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>> Pull up on the microphone. Mr.

>> W up there catching rainbow trout.

>> Oh yeah. Killed them. I've been up this

our fourth year. Catch

>> you. Fly fish.

>> Yeah. Oh yeah. But you're not fly

fishing. You come back in July for fly

fishing. This is fly fishing, but you've

got a fly bobber. It's a fly.

>> And then you got that tiny tiny bug.

>> I mean, you can't even see it. And

that's what you catch them on.

>> So you fly, you're using a fly rod, but

you have a bobber and a little tiny

>> The bobber. The bobber is a

basically a big moth or something.

>> Okay.

>> That holds it up.

>> Right. Right. bobber, cork, whatever.

>> Yeah.

>> So, it's just a different kind of fly

fishing

>> what you're doing because you're not

you're in a boat, you know, fast that

water's moving,

>> right?

>> And you just go down through there and

they move it to the jets jetties and

stuff and

>> so you find like the pools where they're

waiting.

>> Yeah. You go and you just find it go

boom.

>> Yeah. Fun, man. Oh, brown trout. Yeah,

it was good time.

>> Yeah, trout fishing is very fun. Yeah,

it is.

>> Fly fishing is a completely different

thing. It's very It's very skillful.

>> I like fly fishing, too. We did that

last year in July and didn't have nearly

didn't I mean, we didn't catch hardly

anything to be honest with you.

>> Yeah.

>> I mean, maybe five or six a day.

>> That's a lot for fly fishing.

>> We caught almost 110 hours.

>> Really?

>> Yeah.

>> 100 trout? That's crazy. Don't say where

you were. or people are all going to

swarm that place.

>> I don't I didn't bring my phone. I'd

show you pictures of But yeah, it was it

was crazy. I mean,

>> Wow.

>> Yeah. I tell you something funny. I

carry I carry Oh, are we

>> Yeah, we're filming.

>> I figured we were I carry a baby Jesus

with me. Let me tell you what happened.

>> You carry a baby Jesus?

>> Baby Jesus.

>> Like from the manger?

>> Yes. Jesus. It's Jesus. We call it baby

Jesus.

>> Okay.

>> Okay.

>> Oh, so it is just grown up Jesus. has a

beard and everything.

>> Yeah, exactly. So,

>> we're not catching anything. And so, I

reach in my pocket. I don't know why.

Looking for my line. I don't know what I

was doing. And I had this baby Jesus. I

said, "Oh,

my son-in-law is in the back." I said,

"I got baby Jesus with me." And I set

him on the on the igloo on the box

facing me. You ready, Joe? One, two,

three, four, five, six. Six giant

rainbow in a row. So my son-in-law is in

the back. He's going, "Turn baby Jesus

towards me." I turned around. I took

baby Jesus toward him. One, two, three,

four, five, six. I went, "Now this we

caught 12

rainbow

anywhere from 15 to 20 inches." That's

big. Yeah, that's big.

>> That's a good rainbow. So the so the so

the the um the um guide I mean he's he

got a little tripped out. He he he

said he said hey man you kind of you're

kind of messing with me here. That's

kind of that's kind of got got me a

little screwed up here. I started

laughing. I said man you get the power

of Jesus in here. So we kept it all

before I left. I gave it to him. So he

he said I'm going to use this every day.

So that's it was kind of fun. I don't

think that's something you should use

every day. I think that that should be

like for special trips. You don't want

to ask Jesus every day to help you catch

fish.

>> I don't go fishing every day. But yeah,

you're right. You know what I'm saying?

>> I I didn't I didn't need I wouldn't

normally need help, but trout fishing,

you need help. I'm bass fishing and

yeah, I I'm I'm pretty good on my own,

but if things get desperate, I'm not I

mean, I don't want to push it. You know

what I'm saying? I don't want to push

it. Oh, by the way, Jeff died to me

today. Hello.

>> Oh, you know Jeff?

>> Yeah. Dude, I know. I did a two years of

uh um Better Late Than Never with him.

>> Oh, I love Jeff. Yeah, he's good dude.

>> Yeah.

>> Solid dude.

>> Man's man. What What's with all the

whiskey?

>> Um

>> did you bring that?

>> Yeah.

>> I was wondering.

>> You don't drink?

>> I'll drink.

>> Yeah. This

>> I I quit and then I came back.

>> I quit for eight months.

>> Not Not really like I didn't have a

problem. I just health reasons. I

decided it wasn't a good thing for you.

>> Smart. I um

>> Do you have your own Terry Bradshaw

whiskey? Yeah, we've had it now going.

>> Come on, son. We got to have a glass of

that.

>> Seven years.

>> Do you drink?

>> Yes. Selling whiskey. Better.

>> Yeah, I drink this. Um,

>> let's have a Let's have

>> This is our 12 year that just won all

the Golden Awards and spirits and

>> Oh, nice.

>> Yeah. Won all of them.

>> So, age 12 years.

>> 12 years. 13 now.

>> I was talking with Buffalo Trace about

that and they're like, we

>> Yeah, you're that's what you drink. Once

you drink this, you'll stop drinking

that unless Unless they're a sponsor.

>> They are a sponsor.

>> Okay, there you go. And they're nice

guys,

>> okay?

>> And I respect them. I mean, that

country, that company's been around

longer than the country.

>> Long.

>> Longer than America.

>> Long time.

>> They started in 1773.

>> I mean, when you go back to Sedi

Whiskey.

>> Yeah.

>> Got Well, they they claim that Elijah

Craig was the father of bourbon whiskey.

Uh, and it's they do research and then

they don't have it back that far where

they can can actually say because Elijah

Craig was a preacher.

>> Oh, really?

>> Yeah. So that freezer who made whiskey.

>> Yeah.

>> Wow.

>> So anyway, that's that's awardw winning

12.

>> Get some ice and glasses.

>> This is uh this is our original. This is

our two year. This is the original brand

right there. We still have that.

>> What is the original? It's twoyear aged

>> two. Two. Then with our with our uh

yeast, we were able to make it taste

like four to six.

>> Okay.

>> And so now and then we don't do that

anymore. And then this is the uh this is

this is the good stuff right here. This

six year

>> six year.

>> Oh yeah. Good.

>> So you got 12 two and six.

>> Yeah. Actually 124.

>> Can you really tell the difference?

>> Yeah, absolutely. Oh, I'm going to tell

you right now.

This is

145 proof.

>> Whoa.

>> Okay.

>> That's a lot.

>> This This is 108

103.8. eight. This is amazing. This is

This This is a

>> Why is the older stuff have more

alcohol? Is it because of the process of

aging?

>> Well, yeah. Because it's also This is a

bourbon that it's a single barrel

bourbon. And when we brought it out, you

leave it in there. And this is what it

turned out to. Now, we could dilute it

by simply putting water in it and dilute

it down to This is 103.8. Then it's 51.9

proof or proof of alcohol. This this

149.

>> Bust it out, Terry. Let's go.

>> If we bust it How long we planning on

talk today?

>> Let's talk for a couple hours.

>> We may not be able to make a couple

hours.

>> We'll give it our best shot.

>> Okay, we'll do our best. You Who's got a

knife? Who can open this?

>> I don't have a knife here. Jamie got a

knife.

>> Oh, yeah. So, we started this. throws

everything, but he didn't throw the good

man.

>> Good man.

