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>> Hello, jungle man. [music]

>> What's happening?

>> Good to see you, my brother.

>> What's going on? You got books. You got

notes.

>> I got books. I got that

>> here with us.

>> I got this for you.

>> Yeah. A little little note in there you

can read later.

>> Jungle Keeper, buddy.

>> Yeah, the brand new That's what back

from the Amazon with that.

>> Nice. Marcy, say hi to everybody.

I love that you bring Marshall. Have you

Has Marshall come on other podcasts or

is it just

>> He's been on a couple.

>> You're a good boy. You're a good boy. We

should

>> I just have to keep him from uh going

under the water, buddy.

>> Yeah.

>> I got to keep him from uh

>> getting under the Come on up here. Come

on up here. Say hi.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

>> He's the best.

>> He is the best.

>> He's a big sweetie.

>> He's soft, man. He's got He's got

amazing coat.

>> Big sweetie. Well, he gets groomed. Oh,

thank you. Thank you for the kisses.

Okay.

Lie down, please.

>> Lie down.

>> Lie down, please. So, um

>> Oh my god.

>> You you released that video. I saw the

video of uh the unconted tribe.

>> Yeah. Hitting send on that was scary cuz

>> Yeah.

>> Wild.

>> I sent you I sent you a message that

day. Yeah. When that when that

[laughter] happened.

>> Yeah, you did. That is crazy. I've

showed it to a few people, but we never

showed it live. But it is

>> So, Marcy, you got to lie down, buddy.

You can't be uh climbing under the

wires. Lie down, Bubba.

>> Sit. Sit. Sit. Come here. Good boy. Good

boy. Good boy.

>> Um

>> that experience has to be so insane to

to contact like legitimately unconted

people. There they are.

>> Yeah.

>> Ladies and gentlemen, do not look at

their dongs.

>> Do not Well, I mean, you know, but also

maybe take a style tip from them and tie

them up.

>> Weird how they got their waist wrapped

up, but they don't have their dongs

wrapped up or their butthole. Well, the

it it seems like they're they're trying

to protect or they're trying to keep

lots of rope. I think rope is like their

main thing. That's how they carry all

their rope.

>> Interesting.

>> And and

>> they carry the rope around their waist.

>> They carry their rope around their waist

and they just want rope. They want rope

and bananas.

>> Is do bananas grow in the Amazon?

>> So bananas don't grow unless people

plant them. So there's certain human

settlements where you know you can find

old bananas growing. But these, you

know, plantains really is what this is.

>> And they were requesting them. And what

you see happening here is

>> they request them.

>> Yes. They come out and I mean these are

people coming out a thousand years late

to society and they're out on the beach

holding up their hands saying no mole.

We are the brothers. Nomoly means

brothers.

>> And so now we actually think that they

call themselves the brothers.

>> Whoa.

>> And their first thing was we want want

bananas. And so the local

anthropologists that we were with, we

were just there to to work with the

communities that we work with. And these

these guys came out across the beach and

you see them, they're holding, you know,

they're holding their bows and those

bows are sixoot bows, 7 foot arrows. And

we were said, you know, the

anthropologist was saying, "Put down

your weapons. Put down your bows before

you talk to us. This is does not need to

be violent because their first instinct

is to defend themselves."

>> And so there's maybe 20, 30 of us. And

the local guys had a couple of shotguns

just in case for protection because we

were not initiating contact. That's the

thing I've been explaining to everybody.

We were just there working in the

community. They came out to us.

>> So they knew you were there and they

came out to you. And how does someone

speak their language?

>> There's one guy in the community that

kind of speaks a little bit. They speak

in the community they speak Yin. The

Mashkapiro speak a derivation of that.

And so he's they're speaking in broken

in broken terms across across the river.

So they were show sort of shirts versus

skins. We were on this side of the

river. They were on that side of the

river. And then I I mean the the the

courage of this guy to get in the river

and go, you know, 10 feet from them and

push the the canoe. There was no

contact, no physical contact made,

>> but he gave them these these these

plantains. And then they you notice when

they take them, it's not like, "Oh, yes,

take the plantains. We'll go back in the

jungle and divvy them up." It's like

what I get, I get. They're fighting over

them and they were all screaming and

fighting over them. So, there's

desperation there.

>> Yeah. Well, I mean, I guess food is

[ __ ] hard to come by, right? I mean,

the jungle is filled with life, but

>> it's still it's got to be difficult to

source and you got to do it every single

day.

>> Every single day. And so,

>> there's no refrigeration. There's no

pres preservation.

>> No. So, everything is instantaneous. You

shoot a monkey, you got to cook it, eat

it. You know, you get a turtle, you got

to you got to eat it. You got to open it

and eat it. And so there's you I mean

you can see there they're there there's

there's more there's that that

questioning look on their face. They

don't understand who really who we are

and and the really the only

communications that we got was we need

we need more food and stop cutting down

our trees.

>> They wanted to they said who are the bad

ones? They said of you who are the bad

ones? Why are you cutting down our our

our biggest trees? Well, not just

cutting down the trees, but also killing

the indigenous people that protest it

that get in the way of it.

>> If their tribe is centrally located in

an area where they're chopping down the

trees that kill those people.

>> Yeah. Yeah. And so right now what we

have is we have the loggers and the gold

miners coming in. And so since like the

last time I saw you, it was it was we

were we were nailing all these

successes, adding acres to the reserve

because what we're doing is trying to

create this corridor which is going to

become a national park. were trying to

save this one river in the headarters of

the Amazon. And we had been on this

success run, you know, from from people

hearing the stories from things like

this, people coming in and helping us do

that. And then it started to change

where we realized, okay, we're

protecting so much land that the logging

mafias and the narot traffickers started

pushing back. And so now it's getting

more serious. As we're getting closer to

the finish line, it's getting harder

because they're going, "We want this to

remain wild." And we're going, we're

trying to protect this and the local

communities are going, "This is our

forest." And the loggers and the narcos

and the miners are coming from other

places and they're cutting down this

forest.

And so, it's just, you know, I mean,

everyone knows the Amazon is the lungs

of the earth. Everyone knows it's got a

it produces a fifth of our oxygen on our

planet. It contains a fifth of the

oxygen of the fresh water on our planet.

So, it's vital to global planetary

stability, but we've already destroyed

20% of it. And so, we're seeing the

moisture cycle get broken.

>> 20% of the whole Amazon rainforest.

>> That's insane.

>> And that thing is so big.

>> 2.7 million square miles. And I think

the lower 48 is 3 something million

square miles.

>> Wow.

>> It's gigantic.

>> Wow. And they've already killed off 20%

of it.

>> 20% of it's already gone. Is it um

mostly cattle running? Like what is what

are they what are they doing it for?

>> Cattle ranching accounts for 60% of

Amazon deforestation and then it's just

development roads. China has a new

shipping port in Peru that they want to

you know create a I think an a railroad

over the Andes Mountains or through the

Andes Mountains so they can start

getting access to the Amazon for Asian

markets. Is it true they carved out a

giant pathway through the Amazon for a

climate change conference?

>> You know, I've been trying to figure out

if that's true. I saw that go all over

the internet.

>> But it's one of those things like who

knows if that's real

>> that. And then the other one is they're

like, you know, Swedish billionaire

bought this much of the Amazon. And it's

like but what's his name?

