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>> Gregory,

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good to see you, my friend.

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>> Good to see you, man.

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>> World's on fire.

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>> World is on fire. Good time for you to

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come in.

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>> I mean, I literally uh I mean, talked

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about being addicted to your scroll. I

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got to really put the [ __ ] phone down

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sometimes.

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>> I know. Yeah. It's not good.

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>> No,

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>> it's not good for your brain to see all

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the problems of the world all piling and

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everything looks like it's about to blow

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up.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Iran looks like it's about to blow up.

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They're talking about going to Cuba. Don

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Lemon went to jail. [laughter] It's like

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it's all crazy. It's it's like what's

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next? Well, you know, when jail gives

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you lemons. Um, it and it's also like

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what what's that whole theory about?

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We're only supposed to be exposed to

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like 200 people in our life.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's Dunar's

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number.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Yeah. Well, you only can keep that many

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people in your head,

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>> but you should only know about that many

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divorces and that much cheating and that

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much killing as would happen within 200

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>> crime and fill in the blank. you know,

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fraud, waste, abuse, international

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politics, restrictions on speech in

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England. Like,

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>> yeah,

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>> you say this [ __ ] crazy story. This

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guy in England, uh, an illegal alien was

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a squatter in his house. The court ruled

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that because he didn't live in the

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house. The guy didn't live in the house.

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It was an empty house. They gave him the

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house. They gave the squatter the house.

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The squatter sold it for 540 grand.

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[laughter]

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squatter sold his house, took his house

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cuz he was living and this guy was like

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a pensioner.

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>> He was just a guy who had like an extra

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house, like a [ __ ] investment

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property.

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>> You're right.

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>> And this guy moved into it. Have you

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seen it, Jamie?

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>> I'm seeing something from a year ago.

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>> I don't know. Somebody sent it to me

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today.

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>> They had that in New York back [snorts]

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in the 70s and 80s. There was a lot of

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empty units like down on the Lower East

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Side, like Tomkin Square Park area.

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There was a lot of squatting.

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>> Yeah, this is it. [laughter]

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Squatter moved in the pensioners's empty

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home, then won the legal right to keep

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it and sold the house for 500 I guess

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540. Uh, is that euros or pounds? Is

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that pounds? What's that weird?

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>> Yeah, England has pounds.

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>> That's [ __ ] crazy.

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That's so crazy.

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England has lost its [ __ ] mind. Yeah.

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>> It's almost like they want people to

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either revolt or completely submit. It's

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one or the other. It's like you're

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either begging for a revolution or

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you're begging for people to completely

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submit.

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>> They've arrested 12,000 people this year

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for social media posts.

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>> Oh, that's right.

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>> And most of it is criticizing

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immigration. Just criticizing

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immigration. Just saying immigration

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sucks. We should send these people back

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home.

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>> Cops show up at your door.

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>> Right. Right.

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>> Crazy. Well, Tik Tok is now not allowing

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people to post anything that is

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anti-ICE.

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>> Not that. Not just that. You can't post

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the juice box emoji.

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>> What's that?

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>> Cuz it's code for Jews.

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Cuz people were using it cuz they were

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they were blocking content where they

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were criticizing Israel.

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>> Wait, why is the juice box Jews?

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>> I don't know.

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>> Juice juice. [laughter]

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It is funny.

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>> But did they block the use this is

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somebody sent me this. I haven't

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verified this. Did they block the use of

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the word Epstein?

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>> I saw I mean I saw I don't I'm not on

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the app, but I saw a video of someone

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like trying you know.

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>> Yeah, let's run that through Perplexity

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>> and ask if it's

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>> see if Perplexity will rat out Tik Tok,

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[laughter]

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>> right? Cuz that's um

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>> it's [snorts] so crazy that they would

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do it because they just purchased it,

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right? So it was just purchased by um

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some what what is the group is it did

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Larry Ellison's group purchase it?

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>> Yes.

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>> Okay. Which is tremendous supporter of

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Netanyahu in Israel,

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>> right?

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>> So yeah, there you go. So you got

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censored news now. So any criticism of

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Palestine, what's going on in Gaza, all

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that stuff's going to get squashed

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probably. Tik Tok says does not have a

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rule that bans or blocks the word epste

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across the app, but many US users have

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recently been unable to send that word

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in direct messages.

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Now, I have a friend, his name is Bobby

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Epstein. Totally unrelated. He's the guy

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who owns the Kota racetrack. He's a good

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friend of mine. I can't send a message

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saying, "I was just talking to my friend

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Bobby Epstein."

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>> Oh, no [ __ ]

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>> That's crazy. Epstein is a super common

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name. Yeah,

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>> that's a super. It's like Jones.

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>> It was on Welcome Back Carter,

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>> right? Epstein from Welcome Back Carter.

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That's right.

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>> You can't talk about that.

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>> Play my brother on news radio.

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>> No.

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>> Yes. Him, Nick Depollo, and Brian Callen

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played my brothers and we all just beat

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the [ __ ] out of each other than the

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entire episode. It was hilarious. Yeah.