>> Lot of You know what I noticed coming

over here today? A lot of tattoos in

here.

>> Yes.

>> Yeah. Lot lot of tattoos.

>> You mean the building? Jamie's tattoo

free.

>> Yeah. A lot of tattoos.

>> He's been thinking about getting my face

tattooed on his back. You still doing

that?

>> Is that like a bullseye?

>> Stand up.

>> Waiting for a good drawing.

>> We made a deal. I'll do his face. He'll

do mine.

>> Oh my god. Anyway,

>> and I'll have like young Jamie and like

gothic script on my back.

>> The thing about the thing about bourbon,

I don't know how to explain it. I don't

know why I fell in love with bourbon. I

find it to be

first of all, it's the only thing that's

it's only is in America. Bourbon is only

bourbon if it's in America.

>> Right.

>> And I think it's only bourbon if it's if

it's made in Kentucky because

>> a lot of Kentucky people feel the exact

same way.

>> I mean, you ready? Yes, sir.

>> Okay,

>> let's go. Time to party.

>> I'm just going to This might This might

be the best show you ever have.

>> All right. I'm excited.

>> Yeah, you you will be after you drink

that. Let it sit.

>> Smells good.

>> Let it sit.

>> It smells good.

>> Let it sit.

>> So, this is the 12-year-old stuff. And

it What is it called?

>> Bradshaw bourbon. That's the name.

>> Can I see?

>> Here's the thing about the 12-y old. We

only have

>> um

>> Bradshaw bourbon. Look at that. We only

have uh 15 cases left. 15 cases I think

they told me.

>> So this is a limited edition and then we

have to come out with some new stuff.

But this is actually 13 years old now.

>> So you obviously started this project a

long time ago, right? If you've been

aging it for 12 years.

>> What I did.

>> Cheers, sir. Thank you for being here.

>> Thank you, Joe. Thanks for having me.

>> My pleasure. Thank you.

>> Um what happened? I don't I don't know

why I I went to my

Woo.

>> Hey. Wow.

>> You got to let it sit.

>> Yeah, that's that's got a kick.

>> We're going to try this and then we'll

try this and you'll definitely see the

different. But I was going to my I went

to my dad who saw

>> someone's driving me home today.

>> Yeah. My father's father was an

alcoholic and um I went to my dad prior

to him passing and I said, "Hey, Dad,

what would you think if I got into the

spirits business?" And he says, "You

know what I think." And I went, "Well,

I'm just asking you." And he says,

"Absolutely not." And I said, "Okay." So

I shut her down. My dad died.

Oh, wow. It's um 12 years ago, he died.

My mother died two years ago. Anyway,

so after his passing,

two or three years, four years, I was

sitting and I was sitting around. I was

trying to I remember um uh William

Cohen, Secretary of State William Cohen.

He says, "What do you do to make a

living?" I said, "Well, I work on Fox.

I'm a broadcaster." And he says, "Is

that it?" And I said, "Well, I'm a horse

and cattle breeder. I raise uh

registered cattle and in the breeding

business, training business with quarter

horses." He said, "Oh, okay." Okay. He

says, "Is there anything else?" I said,

"Well, I get public. I speak for

corporations." So, he was trying to find

out. And he he took a liking to me. He

says, basically what he was telling me,

you should brand yourself and not have

to travel so much.

>> Yeah.

>> Cuz I travel 250 days last year. We

travel.

>> That's a lot.

>> That's a lot. But my wife travels with

me. So, that's good.

>> That helps.

>> Yeah. What do you want to do with baby

Jesus? Let's sit him right here.

>> Sit him right there. see if any fish got

him flop out of I got him facing you.

>> We'll see what happens. And anyway, so

he said, "Basically, you ought to brand

yourself. Get into something that you

can." And I said, "Well, I don't really

know anything. I know football. I can

talk football. I know how to make people

laugh. I know how to I know how to give

speeches to major corporations and build

a build a program in the speeches. I

know quarter horses. I know how to um um

select horses, show horses. I know how

to train them. I don't do that, but I

have a trainer for all that now. And I

have people for the breeding part of it.

And I said, "In cattle, I I know I know

the bloodlines and things of that

nature, but I got people doing that."

So, I I I just got this I never forgot

that, you know, that's William Cole, one

of he's pretty smart dude. And um so

we're

I'm home

think it was kind of a rainy day and I'm

sitting there my little brain's going

I'm going you know what what do you want

to do? What do you For some reason I was

going what do you want to do? Cuz I

remember one time I remember one time I

got real uncomfortable because I didn't

have a normal job. So I I ran into this

guy that owned this cosmetic company and

I said, "Do you have a job? Could you

could you hire me to teach me the

cosmetic industry?" And he said, "Yeah,

yeah." And he gave me $5,000 a month. So

I I I had to go to work and put a tie on

and a coat because I wanted to be like

everybody. Everybody goes to work,

right?

>> But me, I'm I'm playing golf in between

speeches, which may be week, two weeks

apart. So I got two weeks of golf and I

got, you know, and I just got When was

this that you started?

>> This was 30 years ago.

>> So 30 years ago, you decided to get into

the cosmetics business.

>> Yeah. Yeah. just for just to do

something.

>> I wanted to be I wanted to have a job.

Really? I Yeah, I know.

>> Wow.

>> I wanted to have a job. I wanted to be

like I wanted I think I wanted to see I

wanted to see how America works. People

get up and kiss their kids goodbye and

their wives or husbands and they go off

to work. And I for some reason I felt

guilty.

I didn't have a job. I know it's stupid.

I know.

>> It's interesting.

>> So, I I got a job. Now, here's the

thing, Joe. My office was right on the

road across the street from the golf

course I was a member of and I was

watching my buddies come up the fair

fairway and I'd stand at the window and

I'd look at them and I go, "That

I I should be playing golf with those

guys right now."

>> Yeah.

>> So,

>> how long did you last?

>> Two months.

I couldn't stand it. Hey, I'll tell you,

man. I couldn't stand it. Most people

can't.

>> I ju but I can't explain it other than I

just felt guilty

that, you know, people say, "Well,

athletes, they got, you know, it's true.

>> They got all this money and they got

this and they got that." And

>> you smoke cigars, Terry?

>> I do.

>> You want one?

>> Yeah, I do.

>> All right, let me get you.

>> I want I want a really good one.

>> You got them? Oh, yeah.

Hey, I

I love Hey, that's my wife. I've got the

only I'm probably married to the only

wife who lets me smoke in the house.

>> Really?

>> You married?

>> Yes. I can't smoke in the house.

>> Oh, see there.

>> Everything you see in this place is

because I can't do anything at home. All

the elkheads and all the crazy artwork

and Jimmyi Hendris and all that jazz.

>> Yeah. It's like I let her decorate the

house. Yeah. You know what I mean?

>> It's beautiful. It's very excit if if my

house would look like a 16-year-old boy

won the lottery. That's what it looked

like.

>> I can understand that. I don't know why

I honestly simulators. And

>> I don't know why my why my wife lets me

smoke, but if she said if she Yeah. Oh,

you're saying yours don't. Doesn't mine

loves me, too. But we make concessions.

>> Okay.

>> You know what I mean?

>> All right. So, anyway, I

>> But I have a a pool room like where I

play pool. No, it's out.

>> Oh, outside.

