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>> Gentlemen, [music] first of all, thank

you for being here. I couldn't wait to

talk to you. Congratulations on one of

the most epic accomplishments in the

history of combat sports. And that's not

an understatement. I mean, it might be

an understatement. I may It's not an

overstatement. It's perfect. That was

one of the greatest nights I've ever

experienced of watching anything in my

life. It was amazing. And to have you

cap it off and win the title when you're

facing a guy that everybody thought was

at least number two pound-for-pound. It

was like him and Islam or number one and

number two

>> and some odds had you at six to one,

which I thought was very disrespectful.

I thought I thought like

this is crazy. Like six to1's crazy.

Like Ilia is really good, but so is

Justin. This is kind of nuts. Like the

to have you win the way you won in front

of the [ __ ] White House.

>> Yeah.

>> How's it feel?

You know, it's really not real yet. Um,

I was expecting to have like um an

internal sense of relief that like I

don't have something to chase cuz I was

always chasing this belt and I was

expecting to wake up with like some kind

of natural

release of pressure. But I don't know. I

I don't feel that. I as the days go by

every day I feel a little bit more a

little bit more. Two days ago my dad was

like, you know, what is what was it like

waking up being the champion? And I like

I was like, I haven't even thought about

that. And then I was, you know, on the

shitterter like 10 minutes later and I

was sitting there thinking about it. I

was like, wow, I'm the [ __ ] champion.

Like, it's [ __ ] [laughter] crazy. And

yeah, it's just I mean, I've just been

on the grind for so many years now. My

dad dropped me off 19 years ago in

Colorado. I knew nobody uh to wrestle.

And yeah, to see to see where I'm at now

is just absolutely incredible. I mean,

there's really no way to explain how or

why, you know, or like why I deserve it

or I mean, I've worked my ass off. I

have made mistakes, you know, I've done

things the wrong way, but I've always

corrected and got back on the path. And

you know, I think the the coaches, the

mentors, but mostly the coaches that

I've been, you know, and the team that I

have around me is is a huge reason why I

was able to stay on track and and just

keep keep moving forward and keep

trusting that,

you know, I I belong in in the top of

the league.

>> Well, you you've clearly shown it

throughout your career and having a

great coach like Trevor. And one of the

reasons why I wanted to bring in Trevor

is because you guys have a very unique

relationship.

>> First of all, I love the YouTube series,

The Art of Violence. Fantastic.

>> And what's great is watching you two

guys work together. And Trevor, you

being like very acutely aware of when to

pull them back, when to ramp it up, when

to push. Like you're you guys having a

relationship like that is so critical

because you guys know each other so

well. You've seen him perform so many

times. you've seen him fight and perform

in the gym that you know where he's at

all the time. And having that sense of

where your fighter is at any given time

in camp because you know him so well,

boy, that's a giant advantage.

>> It is. Uh

>> hold on.

>> Testies. [laughter]

>> Yeah, I think uh uh that's a huge

advantage is is knowing your athlete.

And uh you know, I been doing this for a

long period of time, but there's lots of

coaches out there that consider their

fighters their friends. I do consider

them one of my best friends, but I I put

myself more in like a father position of

I need to know when to tell them the

truth. And I've got myself in trouble

with that uh with fighters where you

tell them the truth so hard that you

have to let them go like a child. Like,

hey, if we we're not in the same

beliefs, go live life and see how it is.

And then when you return, I'm still

going to love you. uh having that type

of thing where I have to be dead honest

for your career. Not because it it helps

us now and it feels good right now at

the moment. I have to look at that from

from

>> the time that we start and we talk about

you know what are his goals and then my

job is to be an adviser, be a mentor to

get him to that place as best as I can

because these are his goals and I want

to support those. And in the beginning

of his career, his goals were to be the

the the the most violent guy out there,

the most remembered, the guy that every

time someone bought a a ticket, they

remembered Justin Gachi selling that

show. And uh then it turned into no, I

want to have this belt. And that was

hard because we did go and uh not get

the belt twice. And you you know, it's

so cool to be in kind of those scenarios

where it's like, damn, you had two

opportunities, now it's never going to

happen. And that's what life is. Life is

one of those things that you keep

getting up and chase your goals. You

never know how it's going to happen. And

yes, you want to dream and you want to

have a a a you want to have a plan. But

I'll tell you right now, through all the

the times that I've had championship

fighters in business and in in life, the

plans never work. You always have to

adjust them. But it's that dream and

that vision to get you to the top of the

stairs. You have to get up each one of

those steps. So, you know, Justin went

out there and wrote a story that I don't

think will ever be forgotten. and he did

it one round at a time. And that's what

impresses me because his mindset, I love

the mental game. I love to to talk about

the mental game. Even like Ilia, Ilia is

a special guy with how he uses his

mental, the secret, the the if I see it,

I believe it, it'll happen

to a point, you know? It's like I always

tell people like if you want if you go

down the ice cream aisle and you're

like, "Hey, I don't know what ice cream

I want." You're going to stand there and

go, "That one looks good. That one looks

good. That one looks the people that are

like, "I want mint chocolate chip." You

get in there, you get it done. You grab

that mint chocolate chip and you walk

out. Very similar to Ilya's last three

fights. He went out there and he he he

demanded what he wanted. His confidence

got him through that. But it makes it

very hard when you get that stale, nasty

rotten milk [ __ ] mint chocolate chip

that you start [laughter] to go, "Oh

[ __ ] what is going to happen now?" So,

I think uh the relationship that we have

is me guiding him, me pulling him back

at the strictly situation. Hey, let's

pull back a little bit. Let's let's

focus on what's going on. I don't want

no distractions. and having someone and

he trusts that I care about him. I I

love him to death. I love his family.

Like our relationship is so strong and I

need that with my athletes. And uh I'm

just blessed and

100, you know, I say honored, but more

more importantly humbled by someone who

I've never worked mental with who shows

me different ways to the mental game of

fighting, which I feel I'm very high

level with. is it's something that if

you put some put yourself around people

that make you better this guy makes me

better daily and I'm very grateful for

that.

>> You said something about Ilia about the

fight about having expectations and you

said you don't have any expectations

when you fight that way you don't you

don't get thrown off.

>> Yeah. I mean it's I think it's huge. I

mean my expectations come from my hard

work. Obviously I expect my body to

perform. Um, I understand

that I've trained my mind to and you

know, maybe the narcissistic tendencies

in me love

showing off and performing in front of,

you know, thousands of people on that

stage. That's um that's what I love the

most about about this and that's what my

personality like I'm very competitive. I

want to win. Um, but I'm never going to

lie to myself. And that's how I've got

I've I've never had a coach in my entire

career since four years old of wrestling

have to pull me aside and talk about the

mental aspect of com competition because

it's always been so natural to me. I'm

not sure if

[snorts]

I'm not sure if it's because they they

see that I'm doing good and that they

agree with my approach mentally or they

don't they don't understand what's going

on or but I've just always been so

comfortable and so content with my

situation of you know this is a

competition it's a game you know um I'm

very competitive I'm very petty I take

everything personal and yeah when I go

in there with ex when I have gone in

with expectations. Um, and it's I said

it before the fight, you know, Alia like

I I said so many true things to him and

I think it was such a it's such an asset

to tell someone the brutal truth,

especially someone like him because it

pushes them farther away from the truth.

you know, he re even if I tell him the

the exact truth and exactly what's going

to happen and you know, you're making a

mistake by having all these expectations

and when we go to round two and when we

go to round three and it's not going as

you predicted it or wanted it to or

expected it to, then where do you go

from there? And you know, I said that

exact thing to him and then that pushed

him farther away from it and you know, I

>> it's almost like he wanted to prove you

wrong.

