All right, everybody. Welcome back to

part two of the All-In podcast episode

263. We promised you a part two because

we are very lucky that my dear friend

Shervin Pishevar was able to set up a

very important historic interview for us

today.

None other than Prince Reza

Pahlavi is here.

And we have a limited amount of time

with you, Reza. And may I call you Reza

or should I call you Prince Reza?

>> Thank you.

>> [laughter]

>> Uh

>> I can probably meet you on your program.

It It's great to have you.

And this is a moment I think you've been

waiting 47, close to 50 years for it,

which is we are at this moment in time

looking at

potentially the people of Iran being

free. You left the country and

when you were 17 years old to become a

pilot. And now

you are looking to help your people with

a transition post this military

activity, this operation,

essentially a war that's going on right

now that we all hope

gets resolved quickly.

I think people would love to know what

is your vision for Iran

post

this military action.

Well, thank you again for the

opportunity. Before I get into that, I

wanted to simply

stress the importance of this

intervention that it was like a rescue

mission. It was literally an a

humanitarian intervention to protect

more lives that it would otherwise be

lost under this extremely brutal and

repressive regime that as you know has

massacred as of late

tens of thousands of innocent and

unarmed citizens. In order to equalize

the playing field, this was a

much-needed

intervention that a lot of Iranians

asked for and fortunately it did happen.

But what's the next step? Where are we

headed to?

The most obvious question would be once

the regime collapses, how do we manage

the transition? I've stepped in to lead

this transition with the help of many of

my compatriots from various sectors. We

believe that a a stable transition will

lead to a address the immediate needs of

the country, but then set the country on

a path of redevelopment and

reconstruction, which is of course

something that we were always hoping for

that could not have a happened under

this uh corrupt mafia-like regime. Iran

should have been, had it not been for

the revolution, today's South Korea of

the region. Instead, it has become the

North Korea of the region. Why? Not

because our people are not gifted or

talented or capable, not because we lack

uh natural resources, it's simply

because of a corrupt bad management and

a regime that basically took our country

hostage, used it as a launching pad to

export an ideology, and that's why we

are here today.

A different Iran, a democratic secular

Iran would first and foremost bring

about the opportunities to our nation,

but it will open Iran for business

again.

Iran is one of the most untapped uh

uh economic um opportunities of the 21st

century, and it could tremendously uh

change the shape of our world in terms

of what would be beneficial to the

Iranian people, of course, but also uh

from the advantage point of a country

like the United States and billions of

dollars that will be generated as a

result of doing business in Iran. We

figure about 1 trillion in the first 10

years to the US market, but also

billions of dollars that will be

invested into Iran and everything that

we need to have done in order to rebuild

our country. These are crazy

opportunities that uh we can look

forward to, and it all starts with

uh moving towards this recovery and

transition.

And

when your father was in charge, it was a

monarchy. Turned into a dictatorship.

And to be clear, the hope now is to

evolve into a democracy with free

elections for the people. Average age of

people in Iran now,

early 30s, 31, 32 years old.

What would that look like? What is a

possible timeline? And you are have said

on other programs and on your YouTube

channel, which I suggest everybody go

search for and follow right now because

you're speaking directly to the people

on X and on your YouTube channel.

What is What is the

condition on the ground from the people

you're talking to? You said you've been

talking to people in the military,

civilians, and other leadership. They're

ready to move on. What's the timeline?

And what are they telling you is

happening on the ground today as we sit

here? Well, I think that now the playing

field has been equalized, meaning that

the people could finally, of course,

awaiting the end of this campaign, have

a better opportunity to reengage the

streets and take over

their homeland.

Of course, part of the equation is how

much implosion from within the regime

and how much defection from the regime

in the sense of joining with the people

this time and not be an instrument that

will halt the people's progress, but

instead help the people in that

transition. Meaning whether people are

in the military or security forces, as

well as a civilian bureaucracy. Unlike

what happened after the fall of Saddam

Hussein and the Ba'athification, the

scenario of change in Iran is totally

different.

And let's not forget, Iran is a multiple

century old nation-state. It's a country

that is extremely unified and united for

this common purpose.

Under this tent, we have diverse groups

that are joining in this national

campaign. People who are on the right,

the center, the left, monarchists,

republicans, ethnic groups, religious

groups. Every sector of society is

engaged. I have had a tremendous amount

of uh coming from inside Iran. We have

the support of the uh intelligentsia. We

have the support of universities. We

have the support of the working class.

