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Hi and welcome to iconic rides. Every

now and then we get invited to something

special and today we are here at

something very special. We are here at

Doc Wob in the beautiful English

countryside to talk dirt bikes. Doc Wob

is owned by Rob Walters who have built

many iconic dirt bikes over the years

which have gone on to win many global

events.

Rob, thank you so much for having us

here today. So, tell me, who is Rob

Walters and where are we now?

>> Uh, we're just at home in my office.

This is where we do the podcasts. Um,

I'm just a bike mechanic

>> from Worcester. Nothing.

>> I think just a bike mechanic is a little

underplayed right there. Um, but first

I'll go into Doc Wob. Where did that

name come from?

>> Uh, it's a bit of a long and drawn out

thing. I used to do an article with Dirt

Bike Rider magazine, the big magazine in

the motocross industry. And they were

doing they wanted to do a how-to. How do

you change tires? How do you put

stickers on? How do you bleed the

brakes? And they wanted an angle on

that. So, they put me in a white coat

and a stethoscope. and my neighbors

always wobbly so they just got shortened

to do wobb. And then when I started the

business that's what everybody knew me

as.

>> That is great.

>> So it seemed silly not to use it.

>> What a great

>> but also added to that I went I was in

the states a lot working and I needed a

work visa.

>> So they had to put me on the magazine as

employee staff so I could apply for the

work visa spend the time in the states

because I was in the states 15 years on

and off.

>> Nice. Okay. So now I'm always going to

visualize you with the the white coat.

>> That's the white coat and that's where a

lot of people know me from.

Where did your passion for dirt bikes

actually come from and who was your hero

growing up?

>> I've got no idea where my passion come

from. I was just a kid. My my parents

are both school teachers, not into it in

the least.

>> Um, friend of mine had a little bike and

I got on that and that was me done

>> really for life.

>> What age was that would you say?

>> Seven or eight probably. And I didn't

get my own bike till I was 15.

>> Just wanted one more than life itself

and you end up getting one and now we've

got a few. So it's okay.

>> Just a few.

And then Mahero, it's got to be Dave

Thorp

>> from our generation. You got a guy

called Dave Thorp. He was like

three-time world champion,

>> but at the top of his game for many

years.

>> Nice.

>> And like when the first Grand Prix, the

world championship I went to was him in

like 85 at Farley Castle, which is where

we have one of our events now. And to

see him come from last to first, he

crashed in the first turn. And the whole

place was just like a a sea of people.

It was unbelievable. And I stood behind

his dad who was his mechanic. It was

Keith right there, the pictures. And I'm

like, that's what I want to do because I

knew I wasn't fast enough to be a rider,

>> right?

>> But I'm like, I did used to race, but I

wasn't good enough. I ran out of money,

ran out of talent pretty quick,

>> right?

>> I figured I could be a mechanic. Yeah.

So, I stood there behind Keith and I

tell Keith to this day, you were the

reason I do this now.

>> Wow.

>> It's okay. Well, honestly, that's such a

lovely story though. It's great to see

someone come from bottom to top and

really follow.

>> Yeah. I mean, I have no no A lot of

times people their family get him into

it. I just didn't know anybody. Didn't

know anything. Who are the type of

customers that come here to Doc Wob for

a rebuild for an iconic dirt bike?

>> We don't do so much of that. We do a

few. I mean, they're quite wealthy guys

usually cuz they're not cheap. We We

don't do cheap. Um most of the bikes we

build we own. So, we buy them, we build

them, we then race them and sell them.

That's tends to be the most. Um we did

have a business where we sold bought and

sold used dirt bikes, but that market's

really hard work now. So, we've moved

our business interests into the titanium

and the fasteners and the stuff we make

now.

>> Yeah.

>> Um, but as far as the customers, yeah, I

mean, they're, like I say, they're

fairly wealthy individuals. Usually,

they've got good tastes. They know what

they like. And because I've been around

from the 80s, I know what these bikes

are supposed to look like, how they're

supposed to work. There's a lot of guys

you see doing restoration work and

you're like, "Oh, yes. Lovely, lovely

workmanship, but it looks wrong because

you haven't done this the right color or

you haven't done that the right thing."

Whereas, if you want it to look like

it's supposed to look, well, that we can

do.

>> Well, you pay for quality really, don't

you?