>> They keep saying that and I'm like I

don't

>> Well, let's put it into perplexity and

find out if that's true.

>> Which one? the uh whether or not they

carved out a pathway through the Amazon

for a climate change summit because that

sounds like horseshit.

>> That just sounds too too ridiculous.

>> There's no way they would do something

that stupid.

>> I don't know. But I did see

>> also why would they have a climate

change summit in the Amazon? You going

to do it in a tent like

>> No, I think they did it in Manow. I

mean, there are cities in the Amazon.

There's Aquitos. There's Manouse.

>> Sure.

>> But you can fly into those cities. You

don't need to carve out a [ __ ]

pathway. But I I remember seeing a video

of this guy and he was saying like this

is where the jungle used to be and now

it's just this big road. And I was like

but again who in charge of the climate

unless they were going to have a climate

conference and just local administrators

and politicians said well we better get

ready and clear this area and like maybe

it wasn't intentional. I don't know.

>> This stuff is pictures of it.

>> Whoa. It's on the BBC.

>> Amazon forest failed to build road for

climate summit.

>> There you go.

>> Oh my god. It's real.

>> [laughter]

>> Oh my god. A new four-lane highway

cutting through tens of thousands of

acres of protected Amazon rainforest is

being built for the COP30

climate summit in the Brazilian city of

BM. Oh my god.

>> It wasn't my house.

>> That is so crazy. It aims to ease

traffic to the city which will help

climate.

>> It's easier to drive when there's no

trees.

>> More than 50,000 people including world

leaders at the conference in November.

The state government touts the highway

highway sustainable pred. I love how

they use that term. Sustainable is one

of those wonderful terms you can just

throw on things. Sustainable

uh credentials but lacks local and

conservation but some local and locals

and conservationists are outraged at the

environmental impact. Yeah, duh.

>> That's crazy. You're you're chopping

down trees to protest chopping down

trees.

>> That's [ __ ] insane.

>> Sounds amazing. I just, you know,

[snorts]

>> at what point in time are

[clears throat] people going to wake up?

>> At one point in time, people are going

to wake up. And I think that that's, you

know, that's sort of as I've been I've

just started this book tour and

everything else and it's the thing I'm

trying to impress. I was just talking

about this the other night is like we've

had world wars, we've had great famines,

we had the the dust bowls. Like there's

never been a time in history though

before where we're looking at is there

going to be ecological collapse?

The thing that I'm talking about with

where they've cut 20% of the Amazon,

scientists are warning that if we cut

too much of the Amazon, that moisture

cycle, I think the the thing was that 20

trillion lers of water every day are

pumped into the air from the Amazon and

that becomes the cloud system that rains

back down and creates the Amazon

rainforest. If you cut too much of that,

you break the cycle.

>> And that forest has been growing for

something like 55 million years. I

believe it formed in the eosene.

And so we are the generation that's

going to decide, do we find a

sustainable way to keep the animal the

Amazon rainforest functioning or are we

going to break that cycle and once we

lose it, it's not going to come back.

It's

>> so crazy. It's so crazy that people are

so shortsighted that like we want to

have cattle ranches.

>> It's it is it is disorganization and

apathy. It's like we we we have the

ability to organize incred I mean if you

can organize an airport you can you can

figure out a way to protect the forest

but the fact that it's in numerous Latin

American countries Brazil wants to

develop in Peru you have the illegal

gold miners coming in and now you have

the pressure from the Asian markets and

you know we found that if you just I

mean that's what we've been doing over

the last 20 years is going to these gold

miners and loggers and going how much do

you make and they go $20 a day. you go,

"Do you want to make 60?" And you get a

cool shirt and you get health benefits

and you get to ride a boat and you get a

team and they're like, "Yeah, that

sounds so much better."

>> And they're happy to come over, but they

need the opportunity.

>> We've talked about you doing that. I

think that is really amazing. It's just

crazy that it takes a person like you

and your organization to like put some

sort of a dent in this that this isn't

some sort of a a gigantic global effort

that there's not a lot of people that

are recognizing this issue and saying,

"Hey, this is a huge problem if this

goes away." I think though that there I

I see in the world that I exist in I see

that all over the world there's people

doing conservation projects and that we

are at this point where there's enough

happening where I mean you had uh Eio

Wilson advocating for the halfear policy

where it's you know at least half of the

earth has to remain ecosystems. If you

break too much down, if you ruin our

ocean fisheries, if you cut the

rainforest and the forest, you're going

to ruin the weather,

>> right?

>> The stuff that comes standard with life

on Earth is going to be depleted,

>> right?

>> And so I think, you know, you see tiger

numbers going up in India. You see that

there's actually been an increase in

forest cover globally, but in some of

the most important areas like the

Amazon, it's just wild. And I mean

that's what we're doing is you know the

guy JJ that I work with who's local he's

been trying to he's been saying this for

years. I mean since we saw each other he

got which I don't know how this

happened. I don't know how some of this

stuff happens but we got a we got an

email one day from time and they were

like we're selecting our you know uh 100

climate leaders of 2024 and they're like

JJ's one of them. And I have no idea how

the people at time select this, but they

chose this. I mean, JJ grew up in an

indigenous community barefoot. He didn't

have shoes until he was 13. And it was

because he saw his forest get destroyed.

And because he saw the fish vanish from

the rivers, as nets came in, and then as

chainsaws came to the region, he saw the

trees go down, he went, "We got to

protect the next river."

>> And so he's the one that, you know, when

I went down there at 18 years old, he's

the one that was like, "Look, you got to

help me protect this." And of course at

18 years old I was like how how do I do

that? How how on earth is that possible?

And then when we started seeing the

smoke on the horizon and we started

hearing the chainsaws and it got more

urgent. I started telling these stories

and then the anaconda stories and the

everything else. The first book that I

wrote and little by little Jane Goodall

um people helped along the way. Joe

Rogan helped along the way. Well, I'm

happy to get the word out because I I I

mean, it's it's kind of insane that it's

happening, but it's also that place is

such a magical place and it has such an

insane history that we're we're just

starting to understand the history of

the people that live there. I mean,

through the use of lidar, they're just

starting to understand that the entire

place was massively populated and that a

lot of the plants that exist in the

Amazon are actually agriculture plants

that went, you know, went rogue when the

people were depopulated because people

brought in smallox.

>> I I got to push back on that. That's

that's I feel like that's a theory

that's been becoming prevalent as a

theory.

>> Well, sure, there was a jungle before.

Because even in the lost city of Z, I

mean even the talk, what is it?

>> Percy Faucet name the people that went

there, they talked about the Amazon

being a lush rainforest.

>> Yeah.

>> But and these enormous cities that were

incredibly complex.

>> Yeah.

>> Before the jungle swallowed them up. So

it's it's clear that there was some form

of jungle there already.

>> 100%. but that these plants that they

grew for agriculture were the ones that

had uh you know once people stopped

tending them and taking care of them

they overwhelmed the rest of the forest.

