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>> Joe,

>> so good to see you.

>> It's really good to see you.

>> What's happening?

>> Everything.

>> Are you good? You all right? Everything

good?

>> Yeah, I'm good now.

>> Yeah. Woo.

>> Woo. It's been a It's been a few years.

I thought about you the moment Bobby

said he was going to run for president.

>> You were the first thing I thought of.

>> Thank you.

>> Cuz I'm a huge fan of Curve Your

Enthusiasm. I thought you were amazing

on that show.

>> Thank you.

>> It's such a good show. It's maybe one of

the greatest comedy shows of all time.

>> And um

>> I was like, she's not built for this.

>> Turns out I'm not built for this.

>> Nobody is. Trump is the only person I've

ever met that somehow or another

survives it and seems exactly the same.

But most people who are attacked like

that, it's just like it is a natural

human instinct when you are rejected by

your tribe to feel terrified and filled

with anxiety. But that's why people do

it and that's what encourages group

think

>> because you're terrified and you wind up

agreeing to things that are [ __ ]

insane.

>> Yeah.

>> Because you don't even know what you're

agreeing to. You just don't want to be

rejected by your tribe. And this is how

they keep people involved in these where

ideologies eventually become cults.

>> Yes. And I think you can make a really

good argument at both the right and the

left that at in a certain certain

section of each one of these political

parties, it's a cult.

>> Yes. Because there, you know, most of us

are sort of in the center.

>> Yes.

>> Right. And then you have the 10% on this

side, the 10% on this side that are uh

so extreme

>> and loud and they keep everybody fired

up and it it is cult like,

>> right? Yet it's it's weird. It's weird

to watch intelligent people get captured

in it. I was just watching this uh video

with Bill Maher and Bill Maher had Adam

Coroll on and Bill Maher was talking

about how Jimmy Kimmel won't talk to him

anymore.

>> Like they have this like spat because of

politics. Bill Maher is very much a

leftwing person. He has been his whole

life. He has not changed his opinions at

all, but he's always been very

reasonable and willing to criticize the

left as well as the right.

>> Yes. And I I don't know if it was

because he had dinner with Trump and he

met with him, which is just crazy.

You're not supposed to talk to people

that are the president of the United

States.

>> It is crazy. I know. I was just talking

to Bill Maher and we were talking about

this.

>> Oh.

>> Yeah. Because he was like,

>> you said exactly what you said.

>> I sat down and had dinner with the

president and people went insane. Yeah.

And so people, listen, I know that

feeling cuz even when Bobby started

running for president, even when he

started running as a Democrat,

>> people were angry.

>> Well, they're just

>> Democrats were angry.

>> They're just mean. Like when it comes to

politics, people just get so mean. It's

like these are not the type of people

you ever want in any position of power.

People the least charitable, most

vicious people. the moment you are

running against them in a political

party, they will pull out all the stops,

take things out of context, lie about

you.

>> Yes. Even if they're I even if you're in

their party, it it doesn't matter. It

doesn't matter 100%. which was that was

um challenging because you know like

Hollywood is

competitive and it's hard and you are

you know you're hustling you're working

really hard but you're not um trying to

tear other people down

>> right

>> so politics as soon as you say as soon

as he said I'm well no I'm sorry before

that the people were coming after him

>> they were always coming They were always

coming after him, but but it kicked up a

notch when he decided to run for

president.

>> Oh, a big notch, I'm sure. Yeah.

>> And it was just And it's just weird, you

know,

and there was like a feel a feeling of

doom

>> for me. He's Bobby's tough.

>> He's so faking tough like

>> Well, they've been coming after him for

like 20 years.

>> Yeah.

>> So, he's just developed a rhino scandal.

>> Yeah. And I, you know, and I was I was

like, "Oh my god,

>> I'm not gonna make it."

>> You know, a good indication how they

come after themselves, each other

rather, is during the debate with Kamla

and Biden when Kamla was accusing Biden

of at the very least sexual assault,

right? Like this

>> the sort of creepy

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> It seemed like she was accusing him of

sexual assault and then when they

confronted her on it, she's like, "It

was a debate.

That's what literally what she said.

>> That is the really strange thing about

politics that I'm I'm still getting used

to is they will viciously attack each

other and then a minute later in the

hallway it's like, "Hey, how's it going

you?" And I'm I'm still in shock, you

know? I'm still angry about what just

happened in there. And they're they're

already over it and they're already

like, "Yeah, that's politics. That's

what we do." Did you ever see the

debates with Mitt Romney and Barack

Obama?

>> I'm sure I did, but I never

>> Can you see if you could pull some of

that up? God, why can't we go back to

that?

>> Like,

>> was it like civilized?

>> Oh, completely. Yeah.

>> For Mitt Romney, Mitt Romney is like

he's Mormon, like super religious guy,

never swears, probably doesn't do

anything, right? So, he's like super

polite. Yes.

>> And then Barack Obama because, you know,

they're matching each other's energy. He

was very polite, too. They disagreed on

many things, but they were talking about

what they wanted to do,

>> not how this guy's a piece of [ __ ] and

they've been stealing and robbing and

this and that and

>> or you know how they look turned into

that where

>> Trump which is crazy when you look like

that.

>> You know what I'm saying? I mean it's

like the guy makes fun of his own hair

like he makes fun of his comb over he's

like but here it is

>> Governor Romney and the University of

Denver for your hospitality. The only

person on this stage is a convicted

felon. This man I'm looking at.

>> Okay. This is just a comparison between

that's that was the Biden ones with

Trump were the worst because they were

trying to map Trump's energy match

Trump's energy.

>> Well, they didn't know how to debate

him.

>> Yeah.

>> That's what

>> I think he does. Well,

>> if you wanted to diffuse that,

>> what you would say is like this is not

productive for anybody,

>> right? Like if you want to have like a

completely separate conversation about

who's a bigger piece of [ __ ] and you

want to do a podcast and you and me talk

about how I think you're a piece of

[ __ ] you think I'm a piece of [ __ ]

That's one thing. But you have x amount

of time to say how you're going to run

the country

>> country

>> and what you think is wrong with the

policies, what you think is wrong with

where we're spending money, what you

think was all the above.

>> Yes.

>> Yeah. That's what you're supposed to do.

>> Yes.

>> And the idea that you can't win that way

is crazy. It is crazy.

>> It's crazy.

>> And it's it's really weird, too, that

a lot, some, not all, politicians really

work on I got to get a catchphrase in

there.

>> Well, Trump's really good at that. Like,

he names people. Crooked Hillary, Sleepy

Joe. It works.

>> It It works.

>> It did work. I mean, it

>> because people get so thrown off they

they don't know how to respond. They,

like you said, that's what they should

say.

>> But it they just get throw so thrown off

that it's just uh paralyzing.

>> Well, at least in this day and age,

there's a method through social media

for you to respond. If something you

don't you think is inaccurate or

whatever, you can respond. But, uh,

there was a time where there was

nothing. Yeah.

>> And whatever political party was in

power, they controlled everything. They

controlled all the news stories about

you. They controlled everything. There's

a great story with uh Hunter S. Thompson

and Ed Musky's running for president and

Hunter S. Thompson makes this crazy

rumor about how he's addicted to Ibagane

and he has a Brazilian witch doctor

comes in and treats him and this guy

literally cracks on the campaign trail

because Hunter S. Thompson said this

made up this crazy story about him and

this guy, you see him having nervous

breakdowns on the campaign trail like

his subsequent speeches are all like

nuts and he falls off.

