I just heard about the H3 verse Idubbbz

defamation lawsuit and spent the last

three or so hours learning about it and

getting into the nitty-gritty figuring

out all the bits and pieces and getting

all the morsels of information I could

find to really put the nipple clamps on

it and figure out what what all the

hoopla is. And it is a real thing. The

pugilistic legal paperwork has been

filed against Idubbbz. So now they're

going to duke it out. Not with knuckle

sandwiches, but with extremely expensive

litigation. Off rip, before I even get

into the spaghetti and meatballs of the

actual story here, there is just

something that pets my peeves. There is

something that grinds my gears, greases

my cheeks so much I can't resist yapping

about it briefly. When I was in the

trenches digging around for information

about what all of this is about, I kept

seeing people say that I refuse to cover

these kind of things for a variety of

different reasons. I'm ignoring it. This

and that.

I don't know how many more times I need

to say this. I am just really not online

that much these days. The only streams I

watch are like the Summer Games Fest and

like events like that, but I don't watch

streams. I don't watch a lot of YouTube

and I don't go on Twitter like at all. I

still have Twitter because I send and

reply to DMs through there sometimes for

like events. Like Tyler won's League of

Legends tournament. I heard from him on

Twitter DM, so I have it for reasons

like that, but I don't like doom scroll

Twitter and see a bunch of things

anymore. Look at the last tweet I made.

So like I don't see a lot of these

things that are going on anymore. But

for some reason, everyone jumps to, oh,

he must be ignoring it. He's got to be

ignoring it. We can really tell a lot

about this guy from the things he

refuses to cover. I just don't see them.

The things I do hear about come from my

friends sending them to me or when I

stream stream chat telling me about

them, putting them on my radar. But if

neither of those two avenues show it to

me or tell me about it, I just never

hear about it. And I'm not even a

[ __ ] streamer anymore. Not full-time.

I'm like a semi-retired streamer. I

stream sometimes and sometimes I'll

stream like three, four days in a row.

But basically what I do now is I just

play like old school games. like a lot

of retro games or a lot of Steam come

dumpster games, like actual trash. So,

like I'm not even really a streamer, so

I don't even see a lot of that either.

So, like it's not me avoiding uh certain

things for a nefarious reason. I just

literally don't ever hear about it, so I

never learn about it. Now, there is some

stories that I do hear about and get

really invested in, like uh Bricks and

Mini Figs versus Reckless Ben. I've been

very glued to that one. Had my finger on

the pulse of, but that was something I

was put on my radar by friends and

stream chat. So genuinely, I am just not

online that much. So I don't see a lot

of it. So, with that out of the way, I

did spend like the last 3 hours learning

about this defamation lawsuit between H3

and Idubbbz because that did sound

pretty concerning because there's always

been like an unwritten rule on the

internet, not just YouTube, where if

there's beef online, it stays online and

you handle it online without, you know,

going over that threshold, the event

horizon of trying to use litigation to

silence your opponent or something like

that. That had always been etched in the

stone tablets, the [ __ ] Ten

Commandments of online discourse. And

now all of a sudden, I'm hearing about

H3 suing Idubbbz for defamation. So

obviously I wanted to hear more about

that. And after diving in, hitting that

cannonball into the pool, I learned he

has a lot of active lawsuits. I think

it's five, maybe six against other

streamers and YouTubers.

So, it's it it's a bit of a rampage he's

been on. I knew about one before all

this, which was against the Snark

community that I did hear about. And

that one made a lot of sense to me.

Actually, the Snark community, from what

I recall, was doing some diabolical like

harassing, stalking stuff, sending CPS.

I remember that. And like human skulls,

those things I recalled from like the

Snark community. So it made sense that

he would pursue litigation there cuz

that is highly illegal [ __ ]

psychopath behavior. So that one I

remember and that one made sense to me.

But when I was learning about these

other ones, I granted I haven't dove too

deep into all those cuz this is clearly

a lot. I was mainly focused on the

defamation one. But man, Ethan Klein has

become like the Nintendo of YouTubers.

He is extraordinarily latgious. Anyway,

enough blabbering. What started this

defamation lawsuit was this Idubbbz

stream.

>> Okay, this is my watermark for the

stream.

I don't want any of my content being

stolen.