>> Yeah. I a friend sent me a clip and you

I think you were talking to Tom Sigura

and you went you know and the crazy

thing about the Amazon and you went it

it's it's largely man-made and I was

like and I like threw something and I

was like no

>> let's find out why we said that. Let's

uh pull that up. um put run that into

Perplexity and see what articles we get

>> because what they're saying is that

these plants the the number if I believe

if I'm not misstating the numbers that

they exist in are are not natural but

that's only around these ancient sites

and so I went and did a deep dive into

this and the sites that they've studied

are along the watersheds and so in the

Amazon you have terrairma which is sort

of dry forest and then it dips into the

river basin and you have flood plane

Most of these cities existed on flood

planes. And so where the scientists are

able to go is up the rivers and they go

to the edges of these flood planes where

they find ancient human settlements. And

that's where you find terapra soil which

is human engineered

>> and that's where you find there'll be

like a higher incidence of certain trees

or certain plants.

>> What are these trees?

>> And so like bananas for example or for

sometimes they'll plant a higher amount

of Brazil nut trees.

>> So here it is our sponsor perplexity

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>> It used to be a vast inland sea.

>> Crazy.

>> Yes. When it when it separated from

Africa, the the the Congo and the Amazon

used to be joined in some sort of proto

Congo system. And then when they they

separated, the Amazon South America hit

up against the Nazca plate. the Andes

mountains shot up and then the salinated

water drained out and that's why we

still have uh inland freshwater

stingrays, manatees, pink river

dolphins.

>> Oh, that makes sense.

>> And so that happened over millions of

years as the salin years the saltwater

dolphins adapted to fresh water.

>> Exactly.

>> And is that why they [clears throat]

became pink?

>> They became pink, I think, because

they've lost their pigmentation. They

have terrible eyesight. Um, they almost

don't need to see because you don't in

the in that sediment-rich water they're

using they're using sonar.

>> Whoa. That's crazy.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> Wow. So, they've become almost blind.

>> All the fish you pull out these giant

catfish. They hardly have eyes. They

have like light sensing organs.

>> Whoa.

>> You can't see. I mean, there's there are

clear rivers in the Amazon, which I

would love to go. I've never been to

one. And like the streams are clear, but

the Amazon River itself, there's

nothing. Everyone's like, "Oh, you

should bring a GoPro in the river with

you." And I'm like, "For what?

>> You're not going to see anything.

>> It's just sediment."

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> But the thing that that that the that

this theory about the the Amazon is even

human engineered is wrong. Because when

you look at the size of the Amazon, you

look at that 2.7 million miles, it's

it's that they've said that what they're

not getting is that in the areas that

these people have been studying with

LiDAR and through this anthropological

digging, they're saying it's more than

we thought. There certainly more human

settlements than we previously thought.

There maybe were a few million people

there before Pizaro and and and the

explorers came. But when you don't what

you don't realize is that between the

rivers between each river which is the

majority of the Amazon is this terrairma

giant jungle with hundreds of miles

between the rivers nobody's been there

and so I just was reading a scientific

paper it was saying they went out and

sampled those areas and it showed

absolutely no sign of human engineering

and so most of the forest

>> in terms of the growth of the plants but

did they do LAR to see if there's

previous structures? Well, the good

thing with the LAR is that they fly over

and so the LAR confirmed that over those

human areas like you get like a river

confluence where two rivers are coming

together

>> there'll be a human settlement there and

in those areas they find that the

teraprada they'll find that the plants

occur in different abundance and

diversity than in the other places

>> but that the this this message that the

Amazon itself was engineered by ancient

humans or prehistoric humans is not

actually accurate. It was a wild

>> clickbait. Did they make articles saying

because people build their careers on,

you know, if you come out and say, "I

have a new theory about how this

formed." It gets attention. There's even

a And nothing against um what's his

name? Graham Hancock.

>> Mhm.

>> Um for a while everyone was like, "Oh,

Paul Rosie used to debate Graham." No, I

don't I got nothing against Graham

Hancock. He's great. Um but but it's

just the messaging isn't is becoming

that the Amazon was kind of man-made.

And so what happens is you get leaders

like in Brazil going well if the Amazon

was really man-made then we can manage

it now

>> and it's just not it's just not accurate

if you look if you look at the and even

Smithsonian did an article where they

said these are the current things that

are coming out these are the theories

and then it went yeah but these theories

discount the fact that 95% of the Amazon

rainforest has not been surveyed in this

way and most of it shows that these are

just wild ecosystems that have been

growing since the dawn of time for the

last 55 30 million

And it's just been speciating and

growing and evolving on its own. And

it's only in these tiny areas that

humans have done this sort of

engineering where there were tribes, the

first one to come down the Amazon. He

mentioned that um there were tribes that

had sectioned off parts of the river and

they were growing the giant river

turtles and that was their prime source

of protein. So they figured out how to

get

>> giant river turtle.

>> Oh, tremendous. They're like three or

four feet across from the carropus.

>> Show me a giant river turtle, Jamie. Oh,

they're huge.

>> They're monstrous. Absolutely. We We

don't have them

>> sea turtles. Like those sea turtle sea

turtles sea turtle size. They're huge.

They're absolutely monstrous.

>> And then we found fossil there. We're on

a beach. We found fossils of an 8 foot

river turtle. Yeah. But see like that.

>> Okay. So, just like the ones you find in

Hawaii, those sea turtles are like if

you go to the Big Island, you could swim

with them. It's pretty dope.

>> Yeah. These guys don't have flippers,

though. They still have They still have

claws. I mean, those are monster

turtles. And that is

>> and so

>> and so they were growing them, farming

them for

>> they were farming them. And so in areas

like that, you're going to see

agriculture, you're going to see

pottery, you're going to see terror

praa, you're going to see things where

there was a small civilization by the

edge of the river. And then in the other

98% of the Amazon, no one's ever been

there.

>> Have you had sea turtle before? Have you

this kind of turtle? Whatever it is,

have you eaten it yet?

>> Oh, sea turtle. No, this turtle. Yeah,

>> absolutely.

>> What is it like? Uh uh uh it's kind of

slimy. It's not like anything. It's very

strange because you they cook it and

just you know everyone everyone always

how could you be a conservationist and

eat the animal because when you go to

someone's house and they live on the

side of a river and they go we're having

dinner. That's what they're serving.

>> You got to eat with them. Yeah.

>> I wouldn't do that, man. You're ruining

>> How could you? Let me throw paint on it.

[laughter]

>> Let me glue myself to the shell.

>> Yes. That's what I'm going to do next

time. Um, and I showed you that video

where I'm sharing the monkey head with

the girl and I was like, "I was

babysitting a six-year-old and she was

like, "It's lunchtime." And I was like,

"Well, what did your parents leave you

for lunch?" And she like opens this pot

and pulls out a monkey head and she was

like, "This." So, we put it on the fire,

warmed it up. And then we both sat there

just like rip I would like rip off a

piece for her cuz I was stronger and

give it to her. And then she was like,

"No, no, no. I want the ear." And she

like she would rip off the ear.

>> Like we just sat there eating a monkey

face. And

>> so the turtle they cook it in the shell.

They'll just like, you know, they'll

just like slit its throat, throw it on

the fire, and so it cooks in the shell.

Then they part the shell and then you

kind of just like, it's like a

slowcooked like when the meat falls off

the bone.

>> Oh wow.

>> You just throw a little salt on there

>> and it's kind of how do they get their

salt?

>> So that's something they trade.

