Katie Kirk on behalf of Moms Demand

Action.

And I advocate for

um

in support.

>> Thank you so much.

>> Hey everybody, how's it going? I hope

you're having a lovely day. I'm going to

make this into a few separate videos

because I don't know how to get out what

I'd like to get out very quickly, but I

wanted to give people who don't want to

watch a 9-hour long live stream some

quick cutouts of what happened. TLDR,

this bill that is going to require 3D

printers to have tracking software in

them or to connect to some server

somehow using technology that does not

yet exist to be able to detect whether

or not a thing you're printing a firearm

part moved forward. They voted yes on it

again. So it moved out of judiciary last

week and this week it moved out of the

public safety committee and it was

overwhelmingly voted in favor of. I

wanted to just show you some clips of

the stuff that I found the silliest. The

first point, and that's the point that

it is keep pointing to over and over

again, is that there is a lot of

astro-turfing that I believe is going on

in the pushing of these bills around the

country and I traced it back in my last

video to Bloomberg and everytown for gun

safety who's also affiliated with this

group Moms Demand Action. When the

hearing starts, they're going to be the

me, too's and you're going to see all

these women and a couple men go up

wearing red shirts and it's going to say

Moms Demand Action.

You look into them. Please look into

them. And it's going to be a certain

type of person you're going to see

through the whole thing. But then when I

look down this hall,

it's everybody. It's diverse. It's

totally inclusive. It's everyone across

the board. Everyone this affects. It's

not just, "Oh, we're trying to

take this action and push it through."

Katie Kirk on behalf of Moms Demand

Action.

And I advocate for

um

in support.

>> [laughter]

>> Thank you so much.

>> Like if you saw the people that are for

this bill, it was the same person in the

same red shirt with the same logo over

and over and over again. It was a carbon

copy. If you look around here, I see

everyone on the planet. There's people

from all over the world, every walk of

life, every age, everything.

>> That woman didn't know what her position

was supposed to be on the bill.

>> And I advocate for

um

in support.

>> I don't think that these people even

know what the bill is about. And David

started talking to some of them and it

sounded like some of them didn't

actually know what this bill is about.

They were just told something.

>> I'm so deeply disappointed in Everytown

and in Moms Demand Action because it's

like once upon a time I followed them

when they when they formed and um I wish

that I could continue to support them,

but um sorry, I know who's paying the

bills now and this is awful and it's

deeply disappointing.

>> So, they're taking advantage I mean how

I don't know if you had conversations

with the women that were here from Moms

Demand Action, but like even sitting

there having a chat with them like some

of them didn't even really like as Louis

saw earlier like one of them wouldn't

even know if she was for or against. I

was having a conversation with them and

they're like, wait, what? And I show

them the eyeball and they're like, what?

I didn't know that. They just told me

that it just makes guns.

>> They're just here to like

>> it's a gun-making machine and they're

like, well, yeah. And I'm like, they're

gaslighting their own people.

>> And again, this this is just my opinion

here. I don't have proof of this. It

just sounds like you went to the

rent-a-mom center and you just paid two

or three hundred dollars plus lunch to

get some people to put on a red shirt

and show up to say that they're in

opposition to something because moms are

a sympathetic group. Because older moms

are a sympathetic group. I I know I I

sound like a dick saying it, but I'm

just going to say it because this is all

what we're all thinking. It seems like

you just went to the rent-a-sympathetic

group of people store and just rented a

group of sympathetic people for this.

That woman, in my opinion, has no

[ __ ] clue why she is there. I don't

think she's a bad person. I don't think

she's a mean person. I think, in my

opinion, that they're taking advantage

of people that want to do good in the

world. I know my you know, my grandma

was a very kind and caring old lady. She

liked being a part of things that were

making the world better. And when she

was 77, if you told her, "Hey, you know,

you have nothing to do today. You're

retired. You like you have no career.

Your family's moved out. Would you like

to spend some time showing up here just

to try and make the world a little

better? She'd be like, "Oh, I support

you. I support you. I love it." You

know, with the old-school San Benedetto

accent. And I could see her getting

roped into something like this. That

really kind of pissed me off.

I think they're taking advantage of

people. They have the money to do this.

That's a 50 to 80 million-dollar-a-year

budget.

That's a lot of treats for BlackBerry.

To be clear, I am not mad at or making

fun of that older woman. That is not

what I'm making What what I'm mad at is

Everytown. I am mad at Bloomberg. I am

mad at the people that use their 55 to

80 million-dollar-a-year budget. I don't

know what the mechanism is for rent a

sympathetic group of people. I don't

know how you organize that, but they

have the money to do it. And it is very

[ __ ] clear if you were present for

that hearing or you spoke to some of the

people involved that many of the people

testifying in favor of this bill don't

know what's in it.

In fact, some of the people that are

going to be voting on it barely know

what's in it. They read the bill the

night before, and they admitted that

they don't really know what's in it.

>> These are very genuine questions cuz I

also I'm I'm learning about about this

in real time as you all are explaining

this to me. Um and as I was reading the

bill last night

>> You could hear that little tinge of a

laugh at the end the same way that I

would have laughed in fourth grade if I

was supposed to do my book report and I

actually just started writing it last

night.

>> Um and as I was reading the bill last

night

>> Right before I hand it in and when the

teacher says, "Did you write this last

night when you had 6 months to write

your book report?"

That's the exact same laugh. That's the

exact same tone of voice that you heard

there. They know that they are

legislating and regulating an industry

that they do not understand, that they

literally just started learning about.

I'm very sympathetic to the fact that

they have a lot of bills to read, and

I'm very sympathetic to the fact that

one person can't be an expert on

everything, but that's why if you don't

have the time to read all of this, and

you don't have the ability to be an

expert on the topic, that you need to

err on the side of caution before you

[ __ ] up an entire industry when every

single person who is an expert in that

industry is telling you that this is not

possible.

>> It's everyone. This clearly affects the

whole planet. When you hear the list of

companies that are supporting this

around the world and all the scientists

and engineers and just people in general

that get it, I mean people outside of

engineering and 3D printing are

supporting this cuz of the pure

absurdity of the bill.

>> I'm not going to vote on this just

because it looks good.

>> I know.

>> 3 seconds later.

>> [laughter]

>> I'm going to vote on it cuz it looks

good.

