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>> We up. We rolling. Thanks for the heads

up so I'm not tripping later going,

"Hey, dude.

>> Good to see you, man."

>> Yeah, good to see you, too.

>> What's cracking? You got a diamond in

your tooth? Is that what's going on?

>> Yeah.

>> Nice. Nice.

>> That's fun. My friend Cam just got a

gold tooth and I was giving him a hard

time and then I was like, "Damn, I think

I want one."

>> Yeah, you got to get one, dude.

>> I'm thinking of getting a gold tooth. I

have a cap on one of my I had a root

canal. I've got a cap out of one of

them. I think I'm going to swap it out

for a gold tooth.

>> Do it. Do it. [ __ ] yeah.

>> I got one back here somewhere.

>> It's just that little like I don't know

that little pirate thing starts to

happen.

>> I know. It's just a little little

outcasty.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, what's cracking,

brother? How you doing?

>> I'm I'm good, man. I'm uh I'm stoked to

be here to see you.

>> Stoked to have you here.

>> Yeah, man. I [ __ ] I wish I was staying

longer now. Um but uh we'll make the

best of

>> How long are you staying? How long are

you in town for?

>> I'm I'm leaving after

>> right after this.

>> After you. Yeah.

>> Where you headed?

>> Back home, LA. Um my son is getting

married.

>> Oh, congratulations.

>> Thanks. Thanks. which is such a trip,

dude. You know, like he's 29 and um he's

getting married and I'm just I've been

kind of tripping out on that. Like,

dude, where the [ __ ] did that time a go?

>> Right.

>> And like I'm so [ __ ] happy for him

that

he's been seeing this girl for seven

years. I'm so proud that he did exactly

the opposite of his dad.

>> You know what I mean? Like he he he

knows and they're they've been

>> basically they've been married, you

know?

>> So they're just making it official now.

>> And I'm just so happy for him. I'm like

I'm I tell them all the time like so

happy for you, dude. like you you know

you you you use some patience and some

love and like mix it all around and put

some time in there and you know shit's

like your your survival rate is going to

be way better way better and that makes

me really happy

>> and your happiness rate I think if

you're a kid and your dad is Tommy Lee

and you you've had such a [ __ ] crazy

chaotic life he's probably like slow

down give me a [ __ ] yard and a picket

fence and whoa

Totally. Totally. That's why like in,

you know, in, you know, in the drift of

everything, I'm really surprised and I'm

really happy he just like

>> pumped the brakes, you know, just like

make sure that what he's doing is

>> the real [ __ ]

>> Yeah. I mean, especially in LA with a

rockstar dad, it's like there's so many

bad influences. There's so many ways you

could go where you could just ruin your

[ __ ] life. It's so easy to ruin your

life if you're in the wrong circles,

>> dude. so easy,

>> right?

>> Cuz everybody else is doing it, too.

You're like, "Hey, I guess we're doing

meth."

>> I know. [ __ ]

>> I'm [ __ ] just I I mean, I know people

that are good people that have fallen

down that rabbit hole and they're not

bad people. They're not even stupid,

man. They just made a bad decision for

whatever reason and then next thing you

know, they're all strung out. And it's

like LA is the hub of that. Yeah.

There's so much of that going on in LA.

>> Yeah. And if you are have any sort of

that sort of [ __ ] magnet attached to you

>> like you know the shady friends and the

most circles you just kind of

>> and all of a sudden

>> you're just [ __ ]

>> I mean I don't live in the rock and roll

world but I think that's probably the

most attractive to like crazy people

like that world. That is the world where

if you're a [ __ ] cook, like you

gravitate towards that world, you know?

>> It's probably so hard to find like sane

balanced people that are

>> Yeah.

>> You know?

>> Yeah.

>> They have their [ __ ] together. It's like

it's almost impossible. So like you're

just comparing yourself to the other

chaotic people you're around and

>> you're the [ __ ] drummer in MLY Crew.

I mean, how are you supposed to be

normal? What the [ __ ] are you talking

about? What kind of life is that? That's

such a bizarre life. It's the craziest

life of all time. You're [ __ ]

slamming the drums on stage in front of

literally a sea of human beings singing

along to your music. That's nobody can

understand that.

>> I know, man. Yeah, they've And yeah,

they've seen it all. They've seen it

all. Like I put him to work out on tour,

you know, just so you know, we could

hang out and spend time. You're like,

you know, get him a a radio. All of a

sudden, they're part, one of my sons is

part of the lighting crew helping those

guys. My other son is like, all he's all

he wants to know about is like, "Dad, I

want to be in charge of all the after

show passes. I'll go out while you're

playing and I'm going to hit all the

chicks."

And like my son is out there just just

stack of passes. Come on back

afterwards. Come on back. you know, and

then watching him like have just just

running it, right? It's just like

brings a tear to my eye, man.

>> That's cool. That's very cool. When you

look back, like how much of a dream does

it feel? I mean, it's got to feel very

bizarre that you, you know, every young

guy who plays music wants to be in a

gigantic band. They all want to be rock

stars. And when it actually happens for

you and then you're looking back on it,

like how [ __ ] surreal does it all

feel?

>> It's Dude, I pinch myself still daily,

literally. And I'm

I'm just [ __ ] I don't know, man. I'm

just lucky to be here. I'm I'm lucky I

get to do this. I always say to people

like there's there's a couple of things

that are involved with that whole thing.

There's

some luck, some talent,

some timing of things. And when those

things kind of all line up, um, and it

happens for you, it just happens at

[ __ ] supersonic speeds where

>> like a lot of it's a [ __ ] blur. Like

a ton of it's a blur where you have to

have somebody else like remind you.

You're like, "Oh [ __ ] that's right. I

totally forgot we did that." You know,

like about crazy times.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. It's a trip, dude. I I I spend a

lot of time like

hanging on,

>> right?

>> [ __ ] Here we go.

>> Did you get a chance like when you were

coming up to talk to any other rock

stars? Did anybody give you advice on

how to handle things like what it's how

weird it's going to be?

>> No. I'm trying to think of any sort of a

mentor kind of dude on like how to

survive the [ __ ]

>> Like pull Keith Richards aside and say,

"Hey man, how about a few tips?

>> How'd you do this? He's still here,

>> bro. I saw them at Kota at the Circuit

of the Americas a couple years back."

>> They were [ __ ] incredible, man.

Incredible.

>> Insane.

>> They're like, "What is How old is Keith,

>> dude?"

>> Are they like 80? He's got to be.

>> Mick is like 80, bro. Mick is moving

around and dancing and singing.

>> Insane.

>> Insane,

>> dude. And I'll let me tell you a fun

quick little story here. Molly Crew gets

to open up for the Rolling Stones. This

was on Halloween. I forget what [ __ ]

year. Um, we're at some stadium and I

think it was Toronto. We got to open for

them and we were so [ __ ] pumped.

We're like, "Dude, are you kidding me?

we get the [ __ ] do this. Um, anyway,

we play we play our show back in the in

dressing room after we're done. The

Stones tour manager comes into the

dressing room and goes, "Tommy."

I was like, "Yeah." He goes, he goes,

"Mick, Bronny, Keith would like to see

you." And I was like,

Brad, I [ __ ] head over there and

dude, this is

20 minutes before they're to go on. I go

into their their world and they got they

bring a bartender around with them. So,

there's a guy set up just slinging

[ __ ] drinks. Mi uh Mick isn't

hammered, but [ __ ] Keith and Ronnie,

dude. They were [ __ ] walking on their

lips. I'm talking shitty like [ __ ]

right just falling over with their

guitars

>> 20 minutes before they go on stage.