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Nick threw me through a plate glass

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window and then the brother shows up.

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The Epstein was a priest and he showed

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up with a bat. We were all scared of our

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older brother. [laughter]

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>> It was really funny.

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>> He was the Jew, the Puerto Rican Jew

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from from Brooklyn. He was great. He was

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a really nice guy, too. Um, so what else

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does it say here?

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>> Nuent to probe claims of Trump critical

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censorship on Tik Tok. I think [snorts]

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they're [ __ ] blocking a lot of things

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on on certain social media platforms. I

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mean,

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>> what is that? I mean, what's your big

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picture take on whether or not [snorts]

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social media platforms which are

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privately owned have responsibility

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that say regular broadcast networks

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would have in terms of not censoring

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things.

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>> Well, regular broadcast problem is they

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censor things, right? They don't just

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report on the news. They report on what

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they decide they're going to report on.

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Like if it's a CNN hourly news segment,

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they have no responsibility to tell you

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about any particular story. None. Zero.

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>> Yeah. So they'll wait till something

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becomes like unmanageable before they'll

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start talking about it, right? So

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something like starts getting traction

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on social media like some sort of a

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corruption scandal.

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>> If it's a left-wing scandal, they can

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ignore it, right? And they have no

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obligation to it's not like we have to

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tell you about these very crit. It's not

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like, you know, we ran it through AI.

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There's 20 things that the American

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public has to know about. So they censor

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or at least they curate the content. I

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think for social media platforms, if

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Elon Musk didn't buy Twitter, we would

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be [ __ ] because there would be no

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place where you could say whatever you

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want, even heinous things, right? But if

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someone says heinous things, you can

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block them and not interact with them.

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And you can let other people tear them

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down and tear them apart. And that's how

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it's supposed to be. It's supposed to be

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you don't counter hate speech with

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censorship. You counter it with better

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speech. And you appeal to rational

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people and and insensible people that

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go, "This is why this guy is wrong. This

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is why racism is wrong. This is why rash

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generalizations are wrong. This is why

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it's wrong."

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>> Yeah.

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>> And that's how you're supposed to do it.

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It's supposed to be a free speech town

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hall platform. It's supposed to be like

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the town square where everybody can get

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together and talk about ideas. And

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that's how it should be,

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>> right? And there's been a lot of calls

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that say that you shouldn't be able to

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be anonymous on social media, that you

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should have consequences for your

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actions. The problem with that is then

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you lose all your whistleblowers, right?

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all the whistleblowers that are talking

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about giant corporations that are doing

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horrible things to the environment

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secretly in other countries which we

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find out about all the time like the

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Steven Dawzinger case where that guy got

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arrested about he he was uh prosecut was

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it Exxon

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>> the Dinger case

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>> but it's like whistleblowers are

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important yes you know and if you don't

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have whistleblowers you don't find out

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like if Edward Snowden doesn't come out

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we know so little about the NSA we know

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so little about government spying and

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yeah, he's an American former attorney

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known for his legal battle. Oh, Chevron,

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particularly with uh so he was arrested

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and he went to jail, man, for criminal

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contempt.

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>> I mean, that's first amendment, isn't

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it?

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[sighs]

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>> You know, I don't know exactly the

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details of the case. He spent 45 days in

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prison and a combined total of 993 days

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under house arrest. Wow. Not only do

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they go to jail, it depletes all your

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savings. If they decide to prosecute

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you, your life is ruined.

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>> That's part of the point of it all. It's

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to also discourage other people from

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doing the same thing. So, if you're an

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attorney and you're thinking of

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prosecuting, you know, Shell, you're not

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going to do that now. You go, "Fuck

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this." You know, I have a [ __ ] house

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>> trying to buy a Porsche, [laughter]

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>> right?

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>> And then you back out of it.

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>> Yeah. Right.

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you know,

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>> I mean, uh, yeah, it's, uh, it's a it's

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a it's a weird thing because like I

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know, uh, like right now to cover the

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Pentagon, no journalist can go into the

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Pentagon unless they sign an agreement

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to only put out government sponsored

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press releases,

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>> government approved or

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>> government approved.

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>> So now you've got very few people inside

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the Pentagon, which is where the

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whistleblowing was happening. in the

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back halls of the Pentagon.

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>> That's crazy. But then you see the

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problem with the Pentagon is you're

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talking about national security. And if

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someone released something like the name

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of an agent that was undercover

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somewhere and something happened, that

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person got killed or compromised or some

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sort of a national security interest,

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you know, was the the whole thing was

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tanked.

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>> Yeah,

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>> that's a the Pentagon's different. I

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mean, I'm not saying that they

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that the press shouldn't have access to

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Pentagon officials. They certainly

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should, but it's like going there is

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kind of different, right?

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>> It's like the FBI just arrested. They

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just had a giant sweep on gangs in this

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country today. They just released that

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they found like

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>> I think it was 10 kilos of drugs. They

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arrested people cartels in in America.

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Yeah.