We have the support of uh the diaspora

that can bring a lot to this equation. I

think this is a good recipe uh that will

allow us to manage this uh transition,

but set the country

to clean up, be ready for business, and

create the opportunities that will

finally impact

first and foremost Iranians who have

been starving as a result of this

regime's corruption, but have a true

opportunity to get back on track and

improve their livelihood. And I think

it's also good for those who partner

with us in this process cuz there's a

lot to be uh done that will be win-win

as opposed to be lose-lose to the

benefit of this corrupt regime. That has

been the story of the past almost five

decades.

So, the difference lies in but this

change and how crucial it is. And of

course, the reason we want to have a

secular democracy, the final form to be

determined by the people of Iran through

free elections and a constitutional

process, but most important is that

under equality and the rule of law, all

the opportunities that has been denied

our nation as a result of its

discrimination, as a result of uh

pretty much disenfranchising the

majority of Iranians, now it creates a

true opportunity. And as I said earlier,

I think Iranians are quite gifted. As

much as it is attractive to uh um

entrepreneurs in the outside world

looking in, there's so many gifted and

talented young Iranians who will have a

fair chance this time, a true chance for

being uh using all their creativity and

genius uh to bring our country back

online. This will be an excellent,

fantastic partnership that we're looking

forward to. So, you've spoken about

wanting to be on the ground there. What

conditions and what timeline do you have

for yourself? And this seems like a a

pretty high-risk thing to do. It'd be

pretty brave of you to uh go to the

country now. What conditions have to be

met for you to

go to Iran, to go home

for the first time in 47 years? And how

close do you think we are to the people

taking the streets now and for starting

this transition?

Well, to be honest with you, it's very

difficult to put an exact timeline.

Factors that will expedite it is the

level of separation from the regime, the

level of defections,

the strengthening of domestic

organizations and structure. How can we

partner with elements from within that

are not joining this campaign? All of

these are factors that will contribute

to the rapidity of the of the

transition. As far as myself being

there, obviously there are security

concerns to make sure that it's safe

enough for me to go there. I'm no use to

anyone if I'm dead. So, obviously we

have to keep that in mind, but I would

like to be able to be there as soon as

possible to be able to help as much as I

can in this process. Obviously, being in

a country is an advantage. It's hard to

do things from far away. I had no choice

to be living in exile because of the

circumstances, but I think that the

opportunity is presenting itself and the

first opportunity that is created for me

to safely return to Iran, I will

obviously be there. Just this morning,

Trump said there will be no deal

in Iran until unconditional surrender

is given by whatever is left of the

government there.

What do you think of that condition? Is

that the right move? Do you agree with

Trump's ultimatum?

Well, let me look at it from the

domestic prism. In order for a

successful transition to occur, it has

ultimately to be something that is

legitimate in the eyes of the Iranian

people.

We have lost so many tens of thousands

of lives just to settle for a continuity

of the remnants of this regime. That

will not fly. People will want to have a

clean break. The alternative will be for

all those who align with the secular

democratic alternative and are some four

core principles that who whoever adheres

to to that including people who may

today peel away from the regime

would be able to agree to work together

on that platform. The first and foremost

issue is of course Iran's

territorial integrity. That's an issue

that is very close to the hearts of

millions of Iranians representing every

aspect of our

diversified country in terms of

ethnicities, religions and what have

you, but we find ourselves in this

united

cause under one flag and under one

nation. The second element that is a

prerequisite to democracy is a clear

separation of religion from state.

That's a critical element for a

democracy to occur.

Equality of all citizens under the law

and the rule of law obviously is a

critical aspect that guarantees all of

the rights we're talking about and the

democratic process itself meaning the

fact that people can elect the

representatives to go to this

constitutional assembly to debate the

issues of what the next system could

look like and what its laws should be

ratified by the people which would bring

us to the election of the first

parliament of this new democracy and of

course the election of the first

government of such democracy at which

point the transitional government hands

over power to the elected

representative of the people in the

future government. That's pretty much

the the the direction that we hope to

manage this transition and I'm playing a

role in bringing about this transition

with a very well crafted plan that is in

detail explaining

particularly focusing on the first 100

days.

I created an organization called IPP

which is Iran prosperity project but its

first focus is the first 100 days. How

we immediately stabilize the situation

in Iran, how can we maximize the

remaining elements that will join with

us to be able to survive regime change

and have a place in the future. These

are the first components and then we

move forward with the plan.

Two quick questions. Under no

circumstances would that be a monarchy?

Uh I think uh is a question everybody

has for you because you're the prince.

This is a democracy. We don't have

princes in democracies.

