There needs to be more prison and more

judgment around who was in the wrong

place at the wrong time.

>> Yes, I agree. But there's a lot of

people who knew exactly what they were

doing.

>> Hi everyone, this is Pivot from New York

Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast

Network. I'm Carara Swisser

>> and I'm Scott Galloway.

>> Resist and unsubscribe. February has

begun. How's it going? You You've been

putting up a lot. You've been really

getting rid of [ __ ] I've been getting

rid of a lot, but not like you. I still

have Uber. I was just gonna pause it and

use Lift instead.

>> Yeah, it sucks when you got to walk the

walk. Um

>> I know. I know.

>> So, I mean, I'm insight. You'd be a

better judge of how it's going than me.

I mean, I've I've literally I've gotten

hundreds and I'm about to cross a

thousand emails of people with

screenshots of them unsubscribing.

Obviously, you need hundreds of

thousands, maybe millions. I'm going on

CNN, MSNBC, PBS. I'm doing all I'm doing

the rounds there. I've heard from

>> about taking off, I have to tell you.

I'm hearing it from lots of people.

>> Oh, thanks. I think Well, I hope you're

right. You're probably being generous

because you like me, but I've heard from

about a third of the companies, either

their CEOs, and they've been very

polite, but they're like, "You realize

that I supported this and I'm against

ICE." And I'm like, "Yeah, to me you

are, but I haven't heard you say dick

publicly,

>> not dick."

>> Um, and what's interesting is through

the process, for example, I unsubscribed

from Uber or I cancelled my Uber

account.

>> That was a big one. I thought that was a

big deal.

>> Oh my god. Before you go, it tells you,

all right, I've ordered 37 times from

Uber Eats. How many Ubers have I taken

in the last 10 years? Guess

>> I don't know, thousands.

>> 3747.

>> And I did some I did some math here.

>> Everyone thought you had a private

driver. I'm like, he doesn't have a

[ __ ] private driver.

>> It's called Uber. It's called Daros.

>> Yeah, that's right.

>> Anyways, I absolutely love Uber Lux. And

this is a story of privilege. Let me do

my land acknowledgements. Most people

don't have the money I have. Anyways,

but I've taken 350 Ubers a year for the

last 10 years on average. The average

price of Uber Lux has gone from 40 to

$60 to 80 to120. And this is what these

companies do. They do predatory pricing.

They price it below market. Incredible

value proposition. They wait till they

consolidate the market. Then they start

raising prices, which Uber has done 7 to

10% a year for the last decade. So this

year in 2025, do you know how much I'm

spending a year on Uber?

>> No. What? I'm spending $34,000 a year on

Uber.

>> What?

>> So, I figured it out.

>> I figured it out.

>> Okay.

>> Everywhere. I go everywhere.

>> You could have hired a driver. Yeah.

>> Okay. No, better yet, I figured it out.

I'm now taking the tube here. I'm taking

the subway. By the way, the subway in

New York is amazing.

>> And I'm I'm I'm filling in the gaps with

Uber X, whatever it's called, the cheap

one where you get an air freshener and

you know, a guy who can't figure out

ways. That was probably a hate crime.

Anyways, and then but I figured out the

money I'm going to save, I could buy,

including insurance and parking. I could

lease a Mercedes G Wagon, a Range Rover,

or the new BMW i Series 7. People do not

realize how much money they are spending

>> on these platforms because they get you

in, they automatically renew. Time goes

faster than you think,

>> right?

>> I found out I have three Chachi BT

subscriptions. I'm not sure why, but I

have three

>> drunken night.

>> I have four Apple TV Plus subscriptions.

I'm like, how do I log on here? And I

just log on again or I just create a new

account.

>> I have been I switched from AT&T, which

has been a supporter of ICE. I'm saving

>> approximately $70 a month on AT&T,

switching over to Noble, which I did

before. Mhm.

>> Anyways, I'm I'm doing I'm trying to

unsubscribe from some from something

every day and do some analysis around

>> what I've spent and what it's cost. But

>> may I ask a question because someone did

bring this up. Would you get rid of your

stocks in these companies?

>> Oh, that's a tough one.

>> I know. That's what I thought. I thought

it was a good question.

>> Okay, this is the bottom line.

I think I'm going to have to. Yeah.

>> Um I'm also thinking about transferring

all of my stocks and bonds and assets

from

from Goldman and uh going either to a

regional bank or even a Canadian bank. I

feel

>> RBC whatever.

>> I just don't want to hate I don't want

to hurt Americans, but I think I might

go to a regional bank.

>> Yeah. Uh, but I am I am going to I am

going to try and walk the walk here. And

every day I'm I'm unsubscribing or

cancelling from

>> Yeah.

>> from something. But yeah,

>> it gets easy to harder. That's It was a

good question from a listener. I thought

Let's listen to some of what our

listeners have called in to tell us

they've done.

>> I unsubscribed from Apple TV.

>> I have personally unsubscribed from

every streaming service that is

currently out there.

Personally, I had given up Amazon three

egregious Jeff Bezos acts ago. I had

been guilty keeping the Kindle

Unlimited. That is gone as of today, as

is Apple Fitness.

>> This is Michael in Cameroon

and I have cancelled my Chat GPT Pro and

Amazon Prime.

>> Amazon acquired IMDb 25 years ago. I've

been paying for the pro membership

subscription for the last 20 years. It's

a pain, but I can find this information

elsewhere. So, click

>> good. This is all different. You don't

realize how how we how much stuff we pay

these people everywhere. And also,

what's really helpful is you gave

examples of what you can go to helping

people go to other things. Now, can I

just make one point? Not everything is

perfect. No company, all companies have

been involved in all kinds of nefarious

activities that you don't like, but you

got to meet the moment for now. And you

could always go back to them, right, at

at some point. That's the thing. It's

you're sending a message right now like

uh I have to give up the Amazon stuff. I

got to work on that today. Like I I use

Amazon a lot. My wife's shift shifted to

local retailers, which one of the

problems is you can't find products

because of the tariffs. Like, and that's

diff stuff you use every day. Uh, but

I'm really um I think this is a great

effort, Scott Galloway. I just

>> Thanks. And the I mean a few things.