>> I don't always I'm very selective in the

gun bills that I support because I don't

want to vote just because it looks good.

It's got to work and I'm I'm from a

hunting family. They hunted and they ate

everything they hunted and they lived

out in a rural area. So I want the guns

to make sense, but I also think there's

something here. I'm going to vote for it

today. I may not on the floor. I think

there's some more discussion that needs

to be had and I really appreciate

everybody coming out here today because

I learned a lot about the applications

of that technology to be able to create

things that do really good things in in

our lives and I will be voting yes

today.

>> Then you have the guy that said if you

wanted to manufacture a gun yourself,

you probably could manufacture a gun

yourself. You could just go anywhere and

get a gun yourself. So I thought, "Ah,

maybe this person gets it."

And maybe this bill is just about making

a statement. Maybe it doesn't even

really do anything. I'm like, "He really

does get it."

And then he voted for it just to make a

statement.

>> I am very picky about firearms

legislation and there's a lot

I don't support if it doesn't make

sense. And by the way,

3D printing isn't the only way to do it.

There's machine shops anywhere up and

down the state of California throughout

all 50 states in this country. They

really wanted to create a firearm

overnight, tonight, or probably dozens

of them

without serial numbers and they do. Some

do, you know, people are out there DOJ

and so forth trying to catch them. It's

not okay though. So [snorts] I

understand the arguments of hey look,

you got to get the

the criminal, the felon, not don't go

after with 3D printers.

You know,

someone might say this is a statement

bill, you're just making a statement

that you don't want guns being 3D

printed. It is.

It's I think it wants to create

a situation where that's not happening,

but I also think it's a statement almost

like if you put a if you put a

a warning on the side of every 3D

printer that said, "It is illegal to to

use this device

to to create a firearm um

you know,

as as they've been defined in California

code." So,

I don't know how you segregate BB guns.

I don't really recommend

anymore even though I grew up with them

um promulgating a whole bunch of toy

guns or chocolate guns or things like

that to give to your kids um

unless you want to put them through full

gun training and but I'm going to

support it today just because as, you

know,

I chair the outdoor caucus here. I just

don't see the need and I apologize for

those who do, but I we have a difference

of opinion on that. I just don't see

that I have a need when hunting season

starts next month in California to have

a 3D

produced firearm. I do understand that

people want to have freedom in terms

just like Wozniak did in terms of

experimenting with things you could

produce

>> The part where he says like maybe you

could disagree with me, maybe you don't.

I don't see why you need a 3D printed

gun to go hunting.

Where did somebody ask for a 3D

[screaming] printed gun to go hunting?

Where?

You [ __ ] idiot.

How the [ __ ] do these people make laws

for anybody? 254 people showed up. 254

people on the beside that was opposed to

this bill. How many of them even

mentioned using a gun for shooting?

Almost everybody that showed up that was

in favor of this bill was a liberal

Democrat Californian that hates guns.

>> Hello, my name is Scott Seaver. I'm a

mechanical engineer, lifelong California

resident, Democrat, supporter of

effective gun control, and I strongly

oppose this bill.

>> What the [ __ ]

That is the biggest piece of straw man

[ __ ]

Did that He's sleeping.

The entire testimony, I didn't post the

whole thing here. It just sounds like he

wasn't even there for half of it. What

the [ __ ] Then there's the part where

the bill author got asked a basic

[ __ ] question on what type of 3D

printers this applies to, and she

couldn't answer it. And you can see

she's like shuffling through her papers

going, "Um um um." Because she doesn't

know how to use a 3D printer. She

wouldn't know how to plug it in.

>> Just so I'm clear, uh Assembly member,

is your your bill is applying to all 3D

printers, right? So, those that print in

plastic, metal, sugar, etc.

So,

if

>> Yes.

>> Sorry. I'm trying to keep protocol here.

Um so, uh

Can I if Yeah, let me answer that in 1

second, and then um

>> And you know, the the the the cherry on

the cake of all this is the woman that

is pushing for a bill that would require

that your 3D printer connect to the

manufacturer to server to see every

single [ __ ] thing that you print is

the chair of privacy for the state. I'm

not kidding. I didn't realize this, but

the woman pushing this bill actually is

a chair of privacy for the entire state

of California, the fourth biggest

economy in the world, and she is the one

that is pushing for your personal

property to literally report to the

state every [ __ ] thing that you do

with it, whether you are printing a

trigger for a gun or you are printing a

trigger for your hose because they look

the same. What the [ __ ]

And even she realizes it. Listen to her

voice.

>> And at the same time, I think we have

real concerns about privacy and data

right now, as the chair of privacy would

so so well know.

Um thank you, Mr. Chair. Um yes, and to

your point, as the chair of privacy, who

defends the privacy of Californians, and

I believe I do,

um

>> Listen to the disappointment that she

has in herself as she should.

>> defends the privacy of Californians and

I believe I do um

>> The way she sounded there, there's a

character that I play on the channel

every now and then. You may have heard

it from time to time. It's a fictional

character that's just an amalgamation of

many different people.

>> Excuse me, sir.

I'm Louis Rossmann. Can I please have

some right to repair?

>> And they go, "No." That's the closest

I've ever heard in real life to somebody

actually reminding me of my made-up

character.

>> I know I'm supposed to be the privacy

chair and I want to violate the privacy

of every person who uses a 3D printer in

the fourth largest economy in the world.

But I think I care about privacy. Don't

you, Blackberry?

Please.

>> I'm going to show you the people that

were in favor of the bill.

>> Chloe King with Political Solutions on

behalf of the American Academy of

Pediatrics in support. Thank you. Thank

you.

>> Katie Kirk on behalf of Moms Demand

Action

and I advocate for

um

>> in support.

>> Thank you so much.

>> Leslie Reese on Moms Demand Action in

support.

>> Thank you.

>> Bridget Jakubowicz, public school

teacher in Pleasanton, California and

Moms Demand Action volunteer in support.

>> Thank you very much.

>> Uh Janie Dobbs, Pleasanton, uh volunteer

with Moms Demand Action for gun sense in

America and I fully support AB 247.

>> Thank you.

>> Yarjit All, volunteer with Moms Demand

Action, former nanny and former

preschool teacher in support.

>> Thank you very much.