>> Out in the barn. And I go out there and

I smoke.

>> I have a cigar.

>> Yeah.

>> This one, sir.

>> Oh, bless you. Yeah. This is good.

>> You smoke Cuban cigars?

>> I do when I can get them. But you know

what I mean. There's a lot of them that

aren't even really Cuban. They're lying

to you.

>> There you go, sir. I think out of all

the counterfeit stuff,

>> be the greatest interview I've ever been

a part of. Not only are we going to

drink award-winning bourbon, Bradshaw

Bourbon, by the way,

>> and we're smoking this is amazing cigar.

>> Yeah. Shout out to Foundation Cigars.

>> Wow.

>> What is this?

>> Uh Dominican, I believe. No, Nicaraguan.

>> Yeah. Is it our fathers or our fathers?

>> The name of the company?

>> Yeah.

>> No, it's uh Foundation. Foundation

cigars.

>> I got to get the name.

>> This is called the Tabernacle. This is

his uh

>> Foundation Cigars.

>> Yeah. Good. Right. Oh,

>> legit, right?

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. If I had your kind of money, I

could afford these, you know.

>> Foundation.

>> I'll have him send you a box. He give

them to me for free.

>> Serious.

>> Yeah. He's a friend of the show.

>> Can I get like a monthly deliver?

>> I bet he will. I bet he will. Just make

a little Instagram post or something.

He'll be happy to hook you up.

>> I got this friend. He built our house.

Huge elk hunter, which I know you are.

And so he goes out and he shoots this

massive elk. I mean, this monster. His

the bottom of his horn was like this big

around just massive. 7 by7

>> in Idaho.

>> Uh New Mexico.

>> New Mexico's big extraordinary big elk

in New Mexico.

>> Yeah. Shot him with a bow. He's a bow

hunter like you. And so he brings it

home. Now he's got his fireplace. All

right. He's got two over here, two over

here.

But you got to balance it up, right? one

right in the middle. So he's he gets his

horn. You got the European European

mount? Yes. That's what he does. So he's

gets his stepladder. He got his horn.

He's got the screw in the wall or

whatever you do to hold it and he's

putting it up and he's looking at it and

he's like, "Oh, this is good. This is

good." He takes a ladder and he moves

out. He goes gets gets in his chair and

he's admiring his trophies

>> and it falls down. No, no, no, no, no.

The wife walked in.

>> Oh, no.

>> And she says, "What are you doing?" He

goes, "Look, babe. Seven by seven.

Look." Two, two, one in the middle.

Perfectly balanced wall. I want that out

of here.

>> Oh,

>> what? I want that out of here. Get that

out of here. That's not going up there.

Baba, get it out of here.

>> He had to take it down. You know where

it is now?

>> Where is it now?

>> Garage.

>> I know. I killed him. I said I said,

"Give it to me. I'll hang it in my

living room. My wife doesn't care."

>> That's not good.

>> Massive.

>> Yeah.

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>> I only have one in my house. It's the

first one I ever killed.

>> Yeah,

>> I have uh

>> It's pretty impressive. You shoot an elk

or anything, but with a bow and arrow,

you're close.

>> Yeah, it's a lot of work, man.

>> Yeah,

>> it's not easy.

>> It's not easy, but I I look forward to

it every year like nothing else.

>> Do you go out for two weeks a week?

>> A week. Usually a week. Week at a time.

Yeah.

>> You go to Mexico or I

>> I haven't been to New Mexico. Uh, but I

I want to New Mexico is like uh the Hila

Mountains out there. That's supposed to

be like

>> one of the best elk that Arizona um

spots of Utah just for volume parts of

California.

>> Montana's got big elk. Montana's huge

elk.

>> I don't know about Wyoming. I know Idaho

has big Utah has huge elk. I'm not an

elk hunter, but I know all this because

for the one time I went elk hunting, I

gave my trainer, my horse trainer, my

tag.

>> Oh, really?

>> And I just followed him.

>> Oh, wow. Yeah, it was cool. And he shot

this huge 6x6.

>> Oh, that's cool. So, you gave him the

tag and just went along with it.

>> Yeah, I just went along. Stayed behind

when he when they had we got down, you

know, crawling around. It was Hey, it's

it's impressive animal.

>> You've never done it?

>> I don't hunt.

>> You don't hunt at all? Just fish?

>> I I can't hunt. I hunt. I don't like to

shoot stuff.

>> I get it.

>> Yeah,

>> I get it.

>> I'll kill a snake in a heartbeat.

>> Or or I even have a hard time killing a

mouse. I

>> really

>> Yeah. I don't know what it is. Snake.

Snakes scare me. Centipede. I'll crush a

centipede for all he's worth. Then put

him in a grinder in the kitchen.

Grind that sucker up. He might still be

alive. You ever been to Hawaii and got a

hold of some centipedes? Joe. Joe. Joe,

hear me loud and clear.

They're dangerous.

>> Yeah, some of them are. Yeah.

>> Oh, yeah.

>> Oh, they're gross. Yeah.

>> Yeah. So,

>> no, I'm not hunter. My brother's a

hunter. My dad was a hunter. All my

uncles are hunters. I don't know why I I

I never did.

>> Hey, nothing wrong with that. You don't

have to do it. It's not necessary. You

could always go to the grocery store.

>> I do that.

>> Yeah. But if you wanted to get it

yourself,

>> it's uh

>> Yeah. I I don't I'll go I enjoy It's

like fishing. I'll go fishing with you.

I don't have to fish and I love to fish.

I don't have to fish as long as you're

catching fish and having a good time.

That's as much fun for ME AS ANY

>> OH, MERCY.

A big island man caught a foot long

centipede. That dude caught that on the

big island of Hawaii.

>> Hey, check that out. Hey, but look here.

Right here.

>> That's crazy.

>> I didn't know they got that big.

>> Is that an invasive one or is that That

can't be native to Hawaii, is it?

>> Hawaiian giant centipedes. Whoa.

>> Is there a secret to this?

>> No. Yeah, you flip the top the other

way. There you go. That's it. Now pull

that button down.

>> Oh, this.

>> Yep. There you go.

>> Sorry about that.

>> No worries.

>> That one, for some reason, that lighter

confuses the [ __ ] out of people.

>> Yeah, that's pretty good lighter, too.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. That was gross, huh?

>> Yeah. So, you have no problem killing

sun bees. You just don't want to kill an

animal. I get it.

>> Yeah. Yeah. I don't

>> But the thing is, if you don't kill

them, they get killed by something. It's

usually either winter or mountain lions.

>> We raised 27 m ducks, my wife and I.

>> You raise them. raise them. Raised

raised them. And so I told her this

morning flying down here to Austin. So I

told her, I said, "We got five ducks

left."

What happened to them? Stupid ducks. Now

we we live way out in the country. What

what they're doing is coming out of the

lake, walking through the field,

crossing over the road.

>> Oh, they get crushed

>> and they're getting hit on the road.

>> Oh.

>> Why?

Why? I have no idea. But we got five

left out of 27. Are you raising them for

eggs or you just

>> No, we just rais them for fun.

>> For fun. Just to have ducks hanging

around.

>> Yeah, with ducks. We had ducks,

chickens, guineies.

>> Duck eggs are interesting. You ever have

them?

>> I've not eaten a duck egg. I don't know

why. They're darker yolk. I know that.