One, I'm not telling people not to go to

work or not to buy groceries. I don't

think someone who has the blessings I

have is in a position to tell people to

take risks with their employment or

really sacrifice around things like

food. What I'm suggesting is this is a

signal and a framework for how you

inflict the maximum damage with a

minimum amount of sacrifice. And that is

if you were to say stop shopping at

Kroger's and reduce your grocery spend,

I think you have X impact. When you go

after big tech who has the presidents

and the markets a year in subscription

revenue where these companies are

trading at 30, 50, 100 times revenues,

you have 40x the impact on the

administration with what is in my view a

fairly minimal sacrifice. When you look

at how many substitutes there are and

when you actually uncover how much money

you're spending and what is really

required to not participate, it's not as

much as you think. There is there's the

tube, there's Uber X, there are a ton of

streaming media platforms, there are

free 30-day Spotify accounts if you

cancel and then resubscribe. It's

there's a lot of ways here to have a big

impact without a huge you don't have to

take your entire Saturday and go to a

protest. And I'm not discouraging pe

people from doing that, but if you want

to look at maximum impact relative to

the investment or the sacrifice,

uh I think this is it.

>> Yep. I like the three three egregious

Jeff Bezos acts ago. We're in like 10 at

this point. Anyway, keep going. Keep

going. Keep putting those things up.

I'll keep Well, people you can find hund

hundreds of dollars that you can take

away from them and and they will know.

It does add up. a a little tiny drop

becomes a great stream and then an

ocean. So anyway, we've got a lot to get

to today, so let's dig in. The Justice

Department released this was something

over the weekend. 3.5 million new pages

of Epstein related files late last week.

They're not even the worst ones. There's

3 million more. That must be the worst.

Including 2,000 videos and 180,000

images a mere 42 days after the fedally

mandated deadline. By the way, they are

not following the law. There are

millions more they need to release. They

said they weren't going to, but they are

going to have to, I think. Deputy

Attorney General Todd Blanch said the

release brings the DOJ into compliance

with the Epstein Files Transparency Act.

It doesn't. The lawmakers and survivors

are calling the document inadequate and

filled with redaction errors. At least

5,300 documents mention Donald Trump. A

lot of these are unverified tips, but

Trump said he's been told the latest

release absolves him. It does not. The

files show how Epstein's network

stretched across Hollywood, Wall Street,

Washington, Silicon Valley. That's

what's really quite fascinating here

with people like Brett Ratner who was

just at the White House with he did the

Melonia document, Howard Lutnik, who

lied about being in touch with Epstein

who made a big show of not thinking he

was awful and then was hanging out with

him in his place in in the Caribbean.

Bill Gates, Elon Musk, all appearing in

the documents. Elon Mus look like he's

losing a having a a stroke in real time

um uh over these things and trying to

pretend he doesn't mean anything. So

talk about this and obviously another

person has kind of caught up some we've

talked about Peter Atia a number of

really distasteful texts thousands of

them um actually uh so lots of people

involved they really stretch the gamut

and they're all very social with each

other Casey Wasserman who's running the

Olympic uh uh effort for example

apologized um I'll take note just so you

know a lot of fake Elon emails floating

out there but it's clear his

relationship with Elon is not how he's

framed it in the asked, which is he

wasn't interested. He's been posting on

X all weekend saying is where his emails

to Epstein could be misinterpreted. He's

also back and forth with Reed Hoffman,

who Reed really got him, saying if you

really cared about the victims, you

wouldn't have spent $210 million on

Donald Trump and also have all that uh

non-consensual uh uh stuff on on on

Grock, which I think is absolutely

right. So, thoughts, Scott? I mean, it's

been pretty riveting in a lot of ways.

Yeah, it's it I mean there's just so

much here. One, I think you have to put

on your critical thinking cap and

discern between different acts, criminal

acts, poor judgment, and people who are

just unlucky. Um, any other

administration would be taking advantage

of the moment to say we have appointed a

special counsel here and we are going to

prosecute people based on this

information.

and

>> the criminal

>> if if if you had sex with an underage

girl, you should be subject to criminal

prosecution. And these files seem to

seem to indicate that that absolutely

happened here. And if all this [ __ ]

about concern over the victims, well,

okay, the way you bring closure and

create incentives such that other people

don't do this is you criminally

prosecute. There's another group of

people that I think is even bigger and

that is the people who have demonstrated

really poor judgment by cohorting,

collaborating, commiserating with a

convicted pedophile.

>> Let me add Steve Bannon was right up in

his group. He was they were like

freaking

>> right. And those people should be

shamed. Maybe those people maybe we

should not be comfortable with those

people in leadership positions. I'd like

to think the bar for you know president

is that that would not clear that bar.

So, but people get to decide if they're

comfortable with that those errors and

judgment. And then I think an even

bigger concentric circle is a lot of

people who are just in the wrong place

at the wrong time. And I don't I I you

know I don't want to I'm not saying

absolve them of all or I I don't think

they're guiltless, but I do think a lot

of people got invited to some conference

about philanthropy or whatever and ended

up in the Epstein files.

>> Yeah. No, I know. I listen, oddly

enough, I I I will say full disclosure,

I we sent Epstein a note to go to dive

into media because we bought a TED list

and he was a big a lot of those people

in these files are all ex TED people.

They were and so we bought mailing list

and there's an email uh that which is a

mailing list email. It wasn't from me.

um he was on it and then for some reason

some of the people around him sent him

articles I wrote and that's you know so

I searched myself immediately and that's

the pretty that's the extent what I can

find I have been at parties as I said

where big huge dinner events at like TED

Ted was where he showed up a lot um

where he apparently was I never met him

but I mean you that's what you're

talking about correct but or I think

mine's even less than that

>> Elon Musk who appears who have been, you

know, had a lot decent amount of

interaction with Jeffrey Epstein

immediately goes on the offensive and

tries to start pulling Reed Hoffman into

it and Reed looks like he was squarely

on the outer circle here.

>> Yeah, I would agree. I know a lot about

his

>> That's how gross this is getting. The

other observation

is that there's pedophilia

and what's going on here in some ways is

worse. What do I mean by that? I do

think there are pedophiles who have a

psych a psych psychiatric ailment

where they are unnaturally

attracted sexually to children and I

think a lot of them not a lot of them

some of them recognize this ailment and

seek treatment some do not and some end

up becoming pedophiles and should end up

in prison. I think in some ways this is

worse in the sense that I think the

people guilty of having sex with

underage girls here while the term is

pedophilia what it is is a group of

people who feel they are not subject to

laws and the standards that everyone

else is subject to. I think they think,

"Oh, this is fun. It's a party and if I

have sex with an underage girl, I can

that's fun and it's a thrill and I can

do it because I am not subject to the

same standards and laws as everyone

else." Mhm.

>> So, while I think a lot of these people,

if in fact there was, and it appears

there was, criminal

uh rape, I I'm not sure they're

pedophiles, what they are is people

who've decided that because of their

money, power, and proximity to power

that they're not subject to any

standards whatsoever.

>> Party. Go ahead. Go ahead.

