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>> Hey fella. What's going on, brother?

>> Good to be back, Joe.

>> Good to see you as always.

>> Yeah. Yeah. This time, this time I have

something to like actually promote.

>> Well, you're always promoting. So, I

mean,

>> any kind of appearance is sort of a

promotion, right? You're promoting the

the audience gets to see you.

>> Right.

>> Right.

>> Right. You know, it just it was so funny

because it got me thinking. So I I

started watching Patrice's O Opie and

Anthony appearances

>> cuz there's a list of them on Spotify.

>> And what was so funny to me was like

that, you know how they have these like

these group of like mentally disabled

people that they kind of [ __ ] with?

>> Obie and Anthony.

>> Yeah. Like a carousel. It's like it's

like kind of mean.

>> It's kind of horrible.

>> Yeah. It's kind of like I'm kind of glad

we're past that. But what made me laugh

is every single one of them at the end

of the thing was like and here's my

website. I had a website and I was like,

"Damn, I've been on the Joe Rogan

Experience twice and I don't even have a

website."

>> You didn't have a website?

>> I didn't have a website. This is the

first time I had a website.

>> Wow. How did What did you do? Did you

make it yourself?

>> Uh, no. I f Yeah. I realized like, oh, I

got to pay people to do stuff like that.

That's out of my wheelhouse of like

things I can do. Ironically, I'm

terrible with technology for a guy who

looks like me.

There's um things you could do like um

Squarespace has a great setup. It's

pretty easy to do.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. But that's I think that's just

pure it's like pure laziness almost on

my end for sure and a little bit like

>> I spend so much time on my like my brain

space and this is dedicated to my jokes.

I don't I kind of shut out everything

else.

>> It's a fun time to be alive. One of the

things is really that's really exciting

about the mothership is uh for someone

like me who's been doing comedy for so

long, it's really exciting to watch

people's careers launch, you know, like

see guys like Cam Patterson go from

getting a spot on Kill Tony to being a

regular on Kill Tony to being on [ __ ]

Saturday Night Live.

>> Boom. It's crazy. Like some of them like

uh Christina Mariani now just like sells

out rooms at the comedy store all the

time.

>> She's killing it.

>> Just And then you have like Payton Ruddy

and like Dylan Carina. These are just

guys who were just at the club and just

made away like social media wise

>> and you get to see people get just

tighter and better like muscer's new set

like we did last night.

>> Really [ __ ] good, man. Super solid.

Really fun.

>> It's just like we got a good thing, man.

It's a good thing.

>> Yeah, it's a fun it's just a fun place

to be around everyone just working

jokes. That's what it is really. It's

it's so funny. There is such this

narrative outside of the ship about what

Austin comedy is and it's just really

just a bunch of people just doing jokes.

>> The narrative is only with jealous

people. It's it's not based on any

reality. It's not based on people go

there and hang out,

>> right? Well, it's it's it's always these

people who love to talk about Austin,

but they don't talk to anyone in Austin.

It's like there's a bunch of comics

willing to hang out and talk to you.

>> I think I've told you this before, but I

have a friend of mine who's, you know,

somewhat of a philosopher, an online

friend. I don't even know what he looks

like. We've been going back and forth

for years,

>> but he warned me about this a long time

ago. He said, "You've created a walled

garden." And he goes, "And you've got

all these friends and you're all

supporting each other and you're all

having fun, but there's a lot of people

that feel on the outside and they feel

like left out of it."

>> And so they're like, "Fuck those people.

That party sucks." You know, it's kind

of along those lines. And you know, if

you could find some connections to other

negative things, you know, like me and

Tony, we have this connection to Trump

and so does Shane. And you know there's

there's all sorts of that oh [ __ ] you

got to be a right-winger to be and then

the narrative comes out. Oh, you got to

tell jokes about [ __ ] trans people.

You have to

>> you can't be a liberal. You can't be a

this. You can't be like

>> well well that the the whole the whole

like you have to be a right-winger.

That's like to me that's like massive

projection because there are these

spaces where like if you're a

right-winger in comedy like the there's

like leftist spaces that you just can't

be in

>> for sure. You'll get pushed out. you'll

get you'll get treated badly more

importantly. Whereas at the mothership

like that [ __ ] green room like 80% of

the time it's mostly

like progressive people.

>> Yeah. Mostly leftwing people. A lot of

people most of the people who work there

are mostly leftwing. It's just Yeah.

It's a place where the it's a place

where but because right-wing people I

guess are allowed to be here or like

also allowed to be here. It's it's all

of a sudden this rightwing Nazi haven.

>> Well, it's also it's like what does that

even mean? Like what is rightwing? Like

cuz you don't think that that candidate

and what they were doing by like

storming the [ __ ] gates with illegal

immigrants. You don't think that was a

good idea? You don't think like rampant

spending completely unchecked with no

documentation like what's going on in

California. You don't think

>> you don't think that's a bad thing?

>> Tim Waltz is doing I mean

>> it's so there's so much of it man. But

then it's also like, yeah, what ICE is

doing, like [ __ ] shooting that lady

seems kind of crazy, you know? Like

grabbing people that happen to be

American citizens and [ __ ] dragging

them out onto the snow and ask them for

their papers. That seems kind of [ __ ]

crazy, too.

>> Yeah, that seems insane.

>> But it's also like they have a crazy

job. Like imagine

you're an ICE agent. Just imagine what

happened. Okay, so we tried we used per

our sponsor Perplexity the other day and

tried to figure out through AI what the

exact number is but when you deep dive

you realize they don't know the number

they really have like an estimate of

interactions with illegal immigrants and

it's somewhere around 11 million for 4

years which is [ __ ] wild that's 10

Austinans

>> okay yeah

>> at least

>> of illegal legal immigrants were allowed

to get into this country, aided to get

into this country and then moved to

states. They moved them. They flew them

out to certain swing states. Like this

is all Mike Benz's documented all this

stuff. This there's all you you can see

they gave him EBT cards. Like so imagine

you can imagine two things. One, imagine

you're one of those people. You're like,

"Dude, they're asking me to come. This

is awesome. Now I'm in America. I'm

going to get a good job. I'm going to be

able to support my family." And then all

a sudden you have these [ __ ] dudes in

bulletproof vests looking for you on the

streets.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> I thought you said it was okay. I

thought the Red Cross gave me a map.

>> I was You gave me a [ __ ] cell phone

and now you're hunting me.

>> Right now you're just like caught in the

crossfire.

>> But now imagine the ICE agents. Okay,

this is your job. Your job is to go out

and find these people. And one of the

things you don't you get about this,

it's like because there was like a

recent clip of mine that got like

highlighted where I was criticizing ICE.

One of the things that you don't think

about when you're into this is just like

regular police interactions. The ones

that you see online are the horrible

ones. So you think all cops are

horrible. What you miss is the millions

of interactions that people have with

cops. It's like, "How you doing today,

sir?" "Good, sir. How you doing? Can I

see your paperwork?" "Sure. Here it is.

Uh you in a hurry. I [ __ ] up. I'm late

for work." You know, "All right, man.

Just slow down. Go." Like, "All right.

Thanks, brother. Everything's nice."