>> Charles Allen on behalf of Everytown for

Gun Safety proud sponsors in strong

support for 2047. Thank you.

>> Linda Gale, San Francisco resident, and

I am a volunteer with Moms Demand

Action.

And I fully support AB 2047. Thank you.

>> Brenda Nixon, retired educator and Moms

Demand Action volunteer in support.

>> Thank you.

>> Sarah Burger, Moms Demand Action

volunteer and public school parent in

support.

Rachel Rachel Ledo with Moms Demand

Action in support.

>> Mary DuPraw, gun violence survivor and

volunteer

for NorCal Gun Violence Prevention.

>> Thank you.

>> Max Perry on behalf of the California

Police Chiefs Association in support.

Thank you.

>> Janet Surrette, Moms Demand Action

volunteer in support.

>> Maria Hodge, Moms Demand Action

volunteer in support. Thank you.

>> Thank you.

>> Claire Senchenar, Moms Demand Action

volunteer and a gun violence survivor. I

support.

>> Cooper Howard, Moms Demand Action

volunteer in support.

>> Elizabeth Carpenter, Moms Demand Action

volunteer in support.

>> Good afternoon. Donald Sturkey, Moms

Demand Action volunteer and I support.

>> Should be Moms and Dad.

>> Mitch Steiger with CFT, a union of

educators and classified professionals,

also in support.

>> Thank you.

>> Uh good afternoon chair members. Connor

Gaspard on behalf of Prosecutors

Alliance in support.

>> Jaime Miner on behalf of Giffords,

pleased to support. Thank you.

>> Now I want to show you how many people

were against the bill.

>> Yes, my name is Steve Peterson. I'm a

member of the Voron design team

representing

the wider open source hobbyist 3D

printer community. And I just want to

add on record the following um additive

manufacturing professionals, educators,

>> Oh.

>> stakeholders, Prusa Research, Printed

Solid, PO Poly, Make Magazine, Maker

Faire, West 3D, Nico Industries, 3D

Printing Nerd, Cocoa Press, Micro Swiss,

Green Gate 3D, Lulzbot Motors, Proto

Plant, makers of ProtoPasta, Make Good,

3D Fuel, Sariya Tech, Monster City

Studios, Slice Works, Things 3D,

Zellerfeld, Fululu Foundation, Repair

Preservation Group, Repair Preservation

Group Action Fund, OC Create, OC Maker

Foundation, MatterHackers, Polymaker,

Big BQ, Big Tree Tech, Dr. Adrian

Bowyer,

Josef Prusa, Dell Deorety, Maxim Zolin,

Joel Telling, Clayton Parker, Bill

Doran, Grant Posner.

Thank you.

>> Thank you very much.

>> Aidan Sona Bria, disability advocate. Um

I think there's a real possibility for

this bill to have disastrous

consequences for disabled people to have

access to spare parts to repair their

assisted technologies.

>> Thank you very much.

>> Hello everyone. My name is Claire Armor.

I am the weed chassis development

engineer for the Hornet Racing team at

Sacramento State University where we

develop a new internal combustion engine

open wheel race car every year.

3D printing technology is crucial to my

work.

>> Sorry, this is the time I apologize. I

should have said it at the beginning,

but this is the time only for your name

and then your affiliation and whether

you're in support or opposed to the

bill.

>> I strongly oppose this bill.

>> Great. Thank you so much. Thank you for

being here.

>> My name is Joe. I'm with SGT Consulting

and Golden Ham's Ham's Radio Club. In

principle of national security, I

oppose.

>> Thank you.

>> Uh hi, my name is uh Sergey Small, uh

born and raised Sacramento. Um a DIYer,

and I I'm here on behalf of my family

and friends who cannot attend.

I am opposed to this.

>> Thank you so much.

>> Hello, my name is Daniel Onasser. I

research the 3D printing of organs for

medicine, and I deeply oppose this bill.

>> Thank you.

>> Hi, my name is Elon Hodaclav and

Retsler. I've been working a decade in

rapid prototyping and commercial

research. I strongly oppose this bill as

written. Thank you.

>> Thank you.

>> Hi, my name is Victor Piedra. I'm just a

parent and resident of Daly City, and I

strongly oppose this bill for very

variety of reasons that were already

explicitly explained. Thank you.

>> Thank you.

>> Hi, my name is Christopher Keaton. I'm a

Lenovo sales training and relationship

specialist, and I strongly oppose this

bill.

>> Thank you.

>> Hi, my name is Sen Loren Hastings. I'm a

free software and open source hardware

advocate, and I strongly oppose this

bill.

>> Thank you.

>> Joel Sanchez, Sacramento County resident

and hobbyist 3D printer.

I oppose this bill.

>> I am Rujul Bardwaj. I'm a resident of

San Francisco, and I vehemently oppose

this bill. Thank you.

>> Thank you.

>> Hi, my name is Paul Rothstein. I'm here

again after last week, and I strongly

oppose this bill on Fourth Amendment

grounds, at the very least.

>> Hello, my name is Tyler Woodward from

the

all the reasons already laid out, I also

very strongly oppose this bill.

>> Thank you.

>> My name is Riley O'Connor. I'm a

engineer and hobbyist and homeowner. I

am opposed to this bill.

>> Hi, my name is Adish Rana, and as an

engineering student, I deeply oppose

this bill.

>> Thank you.

>> Hi, uh Michael Hebert, engineer and

Sacramento County resident, and I oppose

this.

>> My name is Justin Pitter, uh Sac County

resident and local maker, and I

definitely oppose this bill.

>> Thank you very much.

>> My name is Aiden Simmons. As a uh

hobbyist, I deeply oppose the bill on

right to repair and privacy grounds.

>> Thank you.

>> My name is Alex Rozella. I'm an

open-source advocate. I oppose this

bill.

>> Thank you.

>> My name is Alex Ahn. I'm an open-source

developer, and I oppose this bill.

>> My name is Joseph Yule, Sacramento

resident, and I strongly oppose this

bill.

>> My name is uh Christopher Heiser. I'm an

engineer, parent, and resident of San

Carlos, California, and I strongly

oppose this bill.

>> [snorts]

>> Uh Anthony Garcia, work in prop

production. I strongly oppose this bill.

>> Thank you.