>> In my opinion, in some ways,

that's that's the sickness that infects

our powerful. Well, what's interesting

is how it cuts across party lines,

right? You have all these

Democratleaning people.

>> Yeah.

>> Kibbitzing with like a Steve Bannon,

kibbitzing with a this and that.

>> All unified around partying and having

sex with

>> St. Barts. Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Girls and stuff like that. That's what

was gross. I do think I I want to zero

in on the judgment thing here because

there is judgment of what you what you

should and shouldn't do. like, you know,

everyone knew what this guy was back

then. Trust me, they did and they went

anyway. And so, bad judgment on Bill

Gates's part, and I think Melinda Gates

has talked about this. Howard Lutnik

like literally went out of his way to

say what a good judgment he had by never

he had a massage day in his living room

and went bragged on how he rejected him

and then was at his place, stayed at his

house, was like super friendly. [ __ ]

that guy. like the judgment. I'm sorry.

There's there's more there than that.

The same thing with Peter Aia. I I feel

like everyone knew what was happening

here. And so there should be a you can

decide what you want to do with these

people, but there should be a price for

this level of it's in the same genre of

we can do whatever we want. Who cares?

You know, haha, you know, [ __ ] is low

carb. Like are you kidding me? Like I

mean it would be it's stupid joke if the

guy you were talking to was a sexual

predator, right? And so that's why I

find it a little more

>> I see I'm I'm less and it's safer just

to say this is awful and these people

should be cancelled. I do think that

people when they send private emails

should be granted a lot of license and

if they aren't guilty of a crime, you

can decide not to listen to their

podcast.

>> Yep. That's what I mean. I I think we

have a tendency to mix

criminal activity with poor judgment.

And I think you have to draw bright

lines between them. And I don't to me it

it just is like someone is

accidentally mentioned in the Epstein

files cuz they flew on a plane with

other people to some nonprofit event

talking about technology

>> and people who might have been

>> in the files there is report of an

individual

>> who impregnated an 11year-old.

>> Yeah. Yep.

>> I mean one is spend the rest of your

life in prison. The other was okay maybe

you should do more diligence on the

planes you're on.

>> Mhm. And it feels like it's all been

wrapped up into one amorphous blob.

>> I agree. I agree. But there are some

very clear lines when I'm talking about

Lutnik. He went out of his way to say

how much he hated the guy and then right

in the emails he did just we trying to

rewrite history.

>> Yes. He's a liar. Listen that that we

know. Same thing with Musk. He was just

fine. Just made Can't you just say I'm

You know who did that? Katie Kirk went

to a dinner at this at Epstein's house.

One of these dinners. He used to have

these like influencer dinners. She went

she said I should have done more

research. I apologize. I appre like she

just took she just took responsibility

for her stupid judgment there, right?

And I think that's fine. I don't think

we should like she

>> but it brings up a point. Should Katie

Kirrick do research on every dinner

invitation?

>> No, not necessarily. But when it when it

was came to pass, what it was very

clear, she apologized. She apologized

and said, "Oh, so dumb." You're not

hearing from Howard Let you're not

hearing from Peter Aia. Like I'm sure

he's engaged a very expensive crisis

manager uh here. But and then Elon SP,

he is spinning so hard.

>> He's got on the attack. He's trying to

pretend that he somehow was protected or

like was a just just so offended by

Jeffrey Epson. And can you believe what

Reed Hoffman did mean?

>> Yes. Over. Look over here. Yeah. Yeah.

I'm glad Reed slapped him back to last

Sunday because he's right, Elon. If you

actually cared about women, you'd you'd

have helped the victims financially

instead of giving money to Donald Trump.

You'd have gotten your non-consensual

sex off of Grock. But you don't care.

You don't care. You don't care. Like you

don't have an interest in.

>> But again, the really shocking thing to

me is, and I know very powerful and

wealthy people,

just the belief that they can just do

anything,

>> right?

>> And they're going to be immune.

>> I mean,

>> they do. They're like that.

>> I have friends who are who are um fairly

famous actors, and if they walk into a

scenario with a lot of women or a party

scene, they're like, "I can't be here. I

I I can't be here. I'm I'm not going to

do anything. I'm not even going to flirt

with anybody, but I can't be here

because if it hits the press, it'll

upset my wife. It will create um talking

points that aren't good. They will

insinuate. I mean, I know people who are

so careful and shape their lives

realizing that unfair unfair or not.

>> Picture a photo of you with

>> and then these guys Jeffrey Epstein.

these guys go to an island and start

having sex with underage women and

aren't worried are like believe that

this isn't going to come back to haunt

them.

>> There's also a lot of people that enable

them and one person that by the way I

searched you immediately. Um

>> in what in the Epste?

>> Yeah. No, that's one party I wasn't

invited to.

>> You weren't. Um but uh

>> did you really search for me?

>> I searched everybody.

>> Did you really search for me?

>> I did. I had to. I work with you. I have

to make certain.

>> Okay. All right.

>> Thank God.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> Come on. I search I search like 20 names

of people I know.

>> Season two gay hockey with the dog

brought. That's what you got to worry

about. I'm going to be an extra. My next

career fluffer for gay for gay badmitten

the new original series on HBO.

>> I welcome any joyful and sensual sexual

expression you want to have with Scott

Galloway's

age. At this point when I orgasm it's

just mist coming out. There's just

literally it's got to be a Pam Greer

film. A cattle fraud up my ass and

literally

>> the cattle fraud in

>> like a seal shake and I got to snort

Viagra.

>> I'm going to mention one

>> and watch Jackie Brown and then it's go

time. It's go time.

>> I would say the people that are worse

are not even worse, they're just as bad

are some of these enablers and I will

name them. John Brockman is throughout

it and I urge you to look up. He was a

guy who was involved with all these

intellectuals who were who Epstein was

funding. He ran a billionaire's dinner

at TED I have attended that uh he

obviously the facilitators these kind of

people uh have to be looked at too. The

way they they sort of facilitated what

you're talking about which is this very

easy peasy let's get together and talk

intellectual stuff which they loved. Let

me tell you, the reason you're seeing a

lot of tech people in this group, and

you are, is because they desperately

sought out um validation through

intellectual discourse. They used to

love having these events whether

whatever they happen to be. And thank

God, you know, one thing I did have our

our staff for our code conference look

every him up. He was on the wait list of

D5, the one with Gates and Jobs, and we

didn't let him in. I I remember not

particularly not letting him in. Um, but

he did somehow show up and talk to Tim

Cook on the sidelines of one of my

conference, which I wasn't aware of. It

was in the files, too. But he was

>> My view is you go my view is you go much

harder on the people who are criminals.