>> They trade for it. They trade for I mean

the people I'm dealing with have access

to the outside. Even the really remote

communities that are two days up river,

they they they trade with the outside

world. They have some

>> interaction with money. And so that's

one of the things that we're doing as an

organization is saying, "Okay, what do

you want your future to look like?"

Because right now you have a couple

shotguns, you got a couple chainsaws,

you got a couple boats, and those things

make you want money, but you also want

to eat fish out of the river every day,

>> right?

>> You also want to eat monkeys every day.

And then these are your staples. And

they're like, you know, if if if you cut

down more of these trees, there will be

less monkeys. If you shoot too many,

like, it's not like they have deer tags

where it's like a monitored thing. They

just they they're not understanding

this. You know, when it was a bow and

arrow, it was kind of a fair game,

>> right?

>> Now, the shotgun, it's like you can go

shoot whatever you want.

>> Yeah. Every time you point at a monkey,

it's dead. Yes. It's not a tricky hunt.

>> And so, we're work these guys are, you

know, working with us as rangers and

we're building this developing this

relationship with the local communities

of saying, "How do you do you want to

continue living this way? Do you want

your kids to live this way?" And the

answer usually is yes, but with better

health and education. M so we want

>> so yes but that's so they like that way

of life they want they want to continue

that way of life

>> because it's the only thing they've

known I mean has have any of these

people ever gone to like any of these

other cities that are fairly close or

that they could reach and and seeing

what that life is like. Yeah, we bought

we brought one of the communities. They

were having trouble with the Peruvian

government getting recognized as an

indigenous community and they were

having this trouble for 15 years and we

we used you know now we have lawyers and

and people and we have an office and all

this stuff in Peru and so we we went and

sat down with them. We said, "Okay, why

are you having this trouble? I mean, you

clearly are an indigenous community.

What's what's the holdup?" And the

holdup was that it takes two days for

them to get to the nearest town. When

they get to the nearest town, they're

scared of the traffic. They have no idea

what to do with paperwork. They have to

sit in an office. I mean, these are

people they're like putting their bows

and arrows and guns down and walking

into an office and sitting there in the

air conditioning and they're like,

"Next." And they're like, "Sit." And

they're like, "Do you have form like

I227B?" And they're like, "I

like what's your social security

number?" And they're like, "Ah." And

they're, you know, they got some like

fish shells and they're you.

[clears throat]

>> Um, and so what we realized was that

they were just having trouble with the

administrative part. And so we put our

lawyers on it and we got them their

indigenous titled land. And so now no

one can take that away from them. And so

for that we brought them all to the

city. We had a big conference and we had

a big celebration about it and they were

all had the feathers on their head and

they were all celebrating and now

they're safe.

>> Do they get is there any push back? Like

is there any like political influence by

the whatever it is miners, ranchers,

anyone who tries to stop that from

happening, bribe people to try to take

over the land of these people.

Absolutely. I mean the Amazon is a war

zone of of influence. And so you have I

mean the the miners if anybody tries to

protest the gold mining they kill you.

So, one of the lawyers that I was

working with, his father had come out

and said, "Look, as a local Peruvian

person in the jungle, I want this to

stop. They can't. They're destroying

There's a Jamie, there's a a a photo in

the folder that says I think it says

sandstorm or something, but it's just

it's not even again deserts are actually

ecosystems. This is a wasteland. They've

they've destroyed hundreds of thousands

of acres in the Peruvian Amazon. You can

see it from space. It's this horrible

scar. and they've cut the trees, burned

the forest, and then they've sucked the

land up, and then they they take the

bottom of the sediment and they use

mercury to bind the gold out of the

sediment. And then they burn the mercury

off the gold, releasing it into the air.

>> Oh, great.

>> Oh, yeah. So that then in the rain it

comes down as mercury rain, which gets

into the fish, which gets into the

people.

>> And then also the miners must be getting

mercury poisoning. The miners all have

mercury poisoning, birth defects,

>> health problems, respiratory issues.

>> I mean, it's

>> Yeah, that's some of the fires.

>> Um, that's that's that is me. That is me

running out there with

>> you right there.

>> Yeah. I mean, as soon as we see forest

burning, we we we run towards it.

>> And it rains there a lot, right? So,

like, how long does this forest fire

last? Well, they do it in September when

the So, like it's like July through

September when the forest is at its

driest. They come in and they cut the

forest and they leave it down.

>> What was that picture you just showed

me, Jim?

>> That's a horrible picture.

>> Was that animals burned alive on a tree?

>> Two baby jaguars that were burned alive.

>> Oh god.

>> Yeah. And so people

>> and they just stuck on the tree. Burned

alive. That's crazy.

>> People talk about, you know, we're

losing ecosystems. And it's like it's

not just about us. These animals live

there. They have nowhere else to go. Oh,

and so there's massive individual

suffering for I mean there's millions of

animals on a single tree. And so then

when you have this these these fires

where they cut the forest and just burn

everything. This I mean those trees

would have been filled with monkeys and

birds and and and and the snakes, you

know, they they get scared. They burrow

deeper into their hole and then then it

burns.

>> And so this is all for gold mining.

>> This was this was for cattle ranching.

one. This was invaders on our river that

come in from other places. They would

they set up cows. They set up papaya.

And I mean, this is what it's supposed

to look like. It's supposed to be this

lush, verdant, ancient rainforest

filled with wildlife. I mean, the

cacophony of sound when you when you're

when you're going to sleep in your tent

at night and you're out in a place like

that, it's just this throbbing, pulsing

symphony. It's incredible. The magic of

that place of real wilderness

>> is wild. I mean, this is place that that

particular shot was it's we had to go

for days to reach that spot. You know,

all day on the river camp, all day on

the river camp, you know, you're going

up rapids, you're going up the

waterfalls to get to these places that

nobody can go. And there's a there's an

example of it's that was a specifically

a location where they've studied and

they've found that there's never been a

human settlement there. It's just a

corner of the Amazon ever.

>> Have they done liar in these areas where

they say that people?

>> I don't I don't know for sure.

>> That's where it gets weird, right?

Because like they've done LAR on some of

these places that were like very lush

and tropical and then they find these

structures underneath it. You find

>> these areas that clearly had, you know,

some sort of pathways and like geometric

patterns that indicate foundations of

buildings.

>> Yeah. No, I mean those those are there.

I just think that right now the problem

is that it's getting grossly overstated

how much of the Amazon if you take it

take it as a football field and you go

man I thought it was only in this much

of the football field you know in a few

inches of it and then you find out

there's actually 10 ft of the football

field that was there still the rest of

the football field is still wild

>> right

>> and so what I think that's the the

message that's getting lost is they're

going there's a lot more here than we

thought that doesn't mean the whole

thing

>> I watched a documentary once on this guy

was losing his mind he was a scientist

who was a biologist who's convinced that

the giant sloth still existed

>> in the Amazon and they couldn't find it

>> and that these people who lived there

were telling him, "We see them. We know

what they are. We have a name for them."

>> And this guy had been there for years

and he was losing his mind because he

couldn't find it. And he sort of staked

his academic reputation on the idea that

this sloth existed.

>> Couldn't find anything. But it doesn't

mean it's not there. It doesn't mean

it's not there

>> because there's so much.