And then number two, what do you ideally

see as your role in the transition?

And then would you like to have the

opportunity to run for president and to

lead the country out of this

horrific nightmare of 47 years?

My focus is on the process, not the

outcome. And in as a neutral arbiter,

I'm not taking sides with one form

versus the other. That's for the people

of Iran to choose. And I think the world

has seen successful models in both the

Republican system and a monarchic

system. Examples uh

a republic that you have like in India

or like in Israel or in France or the

United States, they're not exactly the

same. But that's on the of the

Republican structure. In terms of

parliamentary monarchies, we have the

example of Japan, Sweden, Spain, other

countries. So, I don't think that

necessarily you can equate democracy

with one outcome in particular. It could

be both models that people can emulate.

So, at the end of the day, you know,

again, uh it's not for me to choose the

outcome. I'm here to be a bridge towards

that outcome. That's the function of a

transitional leader, not to run for

office

or not to have an aim for personal uh

position or power or authority, but to

be the element that unites the country

towards a common purpose and allow the

nation to decide what is their preferred

system. That's what elections and free

elections should be all about. And the

ballot box is the only means to measure

uh people's uh opinion and the majority

uh will decide on that and that's the

process that I envisage to bring about.

What do you believe the people of Iran

want? And in that monarchy subset, there

are the Gulf monarchies, the kingdom,

UAE,

Qatar.

They are obviously distinctly different

than a parliamentary

you know, system. So,

I assume you wouldn't want to see that.

What do you think the people of Iran

will vote for?

But, just what you said. I mean, we

a democratic system clearly outlines how

it should be and and how it should not.

I mean, if you want to look at the

closest monarchy to the United States,

technically speaking, it's Canada. And

you know, if you want to look at that

way. And I think Canadians are quite

happy with a democracy that they enjoy.

And again, we have very good models of

republic. Case in point, the United

States. At the end of the day, as I

said, it's for the Iranian people to

determine what would be in their best

interest, having looked this time,

unlike what happened, by the way, 50

years ago. Nobody had a clear idea what

Khomeini was suggesting

in terms of this Velayat-e Faqih, as

they call it, or the tutelage of the

supreme leader. By the time he took over

and power was established, it was too

late. And since then, we've been

hostages to this regime. This time, in

full transparency, the Iranian people

ought to have a clear idea of different

models presented to them. And on that

basis, having understood every aspect of

what it could be, then they make their

choice. This is a process that should be

totally transparent, with enough time

for debating different ideas. And again,

as I said, let the democratic process

unfold and let the people vote in

majority what is their final

choice. I'm not here to determine an

outcome. Again, I stress, my role here

is to manage this transition and create

an opportunity that people have been

deprived of for half a century to

finally have a say as to what they they

like to have for themselves in terms of

sovereignty and determining their own

future democratically. Final question

and I'll get into a bunch of details

with you Shervin as to the plan which I

know you're helping construct and I'm

assuming you'll help execute on.

Trump

says he's going to pick the next leader.

Trump says a lot of things. He says them

sometimes in a

provocative way.

But he said he's not sure how you would

play within your own country. There's

obviously people holding up your

picture. There are people who are maybe

vying to take control of this from the

previous administration.

Are you in touch with President Trump

and what's your relationship with him

today? What's your best

plea to him or your argument to him

to work with you? Look, there's nothing

hidden in the agenda. Everything is

transparent and I've been communicating

with the administration by Steve Witkoff

who announced it publicly. That's what

was our channel to President Trump. And

of course on the other side in the

legislation with members of Congress,

senators and congress people to

understand a little bit from the

American prism what it is that we are

proposing here. I don't think that

President Trump or any other leader in

the this world would presume that it's

his up to them to determine who should

be the next leader in Iran. I'm sure as

democracies they respect the right for

people to make that choice. And as

Western democracies it should be going

without saying that they would believe

that the the right to choose the future

leaders is only up to the Iranian

people. If the intention is to assist

that process

if the intent is to support the Iranian

people in their democratic aspiration

you provide them with the help but the

choice should be theirs. That has been

my position and I don't think there's a

disagreement on that whether it is with

President Trump or other world leaders

that I've also talked to about this

matter. As So you go, what should the

American people know about the spirit,

the culture, and the people of Iran,

including the people who fled in 1979

like you and your family?