>> Yeah. He wanted to prove he wanted to

prove himself right. Yeah. you know, and

he was unwilling to be open to opinions

and because obviously I don't know him.

He knows him better than himself. But,

you know, I uh I got here cuz I am

coachable. I got here cuz I listen. I

use every every like I I posted

yesterday, every person, place or thing

that has happened to me or for me has

ultimately molded my mind and my body to

be able to deal with the situation that

happened on Sunday night. And you know I

can I can pull so much experience from

the past. My losses, my wins, um

setbacks, failures, accomplishments. I

mean there is so much to learn from it.

You know, every day is a learning

experience. And I

constantly try to learn and be better.

And I don't know why I'm able to perform

like that. I think um I just think it's

who I am, you know. Um, when I when I

say I wanted to be the most exciting

fighter ever, it's not that I wanted to

be the most exciting fighter ever, the

the thought of that was [ __ ] cool to

me, you know, but I was just

being me. And um I've been blessed to be

able to you know through my through my

childhood through coming from a small

town through having um you know

unwavering support from my my family and

my friends and my coaches and my

teachers

and everybody from you know from it's

just crazy to to be able to come out on

top. I mean it's just crazy. [snorts]

One of the things I think was a giant

factor in the fight is that you have

been in wars. You've been in a bunch of

wars. Yeah.

>> And Ilia really had only had some rough

moments against Jai Herbert. You know,

Ysef Zalo gave him some problems, but it

was nothing serious. The the wars that

you've been in, these just down and

dirty brawls that you've been in, you

you're comfortable with the back and

forth. you're comfortable with enduring.

You you know that you're not going to

break. You know, if your body holds up,

you're going to keep fighting and you

can endure. I don't think he ever

experienced that before.

>> So, when you didn't break in the second

round and I think he made a mistake and

I think you're correct about that. You

said he made a mistake by going to the

ground. Absolutely.

>> And that he hurt you to the body.

>> I told Trevor yesterday I think you know

um him hurting to my body was the reason

one of the main reasons I won. You know,

when he when he hit me, it when I

dropped, it wasn't the first time he hit

me in the body. That was probably like

the fourth or fifth one. And he had

landed some really clean shots and he

could probably sense that I was in

trouble and hurt. And I think that fact

made him dump everything because it was

his last chance to take me out. And he

almost did take me out. But when I went

down

in hinds, it's always easy to make these

decisions in hindsight, but when I went

down, you know, he would he's had way

more more submissions than he has

knockouts. And so for him not to have

that belief that he's going to be able

to go down there, especially with the

Khabib fight, especially with the

Charles Oliver fight, especially with

all the negativity around my grappling,

you know, I think he would have been

foolish not to cuz I would have stood

back up. I would have stood back up and

he would have charged forward trying to

finish me. I would have jumped on his

legs. because I would have pulled guard.

He was going to end up on top of me no

matter what. I wasn't going to sit there

and trade with him again. Like I would

have, you know, front rolled into into

grappling situations or what I would

have made him cover me. And but I think

me getting hit is what made him

completely blow his, you know, Shane

Carwesque,

>> you know, blow his tank.

>> Yeah.

>> And, you know, go for the win. And I

think that was the choice he had to make

because it was going to continue to get

worse. I beat his ass in the first

round. Like, it might have been close on

the scorecards. I absolutely took the

first round, but the amount of damage

that I inflicted in the first round set

up the rest of the fight.

>> I I do think it was a mistake. And and

and you're you're saying what you're

saying is so correct. But what I'm

saying is from a standpoint of him

demanding it, he's going to finish you

in the first two. Understanding the

damage that he was taking, he took big

risks. He got in there. He kept his

hands on your collar bones. He was

landing really good shots. Yeah. the the

the the two body shots before that that

left hook to deliver that the sound it

made was crazy. That last one was clean.

It was precise and deep, but you could

tell it was already there. But if he

didn't put that pressure on himself, and

this is what I mean by mistake is like

when you come out, you have to know that

you're going five rounds. And he knew

that he had to unleash everything right

there. If if he would have been smart in

that scenario saying, "Hey, we got five

rounds. Let me step back a little bit.

Let me do some damage." But also, he's

like, "Hey, let me get you out of there

quick. Justin, you know, can't grapple,

can't do all these things what a lot of

people think, which Justin's a great

grappler." And what was so smart about

you is when you get tired, that's where

the worst decisions happen is that's one

of my big things as coaching is we get

someone tired and then we make them make

bad decisions and then then we

capitalize on that on those mistakes.

Justin was able to stay so composed here

with being speared to the body. And when

you take a liver shot, it is way

different than the head shot. A head

shot is like taking a shot with your

buddies at the bar. It's like, "Hey,

let's go." You know, but you take a body

shot, you're dying. Like your liver

shot, you feel like you're dying. And

Justin, all the decisions he made on the

ground from the triangle, from the

armbar, from not being flat. So many

good decisions were made in that

scenario. And I do think it was a

mistake. Obviously, there's so many

different ways it could go, but those

those type of moments in fights are what

make fights great is overcoming

obstacles. And he had set that up. He

had said it. He's like, "Hey, I'm going

to overcome anything. I'm going out

there putting the worst thing out there.

Like, what are you going to do to me?

I've already been knocked out the last

second of a freaking huge fight by Max.

Like, you can't do nothing worse to me."

And that mindset, I think, is, you know,

something to take away for all the

fighters out there that always, I love

how you say it, expect a war. Always.

Some of the biggest mistakes that I've

made with fighters that I had is

allowing them to think that they're

going to go through this fight easy, and

then that fight becomes super hard. You

think it's going to be a war, then

you're like, "Hey, it wasn't as bad as I

was expecting." Even if it was a little

bit of a war,

>> they're not going to help them in that

moment. There's no pulling them out.

>> That's fighting. Fighting like fighting

is is mentality. I look at this like

there's techniques out there and there's

things like that. What makes this sport

inspirational and makes someone want to

go out there and beat cancer because

they were inspired by a fighter? It's

not the technical piece. It's getting

back up. And it's okay to get knocked

down. I love I love watching people get

knocked down because my favorite part is

seeing how they get up. And that to me

is why I love fighting is how people get

up.

>> Yeah. How they endure. And that was the

big story of that second round that you

figured out a way to get through it. And

the change in tempo in the third round

was very obvious because the sprint that

you have to make like what Ilia did when

he was trying to finish you that he he

used so much [ __ ] energy and the

great Chail Sunen once said that if you

try to win by knockout and fail you

won't win by submission.

>> Yeah. And a lot of times that's the case

because you know as good as anybody if

you [ __ ] sprint it hard you whail in

the bag with [ __ ] everything you got

for two minutes and then they go time

one minute's not enough.

>> It's not enough.

>> Even in preparation

>> even two minutes tired after they did

that.

>> That was crazy too. That was crazy too.

We'll talk about

>> preparation for these fights. Like I'm

doing 20 30 40 second sprints at most. I

mean, that was that was a two-minute

sprint for him.

>> Yes. Full out. Full out. Full power.

Everything. Full power. Every punch.

Full power.

>> You can't even train for that.

>> Can't. You got to have spots,

>> right? And he didn't. He was just

unloading. I mean, that's a young man

with a tremendous amount of confidence

because he's a two division world

champion and he thinks he's going to go

down as the greatest of all time. And

hey, he might still he might still What

is he? 28. The odds the odds are [ __ ]

great against that right now

>> because of that loss.