>> Yeah. I mean, I don't know. There's

plenty of people who could do what I do.

There's not many people who can be

bothered.

>> Mhm.

>> So, it's painstaking. And, you know, if

you had to count all the hours we spend,

I'm sure we don't make any money.

>> Wow. That's crazy. Well, I know that

you've got a small team behind you, but

very highly skilled. Tell me a little

bit about them and what their roles are

here.

>> Well, Tonyy's my workshop manager and

he's my right-hand man really. I mean,

I'm quite often darting around. I'm on

the phone, but Tone's just in the

workshop, head down doing his thing. Um,

then we got Harvey who's the sales

manager. Harvey looks after the sales

side. Any orders come in, he deals with

my wife who's also the admin, and she's

the admin for the events as well. So,

she oversees all the paperwork side. So

between her and half, they saw the

orders out, payment links. Then we've

got Darren who works in the warehouse

packing and helping listing parts,

taking pictures, listing parts. And

we've got Martin who's our engineer.

Martin works three days a week. And uh

he was former Ministry of Defense

engineer, and he um

>> he's a whiz. He makes like one-off stuff

for us, sample stuff. We um we do all 3D

printing. So when we make something, we

have to 3D print it to make sure that

when it goes to a CNC machine and we

make a 100 of them, it fits. It works.

>> Now I understand that you use some very

exotic materials when building. Can you

tell me anything about that?

>> Mostly titanium. Um like that's the bolt

business. I started the bolt business

because when I was restoring bikes, if

if I can't find it, that would sound

big, you can't get it,

>> right?

>> And we were all mechanics have got a

little stash of titanium bolts cuz a set

of bolts for a bike were traditionally

£45,000 just for the bolts.

>> Wow.

And so I started looking into it and

with modern manufacturing techniques

that price has come right down and you

can buy the material in big enough bulk,

cheap enough. Um, so I went to a Formula

1 friend of mine who's manufacturing

wheel nuts and all that stuff. Sat with

him and we talked about

material specs and how to make the

stuff. So um, Martin helps us with all

that side of things.

>> Brilliant. Okay, lovely. Um, do you have

a favorite bike that's been through doc

wobb and why?

>> I think the white Chesterfields for some

reason. All the bikes we've built. Um,

we did a black Chesterfield Yamaha one

year and we did a white one and the

black bike was more iconic, but when we

built it, it looked looked lovely, but

the white one really popped. I don't

know why,

>> but that white Chesterfield bike and we

had an American rider Mike Brown and he

really went fast on it.

>> Nice.

>> So, not only did it the bike looked

good, he made us look good.

>> Brilliant. That's really good to hear.

Another part of your business is

promotional events. Tell me a little bit

about these and how they came about.

>> Well, we always used to build bikes for

a vets event called VMXDN Farley from

0809. We'd build bikes. We'd show up

there because the American riders would

come in. They'd come in cuz they knew me

and they knew that we' provide a bike

that was okay. Otherwise, they don't

know what they're walking into.

>> So, once you said, "Look, well, we'll

build a bikes, they'll be this, they'll

be that." And then you get a word, you

get a name for it. So, that was always

good. Um then in like 2021,

Dave King, who's my friend who was one

of the promoters for the races, he had a

falling out with the other promoter and

they were going to let him go and he

said to me, "Or if I weren't here, would

you do it?" I'm like, "No, I'm done. If

you're done, I'm done." And then we got

talking and I said, "We should do an

event ourselves. I think we can do

better than this." So that's basically

the seed started.

>> We then approached certain tracks. We

ended up with Fox, which is an iconic

British Grand Prix track from the '90s.

And because the Evo scene was always up

to an 89, then they moved it. It was

really hard to build these bikes. It was

all right when 10 years ago, but now

there's no parts. So to keep the bikes

affordable and in everybody's memory, we

moved the the parameters to like 08,

>> right?

>> And that when the two strokes kind of

were the best. And so that's what we

moved it to. And it just it's blown up.

It's absolutely. You couldn't have

wished for how busy it is. It's now the

biggest event in the country. The

biggest pets event in the world and

>> you must be very very proud.

>> We get three or 400,000 live stream

views. We were sponsored by Factory

Yamaha Corporate Factory Fox. All the

big brands.

>> No, that's

>> and we've got the range now on as a high

street. They're high street sponsors for

us. So the range Wilco home base.