>> Yes.

>> And quite frankly, you go much lighter

on the people who

>> look you get invited by a billionaire to

go party on an island. If you see crime,

you'll leave.

>> But I don't I think a lot of people for

a lot of different re this guy had a big

sphere around technology. He was like an

octopus in terms of trying to meet

people and a lot of people facilitated

that for him.

>> Um,

>> so but there needs to be more prison and

more judgment around who was in the

wrong place at the wrong time.

>> Yes, I agree. But there's a lot of

people who knew exactly what they were

doing. So I think there there's a

there's there's it's a stack ranking of

what people were doing in some cases and

people like Peter Ay and others really

deserve some. You can censure him or

not, but I think he's grotesque. Anyway,

uh let's go on a quick break. When we

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Scott, we're back. President Trump has

made his pick for Fed chair. I predicted

it would mean most handsome of the white

guys, and I was right. The best chair.

Trump nominated uh former governor Kevin

Walsh on Friday calling him central

casting and says he'll go down as one of

the great Fed chairman may be the best.

Of course, he did say that about Jerome

Powell, although when he picked him,

Trump also joked during his speech this

weekend that he would sue Worsh if

interest rates didn't get lower. Morris

is set to take the reigns from Jerome

Powell in May, but he needs to get

through the Senate confirmation process

first, which might be hard because uh uh

Republican Senator Tom Tillis, who's

suddenly found his balls, is already

saying he's a no until the DOJ probe

into Powell is resolved. Good for him.

Tillis is really on fire. He's going to

use up all his troublemak before he

leaves. He was sort of shoved to the

side by Trump uh by threats from Trump,

but now he's but he's still in power, so

he can do something about it. So, talk

about this pick. Um, Worsh very briefly

popped up in the Epstein file that we

were missing on saying he was on a guest

list. St. Bart's Christmas 2010. Again,

what you were talking about, I get it. I

get it. In that case, that's it. So, uh,

I don't think that should necessarily be

it shouldn't be a factor unless more

stuff is found out. But,

>> uh, talk about this this pick. What do

you think about Warf?

I think it's I to be blind I think it's

a great pick given the context of who he

could have selected.

>> Right. That's true. Could have been Don

Jr.

>> Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if he

picked uh um you know Lara Trump. I I

>> he does my to give credit where it's

due. I think around these these big

financial appointments I think he shows

greater judgment around these

appointments than he does around others.

But essentially this guy, he's he's very

qualified. Uh he's been described as a

hawk. The fear around this appointment

was that it was someone who would be

subject to the political pressures of

the presidency would immediately start

cutting interest rates and begin

an upward spiral of inflation. And that

fear was sending metals to record highs.

Silver and gold have exploded. And the

best indication that the market likes

this pick is that when the pick was

announced, metals crashed or they pulled

back. This guy's known as a hawk. He

served as liaison between uh Bernani and

the Wall Street community during the '08

crisis which most people think was

handled really well. I like the fact he

has a reputation as a hawk. I love the

fact that these appointments I believe

>> Explain what a hawk is. He's got he's he

>> well someone who's more worried about

inflation than lower growth. someone who

will keep interest rates high longer

than maybe they should. They air on the

side of lower growth but less risk of

inflation. And everyone is really

worried that Trump is putting pressure

and would rather

>> think resist the pressure. He he saw

what's happened with Powell.

>> That's what's great about these

appointments is that they're they're

14year tenures.

>> I I get that. But like he could be

undergo what Powell's been undergone,

fake criminal probes, etc. As far as I

know, pal serving out his term and

hasn't bent an inch,

>> right?

>> I mean, and that's why it speaks to the

importance of the independence of the

Fed, but

>> well, you wonder what this guy said to

Trump, right? And why did he say he's

going to sue him? You know, that's all

weird. I find it weird.

>> There's something about the power and

we've seen this on the Supreme Court. A

lot of people show up with a history or

say one thing to the Senate and then

they get on the Supreme Court and they

take advantage of their lifetime

appointment and they behave differently.

>> Yeah. Uh, so

>> not in a good way.

>> Well, actually some of the older

appointees

>> became in from our viewpoint much more

progressive.

>> Well, look at Earl Warren. Remember I

mean

>> I mean they really did over time.

Think about what an incredible

luxury it is to just focus on to be

granted the tenure and this is this is

the basis of tenure in colleges

>> to just try and pursue the truth and and

to screen out as many external forces as

possible.

>> That is a luxury and it's reserved for

what people think is the most important

>> positions in the world including what

may be the most important position in

the world and that is the chairman of

the Federal Reserve. So I was actually

quite relieved when I saw this. I have a

bias. I like Morgan Stanley. Anyone who

ran M&A Morgan Stanley has a pretty

serious

>> Well, he's a serious candidate, right?

Cassid had been like genulecting. He had

knee pads on at one point, although he

was very considered a very prominent.

>> I was worried it was going to be the My

Pillow guy. I just wouldn't put anything

past this president right now. This is,

I think, a good pick. The markets like

it. He's an adult. He has a command of

the the markets. has a really good

relationship with Wall Street and I just

hope that he shows

>> I suspect they'll drop the Powell the

Pow Powell pro to get him through.

>> Well, here's the thing. Pal's going to

still be on the board of governors.

>> Yeah. Well, that's what they're trying

to do.

>> I don't I don't care who the chairman

is.

>> I don't care who the chairman is. The

biggest voice in the room is still going

to be Pal's.

>> Yep. Yep. Yep. We'll see. Anyway, good

hair, Kevin. And I picked I knew the

handsome man would win. Also, besides

the handsome man, I was right about Elon

planning to merge SpaceX and X AI.

That's is precisely what happened. The

acquisition will give the combined

company a valuation of 1.25 trillion.

Flimflamory works for Elon Musk.

Investors have also been pushing the

idea of bringing Tesla into this. Um,

obviously he had already merged Twitter

or X the service into XAI sort of to

hide it away in there. all their losses.

So now it's Twitter, SpaceX, and XAI.

And you can just imagine Tesla being

next. In in the scenario, XAI shares

would be swapped for SpaceX shares. Um,

just for people who don't know, SpaceX

is weighing a June IPO listing, could

seek to raise as much as $50 billion,

making it the biggest IPO of all time.

Um, and again, if that sounds a little

familiar, guess what? Cara Swisser

predicted it last April, cuz I know how

this guy thinks.

>> I've been doing research. She blew my

mind with the notion of a combined Tesla

XAI

>> and SpaceX,

you know, and I'm I'm just like that is

totally blown my mind about

>> good. As long as you attribute it to me,

just attribute it.

