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The imagination is real: Terence McKenna | Full Lecture 1996 | Nonlocal Data

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The imagination is real: Terence McKenna | Full Lecture 1996 | Nonlocal Data

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It's real. It's not woo woo. It's

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actually scientifically true at the

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fundamental core of physics that all

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space and all time is in some form of

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simultaneous connection. I believe this

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is what the human imagination is that

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you have two eyes to show you local

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space and then you have an organ called

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the mind which doesn't protrude anywhere

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on the surface of your body except

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occasionally in some cases it will lodge

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on a surrogate but generally the mind is

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invisible

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uh but it gives you non-local data

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that's what the imagination is that's

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non-local data. Everything in the

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imagination is real somewhere somewhere

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so far away in space and time that it

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makes absolutely no sense to give it

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another thought ever again. Don't ever

1:02

think that thought again. But know that

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everything in the imagination is real.

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All right. Wonderful to see so many

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people turned out uh after having just

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been here a scant uh year ago. I'm

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delighted that they invited me back. Uh

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the deal is no jokes about Camaro

1:29

raffles, no jokes about Mulivite

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suppositories.

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So just consider it as if it didn't

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happen.

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[Music]

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When I think about talking to an

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audience like this, I go through my

1:51

toolkit and try to say you know what is

1:54

cogent, what's meaningful, what can

1:57

bring us forward and there seem to be

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it's a changing list but at the moment

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what seems to be going is the old

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perennial

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psychedelic alteration of consciousness

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for purposes of personal exploration,

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social reformation, creation of a new

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art, a new politic. That's one of the of

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the major pieces of the puzzle. Another

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major piece is uh the new communications

2:31

technologies and I mean not only the

2:34

internet but the software that allows us

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each and every one of us to be

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animators, filmmakers,

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visually expressive people who can

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produce

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emotionally moving works of great depth

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and beauty.

2:54

This is something that technology has

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brought to us. And strangely enough, a

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technology largely produced by

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psychedelic heads, people like

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ourselves.

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I told you last year, I think when we

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discussed drugs and technology that the

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only difference between a computer and a

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psychedelic was one was too large to

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swallow.

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Well, you know, great progress has been

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made in 12 months. uh in another three

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or four years we will be able to swallow

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the computer. Some of us may never be

3:30

able to swallow it. Uh the third piece

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of the puzzle which is sort of mine

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alone to play with since no one else

3:39

wants to be this publicly crazy is uh

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the whole business of novelty theory.

3:46

The approach of a singularity in time

3:50

that is sculpting the human and natural

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world and that is so large an object in

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the

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intuitive sphere of human beings that it

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almost has religious overtones.

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And then the question for me and the

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question for you I suppose is how much

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of this can you take without having to

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take it all? How much of these ideas can

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you embibe without having to go uh the

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whole distance? And the answer is, you

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know, it's a personal matter for each

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person to feel into their circumstance,

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which means their history, both

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psychedelic and non-sychedelic,

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and then to feel into the projection of

4:40

their future. Do you think you are

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repeating the lifestyles and algorithms

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of your parents and grandparents at

4:49

infanitum back to Adam? Or do you feel

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like you've stepped to the front of the

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train of human evolution that you are

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making yourself new every day? If we

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reach too far back into the stabilizing

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metaphors of the past, we get rigidity,

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habit,

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limitation.

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If we step too quickly into the

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unlimited freedom of the future, we lose

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our grounding. Uh, socialism

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did this over the past hundred years.

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And because it abandoned any contact

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with a realistic human psychology, the

5:33

best intended people ended up creating

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nightmare societies. If your theory is

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not true to the nature of humanness, you

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will end up beating human beings like

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metal on the anvil of your ideology.

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And this creates great human suffering

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and uh and uh

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historical catastrophe.

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And I maintain that our own society

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suffers from an a a failure to

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adequately

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model and reflect the true nature of

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human beings. We have ideas. We have

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ideals that get in the way of realism

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and immediate experience.

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And when I was thinking about all of

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this and how to put it into a metaphor

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that would be appealing and amusing and

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and lead people to look deeper into

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these things, uh I began to play with

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the idea of it's a religious idea. You

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all have heard although probably more

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often in English than in Latin the

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thought in principio at verbam at

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verbboaraktomest

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which means in the beginning was the

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word and the word was made flesh.

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This is the great overarching myth of

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western religion. It equally informs

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Islam, Christianity, Judaism. These

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three great flavors of monotheism

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all accept this primary statement. In

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the beginning was the word and the word

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was made flesh.

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What does it mean for a moment? Taken

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away from the tire exugesus of the cults

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that have hammered at it for so long.

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What does it mean in and of itself? It

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means that language

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is somehow the privileged

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medium of exchange between human beings

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and the divine.

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That the dissent of the word into flesh

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makes the flesh more than flesh. Makes

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the word more than the word. The union

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of flesh and word launches the cosmic

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drama of fall and redemption. That is

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the myth of western society.

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And for centuries and centuries, we've

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concentrated on one end of this story of

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the fall and the redemption. We have

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concentrated on the fall.

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But meanwhile,

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through all the grimy

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betrayals and bloody backsliding of

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human history, the word has quietly

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advanced its agenda. And I've been

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thinking a lot about this recently

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because in a new book I'm writing, I'm

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writing a lot about spoken language

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speech

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and I've come to a conclusion that

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typical of me is far from orthodoxy and

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far from much cover provided by anybody

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else's ideas on this matter. I've come

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to the conclusion that language is very

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old.

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Thinking is very old. Communicating

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is very old by glance, by gesture, by

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dance, by meme, by intuition. But speech

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is very recent.

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It's a technological innovation

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as fresh as uh the pantium chip or the

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spinning wheel. It's something someone

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invented somewhere. It's the most

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successful technological leap forward

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ever made. It's the discovery of

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symbolic signification.

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That a noise meaning nothing can by

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convention be given a meaning and that

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that meaning will then attend that

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utterance wherever it occurs in the

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presence of those who have joined. in

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the agreement that attaches the symbol

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to the meaningless utterance. It's a

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coding breakthrough. Somebody hacked

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this about 35,000

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years ago and immediately as forms of

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media have a way of doing. It swamped

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the previous methods of communication

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because a it worked in the dark.

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uh suddenly uh evenings were not so

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boring anymore. Uh it worked in the

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dark. It also the touchyfey forms of

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communication were generally oneon-one

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and related probably to having sex or

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aggressive physical encounters. But

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suddenly one voice could reach many and

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many could respond.