That happens, too. Like, there's nice

interactions with cops. There's people

that save people from bad guys. It

happens all the time. There's people

that are thankful that they called the

police and they stopped the burglar who

is breaking into their [ __ ] mom's

house or whatever it is, right? There's

so many more of those, but you're not

seeing those videos. And so with the ICE

thing, what you're only seeing and

you're only hearing about American

citizens that have been arrested, the

lady that got shot, you're you're

hearing about all these negative. What

you're not hearing about is the number

of violent criminals that they've

caught. And it's a lot. It's in the

thousands. It's not it's not like

thousands of American citizens have been

shipped out to other country. No, it's

like net positive if you look at it that

way. Like the see if you can find out

how many because I know there's probably

going to be a bunch of various sources

that are not totally accurate, but find

out like what are the number of violent

criminals they've caught since they

started doing this. Well, also also the

there is a question on this is how I cuz

I know this is how they recruit some ICE

agents. It's just like their ads on

local TV just offering like

during the UFC there's an ice ad.

>> Yeah. And it's like these are just like

also regular people. How much training

are they really getting?

>> Cuz when you watch the shooting video

you're like why is the guy shooting also

recording with his phone? Like there's

no way that's like anything you're

trained to do.

>> His own safety like just to make sure

that you could see this lady's unhinged.

Is he not wearing a body camera? He's

not a cop, right? So, I bet he's not

wearing a body camera.

>> Yeah.

>> So, I bet that's why

>> I bet that's why he filmed it. And also,

that same guy, turns out, was dragged by

a car just recently. So, like he almost

lost his life where someone did try to

run him over. He's hanged onto a car for

dear life. I think he got

>> 300 feet. He got dragged 300.

>> That's crazy.

>> 300 feet is That's a long way to get

dragged,

>> right? you know you 100% there's a full

possibility that you may die

>> there's no single public record number

of violent criminals captured by ICE

raids just over the last few months and

available data suggests those cases a

relatively small share of recent ICE

arrests and detentions

um one analysis ICE internal data said

that only 5 to 8% of the people booked

into ICE detention late 2025 and early

fiscal year 2026 had violent or serious

property crime convictions but even if

it's 8% they've gotten rid of a half a

million people already and then 1.6

million voluntarily deported. So in a

half a million people 8% is a lot.

That's a lot of violent criminals. So

this is weirdly phrased.

>> As of January 20, I would say 8% is a

lot. Like if you have cancer in 8% of

your body, I would say you're [ __ ]

You know what I'm saying? Like if

they're saying, "Oh, it's only been 8%

that are violent criminals." It's a lot.

That's a lot of people. But now now the

question is are these 8% and the and

then the nonviolent people sent in this

to the same place?

>> Oo that's a good question.

>> You know what I mean? Because like I do

you do want the violent criminals out

but then I don't want the nonviolent

criminals to be sent or nonviolent

people who are here to be sent to a

prison.

>> Exactly. It says ICE no longer

voluntarily publishes detailed case

level arrest breakdowns by offense type

and independent projects. So imagine if

you're a dude from Mexico that just

walked up here because you wanted a

better job and then they shove you in a

prison

>> and now yeah in some prison

>> and you never did anything bad your

whole life and now you're in some well

the El Salvador thing are they still

doing that?

>> I don't that that I that I don't know

>> that that was a bad

>> that's bad optics.

>> Yeah. I mean this there's a lot of

optics is the optics with ISIS been

terrible. It says, "Recent enforcement

has involved thousands of arrests

nationwide, but available analysis

consistently indicate that only a small

minority of those is that in italics?"

No. Uh, is it not? Is it?

>> Maybe.

>> Weird, right?

>> Looks a little funky.

>> No, no, it's not.

>> It's just that's that's perplexity

showing its bias.

small minority of those, that's a tone,

of those in ICE detention, arrested by

ICE in late 2025 and early 2026, have

violent criminal convictions. Most have

no convictions, but when they sang small

minority, they indicated previously that

that's 8%. That still means a lot of

human beings.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> That's a lot of violent human beings.

Like if you uh could sign a piece of

paper that said that uh you know we're

going to allow a bunch of people into

this country. Most of them have no

violent convictions, but about 8% of

them are monsters, evil sociopathic

murderers, drug dealers. 8% is a giant

ass [ __ ] number,

>> right?

>> That's a giant ass number, right?

>> The real problem is that they have to do

this. This is the real problem because

the Democrats did what they did. They

did a crazy thing. They opened the

border up and told people the border was

open and then let people and then when

people tried to stop them from doing it,

they used court orders. Like what was

that thing they did down in Texas at the

border?

>> Oh yeah, cuz Abbott tried to put up some

like wall or something.

>> They said you can't stop this.

>> Yeah.

>> Which is what? Wait a minute. You can't

stop people from breaking the law. Like

what are you saying? There's a method to

stop this and you don't want it stopped,

>> right? Because the dirty secret is the

census doesn't count citizens, counts

everybody. It even counts illegals. So

if you live in a community that's half

illegal aliens, you get way more

congressional seats from that district

than if you are in a community where all

those people don't count. They said that

I think they said that California if the

census did see if we can find out what

the number is, but if the census did not

count illegal immigrants in California,

I think they would lose a shocking

number of seats,

>> right?

>> Which is kind of crazy. You're rigging

politics by moving humans into place.

>> Yeah. Well, you got to you got to you

got to do something. I I it's a very

something that no one really talks about

a lot is like the Democrats every single

minority group shifted right in 2024,

>> right?

>> Every single one. And no one really is

like actually trying to figure out why

that's happening. They're like, "Well,

if we just import more people, we can

overcome that deficit."

>> But they could they could if if it was

successful, they could overwhelm the

political process. they could make it

just like it's California forever where

you get half the people are like

massively disgruntled and so confused

about the politics but they're stuck

there

>> and that would be the whole country.

>> It would essentially be that kind of a

thing and then they do what they do in

England and what they do in Canada was

they slowly start clamping down on your

rights,

>> right?

>> And England starts arresting people for

social media posts. Well, I you know I I

hopefully that the free speech stuff is

so ingrained in our who we are as a

people because England like at the end

of the day that it's not like that

country was built on that principle.

This is says that they would only lose

two house seats.

>> It says um can uh California would lose

I called it Canada. It was like Freudian

would lose uh an order of one to two

house seats if poss if people in the

state without legal status were not

counted in the census used for

appointment based on recent expert

simulations.

>> All right. What's the Here's the thing

like how many illegals are in

California? Let's find that out. Like

what is the estimated number? Put that

in there, Jamie. What's the estimated

number of illegals in California? I

don't know where I'd be without this

kind of [ __ ] now.

>> I'm so hooked on using like perplexity

for any question I have all throughout

the day. It's like my smart friend.

>> It's like better Wikipedia cuz it can

really like you can use it as like

>> way better than Wikipedia

the entire internet. And sometimes it

does catch some [ __ ] articles in

there. It says it might be this and

you're like wait a minute what let me go

to that article that might be [ __ ]

because it's only pulling from the

internet right

>> undocumented 2.8 million in 2007. That's

well yeah that that would be around two

seats right because there's like 30

million in California

>> something like that.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> That makes a difference. And then you do

the same thing in Seattle. You do the

same thing in wherever you know places

you have massive numbers of undocumented

people. Cal um uh Ohio is a big one. You

know this is one of the reasons why they

had this thing where like why are there

so many Haitians in Ohio? Well,

>> what do you think? M I think they just

decided Ohio's a spot and they all had a

group WhatsApp chat and they all No,

probably somebody's moving them there

because it's a sweet state.

>> It was it was funny when it the Somalian

thing when uh when Walt was like this is

white supremacy. It

>> was crazy.