You ever had a guinea egg?

>> Guinea. What is it? Like

>> guinea hen? Yeah.

>> No, I don't think so.

>> Yeah. Yeah. It's it's it's good for you,

but I

>> The duck eggs are weird. They like coat

your mouth.

>> You know what I mean? But when you eat

them, it just it tastes different. But

apparently it's massively high in

protein.

>> Yeah. We were talking about eating

buffalo and elk, you know, coming in

today.

>> And I said, "Well, I've had buffalo and

and that elk that my

trainer killed.

I could have all of it I want. I got one

little steak. My my wife won't let me

cook it." So

>> she won't let you cook it.

>> So I have it. So, it's still sitting at

no wild game in the house.

>> See, I know,

>> but it's just meat.

>> I Well, you met her earlier, didn't you?

>> Yeah. She seems like a lovely lady.

>> She is understand why she has a problem

with when we when we leave here today,

go over and say, "Hey, Tammy, how about

how about we go over to the house and

have a nice little little elk steak and

you know,

>> that ain't going to happen."

>> Some people have a a bad misconception

about wild game. You know, they think

that it smells bad or tastes bad.

>> I think it's taste. I don't like deer.

>> Really?

>> I don't like deer. I like buffalo.

>> I think it's how it's prepared. I

guarantee you if you had deer from

someone who prepares it well.

>> Do you eat duck?

>> You eat duck?

>> Yes.

>> We try to eat We try to cook some duck.

>> Yeah.

>> It was horrible.

>> See, this is what we're talking about.

No, I think it's just how you're

preparing it. Really?

>> I I don't know. I do know this. Mr.

Child's got some of the best duck I've

ever had. Right. Mr. Chows in Los

Angeles, Beverly Hills.

>> That's where I eat duck.

>> Fantastic duck.

>> Yes.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. Now that's good.

>> I think they probably do a better job of

preparing it. That's all it is.

>> We tried to do the rue. The rue that you

cook duck in.

>> Yeah.

>> It ended up looking like tar,

>> right? Do you guys But do you know how

to cook?

>> Well, we thought we did.

>> We found out. Is your wife a good cook?

Is your wife?

>> Yes, she is. She is.

>> Anthony Bourdain went on this duck hunt

with these guys and cooked the duck for

them cuz they were complaining that duck

doesn't taste good. And he got mad at

them. He's like, "Listen, listen,

listen. Don't say that. It's not that

duck doesn't taste good. It's just you

don't know what you're doing." And on

the show, he prepares it for them. And

they're like, "This is fantastic." Like,

that's how you're supposed to prepare

duck. It tastes really good if you do a

good job.

>> Mrs. Charles got it down.

>> Yeah, they do. They're chefs.

>> Professionals. But my wife and I, we got

it out of out of the computer.

>> Oh, okay. You got a recipe?

>> Yeah.

>> So, we got a friend of mine sent us five

malards,

>> right?

>> I think we got two of them out. We

didn't know what we were doing. Do they

cook down and you don't have a half a

bird or what? I don't know.

>> So, we got So, you got to make a rue,

right? You know, the the sauce,

>> right? The sauce, right? So, we got the

big pot out and we're putting this in,

that in, this in, that in. Right

>> now, you heat it, get it this and that.

Then you stir, add this and that. And we

stir and we stir. And the more we stir,

I end up looking like a rubber tire. I

It was It was horrible.

I I It was seriously But Terry, I want

you to think about it this way. Imagine

if someone learned how to play football

from YouTube. Never played football

before. Oh, let's figure out how to play

football. We're going to watch a YouTube

video on how to play football. And then

they went out there and had a [ __ ]

terrible game. They look like [ __ ]

Right. Right.

>> That's the same thing as like you learn

how to cook from a recipe if you don't

know how to cook.

>> Have you I've got a book out called the

Bradshaw Family Cookbook. And

>> so you can cook.

>> Yeah. Oh, yeah. But I I don't cook stuff

like that. I make a R.

>> Now my son-in-law, you met Noah.

>> Yes. He's a worldrenown, not a

worldrenown, but he was he's number one

voted the number one chef in Dallas.

>> Oh, wow.

>> Yeah. He's from Hawaii. What uh

restaurant does he cook out of Dallas?

>> Uh hams. He he they hire him.

>> Okay. Does that make sense?

>> Yeah. Sure. Sure.

>> They hire him. He does these goes out

and cooks for companies and people. It's

amazing.

>> Amazing. Matter of fact, I called him

yesterday after church and I said, "I

got some I always mess up um pork pork

chops. I love pork chops, but I screw

them up. And he said, "What you got

temperature at?" 30. I said, "350." He

said, "20 minutes. Take them off."

>> That's all I needed to know. It's

perfect. It's beautiful.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. You just got to learn how to do

it. That's all it is. But it's not that

the duck tastes bad.

>> Here's the bad thing about it. And I

know my I know my banker, who's the one

I got the ducks from, his name is Drake

Mills.

>> His name is Drake. And he has

>> Drake ducks.

>> And he has ducks.

>> Ducks. He's a duck hunter.

>> But his name is Drake. Drake. Yeah, I

call him crazy. I

>> I know. But he's

>> How ironic.

>> Serious duck hunter.

>> Serious. He plants 500 acres of rice.

>> Oh, shoot. Serious. Okay.

>> Then he's on the phone with me bitching.

It's 80°.

>> Duck. I mean, they are coming in at 80°

is is rice and he's got water issues.

Does he know how to cook duck?

>> I guess. I never he's never asked me if

what I want to eat any duck, but

I asked for some duck. He he told me one

day he had plenty of duck and I said,

"Well, Tammy, we don't shoot stuff, but

I like duck." So, he sent us five duck

ducks, you know.

>> Mhm.

>> And that's So,

>> so that's what you cook.

>> That's what I cooked his ducks. Did you

ask him how he cooks it?

>> No, I don't think so. No,

>> probably should have.

>> No, probably a good idea. Well, I mean,

don't the book,

>> right?

>> The book. Come on, Joe.

>> Yeah, the books are okay.

>> The book says a quarter.

>> Really, the right way to do it is to

learn from someone who is really

>> I tell you, I got to take a break here.

This is pretty dang good. Have you had

Have you had any more?

>> I have. Cheers.

>> We need to bump again. Let's go.

>> I'm tell you, when this is over with,

>> let's go.

>> You'll be sitting over there and I'll be

sitting over there.

>> Let's try it. It's got quite a kick.

I'll tell you that. There's a lot in

there. You can tell it's 135 proof.

>> Oh, it's good.

But I think duck cooking like I've heard

people say that wild game tastes bad.

>> It's It's the best tasty meat in the

world. It's just how do you cook it?

>> You eat turkey. Wild turkey.

>> I've had wild turkey.

>> Dang.

>> Oh, you're crazy. I don't know.

>> It was delicious.

>> I mean, only way wild turkey you eat

squirrel.

>> I've had squirrel.

>> Yeah.

>> Now, see, I grew up on squirrel now. You

tell my wife that or you tell any of my

kids that. Oh, God. That

>> this is a lot like chicken, right? It's

a lot like chicken.

>> Is that a You're a stand-up comedian. So

is that is that a funny

>> No, it's kind of chicken-like. It's

almost like a

>> squirrels taste like chicken.