>> Yeah. But he was like a front runner at

one point in time or at least he was

very competitive and it just

>> Yeah.

>> just they killed him.

>> Well, it's a power of words. Yes.

>> Which um by the way you know when Bobby

decided to run and he and I talked about

this in my book Unscripted uh when he

came on your podcast was a game changer,

right? Because everything that you're

saying

it is true and and the press was going

hard. They still do. They're going They

were going hard at Bobby like he's this,

he's that. Here's what he thinks. Here's

what he

>> right,

>> you know, represents. And then he came

on your podcast and you guys had a

conversation.

>> Yeah.

>> And you know what? You're curious and

you're a great listener and you're not

judgmental and people heard what Bobby

had to say and it changed everything for

him.

>> Well, I think it helped also that I knew

who he was. Uh, I read his book and I

had also had negative opinions of him

before I actually read what he said.

>> Interesting. Yeah.

>> What were your opinions?

>> So before the pandemic, before the

pandemic, I was firmly on the side of

science. I was much more of a

left-wingleaning person. I just assumed

these people running universities, these

academics, whatever they said was

accurate. Everybody else was a fool and

they believed in snake oil and

witchcraft. Right? This is what I

thought.

>> Okay? And then during the pandemic, I

was like, "Okay, these experts are

clearly lying. I know they're lying

because they're literally lying about

me, right?" So,

>> which was crazy. So, when you're in it

and you know who you are and you know

>> how you're feeling and what your body is

doing and other people, news outlets are

saying, "Uh-uh, that's not true. It's

got to feel so weird."

>> Well, it felt really weird because they

weren't addressing the fact that it was

healthy. That was crazy. It's like

you're talking about this massive

pandemic and you've got this guy in his

50s. You know, I'm supposed to be a

vulnerable person and I'm in my 50s and

I got over it in a couple of days and

I'm telling everybody how I did it and

they're they're saying that I'm some

quack who's taking veterinary medicine,

>> right?

>> Which is just a it was just a flatout

lie, but it was weird.

>> It was weird to watch. It didn't like it

didn't give me anxiety.

>> It It made me laugh a lot. I laughed a

lot cuz fortunately during this entire

time period I was doing standup and

hanging out with comedians. We all

thought it was so funny. Like, bro, CNN

is so full of [ __ ] This is crazy. I

never would have believed it.

>> Yeah. But, and you have this outlet and

you were able to talk about it and tell

people. So, it's like

>> they weren't picking. They thought they

were picking on me cuz they thought they

were the bully, but during the whole

exchange, they went, "Oh my god, this

thing's way bigger than we thought it

was."

>> Yeah. So my show was like 10 times more

listeners and viewers than their show,

which is crazy cuz all I can do is come

on here and go, "Are you [ __ ] out of

Do I need to sue you people? You guys

are cracked."

>> It's It is crazy.

>> It's crazy.

>> So yeah. So you saw things firsthand

that you hadn't experienced before.

>> Yeah. And then um when I read Bobby's

book um one of the things that I knew

about Bobby before

>> the Fouchy book or

>> Yes. the real Anthony Fouch, which was

just

>> I I would read it. I would listen to it

on audio tape in the sauna. So, I'm

sitting there cooking at 196 degrees or

well, you're already kind of freaking

out because you can only stay in there

so long before you die. You know, that's

the whole key of the sauna. Like, you

get it way before you're going to die.

That's when you get out. But if you

stayed in there for a few hours, you're

a dead man.

>> Um, and so I'm kind of freaking out

already. And I'm like, this is the

nuttiest story of one guy and his

cohorts who have been doing this kind of

[ __ ] The same [ __ ] they were doing

during the pandemic, suppressing other

medication, promoting something that

they had that they were going to make a

massive profit off of, gaslighting

people, lying about the data, lying

about this is the thing they did during

the AIDS crisis. And

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> And there footnote after footnote,

reference after reference. Exactly.

>> Saying this is here's this, here's that.

I'm not making this up.

>> No lawsuits.

>> No one's trying to sue him. They you and

this is one thing I keep bringing up. If

none if that was lies, people would have

they would document how it's not true.

They would show the actual paperwork.

They show the actual data. This is how

it's not. No, it's all true. Which is

>> you go, well, how do I not know this?

And what what kind of irresponsible

journalism do we have in this country

where this has happened and it takes

this one guy to publish this book before

people start talking about it.

>> Yeah. I also knew his work as an

environmental attorney and I think that

was that's a very important thing for

people to realize like what he did was

essentially help clean up the East River

and if it wasn't for him and his work

that would still be probably a polluted

[ __ ] hole unless somebody else came

along and stopped these corporations

from polluting the river and then forced

them to clean it up.

>> Right?

>> That shantic. And by the way, you know,

when people talk about Bobby and they

want to paint him as somebody who is

trying to hurt people or kill people or

whatever that sounds like or looks like,

>> you look at his career and who he is and

what he's accomplished. Yeah. He spent a

lot of time suing

huge corporations because they're

polluting waterways

uh because it's hurting people, killing

people, giving pe people cancer. So why

would he spend all of his life fighting

for people, fighting for individuals,

you know, uh and then um suddenly change

and want to really hurt a lot of people.

It just doesn't track. It doesn't make

sense at all.

>> Well, the whole thing came about because

of vaccines and his questioning of the

vaccine narrative, which is now way more

mainstream. Um because I like many

people said the scientists must be

correct. Everybody else is a cook. You

got to get your vaccines. You got to do

whatever you have to do. But I was also

pretty aware of I had a a friend who had

a child that they vaccinated him and

when they vaccinated him, he stopped

responding and he never responded again.

He became

>> non-verbal autistic for his whole life.

>> Yeah.

>> And he firmly believed it was because of

the child's reaction to the vaccines.

That's a taboo to bring up. When you

bring that up, people immediately back

off. They get scared, they get nervous.

>> I firmly believe that when you have this

sort of a visceral reaction to any sort

of a subject like that without a a

rational examining of what is objective

truth,

>> right?

>> When you have that visceral reaction,

>> something's happened. You've been

co-opted. There's a thought in your head

that you can't question this or you'll

be ostracized. You'll be cast out of the

crew, the crew, the tribe. You're out.

Yeah. And that's what everyone's afraid

of. that is what because that is what

happens as we as as we've seen but to

that point

you know as mother I it's so frustrating

to hear parents say this is my

experience this is the experience I had

with my own child I'm with this child

every day after the vaccine there was a

change this is what this is my

experience and for people to

>> get mad at them for even like you're

saying talking about it.

>> Mhm.

>> They're not allowed to talk about the

experience they had or

>> ask why it happened or

you know let people talk to each other

to see if they have shared experiences

that can lead us to something better,

>> right?

>> It's crazy.

>> It's crazy. And it shouldn't be uh it

shouldn't be accepted. We shouldn't

communicate like that. It's not smart.

It's we've been lied to so many times. I

mean, why would you just assume that

that stopped that that has ended? You

know, if you just go back and think

about all the different things that both

the government and of course

pharmaceutical drug companies have lied

about or at least been wrong about the

amount of drugs that they had to pull,

it's [ __ ] substantial. It's a giant

chunk.