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And virtual reality was born at that

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moment. Not here in the late 20th

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century, but at that moment because

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acoustical

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environments

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laden with symbolic meaning became the

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name of the game. Stories is what we

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call these things and they are uh the

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proper use of the advanced form of media

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known as human speech. It's using human

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speech to create three-dimensional

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scenarios that unfold and everyone is

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carried along with the drama and the

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wonder of it. From that beginning and a

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in a series of successively accelerating

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leaps, the word has made its way into

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the world. Uh it's interesting that uh

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straight linguists and paleolinguists

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believe human language is no more than

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35,000 years old. Imagine that. We

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possess homo sapiens sapien skeletons

12:21

110,000 years old. People like the

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person who rode with you on the bus

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yesterday. People that modern. And yet

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the experts tell us no one spoke until

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35,000 years ago.

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No one wrote until 5 or 6,000 years ago.

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Reading and writing is simply a carrying

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forward of the original program of

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signification.

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first using acoustical signals and then

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some other hacker had the brilliant

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idea, well if we can use sound to carry

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abstract associations, why not abstract

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symbols to carry abstract associations?

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And writing was born. And what writing

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allows is expansion of the database

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because things are not dependent on the

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the wetwware of human memory to survive

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from generation to generation. Suddenly

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the mush of brain is replaced by the

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durability of wood and stone and clay

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and these things then become the medium

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upon which the primary database of the

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culture is being carried forward. Well

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the rest of the story you know and this

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is not a lecture in the history of

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communication. Each succeeding

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refinement in communication has brought

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the word deeper into its association

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with the flesh until the present. And at

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this moment there is a kind of a uh what

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dynamicists call a cusp,

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a turning of the system upon its axes.

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And the word is now beginning to make

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the return journey to the mysterious and

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hidden source from which it descended.

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In other words, spirit is now beginning

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to disentangle

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itself from matter. The 20th century

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will be remembered as the great clash

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point or the great arena of conflict

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between the triumphal

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positivist and rational systems that

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European thought has developed over the

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past 300 years and the new irrational

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systems of thought which anthropology

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cheerfully imported into white high

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culture in the guise of repotage about

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the primitive.

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But this repotage about the primitive

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turns out to be a kind of

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oraboric conundrum. The snake taking its

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tail in its mouth. In the past h 100red

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years as these super technologies have

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been developed in the west the smashing

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of atoms the invention of of radio

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television computers immunology so forth

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and so on

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data has been arriving about the

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practices of aboriginal cultures all

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over the planet that they dissolve

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ordinary realities ordinary cultural

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values through an interaction a symbio

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iosis, a relationship to local plants

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that perturb brain chemistry. And in

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this domain of perturbed brain

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chemistry, the cultural operating system

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is wiped clean.

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And something older, even for these

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people, something older, more

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vitalistic, more in touch with the

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animal soul replaces it. Replaces the

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cultural operating system. something not

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determined by history and geography but

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something written.

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You are not naked when you take off your

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clothes. You still wear your religious

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assumptions, your prejudices, your

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fears, your illusions, your delusions.

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When you shed the cultural operating

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system, then

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essentially you stand naked before the

16:52

inspection of your own psyche. Desmond

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Morris called it the naked ape. And it's

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from that position, a position outside

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the cultural operating system, that we

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can begin to ask real questions about

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what does it mean to be human? What kind

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of circumstance are we caught in? And

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what kind of structures, if any, can we

17:18

put in place to assuage the pain and

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accentuate the glory and the wonder that

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lurks waiting for us in this very narrow

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slice of time between the birth canal

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and the yawning grave.

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In other words, we have to return to

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first premises.

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So, I've been thinking about this a lot

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and at first it seemed to me only a

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metaphor, this phrase, culture is your

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operating system. But because I travel

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around a lot and get that jolting

17:58

experience frequently of let's say

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leaving London on a foggy evening and

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arriving in Johannesburg 14 hours later

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to a sweltering day in a city of 14

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million on the brink of anarchy. I get

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to change my operating system frequently

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and so I notice the relativity of these

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systems and some work for some things

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and some for others. For instance, if

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you are a positivist,

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if you're running positivism 4.0,

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you can't support UFOs. Positivism 4.0

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does not support UFOs. If on the other

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hand you're running your runa book 5.1

18:44

as your operating system uh UFOs and a

18:48

number of other things can get in

18:50

through the door. That is what we would

18:53

technically say is a more tolerant

18:55

operating system or its plugins support

18:59

special effects denied the positivist.

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Well, uh, it's fun to think this way

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because it shows you that you're you

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don't have to be the victim of your

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culture. It's not like your eye color or

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your height or your gender. Uh, it's

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it's fragile. It can be remade if you

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wish it to be. And then the question is,

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well, how do how does one um uh download

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a new operating system? Well, first of

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all, you have to clear some space on

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your disc. Uh, the best way to do this

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is probably with a pharmacological

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agent. Um,

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you think of some while I have a drink

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of water.

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[Music]

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Psilocybin is an excellent disc cleaner.

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uh you can put a lot of things in the

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trash and have them just disappear uh

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with a uh psilocybin upgrade.

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Uh other pharmacological agents that

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will clear your disc are uh iawaska

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and of course these are gentle clearings

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of the disc which take 5 6 7 hours. Uh

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if you're in a hurry to dump that old

20:24

data and leap right into the new

20:27

operating system. uh click on the button

20:31

marked dimethylryptoamine.

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Uh a compressed disc eraser will

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immediately be downloaded unsted been

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hexed implemented installed run and uh

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and you will find yourself with an

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entirely different head. Um,

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now shamans have always

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known, though they may not have used the

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kind of language I'm using here, shamans

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have always known this trick.

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What trick? It has two facets. First of

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all, that culture is an operating

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system. That's all it is. And that the

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operating system can be wiped out and

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replaced by something else. So in

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essentially what's going on among

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shamans and those who resort to them uh

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for curing and and counseling and so

21:30

forth is somebody's running a slightly

21:32

more advanced operating system than the

21:35

customer. Uh the the shaman is in

21:38

possession of certain facts about

21:41

plants, about animals, about healing,

21:44

about human psychology, about the local

21:46

geography, about mojo of many different

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sorts. that the client is not aware of.

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The client is running culture light. The

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shaman paid for the registered and

22:00

licensed version of the software and uh

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is running a much heavier version of the

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software than the client. I think we

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should all aspire to make this upgrade.

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Uh it's very important that you have all

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the bells and whistles. uh on your

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operating system. Otherwise, somebody is

22:23

going to be able to get a leg up uh on

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you.

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Well, what's wrong with the operating

22:29

system that we have? Uh consumer

22:34

capitalism 5.0 or whatever it is. Well,

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it's dumb.

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Uh

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it's retro.

22:45

It's very non-competitive.

22:47

It's messy. It wastes the environment.

22:50

It wastes human resources. Uh, it's

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inefficient. It runs on stereotypes. It

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runs on a low sampling rate, which is

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what creates stereotypes. Low sample

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rates uh make uh everybody appear alike

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when in fact the glory is in everyone's

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differences. Uh and the current

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operating system uh is flawed.

