not gonna work if you do it

like that's even like even when people

always talk to me about acting like how

do you know or become a great actor

do it like it's not like it's not

believe it it's not uh acted you gotta

actually every embody every aspect of it

like do it as if there's no other option

like if you try something that's you

sticking your foot in uh if you believe

it you're kind of like I think I yeah

like okay but when you do it when you

live it when you operate in it where

there's no other option of like like you

know it's like it's some people who like

you know they play basketball and then

somebody's like oh no they they're a

basketball player you know what I mean

like there's some people who who

train or tried a box you're like no

that's a boxer you know what I mean like

they embody it they live it you gotta

and that's what my and even with my own

kids I'm like all right what do you just

naturally do we're just swag naturally

at why naturally

because it's like some of my kids are

just natural athletes they're physical

build

their what they gravitate towards and

then all right I'm gonna water that I

must I'm a I'm gonna cultivate that seed

and that's what because they have fun at

it then there's something on my kids

that are just like natural musicians

that just gravitate towards the piano

like they just they have fun on it yeah

and then it's like okay I'm gonna I'm

gonna help you with that what is the fun

Mata well I mean that's that's the

that's the battery like that's and

that's what if they ever lose the fun at

least for me like when it's no longer be

fun becomes fun and why are we doing it

you know are you doing it for money are

you doing it for like no you got to do

it because you enjoy it I find that fun

part so important but a lot of the time

people don't appreciate it and I love

your your reference of the battery

because a lot of people will be

orientated because they come from tough

upbringings to go what's going to make

the most money yeah and what I love

about what you said about the fun thing

is ultimately well it's my belief that

the thing that'll actually make you the

most money is the thing that you can

Master anything that you can Master is

the thing that you can do for 11 years

exactly which is the fun thing exactly

it's like I always say uh

money doesn't make you happy happy makes

you money

and then it goes to the concept of happy

money or good money because there's

definitely

the opposite of there's bad money in

their sad money

be and I've seen so many people live in

that frequency

sad money

like

like stingy

fear that people only want you for your

money loneliness loneliness in this big

Glass Castle by yourself

you got all the money in the world like

we we know those entertainers you know

what I mean like man they they put

themselves in this this Glass Tower

and everybody could see him

and they hate that everybody could see

them

and they're so lonely

and it's like

they got more money than they know what

to do with and then everything becomes

about a transaction hmm like

and you can see they have the biggest

yacht in the world

most Diamond studded watch ever and

they're miserable

and it's like that's sad money that's

and it becomes bad money you know what I

mean like they're making and it's it's

vindictive they're they're not honest

they get it in a way they're like man

how do you sleep at night like the music

industry is filled with bad money

and I've I've seen people they take

advantage like it's literally designed

in these contracts that's why I never

really wanted to be I didn't want to

thrive in it once I saw it I'm like oh

it's so manipulative it's about is one

person robbing another Robin another

Robin another and it's like that's not a

fun industry to be in like clearly

there's some people who figure it out

but even as a as a music executive I'm

like I don't I don't want to operate in

dishonesty I don't want to operate in

manipulation and it's just like that

entire industry is designed off of that

and but it's it's ways to you know Farm

few between but you can operate with

happy money and good money because the

crazy thing specifically about music it

brings so much joy to the world

that the industry shouldn't be in a low

frequency place like everybody should be

able to thrive and win and provide for

their families but there's a lot of

people who aren't musically inclined who

aren't musically talented who don't know

how to have happy uhness with music that

latch on

and control the artists and then

therefore they run the industry and they

operate on a lower frequency of like

you know I'm going to control your your

intellectual property and I'll make more

money off of it than you did even though

you made it from such a pure and happy

place there's a balance

it was a balance act or or a I don't

know a conflict between being selfish

enough that you you get on and you get

what you deserve but being generous and

kind enough so that you can stick around

and yeah

do you think about that the beauty of

narcissism

I I am uh that balance I am a narcissist

I I believe there's the balance of

narcissism

um

because you can go to you can go to an

extreme of narcissism and becomes

dangerous it becomes

uh maniacal becomes uh uh where you can

be a psychopath way or you're an a

sociopath where you have no empathy

that level of narcissism is unhealthy

that's to the extreme of these the

Spectrum but uh the balance of

confidence

of self-love of there's no other option

but me I am the I'm him you know like

LeBron James is him you know Kobe Bryant

him Michael Jordan him Michael Jackson

him you know Mike Tyson him you know

like all the mics you know the uh Will

Smith is him Chris Rock is him Jamie

Foxx is him you know and he uh Mariah

Carey is her Mary J Blige is her Beyonce

is her you know like all of those people

know that there is there will never be

another them

on the planet

and that is worth its weight in gold so

you have to have a level of self-love

self-promotion self-dedication all the

self is the key word the common word and

all of these things you have to love

self you have to know self not so much

that you hurt others or you think less

of others it's not because that's people

like oh you think you're better than

everybody else I don't care about

everybody else like it's not I don't

think I'm better than y'all I'm me like

in that to to a point it's it's a fine

line because you don't want to

disrespect anyone you still want to have

compassion you still want to have

empathy you still want to enter the

space of gratitude but this is my show

this is my party this is my this is my

block

that you you have to that's where that

success lies because without these

narcissists we wouldn't have you know

electricity we wouldn't have iPhones we

wouldn't have great music we wouldn't

have great like the director of the

movie is the director for the reason

he's the boss he knows he's the he

knows his vision is the one that

everyone else has to align with to make

a great film was there a point in your

career where you realized that you

needed to change in some way to get what

you deserved and to get what you're

worth

ah nah I don't think so really I had to

learn lessons because you're 15 I see

you coming up I go He's Got Talent yeah

I could you know get him to sign a bad

contract yeah I can take his money yeah

that's like I've learned I've learned

all of those lessons

um and people have tried to forewarn me

and stuff like that but uh

the thing I think the beauty that you

know the the aura that everybody's seen

is that's been consistent it's what you

do with it you know I've never let no

one put out my Flame you know it's it's

constantly burned for

the type of individual that I want to be

that I

you know the my purpose

um

so you know we all have trials and

tribulations

uh I you know you got to learn how to

Bob and weave but you're still the the

fighter in which you're supposed to be

you know like the whatever made you jump

in the ring from that day one

you're going to cultivate those skills

you know I mean you may be a defensive

fighter and that's how you win your

fight sometimes then you know uh you but

early on in your career you know you are

a puncher you know then you had to be

more of a thinker you know but at the

end of the day you're still a fighter so

I think guys whatever I I am I still

have this desire in me to to be a winner

I have this desire in me to to beat the

odds to some there's something about

like when someone tells me I can't do

something or tells me no I'm that fuels

me and it's been that way since

day one since you know my my 80d since

my anti-authoritarian behavior like it's

just like I'm gonna push through I'm

gonna persevere I'm gonna do what I want

and I'm not gonna let Society or

individuals tell me I can't

22 years old you start writing well done

out yeah you start writing at that point

I think it you you then self-fund the

pilot yeah at 25 years old yeah probably

before that because I self-funded in

2004.