Well, I I know many Americans who have

many Iranian friends. As a matter of

fact, if you just look at the Iranian

diaspora in the United States alone,

you will see how much interaction there

is between Iranians who are now Iranian

Americans, if you will, many of them,

and the kind of relationship that I've

built with

their American counterpart. And many

people have

connections via marriages. Many people

have connections through business

affiliations. Many people have worked

with Iranians. Many of the high-tech

companies, including Silicon Valley,

employ so many Iranians or they are

themselves entrepreneurs. This is the

kind of potential, and I'm sure Shervin

will talk to you more about that, but

this is the kind of connections there

is. And for Americans that have traveled

to Iran or have known Iranians all these

years, they know what what what country

it represents, what amount of culture,

arts,

I mean, civilization in the true sense

Iranians represent. And they've been

completely suffocated under this regime.

But once Iran is is you know, free from

its shackles,

I'm sure a lot of Americans know

what difference there is between an Iran

that wants to be friends with America,

that is not the regime that has from its

inception called death to America or

death to Israel, for instance. But there

are Iranians who actually love to

America. Let me just give you a last

parting thought, because I think every

now and then I need to remind your

audience and other audiences,

we talked about other countries in the

region. Remember 9/11?

Yes.

>> And how many people on the streets of

many of the so-called allies of the

United States were celebrating that

attack on that sinister day?

The only country in the entire world and

the entire region

that actually stood in candlelight

vigils in sympathy to the victims of the

9/11 terrorist attacks were no other

than the Iranian people themselves

holding candlelight vigils in Iran.

And they've been messaging America for

years now. We are not your enemies. In

fact, they would been chanting slogans

in Iran

saying, "They lie to us. It's America.

Our enemy is right here." This is the

Iran I'm talking about. This is the

people I'm talking about. And I know

many Americans, both in the civilian

sector, including military forces in

America, know that. And I think that's

something that

I'm sure I'm not the only one,

you know, talking about this. You will

hear from other Iranians who will pretty

much confirm what I just said. That's

why this partnership is so vital for us

because together we'll be able to

rebuild,

you know, a different world. Iran will

bring an element of stability to the

region and beyond. And that can only

play to the interest of

America itself. We need to have this

vital partnership. And I think we'll be

able to succeed because I see everybody

now is very much committed to work

together towards

bringing this agenda forward. Well,

we're we're all praying for the people

of Iran to have a democracy. And what an

amazing moment will be when you get to

return

in whatever capacity and help this

transition. And 93 million people who

have been suffering will be living free

in a democracy. And the impact that

could have on the world and obviously

that region would be by far the largest

democracy in in

the Middle East. And this could have

ramifications in terms of humanity that

would be absolutely stunning and

beautiful. And the prosperity would be

amazing.

The Iranian people I met in my life,

Prince,

when I was living in Los Angeles, all

these great Persians I would meet

were some of the most joyful

and industrious, beautiful individuals

I've met. They remind me of my Greek and

Irish heritage, including you, Shervin.

So, Prince Reza, thank you so much for

your time. I know you're extremely busy.

It's very important for the All-In

audience to hear from you

and to understand what's going on and

your vision, and we would love to have

you back when you're on the ground with

your people and that your people are

free. Thank you again. Looking forward

to it.

All right, Shervin. Thank you so much

for setting this up.

I ask for very few favors from my

friends, but as a good friend, you made

this happen for the All-In community, so

we I thank you for that. Of course. And

as I as I said to to the prince, the

people

and then the Persians here in the United

States, maybe you can tell us a little

bit about your story and and what this

means to you and then we can get into

your involvement here and what you hope

to see in those first 100 days. Of

course. First of all, Jason, thank you

for opening up this tremendous platform

to the Iranian people and to the prince.

As you can see,

the Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi is a is a

great man, the most courageous man that

I've ever met

and he's a the highest integrity human

I've I've met as well. We're very

blessed as a people to have a leader

like him

who has lived a very clean life and has

stepped up in a very courageous way.

He's put it all on the line for his

people and his legacy to play this

tremendous transitional role to evolve

the Iranian

nation to a democracy

and this long nightmare of 47 years that

all of my Iranian brothers and sisters

have suffered through

is almost over and also tremendous

gratitude to President Trump for his

courageous leadership on this matter. I

don't think any other president uh, have

the courage and the principle and the

values to take on this Islamic regime of

terror. As you saw last month, uh, they

massacred uh, over 43,000 Iranians who

were just peacefully protesting. They

gunned them down with anti-material

bullets. I I put a post of a Coca-Cola

can next to these bullets. It was bigger

than the can. Uh, that's what they

>> And this is super important to to

meditate on for a second here. This

regime is a murderous and evil regime to

turn those guns and mow down 40,000

and over 40,000 individuals peacefully

protesting is just an act of savagery

and brutality that I think most people

don't appreciate and

uh, or don't fully appreciate. Um, and

we there hasn't been enough coverage of

that fact.