Got another couchy ad. I'm sorry,

Fazium. We're all getting cowi ads these

days. It's okay. So, I do want to say I

don't agree with what's being said in

this um comment here. Uh, but I I'm

putting it on screen because I think it

should be addressed because it's a big

bold accusation that's very [ __ ] up.

>> It is very [ __ ] up and it's despicable

that he would think it's a good idea to

post that there while knowingly aware

that it's not true. So, the message

isn't Ian's. This comes from Destiny.

And he found this screenshot and he kept

it on screen for a very long time. and

he said he didn't agree with it but

thinks it needs to be addressed because

it's so [ __ ] up. It is a terrible

stream. Just giving it to you real

blunt, real raw. It is no good.

And I'm no stranger to getting [ __ ]

talked by Idubbbz. He has said some very

nasty, very untrue things about me on

his broadcast as well. But what is being

reported in regards to this stream isn't

exactly telling the whole story. Now,

when I first heard of this lawsuit, I

was reading a bunch about it, but I

wanted more information like directly

associated with it to make sure I wasn't

getting like fraudulent or misleading

[ __ ] fed to me. So, I reached out to

someone whom I know is on the H3 team.

And uh Ethan did hear about that. So, he

did talk directly about me on his show

and challenge me on a few things and I

did eventually get to talk directly with

Ethan and I shared my full perspective

on things and the problems I had around

it and my concerns and got his

perspective on things to see if there

was any misunderstandings and such. Uh,

ultimately I I don't think we fully saw

eye to eye on this, which, you know,

that's going to happen. And I fully

understand that this is a very

emotionally charged subject for him

after everything him and his family have

went through with snarkers in

particular. I know that the CPS and the

human skulls incident are like a

legitimately traumatizing thing. Like

the fraudulent CPS call. Like I I get

how inexcusable and abhorrent that is. I

really do. But I just truly don't

believe that this lawsuit is in any way,

shape, or form helpful to anyone outside

of the lawyers. They're [ __ ] smiling

ear to ear. They're salivating right

now, literally drooling with a bib on,

but it's harmful to I think literally

everyone involved and does have

potential ramifications for others way

outside of it. I have never and will

never be a fan of extreme litigation and

I have always been vocally advocating

against creators going that nuclear path

and I always will. Of course, there are

cases where it is understandable. Like I

said, going after the snarkers that sent

a fraudulent CPS thing through and the

skulls and stuff, that one I do

understand. But this one, I could never

support that. And I I just can't see the

real just cause behind it. And I think

it is a terrible example for other

creators in the space to follow where

maybe they believe that even though this

is about like a Canadian defamation

lawsuit, well maybe they can try their

luck in the States. You know, it's not

like defamatory lawsuits are exclusive

to Canada. There's better protections

here, no doubt. But still, if they take

from this that maybe the way to fight

battles online is to go the latigious

route, well then it's just a huge mess

across the board. I think it is just a

very bad precedent. Even if, you know,

the lawsuit doesn't end in a victory for

him. This way of engaging with

discourse, I think, has always been

frowned upon, but for some reason is

starting to get some more support behind

it. And I just fully disagree with it. I

think that this is genuinely just a like

big threat across the board to just the

entire space. Like if discourse becomes,

you know, fearful of like litigation

flying back and forth, it's going to

stifle a lot of voices and stifle some

very like legitimate criticism down the

line. It's just not something I want to

see become common place. Now, I did also

have a brief conversation with Idubbbz

about this as well, letting him know

that this really is a horrible thing

that he did to try and make his point,

and he agreed. He said that it was a

legitimately awful thing that he did to

make that point and that it was a

genuine, sincere apology that he was

issuing and how regretful he was from

it. So, I did have a conversation with

both sides of this to make sure I had

like a full clear picture of where

everything was and what this was all

about.

>> I don't I don't know how it works in

Canada if the complaint is public or

what, but if you look at it, he um

emphasizes throughout that he does think

it's a serious accusation that needs to

be investigated and that he doesn't

think it's a joke. Right. Um now, I know

people people are like, "Well, why don't

you sue Destiny for saying it?" Well,

Destiny

made it immediately. First of all, this

is a comment from Destiny like made in

passing. Ian put it on his screen for

two hours during his main broadcast.

Destiny made it clear that he was not

being serious, right?