>> And but it's like hey but but then who's

the most supreme white man in the state?

Governor

>> you [ __ ]

>> Like that's a crazy Freudian slip.

>> But it's also like what a crazy attempt

at misdirection. white white men commit

most of the crimes.

>> Yeah, that's part I think I told you

that's part of the reason why I think

like minority groups are shifting away

cuz it's like one they I don't think

it's something the the whole victimhood

mentality that's not something that

minority groups really

>> experience or like value

>> especially not minority groups that are

immigrants that are in the middle of the

hustle like we got to go to work

>> like we got to overcome. That's the

whole point. Regardless of the hand

you're dealt, you got to just play it

and overcome. And so that victimhood

mentality really kind of pushes people

away from the left I think in that

manner. And then like you know when

Biden was like you know uh if you uh

don't vote for me you're not black. It's

like that's kind of how they that's kind

of how they view the minority vote. It's

a hostage vote. It's like vote for us or

else. It's like no one likes that energy

coming towards them

>> and they'll lash out and go in a

different direction.

>> Such a wild thing to say.

>> I mean unbelievably funny.

Unbelievably funny,

man.

>> Oh, it's just I can't believe he [ __ ]

said it.

>> He's so And he said it with that [ __ ]

crazy pulled back face and it's like

this is madness that whatever they did

to him to make him look try to look

younger, which is doesn't work, kids.

>> Doesn't work.

>> Oh my god. All that

>> we know what you used to look like.

You're on TV all the time and all a

sudden you you have a completely

different face. Like your face is

different. Like your all your

everything's pulled back and looks it

doesn't look like anybody normal that's

80 years old.

>> No. All the all plastic surgery ages

like you look like an alien when you're

old. There's just no way around it. I

don't know who lip fillers are for cuz I

don't know any guy who's like yeah like

I like that look like that much. But

it's it's crazy how they age.

>> The facial fillers are crazy too because

sometimes those things become a problem

and then you got to get them removed.

Well, now they're doing that buckle fat

thing

>> where they look like ghouls after

>> Why would they do that? Why would they

take fat out of their face like fat? Fat

in your face is what makes you look

youthful. What are those ladies going to

look like when they hit their 60s?

>> No, they're going to look like ghosts.

>> Maybe their face will be all sunken in.

>> By the time they're 60, I think medicine

is going to be at a level where they're

going to be able to reverse aging.

They're pretty close to being able to do

that. They've already done some stuff

with mice and they've they've done some

stuff where they're they're

understanding like what genes are

causing you to have these problems, what

things could be done to mitigate it. And

they're treating aging not like an

inevitable aspect of life, but as like a

disease that you get over time,

>> right?

>> Instead of like accepting the fact that

your body is going to age at a very

specific rate and then when you're 60,

it's going to suck. When you're 70 it'll

suck worse. Instead, it's like, what's

causing that? Let's reverse what's

causing it. And you know, essentially,

if you can do that, and I think they

can. If it's they can't do it now,

they're going to be able to do it. Whoa.

>> Jesus.

>> What happened? Okay, but this is like

day one. This lady just had surgery.

>> This popped up on my feed a few times.

>> She's 69, almost 70. Holy [ __ ]

>> That lady does not look even close to 69

or 70. Is that true?

>> Kind of uncanny. Is that true? Is that

Dr. Crazy?

>> He's making it up. SHE'S LIKE, "I'M

[ __ ] 40, ASSHOLE." It just It just

feels like one of those human dolls.

>> What did she look like before?

>> There you go.

>> There you go. There's the before.

>> Whoa. That's the same lady,

>> bro. That's crazy. You could pick her up

at a bar and then you're like, "Why do

you smell old?"

>> God, that's that's crazy.

>> You got that old people smell the

mothball smell.

>> Sprayed perfume all over their body. Uh,

>> I remember there was this uh episode of

uh that show Autopsy. Did you ever see

that show Autopsy? There there's this

guy Michael Baden and he's a famous

forensic scientist that like examines

cases and says this is actually a murder

and he catches people and one of them

was this guy who was really crazy and

his wife died. I don't know if it was

his wife or a lady he knew died. I

forget the circumstances, but he kept

the corpse in his house and had

fashioned some kind of an artificial

vagina that he attached to the corpse

and then had cases of perfume

and so apparently the B he just kept

[ __ ] it.

>> Is this like an older guy, an older

story? Yeah, it's like some Cuban doctor

and it was like some girl he fell in

love with and then she died. Yes. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. But it wasn't his wife,

right? No, it was like it was like in a

plaster case thing and it was a Yeah,

[ __ ] crazy.

>> It It had a mask on it. So, it was like

a corpse that was like years old with a

mask on it and an artificial vagina and

cases and cases of perfume. So, this

guy's just [ __ ] covering this thing

perfuming, getting his [ __ ] on. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Jamie just

>> You got to find You got to find the

picture of it. He even inserted a paper

tube into her decrepit corpse to serve

as a vagina for making love. Yeah,

that's what I'm talking about. That's to

the fake vagina. I think it was uh Yeah,

it was like something he made like he

made something. He made a thing to [ __ ]

>> People go through lengths to get their

rocks off. That's crazy. That's like

ingenuity. That's like, man, if you if

you had that energy towards anything

positive,

>> you could get to Mars.

>> Yeah, you can finish stuff out.

>> Find us a photo of the corpse.

>> There we go.

>> Yeah. So, this is

>> Oh, no. Carl Tanler. That's a different

guy. But he did the same thing.

>> Oh god.

>> Yeah. Key West.

>> Same thing.

>> Mhm.

>> Secretly took her body or used French

plaster to preserve her skin, rigged

wires and hangers to support her

skeleton, and then pumped a continuous

stream of perfume to mass the stench of

the scent of decay. Disturbing

arrangement continued for seven years

till was finally discovered by her

sister. Oh god,

>> what a horror story that is.

>> Oh god. You find your sister's body and

it's just there's a continual stream of

perfume to keep people from knowing

there's a rotted body up there. Oh god.

He did it for years.

>> Mhm.

>> God, men are [ __ ]

>> Well, yeah. Well, you know, any sort of

like weird predator will end up in that

situation where they can do their thing,

right? So like if you like [ __ ] dead

bodies, you're going to be in a corpse.

Same thing like there's like a like

female pedophiles just become middle

school teachers.

>> That was in the 30s.

>> That's what they do.

>> Jeez. Carl Tanler. Oh god. And that's

Dr. Michael Badden, the HBO show. That

show is awesome, man.

>> Oh, and he did Epstein's Autopsy.

>> Yeah, he did. He's He's one of the ones

that said that the

wounds were consistent with liature

strangulation, not with hanging.

>> Yeah. Yeah, we talked about this last

time.

>> Yeah. you know. So, so I recorded my

special on the 25th of October and I

have a bunch of Epstein jokes in there

and in the meantime they they were said

they released the files and I was like,

"Oh no." But they still haven't released

them and I was like, "Oh, thank god the

joke still work." I was like, "Oh my

god, thank god." Cuz I have like at

least two separate times where I bring

them up cuz it was so it was even bigger

back then.

>> Well, it's going to go on for a long

time, I suspect. I mean, they said they

released them, but what did they

release?

>> No, they're still not all out yet.

>> But what did they release?

>> Yeah. Like it's weird. The whole thing's

weird.

>> It reminds me It reminds me of that

Onion article where they're like, "Oh,

CIA release realizes they've been using

a black highlighter this entire time."