>> No. And you

are a bipartisan type person. I've known

you for many years. You you were a

super, uh, funder of Obama. He wasn't

able to get this done. Biden wasn't able

to get this done. Bush wasn't able to

get this done. This has been something

that presidents have struggled with.

And you got to give Trump credit here.

There's a lot of debate over why this is

happening. Is it Israel driving it? Is

it the relationship with China? We

talked about on that in part one.

At the end of the day

as uh, a son of Iran what's matters is

that the people are free. All these

other conspiracy theories theories and

motivations do not matter to you or the

people, yeah? Absolutely not. I uh, But

but one of my key principles is our our

our secure our moral security presages

our physical security. So, this has as

much to do with Americans uh, security

as it does Iranians security and

livelihood. As you saw, this regime is

not only uh, evil enough to mow down

43,000 innocent people in 48 hours.

Their reaction to this liberation

operation is to attack over 12 countries

in the region. Imagine if they had a

nuclear bomb, they would use it. They

would use it. There's not even a doubt

in my mind that they would have used it

by now if they had it.

So, this is incredibly important for

America's national security.

As the prince mentioned, 9/11 happened.

That's the same kind of ideology except

the problem we have in our modern time

is that basically criminal and terrorist

organizations have taken over sovereign

nations with nuclear bombs or seeking

nuclear bombs. We have Russia, China,

you know, we have North Korea, and you

have Iran. And then you have Venezuela.

So, the president has not only

gotten rid of the Maduro in in

Venezuela, he has now begun this process

of dismantling this this Islamic regime

who is absolutely

not a legitimate government and not a

legitimate

nation-state. And the only leader that

is legitimate to lead us to a transition

process to become a democracy is the

Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi. We are very

lucky I think in our modern times to

have three leaders who are living at the

same time and leading at the same time

as President Trump, President Netanyahu,

and Prime Minister Netanyahu, and and

the Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi all in in

this one moment in time. I think we're

living in biblical times. When 10/7

happened,

I started the Israeli-Iranian Alliance

with Michael Eisenberg, Michael

Broukhim,

Jesse Maiman, Shawn Rad,

and we started to host these salons with

the Crown Prince. One was in New York,

Michael Eisenberg flew in, Dan Loeb, and

lots of leaders came.

And that was the beginning of the

process uh that was seated with a

breakfast with Michael Eisenberg as a VC

and that number one VC in Israel

15 years ago where we said we have to do

more between Israeli and Jewish

community and the Persian Iranian

community and someday we're going to

have uh tea in Tehran. And we wrote an

op-ed last year about this and we began

to build these bridges uh and this

connection

between the Jewish people and the

Iranian people goes back 2500 years.

Cyrus the Great who's in the Bible uh

freed the Jews from uh slavery in

Babylon, returned them to their homeland

in Jerusalem, and rebuilt their temple.

Uh and that he is celebrated for that

courageous act uh in the Bible and in in

uh Jewish religious uh you know,

holidays and and it is a tremendous

connection that goes back now 2500 years

later in kind of biblical symmetry. You

have the Jewish people helping free

Iranian people from their slavery. And

at the same time there is a connection

between America's beginning that many

people don't know is that Thomas

Jefferson was uh a student of Cyrus the

Great who declared the first declaration

of human rights. And a lot of the

principles that went into the

declaration of

uh independence of America and the

founding of America and the Bill of

Rights and the Constitution have had its

roots in Cyrus the Great and Persian

history. And so this connection between

America's founding and the principles

that Iranians uh espouse for 2500 years

uh is this beautiful connection between

the Jewish people, the American people,

and the Iranian people. And and this

could have such a tremendous impact on

the region. You have essentially a lone

democracy in Israel uh and now to have

93 million Iranians in a democracy. If

that can be achieved, and listen,

there's a long way to go, this could

spiral out of control. This was a very

high risk

move uh by Trump, President Trump. So,

you give him a lot of credit for that.

Uh but, he has to own this. So, let's be

humble and and we got to pray for the

best here. Things can spiral out of

control in these kind of situations.

But, let's hope that we do get to

democracy there. I'm curious. Shervin,

you spent a lot of time in the Middle

East. I have over the last 3 years

gotten myself educated and caught up, I

hope,

and have started doing business there

and and really meeting a a larger swath

of people. The Gulf monarchies have

modernized incredibly, starting with the

UAE, Saudi uh now the kingdom, and of

course Qatar uh as well modernizing,

Oman, Kuwait.