>> I I I do. But that the idea of him

merging all of those companies, like I

can't wrap my head around what that

would mean.

>> He's got to he's got it's the only move.

So, let's talk about that. I the reason

I thought about that was because he's an

internal flimflam man and he needed a

new narrative and this works out for

behind when he did the first Twitter XAI

merger. He just got rid of the problem

of everyone talking about what a shitty

business it was. Tesla's obviously

troubled. XAI is being upheld by the

valuations of of AI companies and SpaceX

is a is a real winner. So what do you

and and and you could make an argument

that they all fit together, right? Sure,

why not? like data things moving blah um

and he'll do it. So what do you what do

you think

>> after the disaster at Chernobyl uh where

radiation leaked for I guess hundreds or

thousands of square miles there's a lot

of farmland and a lot of a lot of

livestock and what they found was okay a

lot of the the beef and lamb and chicken

had traces of radiation from the

radiation leak at Chernobyl and the

Russian officials decided okay we're not

going to throw away this meat we're just

going to parse it out and send small

amounts ounce mixed in with non-radiated

meat to different to different grocery

stores because a little bit of radiation

as long as we mix it with non-raactive

meat is okay.

>> This is Musk basically taking his

radioactive meat and that is Tesla which

isn't 10x the value of what it should be

trading at. X AI which is sort of

working isn't and then wrapping it in

the non-raactive meat which is SpaceX

which in my opinion is one of the most

impressive companies with the greatest

differentiation in history right now 90%

of launch capability 2/3 of low earth

satellites and he's basically going to

take all of it and say okay autonomous

AI space launch capability

>> yeah moving

>> and take it all into one giant one giant

Musk AI I innovation

robots

>> that will get robots that will say this

is you have to own this company because

when you look at the

>> boop that's right when you look at Tesla

it's like okay it's an automobile

company that should be trading at 30

bucks a share not 400 or whatever it's

at when you look at XAI all right it's a

distance 7th LLM when you look at robots

those make no [ __ ] sense but if you

wrap all of that AI autonomous stew. Oh,

and Twitter, you know, a platform that's

probably worth 10 billion, not what he

paid.

>> Wrap it all into a communications

satellite, space launch, AI, automated

driving, and it's the kind of stock that

everyone has to own. So, this is an

attempt to create, you know, individual

ingredients, which some of which are

amazing and some of which have real

problems, and put it all into one stew.

I think it's a smart move, quite

frankly.

>> Sure. Duck. That's why I thought I think

like a a really a [ __ ] up flame plan

man. That's how I think, right? That's I

was like, "What?" I sit there and I go,

"What will he do?" Oh, that's how I

thought of That's exactly

>> Let's go brainstorm about it on an

island.

>> On an island.

>> I got this guy's really smart.

>> I was not on the island. I did not.

>> And he puts together these amazing

parties with like thought leaders. And

and by the way, I am so shocked I am not

on that list because the only reason I

get invited to Davos, I get invited to a

place like that. We're called I refer to

us. I say to I saw Jonathan height and I

saw Adam Grant at Davos. I'm like, "Do

you realize what we are?" And they're

like, "What?" I'm like, "We're

intellectual support animals. We're here

to make people feel

>> dancing [ __ ] dogs."

>> Yeah. We're [ __ ] poodles. We're d

We're Fifi the We're like dance for

dinner. We have Seo Black Rockck and

Chairman of Finland. Now, now tell us

something about young men. Can I tell

you so many powerful people texted me

like Scott's so amusing?

>> Amusing. That's the word I guess.

>> You know what I mean? Like he's so

interesting. I was like, "Oh my god,

he's totally your dancing monkey."

>> Yeah. That was my moment at Davos. I sit

next to a woman I have never met before.

>> Yeah.

>> And all of a sudden she starts going,

"Caris texting me and says, "I'm next to

you." And I'm like, "How the [ __ ] does

she know I'm here?"

>> Rich people.

>> You're like the East Germany. You know

every move.

Well, because they call, they text.

>> Who what's her name? She was lovely.

>> Dina Powell.

>> That's probably sexist. I wouldn't say

that about a man.

>> She's lovely. She is lovely. She's new

president of Meta, just so you know.

>> No. So, she started telling me what she

was doing and she was very measured. I'm

like, why are you choosing your words so

carefully? And then about five minutes

later, I'm like, "Oh, you're a shill for

Meta."

>> Oh, she's not a shill. We'll see.

>> She's trying to organize the bailout.

She's going to organize the bailout

attack.

>> Like anybody anybody who can get him

away from like

>> She's married to a senator. Talk about a

power couple.

>> David. Yeah, David. Yeah.

>> Thank God.

>> Yeah. He's McCormack. He was with Ray

Dallio, right? He was with Ray Dallio.

That's his Yeah.

>> Yeah. I think that's who he was with.

>> I can't believe you searched for me in

the files.

>> Why wouldn't I? Are you kidding? That

was numero in the files.

>> Uno. You Oh, come on. Whatever. In any

case,

>> I pay for my stuff.

>> We know why he's doing it. All right,

we're going to take I had to, you know,

>> trust but verify. Uh, Scott, let's go on

a quick break. When we come back, tons

of AI news.

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Scott, we're back now onto some rapid

fire news, AI news, because there's so

much. Let me go through them. Amazon is

reportedly discussing investment up to

$50 billion in open AI. Meanwhile,

Nvidia CEO Jensen Hong is pushing back

on reports that his company is looking

to scale back on its investment in Open

AI. And that was in the Wall Street

Journal. I thought it was an excellent

article. This all comes as Open AI is

seeking to raise over a hundred billion

dollars. It prepares for a public

listing in the fourth quarter. It's

trying to beat Anthropic to that punch.

Anthropic is clashing with the Pentagon

over whether its AI would be used for

surveillance and autonomous lethal

operations putting $200 million contract

at risk. Um, your choice Scott any of

the above.

>> I think the most fragile company with

respect to its valuation right now maybe

with the exception of Palunteer

is probably open AI. I think OpenAI is

racing to establish a leadership

position.

Uh but if you look at the fact it

doesn't have the fire hose of billions

of people built in that that Alphabet

has

uh I don't think and you look at they're

getting I think they're getting attacked

from the top and that is Alphabet and

Gemini which has doubled its share I

think in the last 18 months

>> which was inevitable right inevitable

>> but if you have a billion people or two

billion people a day coming to your

interface and you start introducing AI

>> that's just very powerful and then you

have micros it has a Netscape feel to

it.