so that might have been I might have

been 23 uh and again I had just seen

some success with film and music and

um I just started I was kind of one of

those guys that Drumline was out and

I had you know my album and stuff so

people but I was still doing stand-up

and I was like everybody's like oh he

does so many things and he hosts it and

I had a a deal with

you know Viacom at the time obviously

they had Nickelodeon and then you kind

of like graduated from Nickelodeon go to

MTV so I was in that stage of developing

things for MTV uh and they didn't

understand what I wanted to do when I

was saying that I want to get all my

comedian friends together and all my

rapper friends together and we just like

do improv and play games and they're

like we don't get it so I was like all

right so I rented out one of the comedy

clubs that me and my guys would normally

frequent uh got some cameras together

uh I think I man I want to say it was

somewhere around like a hundred thousand

dollars that I put into like that night

uh promoted it had everybody come out

you know got some beautiful people to

stand around and look beautiful and you

put a hundred thousand dollars of your

own money into the pilot yeah to show

MTV yeah and then uh once we put it all

together you know edited creating logos

showed it to them and they're like oh we

get it now but you know I had by then I

created the intellectual property had

you know copyright and patented the name

of wilding out uh the logo so when it

was time to negotiate when I knew that

they wanted the show

we we had the you know the the strong

side of the table because we knew they

wanted it and we had already created it

and that instantly was like oh this is

the business model that I want to

continue to operate under most people

don't figure that out until much later

in life if at all by owning their IP is

key to getting the value that they

deserve for their work yeah well now I

feel like everybody knows the Secret's

out you know I mean when you look at

YouTube and yeah you know the ability of

that we could create great content you

know for a very cost effective amount

like you know wilding out that probably

wouldn't cost me a hundred thousand

today yeah you know because everything

back then to get a cameraman yeah that

was a couple thousand dollars you know

what I mean and you know doing my own

thing now yeah like exactly

um yeah everybody knows now to if they

create it and they'll come and then you

build your fan base on your own and then

you can sell it to a larger corporate so

I feel like that model is being you know

kind of a little bit look at Mr Beast

you know I mean like I'm so I'm so

jealous so all like everything that he's

doing at 24 25 like I was trying to do

back there but there was no there was no

YouTube I got I was doing this you know

on VHS you know yeah but uh

I love it you know what I mean I love

watching what even I mean the beauty of

my brand now is what I started in 2004

is still going strong and probably more

popular today going into 2024. it's

crazy you know what I mean you're about

to film series 21. we just filmed 21 so

we're going into 22 and 23. I figured

out a model now how to do two seasons in

one so

um most shows don't last for a season

let alone 21 Seasons yeah I think my

goal is 25.