Um, pretty much immediately after

writing it, like nobody was like, "Yo,

Destiny made this claim that Ethan

molested his children. Oh shit." No.

people knew that when Destiny said it

was like in it was he was just being a

[ __ ] or I mean he was being a giant

[ __ ] piece of [ __ ] right? But he

immediately afterwards made it clear

that he didn't actually think that. But

Ian took that and just because you're

showing what someone else said does

doesn't make it not defamation because

you're showing essentially uh this

accusation bear of context and um

and also kind of saying that you think

it's true right

>> now. After hearing Ethan explain that, I

actually made the noble sacrifice of

going back and watching the entire

Idubbbz stream segment with this in it

when he was talking about it.

Boy, howdy. I'm not a hero. It was

brave, but I don't need your flowers.

That was agonizing. It was heinous even.

It was brutal. This whole segment where

he was talking about that, I think was

really, really rough. But I don't recall

at any point throughout it him actually

trying to argue that it's a legitimate

thing or trying to convince his audience

that it's real. So, I know one of the

big things is that it came from Idubbbz

who has actually met Ethan and his

family. So, there's like this air of

credibility around him saying something

like this, but that's just not true.

He's not even trying to say anything

about it is credible, even outright says

that it's not, that he doesn't agree

with it. So, he's not trying to present

it as a real argument based on, you

know, any of his experiences knowing

Ethan and his family.

>> Also, I do I will say that I think Ethan

Klein is uh terrified of this guy. So,

it just kind of like legit it's it is to

me it's super funny

uh that uh he he has so much smoke for

everyone that he thinks he can bully but

the person that he's [ __ ] terrified

he just keeps very overtly running from

and it's like yeah

>> now while Ethan is 100% correct that

Idubbbz says that this is a big

allegation that Ethan should be

addressing he's not doing it earnestly

or at least At least I don't think he

was. It's actually really kind of hard

to tell. The whole segment was [ __ ]

awful. And the point he was trying to

make was really dog shittily done. But

what he's trying to say is that clip

right there at the end where Destiny

said this extremely outrageous,

outlandish, disgusting thing about Ethan

and yet Ethan doesn't have smoke for

him, but he does for the other people

that he's gone after through lawsuits.

I'm pretty sure that's the point he was

trying to make by putting that on

screen. Like, look, Destiny has said

something absolutely despicable, yet you

don't have that same energy for him as

you do for for the others. Unless I've

blanked out and like erased moments from

my memory from this segment. I don't

recall him saying that this is like a

serious thing. He believes in is and is

presenting it as such like about Ethan

is this and this is a real allegation

that really has a lot of water to it.

Now, this doesn't change the fact that

what Idubbbz did here is completely

awful. To try and make this point using

that kind of comment with something as

monstrously evil as that is just so

[ __ ] low. It is. But I don't believe

it's how Ethan is necessarily explaining

it to everyone where Idubbbz is really,

you know, believing in this. You know,

Idubbbz came over to my house, he met my

family, now he's going out there saying

these things. It is extremely scummy cuz

he did meet his kids and everything. And

now he's putting a comment out there

like that. That is very scummy. But he's

not using it to try and make this claim

that Ethan is those things. He's trying

to use that to show that Destiny has

said something. so [ __ ] terrible, yet

you are not approaching him with the

same energy you have everybody else.

That is the point he was trying to make,

I think, throughout that segment. At

least from everything that I saw when

watching it. Granted, it was very hard

to sit through, but I'm pretty sure

that's what he was trying to get at with

that there. But I think that was a

terrible way of going about it. Now,

Ethan also addresses why he's not suing

Destiny as well. and he's saying because

Destiny cleared up that he wasn't being

serious right away. I don't understand

that. I'm not going to lie. That's not

making sense to me. Can't wrap my noodle

around it. It's not computing. I think

it is a very disgusting statement 100%.

He's not wrong for feeling like this is

a terrible thing that's being said about

him. That is a line you don't cross

talking about people's children in a

manner like this. It's gross. It is

gross. So then why is this defamation

lawsuit reserved exclusively for Idubbbz

with a nice big bow on it but not also

extended to Destiny the genesis of that

comment? Does that not just prove the

point that I believe Idubbbz was trying

to make in the first place, which is

Destiny, for some reason can say these

atrocious abhorrent things about Ethan.