>> Well, that's the question. So we

understand and accept that there have

been drugs out there that everybody

thought were good, were helpful, and

then 10 years later, 20 years later,

the companies,

scientists, whomever realize, oh,

actually they're doing more harm than

good.

>> What about the like what it did with

birth defects in children?

>> It's, you know,

>> it's crazy. They used to prescribe that

to mothers.

>> Well, it's even like uh getting x-rayed.

Yeah,

>> they used to have mothers,

you know, that were pregnant x-rayed to

see how the baby was doing

>> for a long time.

>> It would be cool if it gave the baby

superpowers, but it never does. It only

happens in the science

>> and that never works out on them.

>> Comic books in science fiction.

>> Yeah.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. It's intense.

>> Do you ever see those images of uh what

happened to the women that used to work

in those X-ray offices? So, every day

they used to have to turn on the X-ray

machine. They would x-ray their hand to

make sure that it would work.

>> And they all got like hand cancer.

>> Oh, it's horrible. It's weird because

they have one hand that looks normal and

one hand that looks like a like a wicked

witch hand,

>> right? So,

>> see if you can find some of those. It's

very strict because we didn't know any

better,

>> right? Because we didn't know, nobody

nobody was out to kill anybody, to

murder, to do harm. But it was doing

harm. So,

>> let's take a step back, readjust, and do

something different. Well, the extreme

amount of money that pharmaceutical drug

companies have put into making sure that

they're in control of the narrative or

at least they're influencing the

narrative. Like this is this lady.

>> Wow.

>> Isn't that crazy?

>> Isn't that crazy?

>> That's crazy.

>> And that's just from X-raying your hand.

>> Said they would use it to calibrate the

machine every day.

>> Oh my god.

>> Test their hand first.

>> That lady cooked her hand. Isn't that

awful? Ooh, it's so spooky. That's

really crazy.

>> Yikes.

>> What are the You're not going to have

the answer to this, but

>> I might.

>> What are the What are the things, you

know, that we have to go through in the

airport?

>> Oh, yeah.

>> That's radio. Yeah, that's like a radio

frequency, right? What is that? Let's

Let's pull that up. I do not think that

that's dangerous. But

>> look, there's a lot of people that think

Wi-Fi is dangerous. There's a lot of

people that think that 5G is dangerous.

They think that EMF from even electric

cars is dangerous. There's people

telling you you shouldn't have earbuds

in your ears.

>> You know, you should only uh listen with

a cord or speaker if you can,

>> right?

>> Well, it makes sense. You've got things

>> going directly into your head to your

brain.

>> Yeah. It's probably not the best thing

for you. But I mean, it's like how many

people are wearing AirPods and how

little damage is it actually doing?

That's the question is like how what is

the real issue? Most TSA body scanners

use millimeter wave radio waves.

>> Okay. Um, so not X-rays and do not add

to your ionizing radiation exposure. So,

um, so it's not X-ray based, right? It's

radio wave. But is it what is it? Is it

dangerous? How does the dose compared to

a flight? What is that? X-ray scanners.

Um, that's just scanners. Um, is there

any dam faith that this is okay?

>> Followup. Uh, millimeter wave scanner

radiation.

Is it dangerous? Is there any dangerous?

uh aspects of it. Health and radiation

protection agencies note that doses from

older back scatter X-ray scanners were

extremely low. Whatever. Meanwhile, they

[ __ ] don't go anywhere near it when

they turn it on, right? When you go to

the dentist office, they hide behind a

>> W to the other room and you're like,

what?

>> They're in a [ __ ] bunker right next

to my head.

>> I know. And they make you wear like a

lead vest over your your body.

>> Yeah. It's intense. I mean,

>> do they still do that?

>> Yes.

>> Yeah.

>> Yes. Yes. I haven't gotten one of those

with the lead vest in a while.

>> No. And they You're right. They go into

the other room and they're like, "Uh,

don't move." And you're just sitting

there with a, you know,

>> if there's any word anyone should have

about these body scanners. Let's see.

>> I mean, I don't want to c I'm not

causing any outrage here. I'm just

curious.

>> Yeah, it's I was just flying. I was

like,

>> the TSA ones are dangerous. Major health

agencies did not see any proven health

risk at the levels used, but people

still raise a few practical concerns. So

millimeter wave scanners use low power

nonionizing radio waves and studies and

reviews have not found harmful effects

at the power levels used in airport

screening. Um sensitive groups analysis

that modeled risk for children pregnant

people. What? Why does it say pregnant

people?

>> Which kind of people can get pregnant?

Do you think Hey AI? Hey super genius.

You think maybe it's women? You [ __ ]

[ __ ] uh and frequent flyers still

found that low added risk from vax

scatter scanners far below routine

medical x-rays or even the radiation

from flying itself. Well, that that is a

thing too.

>> All right. Radiation in the plane

>> flying when you're flying.

>> I mean, there's so many things. Isn't it

just we're all going down?

>> Um put that into perplexity, please.

What is um why is

flying why why does that give you

radiation? Is it because you're closer

to the sun? Like what is it? Less

protection. Yes.

>> Yeah. Is that what it is?

>> Yes.

>> Is that all it is?

>> Yeah. Mostly I mean, you know,

>> you're up high.

>> Yeah. There's not a lot of stuff to

diffuse it.

>> Less air.

>> Something I saw someone bring up

recently, too. Having those screens

right behind your head, cuz there's one

in

>> every Oh, that's got to be bad for you.

>> Millime away from your head.

>> Well, Wi-Fi on the plane, it's like just

bouncing around. Is it? Yeah.

>> Wi-Fi. Well, they used to be able to

smoke,

>> which is crazy. I was just the plane

that I was on had the no smoking sign

and it's

>> I would feel super uncomfortable getting

on that plane. That plane

>> it's not a good old ass plane.

>> Yeah. When you're like, "Okay, how old

is this [ __ ] plane?" They used to

have little ashtrays. Remember those in

the seats?

>> And that's really crazy.

>> And typical commercial flight, you get a

small dose of extra cosmic radiation on

the order of what you expect from a

medical X-ray spread out over several

hours.

>> Whoa. So, every time you fly, it's like

getting x-rayed.

>> That's kind of crazy. What What happens

to pilots? Okay.

>> Yeah, that's uh that's a good question.

>> Do pilots have any health risks from

radiation exposure while flying?

>> Yeah, it's a good question.

>> Because I would imagine if you're flying

all the time,

>> they're the ones that would

>> It's like getting an X-ray every day.

>> That's

I mean, everything is killing us, right?

That's why I came on. I wanted to hear

what's going to kill us first.

>> I don't think

>> there's so many things. This is going to

be a like a

>> I don't think everything

>> meteorite that's going to hit us first.

>> Okay, but there's a lot of stuff keeping

us alive longer now, too. Pilots and

other air crew do get more radiation

than typical travelers. But whether that

causes health problems is still being

studied and any added risk appears

modest on a personal level. like they

would be the ones that you would be able

to study from the best whether or not

flying and flight attendants whether or

not flying is actually bad for you.

>> Well, we haven't heard anything yet.

>> No. So, that's good.