so

what happens at 25 it'll be the 20th

year

25. do I gracefully bow out is 25 25

Seasons like do I hand it off to

somebody else to like I'll probably be

getting close to 50 by then like

I can't while out forever no no I gotta

stop at some point I think I'm probably

too long in the tooth now I mean that's

why I even created the old school new

school it's funny

everybody when I first created it all

little while and out girls all of the

cast members all of the crew were older

than me and it was weird that everybody

was listening to this kid

tell them what to do and like even the

my OG's like you know Katt Williams and

you know a lot of the guys who are on

the show and right Chris Spencer and

Daryl Heath like these guys were guys

that I looked up to uh that were on my

show

uh and now I'm the overhead and I got

all of these other young kids like the

DC Young flies and everyone I'm like

it's so crazy to have the same brand and

I literally grow up on you know like I

remember being a kid trying to get these

comedians to listen to me and like what

do you know and now I'm the guy telling

with the platform yeah so

give me a few into into that platform

that you have and that you've built the

entertainment company that sits behind

it the talent that you have because it's

not so obvious to people yeah you know

people kind of probably think okay while

they're now he's he does this whatever

he's the host whatever but when I did

the research on the company that you've

built behind it it's a pretty it's a

huge business behind all of that and

you're involved in a lot of things yeah

I mean there's so many aspects of it I

mean I I truly look at it as a blessing

I'm so grateful for it because it was on

a job job training I didn't say I didn't

think wild and out would be the billion

dollar conglomerate that it is because I

was just creating a show to give my

friends jobs because Kevin Hart needed

money to pay his rent

like because he's being like it's just

real you know like we were trying to

create something because I was the only

one that was you know seeing some

success out of our you know our

generation at the time and I was like oh

let's Let Me Shine a Light on these

dudes that are way funnier than me that

are way more talented than me you know

like uh and then I built a business out

of it of incubating of

uh cultivating young Talent so much so

that when they're ready we we see Pete

Davidson go on to become one of the

biggest stars in SNL in a movie star we

we see same thing with like Mikey day

and Tara and kill him and you know uh

the Katt Williams and Kevin's to become

some of the biggest stand-up comedians

to ever tour the world like they they

got they you know they they feet wet

they they skills honed on one of the

toughest stages like if you look at what

wild and out is if you if you Excel and

survive there

you're going to be a star yeah because

you're in a this is The Godly this is

the combine this is the best of the best

in the grimiest of of this we're going

to test your insecurities we're gonna

test your anxiety and then

you succeed and you get the love from

people that you respect and then once

the industry sees that do whatever you

want so I I didn't

I couldn't have designed that but it

happened and I was like wow I didn't

know I was literally right I did we were

just in the trenches but it's like it's

so much so like we create an environment

that most entertainers are scared to

come to they're like man I don't want to

go a while now they're going to talk

about my mama are they going to talk

about my last Scandal or I don't know

how to rap her I'm not that funny off

the top of the head and it's like it's

intimidating so when you throw a kid in

there or whoever is in it and they Excel

they they've earned their stripes so now

they can walk into any room and like

yeah I was the man on wild and out and

now because it is a platform to propel

now you can go become a movie star now

you can go become a rapper or a singer

like so so that was really if I could

I'd be lying if I say I designed that

but yeah it became that and that's like

the blessing of God but then the

business behind it

you used to use the b word billion yeah

yeah I mean if you and it's I it's funny

I didn't even that was told to me after

they did all of the research and of you

know obviously what the IP is worth

because one I mean we're looking at 500

episodes of Television that alone

when you just do the math charge however

much you want to charge per episode what

that what you know and then

the

the careers that it's launched

and you know then go to where the money

really is in the actual intellectual

property so we have a tour that makes

millions

every year

um now even turning into a cruise line

you know the wild and wet like we have

restaurants that are being franchised

you know all over the country you know

we just expanded our our South Beach

location and on on Ocean Drive in Miami

um the the logo in itself the amount of

t-shirts where then we're probably uh

Paramount's number one uh selling yeah

Merchant uh t-shirt merchandise is that

everybody knows that wild and out logo

and it's it's on everything from

t-shirts to bikinis to underwears to

coffee mugs uh to toys uh it's things

like that that I was just trying to make