>> Well, it's not like a red meat.

>> Do you eat the brain?

>> I have not eaten squirrel brain.

>> Yeah. Then the brain.

>> I've had lamb's brain before.

>> Yeah. My uncle Vinnie used to cook it.

He used to slice up. They used to sell

in the grocery store in New Jersey.

They'd slice up a lamb's skull with the

brain inside like sliced in half and

they put two halves on the grill and

they would cook lamb's brains on the

grill.

Hey, I was like 10. I don't know.

>> Yeah, we used my brother and I used to

fight over the squirrel head. Now, I

don't want to

>> The squirrel head used to fight over it.

>> I don't want to gross out our viewers

out there.

>> Well, we You take them and you take them

and you hit them with a spoon and rip

it. Whoa.

>> Crack it open. Delicious. We I mean, now

would I eat one today? No.

>> How old were you when you were doing

this?

>> I was I know at least 15 up to 15. Yeah.

>> Yeah. I didn't think anything of it.

Brains are sketchy. Like eating brains

can get you in trouble. Like that's uh

>> Can I honestly say this? Is this the

first interview you ever done with

brains eating brains has been brought

up?

>> Probably not.

>> Oh, not.

>> Have we talked about eating brains

before?

>> We have. Yeah, for sure.

>> Definitely.

>> We have. Yeah, definitely.

>> Yeah. Well, I'm not pron

today, but evidently not.

>> I think we talked about it in terms of

what mad cow disease is. You know, mad

cow disease comes from them feeding cows

cows. It's It's basically the same

disease that cannibals get.

>> Yeah. Yeah. I'm not familiar with that.

>> I know about mad cow disease. They got

another one going on right now in South

Texas.

>> Kind of some kind of disease. Yeah.

>> Oh, the screw worm.

>> Screw worms.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Tell me about that.

>> Which can bother

>> New World you horses, dogs, pretty much

everything.

>> Yeah. Yeah. It's a bad It's apparently a

huge problem. And they they had it in

America in I think in the 80s and they

pushed it back.

>> They got rid of it. So hopefully they

can get rid of it again. But it's

apparently a really dangerous parasite.

>> I don't Yeah, it's a parasite. So

>> I mean I got in trouble one time for

saying uh people were having during the

COVID thing and they were taking

Ivormect. You may have taken Ivormect.

>> And I gave I I didn't know any better. I

thought I knew but I didn't know.

>> But Ivormectum, we I used to give it to

the cattle,

>> right?

>> That's what

>> Yeah.

>> And I had a Now, speaking of brains,

this is true. We're in Hawaii. I run

into a brain surgeon. And he says, "Are

you okay with the CO thing?" And I said,

"Um, I had it, got over it, you know,

I'm all right now." And he says, "Well,"

he says, "Boy, I tell you," he said, "I

take ivormect, man. That's been I said

brain surgeon and I said to him

obviously I said really you it's a

cattle dewormer Ivormect kills parasites

so I just left it at that and I walked

away and going brain search

I never could rationalize that kind of

thinking but you know

>> well you know ivormectin won the Nobel

Prize for human beings for use in human

beings

>> no I didn't know that

>> yeah it's good for yellow fever deni

fever

Um, it's an antiparasitic that also has

antiviral properties. So,

>> I I didn't know that. Obviously, I

wasn't as well informed as you are.

>> Yeah. Well, I got in trouble for it.

>> Oh, well, I So did I.

>> Well, I I got in trouble like publicly

like on CNN. the the the White House

talked about it dur I got over co you

don't know the story so and for the

people that know the story I'm sorry I

have to repeat it but during the

pandemic um I got co and we had a me and

Dave Chappelle were doing a show in

Nashville and I had to cancel it because

I had CO and so I made a video um saying

that I feel better but we have to cancel

the shows I had COVID I was sick for a

couple days but now I'm fine and I

explained all the stuff that I took I

took a bunch of monoconal antibodies and

one of the things that I took was

ivormectin.

>> Yeah.

>> So it became this huge thing on CNN

because they wanted everybody to get

vaccinated. So they had all these

different people saying that I was

taking horse dewormer. Well human

medication prescribed to me by my doctor

who also took ivormectin also got co

also got better. And he didn't take all

the stuff that I took.

>> Yeah.

>> I took a bunch of stuff but they changed

the color of my skin. They made my skin

look green on CNN.

>> Like no [ __ ] Oh,

>> no [ __ ] Like I do.

>> They they literally put a filter on my

my face to make me look green.

>> They would put a callous head over me.

>> I honestly did not know that you that a

human inside and takes me.

>> But I I will say

>> it was actually invented for humans.

>> Yeah, I actually didn't know that and I

and I'm thankful that I didn't argue

with anybody and he wasn't the only one

that told me that. Well, the problem was

it was that was a narrative that was all

over the news is that it was horse

dewormer. And if you're a person who

works with animals, with horses, cows, I

only knew it was cattle.

>> It's a it is a dewormer, but that's like

saying penicellin is a veterinary

medicine. No. Well, they use penicellin

on on animals. They also use penicellin

on humans. It's like it's medicine.

We're mammals. We have similar

medicines. That's what ivormectin is.

It's it stops viral replication. And

that's the benefit that a lot of people

>> Was it proven to stop? Was it proven?

There's a ton of studies. There's a lot

of people that have written books. I'm

not the guy to talk about it, but

there's

>> a lot of evidence that the reason why

they were not telling people to take

ivormectin is because they wanted

everybody to get vaccinated. I got one

over here. Thank you. But the reason why

they wanted to get everyone to get

vaccinated is not because it was

effective. It's because they wanted to

make a lot of money and that's what they

did.

>> Don't wait. Well, when you're talking

about drugs, you're talking about a lot

of money.

>> A lot of money.

>> A lot of money. So that's why it's

ironic that you brought that up because

I got caught in the crossfires of the

Ivormectton [ __ ]

>> And

see I but I you knew more about it than

I did because I had

>> a farmer. That's all I'd used it for.

>> All I used very effective as a dewormer.

Yeah.

>> But it it it also stops viral

replication and

>> but I wasn't going to take it. I don't

care if they just said this is gu I

wasn't going to take that.

>> You wouldn't take it even if it was

prescribed to you by your doctor.

Well, it'd be a different story,

>> right? Well, described to me.

>> Well, I'm married to a doctor and my

doctor said, "We're not taking him, but

but I took, you know, I'm one of those

guys that if they say I mean,

when I when I got uh COVID,

I was sitting in my dressing room at

Fox. Felt fine. Felt fine. We got tested

every every Sunday morning. We got

tested."

>> Mhm. They came in and said, "You got to

go. You got to leave."

What happened? "Oh, you you got you got

CO." I'm like, "What?

>> Did you get sick?"

>> No. Oh, now here's the thing.

>> Okay,

>> here's the thing.

>> The question that came to mind later

was, okay, the guy that drove me over

here, the guy that's going to take me to

the airport, how am I getting home,

>> right?

>> Do I stay here in the hotel for 10, 12

days?

>> That was my dilemma.

>> Mhm. What do I do? But I did get sick. I

got

>> You did eventually.

>> I did. Yeah. You got real sick.

>> It took me about 4 days and I got real

sick.

>> Yeah. Did you do anything during those

four days? Were you taking vitamins?

Nothing?

>> No.

>> Why not?