>> You would imagine that

a long time. Many studies find pilots

and flight attendants have higher rates

of some cancers. Uhoh. Particularly

melanoma and other skin cancers and in

some studies breast cancer. However,

reviews say it's not clear how much of

it is from cosmic radiation versus other

factors such as disrupted sleep. That's

true. Like UV exposure during off time

and lifestyle. Firm causal link to

flight radiation alone has not been

established. That does make sense with

the disrupted sleep cuz I I talked to a

pilot once who did like a lot of late

night flights and it's like your your

whole body is just so wrecked. Like

people who do the night shift like that

can't be good for you. Your circadian

rhythm is all [ __ ] up. you're sleeping

during the day.

>> Can you adjust though? Can't you adjust

>> if you can?

>> But if you're the guy who gets the night

shift every night,

>> you know, you're working at a factory

and you you punch in at like 8:00 p.m.

>> Like, you're not That's just your life,

man. That's how you live.

>> It's like shooting a film and you do

like three or four night shoots,

>> someone snaps.

>> Yeah.

>> There's always one person that just like

kills

>> can't handle it.

>> Freaking crazy. You're

>> Oh no, Chad just went We just lost Chad.

I don't know what happened to him, but

he freaked out.

>> Some people when they can't sleep, they

become big babies.

>> Yeah. Very emotional. Very emotional.

>> Well, there's a thing. There's an

indulgence on sets too from actors. It's

like

there's a kind of a lack of appreciation

sometimes of because you just get

accustomed to it of how fortunate you

are to be able to do what you do.

>> Yeah. You know, very few people get to

be an actor in a movie. Yeah. And you're

spazzing out because you didn't get

enough sleep.

>> Yeah. And then meanwhile, the crew,

>> right,

>> really didn't get enough sleep.

>> They didn't get enough sleep either.

>> They're they're working two hours before

you and two hours after.

>> But if they spaz out, they'll get fired.

>> Yeah. Immediately.

>> Yeah. And that's the difference. Like

it's not an equality thing. So these

people all they're they're aware they're

like royalty walking around this film

set, you know? It's kind of odd.

>> Well, it is odd. And at the same time,

it's

it's a it's a very uh unique experience,

right? Because this person has to be on

camera and every inch of their face is,

you know, going to be six feet tall in a

movie theater. And so, everybody's just

making sure that person is doing okay

and they look okay and they feel okay.

Cuz if they don't,

>> then they don't you don't have anything.

you don't have anything to shoot. So,

everybody is just like,

>> "Yeah,

>> are you okay? Are you feeling okay? Are

you hydrated? Do you need water? Do you

need a piece of turkey?"

>> Well, the of the results of that like

psychologically over a prolonged period

of time, people usually get really

weird.

>> Yeah, agree.

>> That's the their normal experience is

everybody's treating them like, "Can I

take care of your hair?

Can you do your lips?

Brush your shoulders off." It's true.

>> It's cookie. It's kooky. And that's why,

you know, the people that start early,

especially that have success early.

>> Oh, yeah.

>> It's not It's not good. It's not a good

way to kick off your life. It's like,

this is not normal. If you think this is

normal, this you're going to be real sad

in a few years cuz

>> and I don't think you can recover from a

bad developmental period that way.

>> That's hard.

>> It's different. It's different than

anything else. Like you could have a bad

childhood and it'll make you more

resilient. But a bad childhood in front

of the whole world

>> and you've never had to really work and

you've never had to really struggle and

you've been famous since you were young.

So your interactions with people from

the time you were young is people loving

you for your work which is

>> not good for kids.

>> No, it's not. And the way you look that

that's a big part of it which is hard.

>> So it's not just your work, you know,

it's like

>> what we're talking about. You have to

look good while you're doing it. That's

part of the job. Especially as a woman,

that's a big factor. But I always liken

it to like concrete. Like if you make

concrete incorrectly. So like if you

decide to mix it, but you don't add

enough water or you don't It's only you

can add water later once it's solid.

It's like that's what it is. It's just

going to be sucky, weak ass concrete

that's going to break.

>> Wait, when did you get uh What was your

first break? Was it Was it News Radio?

>> Yeah. Well, I was on another show before

News Radio called Hardball. It was a

sitcom that was on Fox. That's what I

actually moved out to LA for. And if if

that show got cancelled and if I didn't

have a lease on an apartment, I would

have went back to New York. I hated it.

I didn't

>> Why Why did you hate it?

>> Well, I didn't like the whole scene. I

It felt I was used to

um fight gyms, pool halls, and comedy

clubs. Those are the people I was used

to. Mhm.

>> They are the funniest, like most brash,

blunt people, and everybody's cracking

on everybody and it's like it's jolly.

These are those are jolly places for the

most part.

>> Yeah.

>> And then I went from there to this weird

world of group think

>> and uh seeing people read the Hollywood

Reporter every day and get really upset.

Yes.

>> And I would keep telling them like

that's the devil's rag. Like why are you

reading that? Like don't read that.

>> Right. because they're just mad that

they didn't get the role or they didn't

get the the film or whatever. It it is

odd, but yes, that

>> it's kooky and it's also the group think

thing. It's like I I saw it like right

away. Like if a film was really good, if

everybody decided it was really good,

you had to say it was really good. You

couldn't say I [ __ ] hated that movie.

>> Like there was this Jack Nicholson movie

where he played this [ __ ] and I think

it was Helen Hunt played as good as it

get.

>> Yes, that one. And I was like Jesus

Christ. Like why? The whole idea was

that he was a [ __ ] up dude because he

was on some sort of a medication and

that medication made him racist. Like it

didn't make any sense. The whole the

whole thing was nuts. And I remember

everybody saying, "What an amazing

movie." I'm like, "God, I felt bad for

her. Like, get the [ __ ] out of that

relationship. Find someone who's nice to

you. This is crazy."

>> Yeah.

>> This is crazy. Like it didn't make any

sense. And I remember like arguing with

people on a set about it and like they

were all like, "Uh, oh, I thought it was

an amazing film." Like they had to say

it, right? It was Jack Nicholson. Oh,

no. It was amazing movie. I was like,

"That movie is [ __ ] depressing, man."

Like that was all that poor lady had.

>> She This [ __ ] [ __ ] this old

[ __ ] was

>> was it was like the movie Precious.

>> I didn't see that.

>> Yeah, I heard that was just you were

just watching it. You're like, "Well,

nothing else bad could happen." And then

it's

>> another thing happens.

>> No, it's just gets worse. And by the end

of it, you're just you're just feeling

like why are we alive?

>> Yeah. I don't like those kind of movies.

I don't want to feel depressed and

>> No. Okay. So So then you got

>> then news radio.

>> News radio.

>> So that I stayed in in LA just because I

had a lease. That was it.

>> I'm not kidding. I was so ready to go.

>> You were not going to break that lease.

>> I was trying to say I didn't have the

money. I was like I was like, "Okay, I

have some money cuz I did the sitcom for

six episodes." So, I had some money. So,

I was like, "How much money would it

cost me to just [ __ ] pay this lease

off and just jet

>> and I was like, is that

>> I just stay here." And then I got

another development deal. I got a

development deal with NBC and they had

this p before I did a show. They said,

"We have this show that we have a pilot

for, but we're going to fire this one

person on the pilot." And would you you

come in and read for it?