>> I hope he does.

>> It's I hope he does too. I hope he does

and I know that he has the skill.

>> I know that he has the skill to be a

champion again. However, I same thing

with Tony Ferguson. I didn't break Tony

Ferguson's confidence. I changed the

perception of his opponents of him. And

that is a huge factor when you go in

there. Like who are you fighting? What

do you figure? You know, before this, he

was a guy that would that you couldn't

get through, that you couldn't push

through, you couldn't survive with. And

once I showed people that all you got to

do is get through that, then nobody's

ever going to go in there with thinking

[snorts] that he's unbeatable now,

>> you know, and that that was his that was

his

identity. And, you know, that's going to

be such a tough task for him to fight

people that aren't scared of him.

>> That's interesting. That's Mike Tyson in

his prime. That's Anderson Silva in his

prime where the fight was lost before

got in there. Yeah.

>> The fight was lost before he got even

got in there. Um physically, uh now I

don't know what the truth is, but all

these reports are that he has two

fractured orbitals and a broken nose.

Um, just that alone, just the orbitals

alone, like anytime you've got eye

injuries, like anything severe with your

eyes, long-term consequences vary, you

know,

>> it's psychological.

>> Absolutely. And your body heals and

physical. The body is resilient. I'm

telling you, I

>> broken bones make stronger bones. Like

that is his his his orbital bones will

be stronger. It depends on where though

Justin the orbital bone I had my orbital

broken and

>> for 6 months I would do this and my

tooth would move and it's right where my

sinus cavity is. You remember when you

hit me with a spinning elbow?

>> Your tooth would move when you push your

cheek

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>> I still feel the soft spot, but this is

a very weak area where your sinus cavity

is. That's a And you you broke both

orbitals and the nose. Like I do believe

the body is you ever seen Rob's nose?

You ever seen the X-ray of Morab's nose?

No. [snorts]

>> Did I send it to you?

>> It looks like a spine cuz it's been

broke. Dude,

>> you've got 33 vertebrae.

>> It's literally [ __ ] crazy.

>> I've had three broken noses. I've had it

fixed twice.

>> Yeah, I know. You had it fixed. You

know, this is one. There it is. That's

Morab's nose.

>> Oh my god.

>> Oh my god.

>> I mean, that's that looks like a long

cocaine binge right there. It took out

the whole [ __ ] left side of his nose.

Looks like he got hit with a

sledgehammer. I mean, that nose is

crazy.

>> That is crazy.

>> That is like And to fix it, he's going

to have to have no contact for like a

year.

>> Yeah, that's

>> And so, he's not going to fix it. He's

just going to deal. Look how turned it

is. Like, that the bone

>> I've had my eyes fixed and my nose fixed

and my nose was better for for quality

of life.

>> Obviously, being able to [clears throat]

see was huge, but when your nose is

broken, like you have to understand like

getting a haircut [ __ ] sucks. You

can't breathe through your nose, your

mouth open the whole time. You're

constantly breathing in [ __ ] hair.

>> Like there's there's so much they can't

use the [ __ ] thing you're choking.

>> Every time you eat food, like you just

there's something missing.

>> Yeah.

>> Uh sleep. I wore a nose strip to bed for

10 years now,

>> you know? Now you

>> used to have a scab, a permanent scab

because I peeled that thing off all the

time.

>> Yeah, my nose are used to it now. But

yeah, when you got it fixed was insane.

>> Uh, when you got it fixed, which fight

was it before the Max fight?

>> Yeah, right before the Max fight

>> and then you could breathe out of it

perfectly.

>> Yeah.

>> Is it still good now?

>> Yeah, he he broke it, but he didn't

break he didn't [ __ ] with the cartilage.

He broke he actually fractured the bone

up top so I didn't have to get a fix.

It's another factor that we when we were

talking about the fight and you know

people were talking about um this

matchup with Ilia I said you have to

think about what he did to Phys. Phys is

a super talented striker and then you

also have to think about the Max

Holloway fight because he was pressing

in the first round but he got caught

with a jump spinning back kick to the

[ __ ] face. And when that was that's a

that's a game changer and it happened at

the end of the first round and [snorts]

from that it changed the tone of the

fight because it was just dead on. It

was perfect. Couldn't have landed any

better. And

>> the truth of the matter is is

psychologically I was not I was not

there. I was not prepared mentally for

the fight when I fought Max Holloway. It

was such a different circumstance. It

was you know a guy that wasn't in my

weight class. It was a guy that I had

never thought about fighting. Um, it was

for fun and that whole the whole

experience was so different than any

other fight I've ever had when it comes

to like being mentally prepared for for

a fight.

>> What do you attribute that to? Like what

>> myself my my

>> and us like we took we we told him to

take the fight. He didn't want he didn't

want to take the fight and we told him

that you're going to keep the the title

contention fight because that's what

they promised us. That's why he was very

in very

>> Well, every one of you guys every one of

you was like oh something was different.

It was like, "Well, why didn't you guys

[ __ ] say something?"

>> Well, you told you told me tell me after

the fight like something was different,

but like I needed to know.

>> He tells me after

>> he's like this. He's like, "I just

didn't respect him." And I'm like, "How

could you not respect Max?" And I didn't

catch on to it. So, it's like I'm always

looking for flags and things like that.

And 100% I take 100% responsibility

because that's how we learn. Everybody

makes mistakes. I remember the Tony

Ferguson fight. I didn't give any

[ __ ] water, you know? Like there's

like things that we all learn from. But

the thing when he had told me that I'm

like how did I not catch that uh from

you cuz he's like dude he was a smaller

guy just didn't and and I was like dude

Max is like one of the guys that I look

up to from the outside like he is

talented.

>> I remember thinking what what am I

looking for? Like what am I afraid of? I

kept trying to convince myself that I

need to be I need to find what I was to

be worried about and I couldn't find it.

>> So you always need that before a fight.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. no matter who it

is, you're fighting,

>> you know?

>> Yeah. And so, like, I was I've never

been as present and like um

>> I've never been able to retain a fight

and I, you know, before the knockout, I

I was there like I was I was in the I

was in the in the arena. I saw the

lights. I saw the people. I heard the

people. Like, I've never been there in

my life. And I think that I can

attribute that to me not being scared

and so me not, you know, me not being in

a real fight or flight,

>> real life or death situation. So you

weren't fully focused. You could

actually hear the crowd.

>> Yeah.

>> I could I could hear my thoughts, you

know? I had thoughts. I've never had

thoughts in a fight because I'm so

intuitive and reactionary. And that one

was just so dear. There was so much. And

so sure, the kicks, the eye pokes. No, I

think I was not I couldn't have beat him

that night with the mentality that I had

>> and that was my last lesson to learn.

>> I I had made my less, you know, my

lessons with um Olive Vera was like I

wanted it so much.

>> I wanted it so bad and I wanted to

perform and I wanted to impress uh my

fans. You know, Rose had a fight that

night and she fought like absolute

garbage and I, you know, and I told my

coach, I said, "Coach, don't worry. I I

I won't do that to you.

>> He said that right before about

>> right before we're about to walk. I was

like, "Don't worry, coach. I never let

you down like that."

>> And coach is pissed and everyone's, you

know, my the locker room's all [ __ ] up

cuz Pat's [ __ ] weird.

>> Is that the Carlos Sparza fight? Was

that the same night?