And for some reason, Ethan doesn't have

the same anger towards Destiny as he

does someone like Idubbbz. Now, I guess

with Idubbbz, you could then say, well,

Idubbbz actually did meet his children

and stuff, so it's an extra level of

[ __ ] up, which is fair. I do

completely agree. does add another

[ __ ] up rancid layer to this lasagna

here where he did actually know Ethan

and his family and would use a a comment

like that to try and make his statement

about like being soft on Destiny or

whatever. But I still just don't

understand why Ethan is willing to just

be like, "Yeah, but Destiny, you know,

cleared up that he wasn't being serious.

He was just goofing around. He was just

being a dickhead."

What if the reason truly is that

Canada's laws around defamation are

significantly more lax and thus you have

a case in Canada but not the US? Then to

me that tells me that it's not really a

defamation case worth pursuing. And if

you're not going after Destiny for these

comments, but you will for Idubbbz

trying to make a different point about

it. Again, I want to make it clear. I

think the way Idubbbz went about doing

this point is [ __ ] atrocious. I don't

know how much more clear I can make, but

he wasn't trying to argue the legitimacy

of the claim or anything like that. It

was to show that you're very soft on

Destiny, but not others, and used that

outrageously gross comment as an example

of it. But if you're going after Idubbbz

solely because you know you can get a

defamation case win because of Canada's

laws not being as protective as the US

is. That's why you don't go after

Destiny, then that to me says that you

are just trying to take advantage of

those laws, the lack the lax nature of

those laws in Canada to get revenge on

someone that has wronged you.

>> I said from the beginning that any if

people want to go after my children

then, you know, the rules of engagement

have changed forever. And that's what I

said then.

And when um you know

when Ian broadcast this, I sent him a

cease and desist because I mean there's

certain things that you don't say and

you don't do and lines you don't cross.

And um they flaunted it. They didn't

take it seriously. And um I totally

understand that if someone is going to

cross that line going after like your

children or your family, I get being

upset about that. Absolutely. But you're

saying that the rules of engagement have

changed. for everyone but Destiny

because he is the one that made the

comment and you are like totally just

okay with being like, "Ah, but he

cleared up that he wasn't serious. He

cleared up he was just being a

dickhead."

I it's it's just not making sense. And

if Idubbbz throughout that stream

segment was going on and on about how

like actually serious this is and how

much he really believes in it, trying to

convince his audience that it's true,

trying to like lead some kind of like

investigation against you, like a like

another CPS visit, like another

fraudulent visit from CPS, then I would

totally understand pursuing like

litigation against that to stop it. Now,

but from what I saw in that stream,

there was nothing of the sort. And he

did outright say that he doesn't believe

it and that he was only saying that it

should be addressed as a way of pointing

to you not wanting to engage with

Destiny because you're afraid of

Destiny. At least that's how it seemed

from all of that garbage I sat through

there. I'm pretty sure that's what he

was getting at.

Now he does mention a cease and desist

here, which they did send a cease and

desist to Idubbbz. And it does seem like

Idubbbz was [ __ ] filled with

jubilation upon receiving it. I've seen

a couple of clips where he was like

really nonchalant about it. Almost

seemed kind of happy about it. Maybe he

thought it'd be like a big boom of

exposure or something. I really don't

know who would celebrate something like

that. But yeah, it seemed like he wasn't

taking it seriously. And uh he did

eventually come out and say like he

really regrets doing this segment and

like how bad it was and that he did make

like an apology for doing it, thinking

he went too far. But it did take a

while. And it's worth mentioning that

his community Idubbbz like his stream

chat and like the people watching

Idubbbz were not supportive of his

actions with showing that comment and

trying to make that point using

something so heinous. It's not like his

audience was eating it up and really

celebrating what he did here. His own

audience was turning against him for

doing that from what I saw. Now, again,

I've only learned about all this after

the fact, so maybe some of like the

positive stuff was scrubbed or deleted,

but a lot of what I can find was people

in his audience really didn't agree with

him doing this.

>> I don't see how you can say that I'm not

justified when somebody's

who's your former friend who's been to

your house and met your children is

broadcasting

this

as a silly just to oh it's just silly.

Ethan needs to address this little minor

claim that he molested his own children

and he's a pedophile. Um

is that funny? I don't know. Is that a

joke? Is that free speech? I don't think

so.