>> Did you know did you know who was being

fired?

>> Yeah. Well, it was actually a friend of

mine.

>> Did you know at the time?

>> Well, he got repl Ray Romano. So, who's

a good friend of mine?

>> He's a friend of mine.

>> He's awesome. And I had worked with Ry

like multiple times in New York. But Ray

got fired and then they replaced him

with another guy who's in the pilot. And

then they decided to fire that guy. So,

I was like, "Okay, well, at least I'm

not taking Ray's job." I'm taking But

then Ray went out to do Everybody Loves

Raymond, which was him getting fired was

the best thing that ever happened to

him. So then I go in and um they they

let me watch the pilot. It was already

made and so I got to see it's Phil

Hartman and Dave Foley and Candy

Alexander and Mora Tyranny and Andy Dick

and Steven Root. I'm like holy [ __ ]

>> Yeah.

>> Like I can be on this show. The show was

amazing.

>> So I did that.

>> Then I did Fear Factor.

>> Well, how long was

news radio?

>> Five years.

>> Wow.

>> Yeah. But it really wasn't popular. It

was only popular on reruns once it yeah

once it got into syndication because we

moved around like over the course of

five years we moved nine times I believe

>> when when you were doing um news radio

that's right I don't know what years

>> it was 94 to 99

>> okay so I got curve your enthusiasm in

99 so before that I was working for

Robin Michelle Reiner

>> as as a personal assistant

>> and I was also doing like catering at

night sometimes just to to make ends

meet. And one of my jobs when and I

never knew what the job would be. You

know, they'd say show up here at

whatever 5:00.

One of my jobs one time was it news

radio. There was a little green room

where you know um agents and people VIP

>> and I was in charge of like making sure

the food on the table looked good.

>> That's hilarious.

>> I just stood there for hours. I think

Phil Hartman came in and was like, "Hey,

I didn't know him at the time. you know,

met him and uh he said, "Oh, you know,

who are you here to see?" I said, "Oh,

I'm just in charge of this table." But

that was my big job for the night.

>> My friend Joey Diaz, uh, who is at that

time he had just recently gotten out of

jail.

>> Um, he came to visit me on the set and,

uh, he realized that the good food was

all in the VIP green room. So, and he

back he's like he's he got overweight

for a while, but back then he wasn't.

Back then he just look like a big

football player. He's like a big scary

looking Cuban guy and he was in there

eating a shrimp cocktail and they were

like, "Who is the scary guy that's

eating and is he supposed to be in

here?" They all like freaked out cuz

Joey went into like the super secret

room and I was wondering I wonder if he

went in there when you were in there.

>> Oh, could you imagine if I was like,

"Excuse me, sir. You could only have six

shrimp. though. I have to watch the

table.

>> Well, he wasn't supposed to be in there.

He just went in. He was just my friend

hanging out and he just went in there.

He's like, "This is where the good food

is." And he went in there and started

chowing down. They were all freaking

out. It was very funny. It was very

funny. Um, but

>> but did you like LA any better when you

were doing news radio?

>> I always wanted to leave. I I I always

felt like it was radioactive. I always

felt like there's a part of this. It's

Look, the weather's great.

>> Beautiful.

>> The comedy store was amazing. It was

great to have that place, but there's

too many people. When there's that many

people, I think you devalue people. I

don't think people are worthwhile to

you. I think people are way better off

living in a small town or a small city.

I think it's healthier. I really

>> Yeah. I just I just think when people

become a when you get on the highway and

you see millions of people like [ __ ] and

you see like the 405 at like 400 p.m.

It's

>> like 10 lanes just bumper to bumper in

both directions

>> and everybody thinks that everybody else

is annoying because you're in your way.

Everybody on the on the road. Yeah. Get

in front of you like you're not going

anywhere and someone decides to get in

front of you like this [ __ ] guy.

True. Everybody gets crazy.

>> It is true.

>> Not healthy. No,

>> I felt like that wasn't healthy and I

really hated the whole mentality behind

the group think that was a part of

Hollywood because everybody's trying to

get cast in something and in order to

get cast in something, you have to be

you have to ingratiate yourself with the

producers and the casting directors.

Everybody has to like you. So, you have

to have the same opinions as they do.

And if you don't, you have to fake it.

And I was like, this is gross. Like,

this is gross. The way they behave is

gross. The casting people would treat

treat you was gross. I didn't like it at

all. Well, you mean just going in and

auditioning because No, it was hard.

>> Well, there was a lot of it where there

was like this arrogance. This like this

like they're giving you this chance, so

they're like really arrogant. I was

like, "Hey, I don't even care about

this." Like

>> that's why you got the part.

>> Probably got some of the things. It's

why I got uh Fear Factor because I was

the only one who made fun of it.

>> And did you you never had to do you

never had to like eat the spiders?

>> I I ate a bunch of stuff. I ate some

spiders. Yeah. I ate a Iraqi cave

spider. I ate a Madagascar hissing

cockroach. I ate a tomato hornw worm.

>> I ate a sheep's eyeball. I ate a bunch

of stuff cuz I ate it just to show the

people that you could eat it.

>> Ew. Did you ever throw up after?

>> No. I only threw up once at home.

>> I was You waited until you got home.

>> Villa was really good at editing. They

did a great job. And there was this girl

that was she was she had

>> sound like Bobby. Bobby has never thrown

up. It's just that he doesn't. So, he

will eat anything and do anything. And

>> well, I've definitely thrown up. Um, but

this time it was this lady was eating

worms and she had to swallow the worms

and she couldn't. So, she spit them up

into the glass and then she had she

could keep going if she could reink what

was in the glass that she already spit

up. And so, she did it. I went

ran into the kitchen and threw up in the

sink. And I was like, how? And I kept

thinking, how odd, like what a great job

they did with like the editing and the

music that it got me so wrapped up in

it. Even though I was at home, I was

like 5 feet away from that lady while

she was doing that. I didn't throw up.

>> And it didn't bother you.

>> It bothered me, but I was trying to help

her. I was trying to get her talk her

through it.

>> That's why you were so good on it

because you were never making fun of

people. You were

>> I definitely made fun of people.

>> Well, but but not but not in a You're so

crazy to be on this show. And why are

you crying? you're the one that wanted

to come on. You were you were very uh

>> I wanted to help them try I wanted to

help them at the very least do their

best. And there was a lot of it that I

said, "Look, I know this sounds crazy,

but if you just force yourself to chew

this and swallow it, you could do it.

You got to just take your mind out of

this place. It's not that bad." And

sometimes I would eat things just to

show them.

>> Ew.

>> Like I ate a roach just to show my I'll

eat this if you do. Like I want you eat

this roach. It's not that big a deal.

>> Ew. Did you chew it? Yes.

>> Yeah. You have to. You can't swallow it.

It'll be what it tastes like.

>> Not much.

>> Yeah. They don't They don't

>> Yeah, I know. It's But it's in your

head. It doesn't

>> crunchy. Sure.

>> Real crunchy.

>> Yeah.

>> But the actual taste itself was not bad.

>> It I mean, it wasn't good. It wasn't

like I look forward of roaches.

>> And what about rats? Did you do a lot of

rat work?