Like,

>> it's like that. It's like, oh, okay. You

just just blacked out pages.

>> Redacted the [ __ ] out of everything.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> It's like, what did they release? Did

they release something recently?

>> No, they haven't released anything in a

minute. They had that initial release

where everything was blacked out and it

was that picture of Winnie the Pooh,

which was hilarious. But isn't there

talk about some new releases that are

happening soon?

>> Have they? It feels like everything's

been drowned out by everything else been

going on with like Somali the Somalians

and the ICE shooting. It feels like

that's completely drowned out.

>> Anything about it?

>> I think some of that's on purpose.

>> Oh, 100%.

>> Yeah. 27 minutes ago. Update story.

Federal judge blocked

>> the effort to force the release of more

files.

[Applause]

>> Trying to get that off there.

Okay. The federal jud, we said it a

little bit wrong, is the federal judge

blocked the lawmakaker's effort to force

the DOJ to release the Epstein file. So,

they're trying to force the DOJ.

>> They already were forced to. They've

missed deadlines

>> and a federal judge blocked them from

forcing them to release it. So, a

federal judge said, "No, you can't force

them to release it even though you

campaigned on it."

>> Yeah.

Even though he ran on it, even though

you stood outside that courthouse with a

bunch of binders, we've got it. Got him.

>> He ruled that he lacks jurisdiction to

appoint

to ensure that's all.

>> Okay, that's a little different. So, the

federal judge Wednesday ruled that he

lacks jurisdiction to appoint an outside

expert to ensure the Justice Department

complies with a law that makes all files

pertaining to the prosecution of Jeffrey

Epstein available for public view. Okay,

that's different. Yeah, but still the

the the law chess that they play to make

sure it still can't come out is pretty

crazy impressive. I don't have the

jurisdiction or anything.

>> But if you're a federal judge, you can't

you have to do you can't step outside of

your boundaries.

>> Is that don't don't they kind of just do

that sometimes though?

>> Yeah, it's not you're not supposed to

just because some of them are unethical

or some of them

>> Right. That's that's fair.

>> Yeah, I don't understand all this. So,

I'm going to be charitable about it.

Yeah,

>> I'm going to be charitable about it, but

I just don't understand how anybody can

go to jail for sex trafficking when you

don't have anybody they sex traffic to.

>> Like, that don't make any sense. Like,

if I was Gain's lawyer, I'd be like, to

who?

>> To who? Like, how did he not do that?

Like, you want to tell me there's some

sort of a compromised trial? How do you

not have a lawyer that goes, "Who did

she sex traffic to?"

>> Right? That's clearly there's some sort

of backdoor deal that was like, "Hey,

>> spend this time in jail and we won't

kill you."

>> Well, how of course or also she's

working with them, right? How do you how

do you have I mean, in any way, shape,

or form, how do you have a person

convicted of a crime when there's like

especially that kind of a crime where

there's a person that hires you or gives

you money or that you use to get

influence from and then you sex traffic

to them. So there's another person

involved and that other person is

completely eliminated from the trial

because what?

>> Because they're billionaires. Because

they're heads of state, like they're

powerful enough,

>> prominent scientists. What is going like

how is that okay? That doesn't even make

sense that you could get through a whole

trial like that.

>> Yeah. But I I think that's just a I I

was saying this earlier. I think this is

just a function of government. These

like intense like blackmail sex rings

that everyone just kind of gets away

with it.

>> Oh, yeah. It seems like

>> it happens over and over again. But it's

like, look at it this way. Like imagine

if you were selling hash,

>> right?

>> And you had like pounds and pounds of

hash at your house and you've been

selling hash and you got caught selling

hash.

>> And they charge you with distribution.

And you're like, "Okay, but distributed

to who?" Cuz you're only selling to like

rich famous people. You're only selling

to like heads of JP Morgan.

>> You're selling all your hash to those

guys. And they're like, "Well, who did

he sell the hash to?" Nobody. Somebody

bought $100 million worth of hash. And

there's nobody. You have no no person.

That doesn't make any sense. There's no

crime. So, he's didn't really sell it.

You could say he possesses it, but maybe

intent to distribute, but if you want to

get him for actual distribution and

selling of hash, he's got to sell it to

somebody,

>> man.

>> At least an undercover agent,

>> right? But like in this situation, it's

like, did we ever really think anyone

was really going to go to jail for this?

>> I feel like with continual constant

pressure,

they have to it has to slowly leak out.

>> Man, I wish I was that optimistic about

it. I They've They've done a good job of

They've done a good job of it of keeping

it the names out of the press even after

they said they would leak them. It says

here, "FBI and DOJ records from 2019

reference about 10 individuals described

as an alleged Epstein co-conspirators,

including Maxwell and French modeling

agent, Jeanluke Brunell, who died in

French custody in 2022."

>> That's a way to get out of it, too. Be

like, "Oh, he sold she sold it to a dead

guy."

>> Yeah. But it's also, this is not saying

that sold it to them. They're

co-conspirators, so they were probably

involved in facilitating. They're

probably involved in acquiring these

girls, making connections because that

guy owned a modeling agency.

>> So he's or he's a modeling agent, right?

Right. So that guy's getting him girls.

So he's a co-conspirator. It's not

saying that he was John. You know, he

was a John that was getting the girls.

He was a co-conspirator. So there's at

least 10 individuals who were al which

makes sense if you have this giant

blackmail ring. It's not going to be

like one guy,

>> right? I also find it funny the whole we

Mark that Mark Epstein guy his just

brother came out of nowhere for like a

little bit

>> for a little bit and he's like [ __ ] this

like wait first of all what do you mean

a brother that just knows everything

that happened cuz he came out and said

that wasn't like the the the email that

was like oh Clinton or Trump suck suck

Clinton's dick

>> he was like no Bubba wasn't Clinton but

you didn't say he didn't suck someone's

dick like it wasn't Clinton

>> Trump sucked some guy named Bubba's dick

Yeah. Yeah.

>> Some truck driver.

>> What is What you just show us that a few

of those people were protected by the

2008 nonprosecution agreement.

>> Original federal prosecution.

>> That little slap on the wrist protected

a bunch of people. And so they continued

to be protected. Is that the idea?

>> Uh that's where No, I don't know if

anybody knows if

>> nothing's better in law than a

technicality. Huh?

>> That's a slippery one. So uh what did

Epstein's brother wind up saying?

>> He said it wasn't Bubba. And then which

which implied that he knew he knew

exactly what was going on the island the

whole time and is just out and about.

>> But he's still saying that Trump some

sucked someone's dick.

>> That's true.

>> Yeah. And then he just straight up

disappeared.

Where the [ __ ] did he go? We just

learned about him. Man, I believe a lot

of things. I do not believe Trump sucks

somebody's dick cuz he doesn't do drugs.

You know what I mean? When Charlie Sheen

was saying he sucks some guy's dick,

like, okay, Charlie was doing so much

crack it was out of his [ __ ] mind.

like that level of power as a drug at at

that point.

>> I I mean, maybe. I don't think so. I

don't know.

>> It's a It's a very

Trump to suck a dick. It just doesn't

seem That's a guy who's [ __ ] up on

drugs. It's like when Diddy was doing

it, they were all doing drugs.

>> It's a drug thing, right? Unless you're

a gay man. It's a drug thing to go

around sucking dick. So, we're assuming

that Trump's been hiding the gay the

entire Not a chance in hell. What?