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I was at home and

so there was just and that was again

that was my fault. I allowed those

things to affect me,

>> right?

>> And to, you know, um affect my fighting

decisions rather than just being myself.

Um, and so that was a huge mistake. Um,

another mistake was,

[snorts]

uh, you know, winning two or three times

in a row and just kind of becoming

complacent with how serious what we do

is and how dangerous this game is and

how much luck and chance are a factor

every single night. And so, you know, I

wasn't doing the extra credit. I wasn't

sitting in the sauna at home, you know,

and I don't know. I don't know why. It's

just and then I made that mistake um

probably into the Eddie Alvarez Dustin

Porier fights, lost and then I won three

or four in a row and then I completely

went back to the same mindset of I'm the

best in the world. Nobody can beat me

and I paid for it. And those two

mistakes were huge, very very big

learning lessons. And then the uh the

Charles Oliver fight, you know, I was

like I wanted it so bad and then I made

the moment so much bigger than it

actually was because it's just 25

minutes in time and I it's all I can

control is being perfect. My preparation

for it, but then ultimately being there

for 25 minutes and being perfect. And

yeah, those are the mistakes that I

made. I had to learn. I had to make

those mistakes. I would not change

anything about my career. I think the

farther back into my career you go, the

more special this moment is. And you

know, I think um in time again I I've

this is going to age like my my career

is something special. The way that I did

it, the way that I that I lost, the way

that I stayed on track, the way that I,

you know, threatened retirement if I

wasn't going to get a title champ, a

title shot, um the way I called my shots

along the way, then the the discipline I

had, I mean, it's second to none. I've

watched this sport my whole life since

1992. my dad showed me. I remember as a

four-year-old seeing it. I don't have a

lot of, you know,

great memories. I I remember my

childhood, but it's not like you have

specifics, but I remember seeing it for

my first time in my dad's bedroom. We

were sitting there watching it together

and I was and I was enthralled. I was

like, "This is this is amazing. I love

this shit."

>> Can you picture that? Him with like a

baby bottle just squeezing it.

>> Yeah. And I was like,

and then I watched it and then I was a

diehard fan. I've been a dieh hard fan

ever since then and especially in 2001

when it came along I was you know

probably in seventh or eighth grade

sixth or seventh grade and just fell in

love with it and then you know me and

call going into college we'd go and sit

at Buffalo Wild Wow Wings for six seven

eight hours spend $5 those poor service

people [laughter]

>> it's just amazing that you've been able

to keep this ferocious mentality for so

long because I remember when you first

entered into the UFC the Michael Johnson

fight I was so pumped for it cuz I was

Get ready cuz this is going to be

[ __ ] wild. Cuz I had been a fan of

yours when you were fighting in what was

it? World Series of Fighting

>> and then uh that Michael Johnson fight

was everything that I thought it would

be. [ __ ] crazy. Just a wild ass

fight.

>> Crazy coming out party.

>> Dude, I giggled so many times in that

fight. Dude, when you went against the

cage and you were like this, you like

look back and you were like, "Oh, I'm

looking for the shot." And you're like,

"Block it off the thing." And then you

come back with the right hook and then

you let him back in again and you hit

him with the right hook again off the

cage. Dude, there's so many giggle

sessions in there. Uh, I wasn't nervous

because just again that's the way he

fights and I'm like he's no one's gonna

forget this fight.

>> Michael Johnson was swinging and caught

him with that left hand a few times.

>> Well, that's the same left hand he

knocked out Dustin with.

>> His left hand is so fast.

>> And Michael has power.

>> Yeah, he does.

>> Yeah, dude. And and he was trying to

win. I mean, he was going all out that

you guys just emptied out in that fight.

It was fantastic. And I was like, there

it is. the the three rounder to get off

the the back flip. Took three rounds. He

[laughter] got up there, fell off. Got

up there, fell off. I was like, "You can

do it. You I'm out there motivating." I

>> always get so scared for your knees when

you do that. I'm like, "Please don't

hurt your knees after you won the

title."

>> I'm 100% baby. Yeah.

>> We're training for Kabib. We're over at

high altitude. He's doing back flips off

the off the the cage. And I was like,

"Stop. Do this after the fight."

>> Yeah. He's like, "Hey, no more back." I

was like, "Today, today's the day.

Today's the day I become a bitch."

[laughter]

Like, "Today the day."

>> I'll never forget that moment. I was

like, "You know what?"

>> I turned my head. I was like, "Stop."

[snorts] Go. Go ahead.

>> That [laughter] is kind of true, right?

When when you get something and all of a

sudden you're special. Then you start

protecting it and then you won't be

special anymore.

>> What makes I told him I was like, "So

today today is the day, huh?

>> He's [ __ ] crazy." [laughter] Like I

never want him to stop being [ __ ]

crazy. Like everything about him in life

when you play golf with him, he's the

highlight. He does [ __ ] that like you'll

never [ __ ] see. Like it's like

everything you do is the highlight. Like

his life is like his fighting. He's

[ __ ] wild.

>> So your mentality, you've never had to

work on I mean obviously you've learned

lessons along the way, but you've never

had to like sit down and work on this

mindset. It's always been something you

inherently possessed.

>> Yeah. Yeah. I think um

>> it's crazy. I think I think people just

complicate things so much. Like when you

can truly

>> understand that there's there's there is

things you can't control, but it's not

everything.

>> You can only control what's inside of

you. You know, you can only control how

you perceive things, how you react to

things,

>> the work you put in,

>> the the obviously the preparation.

>> Yeah. But it's um I mean there's so

much, you know, and I I guess I always

knew that something was coming because

no matter how far off the the road, you

know, like I've made mistakes, you know,

I've

done I was never an al thank God I was

never an alcoholic and never but I was I

could say I was I was probably a drug

addict at you know one time in my life.

And

>> what drugs?

>> I don't know. I have never told my

parents about this, so I don't know.

>> You don't have to.

>> All of them. All of them. I want So, but

it's going to can and and I know this is

going to sound stupid, but so I went to

school for human services. I wanted to

help people.

A big part of that is helping people

come off drugs. And I lost many over a

handful of friends, really close friends

from drugs where I come from. We're not

far from Mexico. And we had the best we

had the best [ __ ] coming right across

the border before it ever got cut up.

And it was um it was my life, you know,

where I'm from is very boring. And so

like you chase again, you know, we have

it so good in this country. We're always

trying to create chaos in order to feel

something. And I guess that's what I was

probably doing.

And in college is when I really, you

know, I was like, I if I'm going to help

people come off of drugs, then how can I

ever even try to

understand if I don't know what they're

chasing? And so that was a part of it.

you know also a part was it felt good

you know and so

you know once I did

uh certain things I knew what people

were chasing but then I always knew that

something was bigger for me and better

for me and I had something to do and so

that was always it was never a a crutch

for me I was always like that was

awesome you know I'm not doing it again

>> what is it in your head that where you

always knew that you had something

bigger [sighs]

>> uh Uh, well, probably my faith. I mean,

I I I've been my my parents, the best

thing they ever did for me was make me

go to church every single Sunday and

create a relationship with with God

through the word of Jesus Christ and

just trying to live up to those

expectations.

Um, I knew, not that I was going to be a

champion or anything, I just knew that

I couldn't take the easy way out, you

know. um when you're on drugs or when

you're when you're living a lifestyle

like that, then nobody expects anything

from you. Nobody wants anything from

you. And that's an easy way to live. You

know, those uh

>> right,

>> there's no pressure.

>> No expectations.