>> We did work with rats where people had

to like lie in a thing in a coffin and

covered them with rats and the rats

would be nibble on.

>> Uhuh.

>> Yeah. That's not good. But they were pet

rats. I mean, they were fed a healthy

diet.

>> Rats.

>> They were They were like raised rats.

They weren't like dangerous street rats

that have been eating each other.

>> Did any I mean, you probably can't talk

about it, but did anything ever go

horribly

>> horribly wrong? No. Really?

>> No. The We got lucky, though. It's just

luck. I really believe that

>> because uh we made them ride bulls once

and

>> Yeah. And you can't control a bull.

>> I told the people, "Don't do it." When

when all the contestants I said, I

wouldn't do this. I'll tell you right

now, I don't think you should do it

>> because it's not worth it. I go, the

kind of catastrophic injury that you get

from a bull stomping on your face, it's

like, you don't come back from that.

Okay? You have to understand, there's

not a 0% possibility that this bull will

stomp you or kick you while you're in

the air being launched off its body and

get kicked in the face. Like, that's

possible. Don't do it. I wouldn't do it.

>> Some people would back out, right?

>> They all did it.

>> They all did it.

>> They all did it. I think I'm pretty sure

they got anybody back from the bull. How

do you I mean this

>> they got they flew this one lady weighed

like 98 lbs and she got she got bucked

and she went flying and landed right on

her back and was like knocked out.

>> Yeah, it was horrible. I I would have

never done that. I mean, and look, I've

had Bill Bull riders on the podcast

before. I I you know, I've talked to

multiple We had Bull Riders on Fear

Factor.

>> Doesn't it This is You might know this

is

>> Is that you? Yeah. Did you see it?

>> What a great tone. Hey, put him on

speaker phone.

>> Seriously?

>> Yeah. Why not?

Honey, you're on speaker. I'm here with

Joe.

>> We're on the podcast.

>> You're on the podcast, so don't swear.

>> Hello.

>> Can you hear me, honey? You're on. I'm

We're talking to Joe right now at your

live.

>> Well, thanks.

Hey, Joe. I'm looking forward to seeing

you in a couple of weeks.

>> Yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing you,

too. You probably shouldn't have told

people that cuz then they'll start

attacking you. Is there anything you

need to tell me or?

>> I was just gonna ask you to be nice to

my wife.

>> Oh, why didn't you call me?

>> I'm in tears over here, honey. It's

really It's going horribly.

>> All right. Well, bring me back some of

that alpha

>> alpha brain.

>> Yeah, we'll do.

>> Okay, baby. I love you.

>> Take care.

>> Love you.

>> Bye, Bobby. Love you, too.

>> Sorry.

>> That's hilarious. What was the uh what

were you showing me?

>> That Mexican OT did bull stuffing.

>> No, Mexican O did it.

>> He got [ __ ] up.

>> No, I mean he got up and ran away, but

he's

>> Oh my god.

>> This is a guest that was on my podcast.

He's awesome. He's a brilliant rapper.

>> Oh my goodness, dude.

>> Got him good.

>> Oh my goodness, dude.

>> That's so terrible.

>> Oh my goodness, dude. Don't do that no

more.

>> I mean, can I ask a question to

>> to the men? I mean, do you wear special

equipment down there when you

>> Yes, I I assume they do. They might not

while they're doing that cuz I saw one

guy get a horn right up his butt.

>> Yeah, but there's no special equipment

is going to protect you there.

>> But what about your

>> Yeah, you should wear a cup.

>> You should wear something.

>> Yeah. Yeah,

>> cuz that's doesn't seem like that's

healthy.

>> Nope. Definitely not healthy.

>> I don't think there's anything healthy

about it, right?

>> No, definitely not healthy.

>> I mean, it's just like a lot of pressure

on your

>> Oh, yeah.

>> For sure. Yeah. Yeah.

>> Have you ever done it?

>> What?

>> Oh, what?

>> Bull riding. Yeah.

>> No. No. I told you I would never do

that.

>> I thought you were just telling the

other people not to do it.

>> Oh, no. I would. No. No. No. No. No. I I

I have a healthy respect for animals.

>> Yeah.

>> Especially big ones. I think people get

super delusional. We also get super

delusional when we compare size. Like if

you say, "Oh, a monkey smaller than me."

That thing will [ __ ] kill you. Like

don't get crazy. It'll pick your eyes

out, right?

>> Oh, they rip your face apart. Yeah.

There there's a crazy video of this guy

in India who's sitting down and he lets

this monkey like sit on his lap and he's

like being all calm with the monkey and

then the monkey just decides to tear a

giant chunk off his scalp

>> and the way it does it it just bites his

head and just yanks like a

football-sized piece of meat off this

guy's head and you're like

>> and there's no stopping it. There's no

stopping it once it starts happening.

>> You don't know how strong they are. Like

>> imagine being so strong you could just

rip someone's skin clean off their head

>> and this is like a little thing little

30 lb.

>> It looks adorable.

>> Yeah. And he thought he was being cute.

It's like I'm going to be peaceful.

>> I won't play it cuz I don't know if she

wants

>> Oh, yeah. No, I can't watch it. But

>> you want to watch it?

>> No, I don't. Do you want You can watch

it. I'll look away.

>> So, he lets this thing on his lap

>> and then it just decides to bite his

head. Look at it real quick.

>> Gosh.

>> Oh my gosh.

>> He's missing a giant chunk off his head.

My god.

>> Yeah. So he he's scarred for life. He's,

you know, it was a dumb decision. You

let that thing dominate you. He didn't

understand what he was doing.

>> No.

>> He let that thing get on top of the

thing just decided for no reason. He

just bite his head.

>> No. We used to have a pet emu.

>> They're the dumbest birds by the way.

>> They are so dumb. Their heads are tiny.

So their brain must be And the rest of

them is big. So, you just had this emu

like coming at you every day.

>> Wow.

>> It wasn't relaxing. I used to It got to

the point where I had to walk I had to

walk outside with a shovel

>> just to protect yourself from the evil.

That's crazy. I have a friend who has

ostriches. Ostriches.

>> Are they nicer? I wonder if they're

nice.

>> He says the same thing. He hates them.

He He He has this big ranch in Texas and

he got ostriches. He's like, "Dude, I

hate these things." Like, look at that

face.

>> No, it's terrible. They're mean. And you

know,

>> they tried to bite us on Fear Factor,

too. We had an episode where they had to

drink a whole ostrich egg.

>> Ew.

>> A raw ostrich egg. Ew.

>> But the ost we had ostriches in the

background. They started just [ __ ]

with people like biting their heads.

>> Yeah. But they'll peck you.

>> Yeah. They'll peck you.

>> You know what else is dumb? What's this

lady was a falconer? That that's what

they're called, right? When someone

falconer when they train.

>> Yeah, that's Bobby. Bobby wrote the

book.

>> Yes.

>> Oh. Um, so this lady, she had a golden

eagle. She had a couple. The falcons are

the most fascinating. Um, but then she

had an owl and she's like, "Owl is

they're first of all, one misconception

is that owls are smart." She goes, "They

are so dumb. They're the dumbest birds

next to emos. Only emos are dumb than

dumber than owls."

>> I didn't know that.

>> I was like, really? That's why like why

do we have this, you know,

>> idea that they're don't pollute.