a cool t-shirt like I didn't think you

know for 20 something years people would

be buying wild and out t-shirts so stuff

like that that when and then even stuff

I never even thought of you know

we created wild and out before there was

a YouTube it's probably uh one of Viacom

if not V I think maybe The Daily Show is

probably right there but the biggest

digital brand that Paramount has

through Tick Tock YouTube you know I

feel like I think we might we're

somewhere north of 12 million YouTube

subscribers on the Wild and out page uh

12 million something subscribers on Tick

Tock seven million on Instagram and

that's just that's a TV show you know

what I mean when you think about it like

not the individuals who are on the TV

show yeah have even more followers this

is just the shows page so what you think

the brand is worth

I've heard different things I I mean

like I said when I initially when the

research back there was like a 1.3

billion but then that was years ago so

like I'm pretty sure it's grown because

now it's even more popular now so it's a

it's you know I try not to get caught up

in that because then I'm two things

happen like one I get in I start

gloating I'm like built this billion

dollar business and then the second

thing I was like Hey where's my billion

dollars like somebody owes me some money

like so I try not to get caught up in

that so like I I know I just know it's

very successful and I'm grateful that

it's still going I mean I can't wait to

find the next comedic Superstar can't

wait to find the next big rapper that

Grace is The Wild on stage what are the

other businesses or the business

ventures that aren't obvious that people

might not know about so you talked about

restaurants you sign Talent yeah

obviously wild and out brand is there

anything else going on that from the

business side of things that are isn't

obvious

specifically and wild out of everything

else everything

well I mean I've created incredible

entertainment uh in 2009 it was more of

a conglomerate where because I had

always had a record label but it was

separate from my television company uh

film a film I would produce the films

that I was in and stuff so I was like I

want everything

in-house I read that incredible

entertainment generated over 100 million

dollars in Revenue in 2009 and that was

I think that was just in our headphone

sales like because we did I had you I

did a headphone brand very similar to

Beats by Dre monster was the parent

company they did Beats for 300 and they

did Incredibles for a hundred dollars so

we were the more cost effective

headphones while Beats by Dre was

making all the noise we were quietly

making noise in Walmarts and the Radio

Shacks for selling an affordable product

that was pretty much the same product

except for we made ours uh affordable so

yeah just so that alone that was just in

consumer electronics that I would never

thought I was going to be uh you know

selling Electronics

um

so but yeah incredible and ultimately I

created a One-Stop shop that could be

everything from consumer products to

entertainment to so and it's been

thriving man it's been uh and it's kind

of I I guess my brand is somewhat known

of giving people opportunities uh and

finding that next

big things of where we're cultivators

we're curators we're uh incubators uh

and so a lot of the the content that

I've created

I found my niche I was going to say you

have a Simon kind of the entertainment

world but you're in fact just the Nick

Cannon of them yeah it's funny man

keilani is a um

me and Simon talk about that often

because I found her on America's Got

Talent on his show my show our show but

he wasn't paying attention you know what

I mean and it was like you know he was

focused on One Direction or whatever on

one of his other shows and I was like

you know kehlani came in

um and it was she was an amazing talent

she was and like I hate to say found

because she was already talented once

you get to America's Got Talent you're

already

proven you know uh and she was the the

lead singer for a group called Pop Life

which was put together I Believe by

Dwayne Wiggins from Tony Tony his sons

were in there too but she was clearly

the the star of this group and I

remember Piers Morgan uh was being an

as he does so very well

and he was he was telling a 15 year old

little chubby keilani uh to that she

should leave the group and the only way

that he would put her through and not

Buzz her off is if she left her band

because she was the talent clearly he

was right but like how do you put a 15

year old in that scenario and she stuck

to her guns and she said I'm not leaving

my brothers and everybody else on the

panel was like

we're gonna you know we we love that you

stuck to your gun so even though Piers

was being an ass

they put through they went all the way

through to uh

to the finale I think they performed

with Stevie Wonder on the finale as Pop

Life and then unfortunately you know

when you don't win life goes on she had

to go back home to Oakland and probably

met some hard times and I remember it's

funny

uh the father of her you know as we know

I knew as Gabby uh who also grew up in

that same music over and he called me

and said hey man you know that girl that

was on America's Got Talent she's