That'd be the most impressive hide of

all time.

>> Also, why would he do that? If you're if

you're open and you're gay, you side

with the [ __ ] Democrats. Like, that's

the move. You would probably do all the

exact same things when you get into

office. It's all horseshit.

>> I had a follow-up question and it does

not know who's in charge of estates.

>> It's thinking. Look at this. Look at it

thinking.

>> Your your laptop's about to blow up.

>> I would stop. [ __ ] drone's about to

hit the building. The mothership's going

to be on fire tonight when we get there.

>> I'm so Yeah.

>> Jesus Christ, man. It's so funny. It's

like it's it's an attempted cover up of

corruption that would have been

successful in the 70s,

>> right?

>> Right. If they had pulled this [ __ ] off

in the 70s and the 80s,

>> gone. Well, the whole Franklin scandal.

Yeah. They they they killed that

reporter.

>> Yes.

>> They killed that reporter. There was

definitely some

>> underage sexual thing going on there and

they were like dead. You and your son.

That's what you get for [ __ ] around.

>> Yeah.

>> Look at both of you.

>> There have Well, you know, Tucker's

talked about this and a few other people

have talked about this. There's a bunch

of secretly gay politicians.

>> Oh, yeah.

>> And then there's probably a bunch of

secret pedophiles as well.

>> Yeah. I mean, definitely.

>> For sure. There's definitely I like I

pulled that once on Bottom of the

Barrel. Just secretly gay Republicans.

>> That was my thing. And then I was like,

can you imagine how good that sex feels?

Especially after you spent all day being

like, "It's bad. It's wrong." And then

that sex is extra hot.

>> Yeah. Cuz you're going against God and

your party at one time.

>> Some twink with his Converse on. You're

[ __ ]

>> Yeah. But yeah.

>> And then you go back and be like family

value. Like the that level of

>> I think there's a lot of them that are

putting on a show. A lot of them.

They're putting on an act and you you're

never going to get to know who they

really are. And that's why when

something comes out, it's like shocking.

Like

they're they're all [ __ ] weirdos.

They're all weirdos. You have to be a

weirdo to want to run the or you have to

be like this amazing person.

>> Like it's two options. You have to be

Gandhi or you have to be a weirdo. You

know what I mean?

>> And speaking of pedophiles, we had a

speaker of the house that was a

pedophile for like eight years.

>> That's right.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> A real one.

>> A real deal pedophile.

>> A real deal convicted pedophile.

>> What was his name again?

>> Hastaster.

>> Hastaster. I think might have been

Hastur. I think so.

>> I feel like we should look that up. So,

yeah, let's look that up.

>> I don't want to be like, "Oh, was like a

nice guy and we're calling it Red, but

Speaker of the House."

>> He was involved in a very big scandal of

it, right?

>> Yeah. Dennis Hast. Yeah. It was It was

It was like some Sanduski [ __ ] It was

at a school that he was teaching at.

>> Exactly. Allegations that Senate Scroll

up a little Senate candidate Roy Moore

spent his 30s dating, propositioning,

and sexually assaulting high schoolage

girls was shocking, but not without

precedent. There have been plenty of

congressmen who carried on sexual

relationships with teenagers from Thomas

Jefferson. That was back when people

died when they were 18. Yeah.

>> Uh Stumm Thurman perhaps more dastardly

uh Illinois rep Dennis Hastard served as

speaker of the house from 99 2007.

>> And a little further down an additional

agreed that Hastard sodomized a fourth

grade boy in a high school in a school

bathroom and threatened him if he

reported assault. That's like Sanduski

stuff.

>> Jesus Christ. Since the statute of

limitation had expired on these crimes,

Hastard was instead convicted of evading

bank reporting requirements in order to

secretly pay off his victims.

>> That's so funny.

>> He served 15 months in prison. That's

it. Holy [ __ ]

>> That's so crazy to pay off your victims

and not do it in cash.

>> What a lot of money.

>> Yeah, that's a lot of money. That's

fair.

>> I bet it was I bet it was quite a bit of

money.

>> Holy [ __ ] dude.

>> Yeah. And just one kid that got s a

fourth grade boy in a school bathroom.

How many more did he do that to? How

many just don't want the shame of it

coming out publicly? How many guys are

struggling with it right now? They're 35

years old. They don't want to tell that

story, right?

>> That ruined their life cuz the speaker

of the house [ __ ] them.

>> Crazy.

>> Crazy.

>> Crazy.

>> And he So he's not alone.

>> No.

>> Right.

>> No.

>> That's the Franklin scandal, right?

There's no way that wasn't uncovered

beforehand by people. Just the way the

political machine works. But that's like

sort of like

>> you get me for this, I'll get you for

this. So you keep that under wraps. You

just have that in your back pocket.

>> I think it's just part of that game that

they play.

>> Oh, for sure.

>> It's like Game of Thrones.

>> For sure. It's definitely

>> It really is. It really is like Game of

Thrones.

>> Yeah. Wh house isn't like House of

Cards,

>> right? It sucks that Kevin Spacy got

busted cuz that show rules.

>> I know, right? Uh, but you know, it was

so funny because thinking back on it,

like if you looked throughout the

movies, I my genuine take before he got

busted for this is he plays the greatest

villains.

>> Yes.

>> He's like the greatest villain actor of

all time.

>> He's the greatest creep.

>> Mhm.

>> He's like a brilliant creep. Like with

darkness behind his eyes.

>> Oh yeah. Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> And then can turn it on the charm that

southern charm for the camera. How about

when he did that [ __ ] weird video in

front of the fireplace?

>> Oh, dude. like in character. Kill him

with kindness.

>> Right after right after the witness to

his case died, like another witness to

his case died.

>> Yeah. Like

>> dude, people were dropping her like

flies around space either.

>> Crazy. Real deal villain [ __ ]

>> Acting out the literal plot lines as the

character being the character while he's

tending the fire.

>> Goes to show you can still be a I mean,

he's still a genius artist.

>> Amazing.

>> Yeah. That is like a wow.

>> Amazing. And in any other time, he would

have never gotten caught.

>> Mhm. Yeah. That that's just how the

machine worked at.

>> Yeah. I mean, he's just one of those

guys that got an immense amount of power

and he was just a dick grabber. Like a

dick.

>> And I bet a lot of guys are like, "Okay,

that's the problem with wild pitches,

you know? You you [ __ ] swing at every

pitch. You're going to hit a few,

right?" You know, but he's probably,

>> you know, for all these guys that he

grabbed dicks and said, you know,

probably drunk, probably [ __ ] up. How

many guys like let him suck their dick?

A lot. I bet. I bet it was an effective

strategy,

>> right? Especially for famous in

Hollywood.

>> He did it to gay guys. But he was like

uh the one guy that the story broke was

a young teenager, right? When he like 14

or something like that.

>> Yeah, it's

>> And they were working together or

something like that.

>> It was It was definitely a minor.

>> But it's also like why is that teenager

at a minor with a bunch of drunk gay

guys like, "Hey,

where's your dad?" you know the [ __ ] is

going on? What are you doing there? But

it's, you know, it's not excusing him

for doing it. The thing about people in

the gay community is they look very

differently at teenage boy, gay teenage

boy men relationships

>> than we do at like teenage girl men

relationships. They look at it very

differently. Like Milo got in trouble

for that. is Milo on his on my podcast

was talking about this guy that molested

him. He trust me, I was the predator,

>> right?

>> That's what he said. Like, that's a

crazy thing to say.