>> Sean Sekuljian. I am Warbird

Technologies, an industrial 3D printer

manufacturing company. My company is

exempt from this bill given the

industries we sell to. We oppose this

bill regardless.

>> Thank you.

>> Hello, uh Aaron Turner, engineering

student at Cosumnes River College, and I

oppose this bill.

>> Hi, Gabriel Chang, Sacramento citizen.

On the grounds of the Fourth Amendment,

I strongly oppose this bill.

>> Um my name is John Pennell. I'm a member

of the Warren and Mind Group, and

generally open-source uh community, as

well as an engineer and educator. I

strongly oppose this bill.

>> Hello, my name is Nathan Groves. I am an

industrial design student at San

Francisco State University, and uh

former Air Force. Strongly oppose this

bill for the sake of my future.

>> Thank you.

>> Hello, I'm Benjamin Navares, private

citizen, uh a resident, and I strongly

oppose this manufacturing control bill

on Fourth Amendment grounds. Thank you.

>> Thank you.

>> Hello, I'm Dr. Nathaniel De Los Santos.

I represent myself as a 3D printing

hobbyist and author of open-source

software, not my employer. I oppose this

bill.

Thank you.

>> Thank you.

>> Hi, my name is Louis Rossmann from

Rossmann Repair Group, the foundation

repair preservation group, and I

strongly oppose this bill and the

billionaire who's been funding it.

Hello, my name is Christopher Kramer.

I'm an instructor I'm an instructor at

Maker Space, and I'm a student at

Sacramento State, part of Aerospace

Club, Compever Box Club, and Baja SAE

Club. I'm a student member of Society of

Manufacturing Engineers, American

Society of Manufacturing Engineers, and

American Society of Mechanical

Engineers, and I strongly support you

saying no to this bill. Thank you.

>> Thank you.

>> My name is Benton Phillips. I'm a

hobbyist. I strongly oppose this bill.

>> Thank you.

>> Hi, I'm Liz Bomgarter registering

opposition on behalf of the Electronic

Frontier Foundation and Oakland Privacy.

Thank you.

>> Hi, my name is John Hanna, and I'm a

Sacramento native, and for 30 years I've

worked professionally as an editor.

And so I carefully read this bill, and I

carefully read all of the supporting

materials that came along with this

bill, and I'm hoping that you all also

read it carefully. And what I found is

that there are statements of fact

>> you could just state your name and um

your affiliations and whether you

support or oppose the bill.

>> I'm opposed to the bill

due to the fact that it has not been

written with care towards fact in

reporting.

>> Thank you.

>> Hi, my name is Evan Buttemer. I'm a

professional musician. I play with the

Sacramento Philharmonic and the Stockton

Symphony, and I strongly oppose this

bill.

>> Thank you.

>> Hi, my name is Rolando Javier. I am

computer engineer in the enterprise

software industry

uh and in support of printing privacy

and consumer rights, I strongly oppose

this bill.

>> Thank you.

>> Stewart Hastings, Reading, retired

computer engineer. I'm opposed.

>> Hello, my name is Kyle McKenna. I'm a

advanced manufacturing and mechatronics

student at Sierra College.

I oppose.

>> Thank you.

>> Hi, my name is Jeremy Labadie. I'm here

with my daughter. I'm a a current

software engineer and a former former

child care provider.

Um we're very busy, but not so busy that

we can't come here and state our

disapproval of this bill. Please do not

support it. Thank you.

>> Thank you so much. Thank you for

bringing your daughter.

>> My name is James Wong. I'm a mechanical

engineer, a user of 3D printers both

professionally and personally, and a

Democrat. I strongly oppose this bill.

>> Thank you.

>> Sam Thomas. On behalf of law-abiding

citizens who value their privacy, I

oppose.

>> Thank you.

>> Hi, my name is Warren and I'm a resident

of Sacramento and I strongly oppose this

bill.

>> My name is Yaseen Johnson. I came out

here all the way from Patterson,

California and I came here to oppose

bill 2047 as I believe it is an invasion

of privacy and could be very problematic

for businesses who use utilize 3D

printers.

>> Thank you so much.

>> Good afternoon. My name is Finnegan

Andrews. Uh I am an IT technician in

K-12 public schools in Washington state

and I am here today to oppose AB 2047

for the ways in which it will weaken

first and fourth amendment protections.

>> Thank you very much.

>> Hi, my name is Joseph. I'm an IT

specialist and on behalf of the second

and fourth amendment, I oppose this

bill. Thank you.

>> Thank you.

>> Hello, Kevin Guzman. I'm from Vallejo,

California and on behalf of the Fourth

Amendment and right to repair, I oppose

this bill.

>> Thank you.

>> How do you all? I am Jeffrey Cosio and I

am a software developer and I oppose

this bill for the Second Amendment and

the Fourth Amendment for right to

repair.

Thank you.

>> Thank you.

>> Hi, my name is Michael Houser. I'm from

Riverside, California and I strongly

oppose AB 2047.

>> Thank you.

>> Hello, everyone. My name is Kobe Clark.

I'm a Vacaville resident and I strongly

oppose this bill. Thank you.

>> Thank you.

>> Jason North, Sacramento local college

student, computer science major. I

strongly oppose this bill.

Thank you.

>> Thank you so much.

>> Good evening. I'm Nicholas Tank. I'm an

electronics technician and a law-abiding

3D printer user and I oppose this bill.

>> Fletcher Dubay, 16th District

constituent, strongly oppose.

>> My name is Hanson Dubay. I'm an

analytical chemist residing in Walnut

Creek, California and I strongly oppose

this bill.

>> Thank you.

>> I'm Nick Excuse me. I'm Nicholas Dorn.

I'm creating a 3D printer assembly

company and I strongly oppose this bill

for reasons of destruction of my company

in advance.

>> Thank you.

>> Matthew Conley, former Army Ranger,

current computer engineer and

entrepreneur, oppose.

>> My name is Nathaniel Lewis. I'm a system

software engineer residing in San

Francisco and I strongly oppose this

bill.

>> Thank you.

>> Hi, my name is Brandon Langdon and I as

a 12-year professional and expert in

additive manufacturing at a national

lab, a seventh-generation Livermore

constituent and voter for Assembly

member Bauer Khan oppose this bill.

>> Thank you.