homeless now she's not doing so well I

was like what it's like yeah she's

you know not doing she's being a

teenager but like she needs help like I

didn't really know her background of you

know her father you know being murdered

when she was a child and a mother you

know uh dealing with substance abuse and

a lot of she has a very compelling story

of just the resilience of her and her

family and he they were explaining all

that and I was like yo give me your

information find who's our guardian and

kind of went and talked to the family

and say yo I'll move you to LA but first

we got to finish High School like the

one promise finish school I'll take care

of everything else a year later her

mixtape was nominated for a Grammy

so it's just like

just and you know so it's stuff like

that to where you know I was like

I put in the work to you know help her

out or tell Simon yeah you missed that

one you got a lot of other ones right

but you missed you you know you missed

that one and uh did you sign her uh see

that's the thing how I feel about

signing I don't I'm weird about that

I don't like signing people uh and

people everybody in my life is like

that's what you have to do I I would say

I didn't ask for anything I I

I was the uh impresario you know what I

mean I I funded scenarios because I

could so she didn't have to worry about

anything you know what I mean she had

uh roof overhead food on the table

anything she wanted studio time you know

we we figured it out I I introduced her

to you know the good people over at

Atlantic Records

uh and the rest is history

so hindsight's a wonderful thing yeah

yeah I didn't want no money from it you

know what I mean I do I do that for a

lot of people uh and it's created you

know me and Craig Coleman over at

Atlantic that's my man you know uh but

where a lot of people would

be you know kehlani would be signed to

them forever

I don't want that you know I mean I want

her to be able to provide

and do like I always tell everybody I

work with from the beginning

whether you make it or you don't make it

my life is still going to be the same

so I don't want anything from you but to

see you win I just want to see like I

don't but you could have I could there's

a lot of people and that that is their

business so where like I need my

percentage of every song that you write

from here on out because I found you I

discovered you I signed you my spirit I

don't sit well with my spirit

I uh

and that's this future Superstar show my

inner struggle when you watch it because

I'm on the show as well

I struggle with

signing these kids it's funny because we

go from City to City and I give

a local artist anywhere from five to ten

thousand dollars a city

and a lot of times that's what these

record labels are signing these kids up

for someone signed my publishing

away

when I was a teenager for ten thousand

dollars one of the biggest mistakes one

of the biggest lessons I've ever learned

so now I'm giving that ten thousand

dollars away to these kids and I don't

want nothing from you but to see you win

and that's me paying it forward that's

me correcting what this industry has

done to people

so

for so long so

I don't want if you want to sign with

Incredible that's your choice

that's I get you I you can sign to me if

you want to but I'm good like I almost

still be rich so I don't need anything

from you if you want to join the gang

let's go like you know there's benefits

and parts to be an incredible but

um

I don't I I it's a lot of people even

you know from my attorneys and people in

my my circle like man you gotta sign

these people how are you going How You

Gonna function how you going

allow your business to thrive if you

don't sign

well it's been working thus far so I

don't I don't wanna I don't like signing

people I don't like having ownership in

someone else's brand now we could be

collaborative we can write a song

together and we just split the

publishing we can you know

yeah it costs money to keep the lights

on you can use my studio yeah like and

you I get reimbursed you know down the

line when it's time but I'm not gonna

take something from you I'm not gonna

charge the artist like I said that's a

up concept that we just been

operating in and no one's ever corrected

it like why should we this is this is an

artist who's making brilliant art

and someone who had nothing to do with

it gets to own it forever in perpetuity

the this perpetuity

like like there's these terms and these

words that we just signed up for that is

just it's wrong but it's made a lot of

people a lot of money so they don't want

it to change but it has to change like

technology is making a change these next

Generations of people who have more

empathy and giving Spirits are gonna

allow it to change because I don't p i

don't believe people are are as

animalistic or are they're not they

don't have a Savage mentality like

and what's used to require I believe

we're more empathetic we're more

compassionate and it's starting to show

even in business I think you're right

though I think because of platforms

that middle man has less power than ever

so you say like oh maybe they're

becoming more empathetic maybe they have

no choice yeah because a Kalani or a you

or whatever now has all these platforms