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It actually has bugs in it uh that

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generate contradictions. Contradictions

23:24

such as we're cutting the earth from

23:27

beneath our own feet. We're poisoning

23:30

the atmosphere that we breathe. This is

23:34

not intelligent behavior. This is a

23:36

culture with a bug and its operating

23:38

system that's making it produce erratic,

23:42

dysfunctional, malfunctional behavior.

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Time to call the tech.

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And who are the techs? The shamans are

23:51

the techs.

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Well, so I think you get the idea. Uh

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very important to upgrade your operating

24:02

system by dumping obsolete cultural sub

24:06

routines. They are simply taking up disk

24:09

space. They are not advancing uh you in

24:14

any way. whatsoever.

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Now,

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a very large group of people who

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followed this advice and rebuilt their

24:24

operating systems in the 1960s

24:27

went on then to build this most amazing

24:32

of all cultural artifacts, the internet.

24:36

The internet is light at the end of the

24:40

tunnel. I don't care if it's being used

24:42

to pedal pornography. I don't care if

24:45

it's being trivialized in a thousand

24:47

ways. Anything can be trivialized.

24:51

The important point is that it is

24:54

leveling the playing field of global

24:58

society. It is creating de facto an

25:03

entirely new set of political realities.

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None of the constipated oligarchic

25:08

structures that are resisting this were

25:11

ever asked. Their greed betrayed them

25:15

into investing in this in the first

25:18

place without ever fully grasping what

25:21

the implications of it were for their

25:23

larger agenda. The internet basically

25:27

means you can now be as as free as you

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are motivated to be, as free as you dare

25:36

to be. Tim Liry years ago, it was

25:39

something he used to say that never got

25:41

quoted as much as turn on, tune in, drop

25:45

out, but it seemed to me it it was maybe

25:48

better advice. And he used to say, "Find

25:52

the others.

25:54

Find the others."

25:57

Well, you know, if you're a gay kid in

26:00

Fargo, North Dakota, if you're a

26:02

masculine enthusiast in Winnipeg, if

26:05

you're a student of alchemy and moose

26:09

jaw, community is pretty much out of

26:12

reach uh for you or it was until the

26:16

coming of the internet. And the internet

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introduces everybody, no matter how

26:21

weird, no matter how marginalized, no

26:23

matter how peculiar, to the fact that

26:26

there are others like you. There are

26:29

others like you. Find the others. Make

26:34

common cause. uh realize that uh it's

26:41

the deals you cut and the friends you

26:44

make that determine where you're going

26:47

to be standing when the flash hits. I

26:50

mean, that's just obvious. And by you

26:55

see, the cultural game is a game of

26:58

uniformitarianism.

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[Music]

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Cultural myths are that we are all

27:04

alike. We Americans

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each created equal. I mean, if you can

27:10

believe that at an operational level,

27:13

then I have some bridges I would like to

27:16

sell you. Uh it it's a necessary truth

27:21

to do political business. But it is not

27:25

the truth. The truth is that you are not

27:29

created equal with yourself from day to

27:32

day. Leave alone any comparison with

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anybody else. You are not the person you

27:39

were yesterday nor the person you will

27:42

be next week. What is an observation

27:44

like that uh what shadow does it cast in

27:47

a world of all people are created equal?

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Uh these are clashes of operating

27:53

systems. There's an axiom in one all

27:56

created equal and an axiom in the other

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each divergent. These things can't be

28:03

parsed. They can't be brought together.

28:06

So culture plays a game of

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simplification.

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If you can make people think alike, they

28:13

will buy alike. They will worship alike.

28:17

And if you know politics demands it,

28:20

they will kill alike.

28:23

So the uniformitarian agenda of culture

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is not an agenda friendly to you or to

28:32

me or to any other individual. And if

28:36

you start out from that point of view,

28:39

you will soon realize

28:42

that culture is not your friend.

28:45

Now this is not exactly PC to say what

28:49

with everybody running around recovering

28:51

their Latvian roots and their Irishness

28:54

and their this whatever culture is not

28:59

your friend. If you define yourself as a

29:03

member of a group

29:06

of any group,

29:08

know that that is a gross simplification

29:12

and that everything about you that is

29:14

interesting and unique is betrayed by

29:18

defining yourself in that way. Uh, you

29:22

know, most racism is practiced by people

29:26

of the race

29:29

that they are making racial judgments

29:31

about. White people have far more racial

29:35

opinions about white people than any

29:37

other racial group because that's where

29:39

they spend their time. These gross

29:42

simplifications

29:43

betray humanity, betray uniqueness, make

29:46

sane politics impossible. What we have

29:50

to do is get back to

29:53

the reality of the flesh, the reality of

29:58

the individual

30:00

identity. This is how we come packaged.

30:04

Uh a race, that's an abstraction. These

30:08

days, you have to have three years of

30:09

genetics under your belt to give a

30:11

satisfactory definition of the word if

30:14

we're really going to go to the math on

30:16

it. I mean, it's an it's an it's an

30:18

abstraction of modern science. It's a

30:21

notion so far removed from anything you

30:23

and I come in contact with that we

30:25

should just junk it. What we need to

30:28

celebrate is the individual. It's have

30:32

you not noticed I certainly have that

30:36

every historical change you can think of

30:40

in fact any change you can think of

30:43

forget about human beings any change in

30:45

any system that you can think of is

30:48

always ultimately traceable to one unit

30:53

in the system undergoing a phase state

30:56

change of some sort. No group. There are

31:00

no group decisions. Those things come

31:03

later. The genius of creativity and of

31:08

initiation of activity always lies uh

31:13

with the individual. And it's very

31:16

interesting that this is what the

31:17

psychedelics address. They address us

31:20

uniquely as individuals. You can sit

31:23

next to somebody who drank from the same

31:26

bottle you did and be perfectly

31:29

confident that their experience has very

31:32

little congruency

31:35

uh with your own.

31:41

Well, so then if we if we um let the

31:45

scales of cultural values fall from our

31:48

eyes and try not to look at the world

31:51

through the eyes of science or democracy

31:55

or capitalism

31:57

or Christianity,

32:00

what

32:01

what is there beyond ideology?

32:05

What are the facts of the matter?

32:10

as I see it, uh, the most visible facts

32:17

on the on the surface of things, on the

32:19

surface of being, I see

32:23

the law of increasing complexity.

32:26

Things have gotten more complicated

32:29

through time.

32:31

I I have never met anyone who could

32:34

successfully argue against this. That

32:36

doesn't mean it's true, but it means

32:38

that it may be, as Vickenstein used to

32:41

say, true enough.

32:44

True enough that as you approach the

32:48

present moment in the only area of the

32:50

universe which we have accurate data

32:52

about, which is this planet, things have

32:55

things become more complicated.

32:57

Uh, a million years ago, there were no

33:00

human civilizations. A thousand years

33:02

ago, there were no machines to speak of.