>> My name is Justin Lesinski. I'm a

product design consultant and inventor

in Palo Alto and I strongly oppose this

bill.

>> My name is Sarah West. I am a resident

of Berkeley and a constituent of the

chair. I am here with my son Cayden.

And

we are small my my husband and I are

small business owners. We strongly

oppose this bill. It will not make our

children safer. It's a it's a waste of

resources with no hope of success. It

will just create new problems.

>> My name is Cayden West. I'm a resident

of Berkeley and I strongly oppose this

bill because I think it will create more

problems than it has a chance to solve.

>> Thank you so much.

>> Ann Polley, Oakland-based manufacturing

engineer and board member at an

education nonprofit working with Oakland

Unified School District to teach 3D

printing to underserved youth. If you

care about education, you will join me

in strongly opposing this bill. Thank

you very much.

>> Okay. Oh, come on. When I started 3D

printing, machines cost $200,000. Now

machines are built for $200. Now kids

are building machines for $200 from kits

which allow them to build the skills

they need to repair them, use them and

design for them.

>> Don't make me use this.

Please.

>> Oppose this bill.

>> Thank you.

>> Hello, I'm a retired grandma and I'm

here to support my son and my my three

sons. And they're all in this technology

and I would like very much to

oppose this bill. My name is Mary

Pascoe. I'm from Rockland, California.

Thank you.

>> Thank you very much.

>> My name is Jay Sigaldi. I vehemently

oppose this bill and the

technocrat parasites and financiers who

think that they can shape a panopticon

tech dystopia for all of us. Thank you.

>> Thank you.

>> My name is Milan McConlogue. When I was

9 years old, I built my first 3D

printer, and I strongly oppose this

bill.

>> Thank you so much.

>> My name is Andrew Consilio. I 3D print

fidget toys for my autistic wife, and I

strongly oppose this bill.

>> Thank you.

>> My name is Glenn Gill. I am trying to

start a company that relies on 3D

printing and would be unable to do so if

this bill passes. I strongly oppose this

bill.

>> Thank you very much.

>> My name is Aisha Burns. I'm a medical

physicist, and I use 3D printing to

uh

treat cancer, and I oppose this bill.

Thank you so much.

>> Hello, my name is Hunter Leggett, and

I'm an aspiring manufacturer, and I

strongly oppose this bill.

>> My name's Tom Durso. I oppose this bill.

My business is going to be related to 3D

printing.

>> And the development of

>> Thank you so much.

>> My name is Christopher Martinez. I'm a

material physicist, and I strongly

oppose this bill.

>> Thank you.

>> My name is Adrian McCarthy. I'm a

software engineer from Hayward,

California, and a member of the Northern

California Hanters Group, and we

strongly oppose this bill.

>> Thank you.

>> My name is Daniel Watson. I'm from

Fremont, California, and I do computer

science tutoring and teach people using

3D printers a lot, and I urge you to

vote against this bill. Thank you.

>> My name is Luke Bashaw, representing WPM

Software Design,

a keyboard design company in Southern

California, and I urge you to vote no

against this bill. Thank you so much.

>> Thank you.

>> My name is Jacob Bertram, resident of

Davis, an uncle, an electrical

engineering student, and a former member

of a national level Davis-based robotics

team, which relies on free and open

source 3D printing software, and I

respectfully

oppose this bill.

>> Thank you.

>> Hello, my name is Beck Fortier. I'm a

mechanical engineering student at UC

Davis, and I regularly use 3D printing

both in and out of the classroom

setting, and I strongly oppose this

bill.

>> Thank you.

>> Hello, my name is Athena Roe. I'm a

computer science student from West

Sacramento, and I strongly oppose this

bill.

>> My name is Mustafa Azar. I'm a Monterey

County resident constituent, and I

strongly oppose this bill on first and

fourth amendment grounds.

>> Thank you.

>> Hello, my name is Alexander Shapoval,

and I am a physics student and an

observatory volunteer that relies on 3D

printers to maintain their scopes. I

strongly oppose this bill. Thank you.

>> Hi, my name is Owen Sterzel. I'm a

private citizen and resident of Hayward,

and I strongly oppose this bill.

>> Thank you.

>> Hi, I'm Hi, I'm John Link from resident

of Fremont, and I strongly oppose this

bill.

>> I'm Carmen Morck, resident of Briones,

and I strongly oppose this bill.

>> Thank you.

>> Hi, my name is James Grindell. I'm a

software developer,

Yolo County resident, and I strongly

oppose this bill.

>> Hi, I'm Jacob Korgie, a resident of San

Francisco County. I'm an electrical

engineer that works in the former

industry, and I strongly oppose this

bill.

>> Hello, senators. My name is Logan

Haugen. I'm a constituent of Dixon,

California, and a registered Democratic

voter.

As a computer science student and a

software leader of competitive robotics

at Sacramento State, and for other small

maker spaces across the state that don't

have a cutout in this bill, I strongly

oppose.

>> Thank you.

>> Hi, my name is Emmanuel Garcia Razo. I

am a student at Sac State and a 3D

printing enthusiast and I strongly

oppose this.

>> Thank you.

>> Hi, I'm Jonathan Freeman. I'm a high

school student and I strongly oppose.

>> Thank you.

>> Hello, my name is Scott Seaver. I'm a

mechanical engineer, lifelong California

resident, Democrat, supporter of

effective gun control and I strongly

oppose this bill.

>> Xavier Patton, Sacramento native and

electronics engineer. I've been involved

in the Sacramento maker community since

I was a little kid. I am in strong

opposition.

>> Hello, my name is Sirus Rostami. I am a

unaffiliated Santa Clara County resident

and I strongly oppose this bill.

>> Thank you.

>> My name is Ashley Dragoo. I am a

Sacramento County resident and I

strongly oppose this bill.

>> Uh Nick Rono, Sounds of California.

Uh 3D printing enthusiast. I strongly

oppose this bill.

>> Hi, I'm Steven Estes from Merced,

California and I strongly oppose this

bill. And hello Senator Caballero.

>> [laughter]

>> I'm Courtney LeCount from Ripon,

California. I'm an arcade game repair

technician and I strongly oppose this

bill. Thank you.

>> Uh Nile Light from Livermore,

California, mechanical engineer. I

strongly oppose this bill.

>> Thank you.