>> And then you have um Microsoft which has

a recurring revenue relationship with

99.9% of the corporations above a

million dollars in revenue. They can

introduce really seamlessly different

things and then you have uh an adjacent

competitor and that is anthropic which

has gone after the enterprise market. So

to I think I've told you this and it's

the weakest flex in the world. I was on

the board of Gateway Computer and about

25 years ago if you asked analysts who

had better prospects, Gateway or Dell,

it was split and Gateway was at 70 bucks

a share anyways 15 years later was at.7

cents a share because they went consumer

and Dell went small and medium-sized

business and we know how the story ends.

The story may be unfolding the same way

and that is OpenAI has a consumer

offering but less than 5% of the people

actually go to the paid offering and

Anthropic has gone after the enterprise

market and quite frankly looks to be

beating Anthropic in the enterprise

market

>> but but it is fighting with the

Pentagon. It's interesting because he's

becoming the most interesting character

Daario Amodi in terms of talking about

safety. He's sort of everyone sort of

attacked him for that, especially that

dope David Sachs. But I think actually

he's he's opening a lane as the safe AI

company, right?

>> Well, that used to be Alman's lane,

>> right? Exactly. But now he's got it

right. He's opening a lane where

everyone's like, "All right,

>> agreed. They're the they're the clean,

well-lit corner of the AI bookstore

right now is

>> anthropic." And also going after

enterprise looks to be the smartest

thing. Enterprise wants that enterprise,

you know, why be in the surveillance and

autonomous lethal operations business if

you can do just as fine selling.

>> Yeah. Just get your media buyers at

L'Oreal to be more productive. So my

friend Greg Schau is the CEO of section

which helps enterprises upscale for AI

had he said something that just struck

me. He said open AI has basically 12

months to get massive consumer adoption

because or enter or or start which he

doesn't think it's going to do because

people like there's too many free LLMs

>> or they're going to have to come up with

incredible enterprise adoption or

there's absolutely no way they can

justify this this consensual

hallucination that they're going to go

public at one or one half trillion

dollars.

>> Isn't there a desperation for such

stocks? Do you think you'll have a situ,

you know, with Elon merges all these

things, everyone's going to buy it. Will

everyone not buy this?

>> The only thing is,

>> would you Scott Galloway want, of

course, you just got rid of GPT, so

you're not allowed to cuz they want you

to virtue signal the right way.

>> Yeah, but you forget I'm a [ __ ] Once

March 1 comes along, it's back to big

daddy warbuck [ __ ]

>> No,

>> but this is what this is the existential

risk to open AI right now. They want to

be the leader. I think Sam Alman maybe

correctly has said there's there can

only be one in the world of AI, but he's

getting attacked from above and that is

big big industrial strength

conglomerates in tech that have a

built-in multi-billion dollar consumer

base that they can they can point that

fire hose of people at their AI

offering. They're getting attack from

below and that is Chinese openweight

models which are free which by the way

are technically pretty close.

>> Yeah. So the fear is the following or

the bullc case is that this company is

an incredible product. It's growing like

crazy. It's doing all these big

visionary deals. It is an amazing

product. I was using it every day. And

everybody feels like they've got to go

in on the market leader in AI, which

Alman has done a good job of associating

brand leadership with OpenAI and Chat

GPT. The risk is that before they go

public in the disclosure documents that

the SEC mandates, it's going to be clear

that everybody else is starting to eat

their lunch,

>> right? That Gemini continues Gemini

>> Gemini continues to gain market share

that there's an entire market of people

that go for the open weight free models,

right? And people say, "Okay, this is a

great little company, but it should be

acquired by somebody not worth a

trillion half dollars as a standalone

company."

>> Acquire from your pers.

>> No one at this point. It's too

expensive.

>> Yeah. Right. Unfortunately,

>> that the other day,

>> unfortunately, it'd have to be written

down

>> a lot. And then there'd be all sorts of

antitrust arguments. Yeah.

>> But he has and he knows it too. He's

doing big deals. He's spending a ton of

money. He's trying to get the best

talent because there's a general belief

here that there's the gold medal. This

literally is when we call this Hunger

Games economy, the Hunger Games is the

right analogy and that is whoever wins

here gets all sorts of parades and gets

to live a wonderful life and whoever

doesn't win is going to die a slow

death. And that's the approach he's

taking.

>> You're right. I think you're right here.

Absolutely. We'll see what happens. Um

he they are headed for the IPO though.

um Trump and his family. This story we

have, we cannot stress this story of

corruption and the Trump family enough.

He has now pulled in 4 billion dollars

linked to his presidency. Much of that

comes from crypto and foreign deals that

leverage his presidential status. Last

year, an investment firm with ties to

the UAE bought nearly half of the Trump

family's crypto company, making the two

business partners. Eric Trump signed the

agreement with the firm for $500 million

investment days before uh Trump's

January 2025 inauguration. We did a chip

deal with them. He he recently said he

he found out nobody cared about his

international business activity while in

office. You know what? We do care. You

you know this is a guy as I say

accusation is a confession who went on

and on about Hunter. Hunter Biden didn't

have enough imagination as doing corrupt

things and didn't have much pull. This

is a a fullscale

corrupt regime that is using their

status to to to to feather their nest.

It's also bad for national security. All

all manner of things is hurtful to the

United States. Uh you know, he does it

all the time, whether he's suing the IRS

for 10 billion or closing the Kennedy

Center because he ran that into the

ground. But this is really, you know, he

does that's all h you know, jazz hands

compared to what's happening here.

Thoughts? Yeah, the Republicans thought

it was an impeachable offense or

required a special counsel because uh

President Biden implicitly or explicitly

used his influence such that his son

Hunter Biden could get on the board of a

Ukrainian energy company and made about

4 or 600 grand. There is no reason why

Hunter Biden should be on the board of

any company other than his proximity to

the president, even if he leveraged that

contact or didn't. And there's no

evidence he did. But everyone's hair was

on fire. And now we have an individual

who is raking in billions. And it's not

only him. Wickoff's kids.

And Wickoff was investing

getting people the UAE to invest in a a

a crypto company that is kids control.

And then what do you know a few weeks

later the sale of our most sensitive

chips that are security concern for fear

that the UAE who has a strong

relationship with China begins to leak

that sensitive information that powers

nuclear guidance systems powers

submarines.

I mean the level I got to give it to

them. They're like here's the problem in

America. If you run a stop sign you get

shamed.

If you if you start killing hundreds of

people, there's some sort of weird

leadership quality around it. It's it's

like don't commit a for God's sakes,

don't commit a misdemeanor.

>> Mhm.

>> Commit, you know, commit mass murder and

be unashamed about it and then the next

day commit another crime where it all

gets lost in the noise.