>> But they look at it differently, you

know?

>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's uh I I remember

someone was uh I was living in LA and we

had this gay dude who was sleeping on

the uh you know, we had a

uh bed in the living room for guests to

stay over. So he was see he like lived

there for like two months and they were

we were watching Call Me By Your Name

>> and he it's like a it's like a it's Army

Hammer and maybe it's Shalom. I forgot.

I I was in and out. My roommates were

watching it but it's like a about a a

gay story between an older man and a a

younger boy.

>> And um yeah he he would he said this

read like he was watching it like oh

this reads like a fanfiction of an older

gay dude being in love with like a

younger gay guy.

>> Yeah. It's like a I I remember that. I

remember him telling us that. I'm like,

"Okay, that's interesting."

>> Well, I mean, it kind of makes sense,

right? Because we think very differently

of like

>> like a high school football player that

winds up banging a really hot science

teacher.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, you're not mad.

>> You're just like, "This is crazy. That

lady's crazy. She's 35. She's got two

kids. She [ __ ] a 17-year-old boy in the

bathroom." Like,

>> yeah.

>> Yeah. That's I said that earlier. Female

pedophiles become teachers. That is that

is what they do. They find the way. It's

very very very different than the

scenario of like the football coach

that's banging the cheerleader. That's

crazy. Makes you want to lynch him.

>> Yeah. Yeah. That's the way it grows.

>> That's weird, right?

>> It is weird.

>> Yeah. It's like Yeah. With with every

time there is that there's a South Park

episode about it. Every time you hear

that story about, you know, the the the

older teacher [ __ ] the young boy,

every guy's kind of like nice.

>> Yeah. Well, you know, had the best joke

about it was Zack Alfanakis. He said,

"Do you hear the boy died?"

>> Yeah. His friends high-fived him to

death,

[Laughter]

>> man. That live at the Purple Onion.

>> Oh, fantastic.

>> That was That was a That was a [ __ ]

great special.

>> What is he doing these days?

>> I have no idea. He He was on that show

for a while in FX Baskets. That was

really good about the clown. Louis

Anderson won the Emmy on it.

>> He owns a farm somewhere. He has like a

farm. That's

>> I think he's like he's very smart. Have

you ever talked to him?

>> I've never met him. I've never

>> The only time I saw I only time I saw

him live was at Brody's memorial.

>> Yeah. He was real tight with Brody. He

He's one of the ways that I found out

that Brody was off his meds. He

contacted me when Do you remember that

one time when Brody got real kind of

like almost aggressive crazy and was

like yelling at people in the audience

sometime and it got weird. It wasn't

like performance arty anymore. It was

like what's happening with Brody? And

then he got back and he like bounced it

out. What? But Brody had like legit

problem. What whatever it was, whatever

his mental health issue was, like he

needed medication. Like he was he was

legit crazy

>> and Zach contacted me and said, "It

seems like Brody's off his meds, so just

don't engage with him."

>> Damn.

>> Like, damn.

>> Damn.

>> So, it's like you got to kind of figure

out a way to corral him, get him back on

his stuff, and

But man, when it when he was in that

main room, when he was in that main room

and that what was left of the crowd was

rocking with him, it was just so much

fun just watching him play drums.

>> He uh came into the improv one night, we

were doing a later show, so it was like

a 10:00 show and he was on late and uh

the show was kind of petering out, you

know, it does. And at the at the time it

was probably like about half full. And

then uh ladies and gentlemen, please

welcome Brody Stevens. Brody takes his

shirt off and starts swinging it around

in the air like a flag. He goes through

the crowd. Let's go energy.

And like he just gets everybody fired

up. He immediately breaks out the

drumsticks, starts [ __ ] drumming on

the seat and then starts telling jokes

and just changed the whole tempo of the

room. Like everything lit up. It was

awesome. It was like that's what Brody

can do. with pure charisma and talent

and just personality

>> and anytime I see him like anytime I see

a person in the audience like this all

arms crossed negative that's all I can

think that's all I can think it's like

wow you are giving me negative energy

right now for no reason

>> for no reason you're at a show come and

enjoy it you know especially when you

see a because I cold open a lot you see

like like you see people be like why are

you

>> why'd you come here like impress me like

you're already here just enjoy enjoy the

energy sometimes for people to loosen

up. You have the hardest job when you

have when we do those Joe Rogan and

Friends shows and you cold open.

>> I've only cold opened a few times over

the last few years.

>> Yeah.

>> And it over the last 10 years.

>> It's hard. You got to hypnotize those

people. You got to slowly work your way

into the rhythm of jokes.

>> Oh yeah. You have to sort of like it's

it's I like it cuz it's energy matching.

Like find out where they are, catch on

to them, and then bring them to the

energy that you want.

>> You know who's really good at it? Hans

Kim.

>> Oh yeah. Yeah.

>> Really good at it.

>> It's just straight jokes. Uh-huh. It's

just straight jokes and he's funny

looking, you know, like like he's got a

big smile on his face like he's having

fun. You kind of get into his groove

real quick.

>> And you know, he did so many arenas with

me in so many big places and he was the

perfect guy cuz he would just go, "Let

me tell you something about myself

>> and then right away he would take

control of the room." It was awesome.

>> Dererick's great at bringing him into

It's fun watching It's fun watching the

different people like their different

cold open strategies. Derek is just like

getting everybody fired up, excitement,

and he's so lovable, you know? So, he's

got again so much charisma,

>> right? Yeah. But I it's uh the cold

opening for as long as I I have done and

and my career even pre this club, it's

just it made me I feel like so much

stronger cuz like almost like running

with ankle weights on and then now like

leading up to me releasing the too soon,

I was like, "Oh, I was like all these

spots I was getting at the end of the

shows, these were material. This is all

material that I tested at the beginning

of Rogan and Friends, which especially

at the beginning of the club, a lot of

people were like, "Wait, you're not

Rogan talking to a friend?" Like, they

thought they were coming to a live

podcast, but you know, it took a while

before the shows were like, "Oh, yeah,

this is a standup show."

>> So, really, people thought it was going

to be a podcast.

>> At the very beginning, there were some

episodes where you had to like introduce

the concept of this is going to be

standup.

>> Crazy.

>> Yeah. Now it's not like that, but like

at the very beginning it for sure was,

but like it was like I felt my material

was like battle tested.

>> Well, it certainly is. I mean, that's

that's the running with weights is a

great analogy cuz I think that's exactly

what it is.

>> Yeah. It makes the jokes so much

stronger.

>> You know what else is really good for

your act is uh hosting.

>> Yeah.

>> Cuz you go up so often. Like one of the

things that really helped a lot of guys

at the store was hosting potluck.

>> Mhm.

>> Cuz you know, you have to there's all

this chaos. Someone just bombed.

Something crazy just happened. Someone

just did something completely [ __ ]

insane. You have a chance to make fun of

it.

>> Reset the room.

>> Reset the room. And there's a comfort

level that comes out because you're

essentially doing standup from 8:00 p.m.

to 2 a.m.

>> Yes.

>> Yeah. Yeah. When when I first started do

uh when I lived in first was a door guy

in Hollywood, Derek was booking the

Madhouse and I would come down and host

the weekend shows. So every day I'd host

from every weekend or two weekends a

month I would host from 5 to 2 in the

morning cuz you'd host the open mic

afterwards

>> and you just host the entire night. It's

a full day's worth of hosting.

>> That's awesome.