>> I'm like, how are these guys going to

[ __ ] There's no way they're playing.

I'm sorry. There's no way. No [ __ ]

way. And all of a sudden, we took a

couple of photos and it was like, "Let's

go to the stage." And I'm like, "Oh, I

got to see this. I'm walking with them."

Right? They get up there, [ __ ] lights

go out. Boom. They [ __ ] I think they

started with Start Me Up

and got them. And it was like a switch

flipped. All of a sudden, those guys

were [ __ ] money. Like 100% [ __ ]

rocking out. I was like, "How did they

just go? They've been doing it for so

long that they just they're masters of

the controls. They're like, "Yeah, okay,

>> I guess we can get this amount of [ __ ]

up and then we can go." Like, it's okay.

>> I think some guys just That was a crazy

level. Like,

>> I wish I saw that.

>> You could barely talk and then they went

up there and [ __ ] ripped it.

>> I wish I saw that.

>> Some guys just want to be [ __ ] up to

just feel the experience. just to just

ride it like a wild bull, you know,

>> just wherever you land.

>> That's where some guys like to do it. I

mean, and rock, I don't have to tell

you, rock and roll music is the heart of

that. That's where it really goes down

where a lot of guys like to get [ __ ]

up before they play. You know, you want

to see something [ __ ] inspirational.

I'm going to show you something crazy.

>> Always.

>> This is uh Have you seen Jamie? Have you

seen uh Rick Springfield lately? I I did

just see him and I I was like, "Whoa,

>> I'm going to send you a video and it's

going to blow you away. This is

literally bananas." This is Rick

Springfield. He's not [ __ ] like 76

years old. Okay. 76

>> 76

>> 76 and he's singing Jesse's Girl like he

just wrote it.

>> Is it this video right here?

>> And he's [ __ ]

>> Yeah. Play start for Put the headphones

on,

>> bro.

>> Put the headphones on and back this up

from the beginning.

>> Whoa. Oh, he's

>> Well, I just sent it to you on uh

Instagram.

>> He's ripped.

>> I just can't get the the

>> Click on the other link then. The one

that I send you on Instagram

>> because you can't First of all, he looks

[ __ ] incredible. Like he's working

out every day or something. I mean, I

don't even understand it. He looks like

a 30-year-old guy.

>> Yeah.

>> And he's singing this song like he just

wrote it,

>> bro. 76.

I feel so dirty when they start talking.

>> Yeah, dude.

>> That's crazy. [ __ ]

Amazing, man.

>> Amazing.

>> That That's [ __ ] inspirational. Like

>> inspirational, bro. 76 years old. And

the passion and enthusiasm is what kills

me. This is not a guy who's like just

going out there and going through the

motions. He's singing that song like he

just wrote it.

>> Yeah, totally.

>> [ __ ] yeah, Rick Springfield.

>> Yeah, good job, bro.

>> Yeah, that's amazing. I I've been

sending that to everybody. I'm like,

[ __ ] yeah.

>> That is I saw that I saw that clip and I

was like, whoa. A lot of people in their

76 are basically waiting to die.

>> This dude's on stage with no shirt on

[ __ ] crushing life,

>> dude. I love it. I love it. That's gonna

That's gonna be me still 10 years old

rocking [ __ ]

>> Well, I remember in the 80s there were

no old rock stars. Like no one was out

there touring that was an old rock star.

>> You're right. You're right.

>> And then the Stones released a new

album. I think it was like 88 or 89 and

everybody was like, "Wow, they're going

to tour again." It was almost like,

"Aren't they done with this? Like

they're older now."

>> Yeah.

>> And then it started being a thing where

a bunch of older guys would like go out

on tour that hadn't been on tour in a

while. And

>> now it's no and people are like, "Why

are we retiring? Like why why would I

stop doing the most amazing thing that a

human being ever gets to do?"

>> Yeah. That you love to do.

>> No, let me stop doing that. It was like

a thing with hip-hop, hip-hop artists,

too. They would get to an older age and

people just didn't appreciate them

anymore. It's like it was like a young

guy's game. But now a lot of those older

guys are going on tour too and people

realize like, "Oh, these guys are

[ __ ] dope." Like I saw Run DMC went

on or excuse me um uh Public Enemy went

on with uh I think it was

>> I think it was Bruce Springsteen. I

think Bruce Springsteen had them go up

in one of his concerts. I'm like, "Fuck

yeah. Look at these dudes. They're

killing it. They're still getting after

it. That's the best, man. You got to

love that. And I think that resur I

don't know if you call it a resurgence

or just that that style of like there's

certain things that were that were

really great that have, you know, stood

the test of time. And I and I really

think that

ju the way [ __ ] is now, man, there is

too [ __ ] much. Like there's too much

music. Like Spotify releases like 300

[ __ ] thousand songs a day.

>> Really?

>> Who the [ __ ] is listening to all this

music? Dude, I'm in the business. And if

I can't keep up, how can a fan of music

keep up? So, I just I think that the the

the

excess of it it's just static and it's

really blown a hole through for, you

know, uh original stuff, you know, um

really good stuff because a lot of the

stuff is all kind of sounding the same

now. And but I just I think that it's

that it's been a a a cool progression

that's that's sort of fueled that. I

don't know if I'm making sense. I'm kind

of getting

>> No, you're making sense.

>> You know what I'm trying to say? Like

there's so much static now that

>> um the the the the sort of the

>> something has to be undeniable to break

through.

>> The authentic stuff still [ __ ] holds

water big time. And you know,

>> well, there's always like one song that

all of a sudden resonates and just goes

super viral because people listen to it

and go, "Holy shit."

>> Yeah. There's always going to be

something that's exceptional. But I do

agree. It's impossible. There's a lot of

great music that I don't know anything

about and then someone turns me on to it

and I'm like, "How the [ __ ] did I not

know this guy?"

>> Yeah. Yeah. And had your friend not

turned you on to that, you would you'd

never [ __ ] know.

>> Well, there's no real radio anymore. No.

>> Right. So, how do you find out? When I

was a kid, when I was in high school,

like if a new Mly Crew song came out, it

was on the [ __ ] radio and then you

knew. All right, the new album's out.

Let's go get the new album. And that was

with every major band. It was like, then

you got MTV. MTV came along. Oh, the

music video's out. The album's out.

>> But now it's like anyone can just put

stuff up, you know, which is great.

>> Yeah. Which

>> But it's also

>> it's look, it's it's all overall

positive because you have more artists

and more people that are doing what they

want to do. More people that are making

music, which is awesome.

>> But like it's the same thing with

movies. Can I imagine you had to watch

every movie ever made? You You'd have to

be a million years old.

>> You'd never finish.

>> Exactly.

>> There's not enough hours in the day.

>> Yeah. It's the same It's the same

musically

what's happening musically that's

happening with everything entertainment,

films, te television shows. There's

>> an abundance of like it's just too much.

How do how do people I mean people got

these you know uh you know

you know TV packages where they've got

subscriptions 4,000 different places and

you still can't find anything to watch.

You're like what the what the [ __ ] is

happening here everybody? We got to like

peel it back a little bit. Make it a

little easier here.

>> Well, there's so many options.

>> It's almost like dating apps, right?

Like if someone if some chick is chewing

her food with her mouth open up being

like swipe like who's next. Yeah. Like

people get they don't get a chance to

know anybody. And I think that's also

the same thing with movies and TV shows.