>> Uh hello, my name is Hedrick Segan. I

drove 7 hours from Diamond Bar, LA

County to be here to say I strongly

oppose this bill. Thank you.

>> Thank you so much for being here.

>> Hello, my name is Brandon Kendrick, a

resident of Citrus Heights, California.

Um I'm a stay-at-home father and I

strongly oppose this bill.

Thank you.

>> Thank you very much.

>> Hello, I am Ben Wilhelm. I am a parent

and a teacher in Amador County,

California.

For the sake of both my students and my

son, I strongly oppose this bill.

>> Thank you very much for being here.

>> Hello, my name Oh, hello, my name is

Gideon and uh I strongly oppose this

bill. Thank you.

>> Thank you very much.

>> Hello, my name is Alexander Moger. I'm a

robotics and automation consultant

representing Redwood Prototyping LLC

and I strongly oppose this bill.

>> Thank you.

>> Hi, I'm Dwayne Michael and I don't

represent anyone, but I oppose this bill

and I support the Bill of Rights.

>> My name is Ted. I represent the American

River College Engineering Club and we

strongly oppose this bill as well as

Connor, who had to leave early, but was

the president of the competitive

robotics team at Sac State University

and also opposes this bill. Thank you.

>> Thank you very much.

>> Chris Smith, Sacramento County resident,

finance accounting professional, I

oppose this bill.

>> Thank you.

>> Hello, Eric Barrons, uh Sacramento

resident, creator, fixer, and tinker, I

oppose this bill. Thank you.

>> Ian McLellan, not an enthusiast, but a

concerned computer engineer and um

Contra Costa County resident, I oppose

this bill on the grounds of supporting

the corporate intrusion into creativity

and strangling thereof.

>> Thank you.

>> Hi, I'm Hannah Nelson, a student from

Santa Barbara and I strongly oppose this

bill.

>> Thank you.

>> Uh Dylan Coons, Orangevale resident,

artist, I oppose this bill on grounds of

freedom of expression.

>> Thank you.

>> Hi, I'm James Cannon. I'm a business

owner um and for the last 37 years I've

been an IT professional.

Um I strongly oppose the bill and I hope

you guys do as well.

Namaste. Jay Patel.

I strongly oppose this bill.

Thank you for your time.

>> Thank you very much.

>> My name is Daniel Martin.

I drove 400 miles to be here today from

Orange County and I strongly oppose.

>> Thank you.

>> My name's Chase Anderson, Vallejo

resident, embedded security developer,

and open-source advocate. I oppose this

bill.

>> Thank you.

>> I'm Aaron Jay, a software developer for

two decades, and more recently, I small

business owner. I'm also a constituent

of the bill's author

in San Ramon, Contra Costa County. I

strongly oppose this technically

unworkable, expensive, and

infeasible bill.

>> Thank you.

>> Hello. My name is Omar Abdullatif. I'm a

medical doctor and an engineer working

in Sacramento.

I strongly oppose this bill because it

would have prevented me from saving

lives during the COVID pandemic. Thank

you.

>> Thank you very much.

>> Hi, David

chapter of the California Pistol and

Rifle's Association. We are in

opposition. Thank you.

>> Thank you.

Is there anyone else?

>> Chair members, my name is Alvaro

Rodriguez. I'm a ledge advocate ACLU Cal

Action. While we are appreciative of the

committee amendments, we continue have

strong concerns with AB 2047.

To start, this bill poses grave risk to

many users of 3D printers and their

right to privacy. Just yesterday, the

Supreme Court reaffirmed an individual's

right to reasonable expectation of

privacy in Chatri V. United States. In a

concurring opinion, Justice Gorsuch

wrote that one's papers or effects was

understood at the time of the Fourth

Amendment adoption to embrace most of

any kind of personal property.

This unequivocally includes one's 3D

printer, and every owner of a 3D printer

holds the right to reasonable

expectation of privacy when printing in

their own home.

And if the government suspects an

individual violating the law by 3D

printing ghost guns, they can obtain a

search warrants rather than mandating a

dystopian scanning tool that constantly

monitors what people do in the privacy

of their own homes.

This newly required algorithm contains

troubling similarities to efforts by

governments and corporations to either

break end-to-end encryption or include

constant scanning technology on people's

electronic devices.

At the ACLU, we warned of the dangers

that this technology brings and how it

may be exploited to conduct far-reaching

surveillance.

Mandating an algorithm that scans for

possible printing of a ghost gun poses

similar risk. And the question is where

will this constant surveillance

monitoring or every move end?

Once this scan scanning algorithm is in

place, it could be abused by governments

or corporations to prevent socially or

politically sensitive 3D printed

designs, infringing on our civil

liberties.

This type of software creates a

permanent backdoor into the privacy of

our own homes ripe for exploitation.

And once this new infrastructure exists,

it is a simple software update away from

tracking political dissent or preventing

3D printed designs deemed inappropriate.

We remain skeptical of any software that

contains a client-side scanning system

that is purportedly only designed to

capture specific files as this software

invades the privacy of users with 3D

printers who will, by necessity, have

everything they print scanned and

approved by an opaque algorithm. For

these reasons, we respectfully urge a

strong no vote on this bill.

>> Thank you very much.

And thank you everybody for showing up

because you demonstrated a point when

you showed up.

You demonstrated that you could show up

and they're not going to listen to you.

>> Maybe 2047 by our K hand motion is to

pass as amended to appropriations.

Again?

>> Aye. I. Sayarto?

>> Uh no.

>> Sayarto, no. Caballero?

>> Since

>> Lear, I. Cortese?

>> I.

>> Cortese, I. Peraza?

Wiener?

>> I.

>> Wiener, I.

>> We'll keep that bill on call for absence

of Senator

>> Thank you, Senator.

>> For that one guy who voted no, I want

you to listen to him because he seems to

actually understand that he doesn't

understand enough to vote yes on this.

He doesn't strike me as a 3D printing

expert. He strikes me as somebody that

has some basic common sense that he

shouldn't poke with and destroy an

entire industry based over a problem

that does not exist.

>> Thank you very much. All right. So, I'm

going to get away from the technical

stuff. And I'm going to think like a

little criminal, okay?

Um I want to make ghost guns. And I have

my little 3D printer at home. I know

it's illegal. I'm going to make my

little ghost gun or whatever it is.