>> Well, that's what he said. Found out

nobody cared, especially

internationally. But, you know, and then

killing all those people through USAD,

the millions of people who will die. I

mean, the kind of damage and and and

feathering, nest feathering is really

quite astonishing. And that leaves out

all the pardons he gives to people who

are who who knows. I mean,

>> I sat next to one of those guys

>> gives him three million bucks. I've said

this before. Car if if Louis or Alex or

Alec or Nolan are four sons, I'll I'll

do I'll go with the older ones. If one

of them [ __ ] up and ended up in

prison, I'm a 100% confident that with a

million to three million bucks, we could

get him out of prison.

>> Yeah.

>> Find find an indirect route into a

meeting with one of Trump and his

acolytes and say, I'm about to buy 1 to3

million in Trumpcoin or I'm about to

give you a $2 million gift for the new

east swing. And I think within three to

six months they're out.

>> Yeah.

>> That's where we are.

>> And here's the thing. It creates you're

going to have more Epstein islands.

Yeah.

>> You're going to have fewer small

businesses that feel start because

they're worried about the rule of law.

You know, the rich are protected by the

law but not bound by it. All the rest of

us are bound by the law but not

protected by it.

>> And in addition, foreign companies

aren't going to want to invest in

American companies for fear that the

rule of law

>> is not going to apply to American

investment.

>> He is it's all going to be for the

Trump's benefit but not for the United

States of America. That's really you

have to understand this everybody. This

is this is the actual game besides all

the everything else. This is the actual

game. Anyway, one more quick break.

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>> Okay, Scott. Wins and fails. You want me

to go first?

>> You go first. Well, I was going to do

the Kennedy Center, but I don't really

like the Kennedy Center. I never did.

But he's he's going to close it and fix

it after he ran it into the ground with

his stupid minion, Rick Canrell. Nobody

wanted to go there. Um, you know,

whatever. He just he's failed the

business and so he's closing it down.

It's like Trump's stake or something. I

don't know if he can close it down.

We'll see. But, um, just gross. That's

it's a gross sidlight. The many things

he's done. Um, and uh, we'll see. We'll

see what happens there. But actually,

you know, I would get more serious.

Congresswoman uh Kelly Morrison of

Minnesota posted the following uh on

Blue Sky. My office has been flooded

with reports of cruel, unsafe, unlawful

conditions inside the Whipple detention

facility in Minneapolis. This weekend, I

was finally granted access to perform

oversight. And when she went in, it's

grotesque. I mean, it's absolutely

grotesque of how they're they're not

just abusing these populations and

they're about to go do that in Ohio, but

they are um they're they're abusing them

once they get in there to in order to

get them to self-epport. Um the cruelty

these Let me just tell you, all you

people, people will you will you will be

judged someday. Maybe not today, but

someday you will this will all come out.

And what you've done here is so heinous.

uh to young people. The young the young

kid with that adorable hat did get out

uh finally, but it was only under

pressure to get him out um who was taken

in Minnesota and brought I think to

Texas. Um but there's he's just one kid

and the only reason he got out is so

much of the attention because of that

photograph. But there's other kids

sitting there, thousands and thousands

of children. And uh what you have done

is so shameful um and so horrible. And I

just hope there's more photographs and

more for people to understand the level

of depravity um and what they're doing

to those people um who are here, most of

whom are here, worked hard, have

contributed to our country um and uh

it's just it makes me sick to my

stomach. Um for a positive thing, uh I

really enjoyed the Grammys. I did. I

watched them last night. I thought they

were

>> Oh, did you enjoy it?

>> Yeah, I did. It was fun. Although

President Trump was threatening to sue

Trevor Noah over his Epstein joke uh at

the Grammys, I thought he was great.

Trevor Noah was great. I found it very

entertaining. I thought the performances

were terrific. I thought Justin Bieber

was did a great I mean he was sort of

naked. He was he looks good. Um he was

wearing silk boxers only and I thought

that was quite beautiful. I thought Lady

Gaga was amazing. Reba McIntyre

performed and I love Reeba McIntyre. So

I liked it. It felt really good and it

wasn't virtue signaly the way the Oscars

can be. I found the speeches very

heartfelt and um simple. They kept it

simple. They a lot of god loving too by

the way. U but I liked it. I really

enjoyed it. I thought it was great.

>> I stopped caring about the Grammys when

Michael Sty stopped singing and opened a

health food store in Athens, Georgia.

Rick Oasich died and George Michael

died. I have no interest in and Tom

Petty died from an opioid overdose.

Music is dead to me.

>> Sabrina Carpenter didn't get anything

but and I thought she was delightful

also by the way. Anyway, go ahead.

>> Well, uh, I'll start with my loss or

fail. I interviewed Neil Ferguson, who I

really like and is a friend, but he has

a narrative which I disagree with, and

it's a narrative that's been adopted by

the Trump administration.

And also, and I would argue it's just

paring a Russian talking point, and that

is this this notion that this war is

unsustainable for Ukraine. It's

unwininnable, and they should strike the

best deal they can right now. And that

is the same narrative that was

expectated and vomited all over the

media three years ago. And guess what?

Since then, in the last two years,

Russia has only increased their

occupancy or their acquisition of land

by 1%. A snail could literally, and this

is true, move faster than the Russian

army. And if you want to talk about

unsustainable for somebody, this is

unsustainable for Russia. And there are

days where they are losing a thousand

men a day. their wartime economy is

running out of money. So, this war is

unsustainable, but it's unsustainable

for Russia. And this narrative that

somehow that Ukraine has been backed

into a corner and needs to come up or

swallow hard and accept a peace deal

that is just scheduling the next war,

not preventing it, is [ __ ] This war

is unsustainable, but it's unsustainable

for Russia as long as the West continues

to support push back on a murderous

autocrat. And it really bothers me this

narrative of well Ukraine should just

take the deal they can right now because

this war is unsustainable. [ __ ]

They have been kicking Russia in the

nuts literally and figuratively and they

are in my view they are winning this

war. And so this narrative from straight

out of Sergey Lavough that it's

unsustainable.

It's unsustainable for Ukraine. They

can't manage this. Well, guess what

folks? They seem to have put all that to

rest. all those doubts for the last

three and a half years. This is

unsustainable for Russia and we should

start speaking as if the Ukrainian army

is speaking from a position of strength,

which they are.

>> I like Scott. I know you like Neil

Fergus and I find him to be a contrarian

for contrarian sake and I like your

contrarianness better. Yeah, but Neil

Neil brings history and it's important

to have this type of dialogue and he and

I again agree on almost nothing

geopolitically, but I learn from him and

quite frankly it it it strengthens and

creates texture around my beliefs and I

think that's important and plus he's a

huge he's a huge we both are really

upset about the the the World Cup um

draw for Scotland. We're in the same

group as Morocco and Brazil. Anyways,

both he and I love team Scotland.