Remember?

Yeah.

>> Why do we think they're wise? I mean,

he's counting how many licks it takes to

get to the center of a Tootsie Roll Pop.

Remember?

>> Yes. But he But he could never get to

it. So, maybe we should have learned.

Yeah, this guy's full of [ __ ]

>> Yeah, he's full of [ __ ] He's a fake

professor.

>> We've had some We've had some owls in

our day with Bobby.

>> Oh, pets.

>> Yeah. I mean, yeah.

>> Is this Bobby? No. No. This is someone

>> I saw this going around the internet.

>> What is this?

>> Is that a falcon?

>> You can't see where it is.

>> That looks like an eagle.

>> He sees it from way up.

>> Is that an eagle or a hawk? What is

that? Does it say?

>> It doesn't say. I don't know if it said

specifically. Again, it's another

Facebook link.

>> They had a golden eagle. The golden

eagle is amazing. But it kept trying to

land. We had a little campfire outside.

It tried kept trying to land on the

fire.

>> That's weird.

>> Why is this bird so stupid?

>> That looks like a hawk.

>> Yeah, it looks like a hawk.

>> Yeah.

>> So, this lady had she had hawks and

falcons and she's like, "The problem

with hawks is

>> as soon as like you let them loose, they

immediately find something to kill."

She's like, "They just everything that's

near them, they kill." She goes like,

"This sucker kills birds. He kills

squirrels." Like, you let the owl go,

the owl just like

>> goes over there. He'll come back to you.

The eagle, the same thing.

>> Not the hawks. The hawks like, "It's

time to kill."

>> No, that's what they do. It's weird.

>> Like I said, Bobby loves hawks and

falcons. And he will I went hawking with

him once.

>> How do you do that?

>> Um, well, you you have these They do it

in twos like these two birds. And

>> are they his birds?

>> Yes.

>> So he's trained these birds.

>> He's trained them and the other a

>> that's kind of a crazy thing to be good

at.

>> It's a very crazy but look even since he

was young. But so it's it's pretty

fascinating because you have to do it

when after the leaves have fallen from

the trees and there are two birds that

hunt together and they go up into the

trees and then it's really beautiful at

first for me cuz it's

>> until the carnage.

So they start they start going from tree

to tree and they're communicating with

each other and they'll see a you know

bunny a cute sweet

>> you see where this is going and they see

a bunny down there and they go and they

go and one of them does something and

then the other one swoops down and grabs

it and they just

>> tear it apart and the next thing you

know it's just you know bunny guts.

Yeah.

>> So it's cute until then but it's pretty

fascinating to watch them do it. There

was some kind of a war in my backyard

that was going on for a while. And I

don't know what animal was doing it, but

I found a bunch of beheaded hawks.

>> Wow.

>> Yeah. I don't know what bird was killing

the hawks, but they'll they'll kill the

hawk and and rip its head off.

>> Well, ask Bobby. He will know.

>> Oh, I bet

>> he will know.

>> I assume it was something bigger.

>> But yeah, they're big already. It's hard

to imagine what

>> an owl. Owls eat hawks. I'm really But

are they fast enough to get an owl as

fast?

>> Yeah, owls uh are silent. And the the

thing about owls is there's a really

interesting video that you could find

where they take a bunch of different

birds and they have them fly from point

A to point B and then they have a sound

uh meter and the sound registers

registers the decibb of their flight

>> like they may

>> owls. It's almost completely silent.

>> They're so silent. They're so sneaky.

So, there's a great black and white

video of this owl in it's uh it's night

vision, the the camera, and you see this

owl swooping up on a on a hawk's nest

and snatches a hawk right out of the

nest.

>> Oh my god. I wonder.

>> It comes out of nowhere. Like, you just

see eyes in the distance.

>> Yeah, it's really weird. I don't think

I've ever seen an owl in flight, but not

that I

>> in real life, you mean? Oh, I did when I

where I used to live.

>> Is it only at night? Yes, I've only seen

him fly at night, but where I live, one

time I was driving home and there was

this owl that was right on the side of

the road. And as I was driving, he took

off with a rabbit in his in his talons

and then just decided he didn't want to

carry this rabbit anymore and let it go.

Like maybe it was dangerous cuz the

rabbit was kind of big. And then the

rabbit dropped in the middle of the

road. So I pulled the car over and I got

out and I looked at this like gutted

rabbit

>> and this owl who had just jacked this

rabbit and then

>> just decided

>> that's so weird that it he I'm assuming

it was an aggressive male owl.

>> It might have been a female protecting

it or giving it young food. A lot of

them is that

>> I mean I wonder if the uh rabbit was

diseased or something.

>> No, it was food. No,

>> but how but that's

>> the rabbits can't even hear it coming.

That's the thing about owls. That's why

they're such brilliant nocturnal hunters

>> is because like see if you can find that

video of the an the birds the different

sounds between they like there's a hawk

there's a eagle and then the owl

>> it's like nothing. It just swoops in and

just snatches them. They eat a lot of

cats too by the way.

>> Yeah.

>> I didn't know that.

>> Yeah. A friend of mine found um there

was an owl nest and he found like six

cat collars in the nest.

Oh, I I always just assumed it was

coyotes.

>> It is a lot of coyotes, but it's also

owls. Owls kill a lot of people's cats.

>> That is crazy.

>> Yeah. And they can fly with your cat.

That's what's crazy. So, watch

>> to fly over a series of super sensitive

microphones.

>> So, that's a pigeon. Super loud.

>> Oh, she's

a hawk.

Pretty

loud.

>> Now watch the owl.

>> It's Kenz's turn.

>> Nothing.

You don't hear anything. Isn't that

crazy?

>> You don't even hear the wings?

>> Nope. And those are super sensitive

microphones.

>> Yeah.

>> Wow.

>> Now, see if you can find the video of

the owl snatching the hawk out of the

nest. That's so crazy. I didn't know

this.

>> Yeah, owls are super predators. Yeah,

they they see so well at night and they

have those big heads.

>> Yeah. Then their heads can turn crazy

eyes. Yeah. Watch this. So, see those

those dots in the distance? That's them.

Watch this.

>> Snatch.

>> The other hawk barely knows what the

hell happened.

>> Oh my snatch.

>> God.

>> Yep. Just steals them right out of the

nest. Owls are big, too. They seem to be

work alone. They seem a little Yes. like

lonesome.

>> Yeah. Well, I mean, you can't fly a

flock of owls,

>> you know.

>> But like the hawks when they hunt, they

hunt together, you know, when they're

communicating.

>> They have to. They make so much noise.

>> Yeah, that's true.

>> They got a clumsy approach where the owl

sneaky.

>> And how about the pigeons? They do not

have a chance.

>> Not a chance. So loud.

>> What do they eat?

>> Um, that's a good question. That's a

good question. I know what eats pigeons

though.

>> What?

>> Rats in New York City. There's a crazy

video of a rat in New York City grabbing

a pigeon and attacking it and eating it.

Yeah. And dragging it away. You've never

seen that.

>> I like that you think that's what I'm

looking at online.

>> What are you looking at online? Passion

tips.

>> It's not that.

>> You if you want to live in a big city,

that's that's the nature that you get.

You get rats and pigeons.

>> There are a lot of rats in DC.