>> I don't take vitamins.

>> What?

>> I don't take vit.

>> How come?

>> You're married to a doctor.

>> I never I never have taken vitamins. I

don't know why.

>> Really?

>> No.

>> Even when you're playing?

>> No. No. I take a B12 shot.

>> Okay. Well, I give it to myself.

>> You give it to yourself? Yeah.

Intramuscular?

>> Uh, yeah.

>> Okay. Okay. Little tube. We take it

after practice. Had them in a big bag.

We take them.

>> Okay. That's good for energy.

>> Yeah.

>> But there's tired. Hot. Tired. But now

>> Sure. A lot of other vitamins, too,

though.

>> I don't have a problem with MRI

machines, PET scans,

>> surgery. No. Now I got a bad hip right

now. I'm I'm telling you, Joe, it's

killing me.

>> Yeah.

>> And I got it injected.

And

>> stem cells with the injection?

>> No. No. I don't do stem cells.

>> Why not?

>> I don't believe in stem cells.

>> You don't believe in them? No. But you

believe in that little baby Jesus

>> absolutely catches fish for you.

>> No, this this I do believe in.

>> Go ahead and laugh that Joe. You don't

want to laugh when I got baby Jesus

pointing at. You better cut that, bro.

You better shut you and I go fishing.

I'm going to beg you to point that baby

Jesus.

>> No, no, no. I'm going to give you one. I

got hundreds of these.

>> If we go fishing, I I really want to

point my way. I believe

>> Yeah.

>> I believe that little baby Jesus works.

But my question is, how come you don't

believe in stem cells?

I had too many people based just on

people that went and did stem cells.

>> Uhhuh.

>> And what happened? They went back and

did it again.

>> Okay.

>> Did it again.

>> Right.

>> Then what happened?

>> What happened?

>> They went back and did it again.

>> Okay.

>> Then what happened?

>> What happened?

>> They went back and did it again.

>> Got it.

>> Okay.

>> Right. Why' they keep going back?

>> Because it didn't work.

>> Okay. Didn't work at all.

>> The same symptoms came. No, no, no. It

worked. It worked for a little bit.

>> Right. What are these people dealing

with? What's wrong with them that

they're going back and back and back?

>> Mostly knees and ankles.

>> Okay. So, you're probably talking about

arthritis. You're probably talking about

degenerative

>> knee conditions, ankle conditions. So,

the amount of damage that you're trying

to repair with stem cells, you're going

to get a little bit of benefit in

something like that if it's that far

gone. But stem cells work.

>> I don't I you know, good. I'm glad. I'm

glad they work. You do stem cells

>> 100%. Yeah.

>> What? What hurts?

>> I had a rotator cuff tear that

completely went away.

>> No, that's at least a year.

>> That's what you say?

>> At least a year.

>> I had a full length rotator cuff tear. I

got stem cell shot into it.

>> A full tear.

>> Full tear. My doctor told me I 100% was

going to need surgery. I went to an orth

orthopedic surgeon that the UFC

recommended. So, they sent me to Joe,

excuse me, but if I finish this, I'm

probably going to believe you. You don't

have to believe me or not believe me.

I'm telling the truth. So, I went to

this doctor. He said, "You have a

fulllength rotator cuff tear. You're

going to need surgery." He goes, "You

could rehab it if you want. You could

try maybe make it a little bit better,

but ultimately, you're just putting off

the surgery." So, I get this stem cell

treatment in Vegas. Dr. Rody McGee hooks

me up with the stem cell treatment. And

then 6 months later, he gives me an MRI

and he says, "The rotator tough tear is

completely gone." He goes, "I've never

seen anything like this in my life." He

goes, "It's gone. It literally the tear

doesn't exist.

>> Baby Jesus in your pocket.

>> No, I had science.

>> All right. Hey,

>> it works.

>> You'd be silly to ignore breakthrough

science like this because there's a

reason why so many people are doing it.

And the reason why so many people are

doing it is look, it's not a miracle.

It's not going to fix things that are

unfixable like like bone on bone

arthritis. It's not going to fix that.

But it might reduce some of the

inflammation and give you at least

temporary relief, which is why these

people keep going back again and again

and again.

>> When I got cancer, I had to do um

certain treatments and I have rheumatoid

arthritis. Now, if I were still on my

rheumatoid arthritis medicine, which I

haven't been for three years now,

um I probably wouldn't be having the

pain that I'm having, but you can't take

the rheumatoid arthritis after you have

radiation. And so do you want to risk

that? Plus plus I kept getting all these

um cancer things. What do you

>> So you had two types of cancer, right?

You had skin cancer.

>> I had bladder and Merkel cell which is

2% of America has two has Merkel cell.

Both of them the bladder cancer was was

uh

I went to a doctor in Dallas. He checked

me and he says, "Well, you got a little

blood in your urine, but that's fine.

that's normal or something like that.

And I kept complaining, man. Went on.

Finally, I told my wife, I said, "Boy,

something's not right." And so, she

researched and found the best doctor was

at Yale University, Yale. So, I went up

to New Haven, Connecticut for testing,

went in, exploratory biopsy, came out

and said, "You got bladder cancer."

Wow. It's a a funny story about that.

Funny story. There's nothing funny about

cancer, but I the last time I got

divorced, you ever been divorced?

>> No.

>> Okay, good. Good for you. So, the last

time I got divorced,

my wife calls me and she says, "I need

for you to sit down.

I don't love you anymore. I want a

divorce."

Oh, all right. End of that story.

>> Right.

>> So, my wife the wife's sitting outside

after they get she gets the reports. I

didn't know she got the report. She

says, "Honey, I need for you to sit

down.

I ain't sitting down. I don't want

another divorce." That's the first

laugh into my head. The last time I

heard a woman tell me, "Sit down. I need

for you to sit down." My ass is out of

there at 5:00 that afternoon.

>> Oh, yeah.

>> Oh, yeah.

>> Yeah. That was I wouldn't sit down. She

said,

>> she said, "You got bladder cancer." And

I said, "All right. All right. At

>> least we're not getting divorced.

>> I can deal with bladder cancer. I can't

deal with another divorce.

>> You want to hear a crazy story about

stem cells and bladder?

>> Um,

>> and let me ask you something. Let me

tell you something. Let me tell you

something about stem cells. They made a

bladder for this woman out of stem

cells. She had uh some sort of a bladder

issue. I don't remember if it's cancer

or what it was, but she had to have her

bladder removed. They made a completely

new bladder for her out of stem cells

with her own skin tissue, put it back in

her body, and now that's her bladder. So

stem cells work.

>> Did that make the news?

>> Yeah. Oh, sure. There's there's articles

written about it, peer-reviewed papers.

No, she has not been here, nor has the

doctor that did it, but uh I'm I'm aware

of the story.

>> It's like putting it in a bowl and you

grow it in a bowl. I don't know how they

did it cuz I'm a [ __ ] But someone

someone

>> [ __ ] when it comes stuff like that.

>> Someone very smart figured out how to

make a bladder for

>> it. Works for you and you believe it or

who am I to quit?

>> What do you mean believe it? Like she

she's got a bladder now.

>> No, if you believe what fine, but I mean

I mean fine. That's

>> Listen, if you ever get injured, holler

at me. I'll bring it a ways to well, get

you some stem cells and then we'll have

another conversation afterwards. You're

like, "Wow, it fixed it."