Cuz if you're watching Netflix, if you

get bored for 3 seconds, you're like,

"Fuck this movie. What else is on? Bip,

you know, okay, try this one." And you

watch that for 10 minutes, not [ __ ]

this. I would like to see their numbers

of like how long people actually watch a

show or a movie on Netflix before they

shut it off. I bet it's way different

than in the past. I bet in the old days

most people watch the movie to the end.

>> Sure.

>> I bet now it's like 20%.

>> Oh, dude. If that

>> I'll bet. Yeah. Um I'm just going to say

a little bit more

>> if that. Yeah. Everybody It's short

attention span life right now. It's very

very bad for you. Yeah, sometimes you

got to just take something in

>> and and that and that affects the people

who create the stuff because you you

realize

>> I'm dealing with a bunch of [ __ ]

six-year-olds here and if if my [ __ ]

isn't banging within the first whether

it's a movie or a song or whatever it

is, whatever your

>> art is,

>> if it's not [ __ ] ripping your face

off and grabbing your attention within

three or four seconds, you're you're

Next, next.

>> Exactly.

>> Next. When that's just the world we're

in. So that then that affects people who

make the the stuff because they they

really got to put the best [ __ ] up front

quick or else you're going to lose

everybody

>> 100%.

>> And that's that sucks.

>> Yeah.

>> They don't have to give into that.

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>> Well, think about some of the songs from

the past that would never pass muster

today that are just amazing classics

like Whole Lot of Love. So, A Whole Lot

of Love. You have a minute and a half

[ __ ] sounds with symbols before it comes

back to this insane guitar solo. Yeah.

Right.

>> Yeah. You're right. like you

>> it's like the most bizarre song ever.

>> Yeah. Kind of drum soloy kind of

>> Yeah.

>> off. I And classically Freeird when

Leonard Skinnard released Freeird,

they're like, "No, no, no. This song

takes way too long to get going. It's so

long. It's like a seven minute song. You

got to This is never going to fly." I

meanwhile is one of the greatest anthems

in the history of the world and perhaps

the greatest guitar solo in the history

of the [ __ ] human race.

>> Right. Right.

>> You know, Freeird when that dude gets

going and you see it live and

everybody's

>> the whole [ __ ] place is going off.

>> One of the greatest guitar solos in the

history of the [ __ ] human race. And

their record company was like, "It's too

long."

>> Yeah.

>> People don't have any attention span for

this guys.

>> God, even back then, people were [ __ ]

hating. Well, it's always the people

that are the money people because all

they give a [ __ ] about is money and

you're in the creative side of it and

the money people are just pimping out

the creative side of it and they're just

trying to get you to suck as many dicks

as they can because they want to buy a

Rolls-Royce. So, like come on, suck that

dick. Let's go. And they don't give a

[ __ ] about you or your reputation

because then they got [ __ ] Nickelback

over here and this guy over there and

there's always a new band they can push

and pimp. Yeah.

>> And so they just want to make the

maximum amount of money possible. So

they have always have shitty advice cuz

they advice their advice is based on

making money.

>> Yeah. Yeah. And for that and for that

reason

>> um when we were on uh Electro Records

they were never allowed in the studio.

No one from the label was ever about. We

allowed them once and he came in and

started making like

>> making changes or suggesting edits and

stuff. We're like

>> out

out.

>> Yeah.

>> You'll get it when it's done here.

>> Oh god. So gross.

>> Yeah, dude.

>> And here here's some guy making those

kind of calls who has no not a musician.

Has no idea about what key the [ __ ]

song's in. All he knows is it's too

long. Yeah.

>> And we got to get to it quicker.

>> Well, it's these people that have ego

for no real reason. They're just kind of

they're just involved with other great

creative people and that's what they

sell. That's their business is to sell

stuff that's awesome. And somehow or

another they think it makes them

awesome.

>> Yeah.

>> It's very weird. Like you know Zack

Bryan, he's got a great song called uh

Dam I think it's Damn Cold Vampires or

Cold Damn Vampires. It's a great [ __ ]

song about

>> It's a [ __ ] tongue twister.

>> It's a great [ __ ] song. It's about

the music industry and it's about these

vampires that are just just sucking

blood out of these artists and was a

great song the great line of the song

trying to make make an empire of the

things that you create.

>> They're making an empire from other

people's work. That's what they're

doing. But they somehow or another think

that they're responsible and that they

have an insight and they're I'm good at

my job, Tommy Lee. And let me tell you

something, kid. I know music. And that

drum solo 14 seconds too long.

>> I'm going to tell you why. I'm going to

show you these statistics. So this is

what we've got a guy. We got the best

guy. The best statistics guy. He knows

when people are t and when they get to

this [ __ ] part of the drum solo, they

tune out. Tommy,

>> we got to stop them from tuning out.

>> Totally. because I want to get a Konis

egg. I want to get one of them [ __ ]

$2 million cars. You know, these [ __ ]

they're just they're they exist in every

every walk of life where one person is

like, you know, a creative type that's

not businessoriented. And you need a

business person. Yes.

>> So, the business people come in cuz

they're someone's got to sell it. You're

not going to [ __ ] sell it. What are

you going to do? You got to make your

own record company. You got to hire your

own executives and to do your own

promotion. Get the [ __ ] out of here. You

can't. So they come along and they get

involved and they [ __ ] it all up.

>> Yeah.

>> And how many guys have listened to them

and ruined their careers because they

listen to him?

>> Oh man.

>> Do you know the Billy Squire story?

>> So Billy remind me cuz I think I

>> Billy Squire was the [ __ ] when I was in

high school. He had that song Lonely as

the Night. Oh my god.

>> I I love Billy Squire

>> dude. The stroke. He was fantastic. And

he did one music video where it was like

very effeminite. It was like really

weird.

>> Oh, was it when it was he was in his

pajamas or something?

>> It was really weird. And everybody was

like, "Nope."

>> Yeah. What is he doing?

>> Yeah, it was really weird. And to this

day, I don't know if that was his idea

or somebody else's idea. They just took

a wild chance. I don't know. I pray to

God it was his idea because at least

like he's creative. He made a creative

decision. didn't work out, whatever.

>> Yeah, fine.

>> But if someone tanked his career because

they wanted him to act feminine in in a

song, it was like very the reaction was

crazy because this guy was like a sex

symbol. He was like, you know, shirt

down to his, you know, open up down to

his pants and [ __ ] he was a bad

[ __ ] on stage. Sing his ass off.

HE'S A STAR. One music video tanked him.

I think it was my kind of lover. I think

that was the song where

>> See if you can find what the the video

was. This is it.

>> There's a documentary someone made on uh

Facebook I found it

>> about this whole thing. Yeah.

>> So like this this is it.

>> Yeah. So it's it was very weird. Like

>> what song is it? Can you hear?

>> Uh well yeah we're going to have to cut

it up though.

>> So it was somebody else's idea. Is that

that guy with the face? That guy with

the faces looks like the guy looks like

the kind of guy that would tell you give

you [ __ ] Yeah, he's crawling around on

his knees and his hands is at his knees.

>> It was weird. It was very weird.

>> [ __ ] What song was this?

>> Like just

>> you know like if he was like look at

this. Look at him skipping around and it

was very odd. That guy that seems like

the type of guy that would give you the

bad advice.

>> Something me tonight.

>> What's the name of the song?

>> I want to

>> [ __ ]

>> I don't know. I'll look up. familiar

with that title.