>> No expectations. No pressure. And I

mean, it really is I can understand how

you can let that overcome the the

passion to live, you know, and um I

don't know. I just think the passion to

live because of my faith has never

outweighed

my

desire to feel good.

>> I want to talk about the shift that you

made in your career from being the most

exciting guy in the world, wanting to be

the most exciting guy in the world,

being happy with performing to the best

of your ability, whether you win or

lose, to wanting to get the belt. What

what was what what started that

decision? [sighs]

>> It's weird because I don't remember a

time or a day where I made a change

other than

I'm not going to get hit. You know, in

the Dustin Porier fight and the Eddie

Alvarez fight, I I absolutely almost

broke them.

And it was no different than any of my

other fights. Nobody had just ever Same

with Elia, you know, like nobody had

ever got past it. Nobody had ever been

able to withstand the ferocity of my

actions for two or three rounds and then

those guys did

and

I was like, what happened? You know, and

ultimately I put myself in a position

and I got hit with a shot that

um took me out of the fight. And so

after those fights, I was like, I have

to not take these shots. And that was

ultimately all I can say that I that I

changed mentally is I'm going to I don't

want to get hit. I used to never care

about getting hit cuz it's like doesn't

hurt. Nothing hurts in there. You don't

feel nothing. It's never hurt. And so

that was really just the mindset. I just

need to not let them get me in a

predicament where I'm not able to where

they have to stop the fight. So the

shift uh

>> but he he probably from the outside

outside torsion.

>> Yeah, it's it's definitely there there

was a shift and it wasn't just like an

instant shift. It was the two losses in

a row with Eddie and Porier uh where

he's like I'm winning these fights and I

need to be able to get to the distance

and I was like all right we got to

become a spot fighter cuz you just drown

people and you're what's happening is

you're making mistakes. We threw a low

kick against poor he got caught because

he based back lazy with his shoulders

above his his hips. So, I was like, "All

right, let's be sharp. Let's fight in

spots." Then he goes on a three-ight win

streak where he's finding the right

spots and putting people out from from

Vic to uh uh Barbosa into Cowboy

Cerrone. And that's where he's like, and

then I I sat down with him and I was

like, "Do you want to be a champion?"

And I was like, "This is how you have to

fight to be a champion is be smart." And

he never said he he never said he didn't

want to be the most excited fighter in

the world. He would tell me after

fights, he's like, "I'm not even trying

to fight excited, but look at me."

[laughter] And it's like [ __ ] like

it's so amazing. Like it's in him. It's

just how do we how do we get you to

sprint 50 yards, pull back for 100

yards, and jog and then sprint for 50

yards and like be able to know your your

your your red line. Don't don't cross

over that red line. Don't hold red line.

>> Well, that that is again the experience

that you found in wars. It's such was so

critical in the White House.

>> Yeah. You don't want to make mistakes

>> and it is I think it's crazy. I think um

again the fact that they said that he

had out struck me in the first round 39

to 32 or something.

>> You landed some hard jabs in that.

>> Yeah, there's yours were devastating.

>> He might have touched and

>> but I'm talking about the perception.

>> It looks like I'm getting hit. It looks

like it's but I mean my I don't have

special skin. I am able to see punches

>> and

>> and roll with them

>> and roll with punches. If you watch my,

you know, fights frame by frame, I'm not

getting hit for the most part.

>> You're moving with the punches.

>> Yeah. Yeah. It's be like water. Like I'm

I'm constantly,

>> you know, and and intuitively making

these

>> calculations.

>> That's the scoring that when you see

that and I don't know who's counting

that, but that's like amateur boxing.

Amateur boxing. If the white glove

touches you in the face, even if it's

not a clean blow, that's considered

that's how you judge.

>> Yes. And that that's where Justin I

think where you look at it from a point

system. You can't just look at the the

screen and that's why you know judges

can't look at a screen and go oh this

guy landed more. This is who won. You

had the damaging blows. I think

everybody knows that. Like I get it.

Like I see the way you roll a shot. I

see the way that you fade off and allow

the shot not to go through your skull

>> and deflect it. You're it still gets

touched to you. So it's considered that

they landed that shot. But the damage is

like what you do to people by the way

that you hip through that you drive

through people is so different. Like

like Justin hits unlike any he still I

still think to this day we got to ask

the UFC. But they did a test on him to

see who has the hardest bones in the

UFC. He he had the hardest bone dude. He

kicks me and I'm just like dude I I'm so

glad I feel so bad for Luke.

>> He didn't let he don't let me kick God.

Dude, Luke Cadill

on. He has his pad on. I kick him and

his his nuts swell up.

>> Dude, I get blue balls, bro. And so I

can't there's a nerve on the inside of

your leg. I talked to a doctor about it

cuz I'm like bro like he kicks people

and they bruise on the inside of their

leg and it's cuz the shock through but

there's a nerve on the inside of the

leg. I'd go home and I'd tell my wife

I'm like babe I got [ __ ] blue balls.

[laughter]

She's like from who? And I'm like

Justin. She looks at me like

>> the [ __ ] you got blue balls from Justin

for?

>> One of the things you were doing early

in your career that I always thought was

so wild was you were leg kicking people

from a collar tie.

>> Like you were a leg kick guy. I was like

oh my goodness. Like how come no one's

doing that? like you were one of the

only guys that I saw that was doing that

that was from the clinch was leg

kicking.

>> You've got some [ __ ] flexible hips,

man. Because the way you were able to do

that from like right in tight like this

and then and not just throw the leg out.

You're whipping into it.

>> Yeah. He he pulls them to their lead

leg. So, he's making a base on that knee

and then it's just like you got a stump

in the ground. You're just trying to

bend that tree,

>> you know? And man, he's very good at Let

me tell you something about Luke cuz I

got into the octagon at right after you

won and Luke and I looked at each other.

He was like

dude [laughter] like dude

>> Joe was so he's like Joe was so pumped.

He hugged me so hard.

>> He was so happy. He was it was amazing

cuz seeing all those videos and knowing

he's in camp with you all the time and

knowing how much he loves you. Watching

the happiness that he had when you won

was [ __ ] incredible.

>> No, Luke is one of my really really good

friends. He

>> pukes every time before a fight. every

time

>> before Trevor was in my corner, Luke

cornered me, he used to go uh to Arizona

with me. I had no coaches.

>> I would just do it in between, you know,

in between wrestling seasons and yeah,

he would go down there with me and just

wrap my hands and he would just be

there.

>> Wow. He's amazing. One of the best human

beings on earth.

>> Yeah, I love that, man.

>> Hey, can you tell them about the the the

Sunday? So, the Sunday before

>> the fight. [ __ ] So, so there was one

time, I think it was in the the cowboy

fight where you were you were pummeling

with Ben

>> and he'd finish with a low kick on Ben

every time and I'm like, "Stop kicking

your coach." And he looks at me, he's

like he's like, "Trevor," he used to

drag me back on the mats. He's like,

"I'm going to kick." I was like, "Just

give me this [ __ ] give me this

opportunity to beat his ass."

>> So, we go golfing, [laughter]

Joe. And I'm

>> Sunday we go golfing the Sunday before

the fight. We get there Saturday. We go

golfing Sunday. And, you know, it's a

Sunday. We never work out on Sundays.

and Trevor, not Trevor, Luke and Ben got

[ __ ] pickled

>> on the golf course. They they each had

like three very very very stiff um

>> uh

>> Bloody Mary's Luke bought like 12 beers

[laughter] cuz we got there and they're

like, "Hey, everything's on the

president." And he's like, "Fuck yeah,

I've never heard that before.