Anyway, my win

>> because I'm cancelling Paramount Plus

today. I watched all episodes of

Landmen.

>> Uhhuh.

>> Oh my god. I think I'm Republican now.

It's it's it's literally whoever that

guy is, he's Rupert Murdoch of

entertainment. He's like all this

[ __ ] liberal crazy [ __ ]

>> with all this redistribution of virtue

>> on on prime time streaming programs. I

am the Fox News of Scripted

Entertainment.

>> You know what? He's much more complex

than that. But go ahead. He's not

actually.

>> I don't think so. I think basically

>> he's not actually.

>> Oh, come on. This is I'm telling you

this is basically many a person.

>> I'm sure you've interviewed him. I have

this is basically succession if nobody

went to college or HR was a rumor.

>> It's a great show.

And I love the fact that all the the fe

every female character

>> crazy

>> exists solely to roll their eyes, sleep

with the wrong man or remind us that

feelings are inconvenient.

>> He's really bad on women.

>> And that every woman is in a state of

perry menopause. I mean

>> watch Yellowstone with the daughter.

She's a hot mess.

>> I can't I can't do Kevin Cosner. I've

just never loved

>> I'm telling you he loves hot mess

ladies. I like I do like I love I like

his stuff but he's a little more complex

than that. I'm glad it makes me feel

better about myself because it's like

every crisis can be solved by a phone

call, a threat,

>> or Billy Bob leaning back and explaining

why

>> to me more. I like her character.

>> I don't buy that John Ham would be in a

relationship with her.

>> I don't buy it.

>> He's so good-looking.

>> Well,

>> he's so God, he's

>> one with Jennifer Anderson on the

morning show. He played an Elon Musk

character, as you know. I like

>> his career really t

>> I love I met him at the morning show

party. He's a lovely guy, I have to say.

We had a lovely

>> Mad Man is still for me my second

probably my second second favorite

scripted drama after

>> he's a handsome [ __ ] man

>> after Breaking Bad. He's a He's a God,

he's so good looking.

>> He's a he's hugely tall, too, just so

you know. Very tall.

>> Yeah, he was also great in the most

recent uh series of uh or season of

Fargo. That was really good.

>> Yeah, he's a he's a very he's he's he

does a lot better work than he should

because he's so good-looking. He could

do a lot less good work because he's so

good.

>> Yeah. No, I learned that an oil patch is

everything about an oil patch. It's

brutally honest. There also oil is

unfairly maligned and it's

>> also run by a bunch of people who've

been divorced exactly once.

>> Okay.

>> It's Anyways, it

I love it because it gives me hope

because it's a story it's a story about

men who are never wrong but always get

laid.

>> Yeah.

>> It's just the perfect It's the perfect

series for a man. Oh, and I I This guy

is the Rupert Murdoch of scripted

television. He came in. He recognized

the biggest opportunity was just to go

Paramount. He's at Universal now with

all the virtual signalers. He likes them

better.

>> He's left. He's gone. That was one [ __ ]

up by David Ellison. I have to say he's

left to go over to dot the into the into

the more elegant uh relationship with

Donald Langley over there. She

>> It's Billy Bob Thornton telling us why

the oil business is the last honest

thing in the world.

>> I know. I know. But I It's just a story.

Anyway,

>> anyway, I my win.

>> I did I did basically 18 hours of

landmen this weekend.

>> Heated rivalry.

>> I am Republican now. Now, now we need

you back. Watch Heated Rivalry

>> and I immediately made a campaign

donation to Senator Ted Cruz as soon as

I was done. No,

>> you didn't.

>> But it's entertaining. I mean, it's

Billy Bob Zordon's fantastic. Anyway, uh

that was good. That was really good. We

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call 85551 pivot. Elsewhere in the Cara

and Scott universe this week and on with

Cara Swisser, I spoke with Ben Collins,

the CEO of The Onion, we talked about

the importance of not being afraid to

stand up against the Trump

administration right now. Let's listen

to a clip. the people who have caved

since the start of this universities,

news organizations, everybody who who is

like, "Okay, sir, what do you need?"

They just kept stepping on them

afterwards. They just kept going.

>> They did. They did.

>> I'm not going to I'm not going to tell

this staff to change what they're doing

>> at all. Like, they are doing uh they're

going as hard as they want. Um and if

they come to me with a 50-50 ball, I say

go for it. Like,

>> and if they come to me with a big idea,

I'm like, "Let's find funding. Let's

find a sponsor. Let's find a thing to

that to make sure that this thing can

happen.

>> And Scott, before we go, we want to hear

one more thing. Let's listen to a

voicemail we got.

>> Hey there, Carara. I heard the I heard

you talk about the uh message the woman

left on your voicemail.

Uh what a [ __ ] Really, I mean, you are

fantastic.

I'm in love. And if you weren't already

married, I would be courting you. So

smart, so ruthless, so truthful, so

refreshing. Love you. Love you. Love

you, Scott. You are a smartass.

Uh, I can listen to some of the stuff

you say and I agree with some of the

stuff you say, but honestly, dude,

some of it is just like, o.

Anyway, Cara, love you. Scott, you're

lucky you're working with this woman.

That's just for me.

>> Yeah. So, let me guess who picked that

clip.

>> No, I love that. That was

>> Look, look at how happy you are.

>> Well, because the other woman said,

>> it's like when I It's like when my

ex-wife and I decided to get therapy and

my therapist within 10 seconds is like,

"You're selfish and have unreasonable

expectations of what marriage is about."

And I'm like, "Well, I'm enjoying this.

I'm enjoying this." Oh, that's because

Michelle Obama liked you. I just said,

it was very funny. It was a reaction

that anyway, thank you for that.

>> So, what if I want to have sex with

other women?

>> My god.

>> I love our listeners. Anyway, we love

that.

>> People hate you and love me and some

people love you and hate me. It's

perfect. It's great. Some people love us

both.

>> Something for everybody.

>> Yeah, something for everybody.

>> Sweet or savory.

>> I enjoy our listeners. Anyway, that's

the show. Thanks for listening to

>> how happy you are. Look at you. Look.

Look, look. I've never seen You're

giddy.

>> You're giddy. Child,

you know what? I was so happy.

>> I can't believe you're actually worried

about that.

>> Why not? It's like that interesting.

>> So many people are in those [ __ ]

files. You had to look.

>> I stay home and I watch Euphoria. That's

the most sexual experience I have.

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