>> That we're not arguing here.

>> No, we're not arguing. I'm saying it.

>> But I just

>> there's there's real reasons why these

people travel to Tijana and go to these

different places

>> and they die in Tijana.

What was a great actor that went to to

Mexico to have all the stem cells done.

And

>> who did that?

>> Um he was uh the ghost. Uh what was his

name? The the actor. Uh also um

>> went to Mexico died.

>> Two two actors went down there for stem

cells. When STE cell sales first came

out, you know, they they wouldn't do it.

Remember when they wouldn't do it in

America?

>> Yes.

>> So they were going to Germany

>> and they were going to Mexico.

>> Yeah. Germany was a lot for Reginaine.

Yeah. They were going for

>> I know Fred Couples was going to

Germany.

>> Well, I mean Kobe Bryant went to

Germany. Pton Manning went to Germany.

They went to Germany for regenine which

is like a very that's not stem cells as

much. That's something it's

>> What is it? It's a very advanced form of

plateletri plasma like PRP. It's like

PRP but it it's way more effective. I

had that done too. I had that that cured

a bulging disc for me.

>> Now one of the things they're doing now

and I don't know what it is. I don't

have a guy on this by the way but

>> stem cells.

>> Yeah. But uh cancer is now what are they

what is what's it called where you go in

they spin your blood and they then put

it back in you

um what is that called? You you know

what

>> PRP that's what we were just talking

about platelet rich plasma

>> then it put it back in

>> interesting look

>> there's a well there's a bunch of

different plasma feresis that's another

thing they take the plasma out

>> I don't know why and I'm not sitting

here

I'm not sitting here saying hey Joe

you're crazy all right you did it

>> you wouldn't be the first

>> no you did it you believe in it happened

for you know all right I don't mind

taking A shot. I'll take a shot all day

long.

>> Okay.

>> You don't Have you put anything in your

body with a needle?

>> Anything?

>> Not anything.

>> I mean, I'm pretty careful about it.

>> Yeah. I I would hope so. Yeah.

>> Yeah. Don't just try it out. Like see

what what happens when I put this in my

body with a needle.

>> Yeah. Yeah. You It's

>> Look, I got a sister-in-law that's

totally this way and I'm totally that

way. I You're one way and I'm That's

good. That's what make the world.

>> What does a sister-in-law do? What do

you mean?

>> Well, what does that mean? She's

>> she a liberal? She

>> No, absolutely not. Very much Republican

conservative. Yeah.

>> Okay. So, what how is she different than

you? What way?

>> Well,

if so, if it works and I think it's

going to work, I I'm not afraid to try

it,

>> right?

>> I was I was uh when I got diagnosed with

with rheumatoid arthritis and I'm laying

in a hospital and they take me and they

isolate me.

>> Mhm. isolate me because they didn't know

what's wrong with me.

Test, test, test, test.

Boy, I'm in hurry. Then to go in and do

um

um I want to say stem cells. I want to

say it because that's the first thing

that comes to mind. Um went into my knee

and

I sat in the hospital for two more days

and felt fine. Then they released me and

I went home and I was home one day and

in middle of the night I'm screaming and

hollering in pain. My wife, she gets up

and then thank God I at that time I

owned a plane so I could get on the

plane and get back to Florida and got

down there and that's when they found

out I had rheumatoid arthritis

and they had to bring a specialist in to

find out what the hell was going on with

me.

>> So is it only the knees? Yeah. Only the

knee.

>> Okay.

>> Only the knee. That's where the knee. I

never There's no There's no rheumatoid

arthritis in my family. None. You can't

>> But isn't rheumatoid arthritis systemic?

Don't you When most people have it,

don't they have it everywhere? That's

what I thought.

>> Well, yeah, but look at

>> But if you have it in

>> Yeah, but look, this finger's just

turning. That thumb's just now turning.

My hands

right now because I'm not I don't take

any medicine. The only thing that hurts

in the morning before I take I take a do

you take Celre? Do you believe in Celre?

>> What is Celre?

>> Cre anti-inflammatory.

>> No, I don't take

>> Okay. I take an inflammatory in the

morning. That's all I can take.

>> Okay. I take an anti-inflammatory and

that makes that takes about 80% of the

pain away. Doesn't hurt anywhere else.

>> Now my hip is you starting to kill me.

>> My ankle was killing me.

>> How about How many years did you play

football for?

>> 14. 14 professional. That's four. That's

high school, junior high, high school,

college, professional. And I and I

played back in the 70s when

>> I mean, come on.

>> Yeah.

>> [ __ ] hit the fan back then,

>> right? What were the surgeries like back

then?

>> You know, you I mean, it was tough.

>> Yeah.

>> Back then they shoot you up. You know,

you you're going to play. That's how it

was. you're going to play. When I

>> pulled my stomach muscles and they would

shoot me up before the game

and then at halftime, I'd get shot up

again. Stomach block. I torn I torn the

the um oblique.

>> You tore your oblique and they just made

you keep playing.

>> They didn't make me, but I wanted to

keep playing.

>> What were they shooting you up with?

Cortisone or something?

>> Stuff? I don't know.

>> Stuff.

>> Stuff? I don't know. Joe, I'm not a

doctor. Come on, man. Are you a doctor?

Hey, let me just say this. I could play.

All right.

>> I get it.

>> I didn't have a problem with it.

>> Okay. Worked.

>> Scary. You don't want your legs up in

the air and some doctor coming in there

and didn't give it didn't give it a

thought.

>> Okay.

>> At at all. You know, just

>> it's it's kind of the way it it was.

It's it was uh the unspoken

bravado.

>> Got it.

>> Yeah. You know that football players,

they back in the Can you imagine the 50s

and the 60s?

>> Oh my goodness.

>> Jeez Louise. Well, when what year did

you start playing professionally?

>> 707.

>> Wow.

>> I'm 77.

>> Wow.

>> You're what? 50

>> 58.

>> 58.

>> Almost 59.

>> Yeah. I'm 77.

>> Yeah. Soon be 78.

>> So, he just didn't think anything. I

said, "Well, how'd you get used to all

that?" I grew up with it. When you grow

up with it,

>> it's normal. It's

>> normal.

>> Yeah.

>> It's all part of the you play. And as a

quarterback, I think back then or

anytime quarterbacks play, coaches got

to know that he can rely on his

quarterback to be out there and no

matter what. And I even had one coach

say, "Hey, you always play hurt.

YOU ALWAYS PLAY HURT." YEAH, I DO. Don't

shoot me up.

>> Knock it.

>> Shoot me up with stuff.

>> Yeah, let's have it. Stuff. Yeah. Yeah.

>> Yeah. You don't ask what it is. Jesus.

Yes. I I You want to hear

We played Cincinnati one year and the

night before the game there's a lineup

of players going into a room to be shot

up.

>> Whoa.

>> Yo. Yeah. It's just normal. And you

don't know what they were shooting them

up with.

>> Well, we played, didn't we? I told you

stuff.

>> And you didn't think anything of it?

Nobody. Right.

>> It was just normal.

>> Normal.

>> Normal.

>> You got to play.

>> Yeah.

>> He's a doctor.

>> Hey, it's part of the, you know,

everybody. Hey, you know,

>> did they have steroids back then?