>> There's so much and the the locals are

never wrong.

>> Like imagine if you were looking for a

coyote and you had to look through the

entire like there was a thousand coyotes

in the center of the United States and

you started in Pennsylvania and you were

hiking your way like I don't see any

[ __ ] coyotes but there's a thousand

of them that are in North Dakota and

you've got to find this like that's

essentially

>> that's a great way of thinking of it. I

It's the same thing with rattlesnakes.

When I was a teenager, I was exploring

the mountains of of New York and I was

going, "It says there's rattlesnakes

here." So, I was just walking around

finding every kind of snake. I be like,

"Well, where are the rattlesnakes?" And

you don't realize the wildlife occurs in

populations. And so, the rattlesnakes

were all near rattlesnake dens.

>> And so, then I started making friends

with other guys that were into snakes.

And they're like, "Yeah, we know where

they are. It's only, you see that

mountain right there? It's like it's on

the side of that. go to that in the

morning when there's sun and you'll see

them basking. It's like you got to go to

where they live,

>> right? And you have to talk to the

people that actually know. Well, this

guy was trying to do that, but you there

was this this one scene of exasperation

where he was like sitting down saying,

"Did I stake my entire reputation on

horseshit?" You know,

>> did he did he

>> buddy? Did you have to pee? He keeps

getting up, which is unusual for him.

Can you tell Jeff to come uh and get

him? See if he can He might have to pee.

He's generally he he's happy to chill.

>> Yeah. He'll just lay.

>> He keeps getting up and he's huffing.

Yeah. Which is like he communicates that

way. Like when he wants to eat, he comes

up to me and he huffs. You know,

>> my buddy's the best. He's the best.

>> No, but I think that that's that's

that's the truth is that it's it's

people think it's like you can just go

find this stuff and it's that the the

secrets in this world are hidden for a

reason. And even if there is a tribe

that knows about the giant ground

sloths,

>> they're not going to tell us,

>> right?

>> They're not going to tell someone from

the outside. So it might be like one one

valley between two mountains where

there's still a population.

>> Go to the bathroom and bring them back

in here. [snorts]

>> I'm pretty sure he has to go.

>> Thanks, Jeff.

Um

>> I wouldn't, you know,

>> I mean, there's got to be a bunch. Well,

there there's so many plants that they

find there that this is an interesting

statistic. um find out what percentage

of pharmaceutical drugs the compounds

emanate from the Amazon.

>> It's an enormous percentage.

>> Yeah. Yeah. A lot of the base drugs

quinine came from the Amazon. The first

cure for malaria. I know. Captipril,

which was a blood pressure medication,

came from Bushmaster Venom. That was in

the '9s. There's There's so much. I

mean, I just got whacked by a stingray

hard.

>> I saw that. It got your foot right.

>> It was brutal.

>> What was that like? What happened?

>> It was brutal. I mean that in

>> Bro, you've been hit by everything.

>> I I had to [laughter] dude I I my body

is a Jackson Pollock painting of scars.

>> Do you Do you ever get checked for

parasites? Because you must have all of

them.

>> I do. I have.

>> Estimates typ typically say that about

25% of modern pharmaceutical drugs are

derived from rainforest plants. And many

of the of those known examples come from

the Amazon. But there's no precise

peer-reviewed percentage

>> just for the Amazon [clears throat]

alone. Um most popular figures you see

like 25% of medicines come from the

Amazon actually refer to all tropical

rainforest not specifically the Amazon.

But the the thing is like how much of

the Amazon has not been explored and how

many potential pharmaceutical drugs or

you know here's that's the term right

pharmaceutical drugs. What about natural

remedies exist in the Amazon that aren't

you don't need to patent them and sell

them at a [ __ ] pharmacy.

Yeah. I mean, look, so we have, you

know, we have we have Neosporin. You get

a cut, it looks a little infected, you

put Neosporin on it.

>> It might work. Down there, we have a

tree that you we we tested this and it

it murders bacteria. It's like a hundred

times more potent than Neosporin.

>> What's it called?

>> The Sre Drago. It's not even a big

secret. Like people know about this.

Every time I post about it, everyone's

like, "Yeah, we know about that. We use

it." No, but but no one's ever turned it

into a

>> Can it grow in Austin?

>> Probably.

>> Can I get some sandre? How do you say

it?

>> Sandre Drago. The dragon.

>> Sandre Drago.

>> Sangre Drago.

>> Sangre Drago.

>> Yes. Dragons.

>> I'm watching Game of Thrones again. That

sounds like something Kesi would say.

[laughter]

>> The mother of dragons. Um

>> I mean, and uh by the way, Cal Drago

could have used that as he died of an

>> I mean, right, the thing that took him

down.

>> That didn't make any sense to me. I

thought that was a plot hole. There it

is. Dragon's Blood Srago.

>> Wow.

>> But is it good? Is it Is it sourced?

Well,

>> right. It's probably made by some

[ __ ] It's probably like 1%. The rest

of it's corn syrup

>> cuz we just go we just hit the tree with

the machete and then you have a spoon

and then you put it on your thing. And

actually exactly that. When I saw that,

I thought the opposite. I was like, "Oh,

this great warrior." I was like, "That's

such a great plot twist that just a nick

killed him." I mean, I just had a staff

infection in my leg

>> from one mosquito bite that just got

itchy and then it spread and it spread

and it spread until I had to be on

double antibiotics. They cultured it and

it was MRSA

>> and it's like I would die

>> in the Amazon.

>> Well, I got MRSA years ago at um I had

deni and I had gone to a to a clinic in

the city which MRSA usually lives like

in like in the hospitals in the human

areas,

>> right? Because it's a medication

resistant staff infection. And that's

that's what MRSA stands for, right?

>> Yep. And so I had gotten it and so I

have a tendency now I've been a little

bit compromised in terms of infections

cuz living 20 years in the jungle and uh

so I had already gotten it. So chances

are that's what it doesn't exist. And

that's the thing you see in the in the

wild jungle you don't have malaria, you

don't have rabies, you don't have deni

because the human population is so low

that it doesn't spread. A mosquito bites

you here, the next person that's going

to bite is me or Jamie. Mosquito bites

me in the city and then I go out into

the rainforest, there's no one else for

it to bite. It's going to bite a an

anteater,

>> right?

>> And so it's not going to spread like

that. Whereas if we have a town of

loggers, that's why when you go to these

like logging and mining camps, the

diseases,

>> they're just I mean there's this thing

called this type of flea called a [ __ ]

that go burrows into your feet and lays

eggs. There's lemon manasis, there's

malaria, deni, um what's the the bird

zika virus? There's all these crazy

things, but we don't have that out in

the jungle because I mean the the

ecosystem, the frogs eat most of the the

the mosquito larvae. The mosquito larvae

like like bomeilad cups or puddles.

Well, burmilad cups and puddles are

filled with tadpoles. And then of course

there's turtles in the puddles eating

the tadpoles and then there's other

things eating the turtles. Everything's

eating everything. ecosystem ecosystem

regulates it. When you ruin that, so

then you cut down the forest. Now you

have puddles

>> sitting in the sun and they're all

twitching with mosquito larvae. So you

have tons of mosquitoes.

>> And so that's how nature they say, you

know, mangrove forests will stop

tsunamis from destroying a town because

they'll stop the the rush of the water.