33:05

A hundred years ago there was no

33:07

communication infrastructure to speak

33:10

of. 10 years ago there was no internet.

33:13

18 months ago there was no Java. Uh

33:17

things are complexifying, intensifying,

33:20

moving together. This is the universal

33:24

drama that is reaching culmination in

33:29

our lifetimes

33:31

because and I offer this don't believe

33:35

me for God's sake don't believe anybody

33:37

just take this stuff in and then measure

33:38

it against your own experience. The

33:41

second extracultural fact that I've been

33:44

able to discern,

33:46

the first being things get more

33:49

complicated as you approach the present

33:51

and the second being that process of

33:54

complexification is occurring faster and

33:57

faster. The early universe was very slow

34:00

moving. It took a long time for things

34:03

to cool down and life to begin its

34:07

agonizing

34:08

march out of the slime into animal form,

34:12

meeting extinction and catastrophe and

34:15

setback after setback, but always

34:18

picking itself up literally out of the

34:20

mud and moving forward. Well, as life

34:23

left the ocean, the pace of evolution

34:26

quickened. As life radiated across the

34:29

land, uh, the number of of fila

34:33

multiplied, the number of species

34:35

multiplied. Finally, a million years

34:38

ago, pick a number, a million and a half

34:40

years ago,

34:42

the higher primates begin to use tools.

34:45

Fire enters the picture. And just as an

34:48

aside, isn't it interesting how long

34:50

people used tools and fire before spoken

34:55

language enters the picture? I mean, we

34:57

possess tools

34:59

a million years old, human tools,

35:02

language 35,000 years old. When I was in

35:05

South Africa last year, I was in this

35:07

place that reminded me of like the four

35:10

corners area around Moab, Utah. It was

35:13

like nothing like I had expected South

35:15

Africa to be. And when I wasn't

35:17

teaching, I would wander the dry aoyos

35:21

and hunt for human tools. And there was

35:24

an archaeologist staying in the bar or

35:27

in the hotel there. And we would drink

35:29

in the evening in the bar. And I would

35:32

lay my day find out on the bar. And he

35:36

would sort it into piles. He'd say,

35:38

"Nothing in this pile is less than

35:41

165,000 years old. Everything in this

35:44

pile is from human tools we're talking

35:48

about."

35:50

Now I've lost my thread because I was so

35:52

thrilled with my sidebar. I think I can

35:55

get it back. Ah yeah, here it is. Here

35:57

it is. And they say ptheads can't

36:02

here it is. The the second obvious fact

36:05

which haunts the postcultural viewpoint

36:07

is this acceleration

36:10

of change. And I've sort of built my

36:13

career on this because I'm a rationalist

36:16

but I feel the emotional power of this

36:19

thing. We are in we are caught in a

36:22

basin of attraction to use a

36:25

mathematical term. In other words, we

36:27

are under the influence of something

36:29

which is pulling us into the future or

36:32

into novelty if you want to put it that

36:34

way at a faster and faster rate. So

36:39

problems which are presented in the

36:41

following terms. If we don't do

36:44

something in 500 years we will run out

36:46

of this that or the other. or if we

36:49

don't do something in a thousand years

36:51

this or that will happen. These are

36:53

meaningless

36:55

statistics because the uh acceleration

37:00

into novelty is rewriting the rules now

37:03

every 18 months. Uh we we are descending

37:08

now into a well of novelty such that

37:12

more change is now occurring in a single

37:16

human lifetime than incurred in the

37:18

previous 10,000 years of human history.

37:22

We are approaching at a faster and

37:24

faster rate something unthinkable.

37:27

Something which is sculpting us in its

37:30

image. Something which shamans have

37:33

always

37:34

known was there. Though they may not

37:37

have used the metaphor of ahead of us in

37:40

time. That's a western download of where

37:44

it is because you could just as well say

37:46

it's in heaven or behind us in time or

37:49

everywhere or nowhere. The point is

37:51

we're about to arrive in its presence

37:54

and uh it is shaping us to prepare us

38:00

for the arrival. It is making us more

38:03

and more in its image. This is not a new

38:06

process. This began a long long time ago

38:09

but it's now reaching its culmination.

38:13

And I said a few minutes ago, the

38:16

internet is light at the end of the

38:18

tunnel. The internet is the beginning of

38:21

a nervous system that is knitting not

38:24

only all human beings but all life

38:28

together, all information together

38:32

because you know there already is an

38:34

internet. It's called the integrated

38:37

ecosystem of planet 3. It runs on

38:41

pherommones. It runs on weather systems,

38:45

ocean tides, touric currents moving in

38:48

the earth, uh thousands of methods.

38:54

It that way because our cultural

38:56

tradition is one of reductionism, tear

38:59

things apart, break them into their

39:01

subordinate units, break those into

39:04

still smaller units. Well, when you have

39:06

a theory of reality like that, what you

39:08

end up with is all the pieces spread out

39:12

and no car and nowhere to go. Uh,

39:17

but nature has always operated as an

39:20

integrated system of communication and

39:23

the internet is in a sense nothing more

39:27

than a human aping of a natural system

39:31

already in place. If we could do it

39:34

through pherommones, light, mycelium,

39:37

and electromagnetic pulses through the

39:39

earth, we wouldn't be stringing copper

39:41

and cable and fiber optic. Those things

39:45

are simply um historical artifacts of

39:50

the moment. What lies ahead on the

39:53

internet? What lies ahead I think for us

39:55

and this is the last point I really want

39:58

to make

40:00

and then we can talk about all this is

40:03

you know I have been a true resistor of

40:06

the alien penetration of human

40:10

civilization because I just saw no

40:12

evidence for it. But the the chant that

40:17

they are coming has now grown so loud

40:20

that I feel like one sort of has to ask

40:23

oneself, well short of just 100%

40:27

skepticism, what the hell is going on

40:30

with this alien pipe? And I think that

40:35

the problem is one of modeling and

40:37

intelligence. There is an alien. We are

40:41

in the cultural process of meeting this

40:44

alien. But they do not come in thousand

40:48

ton burillium ships from Zanbu Ganubi to

40:51

trade high technology for human fetal

40:53

tissue. I mean that if you that's an

40:56

intelligence test, folks. Uh that's not

41:00

how it works. uh our own hysteria

41:05

makes it very difficult for us to deal

41:07

with the presence of the alien and the

41:10

alien knows that that's why it has

41:13

disguised itself as a psychedelic

41:16

experience I think uh

41:21

where you know how in all those 50s be

41:24

science fiction movies the there was

41:26

always this theme of the landing area

41:31

and I saw But in Mars attacks too, there

41:33

must be a landing zone. Somehow we must

41:36

let them know that we welcome them by

41:39

building a landing area. And the Nazka

41:43

plane has been claimed and on and on and

41:45

on. I think that the alien is a creature

41:49

of pure information.