Everything's on the president. I'm going

to drink." And so like whole 10 or 11,

Trevor's like, "Let's [ __ ] with them.

Let's tell them that we're going to work

out later." So,

>> well, we're going to work out, but I'm

telling they're they're going to be the

workout. I didn't know we were working

out. Put it this I had no [ __ ] out

Sunday. We're definitely working.

>> I thought he was [ __ ] with me. We're

out there golfing. It's hot as [ __ ] I'm

sweating my ass off. I had no idea we

were working out that day. And he's

like, "Let's [ __ ] with him. Let's tell

him that we're going to work out." I was

like, "All right, cool."

>> So, I told him I was going to text him

and give the workout cuz I'll get I'll

lay out the workout for everybody. And

>> [snorts]

>> uh I told Luke he was going to go three

rounds of sparring, full-on sparring,

and then Ben's got to go 40 minutes

straight. No breaks, just grappling. Not

wrestling, just grappling.

>> And they're [ __ ] up.

>> Dude, I told Justin, I was like, "All

right, let's [ __ ] with see how he is.

And dude, instantly, I didn't text it.

We just started talking about it. So,

we're on the way home driving home. And

dude, Ben is like, "Dude, he's like he's

like, "Uh, I'll I'll just take you

down." And and he's like I I asked him,

"How many times you going to take him

down?" "As many as I want.

>> Many times as I want,

>> dude."

>> He's like, "4 minutes. Let's go see."

>> So, they went 20. Dude, you got what?

Seven submissions on your coach. He

drugg him back on the mat. It was so

funny cuz I was like, "Dude, you got to

drag him back on the mat cuz I got to

witness this."

>> It's funny cuz I got a video. Uh,

[laughter]

>> dude, we get home. home. I go home. I go

down and take a nap for like two hours

and they just stay drinking up talking

[ __ ] while they're drinking.

>> My YouTube guy filmed everything and

they're just talking so much [ __ ] how

they're going to [ __ ] me up.

>> Luke was good though. Luke was like he

was trying to say

>> Luke's been through it, man.

>> Like you're really going to say that

like Luke's

>> Yeah. Luke's like, "Hey, I ain't saying

any of this. Not me. It's him."

>> But they're making a plan how they're

going to team up on me.

>> And so you It's funny. Then he got that

video there and I'm beating Ben's ass.

>> Oh, no. Actually, I [snorts] went with

Luke first and I was [ __ ] him up. And

Luke's punching Ben because Ben won't

jump in.

>> Ben's like, he's like, "What the [ __ ]

Ben? What the [ __ ] Ben? Now's the

time."

>> And he's asking for help. Asking for

help. I beat his ass. And I did.

>> We have fun. For sure.

>> Great coaches. Our whole team is just

everybody's so dialed in.

>> Yeah, that whole week is one of my Every

time we go, that whole week is one of my

favorite experiences.

>> You were using the sauna in between

workouts as well

>> and before. So, we were

>> nothing. That [ __ ] sucked. I say it was

perfect. You say it was perfect. It was

not. It was detrimental to our

performances. Yes. The humidity was

there. I didn't realize it because

obviously it's not, you know, it's not

something I can worry about right now.

But after round one, I just remember

thinking,

>> "Oh, [ __ ] I am so tired right now. How

how is this possible?" And the amount of

the amount of fluid I lost was probably

lost like 15 pounds.

>> Yeah. Because it was in the 70s,

>> dude.

>> Yeah. 70s with the cool breeze. You

know, when you go out there, what you

feel is the cool breeze, but

>> heavy in the fight, man. It was It was

different.

>> Yeah. I hated the fact that it was going

to happen, but I'm glad it did.

>> I'm again I I would not change. Again, I

think

>> how could you change it?

>> It affects me. It affects him, you know.

Again, I grew up in the country. He's

>> he's a city boy. There's no way he's not

a city boy. I don't know him personally,

but there's no way he's not a city boy,

you know? And so, as a country country

boy from

>> the desert in Arizona, like I was hoping

that it would be

>> hot as [ __ ]

>> Hot as [ __ ] [laughter]

Like

>> when he sat down on the stool, I was

like, "Oh god, these outside fights kill

me."

>> Yeah. You know, he was dude like, "Dude,

you were shaking,

>> dude." He was like trembling. I was

like, "Holy shit."

>> Well, it is crazy to ask people to

defend a world title in a completely

alien environment that you never have

fights in. We've had

>> How many fights outside? We've had the

Abu Dhabi fight in like what was that

200 [ __ ] nine or something like that?

>> Oh, they did didn't the What was the

setting? I wasn't there. It was it was

>> when Adosa did his famous walk out in

like a it was covered but it was

>> it seemed like the environment was

outside

>> poorer against Abu Dhabi

Abu Dhabi. Well, we did one in Abu Dhabi

when BJ

>> the big arena

>> lost to Frankie Edgar. That was outside

in Abu Dhabi.

>> Um and that was when Anderson Silva

fought Damen Maya.

>> Is that was it with that Ferrari

building? The Ferrari building was

there, but it I don't know if it was in

the same place.

>> They had a Did they have a fight in the

Ferrari building?

>> I think they did, but I wasn't there for

that one. I only went to one of the Abu

Dhabi fights.

>> Yeah. It wasn't It wasn't that long ago.

>> Remember we were talking the last seven

years?

>> Remember the dude in Morocco said after

the first round he was done. He was just

trying to survive. He said it was so

hot. Remember?

>> Yeah. No, I mean that's what I remember

>> it being over there and then you know

once you realize the climate over there

and the humidity it's like

>> [ __ ] bow dog. Remember Bodog fights?

Bowdog fights. They had they had a fight

outside in the sun.

>> Yeah.

>> On the beach.

>> Caesar Palace in Vegas. Remember

Caesar's Palace? They had a boxing I we

got to fight there. Verno Phillips

against.

>> That's right. They used to always do it

outside.

>> World was a fighting around that NASCAR

event.

>> Yeah, that's that was crazy.

>> During

Duran versus Hearns was outside.

>> They were they were great. Yeah.

>> Yeah, that's true. That's right.

At least Vegas is dry.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Totally.

>> Arizona, Vegas, Colorado.

>> Yeah. Humidity was what I was training

for with him was heat stroke. Like

dealing with it where you can't breathe.

It's heavy air like like

>> So you putting water on the rocks in the

sauna as well. And so what was

>> And we trained in a hotter gym. I I'd

turn the temperature up in the gyms just

so he's getting used to dealing with a

little bit more heat stroke.

>> We would spike my heart rate and then I

would go in the sauna 15 minutes and

then I would come out and do eight to 10

rounds.

>> It was great. I I'm so glad we did it.

>> Very smart. Very smart. Cuz that

environment is I mean it's so completely

different. I I just

>> ultimately I think the best way to fight

is obviously the way you usually fight.

Controlled environment. That's how it

should be.

>> It was cool though, Joe. You know why?

>> So cool.

>> So we we went [laughter] did we went and

did a rehearsal. Okay. And I'm like, why

are we rehearsing a walkthrough? Like

this ain't a freaking wedding. Like just

tell us where to go. The camera guys are

always like, "All right, your mark

here."

>> So why are we doing this? And then we go

there and we get stuck in this locker

room for two hours,

>> hour, hour and a half

>> because of rain. And thank God that

happened because then I started to go,

"Oh, because it's all unexpected. You

and how I said, "Hey, I'm a visualizer.