Well, forests will keep you safe by not

only producing rainfall that'll come

down on your crops, but also making sure

that the ecosystem is not out of balance

so you're not covered in mosquitoes and

parasites. When I uh lived in LA, I

moved into a house in Inino that I was

renting and the no one had lived there

in quite a while. And they had left the

water in the pool and uh when I was

going out to look at the pool, the pool

was completely green and there was

things swimming in it like

>> I mean like school swimming. And I go,

"What is that?" And the guy goes,

"That's mosquito larva." I was like

>> I'm like, "No way." And he's like,

"Yeah, we have to kill them. We have to

drain the pool. And we like I I was just

thinking about how many times I was

going to get bit once these things

hatched. It was crazy. Like it was like

watching little fish swim around. Little

hatchlings.

>> Yep. And then thank God for dragonflies

cuz they'll lay they'll lay their their

young in the same thing. And dragonfly

larvae will go murk those things.

They're savage. And then you get

tadpoles.

>> Um

>> the wild kingdom right in your pool.

>> Right in your pool. Right in your little

cup. But but when I got stung by the

stingray, it was crazy because so the

the I had been walking. back, buddy.

>> I've been walking with shoes in this

stream. I took my shoes off cuz I was

like, "Oh, I'm at a waterfall. I know

this waterfall. I love this waterfall."

Playing in the waterfall. And man, it's

the one thing. Bullet ants, Cayman

bites, snake bites. I've had it all. The

stingray bite was the one thing.

>> Worse than bullet ants?

>> A 100 thousand times worse.

>> Really?

>> Yes. And I'd seen one guy get get stung

by a stingray. And he had nerve damage,

a a systemic infection up his leg and

his whole body. And he didn't walk for

months. So when I got hit, I felt, this

is what I felt. I felt in a the flash of

a second, I felt the stingray barb go

into my foot and it wagged its tail

under my skin. So it flayed the skin off

the arch of my foot and came out.

>> And it has venom.

>> Yeah.

>> So there all the skin is

>> Oh man, that is nasty.

>> You put the skin of the dragon or

whatever the hell it is

>> better. So I I I I I I sat and of course

my first thing was I was like, "Okay, I

got to document this."

>> I'm unconscious. I'm unconscious at this

point.

>> You're in that much pain.

>> Yes. I was blacking out.

>> I was freaking out. He's like, "What is

that?"

>> Yeah. I mean, I was literally I knew I

knew people were filming and I was like,

I didn't, you know, you want to be

tough. You want to be like, "All right,

I just got bit by a stingray. It's going

to be fine." I was not tough.

>> You It says, "I don't remember any of

this."

>> Yeah. So that that first thing right

there, I started taking the video and my

friend comes up to me and he was like,

"Hey, man." He's like, "We got to you

got to stop." He's like, "Because in a

minute you're going to go under." And I

was like, "What do you mean I'm going to

go under?" And he's like, "Once the

venom hits your system," he's he goes,

"You're not going to be able to walk and

we're we're still a few miles from the

river." And he's like, "We got to get

you to the boat and we can't carry you."

>> Whoa.

>> And so they got me back to the station.

I don't remember any of it. They had me

laying on my back and I was in so much

pain I couldn't put my foot down. I

mean, I was making deals with God. I was

going, "If I if you if you just make the

pain go away," I was like, "I'll go to

church every day." I was like, "I'll

never smoke a cigarette again."

>> On your foot.

So that's the plant medicine. That's

where I'm going with this.

>> Smoke a cigarette every day. That's

funny.

>> They that that pack there, they went to

two different trees and they removed

compounds from the tree. One was the

bark and one was the fiber and they put

it into a leaf pack and they cook it on

a pan and they heat it and it makes this

plant pus and they put this boiling hot

piece of plant material. It's like a

It's like a fishcake and they put it

against the wound and even that burned

but it felt better than the than the

venom and it starts to suck out the

venom. And so when they took it off my

foot after like this is this is them

getting the getting the plant material

where they know the medicines and that's

been handed down through the

generations.

>> So they're just shaving it off with a

knife.

>> Yes. You see this few different colors

>> cake of all this stuff.

>> Uhhuh.

>> Wow.

>> And then they heat that up until it's

scalding. Press it against your foot.

And you've been in the Amazon for a long

time. Is this is the first time that's

ever happened to you? You've been stung

by a stingray.

>> This is the first time.

>> Now, how does it happen? You just you

step in the wrong place.

>> JJ's nephew. So, he knows he's got the

indigenous training. He knew exactly

what to do.

>> Wow.

>> Yeah. And so, that's all the venom. So,

now it pulls that black stuff is all the

all the the the denatured blood that

came out of my foot. And so, for about

four hours, I was in this state of just

level 10 pain. Just white hot pain. I

couldn't talk to anybody. I couldn't do

anything. People were coming to me and

they were like, "What can we do?" And I

was like, "Just leave me alone." I was

like, "I don't want you to look at my

face. You know, I was coming in and

out." And then and then by nighttime

it had it had gotten this was at night

where I was like, "Okay." The pain had

subsided, but I didn't get nerve damage

and I didn't get a huge infection

because they had this indigenous plant

medicine to save me.

>> Wow.

>> The last guy that I knew that got it,

he'd went straight to the hospital and

they had no idea how to deal with it.

The locals know how to deal with this

stuff.

>> Wow.

>> Look at that. That's crazy.

>> That's tree medicine.

>> That's crazy. So, what happens? You just

stepped in the wrong spot. That's all it

is.

>> I mean, I've stepped on stingrays before

and you feel them flutter and I one time

I even felt the barb go like past my

foot, but it didn't penetrate. I do not

know how. I mean, it must have been a

small one or something, but it it just

right up through the through the arch of

my foot. And what's funny is that just

>> I would never walk barefoot ever. Well,

I walk barefoot all the time, but but

but just days before, not days before

that, about a month before that, I'd

fallen off of something like a 50 or 60

foot cliff and just rolled down and

bruised ribs and gotten all banged up.

I'd climbed up this cliff thinking I

could I was like, I see this route up

there. I can get up to the top. And at

the top, my strength just ran out and my

feet were pedaling and I had no footooth

holes. And I just went tumbling down

this thing. And I just went, you know

what? I said, I've had infections. I've

had crocodile bites. I've had I've had

deni. I said I'm I got a week left in

the Amazon. I'd been in the Amazon for 6

months and I was like I'm doing nothing

dangerous. No tree climbing, no anaconda

hunting, no croc diving, none of that

stuff

>> and I was just swimming in a waterfall

and bam

>> just just took me out of the game. That

was actually in April. I waited to post

it until now. But everyone's everyone's

messaging me going, "How's your foot?"

And I'm like, "It was months ago." But I

was like, "It is better."

>> How long did it take before it was

better?

>> Honestly, two days. I was on my feet in

two days. It was fine. Yeah.

>> And if you went to the hospital,

>> I did not go to the hospital.

>> But if you did go to the hospital,

>> I mean, the guy that the guy that went

to the hospital didn't walk for two

months, had the necrosis, and and had a

huge infection that he had to go get

treatments for. I mean, he went back to

his home country and had to continue

being treated for months. I felt

terrible. And him, too, watching

watching someone roll back and forth in

that type of agonizing pain, like

braveheart pain, like when they're just

like opening him up.