where if you've got art and You've Got

Talent that's just gonna go viral yeah

and you're gonna have the followers yeah

on your account with and you own the

password exactly so they're going to

come with a different value proposition

is like oh I can introduce you to that

person I was telling people like

networking is stupid like like if you're

like focused on being the best you

they'll come find you like but there are

some people who made a lot of money

by networking that concept is like oh

this I know this person I can introduce

you to this

God bless you you know what I mean like

if that's how you like connecting I'll

get it but if we're really trying to get

the artist or the IP or the the genius

to the people

now

technology is doing it for us I have

this debate with my assistant all the

time because she tells me to network

more and I say to I say like my

networking is doing my thing yeah and

then you become a peacock or a magnet

versus me having to small talk in a room

for three hours exactly which I can't do

that I hate small talk in that maybe

we're just different type of individuals

yeah yeah yeah because there are other

people to be like your network is your

network yeah yeah I don't care who who I

know it's more about who knows me it's

it's I'm I'm gonna go over here and

figure it out and you're welcome to the

party like but I don't want to go to

your party like I don't want to hang out

with everybody dressed in white and got

on billion dollar watches I don't that's

not fun to me yeah like to each his own

but some people can do that yeah and I

and like I maybe because I've been in it

so long I've been to the white parties

before and wanted to show off and and

they were fun but like I'm at this point

like I don't I don't want to do that

that feels that feels like work to me

I'd rather be in a studio I'd rather be

with my children I'd rather be riding

somewhere uh and not to say that those

people don't do that as well I just like

that world is I I don't have a place in

it that's not where I could be my best

self I low-key though do Envy the people

that can do it and enjoy it and that can

be that Network and connect this person

to that one and just because it's an

energy that I just don't have I think as

an introvert I don't have that muscle to

like show up small talk my way to a

lunch with someone and yeah yeah

I'll tell everybody I'm an outgoing

introvert like like I am and that's what

me and Kevin Hart go back and forth

about all the time because he has that

gift

he walks in a room and lights it up you

know what I mean he know he knows this

person and this person and I'm like yo

that looks exhausting and this um that's

coming from a person who like my my

personal bandwidth is overloaded

constantly but my spiritual bandwidth I

keep like I don't I don't give everybody

my energy like and that's probably why I

am a little bit more subdued in rooms

that's why I may not go to every event

and most of the time if somebody asked

me to come something it's like nah I'm

good and it's not because

I just like my piece I just like being

with where I can be my authentic self

where I can be my best so I don't like

having to turn it on but I understand

when it's time to like I and it it's

award season you got you got to go do

this so you gotta like all right and I I

know how to do it with the best of them

but that's not who I naturally am

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he is old Nick and at

32 years old you got a diagnosis that

changed your life yeah

tell me for a super Loop like literally

pardon the plan with lupus

yeah man lupus nephritis specifically uh

in 2012 and here live in my dream life

you know married to

the most gorgeous beautiful super

talented person to ever step on the

planet literally my dream girl we got

two kids we're in Aspen I never like I'm

from from the hood I'm from the projects

you don't go to Aspen who are you

married to Mariah Carey

but it's like I'm in Aspen with my with

my wife uh and thinking I mean probably

some of the best shape of my life

go to boxing three times a week you know

what I mean got my own home gym in Aspen

yeah I mean like uh and I had the

weirdest pain in my uh in my right side

I'm like I'm thinking like a muscle

cramp or like like I'm gonna just jog

through it here I'm in high out uh you

know altitude

jogging in the snow thinking I'm gonna

do like it's my Rocky moment I don't

know what I was thinking uh and by the

time I got back to the house

passed out like and I didn't know like

like literally Mariah came in and found

me uh they called her you know rushed me

to

the ER in Aspen how did she find you I

was I don't know I was laid out like and

I I think everybody because you know I

think it was that bad because I had just

came from jogging in Aspen after like oh

he probably got altitude sickness you

know what I mean like I was just

dehydrated so that's what the narrative

we were going with so once I got to the

hospital like I just need some fluid IV

I'll be all right you know because that

happens because it happens on the ski

slopes people like my dumb ass was

jogging and up a mountain I'm probably

gonna pass out

um and I was only doing it to try to rid

this crap that I had I thought I could

like work it off