>> Yeah, I don't know either.

>> But I know. Yeah, I get it. I remember

that.

>> And everybody's like, "Nope."

>> Yeah,

>> that's a rap. And that guy should have

had like [ __ ] 50 giant albums. That

guy was amazing.

>> Yeah.

>> Such a incredible singer, man.

>> So, Rock Me Tonight, 1984.

>> Have to cut that out.

>> Yeah, we'll cut that part out. But you

can see him dancing around like Look at

this. Yeah.

>> Don't do that, buddy. What is this? He's

like,

>> "Yeah, what?

>> Don't do that."

>> Yeah. We need you on the ground swarming

around. Hopefully

>> I hopefully it was his idea.

>> Yeah. And he just

>> My god, if this was somebody else's

idea, like I want you to be looser. I

want you to be looser. I want you to be

more more free.

>> I want you I want you to be like I want

to feel it. I want to feel I want to

feel your vulnerable side. I want you on

your hands and knees. I want you

crawling. This is what I want you to I

want you like this. Like you barely can

crawl. Like you're having a hard time

crawling. That's what girls like. Girls

like a guy who struggles to crawl.

>> Yes, dude.

>> Oh, what the [ __ ] did you do to him?

>> Oh my god.

>> WHAT DID YOU DO TO HIM?

>> I KNOW. I hope it was his idea. Despite

its major success, the song is sometimes

associated with the end of his career as

a singles musician due to the music

video, which is described as one of the

worst ever in a 2011 book I Want My MTV:

The Uncensored Story of the Music Video

Revolution.

>> Wow.

>> Shows Squire dancing around in a bed

with pastel colored satin sheets and

wearing a pink tank top. Squire's

concert ticket sales immediately

declined and he later fired his

managers. He has accused Ortega of

deceiving him and altering his original

concept, which Ortega denies. While

Squire remains steadfast that the video

was solely responsible for the initial

decline of his popularity, other

commentators are less certain. Well, I'm

pretty certain. I remember it. I

remember it. I remember kids in high

school going, "What the [ __ ] bro?

>> What the [ __ ] is Billy Squire doing,

bro? That shit's gay, bro."

>> Cuz Billy Squire was the man. I mean,

>> he could have been another John Melon

camp. He could have been He could have

gone on forever

>> for sure.

>> Like what the [ __ ] dude? 84 one song,

one music video.

>> Insane. That is really crazy if you

think about it.

>> Yeah.

>> It's nuts.

>> Well, that's the craziest thing about

you think about like the success of Mly

Crew and of bands like from your era.

The fact that you guys endured for so

long. Like still to this day, bro, if

I'm working out in the gym and kickstart

my heart comes on, I swear to God I get

stronger.

[ __ ] YOU. LIKE YOU GET PUMPED, MAN.

That's that be that song's a drug. Yeah,

that one, man. I can't tell you how fun

how how um rewarding that is to like sit

back and like I don't know, the Super

Bowl's on and the [ __ ] KICKOFF YOU

DUDE, WE GOT TO CUT IT OUT, but I want

to hear it. Throw Kickstart my heart on.

We'll cut it. We have to cut it out for

YouTube. Otherwise, we'll get docked

with

>> the [ __ ] money people come involved.

Meanwhile, we're just promoting music.

Godamn it. With Tommy Lee, you

[ __ ]

>> Yeah, right.

>> But this [ __ ] this [ __ ] song. Oh,

is this live? Don't give me a live one.

Give me the actual one. Bro, that was

one of the most American songs that's

ever been made. Ever. Ever.

That song is fuel. You know that that

song is [ __ ] fuel. If you were

running in a race and you're thinking

about quitting and that song comes on

your headphones, you're like, "Let's

[ __ ] go. LET'S [ __ ] GO."

>> YOU KNOW, like songs like that, they

really do give you energy. They're they

really are like a drug.

>> Yeah, they're they're definitely uh

they're injected.

>> Yeah. Like changes your state, you know?

>> I love that one. Isn't that [ __ ]

wild? the power that music has. Like the

Reich kind of song, you know,

everybody's different, but there's

nothing better than like it [ __ ] like

I get [ __ ] goosebumps, bro. If

something comes along that just and it

it gets inside you. Yeah.

>> It's [ __ ] infectious. And all of a

sudden you're like, dude, it's taking

over my whole body. I'm [ __ ] tingling

my hair standing up

>> and you're like, what is that?

>> Yeah.

>> What the [ __ ] is that? Like I I want to

[ __ ] bottle that up and try to

recreate whatever that is.

>> Yeah. It's a it's just an encapsulation

of emotion with sound frequencies that

just changes your physical state. It

does something to you that's like it's

one of the most amazing creations that

human beings

>> have have ever done. One of the one of

the most amazing accomplishments that

human beings have ever done is that just

make incredible music

>> because it's one of the things that it

affects us in a way that like like

nothing else and you can hear them over

and over and over and over again. Like a

great joke is awesome the first time,

>> but after you hear it the second time it

loses a little of its power. The third

time it gets a little boring.

>> A a great song I could listen to that I

sometimes when I'm working out I just

put something on repeat. I'm like, "Oh,

I just want to hear this song, one song

over and over and over again. Wear that

[ __ ] out, but I don't care. It's so

good. I don't give a [ __ ] I I just want

to feel let's [ __ ] go." And every

time it comes back on, [ __ ] yeah. And

we're back. You know, it's like it's it

changes the frequency of your actual

soul. Like your body gets moved by it.

You feel different.

>> You I want to ask you a question because

you're into all this [ __ ] crazy [ __ ]

Um,

I saw somewhere recently, and this just

goes along with that feeling, euphoric

feeling you get when the the right notes

or frequencies

uh hit you. Um I saw that through sound

certain frequencies like some dude in

China, some doctor in China or is it

Japan has is this close to healing

[ __ ] cancer through through sound

through frequency?

>> Really?

>> Have you No, I haven't seen that seen

any of this.

>> I haven't seen it, but I wouldn't be

surprised. I I wouldn't either because

uh you know it it just fascinates me

because there is those frequencies out

there that you know about them 432 432

hertz you heard about that stuff.

um

>> explain to people. So,

>> well, it's just um

there there's some weird uh what do you

call it? Conspiracy theories about

originally our music like Bach Beethoven

back in those days was tuned to 432

hertz

and and this is the conspiracy [ __ ]

part about it at some point and People

say Hitler changed the the the tuning,

the pitch of music and now everything

was raised to 440 instead of, you know,

uh

>> 432.

>> Instead of 432,

now it's at 440. It's it's up and it's

and the frequency is more aggressive.

And it was it said that it was done to

give the soldiers more [ __ ] you

know, angst and crank this music.

>> Well, they were also given a meth.

>> Excuse me.

>> They were also given the meth between

meth and kickstart my heart.

>> [ __ ] so.

>> If the Nazis had kickstart my heart

would have been a real problem,

>> dude. No. No.

>> Kickstart my heart in German.

>> Yeah.

>> Oh my lord.

>> Yeah, that would have been a real

problem.

>> Yeah. I just I'm just curious because I

know that you're into that kind of

stuff. um if the any sound uh therapy or

healing through through frequencies uh

if you've heard any of that stuff.