>> Wow.

>> They're title sponsors for both events.

I mean this is high street stuff.

>> Um amazing. That's mainly because Chris

who owns it is an enthusiast. Let's not

kill.

>> You must be so so proud of yourself.

Like what?

>> It's weird how it's blown up. Yeah.

>> Such an incredible journey. Before we

go, I'd love to take a little look at

some of your bikes. What sort of bikes

do you have ready and available for us

to have a little look at?

>> We've got the Yamahas we've built for

this year's VMXDN Fox and Farley Castle

Vets. Um so we've got um a New Zealand

guy called Ben Townley on one. We've got

uh Allesia Chiod, three-time world

champion Italian guy. We've got Ryan

Cypes, Phil Nicolleti, and then for

Foxhill Farley. We've got Sam

Sunderland, who's two-time DAR winner,

and Guy Martin, who's TB guy.

>> So, they're going to be racing those.

So, they're here. Uh we've got a few

other bikes dotted around the place, but

at the moment, we're three weeks away

from the event. So, we're head down just

making sure these bikes are 110%.

>> Of course. What do you need to do within

the next three weeks then to make sure

that these bikes are just and spam

and ready? Well, we've built them, so we

need to put them through heat cycles,

basically where you warm them up, cool

them down three times just to bed

everything in.

>> Okay.

>> Um, these are 22-y old bikes, so nine

times out of 10, you put fuel in them.

Even though we've completely rebuilt

them, something's going to leak,

something's not right, something's going

to rattle. So, we have to go through

each bike individually. Um, each bike is

different. They look the same, but each

rider's got different weights, spring

preferences, handlebars, grips. We have

to personalize them to the rider before

they've even seen them.

>> That's so we have to get them somewhere

near

>> Unreal. So there's all that kind of last

minute prep.

>> What type of person are you when you are

watching your bikes race? Are you a

nailbiter? Are you a shoutter?

>> Bag of nerves. I'm just

>> The trouble is with putting bikes on

track, it's all well and good making a

bike look pretty and people taking

pictures.

>> You put a bike on track in the hands of

these guys best in the world, they're

going to break it. It's what they do.

They broken.

>> You kind of expect for the rope to

break.

>> They weren't they weren't reliable 25

years ago. They're certainly not now.

You know, it's 25 year old material,

most of it. And these guys are riding

them like a modern bike. And the riding

style's changed now to be much more

aggressive cuz the bikes can take it.

But they're taking that aggressive

riding style and riding these old 2000

2002 bikes and stuff's going wrong. We,

you know, we've got a pretty good record

of bikes not breaking, but there is five

on track. So, you're just making sure

they're all going all right, making sure

everything sounds good.

>> Yeah.

>> And just trying to also trying to watch

for lines. If there somebody else has

got a good line, I'll tell them. Um

because I don't go to the start so I can

watch the whole the whole race, but the

mechanics take the bikes down with the

pit boards and all that stuff and I just

stand there like on me own.

>> Oh bl shaking.

>> I just want it I want it to be over. I

just want it to be over.

>> Yeah.

>> Well, it sounds like such an amazing

day. Hopefully we can join you.

>> Yeah. Come down and have a look. It's a

really good day. It's a little bit

hectic.

>> Okay. So, before we go and take a look

at some of the bikes you have here, can

you tell me your top three bike garage

if you could have any three iconic bikes

from the past?

Can I have just three? Um,

Yamaha YM500. There's a bike Yamaha made

in 87 and 88 when I was doing the world

championships and I was working with KTM

and Yamaha never made a production 500.

They never made a watercooled and it was

just aluminium frame 18 years before

they came out in production with

aluminium frame. They only made it for 2

years. It is the coolest thing you'll

ever see and it still looks cool now.

So, you know, it was it's ungodly that

thing. Um, Dave Thorps factory Honda. I

was lucky enough to get the job of

rebuilding that and to be able to see

inside all the engineering was off the

scale.

>> I can imagine.

>> And then, uh, a Renaldi 250 Yamaha, the

Chesterfield bikes, they were iconic.

>> Yeah.

>> And that's what we try to replicate. um

or any ProCircuit built bike cuz the

ProCircuit guys do such a brilliant job

and they support us and I help Mitch out

who owns ProCircuit. It's a big company

makes exhaust pipes aftermarket stuff.