You say it's illegal. I already know it.

I'm already breaking the law.

Now you tell me, "Oh, we're going to

come in and make you put a thing in

there." I'm not going to. I'm going to

put it in the closet.

Or if I want to go buy one, I'm going to

go out of state. I'm going to buy one.

I'm going to put it in the back of my

truck underneath a blanket. I'm going to

bring it in.

And I'm going to continue to do what's

illegal because I don't care that it's

illegal.

That's That's not going to stop somebody

who is

is doing this. In other words, this bill

like this is ineffective

in its you know, trying to get people

that already don't really care what the

law is

uh to stop what they're doing.

Uh all it's going to do is have

potential real ramifications for people

that use this technology in advancing

the technology while while other players

come in to try to install things that

they don't know are going to work. The

The witness that I think knows a lot

about this has already given us the

lowdown on how effective this stuff is.

So, you know, just like the gun laws

that come up against the Second

Amendment, you can't keep passing things

that are against the Constitution cuz

they're just not legal. And when you do

pass things like this, okay, you know,

have you been able to stop them? No.

It's illegal. And yet, what are we

finding? We're finding that people are

making them. So, what do we do?

We go after those people.

We go after those people.

This isn't going to help us do that.

This isn't going to change anything. All

this is going to do is potentially

create

big problems for people that legally use

this type of technology.

We don't have the technology to say

that that that the printer is going to

recognize that this is a Oh, wait a

minute. This guy is doing a ghost gun.

So, somehow we're going to grind the

whole thing to a halt.

It's not there.

And and I haven't heard anybody tell me

that it is.

I've heard you tell me it's 4 years

away.

Um

that means nothing

to me. This is an ineffective

with way too many

way too much collateral damage that's

possible to

burgeoning industry out there for a lot

of people that are very creative people,

by the way, that their livelihood

depends on this technology. So, again,

you need to go after the people that are

breaking laws, not after the technology

that they use because they'll continue

to use that technology whether you make

new laws that affect everything else or

not.

>> There is hope though. There is hope.

There's one person that did not vote on

this yet. There was that woman that

said, "Hey, listen, I just read this

yesterday. I don't really know a lot

about it." Who started asking her good

questions, and then she said this. She

said, "I know somebody in my district

who's actually very concerned about

this, and even though I can I care about

gun control, I care about what my

constituents say."

>> And I I asked these questions because I

think one of the main concerns that I've

heard, you know, from my constituent is

I think out of all these things and the

questions that he had was just about the

surveillance issue. And are we

essentially creating like a a system

where we are tracking everybody that

happens to own a 3D printer, including

individuals like himself. The individual

I'm talking about lives in the city of

Monterey Park. I represent the city of

Monterey Park, if you're familiar. We

had a mass shooting that happened about

4 years ago. Um and had a number of

individuals who died as a result of that

mass shooting. This is an issue that he

cares a lot about personally, but also

has these questions about privacy as

well. I'm I'm not quite sure how you

resolve that. The issue that has been

raised to me that I'm trying to navigate

as somebody that obviously wants to keep

our community safe. And at the same

time, I think we have real concerns

about privacy and data right now, as the

chair of privacy would so so well know.

>> Here's what Anne had to say about that,

and I agree with her.

>> I'd like to point out the senator who

talked about a specific person who lives

in her district that talked to her and

sent a message about

this person

giving her both sides of the argument

and telling her in their own words why

this bill was concerning to them. And I

think that really speaks to how

important a single person calling in

could potentially be. And so, I want

everyone to take this as a lesson.

If you win, you call all of the offices

of the senators, especially the senator

whose district you live in. Speak

specifics. Say, "I live in this city.

This concerns me for this reason." Like,

bring it Make sure that you say your

background. Make yourself human. Don't

just call in and say, "I vote this."

They're not looking at a tally of how

many people call in. They're looking for

it really personal stories like this

that kind of speak to them and speak to

the other assembly members that they can

bring in and kind of from the business

perspective, these senators, this is

their full-time job. Like all of us that

work in corporate, we're we're kind of

pushed to

show that we're show that we're

listening to people, show that we're

providing impact. These people are the

same way. They're this is their job.

They're trying to prove to everyone else

in the room that they're doing their job

well, they're providing impact, they're

working for the people of California,

and you need to help them do their job.

If you make their job easy, that's what

moves the needle.

>> Yeah, absolutely. That's a great way of

putting it. Love that, Anne.

It's true. It's absolutely true. I mean,

that's the thing. That's why it's

important to call your representatives,

especially yeah, we'll we'll get you

locally. Like it makes a difference

because they care locally. You know, all

the rhetoric about people not, it's not.

You need to make it personal for them

and more importantly, you need to make

it easy for them to say that they're

doing their job. That person when they

went up there, that person that emailed

her is now going to see, "Wow, wait. You

represent like 80,000 people and you

mentioned me personally while in my

concern while you were on this panel?

Wow, you actually care about me. I'm

voting for you again. And I'm going to

tell everybody around me to vote for you

again." Now, here's the note that I

have. David brought up a point and it's

an uncomfortable point, but it needs to

be brought up anyway. Why the [ __ ] are

we the two people doing the most

organizing of everybody there?

No, seriously, why? There's one dude

from the ACLU, there's me, and there's

David. Like the We're trying to get all

these different people to show up. Don't

get me wrong, I appreciate the [ __ ] out

of every single person that showed up

yesterday and last week. Thank you very

much. But, there's a really important

conversation to be had here. Please like

hear me out. Why is it that it's like

mostly David, myself,

that are getting people to show up to

this? Why is it mostly us?

There are 3D printer companies that make

millions to tens of millions to hundreds

of millions of dollars in this industry,

and there's just been crickets from all

of them. And David brings up a good

point. All the other influencers out

there that are starting to make content

about this. I know Grant at 3D

Musketeers is putting out stuff.

3D Professor better have made something

if he hasn't. I'm going to give him a

piece of my mind. He's a friend. All

these people are starting to do stuff.