>> Well, I know people do sound baths where

you know they'll do these meditation

experiments where they lie on their back

and they have someone like that that's

making sounds and

>> there's something to it. But just think

about like what we were saying with

Kickstart My Heart like when you you

hear a great song it changes the way you

feel. It changes your feeling. It gives

you more energy. It really does. So

obviously sound has a profound effect on

the human body and it's not just like

you inter there's a lot of aspects to a

great song right it's the sound it's

also the messaging that's in the lyrics

it's like there's a lot of go there's a

lot going on the the voice of the singer

you know the the visuals of everybody

[ __ ] rocking out on stage

>> sure

>> that also contributes to it but the

actual sound itself is affecting your

body in a very profound way and I

wouldn't be surprised that there's ways

that sound could provide like

therapeutic

therapeutic uh benefits to like people

that are injured, that are healing,

sickness. I'm sure. I mean, if you were

lying in a hospital bed and you felt

like [ __ ] because you just had surgery,

but you're listening to some dope music,

wouldn't that be better than just

listening to people moan in the next

room like,

>> "Fuck, get me out of here."

>> Yeah. You're inputting something

nice.

>> Should be a part of your recovery.

>> Yeah, for sure. getting positive vibes

in, getting like things that give you

good feeling and good energy.

>> I do that all the time, man. I'll sit at

home if you know when you're in the mood

to not really listen to music, but hear

music where it's just playing in the

background. And I I'll I'll just put

there's these YouTube videos of um these

beautiful

Japanese gardens in Kyoto or whatever.

And there's like high deaf shots of

these just beautiful, you know, bonsai

trees, koi ponds, uh, big naki bonsai,

like and it's just so chill. And with

that music and I just I just put it on

and it's kind of on a lot actually. And

I find myself that's where I go to like

>> just like I don't know.

>> Yeah. It puts you in a different state.

>> Puts me in a different space, you know?

I I dig it, man. You got really into

bonsai.

>> Yeah, dude.

>> How did that start?

>> All the all the times that we've gone to

Japan, I every sing every time I went

there, I always went to the to the

Japanese gardens of the temples and I

would just I'd walk around and just be

like my jaw on the floor like I've never

seen anything this [ __ ] peaceful and

beautiful and just like I don't know.

was just came over this feeling every

time I went I came over me and I just I

started studying it. This is like eight

years ago. I was like I I I need this in

my life somehow. I don't know what this

is but let me go down you know down the

down the tube here and figure out what

that what that is and how I can get this

some of this into my life. And I found

some [ __ ] videos on doing bonsai work

on trees. And I I started and I haven't

stopped. And it's been hands down the

coolest [ __ ] thing I've ever gotten

into, man. Like I'll be out there for

hours every day. Like I'll start my day

just being with nature and being with

the trees that I'm working on. And I got

like a workshop, dude. It's like a

there's like in progress uh works on the

bench. There's other ones on bending. Uh

there's ones that um you know uh uh

treating for pests, you know. Um there's

it's a whole world and wiring

everything, training it to where you

want to go, pruning. It's just it it

lets me escape everything for a couple

of hours. I I just I just I don't know,

man. I just I check out.

>> How many years you've been doing this

now?

>> I've been probably eight years now I've

been doing it. Eight years.

>> And so is a bonsai tree a regular tree

that would grow big if you didn't [ __ ]

with it?

>> Yes. Yes.

>> Okay. And then you can get it to this

incredible beautiful artistic shape

years. Small.

>> Yes. It's you're you're basically you

keep kind of dwarfing it and the and

everybody gets this confused. Um, and

they just think uh bonsai is like that's

the the tree. Bonsai means tree and pot.

That's what that that means actually. It

doesn't mean the actual bonsai tree. It

means tree and pot. And

>> how long is the study of bonsai? How

long is the practice been around?

>> Dude, I [ __ ] I have no idea. And you and

you find that other parts of the world

now that you get into it. I mean there's

in Taiwan and China there are some

[ __ ] insane Bonsai and I think it

actually originated in China and the

Japanese took it and altered it in ways

and did it their sort of their version

but I think it originated in China if

I'm not mistaken.

>> Something like that. Yeah. Uh 6th

century China and then they brought it.

>> [ __ ] dude.

>> Wow.

>> [ __ ] Wikile over here.

So, don't you have a tree that's 300

years old?

>> Yes, I do. Over 300. I have I have I

have two of them that are over 300 years

old.

>> So, someone was working on them over 300

years ago.

>> Well,

either that or it was collected maybe a

hundred years ago and then over that

time it's just constantly been, you

know, cut back and cut back like what

you'll do.

>> But it's a part of a tree that's 300

years ago.

>> Yeah. It's It's still It's the same

tree,

>> right?

>> But it's just It's never been It's It's

always getting its roots cut.

>> Is that it? Is that your tree? The 300-y

old tree?

>> No, no, no. That's just a That's just a

a a small juniper that I have.

>> It's beautiful.

>> The 300y old one is a is a redwood.

>> It's [ __ ] trunk on it like this and

it's smashed into a pot about this big.

>> That seems rude.

>> It's about not that. for redwood. That

seems rude cuz if you go to like

Northern California and you go to the

redwood forest, they're [ __ ]

spectacular.

>> Yeah,

>> those things are wild.

>> Insane.

>> That redwood forest is so incredible.

There's the one that you drive through.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Yes.

>> They cut a hole in it in like the 1920s

or whatever.

>> It's really I can't believe they did

that. But the tree is still alive and

you drive through the tree. It's so

crazy.

>> That was cool, too. Yeah, that that that

one I showed um not too long ago in a

exhibition.

>> Oh, so you go to bonsai shows.

>> Yeah, I I I just started entering some

of my trees that I've been working on.

Uh I've I've done two so far. I just now

like just this year uh entered a couple

trees.

>> That's awesome.

>> The rest of the this these other seven

years or eight years of practicing is

just learning, you know?

>> What a cool hobby.

>> Yeah, it's it's [ __ ] rad, dude. It

really is. It's also like the complete

opposite of being a rock star.

>> Totally.

>> Like what a great balancing tool,

>> you know?

>> I know, man. It's It's interesting

because a lot of lot of, you know, my my

peers, musical buddies, like they're

they're all of them are super

interested. They're like, "Dude, what

what's up with the bonsai?" Like, I like

they they're curious. They want to know

>> cuz maybe they've seen

>> me, you know, maybe change a little bit

over the years or they've seen how much

joy it [ __ ] brings me and they're

like, I think I want some of that. I'm

not sure.

>> Well, there's something about like a zen

garden that you associate with like

bonsai and peacefulness and clarity.

>> Yes.

>> You know, just peace of mind.

>> Yeah.

>> Just clean mind. Like your mind is pure.

or you're like you're really in the

moment

>> rather than just being a [ __ ] mess

ordering Uber Eats.

>> You know what I mean? Yeah.

>> It's like there's something that that's

very spiritually attractive to people

about th those practices.

>> Yes. And and that and that's it too. It

it really has a lot to do with sort of

the the the

culture of all of it. Like when you

start going down that hole about design

and all that stuff, you start to you

start to realize that everything that at

least the Japanese um do is with such

[ __ ] purpose. Like you'll notice in

you know and I didn't notice this stuff

until later. I was like, "Oh, I get it

now. There's serious rules about how

they build a Zen garden. You'll never

find a straight path.

Ever. I don't care how far you look,

you'll never find a straight path going

through a a Zen garden. They

specifically and strategically

curve the path to slow you down. When

you get to when you get when soon as you

walk into a garden, the number one

>> objective is to get you to slow the [ __ ]

down. And there's no straight path. and

everything. You don't nothing becomes

revealed to you until you come around

that corner. So you're always even if

there if you're going across a a lake or

a pond, there's never a straight very

rarely a straight bridge. It's either

arked or the bridge zigzags

across.