Their race bikes are

off the scale.

>> Phenomenal. Well, thank you very much

for that. So, shall we go and take a

look at some bikes?

>> I can show you what we got here. Yeah,

no problem.

>> Let's go.

>> So, Rob, tell us a little bit about

where we are right now. So this is what

we call the orange workshop. This is our

restoration shop. This is where stuff's

in bits for quite a long time, for

months,

>> because we can't start something and

then need the bench space, put it all

away, get it all out again. So it just

has to be like this is for four months.

All we've done is built these. So

they're all Yamahas in here right now,

and it's just

trying to keep each one built to each

ride specific specs, but also keeping

them all the same so they look the same,

>> of course. So they have to look the

same. Tell me a little bit about the

color scheme with all of them looking

the same.

>> Well, the color scheme for this year is

the Yamaha 70th anniversary. Um, we had

an embargo till the first week of July

because they were going to announce the

color scheme for the Moto GP road race

teams, the Grand Prix teams, and the

American teams all the same weekend. So,

we couldn't do anything till the day

after.

>> And then they had the color way. We had

to approve it all once they saw the

design. Um, but it has to go to

corporate Yamaha. They all have to sign

it off. It's quite unusual for us to

have to go through those.

>> Are they really picky? They can be, but

they want it right and that's fine, you

know. And what's really cool is Yamaha

are going to take the pictures we've got

and they put it on yamaha.com.

>> Nice.

>> Which is the first time a restoration

firm has featured on a manufacturer's

website cuz they only feature their own

bikes. They don't feature any third

party. So that's the first.

>> So you said each bike obviously looks

the same. Tell me about the little

different features that each bike

actually has inside of it.

>> Well, what we do, we speak to the rider

and we get their their weight with all

their helmet and the boots and the gear

on. So then the rear springs have to be

measured. We got a measuring tool there

and we have to measure the springs to

make sure they're the right weight for

the riders. American guys just want the

stiffest fork springs you can put in

there because the way their their style

is. European guys,

>> you have to do the fork springs to their

weight. And then they want their own

handlebar bend, their own grip

preference. Some guys will want

different ribs on the seat. Some want

two ribs, three ribs. They are quite

specific. Things like the lever heights

and all that stuff we can adjust when

they get here. And of course tires will

decide on the day,

>> right?

>> And also gearing because we've got so

many options for different gearing. If

it's wet and boggy, we'll have to have

different gearing than if it's dry and

hard.

>> Right. So, how much practice do they

actually get on this specific bike

before a race?

>> Most guys will only see it on like

they'll show up on the Wednesday, we'll

go and ride it for an hour or two. So,

we have to get it really close.

>> Wow. Um, and then there's another thing

with these older two-strokes is the

carburetor settings called jetting,

>> which is they can be really sensitive

and we have we have to use really

expensive fuel and that's also quite

sensitive to the jetting. But when you

get it right, it works good. But we've

got settings from last year, the year

before. So we've got a good base

setting.

>> Yeah.

>> And that's affected by altitude, air

density, the heat index. So we have to

make constant changes. But the good

thing is they're all the same.

>> Yeah. So, but the motors on these were

built by we we assemble them, but the

the actual tuning works done by a guy

called Mitch Payton, a ProCircuit in

America.

>> Okay.

>> And he sends the we send the cylinders

to him. He modifies those for the right

fuel. So, we've got 106 octane leaded

fuel, which is you couldn't use it on

the road. It's illegal for that. But for

race, close circuit race, it's okay.

>> Yeah.

>> And then they make the exhaust pipes.

So, three of these exhaust pipes we

could never sell.

>> Wow.

>> They're special. And he said, "You can't

sell them. If you smash them, great.

They just can't end up in the public

domain.

>> Right.

>> So, he doesn't want them back, but we

can't sell them.

>> Yeah. They're yours forever now,

basically.

>> Well, we'll just have to put them in the

skip when we're done with them. So, he's

worried that they're going to get out

and people are going to see what he's

doing. So, that's the big thing.

Everything's quite secretive with the

racing.

>> I can imagine. It's competitive, isn't

it? Is there a certain build that you

like specifically like yourself?

>> These all the same to me.

>> It's all the same.