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>> And so they made a giant arrest today. I

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think they arrested 200. see if you can

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find what that story is. But like

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imagine

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if you were in the FBI office and you

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heard about an imminent attack and you

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printed something like if you're a

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reporter and you're covering the stuff

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and you have access to this information

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somehow and it gets released and these

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guys find out about it and they they

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skate.

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>> They nabbed

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>> Latin Kings

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>> 50 Latin Kings in Operation Broken Crown

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after three months uh sweep. So what is

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the details of it?

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Okay. Last three months, the FBI's

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quietly executed.

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>> Sorry.

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>> Okay. Um this is on X. Uh quietly

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executed Operation Broken Crown, a

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sweeping violent gang takedown involving

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13 field offices targeting the Latin

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Kings gangs members which uh were

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publicly threatening law enforcement

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officers. 50 arrests, $200,000 in seized

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assets, seizure of 10 kilos of illicit

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narcotics.

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Interesting.

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Interesting.

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Well, so like that kind of a situation,

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you can't have access to that

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information before they do it. That has

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to be very tight lipped, you know, but

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there's only a few of those kind of

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scenarios that I can imagine. But when

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it comes to like politicians and

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backdoor deals, like there should be

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live footage of it. It should be

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>> You only found out about the bomb the

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illegal bombings in Cambodia because

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there was a whistleblower inside of the

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Pentagon.

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>> Exactly. Exactly.

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>> So it does You do need some access.

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>> Yeah. But it's like Well, you need

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whistleblowers, right? Right.

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>> But it's like how many pe There's here's

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the thing about like intelligence

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agencies and there's a lot of good

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people that are working there. It's like

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we judge them based on the evil people

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that are probably the ones with the most

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power,

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>> you know.

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>> Yes.

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>> There's probably a lot of like midlevel

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people working at the Pentagon, working

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at the C, working everywhere that are

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good people.

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>> Oh, are you kidding me? These are people

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that have dedicated their lives to

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trying to, you know, I I same way with

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cops. I think you know I got I got three

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good buddies that are cops and they are

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absolutely went into it the same the way

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a social worker goes into it

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>> and then there's evil ones that uh

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>> you know I think it was worse I think I

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think back like you know back in the

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days of like Serpico you see that movie

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like it was literally like the entire

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force was in on it

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>> you know there was [ __ ] legal

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gambling legal drug dealing nobody got

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touched

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>> Yep. Yep. Yeah. They've always done

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that. I mean, that's how they ran the

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mob in Vegas.

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>> Yeah.

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>> The mob ran Vegas with the cops.

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>> Oh, yeah. We're just talking about that

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outside. Like, why was Vegas and

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Atlantic City the only places allowed? I

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don't know why I stupidly asked that.

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Like, Jamie's like, "Cuz of the mob,

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asshole."

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>> [ __ ] [laughter] duh. Well, it was the

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mob and I think Nevada there was also

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see if this is true. Um there was

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supposedly a connection between uh the

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testing of nuclear weapons and then

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allowing the city or the state rather to

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have gambling cuz Nevada was one of the

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rare places where they

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>> like routinely tested nuclear weapons. I

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don't know if you've ever seen the video

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that shows a history of all the atomic

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bombs going off in the United States.

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The video is crazy because it starts

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with the first test. Starts with the

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Trinity test. Starts they do the couple

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in the ocean. What's the matter? What's

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so funny?

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>> Uh just the way this is worded.

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>> What is it?

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>> I asked if there's a connection between

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nuclear test and gambling in Las Vegas.

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And turns out, yeah, they would use it

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as a theme to attract gamblers.

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>> What? [laughter]

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>> Look, come see a bomb.

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>> Yeah. From the early 1950s to the 1960s,

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Las Vegas casinos and tourism promoters

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actively used nearby nuclear weapons

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tests as themed attractions to draw

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gamblers and visitors. Holy [ __ ] man.

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>> Bomb parties.

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>> It's like

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>> Oh my [laughter] god. They had bomb

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parties on the rooftop. They would watch

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They'd stay up gambling, drinking, and

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then stepped outside to watch the blast

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on the horizon.

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>> Wow. With your

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>> atomic cocktail,

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>> dude. It's like how Caesars does

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fireworks now.

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>> They had atomic themed promotions,

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atomic cocktails, atomic hairdos,

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nuclear pinup imagery like Miss Aatomic

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Blast, [laughter]

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slogans like Atomic City USA and Up and

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Adam atom to tie the test directly to

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Vegas nightife and gambling culture.

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Holy [ __ ] man.

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>> I wonder if you could place bets,

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>> dude. I bet your eyebrows sing off. I

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don't know if they had the same thing

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like what they have now with modern

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prediction betting. Prediction betting

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you could bet on pretty much everything.

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>> I just made a bet last night on uh

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>> go back down to where you were stop go

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with the bottom line. In short, nuclear

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weapons tests near Las Vegas were not

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just a backdrop. They were deliberately

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woven into casino marketing, party

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culture, and tourism that supported the

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city's gambling economy. But did it have

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uh the reason like here here's my

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question. Was

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was Nevada allowed to have gambling

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because of them allowing nuclear tests?

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Like was there any sort of an agreement?