41:52

It's purely information. It's non-local.

41:56

It comes out of the bell non-locality

41:59

part of the universe that exists

42:01

distributed through hyperspace. The

42:04

alien is real but it is only made of

42:09

information and therefore the only

42:13

dimension in which it can be encountered

42:17

is a dimension of pure information.

42:21

Fortunately,

42:23

we are building a dimension of pure

42:26

information.

42:27

Providentially, we have named it the

42:29

net.

42:31

The net is a net for catching the alien

42:35

mind.

42:37

How will it come? Will it descend upon

42:40

our websites in a flash of light? I

42:43

don't think so. How it will come is

42:46

hacked through human fingers.

42:49

The alien is real but it is within us.

42:54

It can only communicate information and

42:57

that information has to be made real in

43:00

this world by human coders.

43:04

So if we were to set out light-heartedly

43:07

to build a virtual reality as alien as

43:11

we could make it, I maintain that 3/4 of

43:15

the way our hair would be standing on

43:17

end because we would realize we are not

43:22

inventing this. We are discovering it.

43:26

You know Michangelo said uh the form is

43:30

in the block of marble. What I do is I

43:33

take away the part that is unnecessary

43:36

and reveal the human torso within the

43:39

block of marble. In the same way, the

43:43

alien is already within us, but we must

43:47

model it. We must call it forth into a

43:52

dimension of potential dialogue. And I

43:56

think that ultimately this is what high

44:00

techch society can bring to the shamanic

44:04

equation. Uh shamans have been dealing

44:08

with spirits, entities, powers for more

44:13

than a 100,000 years. But it has always

44:16

been on a onetoone basis. one human

44:21

being at a time went up Mount Si to talk

44:25

to the fire on the mountain. But with

44:28

virtual reality, we have a technology

44:31

that allows us to show each other our

44:33

dreams

44:35

and yes, our hallucinations.

44:38

And as we begin to show each other the

44:40

contents of our own heads, and as we

44:43

begin to explore the alien niagraas of

44:47

beauty that pour through your

44:49

consciousness under the influence of

44:51

some of these substances, we are going

44:53

to discover that we are not what we

44:55

thought we were. That the monkey flesh

45:00

is penetrated by something,

45:05

dare I say it, divine.

45:08

or at least alien, transplanetary, and

45:12

beyond the power of human comprehension.

45:15

I don't know if we're talking about God

45:17

Almighty here. I don't know if we're

45:19

talking about the God who hung the stars

45:22

like lamps in heaven, as Milton says.

45:25

That seems a tall order. Maybe what

45:27

we're talking about is the god of

45:29

biology.

45:31

Uh something has happened to this

45:33

planet. It has become infected with an

45:37

informationational

45:40

call it virus, call it force, call it

45:42

being that is using matter and yes using

45:47

our flesh and our thoughts to bootstrap

45:51

itself to higher and higher levels. And

45:55

now the prosthesis of machinery and the

45:58

possibility of an artificial

45:59

intelligence raises the real option of

46:04

producing

46:08

of actually

46:09

midwifing the birth of an entirely new

46:13

not species but order of biological and

46:18

intelligence

46:21

in existence. The human machine symbiot

46:25

is upon us. I mean, it's been with us

46:28

for a while since the first wheel was

46:30

carved, since the first stick was

46:33

sharpened. But that was all very simple

46:35

stuff. Now, it's clear that we are in

46:39

partnership with an other mind which

46:43

comes to us through our machineries and

46:47

through the biosphere. Wherever we press

46:51

beyond the thin curtain of rationalist

46:55

culture, we discover the incredibly

46:58

rich, erotic, scary, promising presence

47:04

of this intelligent other which beckons

47:08

us out of history and says, you know,

47:12

the galaxy lies waiting. A galaxy of

47:16

galaxies

47:18

lie waiting. Lose the encumbrances of

47:23

three-dimensional space. Return with the

47:27

word to its higher and hidden source.

47:30

And at that point, you will discover the

47:33

alchemical

47:35

uh uh uh paraclete

47:40

will be given unto you. the alchemical

47:43

dispensation

47:45

will be given. And as James Joyce said,

47:48

man will be durable.

47:53

What did he mean? He he meant that we

47:56

will lose the limitations of physical

47:59

and three-dimensional space. That we are

48:01

destined to become mental creatures.

48:03

People say, "Well, isn't this a terrible

48:05

thing? What about this, that, and the

48:07

other? All the things you're worrying

48:08

about, we turned our back on 25,000

48:11

years ago. We have been marching through

48:14

this virtual reality of our own creation

48:17

for the entire duration of what is

48:19

called human history.

48:22

Now, uh

48:26

is there a political implication to all

48:28

of this? I think the political

48:31

implication is a a personal one. We all

48:35

must try to understand what is

48:37

happening. We need to try to understand

48:40

what is happening. And in my humble

48:43

opinion, ideology is only going to get

48:46

in your way. Nobody understands what is

48:49

happening. Not Buddhists, not

48:52

Christians, not government scientists,

48:55

not you know, no one understands

48:59

what is happening. So forget ideologies.

49:03

They betray, they limit, they lead

49:07

astray. Just deal with the raw data and

49:10

trust yourself.

49:12

Nobody is smarter than you are. And what

49:15

if they are? What good is their

49:17

understanding doing you? People who walk

49:20

around saying, "Well, I don't understand

49:22

quantum physics, but somewhere somebody

49:23

understands it." That's not a very

49:26

helpful attitude toward preserving the

49:29

insights of quantum physics. Inform

49:32

yourself. What does inform yourself

49:34

mean? It means a transcend and mistrust

49:38

ideology.

49:40

Go for direct experience.

49:43

What do you think when you face the

49:46

waterfall? What do you think when you

49:49

have sex? What do you think when you

49:52

take psilocybin? Everything else is

49:54

unconfirmable rumor, useless, probably

49:57

lies. So liberate yourself from the

50:02

illusion of culture. Take responsibility

50:05

for what you think and what you do. And

50:09

then the other political implication

50:12

toward community is

50:15

a lot of people are going to be very

50:17

anxious because change

50:20

raises anxiety in people. And people who

50:24

have limited opportunities to educate

50:27

themselves because of cultural

50:30

culturally inflicted abuse are scared

50:34

because they can sense that everything

50:37

familiar is giving way but they don't

50:41

want to embrace the unimaginable.

50:45

These people need to be reassured. They

50:48

need to be reassured by example and by

50:51

hearing optimistic

50:54

and reasonable rhetoric about the

50:57

future. Selling the future as an eight

51:00

alarm fire which is how the media does

51:03

it uh only makes a sane future

51:07

impossible.