>> I like Suzukis. I was a factory Suzuki

mechanic. I mean, I was a Honda and

Kawasaki guy, but Suzukis, they just

like the way they're assembled. I like

the way they put together. So, you know,

I'm yellow. I like an RM. I just do. And

it's just

>> I've got a passion for the company cuz I

work there and they're really nice and

really cool and I really appreciate the

way that they go about stuff.

>> They're just a different company to the

other Japanese guys I work with.

>> Yeah. Lovely. And you said that you have

another garage as well here. So, tell me

a little bit about the process of what

you do in that garage before it actually

the other workshop. There's the

engineering shop. There's the fab shop

which is the welding and cutting and all

the dirty grinding and stuff. So that's

I can take you over there in a minute.

That's the blue workshop we call that.

>> And that was done that's R&D. So if

we're manufacturing parts and we're

making a frame guard, we get a bike in,

we're measuring it, it goes into the

weld shop, goes into Martin who's got

his machine working there. So there's

three of us rather than sending it away

to an engineer in place and waiting for

it to come back. We just stand there for

10 minutes. He'll change it.

>> He'll try it and then stuff turns around

in hours rather than weeks.

>> Nice. So that's where we take stuff

apart

and then everything goes off to be

coated or plated. It all comes apart,

goes to different places around. Then we

fab the frames, then they get powder

coated. So just that's where all that

prep work gets done. Then they come in

here for assembly.

>> Fantastic. Well, I'll be interested to

have a little look in the other workshop

if you don't. I'm not sure what's in

there.

>> Thank you so much.

>> So tell me where we are now in this

workshop.

>> And this is now the blue workshop. This

is where stuff comes to be stripped.

Everything goes to where it's got to go

to the fab shop, the machine shop, and a

way to be powder coated, anodized,

whatever we do. Uh, I've been building

that little Suzuki in here because the

orange workshop's full of Yamahas. So,

>> is this just something like as a hobby

based or is it

>> That was a really special bike. That's a

really, really special 2000 um Travis

Pastana I5. He won the championship when

he was 16 riding that.

>> Wow.

>> So, that's like a bit of a passion

project of mine.

>> Oh, that's lovely. Got great history.

And then we've got a gent in here doing

some loud work as well.

>> Martin Martin the machinist is in here

doing some machining as he as he does.

>> Hi.

>> So tell me a little bit about what is

going on here.

>> We do like oneoffs R&D stuff. We don't

do massive production run stuff in here.

A lot of it's repair work on older

stuff. Yeah.

>> A lot of it is manufacturing

>> newer parts to fit older bikes. So

there's a lot of that involved. Um we

never seem to have a front wheel fits

without some kind of machining. But

Mart's really good. M understands. Not

many engineers understand motorbikes. So

we have to have somebody who understands

how a motorbike goes together.

>> This will give it a nice shine.

>> So that's just really smoothing it over

and giving it a bit of gloss.

>> Rob, tell us about this final little

workshop that we have here.

>> This is what we call the titanium room.

Again, it's blue, but it's the toy room.

This is where all the nuts and bolts

that we make. Mark the engineer sits

there and does all the drawings. So we

manufacture oversized brake kits,

overflow tanks, everything gets made in

plastic 3D print before we go ahead and

make the actual

>> Right. Okay. So, what do we do with the

plastic bit before making the actual

>> We bolt it onto a bike to make sure it

fits.

>> Brilliant.

>> You wouldn't want to use it and then

once we know it fits, we can go ahead

and get these made cuz you have to get

these made by the hundred and it gets a

bit spendy if it's wrong,

>> I can imagine. So, what are these little

parts that we're looking at at the

moment?

>> These are mainly brake carriers that

we're working on at the moment. We make

oversized brakes, so the brake works

better.

>> Yeah.

>> But when you think an oversized brake,

the brake needs to be further away from

the middle because the discs bigger. So,

we make the big discs and we make these

that will work with them.

>> Okay. Okay. And then we've got your

little um nut and bolt kind of.

>> Yeah. No, that's that's that's a bolt

kit that Harvey's picking right now. Um

we manufacture titanium bolts. We

started doing it just for the older

bikes that we built.

>> Then we got into the newer stuff and um

we now supply factory Honda, factory

Yamaha, factory Suzuki, factory KTM,

factory Husqana gas.

>> Amazing huge brand.

>> They all they all buy it off us. We're

technical partners, so we're not

sponsor.