>> Yeah. It's like it's it's cuz the

opening spots suck but like they make

you better. It's the ones that suck that

make you better. It's definitely well

you realize like where the sloppy parts

of your bits are where like you're

saying them you're like ew right

>> you know like it gets you you're like

right

>> like whereas the when the crowd's

popping and they're laughing and

everything they want to laugh you can

get that through and it'll actually get

a laugh

>> but then when like it's quiet it's the

beginning of the show you realize oh

this bit sucks

>> right like oh I got to bring this bit to

the garage

>> yeah yeah I got to I got to I got to not

put it up front what was I thinking

>> I got to tighten this [ __ ] up.

But it's, you know, there's plenty of

other spots. That's the beautiful thing.

I mean, we're running four shows a night

every night. And so, and then

>> and there's so much around the scene.

>> There's so much. I was I was telling

someone in LA, it's like, "Oh, if I ch

if I chose not to get up

>> 10 spots in front of an audience member

in a week at the very least, then I

chose that cuz it's so easy. Just go out

and get spots.

>> There's so many

>> people." And like

>> there's around in downtown alone,

there's like 12 dedicated comedy rooms.

It's insane. Did you see was it Rapaort

that got kicked off of a show at Cap

City? They canled a show.

>> They cancelled. They canceled Rapaort.

>> And what? Let me see what the post was

cuz they said something like there's

another big club that will have you or

something like that. Like are they

insinuating that we would have him that

he's racist and we would have him?

>> Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. They just assume

they assume the mothership is full of

racist people. They don't.

>> Yeah. People But the guy that owns that

is the guy that owns Helium.

>> Yeah. But no, not just that. I think

that's pervasive around comedy for sure.

>> It's daunting. They They just They're

pretending they think that. There's no

way they think that. If you just look at

the lineup. There's no

>> Well, no one's looking at the lineup.

They're really They're really like, "Oh,

Joe and Tony support Trump, so this must

be filled with racist people." That's

what it is.

>> What did they say? Can you pull up the

>> Yeah, it has to I mean,

>> I think they phrased it in an

interesting way.

>> So,

>> Austin for Palestine Coalition.

>> That's a rapapore is pretty funny.

>> That's a raport.

He's done. Cancelled. Thank you, Cap

City Comedy and Helium Management for

listening to Austin and canceling the

racist provocator Michael Rap report

show at your establishment. And so,

>> hey, Michael Rapaort, there's a make

sure Yeah. Yeah. That's the the caption

is like

>> there's another club insinuating that we

would take the

>> What is this? This is just Austin

comedy. That's just someone's account.

>> It's just someone's account. Yeah.

That's when I first moved here. That was

when I that's how I figured out where

all the open mics.

>> But they're not even accusing us. Says

pretty sure there's another club or

large venue space that will welcome you

>> that aren't run by Helium. So, but

there's a lot of places that that that's

not necessarily they're saying us. If

you still want to make a stop in Austin,

just let them know most of us here are

friendly and won't use politics and hate

to cancel silence performers. So that

seems like they're kind of saying like,

"Hey, Michael, come do another spot. Do

it somewhere else."

>> I don't think they're accusing him of

that.

>> Right.

>> Right. That sounds more supportive of

him coming here and saying most of us

are friendly and won't use politics and

hate to cancel and silence performance.

>> So that's not Helium saying that.

>> I guess he's is he like I I mean I guess

he's outspokenly pro- Israel for this to

happen. Yeah, I'm not paying attention

to that dude because I feel like a lot

of it is needy,

>> you know what I mean? There's a lot of

like trying to get attention too hard,

>> right?

>> It's like

>> he's like I get you. He's not a dumb

guy. He's got some really good points.

But the problem is if you try too hard

and you're doing it all the time, then

the good points miss me,

>> right?

>> They miss me because you're already

connected to all that other silly [ __ ]

>> Mhm. They're just lost in a sea of like

Yeah. Yeah.

which is good and bad depending on

whether or not you want to be taken

seriously, right? I don't want to be

taken seriously. So like if I do UFO

shows or Bigfoot shows, like good.

>> Oh, he believes in dragons. Good.

>> Good. Don't take me seriously. Yeah,

>> but when you're talking about something

like Israel and Palestine, I guess, cuz

it said something citizens for

Palestine, like

>> Yeah, it had to have been. I They're not

canceling. The coalition for Palestine

is not going out of their way.

>> I had no idea anybody was calling

Michael Rapaort racist. Oh, well, yeah.

I don't I I This is the first Michael

Rapaort news I've heard in years, if I'm

going to be honest.

>> I Well, I had no idea that like there

was an organized campaign to stop his

shows.

>> There must be. If it's happening here,

it's happening everywhere, right?

>> Has to be.

Okay. Since early November, our

coalition sent several emails. That's

all it took.

>> No, it says they were ignored. While

employees had privately shared that

they're uncomfortable. Oh, they

privately shared that with

anti-Palestinian hatemonger Rapaort

being hosted. Management seems unwilling

to listen to their community. That's not

necessarily their community. That's just

some people in the community. Raport

isn't just a fanatical Zionist with

political views we disagree with. He's a

racist

who cruy mocks dead civilians and

children. He mocks immigrants and

supports ICE detentions of people whose

viewpoints he dislikes. Additionally,

has a reputation for being generally

disliked by people he's worked with, uh,

doxing his political opponents, and has

been accused of working with Fox News to

spread fake propaganda. Okay, this is

like a lot.

>> Yeah, this is Yeah. Who wrote this?

>> Austin for Palestine Coalition. So,

maybe it's just in Austin. Oh, yeah. It

said Austin. Yeah.

>> And then they got him out of Cap City.

>> Yeah. But so, what did it go? Go back up

to the top of that thing. What is the

original?

>> That's it.

>> No, no, no, no, no. the original thing

that I read it said uh

he's mocked he's a racist who cruy mocks

dead civilians and children. Is that

true?

>> I don't think so.

>> You'd have to we'd have to go through

his

>> Yeah, that's the thing. It's like when

you say something like that.

>> Yeah.

>> You just have to take that for face

value that he does that if you want to

believe that.

>> I've never seen anything like that. I

would imagine that if he did something

like that it would go viral, right?

>> Maybe not.

>> Mocking dead children.

>> Yeah. I mean, yeah, maybe not. May

probably

>> in this day and age.

>> Yeah, if he's he's famous enough, for

sure.

>> Oh, yeah. Straight up mocking.

>> If you're mocking Dead Joe, look look at

the people that mocked Charlie Kirk, the

the [ __ ] hate came strong.

>> Oh, yeah. They they they all they all

like lost their jobs.

>> They felt the heat.

Immediately.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. We It is It is like the internet

makes people very comfortable with

putting their initial emotional reaction

out for everyone to see. And it's like

something something that Derek talks

about. It's like we got to go back to

the times when like people were like,

"Oh, you can't post yourself with a red

cup cuz like a job might see that and

you won't get the job." Like that used

to

>> think you're drinking.

>> Yeah. That used to be like And now

people are like just full on sketches of

of like people dying and like you see so

many people die just constantly too. So

it's like everyone's just desensitized

to everything.

>> There's a lot of desensitization.

There's a lot of people that also live

in these echo chambers and they think

when they say things like who was that

one lady that was a she was a CEO

somewhere she had a very high level

position somewhere and she posted on her

Instagram story I think something like

that she posted rest in piss Charlie

Kirk

>> right

>> like

you were a regular person with a real

job

>> and you're talking about a guy who got

murdered and you just wrote rest and

piss on the internet because in their

bubble they were saying that kind of

stuff and they thought it was a cool

thing to say.