51:08

So we need a responsible

51:11

approach to thinking about the future

51:14

and it means taking personal

51:16

responsibility for your drug taking for

51:20

the ideas the means that you push into

51:23

society and for the images that we share

51:27

among ourselves. You know, one of the

51:28

great truisms of the new age is that

51:31

images can heal. But I've never heard

51:34

anybody discuss the obvious contra

51:37

implication, which is images can make

51:40

you sick and you are constantly

51:44

bombarded with images which disempower,

51:47

divide, confuse and and and make crazy

51:52

basically. So I think the reason

51:55

psychedelics are such political dynamite

51:58

in any culture is because they dissolve

52:00

cultural assumptions. The scales fall

52:03

from people's eyes and they say, "Does

52:06

this make sense? Does my job make sense?

52:10

Does my relationship make sense to my

52:13

significant other, to my government, to

52:16

my children, to my environment? Do these

52:18

relationships make sense?" And of

52:20

course, the answer for most people in

52:23

high-tech society is no. We've been

52:26

compromised. We've been deluded. We've

52:28

been sold a massive pottage. The way out

52:32

then is personal responsibility, new

52:36

operating systems downloaded from

52:38

outside of culture, which means from the

52:41

deeper wisdom of the psychedelic plants.

52:44

And then a commitment to community and a

52:48

motto of to the future without fear.

52:54

Without fear.

52:56

Thank you very much.

53:12

Well, so much for a promise to breed

53:14

brief. Uh, you know, you just wind the

53:17

guy up and point him and, uh, off he

53:20

goes. The robot who preaches freedom,

53:28

questions, challenge, anything, anybody.

53:31

Yeah, you. Well, yeah, it's a tricky

53:35

question because what's being maximized

53:38

as things come together is novelty.

53:41

And so then we have to have a discussion

53:44

about what is novelty. To my mind, an

53:48

explosion

53:49

takes a complicated situation and

53:52

reduces or as mathematicians would say,

53:55

flattens its dimensionality.

53:58

uh uh an art gallery or a beautiful home

54:01

is far more interesting before an

54:04

explosion than after. So I don't see how

54:07

an uh some kind of catastrophe would

54:10

entirely fulfill the bill. On the other

54:13

hand, a partial catastrophe

54:15

of some sort because I believe primates

54:18

are at their best when cornered and we

54:22

don't we aren't cornered yet. I mean we

54:24

talk about how we're cornered. People

54:26

say this is the end of the world. This

54:28

ain't the end of the world. This is the

54:29

long garden party before the end of the

54:32

world with strolling musicians and

54:35

superbly catered food and women in

54:37

diiaous gowns and high toned

54:40

conversation. Wait till you see the end

54:42

of the world. It isn't about deciding to

54:45

come up to Austin to attend the whole

54:47

life expo. Let me tell you. So, uh, uh,

54:52

yes.

54:56

Yes. I should repeat questions.

54:59

Different part of the room. Back here,

55:00

white shirt. You, sir,

55:03

this guy. Yeah.

55:04

>> I lost your language.

55:16

Heat. Heat.

55:30

Heat. Heat.

55:48

Yes. You eloquently represent the

55:51

position that language was invented in

55:54

order to lie,

55:56

right? Well, that's what the second guy

55:59

who got a hold of it, I'm sure, probably

56:01

did with it. Uh

56:05

you're you're right that I have an

56:07

incredible enthusiasm for verbal speech,

56:10

but it's only because it's easy for me

56:12

to do. If if I didn't do this, I'd have

56:15

to find honest work. Um however,

56:19

I have I am aware or yeah, I'm very

56:23

aware of the limitations of language and

56:26

one of the things I've talked about a

56:28

lot is what I call visible language. You

56:32

use the example of telepathy that if we

56:34

were in telepathic communication, how

56:36

could I lie? Because you would perceive

56:38

my my intent. Uh the key to making

56:43

language more true is to make it more

56:48

visual.

56:50

Uh now that can't just take the form of

56:52

a bigger vocabulary and more colorful

56:55

metaphors like people will say when he

56:58

spoke he painted a picture or uh

57:02

listening to him was like watching a

57:05

movie. I think ordinary speech goes

57:08

through a series of stages from

57:10

articulate to eloquent to poetic to

57:16

demagogic.

57:18

And demagogic is where you want to be

57:21

careful uh because then you can turn,

57:24

you know, essentially Hitler turned

57:26

history on its head with speeches. He

57:29

just could really deliver a stem winder.

57:33

Uh I've been fascinated by the fact that

57:37

in the Amazon under the influence of

57:40

Iawasa

57:41

uh people sing songs

57:45

but they see the song they sing and when

57:49

you hear people talking about it

57:51

afterwards people will say after

57:53

listening to a song you know I loved the

57:56

part with the olive drab and the chrome

57:59

but I thought when he got into the

58:01

magenta and yellow stripe thing. It was

58:04

just too much. Well, this is a critique

58:08

of a song. And then when you take Iawasa

58:12

with these people, you discover to your

58:14

amazement that

58:18

is a blue ribbon a foot across that

58:20

descends from floor to ceiling and has a

58:23

yellow center and then

58:26

puts knobs in the ribbon. and you can

58:29

start singing and building, modeling,

58:32

animating in three dimensions with

58:35

sound. Well, I maintain that our

58:38

insistence technologically on pushing

58:41

our media toward ever more immediate

58:44

sensation. So that if we have

58:46

photography, it's black and white, we

58:49

demand color. If it's color, we demand

58:51

motion. If it's motion, we demand sound.