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Cuz there's only two states at that time

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that allowed casinos, like real casinos,

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>> right?

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>> And it it seems kind of weird that one

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one of them, you know, New Jerseyy's

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always been [ __ ] corrupt. That's the

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Sopranos.

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like the most mobridden [ __ ] state in

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the country at the time

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>> based in Atlantic City pretty much.

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>> Yeah. I mean, cut the [ __ ] [ __ ]

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>> Atlantic City.

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>> And then Vegas was Bugsy Seagull, right?

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>> Okay. Well, since Nevada legalized most

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forces of gambling in 31. Okay. So, it

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doesn't make any sense because it's

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before that.

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>> So, it's the Great Depression economic

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measure track tours.

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>> So, no. So, that that theory doesn't

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hold up,

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>> right? I didn't know that Vegas was

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started in 31. That's nuts.

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>> So, basically, the Great Depression

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started and then they launched Vegas as

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a as a way to raise money,

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>> which is You have no money. [laughter]

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>> There's no jobs. Why don't you gamble?

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What?

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>> My gamble is going to the food line,

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seeing if I can get a loaf of bread.

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That's my gamble today.

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>> You know what's crazy is that lake keeps

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drying up because they were having a

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drought. They keep finding bodies in the

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lake.

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>> Oh, no [ __ ]

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>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. like like those

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metal barrels with like bodies inside of

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them. They've they found quite a few of

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them. How many bodies have they found?

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Is it Lake Me, I believe.

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>> Yeah. So, as it's drying up, it's at

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like It was I think it's probably picked

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up a little bit, but at one point in

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time was at a historic low. Yeah.

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>> And so, they were finding these [ __ ]

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dead bodies.

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>> I think they found like a half a dozen

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of them. And I think they think there's

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a whole lot more in there.

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>> No [ __ ]

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>> As of last reporting, at least six

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separate discoveries of human remains.

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Yeah. Were made in Lake me in 2022 as

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the water level dropped rep representing

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at least several different individuals.

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Wow. Um, find out that thing where they

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stopped uh searching for guns and

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bodies. I think it was in MacArthur Park

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and why they did that. David Tal back in

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his insomniac days used to hang he hung

17:54

out with some dark [ __ ] in New

17:56

York

17:57

>> and he used to bring this guy in who was

17:59

uh he was a New York City cop and they

18:02

basically said we'll double your pay and

18:04

give you early retirement if you put on

18:06

a frog suit every night and you go out

18:08

into I think it was Flushing Bay one of

18:13

the bays out in Queens which was a

18:15

famous place where the mob was dropping

18:17

bodies and uh the guy would go went to

18:20

the water in a frog suit and he'd wait

18:22

by this bridge and when they drop a body

18:25

he'd [ __ ] call it in. And he did that

18:28

the night shift and he'd finish that and

18:30

he'd come into the comedy cellar at like

18:32

4:00 a.m.

18:32

>> So he'd wait in the ocean in a scuba

18:34

suit and then drop a body.

18:36

>> Yeah.

18:36

>> HOLY [ __ ] THEY WERE dropping that many

18:39

bodies

18:40

>> that you can just wait for.

18:43

[laughter]

18:46

>> That's so crazy.

18:48

Search in MacArthur Park for guns and

18:50

possible bodies was stopped because

18:52

authorities said it was an unpermitted

18:54

and potentially unsafe operation on city

18:57

park property. Uh, okay. So, it was a

19:00

businessman. So, it was a private thing.

19:03

So, that's probably what it was.

19:06

So, officials official reasons given.

19:08

Organizers led by businessman John I

19:11

don't know how to spell his name. A L E.

19:13

How do you say that? Alle

19:15

uh planned to use sonar and remotely

19:18

operated vehicles to look for weapons

19:19

and human remains in the lake. Los

19:21

[snorts] Angeles park rangers halted the

19:23

effort before the sonar entered the

19:25

water, saying the team did not have the

19:27

required permits or clearances.

19:29

Okay. Why didn't you guys do that

19:31

though? If you really think if this guy

19:34

really thinks that there could be bodies

19:36

and guns in the lake, why wouldn't you

19:38

guys search for bodies and guns if

19:40

someone could search for it?

19:41

>> Right? It seems like there's probably a

19:43

lot of people missing, a lot of crimes

19:44

that could be solved, a lot of resources

19:46

that have already been spent on cases.

19:48

You could probably get to the bottom of

19:49

a lot of things. [snorts]

19:51

Uh, Alle, I don't know how to say his

19:54

name, uh, said families of missing

19:56

people, some of whom were last seen near

19:57

MacArthur Park, had reached out to him

19:59

for help, which inspired the idea of a

20:01

large-scale sonar search of the lake.

20:03

There is there's evidence down there for

20:05

crimes, he said. We'll identify it with

20:07

photography, and the city will have to

20:09

extract it. It also could be these are

20:12

homeless people and the government

20:14

doesn't give a [ __ ] Yeah,

20:15

>> they can't swim.

20:16

>> Yeah,

20:17

>> come on. They were kids once.

20:19

>> It's hard to swim when you're on meth.