I mean, I just didn't know there was

pain like that, you know? I mean, I've

I've I've ripped open every part of my

body and and I I I just this was it's

from the inside and it's pulsating and

you just go the other thing is you go,

how much how much of my year did I just

miss? You know, am I going to It's like

the the one time I almost chopped my

knee. Uh I almost cut the tendon that

holds your kneecap on and I was just

like, man, did I just take myself out of

the game for a year? You know, just like

come on. And so when that happened, I

was like, this is going to be so bad.

And meanwhile, a couple days later, you

walk around because they understood the

medicine.

>> The local guys know. Yeah.

>> Wow.

>> That was awesome.

>> Did you ask them how they know this

stuff?

>> Yeah. Their father taught them and their

mother taught them and their

grandparents know. And so that's the

thing with knowledge, indigenous

knowledge all over the world. If you if

you listen to authors like Wade Davis

who writes a lot about indigenous

wisdom,

you know, this is stuff that's been one

at a time gleaned from nature. And you

know you you know better than most you

know you're living out there.

>> Who's the first person that figured out

Iawaska? You know if we take this and

this we take this vine and then we take

this and we boil them together. How many

trials and errors? How many dead guys

were there before one worked?

>> Right.

>> And what was the motivation?

>> And what was the motivation?

>> They said the jungle taught them how to

do it.

>> They did. this the the prevailing thing

is that science and and sort of uh the

like the statistics of of trial and

error are incomprehensible given 40,000

plant species and all the different

flowering and orchids and trees and so

it would take millennia if it if you did

trial and error.

>> Yeah.

>> And the cost to human life to any

civilization would make it too high. And

so when they say that the gods gave us

Iawaska,

that's the prevailing best thing we got

is that it's a link between our world

and the spirit world that the jungle

gave us.

>> Right. And and the you know the other

thing is like how much of our senses

have atrophied by modern civilization?

Yeah.

>> Like what kind of communication do you

actually get from the forest? Like is

there is it instincts, intuition? Are

there senses? Does is there a feeling

that you get where you get an

understanding of combining two things

because the jungle's actually got a way

of communicating with you that's a

non-verbal way? [snorts] I think the the

jungle I mean I view it as almost a you

know it's like it's godlike. It's it's

almost like a a giant complex sentient

being. And so you if you listen to if

you watch, you know, if you walk the

jungle with JJ, an indigenous tracker,

he'll tell you, you listen to the birds,

they'll tell you how fast you're allowed

to walk.

>> What?

>> And what he what he means is you're

walking through the forest on a sunny

day, it's the afternoon, and everybody's

chirping and making tons of noise. And

all of a sudden, everything goes quiet.

>> And then you got to figure out, you

know, is that because there's a weather

system coming in and we're about to be

in a thunderstorm or is there a jaguar

right over there? And everything around

me knows. And it's like the the the

birds are the messengers of the forest.

And so you even that you start to become

attuned to the frequency of the forest.

And I notice when I bring people in

that, you know, have never been in the

wild before, they they walk loud.

They're talking the whole time. They're

not paying attention to that sort of

>> right,

>> you know, holistic view of where you

are.

>> You know, modern [clears throat]

civilized life has made us so clunky

when it comes to the woods.

>> Yeah. You know, just when I take people

in the woods of people have never hunted

before, they're stepping on branches.

Snap.

>> Snap.

>> Kicking rocks over like talking loud.

>> My favorite is walking in front of you

and then when the stick snaps back like

having the sensitivity to like

>> they don't catch it. They don't catch

it. Like come on.

>> Just get smacked in the face. Thanks.

>> Well, it's just a lack of awareness, you

know? It's like if you've never been,

you don't understand. But I mean I would

imagine it's that times a million in the

Amazon and then all the different things

that are communicating. One of the

things that they found out with uh with

monkeys is that monkeys have some sort

of a language

>> where they can say a sound that means an

eagle is there.

>> Yes.

>> And that they will play tricks on other

monkeys so they can get to fruit. Yeah.

Yeah.

>> So they will say that an eagle is there

when an eagle's not there and then

they'll go and steal the fruit.

>> Yeah.

>> So they will lie about an eagle being

there and get access to fruit.

>> Lying monkeys does not surprise me. Um

it's African vervet monkeys that I that

I've read about that they have different

calls, different words for land

predator, lion, eagle, and they can

communicate these things. So I mean

they're speaking.

>> Yeah, they're speaking.

>> As are crows, I'm sure.

>> Oh god. Yes. Yeah. I mean, they're super

intelligent.

>> Yeah. Oh, I don't know how we pull this

up. I have it on YouTube, but there was

this thing where we were coming down

river. It was like 7:00 in the morning.

We've been up at our this is I

communication with monkeys theme. As as

we're coming down river, it's like 7:00

in the morning and I'm I'm always cold,

so I'm sitting on the boat and I'm cold.

I'm just like listening to music or

something. And JJ's like, "Look, look,

look." He's like, "There's a spider

monkey in the river." And I was like,

"There's always a you know, spider

monkeys cross rivers. That's okay." And

he's like, "No, no, no. The river's high

right now." And there's all these

whirlpools and currents and so yeah, I

jump into the river

>> to save the monkey

>> to save the monkey. She couldn't get to

the side. So I give her my paddle and

she looks at me and she goes, "No."

She's like, "I'm scared of you." And

then I spoke to her in spider monkey.

>> What did you say?

>> Like that.

>> Oh, she thinks you're going to eat her.

>> She thinks I'm going to eat her. But as

soon as I started going,

>> look, look, look. She's looking at me

cuz I'm making the sound. And all of a

sudden, she goes, "Wait, wait, wait. You

You speak me language."

>> Whoa. And then

>> do it like you would do it.

>> See, I'm making it right there. And

she's looking at me, talking right to

her. No, no, no, no, no. And then I'm

like, look, it's okay. And they like

their tail to be supported.

>> Wow. That's crazy, dude. She let you

hold on to her.

>> So now she's relaxed.

>> That's crazy, dude. You saved a monkey.

>> Only because I spoke her language and I

learned her language from some of the

orphans that I've rescued.

>> That's crazy, man. And then she she was

like, "Well, if you let Cuz I could have

grabbed her like, you know, like animal

control, like grabbed her by the neck."

And I was like, "You know what? Look,

she's looking at me cuz I keep talking

to her."

>> And then you got her over to the to the

shore.

>> Yeah. Got her over to the side. And she

kept looking at me like, "What is What

>> What happened when you put her down?"

>> I put her down. She ran away.

>> She just ran away.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> But not fast. She didn't run away like

she was in terror.

>> Yeah. Oh, yeah. that I when when I when

I first did I went

and she looked at me and she went she

looked at me and she like responded. She

was like what?

>> That's crazy.

>> You speak it. You know

>> that's crazy.

>> It was wild. And that's one of those

stories where if it wasn't on video and

I said I spoke to a spider monkey and

she responded. People be like [ __ ]

>> right? I saved a spider monkey like

[ __ ] that was your pet.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> That looked like a pet. That looked like

you had a relationship with it. Like as

you're holding on to the tail like it

knew you. when she was looking back, I

mean, she was like, "Hey, thanks for the

branch." You know, I was she because she

was drowning. We saw her head go under a

few times.