>> Rats kill pigeons all the time. Rats

kill pigs.

>> Yeah. If they catch them slipping,

they're close enough where they can grab

them. Yeah.

>> It's disgusting.

>> Oh, rats are disgusting.

>> Have you ever watched that documentary

on Netflix called Rats?

>> No.

>> Whoa.

>> Why would never?

>> You should.

>> No. God, no.

>> It's a game changer.

>> No.

>> It's so It's so nutty when you find out

that the biomass

>> of rats in New York City is roughly

equal to the biomass of people.

>> E. Meaning the weight of all the people

in New York City is roughly equal to the

weight of all the rats in New York City.

>> That's gross. But you lived in New York.

>> Is that accurate?

>> I think that's accurate.

>> It might be the numbers. Might be the

same number of people as there are rats.

But I also

>> You can have a problem when you live

there.

>> I didn't live there. I lived in New

Relle, which was a suburb.

>> That's a That's nice.

>> Westchester.

>> Kind of.

>> I was a road comedian and I needed a

parking spot. I couldn't I couldn't

afford to park in New York City. It was

like it's too hard.

>> Yeah. like it was like, you know,

whatever it was for a parking spot was

like half my rent. I was like, I can't

afford that.

>> Yeah.

>> Also, I don't like it. I don't like

being stacked on top of people like

that. All my friends who live there,

they're like, yeah, I don't even know my

neighbors. I'm like, there's a guy right

across six feet away from you. You don't

even [ __ ] know him. That's kind of

crazy.

>> No, they're always

>> banging around.

>> Yeah. Moving furniture.

>> Not interesting.

>> Not your vibe.

>> So, here it is for con the big picture

comparison. uh 8.3 million humans at 70

kg each are about 580,000 metric tonses

of human. So rats at roughly 0.102%

of human biomass in New York City even

though they're extremely visible.

>> Oh, so it's only like less than a

percent.

>> Mhm.

>> Wait a minute.

>> Well, they're t they're tiny. I mean,

compared to

>> So the number of rats is the number of

rats the same. Is that what I'm getting

wrong? an estimated about 3 million rats

in New York City, but there's like 10

million people.

>> That's disgusting.

Three million rats.

>> I don't think they really know.

>> This is I think they're probably

underestimating it because the

underneath the city is where all the

rats live. There's no way they're doing

an accurate count of all the rats.

>> I feel like LA

>> Oh, I know what I screwed up on. This is

what I screwed up on. It's actually ants

with the biomass of ants on Earth.

>> I think that's true. I think the biomass

of ants on Earth is roughly equal to the

biomass of people.

>> The things that are going on inside your

head are insane.

>> That is a kooky number though. If it's

true, it is a cookie.

>> We might find out that's wrong, too.

>> I think it's right, though. Is that what

it is?

>> Um,

rats in New York City

>> are aggressive and cute.

>> Oh, okay. That's not true either.

>> Yeah.

>> Is that right? What What is that? Get

rid of that little source thing.

>> I can't. It's

>> okay. It's not showing. It's unblocking.

>> Oh, there it goes. Um,

>> quadrillion.

>> 20 crogillion.

>> I never even seen that word.

>> I either

>> 20 quadrillion individuals worldwide.

That's the number of ants.

Wow.

>> I mean,

>> so it's 20% of human dry biomass. What

does that mean? After you peed and more

than all the wild birds and mammals

combined. That's crazy. There's more

weight from ants than all the mammals

and birds combined.

>> That's crazy.

>> That is crazy.

>> But I

>> That is crazy. I have them in my

backyard and they're leaf cutter ants.

No, they're cool.

>> They're cute. They carry all those

little tiny

>> It's weird. It's like, how do you guys

know? How do you know to do this?

>> And they work together.

>> They work together. Yeah. Well, they

have the ex Have you ever seen what the

leaf cutter ant colonies look like under

the surface?

>> No.

>> So, they take them and they

unfortunately they do a genocide on the

leaf cutter ants for science and they

fill up their entire colony with cement

>> and so they show what the structure.

>> You mean when they were studying?

>> Yes. Okay.

>> Well, this is how they find out. You

have you have to kill everybody and turn

them into concrete. And so this enormous

leaf cutter ant colony that's

underground, then they dig it up and

only the cement is left and it's

bananas. It's so

>> little tunnel like little

>> They have fermented fermentation tubes.

So they have an area where they put

leaves in to ferment and then they have

a tunnel that goes up to the surface so

it can get air.

>> That's crazy.

>> So this is it. They fill up. This is the

ant the leaf cutter ant colony. Look at

the ones on the outside going the [ __ ]

That's a rock. My cousin's in there.

>> They are freaking out.

>> Yeah, they're freaking out. And so then

they have to excavate and they dig out

this area and it is absolutely

massive.

>> Oh, so these are That's the concrete

that

>> Exactly. So the concrete that's left is

what the colony actually looks like

underground. It's enormous. It's like

the size of a house.

>> Like look at that. Look what they have

to do with these stupid [ __ ] ads that

you can't even get rid of that cover a

quarter of your screen. But look, pause

that real quick.

>> Look at that.

>> That is crazy.

>> Bananas. Absolutely bananas.

>> A tiny little ant. And all of his

friends can make something like that.

Like that.

>> I like that they're all friends. I think

that there are some that are like, I

hate that [ __ ] So lazy.

>> We're all working our asses off and he's

just over there like taking it easy.

Well, there's some ants where um the

females will find the male and they cut

his legs off, his arms and legs off, and

then carry him to uh to the colony so

that he could breed.

>> Find that. Which what ant? Which ant is

that? Yeah. They find him and they cut

his arms and legs off so he can't go

anywhere

>> and he just does one thing away.

>> Wow.

>> Yeah. Like we need

>> You think he thinks it's an honor? I

don't think he thinks,

>> right? How can he?

>> I don't know.

>> I think they're like they're almost like

little robots, little biological robots.

>> It seems like they are working together

and coming up with plans and you know,

>> landscapes and

>> they But the thing is it's this is a

universal thing. This is what's really

weird. Like here we are in Texas, but

there's probably leaf cutter ants right

now in Florida. There's probably leaf

cutter ants right now all over the

world. And they're all doing a similar

thing underground. But leaf cutter, so

they're completely different than say

red ants.

>> Yeah. I mean, there's a bunch of

different kind of ants, but the thing

that differentiates leaf cutter ants is

that they go to trees, they chop off

their leaves, they take these little

pieces of it, and then they carry it

back into their leaf cutter ant colony.

And then they have all these places

where they store the leaves, and the the

leaves ferment, and they kind of rot,

and then they have air pipes that go up

to the surface. It's super super

complex. Wow.

>> And it and it just makes you think like

what how do they know to make this

chamber and then a passageway to the

chamber and how do they all know all

over the world?

>> It's very weird. It's a very weird thing

that they do. But I have them in my yard

and I just sit there and watch them.

>> I can only find stuff about them

amputating uh the limbs for uh like

saving their lives, not breeding.

>> Now is it it was a specific kind of

>> No, I typed it in four different times.

That's all I could get was that

>> fe queen ants will amputate their wings

afterwards, but I didn't see anything

about cutting off a male's limbs and

dragging them from breeding. It says

they all do it to address wounds.

>> I wish I can remember what it was. It