58:54

If it's sound and motion, we want 3D. We

58:57

it's that we trust our eyes and the

59:01

natural

59:03

uh domain of communication is visual for

59:08

human beings. We're like octopi in that

59:10

way. So really language needs to evolve

59:14

toward the visual. And that's why I'm

59:16

very keen for technically dense

59:19

prosthetic environments where every time

59:22

you say the word and a yellow

59:26

three-dimensional triangle appears in

59:28

the air. Every time you say or an orange

59:31

ball appears, a computer is listening to

59:33

what you're saying and giving a

59:35

geometric accompaniment to speech. I

59:38

think that there are forms of telepathy

59:41

that we can evolve through the use of

59:43

drugs and computerass assisted

59:46

technologies that will allow us to see

59:49

each other's dreams. In spite of your

59:52

correct assessment that I'm keen for the

59:54

spoken word, I spent all summer learning

59:58

modeling and three-dimensional animation

60:00

programs from my son

60:03

because I want to animate. I want to

60:06

model. I see things on my trips that I

60:09

have never been able to English, but

60:11

that if I were a fully competent modeler

60:14

and animator, I would just say, "Check

60:18

it out." And I'm going to do that. And

60:22

and I urge you to do that. I mean, it's

60:24

a funny thing to be told, you want to

60:26

spiritually advance, study

60:30

3D animation, but these are the

60:33

frontiers of communication. We have an

60:35

obligation to make our language more

60:38

immediate. It is the most godlike thing

60:40

we do. If you're looking for the

60:42

thumbrint of Almighty God on the

60:44

biological organization of this planet,

60:47

it is human language. It is a miracle. I

60:51

don't give a hoot what the dolphins and

60:52

the honeybees are out there in the woods

60:54

doing. It ain't like Milton. It ain't

60:57

even like Bob Dylan. Uh it ain't even as

61:00

good as this. I'm willing to say. Uh,

61:04

no. Human human communication is what we

61:08

are and it will lead us to be a

61:10

symbiotic species if we if we put the

61:13

pedal to the metal. that for people like

61:16

yourselves who I assume to be no matter

61:18

how you finagled your way in here this

61:20

afternoon part of the upper 3% of the

61:23

ruling elite on this planet there is a

61:26

real obligation to use privilege to uh

61:32

communicate and to make art I think this

61:35

is what if the good life has any purpose

61:38

other than to drink beer and watch TV

61:42

it's to produce art this is how you make

61:44

a payback into the community. And art is

61:47

ambiguous. Your art may say things to

61:50

people other than yourself that it would

61:52

never say to you. But that's how we make

61:55

the community richer. That's how we

61:59

enlarge the dimensions of the human soul

62:02

by by making art.

62:05

Yeah.

62:08

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62:11

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62:13

Stand up and yell.

62:15

[Music]

62:22

[Music]

62:30

Louder.

62:34

You said, "Do you take psilocybin and

62:36

see self transforming machine else?" No.

62:42

[Music]

62:44

Yeah.

62:57

The question is, when you encounter the

63:00

self-t transforming machine elves in

63:02

hyperspace,

63:04

do you think that's a reflection of

63:05

ourselves or do you think it's an alien

63:09

or I mean I'm paraphrasing, but it's

63:11

something like that.

63:19

It's it's tricky because we are not what

63:23

we think we are. Uh

63:28

I I I maybe I didn't spend enough time

63:31

on this alien thing. Uh I referred to

63:35

non-local domains of information. This

63:38

has to do with this idea in quantum

63:40

physics that there is uh something

63:44

called bell non-locality

63:46

that all particles that were ever

63:49

associated

63:51

remain associated in some mysterious way

63:54

no matter how far apart in time and

63:56

space they have drifted. Well, according

63:58

to the big bang, all particles were once

64:01

closely associated. at the at the moment

64:04

of the big bang everything was in a

64:06

space less than the diameter of the

64:09

proton or some piddling distance like

64:12

that. Uh well, so then this was an idea

64:15

that was just thought so outlandish that

64:18

there could be this instantaneous

64:20

dimension of connectivity that it was

64:23

dismissed from quantum physics in favor

64:26

of an acceptance of a somewhat less

64:28

outlandish but equally challenging

64:31

notion which was the Heisenberg

64:32

uncertainty principle and that's how it

64:34

was left for about 40 years and but

64:38

there were thought experiments that

64:40

people talked about that could test for

64:43

this bell non-locality. Well, eventually

64:46

these apparatus were actually built and

64:50

these experiments were performed. And

64:52

what do you know, Joe? Bell non-locality

64:56

can be demonstrated the same way any

64:58

other physical phenomenon can be

65:00

demonstrated given a sufficiently

65:03

prepared laboratory situation. It's

65:05

real. It's not woo woo. It's actually

65:09

scientifically true at the fundamental

65:11

core of physics that all space and all

65:14

time is in some form of simultaneous

65:18

connection. Now, it gets a little dicey

65:21

if you ask questions like, can we use

65:23

this to get and send information? And I

65:27

don't want to go into that because I

65:29

think I already have the answer. No

65:31

matter how good the arguments against

65:33

it, I believe this is what the human

65:36

imagination is.

65:38

that you have two eyes to show you local

65:41

space and then you have an organ called

65:44

the mind which doesn't protrude anywhere

65:47

on the surface of your body except

65:50

occasionally in some cases it will lodge

65:53

on a surrogate but generally the mind is

65:56

invisible

65:57

uh but it gives you non-local data

66:02

that's what the imagination is that's

66:04

non-local data everything in the

66:06

Imagination is real somewhere somewhere

66:12

so far away in space and time that it

66:15

makes absolutely no sense to give it

66:17

another thought ever again. Don't ever

66:21

think that thought again. But know that

66:24

everything in the imagination is real.

66:27

So it's ridiculous to speak of my

66:29

imagination or the human imagining.

66:31

There is just the imagination. But see,

66:34

if all information is there, 99.999%

66:41

of that information is not intended for

66:44

human beings and makes no sense

66:46

whatsoever to us. It's basically static.

66:49

It's either above or below our cognitive

66:52

power to organize and so it is

66:55

meaningless. But 0.00001% 01%

67:00

of this non-local data is enough like

67:04

local data that we can make metaphoric

67:07

bridges to it and say well it was like

67:11

this and it was sort of like this and it

67:14

was a kind of this and it reminded me of

67:17

something else and that's the stuff of

67:20

the imagination and to the degree that

67:23

you can accept alien data without

67:27

freaking out. You can go deeper into the

67:30

imagination. I have a friend who says of

67:32

psilocybin mushrooms, every time I take

67:35

it, my goal is to stand more. And he

67:40

doesn't mean stand more in terms of

67:42

dosage. He means stand more in terms of

67:46

content because it can always raise the

67:49

bar higher than you can jump. I mean,

67:52

I've had dialogues with it where after

67:55

hours of dancing mice and personal

67:57

revelations and kind of a sense of

68:00

familiarity, I've said to it, "Well, but

68:03

what are you really? Show me what you

68:06

are for yourself." Well, my god. The

68:10

temperature in the room begins to fall

68:13

towards zero. Black draperies rise.

68:15

There's an organ tone that shakes the

68:18

earth. And after about 30 seconds, I

68:21

say, "Hey, enough of what you are for

68:25

yourself. Let's go back to the dancing

68:28

mice." And uh the little candies rolling

68:32

in the dark and uh you know, it it knows

68:36

that you have a limited capacity to

68:37

absorb its alieness. That's why we have

68:41

what's called human history. Human

68:43

history is the process of spending more.

68:47

And it's now we've sort of come to the

68:50

short and curly part of the process

68:52

where they're just around the corner. I

68:55

mean, all you have to do is smoke a

68:56

doobie, look out at the evening sky,

69:00

have a dream, talk to a friend, and the

69:02

alien is very very it its trailing aura

69:07

or its leading aura, I guess. It's its

69:09

leading aura has now intersected uh

69:13

human psychology. But cheerful stories

69:16

of space brothers and scary silly

69:19

stories of featal trading high

69:21

technology freaks in lead with the

69:23

government. Hey, it's so much bigger

69:25

than that. It's so big that it has

69:28

disguised itself as an alien invasion to

69:32

keep from really alarming us with what

69:35

it really is.