There's never a straight line. And what

what that's how that's what that's meant

to do is get you to stop at each corner

and look out and just take take it in

and [ __ ] be present.

>> And and that's to me it's like that's

the deeper meaning of all this for me.

It it's really got me to slow the [ __ ]

down because everything is just kind of

>> right

>> all the time. So, you know, that it's

just I get I don't know how to explain

it sometime. It's hard to explain that

state, but that that's what I that's

what I get from it. And every day, it's

the best way to start start your day,

man. It can only get [ __ ] amazing

after that because you're you kind of

set yourself up for having a [ __ ]

super rad day. Like, do you know what I

mean? Like, like, I'm good. Let's go.

>> Right. Well, it makes sense. I mean,

there's something about those Zen

gardens that's so attractive to people.

Yeah.

>> It's obvious there's something going on

with that design, with that flow of

nature and the way it's artistically

pieced together. It's very exciting to

people.

>> And you see it, man. I don't know if

you've noticed, you had to notice. You

see it in a lot of the like newer

architecture. A lot of [ __ ] designs

and homes are being built with that sort

of very minimal um Japanese

flavor that is just meant to have your

home be a peaceful place and not like a

[ __ ] museum or this or that. Like

it's really

>> um Yeah.

>> Yeah. It's more It's more peaceful like

in the actual design itself

>> versus like some house with big giant

ass [ __ ] windows overlooking the big

city and [ __ ] rocks everywhere and

like slow down.

>> Yeah. Yeah. And I've had that. I've done

that before with the house on the top of

the hill with the views. And I mean, the

view is just kind of the view. It

doesn't really do anything.

>> It's very different than having, you

know, a beautiful winding

sanctuary to to to to cruise through.

You know,

>> I think nature is very therapeutic and

if you can put nature in an artistic

form like a zen garden,

>> it's very therapeutic. But that's a way

better view. The view of nature is a way

always a way. Well, look, you whenever I

go to New York City and I'm staying in a

hotel and I'm in the middle and you see

all the buildings like, "Wow, this is

crazy. You're in the center of it. This

is [ __ ] dope." But I don't want to

live there.

>> Right. Right.

>> I like to visit, but I don't think it's

good for me at least. I don't think it's

good for my head space to live there. I

like to see trees.

>> I like to see nature. I like to see

green. I like to see things that are

alive. That makes me feel better.

>> Yeah. You know, it's funny, dude. I tell

people I think I think I was a [ __ ]

tree like in a past life because I I'm

I'm I'm like maybe you were a tree too.

I'm like you like the I don't know if

you're like this gnarly about it but

every time I go into a city the first

thing I look look at is the trees. Like

whether it's a big city wherever I'll

find the tree because that's the first

thing I'm looking for.

>> I don't look at the buildings. I don't

look, you know, up and or down. I'm I'm

always like looking for the tree

>> and it's it's just it I don't know, man.

>> Well, human beings are very connected to

plants where they're very connected to

nature, period. It's one of the most

brilliant things that the designers of

New York City did is make Central Park.

>> Ah, have that giant park. It's an

enormous park in the center of the city.

I was staying at a hotel last year and

it was like on the edge of the park and

like from the window you look out you

see the whole park like straight like

this is [ __ ] incredible that they did

that cuz it's so big and it's it's just

trees. It's just trees and paths and

little lakes and everything and go

wander around like hey get the [ __ ] out

of these buildings for a while. And it's

like for a person living in New York

City having that right there in the

center is gigantic. I don't know what

percentage of people take advantage of

it, but they should all It would make

them all better. It'd all feel better.

>> It's a little center retreat, man.

>> Oh, an amazing one. It's [ __ ] huge.

Like, how many acres is Central Park?

Let's find that out. Let's guess.

>> I'm going to guess 1,000 acres.

If I had to guess, maybe 2,000 acres.

How big is it?

>> 843.

>> Yeah, 843 acres. So, it's this amazing

huge park in the center of the biggest

city in the world and you see all these

giant crazy [ __ ] buildings and then

none of them in the center. It's

beautiful.

>> [ __ ] props to that those people or

whoever that didn't sell that space.

>> How many [ __ ] vampires are trying to

take over that and put a big shitty ass

building in the middle of it? We don't

need 800 acres. 500 acres is plenty.

Plenty plenty plenty. We'll just make

those 500 acres even better and no one's

going to complain. Put on a bunch of

money [ __ ]

>> Yeah. Hats off to homeless and whatever

we're going to do.

>> Whoever like held that down for them,

man.

>> They've lost a few parks. That's one of

our shows that we do with uh Ari Shafir,

Shane Gillis, and Mark Norman is protect

our parks.

>> Oh, but we're not really protecting

parks. We're just getting drunk and

talking [ __ ] It's called Protect Our

Parks because Ari on one of the early

episodes was ranting and raving about

they're going to [ __ ] take down this

park and turn it into apartment

buildings and they wound up doing it.

They they killed the park.

>> Oh man,

>> vampires. They just want to suck out all

the trees and just make money. These

dirty [ __ ]

>> Oh man, pretty soon they going to have

no place to go, man.

>> Yeah. Well, I think Central Park is

safe. And that's the greatest park in

the world. It really is the greatest

park in any city in the world. It's so

crazy you mentioned that because on the

way here I was flicking through

Instagram and I saw

sorry that this happened. Um some dude

got killed that one of the horses took,

you know, the horse and buggy thing

>> just [ __ ] launched and you see the

dude that the horse flips the cart

>> and the dude gets flung out and then he

dies. He died on the way to the

hospital. Why did the horse freak out?

Do we know what happened? I

>> I I don't It didn't show it. It just

showed like somebody else has had

footage of it like just the horse

freaking out.

>> Oh [ __ ]

>> And then peeling out and you see the

thing flip over and you're like, "Oh

man, dude."

>> You know, I love horses and I'm not a

fan of horses walking around the city. I

think it's [ __ ]

>> I get that people think it's romantic to

ride on the back of a buggy with a

horse. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

>> It's not right.

>> No. A horse is supposed to be in the

[ __ ] fields and the mountains. A

horse is supposed to be running around

and eating,

>> clicking around on the asphalt. Dude,

[ __ ] all that. I don't like it. It's

just a gross touristy thing. I mean,

it's cool to see them every now and

then,

>> you know? I know cops like to use them

when they're breaking up riots and [ __ ]

which is kind of crazy. But the the

reality is a horse is not supposed to be

there. Just like a cow's not supposed to

be there. If you had cows walking down

the street, you'd be like, "Why the [ __ ]

is this cow here?" This was likely an

accident cuz the uh driver Yeah, the

driver I guess they call him wasn't

>> Oh, dude.

>> In the right spot. Like left his seat.

>> What?

>> Yeah. He left

>> never supposed to leave their seat. It

says to take maybe a photo of the

passengers in the carriage and when the

family was climbing back in horse got

spooked.

>> Oh no.

>> It happened very fast. But

>> yeah, the driver's not in it. The

driver's not in it, dude. It just peels

out.

>> Oh [ __ ] man. And you see it just go and

just made a make kind of a hard right

and the buggy just

[ __ ]

>> flips over and go.

>> I don't [ __ ] with horses, man.

>> Yeah, dude.