There other thing I hear is like this is

a grave threat against free speech. No,

it's not.

Defamation laws exist in every major

western c in every western country

because you can't just say people

molested their children. That's not free

speech. That's not protected speech. And

good thing Idubbbz didn't. That would be

the comment that was left by someone

else. So, if that is the big problem,

that this was said in the first place,

then wouldn't that energy be channeled

at the person who actually said it, he's

trying to portray it as though Ian is

championing it, that he is trying to use

this knowingly fraudulent information to

push an agenda that Ethan is a monster

that does the unthinkable to his

children. But when watching it again,

that's just not what he was saying. And

he did outright say he doesn't believe

it in the first place. He then goes into

like, "How is that a joke?" Well, you

just said that the person who left the

comment, Destiny, was just joking.

Basically, he was just being a piece of

[ __ ] but he wasn't being serious. That

was a a goof. That doesn't make sense,

man. So, it was a joke when he wrote the

comment, but it's not a joke when

Idubbbz is trying to use it to shittily

make a point. And and he wasn't even

making a joke about the comment itself,

just more so that you weren't getting

upset at Destiny for making it in the

first place.

>> You can't accuse someone of committing a

heinous crime. That's not if they

didn't. That's not free speech. That's

not protected speech. It's literally not

protected speech. It's actually

explicitly

um

carved out in the law as you know this

is the legal route you take when someone

defames you, right? Ethan of all people

should be very familiar with how

defamatory lawsuits can be exploited by

those with a lot of money. He was the

guy that always fought on the right side

of these kind of battles. And now in

this case, I really think he's lost his

way in that regard. What he is

describing here is not even what Idubbbz

did. He's talking about you can't make

these comments. That's not free speech.

Destiny made the comment, man.

literally. And yet you're not going

after him. You've already excused him.

Wrote it off as a, you know, he wasn't

being serious, a [ __ ] and are

instead going after Idubbbz, who was

very shittily using it to make a very

different point and even outright said

he doesn't believe it, by the way. So,

it really feels less about the actual

defaming and more about just being able

to continue to like really drive the

nail into Idubbbz, which is extremely

unnecessary. His own community didn't

agree with him when he did this. He lost

members of his community for this

because he was so in the wrong for it.

Everyone was on your side when all of

this was unfolding. So really, what else

are you even trying to accomplish? He

came out of that much worse. and he uh

outright apologized for it, admitted how

wrong he was for it and everything like

that eventually, which is a

significantly bigger L than like a legal

one in the eyes of the internet to be

like that wrong and that much on like

the wrong side of like the drama. By

every possible interpretation, you won

here. You proved the claims were

fraudulent. They were false. They're not

real. And people were on your side in

this whole situation here and against

how Idubbbz had gone about trying to

make this point. All you had to do was

just leave it at that. But by making

this lawsuit, you've now made a new

issue out of it that is a concern and

can affect other people entirely

unrelated to it. And I'm honestly very

surprised why Ethan can't see that after

all of the lawsuits he's been through.

Something like this should be very

apparent how it can be used

exploitatively against others even

outside of a case of like this extreme

degree. Like Ethan of 10 years ago, I

think would absolutely see that. But

right now, I just think after everything

that he's been through, he's just

completely clouded by it and can't see

that anymore. But now let's dive into

like the concern about how this can

affect, you know, free speech or

discourse online because Ethan is

talking about like how he doesn't

understand how it could because this is

such an extreme thing that was said

that's so gross. And he's right. This is

a very gross thing that was said. And if

Idubbbz was pressing it as a very

legitimate thing and trying to make it

seem like it's true to everyone, that

kind of thing, then it would make a lot

more sense to go this kind of route

because that is something like the Snark

community was doing with like some

really unhinged behavior. So like that

would make sense to me. But that's not

what happened here. And the reason why

this is concerning is because let's say

Ethan does win this lawsuit here. That

then opens the door for other people to

come in with less extreme [ __ ] Like

yes, in this case it is very

over-the-top and gross. But defamatory

statements aren't just this extreme

level. Defamatory statements are very

wide reaching and this being something

you can point to like, okay, so it

worked for Ethan. It can probably work

for me against this guy who said this

thing that actually damaged my brand. In

Ethan's case, I think it'd be very hard

to even prove damages in the first

place. I don't know if that's something

that's required by like Canadian law. I

have no [ __ ] clue at all. I know they

don't have the same level of free speech

protections or anything like that, so

maybe that's not even a requirement or

whatever, but I think it would be a

herculan task to prove that H3 had

suffered like a reputational hit or a

loss of revenue or a brand tanking

because of Idubbbz's stream here.