>> Yeah, they did. I just didn't I didn't

know why why one player was built like

Atlas,

skin tight, muscles bulging. Didn't

know, you know,

didn't know anything about it. Howie

Long, you never had Howe Howie's? No,

I've never had

>> How's amazing Howie tells this story. He

was a rookie defensive tackler, no

defensive end at this time. He lined up

over our tight end, Larry Brown, whose

arms were this big around and he was had

like a 22 inch waist, massive legs,

ripped every muscle. You could see the

muscles in it. He's most gorgeous body

on a human being you've ever seen. And

he put his he put his arm he put his arm

down, you know, getting in position and

how he lined up over him and now he

tells us how he's the best and how he

goes, "YOU GOT TO BE EFFING KIDDING ME."

He said he'd never seen anything like

that. So I don't I'm not saying Larry

did

steroids or anything like that, but he

was some

>> But he might have

>> might have. I don't know.

>> He might have somewhere.

>> Yeah.

>> Where did steroids enter into sports?

Well, I think it came I think it became

an issue after the 70s. Correct.

>> Well, it was an issue in the Olympics

and one of the things they were noticing

was Eastern Block women.

>> They were I'm going to do an interview.

Okay, Nancy.

>> They were very womenly.

>> Yeah,

>> they they seem to. And then those women

reported about it. They talked about it

back in the day that, you know, that

they were forced to take steroids and it

ruined their life. And,

>> you know,

>> not good for you. That's for sure.

Especially for a woman to take hyper

male for sure.

You and I could probably sit here

>> and talk about certain athletes that

have had such a body change.

>> Mhm.

>> All right.

>> Yeah. For sure.

>> And go,

you know, Yeah. You got to be kidding

me.

>> Yeah.

>> And and and then I think rightly or or

justifiably so

it was probably due to steroids. We

wouldn't want to say that. I wouldn't

want to mention I'd say it. Yeah. Well,

I know a lot of guys who have taken

steroids, especially because of the

early days of the UFC.

>> Everybody was taking steroids.

>> Yeah. You can't

>> And Pride in Japan, everyone was taking

steroids.

>> Yeah.

>> Not everyone, but most people. A Rampage

didn't, but there's a good percentage.

And you found out what you found out

later that steroids are not good for

you. They soften the tendons, the

ligaments, and you never And then all of

a sudden, these athletes start having

problems. They start getting hurt. They

start getting hurt. start getting hurt.

>> And you know,

>> I think what happens is the muscles are

too strong for the tendons. The tendons

take too long. They don't grow at the

same pace as muscle tissue does when

you're on steroids. They don't have the

same sort of circulation.

>> I don't know anything about steroid. I

don't know. I don't know the dynamics or

the phys

physics of it.

>> I know the muscles get big, right?

>> But the tendons don't grow

>> to it. The muscles. Exactly. It takes

longer for tendons to strengthen.

tendons don't have as much circulation.

They don't have a good blood supply.

That's why it's so hard when a tendon

gets injured injured to heal.

>> Yeah.

>> So, uh, what happens a lot of times is

these guys develop these massive muscles

and they can move so much more weight,

but the tendons haven't really caught up

to what the muscles can do. And a lot of

times these guys wind up blowing out

tendons.

>> I mean, the the that wrestling bunch, I

mean, every one of those guys looked

like an Adonis.

>> Oh, yeah. Especially back in the day.

>> The early Schwarzenegger.

>> Schwarzenegger was there.

>> Yeah. Well, he's open about it. You

know, he took a lot of stories.

>> You know what?

>> We know it. Someone say it.

>> Yeah. Yeah. We're not stupid.

>> Well, that's a sport where it's

required. If you want to be Mr. Olympia,

it's no there's no way to get that kind

of a body without steroids. Doesn't

exist.

>> What about the What about the

Wrestlemania bunch? You were part of

that.

>> I'm a part of that. Uh but I'm sure a

bunch of those No, no, no. Okay. No, but

I'm sure a bunch of those guys probably

take it, too. That's how you get big,

>> you know. And if you're a wrestler and

you want to be on wrestle, I mean, if

you want to be a professional wrestler,

you want to be this hulking figure,

there's one way to do it. You got to

take steroids,

>> you know, it's not a normal physique for

someone to attain

>> and you don't get tested for it.

>> Yeah. Exactly. That's why the early days

of the UFC, there was no testing.

>> And then when it started getting

sanctioned, then we were tested by

athletic commissions. And then

eventually the UFC realized, we've got a

real problem where these guys are

figuring out how to beat the athletic

commission's testing because it's only

one day. So it was really more they they

they would call it an intelligence test

rather than an IQ test.

>> Yeah.

>> And so then they started using USADA and

USADA would just randomly test people

and then they started catching people

and that's when physiques really

changed.

>> Yeah. I you know

that year I'll say it that year when

those baseball players were hitting

>> 60 home runs like it was nothing. Yeah.

>> And they were you're looking at them

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>> Oh yeah.

>> Yeah,

>> that was the best.

>> Yeah,

>> they should give them all steroids. It's

the only time baseball's fun.

>> I tell you what,

>> it was um

>> Yeah,

>> the viewers were tun were tuning in

>> 100%. Yeah,

>> the Mark Magcguire Sammy Sosa days.

Barry Bonds. Yeah,

>> Barry went from 185 to

>> I met Barry when he was normal sized.

Yeah,

>> when he was like a normal athlete and

then he just got giant. But also, he was

a great baseball player first and then

you give him all those steroids and now

he's got all this muscle and he's just

cracking him out of the park. Those are

the good old days. They should have

looked away.

They should have turned their head away.

>> Boy, I tell you what,

>> I don't see nothing. They should have,

everybody should have shut the [ __ ] up

and let these guys take steroids. Let's

go. Do you like home runs or not? Let's

go.

>> That's from Joe Rogan, ladies and

gentlemen. We'll be back in a minute.

>> The problem is it's the great American

pastime and you don't want to associate

the great American pastime with what

people think is cheating.

>> But that's

>> Yeah.

>> Look, there's guys that didn't need to

do it to be in the Hall of Fame and

they're getting barred from the Hall of

Fame. That's true.

>> Barry's one of them. Barry is Barry was

a great player without it.

>> Fantastic player. Yeah.

>> Mark Magguire.

>> Mark Magcguire and so was Sammy Sosa.

>> Yeah. Didn't need it. I don't

>> Maybe they Maybe they didn't think

they'd be noticed. Maybe they didn't

think they'd get caught. Maybe.

>> These guys got giant. I don't know how

they didn't think the people would

notice. They got They got enormous.

>> Yeah, for sure.

>> But, you know, hey, it is what it is. I

mean, um it was a fun time though.

>> Yeah. fun time for baseball.

>> You know,

I remember people asked me said, "You

didn't know your guys were on steroids?"

And hell, I didn't know what steroids

was. I remember one time I was at the

Hall of Fame. Someone that was the

question that came to me about steroids.

I didn't know any better. I said, "Well,

hell, everybody takes steroids." I took

steroids for this, you know, but not

antibiotic steroids,

>> right? He took cortisone.

>> Yeah. I didn't I didn't correlate the

two diff the differences. And one guy

comes up to me, you idiot. It's

There's there's two types at least we

know of and I went I didn't know you

know

>> that's actually funny

>> I'm you know what you let me tell you

the truth