20:21

[laughter] You get bad cardio.

20:23

>> You know, if one guy says, "This is the

20:24

last day I do meth. Today I get in

20:26

shape." He tries to swim across the lake

20:28

and [ __ ] strokes out in the middle of

20:30

it.

20:30

>> This is my day.

20:33

>> Uh, never gave him. Oh, geez. I'm in

20:35

there. What are they saying about me?

20:36

>> That's just an art. It's an ad.

20:38

>> Oh, it's an ad. That's basic. Yeah,

20:40

that's an ad down at the bottom.

20:41

>> Oh, that I mocked the AI generated. That

20:44

was That was crazy. The AI generated

20:47

photo that MSNB put MSNBC put up of the

20:50

guy who got shot in Minneapolis. They

20:53

changed his appearance.

20:55

>> Alex Prey.

20:56

>> Yes,

20:56

>> they changed his appearance. And we're

20:58

handsome.

20:58

>> Oh, they did. [sighs]

21:00

>> You haven't seen it?

21:01

>> No.

21:01

>> You have to see it. You have to see it.

21:03

It's there. I don't know who's doing

21:05

this.

21:06

>> No. It's almost like like someone from

21:09

the Republican side is like a a secret

21:12

plant at MSNBC because they know that

21:15

stuff like this is going to get caught.

21:16

Look at the difference between the one

21:17

on the left and one on the right.

21:20

>> Well, the nose looks blurry on the one

21:22

on the left.

21:23

>> Well, that's his nose. That's what he

21:24

looks like. It's just a shitty picture.

21:26

But they cleaned the picture up. They

21:27

made his nose smaller. They gave him a

21:29

tan. They made his forehead shorter.

21:31

They made his jaw wider. They made his

21:33

shoulders thicker.

21:35

>> Yeah. They gave him more bicep. They

21:37

made him more handsome. They made his

21:39

neck thicker.

21:42

>> He looks better.

21:42

>> Yep.

21:43

>> The guy on the right looks like a

21:44

good-look guy. The guy on the left

21:45

looks, you know, like Ari's unfortunate

21:47

brother,

21:50

[laughter]

21:51

>> doesn't he?

21:54

[laughter]

21:55

Poor Ari's brother. You I mean, it's so

21:58

funny that Ari comes from this family. I

22:01

mean, he grew up Orthodox Jewish, right?

22:03

>> Oh, yeah. and the things that he has put

22:05

out there um for a family to have to see

22:11

it makes you realize and they love him

22:13

like they accept it and it it's it's all

22:15

about grace and I love Jews because like

22:18

they are very accepting you know as much

22:21

as you might be orthodox I find my my

22:23

wife is half Jewish and there's

22:27

something very open-minded about Jews I

22:30

mean they were the original hippies and

22:32

they were the original communist s in

22:34

America and they were always open to

22:37

different ideas. And I think when I

22:39

think about Ari's family, if they were

22:41

Christian conservative versus Jewish

22:44

conservative, I don't know that they'd

22:46

be as accepting of him.

22:47

>> You know, Ari's dad survived the

22:49

Holocaust.

22:50

>> No [ __ ]

22:51

>> Oh, yeah. Ari's dad has a tattoo.

22:52

>> Damn.

22:53

>> Yeah.

22:54

>> He's very old.

22:55

>> Whoa.

22:56

>> Yeah.

22:58

>> He must be one of the oldest people left

23:00

with a tattoo. I mean,

23:01

>> yeah. He talked to me about having his

23:03

dad on. He asked me if I'd be interested

23:05

in it. If his dad ever wants to do it

23:07

because, you know, he doesn't have much

23:08

time left. And uh I said, "Absolutely."

23:11

And he goes, you know, let me I'm not

23:14

sure if he would be interested in it,

23:15

but if he did, I think it would be

23:16

important to talk about.

23:17

>> I mean, he's got to be over 100 years

23:19

old.

23:19

>> I don't know how old he is. Uh he's old,

23:21

though. Well, how long ago was

23:24

>> You would have to have been born. Oh,

23:26

no. Actually, if he was born in 1935,

23:29

>> I think he's in his 80s. his late 80s.

23:31

>> Okay. Yeah. Yeah. What am I thinking?

23:33

Right. Right. Because they tattooed the

23:35

[ __ ] kids.

23:37

>> Yeah.

23:38

>> Jesus.

23:38

>> Yeah. It's dark. It's horrible. It's so

23:42

crazy, dude. It's It's so crazy that

23:44

that was less than a hundred years ago.

23:46

[sighs]

23:47

>> I know. I know. And uh the Germans like

23:50

that [laughter] [ __ ] Nor McDonald bit

23:53

about how you know Germany is the

23:55

country we really should be afraid of

23:57

like the way they start world wars and

23:59

what they're like it's really [ __ ]

24:02

nuts.

24:02

>> Well they were the barbarians back in

24:04

the day.

24:04

>> Oh right

24:05

>> you know they the I mean we think of now

24:07

as engineers they make BMWs

24:10

>> but back then they were the barbarians

24:11

during the Roman era. The Vikings were

24:14

Scandinavian and then they were fighting

24:16

against the

24:17

>> Bro, the Germans were [ __ ]

24:18

terrifying.