Because what has often been flexed by a

lot of people is how H3 has thousands

upon thousands of live viewers all the

time and Idubbbz would have like a

hundred. So H3 being like a 100x the

size of Idubbbz, it would be very hard

for anyone to point to and say what

Idubbbz did here really damaged the H3

brand and here's the proof we lost so

many members on YouTube or something

like that's clearly not going to happen.

But someone else absolutely could. Like

something that a lot of people talk

about online, like commentary YouTubers,

I suppose we'll stay in that realm, is

scammers. So why couldn't a scammer then

utilize this same play? Okay, we can

actually prove damages because they

talked about, you know, a customer's

terrible experience with us and that was

defamatory and look at how much business

it cost us and it ruined our reputation.

And I think you could possibly point to

Ethan's lawsuit here should he win as

evidence. Like, look, he got a

defamatory ruling in his favor after

suing Idubbbz for something someone else

said. So, we are going to be suing this

YouTuber for what this customer said

that they talked about in their content

that ruined our brand or took away some

business. Because in a lot of commentary

videos, the sources come from others,

whether it's individuals or something

else. So if you can sue for a reason

like this and win, it does open up to

exploitation from some bad actors. So

yeah, while it is kind of extreme in

what has happened here between Idubbbz

and H3, I think you could very easy look

at it and say, okay, if he can sue for

what someone else said and was on his

stream, why can't I sue for what someone

else said that was in their content that

I believe defamed me? And I just think

that it does open the door to some

problems. And I've seen the responses

kind of split. And like in the

commentary community, I thought it'd be

unanimously, you know, discouraged for

pretty obvious reasons. It is

historically always been spit upon, but

because it's now against someone people

don't like, Idubbbz, they're okay with

it and even laughing about it, which I

just don't really get it. I don't know

how the lesson hasn't been learned that

when something gets used against someone

you don't like, it doesn't mean it's

only ever going to be used against

people you don't like. Once that can of

worms is open, [ __ ] becomes the wild

west and it can be a problem for

everybody. Like making an exception

like, "Yeah, ooh, not good. I've always

been really against YouTubers filing,

you know, litigation against other

content creators, but since it's

Idubbbz, I'll I'll be okay with it."

which I think is some pretty silly [ __ ]

I think the internet in its first

goaround with this topic pinned the tail

on the donkey. I think they were correct

with the the take on this topic that

being extremely latigious and going

after other content creators and such

with defamatory lawsuits and such is

just not very good. It's the same

tactics that have been used from some

extremely

shady companies in the past against

people online. And it's just a tactic

that used to unanimously leave a sour

taste in the mouth of just normal people

online. But now in this case, because

it's against someone they don't like,

they're willing to be all right with it

and turn the other cheek to it. And I

just I don't think that's right. Again,

if Idubbbz truly was spreading

maliciously fraudulent information of

this disgusting stuff that uh was made

in this comment and saying like this is

real, this is true, this is awful, this

is look at what's happening, look what

he's done, that kind of thing, I would

really understand it more then because

then that is very different than just

normal internet beef. That is psychopath

evil [ __ ] But from what I've seen in

that stream, that's not what was

happening. So, I really don't understand

this perspective from commentary

channels to treat this like it's just

some kind of hoot and holler and goofy

thing. You know, let's celebrate it

point and laugh when I think it's pretty

easy to see how this could potentially

be used as ammunition in some uh less

than savory lawsuits going forward,

specifically in Canada. It would

obviously be like for Canadian

YouTubers, but even still, there's no

there's just it's probably best not to

just have more ammunition for some bad

actors to be able to exploit legally.

Like I I just don't understand why

because it's happening to Idubbbz,

everyone's willing to just like forget

about the last like [ __ ] 15 years of

everyone knowing that this kind of thing

isn't really good. So yeah, I've been

yapping about this for a minute now, but

I do cover these like YouTuber streamer

lawsuits that occasionally pop up, the

ones that I'm aware of at least. And

this one was very surprising to see.