What would Iran

going straight to a democracy, if that

is even possible, what would that do to

the region in your mind?

I think that uh everything it what what

the Gulf countries have done uh is a

tremendous case study of what the

potential for the Middle East really is.

Uh being blessed uh by God to have oil,

gas the way the most GCC countries have,

and Iran

uh so has, uh gives them an advantage to

be able to have the resources

independently to develop themselves. And

when you look at what happened in UAE

over the last 25 years, I went to UAE in

2001, 2002, and there was a smattering

of buildings there. Yeah, I've seen the

pictures of Dubai then and now.

>> it's it's incredible.

It's incredible. And it it reminds me of

what America was like in the 1950s, when

they came from back from World War II,

Eisenhower built built the Interstate

Highway System, and America developed

into this superpower.

Uh and and in many ways the GCC

countries espoused that American

mentality of everything is possible,

anything is possible. And they've

manifested their greatness. And you look

at Iran, you have 93 million

unbelievably brilliant people who have

been held back. You look at the Iranian

diaspora in America, just our fellow

friends who you may you know Dara

Khosrowshahi at Uber,

uh my myself at Uber,

of course um Omid Kordestani at Google,

and Ali at

Databricks. Um you know, uh Pierre

Omidyar at eBay. When you add up the

numbers, it gets to trillions of dollars

of value have been created by this small

population of Iranians in America, and

especially in Silicon Valley. And I've

been blessed to be part of that circle.

And you know, one thank God for America

that we had a a safe sanctuary to come

and develop our brilliance. But there

are as many as there

as many brilliant Iranians, way more

brilliant Iranians

>> Yeah, on a numbers basis it's it's a

magnitude more. And so this will be a

free democratic Iran will be the

greatest peace dividend and economic

dividend to be gifted to the world and

to the region. So I think what will

happen is

we will have an acceleration of the

Middle East becoming this unbelievable a

place where innovation and investment in

the future is happening. We're at the

dawn of AGI and advanced

superintelligence. We have quantum

computing which you and I, you know, and

Emil Michael and others have done with

our you know, our

SPAC. Um and D-Wave.

These these technologies are are going

to fast-forward humanity and being able

to tap into the resources of the Middle

East and Iran in in human capital and in

the oil and gas wealth to be able to

unleash an accelerated future is

something that we all look forward to.

And one of the things the team uh the

Crown Prince's vision,

uh this is a 175-page report right here,

the Iran Prosperity Project. And I'm

blessed to be an advisor there with many

other very talented Iranians.

And this

piece by piece, month by month,

has a sequence of of plans to rebuild

Iran as the Crown Prince was talking

about, so that when there is a free

Iran, there will be a 4-month process to

get to a referendum,

and then a 6-month process to

assemble Iranians to to write a

constitution,

and then a 14-month process to actually

finalize the the the constitution, and

then have a vote on the constitution.

So, you'll have a sequence of events

that will then lead to

a legal framework where the the the new

Iran will be able to actually execute on

this on this tremendous plan,

and rebuild all aspects and all sectors

of the economy.

And that'll lead to,

you know, this new Iran that we're all

have been dreaming and praying for.

And and so, this plan's been worked on

for some time. He seems like he's got,

you know, a third or so of the

constituents there who are in favor of

him. There are some people who strongly

opposed.

Last time, his father was not perfect.

He's answered many of the hard questions

about his father's tenure. What are the

chances that the existing regime, what's

left of it, there are people in that who

would collaborate on moving to a

democracy where specifically religion

and the government were separated. This

was something MBS was able to do in

Saudi, but not without strong resistance

and great risk to himself.

This is a high-risk thing, you know,

with some of these radicalized

individuals who want religion to rule

over democracy. So, maybe you can unpack

that a bit. Absolutely. The vast

majority of Iranians want a a separation

of

church and state

mosque and state

and we've seen what 47 we've had an AB

test

in Silicon Valley speak of what happens

when you have a system that is

controlled by mullahs.

It has led to absolute disaster and

mayhem and evil

and

so the vast majority are out there and

they're saying Reza Pahlavi's name. If

you look at the videos from January,

they're saying Javid Shah, they're

saying his name to return. He called on

them to come in the streets at 8:00 p.m.

on the on the 8th and 9th and they came

out in droves and by the millions in

response to him. So the idea that we

don't know who the Iranian people want

to help lead this transition process.

The proof is in the pudding. You just

have to look at the videos and look at

the the actual facts.