24:19

>> Yeah,

24:19

>> they were terrifying. And they all

24:21

became engineers. [laughter]

24:22

>> They became like brilliant

24:24

>> like very disciplined people which is

24:27

interesting cuz Germany is known for

24:29

that. And but also [ __ ] porn. Remember

24:32

like in the early days of the internet a

24:34

lot of the [ __ ] porn like weird crazy

24:37

like [ __ ] on people. A lot of that

24:39

was come and we were trying to analyze

24:41

it one day and I was like it's probably

24:42

because if you're so buttoned down and

24:45

so disciplined and regimented and

24:47

conservative in your daily life, the way

24:49

you cut loose, it's like you [ __ ] in

24:51

each other's mouths and [ __ ] each other

24:53

in the butt. And like some of the

24:55

craziest [ __ ] porn was coming out of

24:57

Germany. Yeah. This is like late 90s,

25:00

early 2000s when we first started like

25:03

finding weird websites that would, you

25:05

know, you'd be able to find things on.

25:07

>> Oh, no. Before that, I'd go to Sex World

25:09

in New York where you sit in those

25:10

booths and you put in quarters and you

25:12

watch porn and they always had the

25:14

darkest German porn in there.

25:16

>> Really?

25:16

>> Yeah. A lot of animals and [ __ ] And I'm

25:19

like I'm like 15 years old going like

25:21

and and I've got these coins. You go in

25:23

and you give the guy 10 bucks and he

25:25

gives you a handful of coins. Just

25:27

imagine if you put a black light on

25:29

those [ __ ] coins and I got them in my

25:31

hand.

25:32

>> God, just jizz all over those things.

25:33

>> Speeding them into the And

25:35

>> lights are terrifying.

25:36

>> I kept pushing buttons to pick which

25:38

film to watch.

25:39

>> I have a friend who brought a black

25:41

light into a hotel room. He said, "You

25:42

just find jizz on the carpet." No

25:44

kidding. You find jizz on the [ __ ]

25:46

blanket. Sometimes you go to any like go

25:48

to a cheap hotel or a motel. How well do

25:50

you think they're clean those carpets?

25:52

You think they clean the walls? I've

25:54

been in hotels where they put the remote

25:55

control in a baggie for you because that

25:58

they say that's the most No, no, because

26:00

so you don't have to touch the the

26:02

remote and then they change the baggie

26:04

on the remote each time a new guest

26:06

comes in.

26:07

>> So you're supposed to remote through the

26:08

baggie. Yeah.

26:09

>> Who does that?

26:10

>> I take it out of the bag right out.

26:11

Yeah, that's crazy.

26:12

>> Yeah,

26:12

>> that's ridiculous. I'm touching toilet

26:14

seats. I'm touching everything. What are

26:16

we talking about here? [laughter]

26:19

>> I'm also not that afraid to come, you

26:22

know.

26:23

It's going to kill you.

26:24

>> Yeah.

26:24

>> Yeah. I mean, that's just kind of gross.

26:26

But

26:27

>> yeah,

26:27

>> you know, I mean, think about how much

26:29

[ __ ] is on the average person's cell

26:31

phone. Have you ever heard of that?

26:32

>> No.

26:33

>> Yeah. Just touch your cell phone with a

26:35

swab. Like, get a a swab and get get it

26:38

analyzed. You'll find feal matter all

26:40

over your cell phone

26:41

>> because we're scrolling while we're on

26:42

the toilet.

26:42

>> A lot of people are. Yeah. A lot of

26:44

people. And also, you're touching things

26:46

and then you touch your phone. And how

26:48

many people touch their ass then touch a

26:49

thing, a doorork knob, a this and that?

26:51

You're getting fecal matter on

26:53

everything.

26:54

>> Yeah.

26:54

>> Especially if you have a cat.

26:56

>> I used to think about that all the time

26:57

when I had cats. Like the cats are in

26:59

the [ __ ] box. They're scratching around

27:01

there and then they're walking on your

27:02

counter. Yeah.

27:02

>> They're walking. They you know they

27:04

don't give a [ __ ] where they go. They go

27:05

everywhere and you don't care. You're

27:06

like, "Hey buddy." You pet them when

27:08

they're on the counter. You [ __ ] in

27:09

their paws.

27:10

>> Then then he then your dog licks his

27:12

[ __ ] and then licks and then people

27:13

have lick their face.

27:14

>> They lick my face.

27:15

>> Really?

27:16

>> Oh yeah.

27:17

>> No. I let him give me kisses. [laughter]

27:20

Have you seen him lick his [ __ ]

27:22

>> I have

27:23

>> for sure. Especially my puppy. I have a

27:25

little puppy now.

27:26

>> Imagine a black light on your face right

27:28

now.

27:28

>> My puppy goes right. You know, I have a

27:30

little uh

27:31

>> You look like you were in blackface

27:32

>> probably. [laughter] There's a splatter

27:34

like like I'm the Joker.