And I'll tell you right now why you

don't see the biggest 3D printing

companies here right now with you

because they are scared out of their

mind of going against a bill that has

firearm in the title. That's why I asked

them flat out is he is this just because

it's firearm in the title? Call that out

to people. Call out the the stuff in the

room. It's not a conspiracy. People have

told me they don't want to go against a

firearm bill because the optics. Because

oh my god you're against this. When I

first started this opposition, my friend

runs the Department of Children and

Family Youth Services for the City of

San Francisco and she was like what the

hell are you doing? I can't support you.

You're on your own. I said did you read

the bill? No. They are afraid of being

seen as pro ghost gun as a result of

showing up.

I don't care. I don't care if the 3D

printer companies are offended at the

message I'm putting forth in this video.

Since I started going over Bambu Lab

stuff, I've gotten three offers to get

three free 3D printers from three

separate companies. I turned down two of

them at first and then the last one I

wound up turning down when I sensed that

there was a string attached to it and I

just want nothing to do with that. But I

don't have sponsors on my channel. So

because I don't have sponsors, I can say

it for what it is. You need to stand up

for your [ __ ] industry. You need to

be doing at least 1/10 the work that

David Tobin is out there doing for you.

If you don't do that work, then some of

the largest economies in the world are

not going to be able to sell your

printers anymore. Or you're going to

have to sell your printer with blocking

technology built into it, which means

that you're going to have to rework your

entire [ __ ] 3D printer using closed

source software. Or you're going to have

to break open source software licenses

to start putting locks inside of things

and then you're probably going to get

dragged to court over something else. Or

you're going to have to stop selling

your printers to some of the world's

largest economies because you didn't

speak up now.

And that's on you.

And when I say you, I don't mean just

one company. I mean every single company

that benefits from 3D printing that is

afraid of being seen as a Luigi

Mangione. Who, by the way, didn't even

use a [ __ ] fully 3D printed gun. He

used 3D printed parts attached to a

bunch of metal parts. I already talked

about that in the last video. The point

is, you all need to start showing up. It

can't just be me and my merry band of

YouTube commenters that show up. No

offense to all of them. It needs to be

the actual companies involved in this.

The companies that make these products

need to send their representatives out,

need to send their owners, their chief

technological officers out to explain

why these bills are not good. I don't

care if you're afraid of being seen as

somebody who's trying to influence

American politics. I don't care if

you're afraid of being seen as

pro-second amendment or pro-gun or any

of that. If you are afraid of how you

are going to be perceived, then you are

letting your opposition frame the

arguments and you are letting them win.

Never accept the premise of [ __ ]

These people are trying to destroy your

[ __ ] industry and you just hope that

it's going to go away. It's not going to

go away. Most people are not talking

about this. David is right. It's only

just now, after David came out, that you

see all these other 3D printer channels

that are starting to talk about this in

a way that they weren't before. There's

a lot of influencers that are afraid of

alienating brands. There are brands that

are afraid of going into a territory

where they may be perceived as being

political. Life is political. At the end

of the day, what is politics? It's

people coming together to make rules

about how you live your life. And if you

don't take part in those discussions,

then you may be harmed when those rules

that come out don't make any sense and

[ __ ] up your life, which is why you need

to come out and you need to say

something, not just us. I don't know

jack [ __ ] about 3D printing. I really

don't. I just started researching this

[ __ ] less than a month ago and people

started emailing me saying, "I don't

know why there's not more people talking

about this." I started talking about it

cuz I didn't see anybody else talking

about it. And when David said he needed

help and he was on his own, he gave me

his number, I called him back within

half an hour while I was eating my

quesadilla and I put off the rest of my

work day for it. It was awesome. I mean,

I put this out, it was Ethan over at the

OC Maker Faire sent me Lewis's email. I

sent an email, Lewis called me right

away and said, "How can I help?"

Together we got over 200 [ __ ] people

to show up in opposition to this and it

wasn't enough. We need more help. If you

work at a company like SpaceX, if you're

the CTO of SpaceX and you're reading

this and you think, "Man, this really

sucks. This is really [ __ ] bad. We're

going to have less students. We're going

to have less people that know how to use

this hardware if this bill comes out."

Show up. If you run a 3D printing

company, [ __ ] if you run Bambu Labs for

all I give a [ __ ] I can't stand you

people, but you know what? I'll stand

there right next to you while you oppose

this. If you work at Bambu Labs, if

you're a CTO there, show up. From Prusa

Research, show up. From any one of these

other companies. It's not enough to hit

a thumbs up emoji in a group chat with

other people who are showing up. You

need to do what Marlene did. When

Marlene explained, "I'm not a fan of

guns. This is not my thing. But when I

saw what was going on, I had to come

out." And she pointed out in private,

"Yeah, you know, I was explaining to

some people that I knew. They're like,

'What are you flying to California for?'

'Oh yeah, I'm flying there to be in

opposition to something that claims to

be about gun control." And her friends

are like, "Oh, why?" And then like she

had Yeah, it's a difficult conversation.

It's an awkward conversation. And you're

going to have to explain it to them.

It's not gun control, it's manufacturing

control. If you don't do something now,

enjoy living in a future where you can't

sell your products across the United

States of America. Cuz this [ __ ] just

got introduced in Delaware. It's already

being pushed through in California. It

already got pushed and passed in New

York. How many other economies do you

not want to be able to sell 3D printers

into? I'm going to post the entire thing

along with everybody's comments. And I'm

going to try to post something together

that's that includes as much as possible

for the next video. Give me some time

for that. It just take There's a lot of

editing to be done. And I I am a a

one-man band for the most part, as you

could tell by the the crappy camera

work. So, I I I do what I can. My

apologies for not having the time for

it. I'm also going to get over to the

Stop Killing Games thing that happened

on Monday. I've wanted to go over that.

I have wanted to dig into it. I've been

traveling and doing a lot of other

stuff. That's it for today. And as

always, I hope you learned something.

Don't stop showing up. Listen to what

Anne said.

Just because it passed here does not

mean it's going to pass in the state. In

order for that to happen, the senators

all have to vote on it. And there's

still time for you to contact your

senator and let them know that I'm not

voting for you next election. And I'm

going to vote for whoever the opposite

of you in the primary. I'm going to vote

for whoever your opposition is

afterwards.

They need to believe that. They need to

believe that they are this close to

losing their seat over this one issue.

They need to believe that it's not just

safe just because it has the word gun in

it.

That's for today. As always, hope you

learned something. See you in the next

video. Bye now.