>> I don't ride them. I have I've ridden a

horse before. I don't like it,

>> dude. I've same here. I've done it. I

got my ass thrown off.

>> Yeah.

>> And I was like, I'm good. I'm cool.

>> It's just not good. It's just I mean

look

>> if you're a a cowboy and you're riding

horses and everything that's kind of a

different thing.

>> Sure.

>> You know if you're doing it every day

that's a different thing but for me it's

like I don't need to ride them. I get it

>> for entertainment purposes.

>> It's like I went to Thailand and we rode

elephants. We had to ride elephants and

the elephants don't mind because you

establish a relationship with them

first. You feed them sugar cane and you

know you pet them and you hang out with

them and then they decide whether or not

you're cool. And if you give them like

peaceful, gentle, friendly energy,

they're like, "Sure, come on up." And

they lift their leg up and you step on

top of them and you climb on their back

and they gently take you through the

jungle. But I'm like, "I didn't need to

do that. I could have just hung out with

them. That would have been plenty cool.

I'm happy just feeding them. I don't

need to ride them."

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

>> Like King Chimp. I'm King Chimp on the

big ass [ __ ] elephant. Look at me.

>> You know, it's very weird. Yeah. It's

weird. But,

>> you know, people like it and they're

beautiful animals.

>> Oh my god, they're beautiful.

>> I don't need to ride animals. I I get

it. People like to do it. I don't have a

problem with people doing it, but it's

not me.

>> Yeah, I'm rather Look at them.

>> I'm with you.

>> Yeah. But horses and people have like a

crazy relationship. You know, people

that have horses like they they're

bonded to that animal like no other

animal.

>> Oh, yeah. I I I know a few that are just

like horse whisperer kind of [ __ ] like

where you're like whoa this is this is

some next level love.

>> Yeah, they do a lot of there's there's a

therapy with that too. They do incline

therapy for a lot of people.

>> I did that one time at out a rehab. They

took us to have like a couple of days

with just with horses and it was cool

man. I get it.

>> Yeah,

>> I get it. Yeah.

>> Well, again it's like just like the

trees and the forest. It's like

something peaceful about horses.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, they're mostly most of the

time they're especially if they're

broken, they're pretty chill. They just

want to hang out.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> You come up and pet them and they like

it and it's like, wow.

>> Like, oh,

>> puts you in check.

>> Their big ass teeth freak me out when

you're feeding them. You're like, you

don't want to get your fingers in there,

dude.

>> People have been bitten by them, too.

>> Chompers.

>> If you're someone's a dick, you get a

horse annoyed and they bite you like,

bro.

>> Oh, dude.

>> Yeah. That's got to [ __ ]

>> Can you imagine all that jaw power,

>> dude? The size of her [ __ ] head.

>> Just clamping down on your hand. [ __ ]

you. I want a carrot, [ __ ]

Give me the [ __ ] carrot.

>> That's so rad. You can smoke in here.

>> Yes, I can.

>> Yeah, I smoke cigars.

>> Of course, I'll fire up with you. All

right.

How long you been smoking?

>> God,

forever.

>> You ever tried to quit?

>> I have. And I quit for a This is a few

years ago. I quit for like

[ __ ]

I almost made it a year and then I was

like, "God, I got to feel like after a

few months you're out of the woods."

>> Yeah. I It I don't know. It just didn't

It didn't last. It just didn't [ __ ]

last, man.

>> What brought you back?

>> Um,

you know what?

Probably because I was drinking at the

time. Like, they kind of go hand in

hand. If you're having a cocktail or a

beer or whatever, you're having a smoke.

Chances chances are,

>> right?

>> And I don't know, man. I was just

>> you're sitting there and you're having a

drink and you're like, where's a

cigarette? It's just I don't know. It's

like rock and roll. They just go

together for some reason. So, I failed.

>> Well, why did why did you quit

originally? What was the

>> um

>> was the thought behind it?

>> Um

I think I was just trying to quit

[ __ ] everything, you know? You just

like, that's it. [ __ ] everything. I'm

just going to take a break and [ __ ]

hit the reset button on everything. I

think I was going through that phase cuz

I hadn't never tried that.

tried everything else but nothing. Um

uh and yeah, I don't know, man.

>> It's the last vice of a lot of people in

recovery.

>> Yeah. And then you and you got and then

you know you got guys like Keith

Richards who's just ripping cigarettes

still and I'm like he's fine.

and and like I I've I've gotten I've

gotten my [ __ ] my lungs and done the

whole like pruvo like body scan to see

all your [ __ ] and they're like you're

good. I'm like

are you sure? Wait, let me see the like

you know the the the paperwork is this a

different lease or a different guy like

because that's [ __ ] impossible.

They're like, "You're good."

I was like, "All right." So that there's

really no reason to quit.

>> Well, there's a it's actually a very

small percentage of people Well, first

of all, it's a very small percentage of

people that get lung cancer, the general

population. And then when you add in

cigarette smokers, it's a small

percentage of cigarette smokers that get

lung cancer.

>> Oh.

>> But more cigarette smokers get lung

cancer than regular people. And so

that's why when you look at the

percentage of people that get lung

cancer that smoke cigarettes, that's why

it looks so high.

>> Ah,

>> so if you like let's let's find the

numbers. Put it into perplexity, please.

>> Let's uh what percentage of cigarette

smokers get lung cancer?

>> And I think it's less than 5%. I think

it's a very small number. And then you

got to think people that are smoking

cigarettes, how many of them are smoking

two, three packs a day?

>> Oh yeah, that that's crazy. I don't.

>> And how many of them are smoking just a

few cigarettes a day?

>> I bet a lot. I bet a lot of people that

are a little hesitant, they only smoke

like a half a pack

>> or a little bit less.

>> Yeah.

>> Like, so what does it say, Jamie?

>> It's still calculating.

>> No, typing it. Sorry. Oh, sorry.

>> And isn't there something about like

nicotine? Like when COVID happened, they

were like, "If you're a smoker, you're

good." And I never got [ __ ] CO.

>> Yes.

>> And I was like, "Yay, nicotine." Well,

there's something about smoking

cigarettes that's supposed to be like

really good to prevent COVID and they

it's really confusing to people.

>> So crazy.

>> Yeah. Uh 10 to 20% of people who smoke

at some point in their lives will

develop lung cancer

>> with many studies landing about 15%. I

thought it was a lot less than that.

large study estimates that 15 out of a

100 current smokers will get lung cancer

over the but that's estimated from a

study another analysis found roughly one

in seven current smokers develop lung

cancer

people who never smoke have a 1 to 2%

chance or lifetime risk of lung cancer.

>> Wow.

>> Yeah. people who never smoke. O overall

only a minority of smokers get lung

cancer, but smoking still causes about

80 to 90% of the lung cancer death. Oh,

this is something we talked about

yesterday, Jamie, that we forgot to look

up. Um, there was some sort of a study

that's connecting people that live in

Europe that have high polyphenol diets,

like so they have like they they use a

lot of olive oil.

>> Oh, yeah. And olive oil seems to

protect. And it's a very controversial

statement because people think, "Oh my

god, you're promoting cigarettes." I

don't think they're promoting

cigarettes. I just think they're just

looking at data that these people that

have high olive oil content in their

diets seem to not have any problems with

cigarettes or not have nearly as many

problems.

>> Oh wow.

>> Yeah. Which makes sense cuz olive oil is

so good for you. You got to think it's

got to balance out a lot of the free

radicals and [ __ ] that you're

getting from life.

>> Yes. It makes sense that it would apply

to smoking as well.