27:38

>> Also go I have a puppy like a He's a

27:40

King Charles Cavalere. He's a little

27:42

tiny cute. He's so [ __ ] cute. Uh, and

27:45

then I have the golden retriever. And

27:46

the puppy runs right up to the golden

27:48

retriever, sticks his face in his dick,

27:50

and then sticks his face in his [ __ ]

27:52

That's the first thing he does to him

27:54

every time. Face on the dick, face on

27:56

the [ __ ] I'm like, "Bro."

27:58

>> Wow.

27:58

>> What are you doing?

27:59

>> Yeah.

28:00

>> They That's just dogs.

28:02

>> Yeah.

28:02

>> That's what they do.

28:02

>> It's funny how they keep Yeah. I had two

28:04

dogs and they did that. Yeah. Every

28:06

[ __ ] day they sniffed each other

28:07

like, you know, I mean,

28:11

I guess that's how they know if

28:13

something changed. Maybe they know if

28:15

the other dog is sick or if the other

28:17

dog is breeding with another dog. It's

28:20

like kind of checking their emails.

28:22

>> Well, they get so much information from

28:23

smell that we can't even possibly

28:25

process.

28:26

>> They say that a dog can smell a

28:28

cheeseburger. They don't just smell the

28:29

cheeseburger. They smell every

28:31

individual ingredient. They smell the

28:32

mustard. They smell the pickle. They

28:34

smell everything. They smell the

28:35

lettuce.

28:36

>> Yeah. They they smell They smell They

28:39

think that dogs smell anxiety.

28:42

>> They smell like moods. That's why when

28:44

certain people come over your house,

28:44

they're scared of dogs. Dogs get sketchy

28:46

with them. Like, what the [ __ ] up with

28:47

this guy? Like, oh, he doesn't like you.

28:49

Yeah.

28:49

>> Like, it's cuz the person's probably

28:51

nervous. They're giving off a scent,

28:52

>> right? No. My mom, her sister was

28:55

attacked really bad by a dog when they

28:56

were little. So, my mom has this trauma

28:58

about dogs. We had these little [ __ ]

29:01

We had a Shih Tzu and a Lassa Absa.

29:03

They're just little dogs. She was

29:05

terrified. And the dogs would growl at

29:07

her and they didn't growl at anybody.

29:09

>> Oh my god. Yeah. That's crazy.

29:11

>> Yeah.

29:11

>> That's crazy. Yeah, it's they smell

29:14

things. They sense things.

29:16

>> Yeah.

29:16

>> That's why people have them as guards.

29:18

>> I mean, that's their that's how they

29:20

that's how they made it, right?

29:21

>> To be dogs. They were the wolves that

29:23

hung out with us and would let us know

29:25

when something's going down.

29:26

>> Sentinels.

29:27

>> Yeah.

29:28

>> Yeah. That's uh Well, I I have a very

29:30

strong olfactory sense. Like I'm very of

29:34

my five senses, I would put it up there

29:36

at the top. Like I I love perfume.

29:40

>> Really?

29:40

>> I love perfume. I don't like when women

29:43

wear too much of it and then they hug

29:44

you at the comedy store and then you go

29:46

home and you smell like [ __ ]

29:47

[laughter] perfume. You're like, "Honey,

29:49

it's just Whitney Cummings has this new

29:50

[screaming] Chanel." [laughter]

29:54

But like sometimes I'll be I'll walk

29:56

I'll I'll be sitting somewhere and I'll

29:58

smell some nice perfume and I'll [ __ ]

30:00

whip my head around. It's like some

30:02

81year-old woman hunched over and you're

30:04

like, "Oh." They wear that old ladies,

30:08

no matter how old they are, they'll

30:09

still put on the makeup. They'll still

30:10

put on the perfume. done.

30:12

>> Let it out. [laughter]

30:14

Time to go out and see go fishing. See

30:17

if this old bait can catch a bass.

30:19

>> Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah. There's this

30:22

bar up at my uh where my mom lives in in

30:25

Florida and there's this bar and it's

30:27

like a famous cougar bar [laughter] and

30:30

it's all these rich women who's cuz you

30:33

know men die faster,

30:34

>> right? It's like it's impossible for a

30:36

woman in Florida who's in her 70s to

30:39

find a guy who's, you know, anywhere

30:42

near her age. She's got to date a guy in

30:44

his late 80s if she's in her 70s.

30:45

>> Wow.

30:46

>> And so these women go to this bar and

30:48

they are, like you said, they're wearing

30:49

so a lot of leopards, a lot of leopard

30:51

print.

30:52

>> Yeah. They're letting you know

30:54

>> that stiletto heels. It's like stiletto

30:56

heels, but the the toes are all twisted

30:59

and mangled.

31:00

>> My wife [laughter] has been watching

31:01

this horrible show that's on Netflix.

31:04

It's like uh one of those housewife

31:06

shows, but it's all West Palm Beach

31:08

ladies. It's all these like rich ladies

31:11

with plastic surgery.

31:13

>> Palm Beach, not West Palm. Palm Beach.