>> She was really struggling. She was

exhausted. And I know that the spider

monkey, their tail is their fifth limb.

They have this incredible finger pad

that's like 12 inches long.

>> And so it it just just wraps. They

always have their tail anchored on a

branch.

>> And so I I held her tail and I was like,

"I got you. Now hold on to the stick." I

was like explaining it to her.

And she's looking at me going, "How the

hell are you? That is so wild."

>> Yeah, it was it was really cool. That

was a I originally I was like JJ, I was

like, I don't want to get wet. She'll be

fine. He was like, "Go get it. Go catch

it." I was like, "Okay."

>> Wow. Meanwhile, you've eaten spider

monkey, haven't you?

>> Well, sure. [laughter]

>> That doesn't mean I don't want to save

him,

>> right? I would save a deer.

[snorts]

>> Deer, but it does it feel It must feel

really weird eating a primate.

I wish I could say it did. I don't care.

>> Really?

>> No. I mean, I' we've become very callous

to certain things, but I mean, when

people serve turtle now, I'm like, well,

which one is it? You know, it's like I

don't I don't really, you know, it's

like ribeye or t-bone. Like, what are we

what are we eating? It's like,

>> is turtle good? Like, would you like

order it at a restaurant?

>> All right. So, the problem is that

[snorts] the way they

cook it down there, these are people

that live handtomouth, right? And so,

when they cook a turtle, if you get

salt, you're lucky. It's not like

they're sprinkling some cilantro on it

and like marinating it. It's,

>> you know, so if you just like took a

chicken and threw it on a fire and then

like ate a piece of it, it's not great.

>> And so a lot of times that you eat this

this food way out there in the bush. I

mean, I've been there where they've shot

a spider monkey, grilled it up, and I've

been like, you know, I'll just eat rice.

And then I'm like, I'm going to be I'm

going to be tired tomorrow. There's no

pro. I haven't had protein in a week.

And I'm like, give me an arm. You know,

[laughter]

you just like eat the hand. And I'm

like, "All right." And it just tastes

awful. Just tastes like

>> My friend Steve Reanella, he was in the

Amazon with the Yanumame it was. And he

said that that's their preferred food

that they like that above everything.

>> Yeah. Yeah. And I And I see no I see no

conflict between,

>> you know, we're trying to protect the

ecosystem and save the monkeys and I

love the monkeys and I've rescued a lot

of them personally, but again, when

you're when you're in Rome,

>> right?

>> You know, if you don't eat with them,

they go that gringo. You know, they

think that they're Yeah. Whereas they're

like, "Oh, you're one of us,

>> right? You have to,

>> you know, you show them you know how."

>> Mhm.

>> You know, little little things or or

>> must be chewy as [ __ ] right?

>> No, it's it's kind of smooth. It's kind

of like if it's well cooked, it's kind

of like mutton.

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>> So, you have to slow cook it, long cook

it. Is that what it is? Ideally, yes.

But a lot of times it's just they they

tie it to a cross like it's little

monkey Jesus and they throw it on the

fire.

>> Yeah. I've when I saw them cook it, they

singed the outside. They singed all the

hair off and then they cooked it. I

think they cooked it inside banana. See

if you can find

>> Steve Ranella eats a monkey. [laughter]

Um I think they and then they boiled

some of it in like a soup. I don't enjoy

bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo bo

bo bo bo bo bo bo bo boiled meat. I'm

never excited by boiled meat.

>> But stew, right? Isn't stew beef barley

stew is good?

>> Yeah. I mean, if you

>> if you sear it first and then you I mean

it's kind of

>> if you sear it first, right? Cuz like

just boiled chicken to me. Just like you

think a white like

>> just eating it.

>> Yeah. So here he's just eating.

>> Yeah. See, like they're like having a

really good time.

>> Yeah. Initially he was like, I'm not

doing that. And then once they started

doing it was like okay. He said it's it

tasted like smoked turkey.

>> Yeah,

>> my boy Giannis. Yeah, it is. Uh it's

interesting because if you live there

like uh my friend David Cho, he was in

Africa and he hunted with the Hodza

>> and they eat baboons. And he said one of

the craziest things is when you hit the

baboon with an arrow, they grab it

>> like a person. Yeah.

>> Like if a person gets shot with an arrow

and he's like, "Dude, it's fucked."

>> Yikes.

>> Yeah. But that's what they eat. They

don't have a lot of food. And

>> you know, it's like you were saying also

when they don't have a sense of wildlife

conservation. It's not like, hey, we we

have an accurate assessment of how many

baboons are here or how many deer are

here or dikers or whatever the animal is

that they're hunting. They just eat

whatever they can. And sometimes they

eat them almost to extinction and then

they have to move on to baboons. And

baboons were like the only thing that

was left. And there's also like other

people have encroached in settlements

and you know [snorts]

>> that's the way my guys because we have a

lot of wildlife in our region and people

from other regions will come as loggers

and they'll go oh my god my dad told me

that it used to be like this where we

were

>> and now we have people from other

watersheds in the Amazon like you know

150 miles away coming to us and they're

going can you guys bring jungle keepers

over and they don't understand you know

we're killing ourselves just to protect

this river and they're going can you do

this where we are we have no more food

>> because they don't have any regulation

on this. And so what we're doing with

the tribes in our area is just teaching

this basic thing of like,

>> you know, don't hunt, you know, at these

times of year when they're having their

babies,

>> right?

>> Don't over hunt. Monitor how many

monkeys you're bringing into the into

the into the village. And so we're

trying to develop this with them where

if you're going to keep eating monkeys,

do it in a way that they keep being

monkeys,

>> especially once they've gotten firearms.

>> Especially once they've gotten firearms.

the the one of the older guys said to

me, he goes, "Man, it's so sad." He

goes, "We grew up." He goes, "You could

just pull fish out of the river and

there was monkeys in the trees and there

was turtles." He goes, "You could eat

whatever you wanted out of the forest."

He goes, "Now," he goes, "we're eating

sparrows."

>> And he was like, "We've just we've eaten

everything down to the smallest birds."

He was like, "It's just

>> destroyed." And it was where he is is

like something was like Cormick

McCarthy's nightmare. If Cormack

McCarthy was still alive, I would show

him the the the I went to a part of the

Amazon that that really no one goes to

up this horrible river and and the there

were recently contacted unconted people

just just this tribe that had just come

out of the forest. They still had their

bows and they had no idea. Me and JJ

went for like a 3-week expedition, plane

to plane to plane to three days on a

boat to two days on a boat to finally

reaching this last settlement. And the

missionaries had pulled this tribe out

of the forest. They had tricked him.

They said, "Just come with us for a

ride." They pulled him out, but then

they said, "Well, if you want to go

back, you got to pay for your gasoline."

And the tribe was like, "How do we pay

with what?" And they were like, "Money."

And the tribe was like, "What's that?

And where do we get it?" And so these

little people were standing, these were

not tall people like the Mashkapiro.

These were little tiny people. and they

were standing there with their bows. And

so we showed up with our tents and our

gear and we were trying to go up this

river in our boat and these little

people came up to us and they were like

they were making the gesture for food.

And so there's some loggers over there