That's the he's the only leader that

Iranians are by name calling out for him

to to come back and they're also calling

for for Trump and Netanyahu to please

help save them from this you know terror

regime and as we've seen in the last

week their prayers have been answered in

a tremendous way and what is going to

happen is basically a dismantling and a

defanging of this regime's capabilities

to use terror, to use their military

capabilities and we have to let the that

run its course. As the president said,

this is probably about four weeks of

work.

There was a leak

I think in the Washington Post today

that the 82nd Airborne was activated and

that's a signal

that this is going to potentially

lead to even more support in this

liberation operation to completely

dismantle this regime.

Defections are a big part of the

strategy. They

>> Have the defection started yet or is

that too risky for the individuals on

the ground? What what what are you

hearing through your back channels?

Well, I I the the Crown Prince had a

a

system for people to communicate

securely with him and his team and over

50,000 people in the military

have actually responded to that. You saw

some defections that were went viral

during the protests and before the

protests of of different military

members. We expect that that as the

dismantling process continues and many

of the as you saw the

top leadership of the IRGC was

eradicated in the first 24 hours. The

the supreme leader Khamenei was a just

an absolutely evil man

was gone in the first 60 seconds. He

spent 47 years threatening the world. He

lasted 60 seconds. Yeah. And that's

going to continue.

And so

I think it's going to be a very rational

thing for the rest of

who remains to realize that if they

don't actually have a complete surrender

and you know, capitulate. And for the

ones that haven't actually executed the

orders of genocide against Iranian

people, there'll be an opportunity for

people to actually

be a part of the reformation and the

reconstruction of Iran. The plan

actually says even people in the

military will be able to one either have

early retirement for the ones that

didn't actually

execute those you know,

acts of terror against the Iranian

people.

And then others who are talented and

have the the ability to to serve and

want to serve, they'll also be able to

show up at work and continue to get paid

and have some role uh in the military

and in the government. So, there's This

isn't going to be a hunting down of

people. The hunting down is happening

right now. There'll be a process of

peace and reconstruction,

um and rehabilitation

uh that'll happen. And we're going to

also need to have a lot of like, um you

know, specialists to come in and help

people with the trauma that they've been

through for 47 years. Uh this is going

to be a multiple multi-threaded

Multi-generational trauma, yeah.

multi-generational. Yes. Uh tell me

about uh the Kurd the Kurds being backed

by Assad and um the CIA are uh backing,

reportedly, militias in the West. And

that's going to play a role, yeah?

I think, you know, we we have to be

very, very careful because uh a red line

for the Iranian people is we have

existed at a as a country for for 5,000

years, as a people for 5,000 years.

Wherever invaders came in or out, we

always outlasted our invaders. These

These people uh who have ta- had taken

over for 47 years, were occupiers. They

weren't really truly Iranians. They were

occupiers of this country.

Uh and they'll be booted just like

Genghis Khan and everyone else who came

into Iran were booted. Um and so, uh

it's very important we if if if there's

any kind of separatist movement, we will

lose the goodwill and the support of

millions and millions of Iranians. Um

and so,

>> to be one country, you know? It has to

be one country. The territorial

integrity of Iran must be protected.

That's a red line for the Crown Prince.

It's a red line for the Iranian people.

Um and so, that's that's incredibly

important uh to to uh project that.

Wherever there's collaborations that can

happen

uh to to be able to work together

uh to fight uh for uh the the

to be completed and for a march on to

Tehran and the Crown Prince being able

to come back to lead this transition and

physically come back to his homeland.

You imagine that after 47 years of being

away from his nation Yeah. we uh being

away from my

>> You've never been able to go back or

have you snuck in and

>> I I haven't been back for, you know, I

left Basically, I was born in 1976.

My dad, the the last Shah, was sending a

lot of the top brilliant people on

scholarships around the world. Iranian

community and uh graduate school and

universities was the largest population

in 1970s. He was educating this whole

um class of people and we were going

back to to rebuild and build Iran into

this great nation. We're at the cusp of

greatness. So, my father came to

Washington D.C. uh where I am right now

and uh I grew up here uh on 16th Street

in in in Washington

uh and he got his master's degree at

Catholic University. Uh 1976 to 1978.

Uh and I remember when we first came it

was a bicentennial of America. Now,

it was our 200th anniversary. And so, he

returned We returned to Iran 1978.