69:38

How are we doing here? Couple more

69:41

questions. Uh

69:42

>> if you could come to the microphone so

69:43

the tape recorders

69:45

>> a lady. Yes. Would you like to come up

69:47

and uh we'll get you on tape.

69:57

I was just wondering what uh you thought

69:59

about the possibility of um

70:02

as we become more aware of what we're

70:05

doing to the environment and the

70:06

responsibility of those industrialized

70:08

nations that are consuming more than

70:11

their share that uh when we if we could

70:14

get on an equal playing field and those

70:17

uh underdeveloped countries that have a

70:20

great deal of the resources that they're

70:22

using up to basically pay their national

70:25

debts. Uh if they could receive

70:29

technology so that they can be on an

70:32

equal playing field on the internet etc.

70:34

in exchange for our consumption

70:39

that uh it might be an interesting uh

70:42

evolution in terms of

70:44

>> well I I think it's happening in other

70:47

words uh some people have objected that

70:50

the internet and computers are an

70:52

elitist technology in the hands of a

70:55

bunch of white folks. uh to some degree

70:59

that's true. But on the other hand, if

71:01

the automobile had followed the same

71:05

curve of cost benefit that the computer

71:08

has followed in its development, then

71:11

the average automobile today would cost

71:14

uh a buck and a half and it would go a

71:18

100,000 miles on 10 cents worth of gas.

71:22

That's the kind of bang for your buck

71:25

you're getting from the modern PC

71:27

compared to where it was 35 years ago.

71:30

No technology in history has had its

71:33

costs fall so quickly. And there is no

71:37

reason to think that those costs will

71:38

level off. If a good PC today is $1,400,

71:43

there's no reason why in 5 years it

71:45

shouldn't be $140. And there's no reason

71:48

why in 10 years it shouldn't be $14 and

71:51

be worn on your thumbnail. This can all

71:55

uh be done. All all these prices are

71:58

artificially inflated. The other thing

71:59

about the internet is it is going

72:02

wireless.

72:04

Uh and as it goes wireless, it goes

72:07

totally global. If I can just brag for a

72:11

minute and make an example of myself. I

72:13

have a wireless connection to the

72:15

internet. At first, I got a wireless

72:18

connection because I couldn't get any

72:19

other kind cuz I lived way up on a

72:22

volcano. But now, my wireless connection

72:25

is 1 megabyte.

72:28

That's 45 times faster than 288. The

72:32

poor people down on copper, they can't

72:35

do better than 56 because the

72:38

infrastructure already exists and

72:40

therefore limits the bandwidth by going

72:43

outside the infrastructure. This sounds

72:45

like a reprise of my talk. By going

72:48

outside the infrastructure and building

72:51

a loan from ground up, I suddenly find

72:53

myself looking down the gun barrel of a

72:55

T1 connection. And it is heaven itself,

72:58

let me tell you. And the people who sold

73:00

it to me, and there must be dozens of

73:02

other companies, are bent on conquering

73:05

the world, meaning putting everybody who

73:08

wants to be online for pennies in the

73:11

next five to six years. And you know if

73:14

you live in Manhattan or even Austin,

73:17

what is the internet? It's another

73:19

diversion. It's another piece of

73:21

entertainment. It But what is it like in

73:24

Somalia, in seells, in Bangalore? What

73:28

kind of impact does it have there? It it

73:31

it is you talk about a culture

73:33

dissolving effect based on psychedelics.

73:36

How about a culture dissolving effect

73:38

based on access uh to the internet? And

73:42

people say, "Well, Western values will

73:44

swamp all others." Uh, certainly to some

73:48

degree that is true, but did that just

73:50

begin yesterday?

73:52

Isn't that what the bloody business has

73:55

been about for 500 miserable years ever

73:58

since the barbarian Cortez arrived in

74:00

Mexico? I think so. Well, don't get me

74:04

off on that.

74:06

Uh, uh, one last question. Who's just

74:09

burning?

74:11

Anybody burning? There's somebody

74:13

burning.

74:19

So, where do you think we're going to be

74:21

on December 22nd, 2012?

74:25

All together.

74:27

All together.

74:33

It's a nice answer.

74:35

Here's another one.

74:38

Why have only one answer?

74:41

Uh, it's too early to tell. In other

74:44

words, asking that question in 1997 is

74:48

like asking a man looking east at 1:00

74:51

a.m. what he thinks the sunrise will be

74:54

like. It's just too early. The sun lies

74:59

over the event horizon of the planet. In

75:02

other words, we can't see around the

75:04

corner yet. In terms of our cultural

75:07

analogous cultural development, right

75:10

now we've reached approximately the year

75:12

1,000 AD. And between now and 2012

75:17

at an incredibly accelerated rate, we

75:20

have to do a number of things. Discover

75:24

the new world, invent the calculus, have

75:27

the Renaissance, then have the

75:29

Reformation, then have the industrial

75:32

reformation, then have the 20th century.

75:35

All that has to be squeezed into the

75:37

next 14 years. Uh the real outlines of

75:41

what is tearing toward us will probably

75:44

be uh the province of squirrels and

75:48

visionaries like myself until around

75:51

2004 and five. And by that time

75:56

it will be clear to everyone what is on

75:58

the end of every fork as William

76:01

Burroughs once said. In other words, it

76:04

it It will be clear that history has

76:07

been cancelled. It will be clear that

76:09

there is no human future except through

76:12

hyperspaceial breakthrough. We will all

76:14

be walking around on an internet that is

76:17

90% VRMLbased and hence

76:20

three-dimensional and interactive. And

76:24

uh nanotechnology will beginning be

76:27

beginning to deliver its goods to

76:29

society. new forms of propulsion system

76:32

are going to move the outer planets to

76:34

within a few weeks travel so forth and

76:37

so on. Uh so uh we cannot at this moment

76:42

know the true nature of the escaton

76:46

because at this moment if we knew the

76:48

true nature of the escaton it would

76:50

shatter our cultural assumptions and our

76:53

individual understanding completely. We

76:56

have a lot of heavy lifting to do.

76:58

There's a lot of self-education,

77:01

hard tripping, and heroic dosing that

77:03

needs to be done before we can meet the

77:07

escaton on a level playing field. Be

77:10

there or be square. Thank you.

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The speaker discusses several key themes: the nature of imagination as non-local data, the evolution of communication technologies and their connection to psychedelic culture, and the concept of novelty theory leading to a singularity. They propose that culture functions as an operating system that can be upgraded, with psychedelics and shamanism offering pathways to such upgrades. The speaker also touches upon the limitations of language and the move towards more visual and immediate forms of communication, including the internet as a tool for global connection and the potential for encountering an 'alien' intelligence through information networks and altered states of consciousness. Finally, they address the acceleration of change, the importance of individual experience over cultural dogma, and the need for a responsible approach to the future, encouraging personal responsibility and community building.

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