>> Amazing. We don't get a sticker on the

bike, but we get a sticker on the van

and we get the right to use them in any

advertising we want.

>> Brilliant.

>> But that comes with its own. They're

quite hard work as you'd imagine. They,

you know, if they're buying it from

that, you've got to be able to source

the material back to foundry,

>> right?

>> Um, if we have a failure, it goes for

X-ray and it goes into the lab to find

out why it's failed.

>> Okay. And it's kind of pressure on you

in that

>> if I'm watching the TV and a bike

breaks, I'm like, what's broken on that?

So we have a little we have a few issue

not issues but

>> if you know we work with the teams

they're really good and what what is

good for us then whatever we end up with

the team we can supply the customers

it's not especially for them

>> okay

>> so what we make we sell to the customers

so it's the same stuff as factory Honda

and all these other guys are using every

one of these cupboards

there's probably £200,000 in each one of

these cupboards

>> £200,000 of nuts and bolts

>> in each one and that is crazy

>> so now now we're at the stage where

we're pretty much stocked up we get

really busy time in like September,

October for the race teams.

>> Yeah.

>> They order all their stuff in one hit.

They don't want it dribbs and drabs.

>> Wow.

>> They want their years worth of stuff in

one hit.

>> Then throughout the year, if they change

a break or they change a radio and they

need different bolts, they come on and

we send them just them bits.

>> Wow. That is insane.

>> But it is quite insane. When you go to

the World Championships and

>> and are those competitive prices in

regards to any of the other competitors

selling them?

>> Until we came along, a bulk it was like

£4,000.

>> That's £4,000 usually.

>> That's £1,000 we done.

>> Okay. So you're very very well you very

competitive price.

>> We obviously do cost price to the teams

but they do buy it. We don't we don't we

don't sponsor anybody.

>> Brilliant.

>> We can't afford to. It's too expensive.

>> Amazing. What makes these different to

any others then?

>> Titanium is basically half the weight of

a steel bolt. Stronger.

>> Yeah. It is very light.

>> It's light. I don't know where that come

from.

>> In there probably. Um and it doesn't

rust. Doesn't corrode. Um a lot of the

teams are using it like they'll get new

bikes every three races. Yeah. These

bolts are doing two years. So they're

taking them out of the box and reusing

them over and over again and nothing

else gets used.

>> Just the box.

>> Just our stuff. You just like can you

change it out?

>> So um I say basically if you assemble a

complete whatever the weight of that

when it goes out the door.

>> Yeah.

>> The standard bolts will weigh twice as

much.

>> Wow. Okay.

>> And you know weight equals horsepower.

>> Of course. Absolutely.

>> And you know there's less flex with

titanium bolts which is good in some in

some aspects and some aspects it's not.

So, some guys prefer steel bolts in

certain parts of the bike,

>> right?

>> They're all different. Trust me. All

these guys,

>> everyone just has their own preferences

by the sound of it. And this

>> they're all on the spectrum. Anyway,

>> aren't we all?

>> So, what's going on here?

>> The photo shoots this internet site

called Moto Hunters. Uh they're trying

to recreate the ' 90s days where it was

all girls and bikes. And so, they're

recreating that. They're doing a

calendar, I believe. And then with the

box, the team box, I rebuilt that. That

is a funky box van.

>> Yeah, it was I used to drive one of

those in the states where the factory

teams all used to have like we have five

or six all the same.

>> Yeah.

>> So, I redid it and so the van's a star

in its own right. It's quite weird. But

we use it for events and we use it to go

testing and racing.

>> Brilliant.

>> But these guys are just taking some

pictures. A bit of promo for the events.

>> Yeah.

>> But I think it's mainly for them to um

use on their Instagram pages.

>> Nice. Okay. So, they used to be

obviously the Broly Girls back in the

day and people like that. Whatever

happened to them? What? It's

>> all gone a bit politically correct,

didn't it? So, I think these guys are

trying to take it back to when it was

like a little bit a little bit rockstar,

a little bit punk.

>> I think that's what they're trying to

get to. So,

>> Richie asked me, I said, "I've got a few

bikes. Come take some pictures. I don't

care."

>> Nice.

>> You know, the only thing we can't do is

we can't do Yamahas. It's a bit more

corporate. We can't

>> We got to be mindful what we do there.

>> Absolutely.

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