I can't visualize this this arena." And

I visualize a lot, too. So, I was like,

I felt the exact same thing when he said

that. And uh that's when I knew, hey,

these are going to be some huge

unknowns. And I had told him that night

cuz the rain was coming. Like, it was

crazy how the storm split around cuz it

was all bright red. And I was like,

"This is thunderstorms. This ain't just"

And

>> they were talking about pushing the

fight till 10:30 p.m.

>> We had planned on fighting at the start

of the night at 2:00 in the morning.

>> I started staying up till like 3:00 a.m.

after the rehearsal. I was like, "It

could be 3:00 a.m. when we fight.

>> I'm going to just start staying up."

>> But that's what was cool. Like the walk

out like having the soldiers like just

walking through the soldiers. There was

that

>> we weren't able to take any of this in.

Joe, uh, and I can't really speak for

him. I know where his mindset. I

couldn't from a coach's standpoint. I

was nervous as [ __ ] cuz you don't know.

There's no pattern I could take on right

now and kind of put myself and breathe

to it. It was very unique. And at the

end, I couldn't even really smile. It

was just like, dude, I'm just like blown

away. Now I can kind of just look around

slowly and just try to take in

everything because it was very very hard

to to go through that scenario with the

pressure of us fighting on on this stage

at the White House. We're the Americans.

We're a six to1 underdog. That gets to

you that that you know when you hear

that over and over and over and over,

it's you know your phone, dude. You you

>> caught a Marlin.

>> But uh having uh uh

>> take a left.

>> Just that scenario was so unique. And

then once it was over, then it was like

now I get to enjoy the White House and

just being here in this this this great

environment.

>> There you can see it. What is he reading

there? Is that the Declaration of

Independence?

>> Yep. So we weren't in the room with him

right there. We through the the

rehearsal. Yeah. How crazy was that?

He's in the Oval Office stepping out

>> and then all the soldiers walking

through. So cool. Like having the two

guys next to him

>> and a lot of people complained about

this happening at the White House. And

but

>> do you don't think this is cool?

>> This is how could you not like this? How

could anyone not This shouldn't be

taking place. Shut the [ __ ] up,

>> dude. Life is a fight. World is a fight.

>> It's incredible to watch.

>> Inspirational. It's a wild thing to

watch. By the way, how much gold did

Trump put on those walls? Look, he's got

gold everywhere. Look at these [ __ ]

gold designs.

>> When we were at the the the Oval Office,

first thing I said is I was like, "This

thing is small as hell." Like when I see

it on pictures, it like seems so big and

I was like, "But the gold pieces on the

wall is the first thing I was like, they

dust that [ __ ] every day cuz dude, it

was so clean."

>> Well, he put that up there. None of that

was there. None of that was there. He

was explaining to me there was no gold.

I wanted to have gold. He's got a gold

cherub, like a solid gold cherub that's

above like one of the doors. He goes,

"If Putin comes, hopefully it doesn't

fall in his head. [laughter] It's like

he's got gold everywhere. It's all him."

He redesigned a bunch of the things

there. You know, he's a builder, right?

So that's why he wanted to do the

ballroom. That's why he wanted to keep

it, you know,

>> he likes everything in gold. He's a gold

guy. [laughter]

>> Was that Austin Powers,

>> bro? Watch. We were just watching you

look at the Declaration of Independence

before you walked out, which is also

wild. Like, this is never going to

happen again. This is more historic than

Rumble in the Jungle, more historic than

I mean, think about all the great fights

that we've all watched as kids that were

like, remember that? This tops

everything because of the scene, because

of the fact that not only is it at the

White House, but the American, who's a

six to one on some books underdog, pulls

it off in spectacular fashion

>> and just the seessaw of the fight,

>> the back and forth,

>> the back and forth of the fight was

[ __ ] huge because the second round

was crazy. It was like, "Oh, no."

>> And letting it go on again when when so

our corner, all the coaches were like,

"Dude, they're going to stop it." And I

was said out loud, I was like, "Please

let it go on. And I just wanted a like a

like

>> definitive ending,

>> dude. Cuz that would have been a point

where it's like especially with him

going, "Hey, I want to go and continue."

And then we have Goddard come out and

say, "Hey, you are

>> God for Mark Goddard." Okay. Cuz if it

wasn't for Mark Godard, if another less

experienced referee,

>> you think he did?

>> He wanted it out.

>> Yeah.

>> You don't you don't you know for a fact

you do not ever as a fighter say, "I

cannot see. It's over."

>> And he was counting on that. He said he

had already stated it. He didn't need to

say it again. He did not think they were

I don't think he thought they were going

to.

>> So you think that he called Godard a

turkey internally? He was like when he

said, "Oh, you're going to go fight."

Hey, I was playing

>> in that moment. He just like I've done,

you know, I'm I've tried and it might

have been like, you know, the little

devil on his shoulder trying to get him

out and then he re-evaluated and rethunk

it and understood that he had to keep

fighting.

>> Did you say thunk?

>> Thunk it.

>> Rethunk it.

>> Dude, that's

a real word.

>> I stopped. I [laughter]

>> I stopped. I stopped. I stopped him

twice. I stopped him twice that night.

There's no doubt about it.

>> I loved it. I loved it.

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Well, it was um it was a big factor that

Goddard let it go on because then we got

to see that epic fourth round which is

[ __ ] crazy which was just in the end

when you landed that knee to the body

that was like the final

>> that was right where he landed that

heavy knee that he just starts chopping

it where he got the elbow in.

>> Yeah. And then then he has to quit on a

stool. And if GodDard had just given to

that referee or that judges or the the

doctors rather desires. Here it is.

>> I love how you punch right here. Right

on the spot.

>> Yeah.

>> Oh, right there. Oh, right where I just

Oh.

>> Yeah. He did not like that.

>> And that was the end.

>> Crazy fight. I mean,

>> it's crazy how different. So again,

being a fan of this sport, I've got to

watch, you know, I would have usually

watched this from and yeah, it would

have been the most [ __ ] incredible

thing ever. Being the fighter, you know,

you're really not appreciating any of

that because you're so locked in to

>> it's like golfing, like you don't know,

but golfing, it's like certain swing

thoughts, you know, and [clears throat]

nothing else can come in, nothing can

creep in. And so me looking at the

Declaration of Independence, I was

looking at it, but I I didn't I didn't

take it in as as this being the

Declaration. I was sitting there. I was

like, "Okay, got to reset his feet. Got

to control. Got to move left. Got to

move left. Can't get against the fence."

You know, and then those are the

thoughts I'm [clears throat] having as

the through the whole walk out. And so

I'm really not taking any of it in as it

as it, you know, as the show or as the

theatrics of it.

>> Of course not. Watching it in hindsight

obviously is is [ __ ] awesome.

>> There was something special about you

warming up with the American flag around

your shoulder, too. We were watching

that. There was something special about

watching you shadow box before all this

with the American flag on. I was like,

if he wins, good lord, if he wins

tonight, it's going to be [ __ ]

insane. And it was is the the the

feeling of like joy throughout the

building, throughout the grounds, like

the happiness that everybody had seen

had been there to see such an incredible

event and such an amazing cap to that

event with your fight.

>> It was just nuts.

>> It felt like a whole arena to me. It was

crazy for the amount of people that you

could see.

>> Here it is to back flip in front of the

[ __ ] White House.

[laughter]

>> Dude, he flag you flag. That's a sick

picture. I rolled out of it.