>> You totally Yeah, that's Yeah, I heard

that. That's

>> So, smoke them if you got them.

>> [ __ ] dude.

>> Get some extra virgin olive oil. Let's

[ __ ] go.

>> Dip them.

>> Dip them like sherm. Have you ever tried

sherm?

>> Yeah. A long time ago.

>> Did you Whoa.

>> Yeah. [ __ ] high school days, man.

Absolutely.

>> People in Europe who eat high polyphenol

diets but still uh but smoke still face

the full very high health risks of

smoking. Diet cannot cancel out

cigarette damage. It can only modestly

improve overall risk markers. But uh

there was an article that I had read

that they were connecting it. They were

talking about Europeans. Yeah, here it

is. especially meditarian rich uh plant

diets. Consume substantial polyphenols

from fruits, vegetables, and whole

grains, tea, olive oil, and wine. Holy

polyphenol intake is linked to more to

uh better cardiovascular risk profiles

and lower long-term heart disease risk

and overall overall mortality in

observational studies because that's the

other thing about cigarettes. It's not

just cancer, it's also heart disease.

And so polyphenols have antioxidants and

anti-inflammatory effects, but current

evidence does not show they can

neutralize the cardiovascular cancer or

lung damage risk from smoking. What it

means for smokers,

>> haters,

>> you have to have some vices. Most of the

people I know that in Alcoholics

Anonymous, they [ __ ] drink coffee

every day and they smoke cigarettes.

>> Yeah.

>> Big percentage of them.

>> Ripping cigarettes. Yeah,

>> cuz it gets you a little high.

>> Yeah.

>> But it's like a very manageable high.

Yeah. Like the cigarette high is like,

"Oh, I'm all right."

>> Yeah. It's just like a little

lightheaded.

>> Yeah.

>> Okay, cool.

>> But also like good for cognitive

function, you know?

>> Oh,

>> like you know Pink Floyd when they wrote

The Wall, they were high as [ __ ] on

cigarettes. Those guys smoke cigarettes

all day long.

>> What?

>> Yeah. Yeah. Those dudes smoked a ton of

cigarettes.

>> Get out of here. Is that coffee, dude?

>> Get in there, dog.

>> [ __ ] yeah. Thank you, bro.

>> My pleasure. Yeah. Yeah. Tony Hinchcliff

told me that and he's a a giant

cigarette fan.

>> Um Stephen King said that too. When he

stopped smoking cigarettes, it affected

his writing.

>> Oh, whoa.

>> Yeah. He said his kidnaps just didn't

fire as fast anymore.

>> It's like that was one of the things

that I really noticed when I quit

smoking.

>> That's wild.

>> Yeah.

>> Huh.

>> Doesn't that make sense though?

>> It it Yeah, it does. I remember um

quitting for a short time there. I I

remember everything tasting better.

>> Oh [ __ ]

>> Yeah. Like everything just ta tasted

better.

>> Yeah.

>> You know,

>> of course pounding a cigarette

immediately following every single meal

or drink.

>> It's got to numb the inside of your

mouth in some way or dull your senses.

>> Something.

>> You're caking it with smoke. Of course,

it's going to

>> clog up the old taste receptors.

>> Yeah, dude.

>> Yeah. But a lot of creative people swear

by cigarettes, man.

>> I think there's there's some benefit to

it.

>> Yeah. Hopefully.

>> No, I think there is. I think there's

some cognitive benefit. There's just way

too many like super creative people and

a lot of intelligent people, a lot of

professors use tobacco.

>> David Gilmore says he never smoked

cigarettes.

David Gilmore, but didn't Roger Waters.

>> This is this goes on to say that some of

the band did smoke cigarettes, but it's

more about their marijuana and has hashi

smoking

tobacco.

>> So Tony Henchcliffe spreading

misinformation and here I am repeating

it.

>> Uh he might have he could have been told

though.

>> Yeah, I'm sure he was told like

>> Well, Roger, we all did hang out with

Roger that one night.

>> That was pretty dope. We got to see

Roger Waters live and we he came on the

podcast. We hung out and then we went to

see his concert. It was insane. Oh, I

bet it was [ __ ] Rob.

>> He another legend was still like full

power on stage. It's incredible.

>> That's the best.

>> The show was amazing. And it's like he

has these enormous screens behind him.

So the show is like it's the music, but

it's also these incredible visuals that

you're watching while the music is

playing.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, and his is so politically

loaded. So it's, you know, you see all

this crazy [ __ ] like while he's singing

these songs like when they're playing

the wall. It's like [ __ ]

>> Yeah. I I remember seeing one of those

tours. I maybe it was I don't know where

but the wall is slowly building over the

whole set.

>> It's [ __ ] crazy.

>> And when we went to see him, Ari was

high as [ __ ] on acid and he's crying in

the middle of the show. He's crying like

a man. He's weeping.

>> It was [ __ ] phenomenal.

>> Oh my god, dude. I don't know if I could

handle that.

>> Yeah, I don't know either.

>> Jesus. Like, get the [ __ ] out of here

with the acid. We're just going to go

see the concert. I'm not doing that.

Yeah, dude. [ __ ] Around all those

people,

>> I'd probably I don't know if that'd be a

good one.

>> Probably not a good one, but Ari's a

experienced passenger.

>> You know what I mean?

>> He can ride some waves.

>> Good boy.

>> He could ride some waves without

throwing up.

>> Do you ever look back and just say,

"God, it's a a wonder I'm still alive."

>> Dude, I told you earlier, I pinch myself

on a daily basis. I really do.

that like I shouldn't technically be

here,

>> right?

>> And maybe you shouldn't. I don't know.

Who knows? We all got our our thing. But

man, I'm really lucky to be here. And I

think it's cuz I want to be here. Like

>> um you know what I mean? Like like I

want to be here. Like I want to [ __ ]

see. I'm kind of pissed because

um I feel like we're not even close to

where we should be. I mean, the year

2000, I mean, where's my [ __ ]

spaceship? You know, the little

>> right,

>> you know, like, where is that? There was

supposed to be full Jetsons, bro.

They're extremely late or it's never

going to happen.

>> I think there's a real problem with

people flying around.

>> They lied.

>> The people the problem with people

flying around is you got to catch them.

>> You know what I mean? Whereas if they're

on the street, just close off the street

and then you catch them,

>> right?

>> Yeah.

>> If people are flying around like the

bank and they

>> and they just go off like No, no, no,

no. You can't have that for everybody.

You got to have people corral in nice

like very clean lines. We can block

these lines off very obvious paths.

>> Use lights to start.

>> Fly over them in helicopters. Put a

spotlight down on them. So you follow

them around. That's what people like.

They don't like this idea of the jets

and like that's not

>> [ __ ] I want that, dude. I want my own

little

>> Well, they do have flying cars now.

>> I saw some of those. There's a couple.

There's like a one company called Jet

One.

>> It's like this little Looks like a

little It's like a oneman drone for

helicopters. I'm like

>> Me and my manager were always like,

"Should we go [ __ ] get a couple of

these?"

>> You don't want to die that way.

>> Yeah. Let those things get worked out

for a few years.

>> Yeah. It's probably It needs a little

bit more time for it to be soup. But

>> Yeah, man. Because I mean, think about

like how glitchy early cell phones were.

You know what I mean?

>> Right.

>> Let that [ __ ] get ironed out.

>> Yeah.

>> Let the eggheheads work on that for a

little bit. Polish it up nice.