Um right before the revolution, really

bad timing. And my dad had been promoted

to head of radio and television for the

Shah and uh this all happened. The

revolution happened. Khomeini was coming

back and my dad made the courageous

decision to help uh the US Embassy get

the radio communications devices to

them, do foreign language broadcasts to

tell um uh foreigners in Iran how to get

out of the country. This was from the

different embassies. And Khomeini and

Khamenei put my father, Abraham, on the

execution list. So, he went into hiding

for 10 months. I didn't see my dad for

10 months and uh and kind of a kismet

moment, a someone he helped get a job in

radio and television came to my our home

and said to my mom, I want to help. And

she didn't trust him and said, I don't

know where he is, but she checked with

my dad and and they came back and my dad

said, no, you can trust him. And that

guy was the new head of security for the

Mehrabad Airport in Tehran. And he

personally met my father. And I remember

this moment I woke up to my brother

crying and my dad was at the door after

10 months to say goodbye cuz he didn't

know if he was going to survive. Uh and

he went to the airport

met his friend and he walked him onto

the Air France flight and you know,

crying he he flew out

and came to America and the people he

had helped helped him

get his papers and everything in order.

And then we were stuck in Iran for two

years. Saddam invaded, bombs were

falling on us every night and the sirens

were going off. So then we escaped with

my mom and my brother and sister came to

America with $35.

My dad was driving a taxi while getting

his PhD. My dad A great paradox. My mom

>> [laughter]

>> was like, yeah, I did Uber. Actually

helped Great irony. He loves irony.

That was one of the things in my first

meeting with Jason and with with Travis,

I told him that story and I and I I know

that like growing up in an orange and

black taxi cab in in in Washington D.C.

helped me win the Uber deal against all

the greatest in venture. Yeah. You know,

it's all full circle. Only in America

would that be possible. You know, the

the son of a taxi driver and a maid

Yeah. you know, coming to America with

nothing be able to have the blessing of

the life that we've had and Fantastic.

I've never forgotten those roots. I've

tried to to serve America. Um and um

I'm you know,

now now helping in any way that I can to

help the Crown Prince in this transition

process for a free Iran and and rebuild

Iran into

something great. So, make Iran What's

extraordinary to me about the Iranian

people is they have maintained even

under this oppression

that spirit.

47 years later, I don't know if you've

ever seen the Anthony Bourdain Yeah. uh

you know, episode when he goes there.

And it was always touched me. I don't

know if this is like a decade ago when

he did it.

And he said, "I can't believe it. This

These people are Americans. They're

They're eating Pizza Hut. They're

listening to music. They're having some

beers on their back porch. They're

dancing. They are on VPNs, you know,

understanding culture and what's going

on around the world even under the

oppression. Women, gays, uh everybody in

between, uh

they're suffering and they still have

that joy of life that every person I've

ever met

will stay with you like the Greeks or

the Irish and they will close the

restaurant. They will talk and the

restaurant closes the door. They go on

to the restaurant, sit down, and you

just talk for another hour. Some of the

most beautiful people I've ever met and

uh it's just I'm so glad that you are

engaged in this. Uh very much appreciate

you bringing the prince

>> Thank you, Jason. I didn't here today.

understand the soul of the Iranian and

that is exactly where they we love to

host our friends on the sofa

and uh and uh you know, uh uh

there truly are as American as you can

be. Uh we love our freedom. Uh we've

suffered for so long uh and we're so

thankful for uh President Trump uh

having the having the courage to take on

this evil regime and we look forward to

uh hosting All In Pod in Tehran Um that

would be sooner than later. one of the

great bucket lists of my life to be able

to go to Tehran and and host the podcast

there and have tea with [clears throat]

you in Tehran. We'll have Let's put it

on the schedule a year from today. food

in in the world. I can't wait to take

you to Tehran.

>> What's the signature for you? What's the

signature dish? What's the Well, I mean

What's your favorite? Everyone loves the

the Persian kebabs, right? But the

kebabs in Iran

are something else. There's like it's a

it's a tremendous uh you know, food

culture. Uh and the national dish is

called ghormeh sabzi,

um which is a stew of lamb and and my

mom was like the greatest Persian cook

in the world and she would cook it for 3

days.

Uh and these foods I can't wait to to

break bread with you in a free Iran.

>> Incredible. It'll be a Yeah, I mean

[clears throat] that's one of the things

the Greeks

and uh the Iranians share is that love

of lamb. Cannot wait. Us. All right, my

brother. Um Uh thank you. I'm so glad

you're engaged in this. Gives me hope um

and

good luck in the next uh three, four,

five weeks. Let's hope and pray for the

best. Thank you.

>> the All-In audience, we'll see you next

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