>> It was [laughter] Hey, hey, tell me tell

me what was it? Tell me that what' you

use Newton's law.

>> Newton's first law. Object in motion

needs to stay. I just stayed in motion.

[laughter]

>> Stay in motion. That's all it is.

>> Look at the size of that [ __ ] crowd

that was outside.

>> So, you couldn't see this crowd. Like, I

couldn't see this crowd, but

>> you could hear them and you could feel

them. You could feel the energy. I mean,

even though there was only 4,000 people,

did not did not feel like 4,000 people.

It felt like a h 100,000 people because

all those people were behind us,

>> you know. It was different.

>> How many people were in that?

>> 85,000 plus. Yeah.

>> It happened so fast.

>> The the the size of the group outside

was insane.

>> I mean, and they're watching on these

giant screens and freaking out

>> like a concert. When we were at the

weigh-ins, it was like, dude, that's

what I picture like Woodstock being

like, dude, I looked and I could not see

the end of the people.

>> Yeah. No, it was nut. The weigh-ins were

nuts. When we first walked out, I was

like, "Holy [ __ ] this is crazy." But it

just shows how hyped people were for

this event,

>> you know? I mean, it was an incredible

event. I mean, the UFC production team,

they just knocked it out of the park.

And then more importantly, you knocked

it out of the park. The cap, it couldn't

have gone [clears throat] better. And

the the most important thing was that

you did have to overcome that. We did

see a real back and forth and we did see

the skills that led people to believe

that this guy is the number one

pound-for-pound fighter in the world. I

mean, his [ __ ] boxing is elite. It is

sharp shooter and

>> but I mean my coach is a [ __ ] genius.

I mean when it comes to like again it's

really hard to you always sound right in

hindsight but the strategy we had was so

perfect to fight a guy like that. I mean

if I think if you ask him right now

which way was Justin moving, he's going

to think I was moving right the whole

time because my head is so so heavy and

I lean over to that side. But I was

moving left the entire time. And he's so

pointed that, you know, he he's powerful

here. But when you when you put him

here, like nobody can push and sprint.

Like he's not ever going to take off

sprinting that way as fast as he can.

He's going to have to gather and reset

and then and then point and then go. And

I constantly kept readjusting him. And

it was so subtle. And that's what

fighting is. his subtle subtle

movements, but I mean his game plan was

was and then his game plan, his mind, my

u ability, but really it's my athletic

ability. Like if people don't understand

how athletic I am and I think that is

what surprises every opponent I've ever

fought is how, you know, herkyjerky,

twitchy, how explosive and how athletic

I am. And I think that's the biggest

asset that I have.

>> Why do you think anybody be surprised by

that at this stage? Why do you think

they're surprised?

>> Because the human because it doesn't

look like that.

>> No, you're I I Justin, I think you're

looking into the Patty fight. I feel

like uh the Patty fight you you cuz a

lot of people were like, "Oh, you look

older. You look this." Cuz the way we

fought like our sty our game patty

fight.

>> How sweet is that? Now, I mean, if you

watch the Patty fight, you would never

expect you would only expect punches

coming from here. That's all I because

he would pull

>> I had to like wrangle him in.

>> Wrangle him in.

>> And this guy, no shot,

>> palm strikes. Like we need to palm

strike him. We need to keep him inside

of our loop. And uh if if you're

throwing straight shots at Patty, Patty

will disengage very long with his his

upper body. So he was throwing wild

shots and then long uppercuts like stay

on the outside when you're throwing up

cuz Patty's got very good knees coming

in. So we can't get too deep with the

head. very simple plan, but also it was

like make it chaotic as most chaotic as

you could be uh to be able to do that

because Patty his blitzing was very

fast. He's a very good blitzer. He'll

he'll blitz past you and almost like

running type of punches like old Vtor

Belffort. But this fight is a lot

different where it's now elbows in. We

have to be tight in these types of

positions and we need to step to his

center and get on his back foot line or

outside of his back foot line. And that

was like a key factor to this one is

because Ilia is very front heavy and

we'll bounce back and forth. So once he

goes to this angle, we need to attack

the rear shoulder and once he starts to

reset now, we're going to be able to jab

and stick the jab at the rear shoulder

where your jab was landing. That's my

favorite part is the jab wasn't landing

here where I got a very good slide.

We're jabbing outside. So you're not

doing inside jab coming under. You're

jabbing from outside your shoulder which

is pushing him on his rear foot. And

then once we started to pressure, my

favorite part is the the jab, pause,

right hand,

>> his left foot, Justin's left foot when

we go has to be has to be outside his

rear foot like right there.

>> He opened his lead foot and he got his

foot outside. And that's also so in case

the right hand counter.

>> That was a giant moment in the fight

when he landed that right.

>> Dude, the sound of it was crazy.

>> I wanted to sub his ass.

>> Oh, that was such a hard shot.

>> Do Do that one more time, Jamie. Watch

his lead foot after the jab. Now watch

his left foot after the jab outside the

rear foot. Boom.

>> And that because he's got a high

shoulder. If if I'm throwing a right

hand down this point, if you were

looking at me, Joe, if you're if if I'm

here, if he gets his foot out now, the

shot is coming from here. So, we were

able to put him on the back foot and

find that over because Ali's got a very

good shoulder tuck.

>> He also dropped that right hand down.

>> Yeah,

>> it was beautiful. It was beautiful. And

it was such a giant moment in the fight.

>> Like, look where I started. I started

with my back to us and look left, left.

>> Mhm. left, left, left.

But if you go out to the left backwards

where that's where uh Ilia to me is the

best. How we stop Vulk where he'll throw

at you and then you go and then then he

readjusts his lead shoulder almost to a

salpa. Super dangerous there. That was

one thing we tal about we cannot go

backwards to the left cuz that's where

we get square and Ilia dude he's he's

very front heavy so he will attack you

quick and he gets there fast.

>> Well, if he can recover from this it's

going to be a big lesson. a big lesson

learned. And

>> you know, I wonder if he'll still have

those celebration dinners the night

before.

>> There's no way

>> he better not, dude. His co his team

that's that's up to his coaches to be

honest with you.

>> It's it's amazing

thing. Like it it people love that kind

of confidence. They love that belief in

themselves. And when someone pulls it

off, people were talking for days about

the all of you know, he celebrated the

night before. Isn't that crazy?

>> And it and it worked that time and it it

played out great for him. But the lack

of experience being the nail,

>> so much experience being the hammer and

also

>> expectations. He never thought he would

had to be here.

>> But you keep say I wanted to go back to

this thing that you said that the people

don't think you're athletic. And I don't

agree with that. I don't understand why

you think that. [sighs and gasps]

>> I mean,

>> and maybe watches the Michael Johnson

fight doesn't think you're athletic. I

got to college, you know, my freshman

year of college and I did a a cartwheel

to a back flip and these guy two one guy

was like,

I would have never [ __ ] guessed you

could do some [ __ ] like that. Like I

just don't understand, you know? If you

look at me, I don't look like an

athlete, but

>> dude, you want a Ferrari?

>> No, I I know a Ferrari.

>> I know how athletic I am. I just The

perception

>> No, no, no. Your perception's crazy.

Listen, you look like an athlete. What

the [ __ ] are you talking about,

>> dude? He say, dude, he sent me this

picture when I first met him from he

went up to do a a clinic with his coach

up in Granby with Ben Cherington and uh

he sends me this video out of nowhere. I

open it up and he's got a soccer ball

and he's in this auditorium with the

pads down on the ground and he's got his

phone set up on the the pads that are