Now, like I said, I did have a

conversation with both Idubbbz and

Ethan. And at the end of the

conversation with Ethan, he wanted to

prepare a statement because I wasn't shy

about letting him know that the exact

way I've talked to him in our

conversation would be how I'm going to

talk about it publicly. And since I've

made it clear, I'm not in the business

of just leaking private text messages.

He wanted to prepare something that I

would share. And I've done this in the

past, like sharing statements from the

people that I cover in stories. So, I'll

do the same here as well. He said when

CPS was called on his family a year ago,

the rules of engagement had completely

changed. A snark community fabricated a

lie that his children were crawling

around in dog [ __ ] and eating it. An

agent came to my home at 8:00 a.m. to

look through my home and interview my

children against their will.

Investigation is now over. Was

determined to be unfounded. After this,

he could no longer tolerate attacks on

his children or attempts to break up his

family. Ian was a friend of his for many

years. He has been to his house, met his

children. when he displayed a message on

screen for over an hour stating that

he's a pedophile that molests children

carried a lot more weight than when

Destiny said it. Destiny said it in a

Discord chat in passing that was on

screen for a few seconds. He'd never met

or spoken with Destiny and has and

Destiny has never been to his house or

met his children. Has zero credibility

on the issue and made it clear that in

passing chat message was never meant to

be taken seriously. Ian on the other

hand does know his family, has been to

his home and has met his children. and

the fact that he exploited that

closeness to forward such a heinous,

unforgivable accusation forced him into

action. To make matters worse, Ian has

supported the call to CPS in his content

deputy and openly associates with,

spends time in and celebrates the snark

community from which the original CPS

call came from. He believes it was Ian's

intention to cause harm to his family as

he knew CPS had already visited the home

and still decided to rebroadcast the

accusations for over an hour on stream.

He's pledged to do everything he can to

hold him and anyone else who attempts to

harm his family accountable in whatever

way that he can. Because of the context,

he believes that he has a much more

viable case against Idubbbz than

Destiny. And that's why he's only suing

Destiny or Idubbbz. Destiny also lives

in USA where defamation laws are much

harder to win verse in Canada where

Idubbbz lives. These are all the reasons

that he's suing Idubbbz and not Destiny.

He's chosen the legal and most proper

way afforded to him that live in

countries that value free speech, a

lawsuit for defamation. Defamation is

not protected speech. He does not have

an unalienable right to say that he is a

pedophile molesting his children.

Accountability in this case has to be

more than just internet mudslinging and

jousting. He has crossed the line and

he's past the point of caring what

Charlie or anyone else thinks and he

will protect his family at all costs.

Now, if it wasn't clear, we didn't

exactly see eye to eye on this case here

in regards to this whole lawsuit

situation. I believe, as is even stated

in his statement, that he's targeting

Idubbbz solely because the free speech

laws in Canada are more lax and it is

more viable that he would win there

verse in the US where Destiny is. He's

even saying that it would be harder to

win that case against Destiny. So to me

that says that if the way you win is

through more lax free speech laws then

it's not really a real defamation case

worth pursuing. It's you taking

advantage of that lax nature of those

laws to further punish the guy who you

have a lot of eye towards for the

previous instances of uh aligning with

the snark community and stuff like that

as opposed to actually fighting for you

know

this was defamatory in that. It feels

very familiar for a tactic that is

common with big companies to financially

drain someone that they have a lot of

issues with for a variety of reasons, a

whole host of reasons. And in pursuing

this route, it does open a whole host of

problems for a lot of other people and

can have far-reaching consequences

should it set some kind of precedent or,

you know, set an example for others to

try and follow suit. It is something

that I've always advocated against and

there's nothing in all of the streams

and evidence I've seen that indicates

that Idubbbz was trying to push this as

a true thing using his previous

relationship with E Ethan as a place of

credibility to to try and preach to his

audience that this comment is accurate.

This is a legitimate claim that actually

needs to be investigated. There was

nothing I ever saw that gave me that

indication. And it was only ever Destiny

made this atrocious comment that Ethan

is not being very upset about and having

a very different energy towards him than

the others. And it was a very, very,

very poorly made point, using a very

gross example for it, which is something

Idubbbz openly admits. So anyway, I've

been yapping about this for a long time

now. Uh, that's really about it. See

you.