>> Yeah. your your your algorithm is so

designed to just show you what things

that agree with you, right?

>> So, everyone gets more and more like,

oh, everyone believes this. Everyone cuz

everyone around or everyone I perceive

to be around me believes that when

really it's just

>> it's all like half of it's fake.

>> Most of it is just some Pakistani guy,

>> right?

>> Yeah. Somewhere with like a million.

>> The new AI where you can

>> just constant.

>> No, no, no. the new one where you can be

any celebrity and it looks exactly like

that celebrity. So all your movements,

you could be like, you know, Mike from

Stranger Things.

>> Damn.

>> And it's super accurate.

>> Damn. Like crazy accurate.

>> We're getting to the point where like

surveillance videos won't be admissible

in court. Like it's it's going to be

it's going to be up to there.

>> It'll Well, it all have to be on the

blockchain. But even that like I don't

understand the blockchain. Do you? who

who knows if manipulated. See, if you

can find that video of cuz there was uh

one performer who did a series of

different people from Stranger Things.

>> He did like L from Stranger Things and

Mike from and it's [ __ ] nuts. It's

the same person just moving their hands

around and talking and they look exactly

like the other person,

>> right? So now you're seeing heavily

manipulated content. Like you uh unless

you go out of your way to look for

another opinion,

you're just going to become entrenched

in your own opinion. That's sort of the

problem with what's happening right now

is like

>> or entrenched in the opinion that they

want to

>> Yes. they want to promote. You're just

sort of like, oh, you're just being fed

this constant line of like [ __ ] You

got to do some like algorithm cleanses.

That's what like [ __ ] like you know how

they go on juice cleanses. You got to do

that with your algorithm. Well, I think

honestly what you got to do is stay

offline.

>> Yeah.

>> You're going to get got no matter what.

Your your algorithm is eventually going

to catch you again. It's like I'm going

to do a little heroin this time

>> and then next thing you know you're a

full-on heroin junkie again.

>> For me, it's like there's so many videos

of people getting killed by alligators

and lions that are fake and they just

look a little off. Like the the lion

jumps in the car and pulls them out.

You're like, "No." You're like,

"Something's wrong with this." the way

people react. Right now, the reactions

of people in the background don't match.

>> That's what's cuz it used to be you

could see the fingers and the fingers

would be all [ __ ] up, but they got the

fingers pretty down now.

>> They're getting better at that. Now it's

like you got to look in the if the

people in the background aren't

reacting, you're like, "Okay."

>> Yeah.

>> Like if I was people in the background

react would react to a guy getting eaten

by a lion.

>> I guess they could probably fix that

though with a prompt.

>> Well, that would be the next generation

around scatter.

>> I don't even think it's the next

generation. I think it's just

>> you got to just ask it do a better

version. Keep correcting it. asking it

to do better, kind of fix this, fix

that.

>> Have you ever done that with a video

where you ask it to keep fixing things?

It gets overloaded and it just gets

worse and worse and worse. If you ask it

to fix the it's not good at making an

edit on the video you already have.

>> Oh,

>> so you can be like, let's say you it'll

just generate another thing and because

it's making a video about a video,

everything gets [ __ ] up.

>> Look at this.

Holy [ __ ]

This is crazy, dude. That one looks kind

of AI, but this is like a lot to look to

a little smooth in the face,

>> you know? So, it's probably better for

Do it again. Run it again from the

beginning.

>> See, no, the first the first couple ones

might get you. It's one when when one

seems like obviously really fake.

>> You know what the thing is, too? I think

it's really good with young people.

>> Like him, it looks fake for some reason.

>> Yeah. When it got there and but then you

realize they all look fake after you see

one, it looks fake.

>> But not that fake. It's just if they did

the lighting a little better, you know,

it looks a little too bright.

>> I wonder. But yeah, see, I wonder if our

perception cuz the first three look

real. I wonder if our perception would

change if they put the one of the guy

that looks fake first.

>> You feel what I'm saying? Like

>> I don't know because this one looks

real.

>> Like that looks like her.

>> Like if you just had that one and had

her saying a bunch of things, I would

think it's her saying a bunch of things.

>> That's Well, that's [ __ ] crazy.

>> We're [ __ ] We're [ __ ]

>> We're [ __ ] man. Anybody who doesn't

think we're [ __ ] isn't paying

attention. It's going to get super

weird.

>> Yeah.

>> And how much how much of that are they

going to use on us in the news, you

know?

>> Oh, yeah. Oh, it's it's Yeah, it's the

news is the news is already [ __ ] but

it's like I I was thinking about this

the other day, how it's crazy that

because our algorithms are so different.

I think this is why everyone gets so

charged over news things now is news is

the only thing we have in common

anymore. Like there's not really a show

that like everyone's watching or like a

set of shows that everyone's watching.

Your algorithm sends you things that you

like. So, you're completely disconnected

entertainment wise to the people around

you.

>> And the only thing you really have in

common is

what's going on in the world cuz that's

the only thing that's consistent

>> and your opinions on it. What side are

you on?

>> Yes.

>> Cuz every everything becomes divided.

>> Yes. And you have to have a take on

everything.

>> Yeah. Vaccines, food pyramid, Gaza.

>> Yeah. Everything has to have a take.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, we were cooked as a

like companies have to do it.

>> Yeah. I I've been saying like we've been

cooked as a country. I've known we've

been cooked as a country ever since Ben

and Jerry's had a take on Gaza. It's

like there's no reason for this.

>> Yeah.

>> There's no reason for this.

>> You're a company trying to sell stuff.

>> There's a lot of incentives for

companies to like whatever. What is that

ESG score? Is that what it is?

>> What is the score that they give like so

so companies have DEI scores that Yeah.

Like and for favorable loans and for

government money. It gets real weird

when you start intertwining the it it

gets real communisty.

ESG score evaluates a company's

sustainability and ethical impact,

measuring its performance in

environmental, social, and governance

areas such as carbon footprint, labor

practices, and board diversity to help

investors and stakeholders access

long-term risk and potential. Excuse me.

Assess long-term risk and potential

calculated by specialized agencies like

MSCI and substain sustainalytics

scores offering from 0 to 100 or letter

grades gauge how well a company manages

risk in these non-financial areas

influencing reputation

access to capital. This is what's

important and long-term financial

performances.

>> Yeah. So, climate change impact,

resource use, waste pollution, energy

efficiency, employee relations,

diversity and inclusion, labor standard.

So, you're essentially forcing the

company to act a certain way. You can't

do it completely as a meritocracy. You

have to have a representative board of

people, which a lot of people agree

with. None of those people are

exceptional. None of the people are

exceptional at their job that agree you

should have specific categories of race

or gender replace meritocracy, right?

>> No one really good, male or female,

black, white, Asian, whatever. No one

really good at their job wants that.

>> No. No. Cuz that just gets in the way of

the job. It's like I have to like work

worry about this social score. Yeah.

That

>> But [ __ ] off.

>> That's kind of what we're like heading

towards, right? Some social.

>> Yeah. with Trump in in office. There was

a guy who was a CEO of some company that

was talking about the gigantic shift in

dealing with the government that had

occurred right after Trump took office.

He was like it was instantaneous like

all the restrictions and regulations and

this is one of the problems with

California in particular. It's