31:14

That's right. Palm Beach ladies with Is

31:17

Palm Beach the rich area? Yeah. Is West

31:19

Palm like the more moderate area?

31:20

>> No. No, it's poor.

31:21

>> It's poor West Palm Beach.

31:22

>> I mean, well, it has it has good

31:24

sections, but it has with the people

31:26

that work on Palm Beach cleaning the

31:29

houses live in West Palm Beach.

31:31

>> Oh, I see. I see. Because there's

31:32

basically Palm Beach is a bridge to get

31:34

to Do you know the history of Palm

31:36

Beach?

31:36

>> No.

31:37

>> They built

31:38

>> I do. Yeah, but go ahead.

31:39

>> They created it. It was like a sandbar

31:41

that they built up and then they hired

31:44

they didn't hire they hired a bunch of

31:46

black people to come on the island and

31:48

build all the houses, the

31:50

infrastructure.

31:50

>> Black people.

31:51

>> I don't know.

31:54

I

31:54

>> mean, for sure they only hired black

31:56

people.

31:56

>> I mean, look it up, Jamie. But like all

31:59

I know is there was a lot of black

32:00

people doing the building. They finished

32:02

it and then the island held a big party

32:05

for the black people on the end of the

32:06

island to celebrate and then they

32:08

torched all their houses

32:10

>> and forced them off the island. Yeah.

32:11

That's the history of Palm Beach.

32:13

>> They torched their houses.

32:14

>> Torched the houses

32:15

>> after they were done building the

32:16

mansions.

32:16

>> Yes.

32:19

>> Yeah.

32:20

>> And it's the probably the wealthiest

32:22

piece of real estate in the country

32:24

right now.

32:25

>> How many people are [ __ ] evil?

32:27

[laughter]

32:28

That's so imagine a guy built your

32:30

house. He's at home with his kid

32:33

>> having a, you know, wow, what a great

32:35

job I got.

32:36

>> Yeah.

32:36

>> You know,

32:37

>> and then I get to start here beautiful

32:39

to live in this place. I helped build

32:41

these beautiful mansions that we

32:42

>> People are going to love me because I

32:43

helped them create a life.

32:45

>> Oh my god. And they lit their [ __ ]

32:47

houses on fire. Pull up that story. I

32:49

need to hear about that. That's crazy.

32:51

>> But these ladies are just monsters. This

32:54

is it's just all like the social status.

32:59

It's all like who's got the most money.

33:01

Like they don't even know how much money

33:02

I have, you know? Like I'm a

33:04

millionaire.

33:05

>> And they have these clubs. My my

33:06

friend's father lives there and he

33:08

belongs to a club.

33:09

>> Oh, you got to belong to

33:10

>> And he he worked for I won't say who the

33:12

person was, but a very famous Jewish

33:14

family. And he uh she went to lunch one

33:19

day at one of these clubs that didn't

33:21

allow Jews. And the waiter

33:23

>> clubs still don't allow Jews.

33:25

>> No, this is going back 20 years at the

33:27

most.

33:28

>> Only 20 years ago.

33:29

>> 20 years ago.

33:29

>> So in 2006,

33:32

2006 probably those clubs. Yeah. Well,

33:35

you know the where the ma Augusta where

33:38

they play the Masters only started

33:40

allowing black members in like the 80s.

33:42

Remember Tiger Woods was playing there

33:44

and he got [ __ ] because he was a black

33:46

playing at a club where they didn't

33:47

allow black people.

33:49

>> Really?

33:50

>> And they said, "How could you do that?"

33:51

Yeah. Tiger Woods lifetime.

33:54

>> Wow.

33:55

>> Yeah.

33:55

>> Wow.

33:56

>> So anyway, so this Jewish woman goes to

33:58

the club. The waiter wouldn't come over

33:59

to the table. And finally the member

34:01

went over and goes, "What's going? We

34:03

can't we can't serve can't serve her.

34:08

>> How' they even know she was Jewish?"

34:10

>> She's famous.

34:11

>> Oh, yeah.

34:12

>> I think I can say who it is. It was

34:14

Estee Lauder's wife.

34:16

>> Wow.

34:17

>> Wow.

34:18

>> Or was Este Estee Lauder the woman?

34:20

>> Yeah. I don't know.

34:20

>> Estee Lauder is the the woman. It was

34:23

her.

34:23

>> Wow.

34:24

>> One of the richest women in the country.

34:26

>> Wow.

34:26

>> We can't we can't serve her because of

34:29

her religion.

34:30

>> Yeah.

34:30

>> Wow.

34:31

>> Yeah.

34:32

>> Wow. And that was 2006.

34:35

>> Hey, the country clubs, you know, the

34:37

the rule on it was Well, look, the

34:39

friars club.

34:39

>> We need to make sure that's true.

34:42

>> That the Estee Lauder one. I definitely

34:43

want to find out about the blood

34:45

burning.

34:45

>> Well, the Estee Lauder is personal

34:47

information. I don't know that that

34:48

that's not published anywhere.

34:49

>> All right. forget about that then.

34:50

>> But uh but no, segregation in clubs,

34:53

private clubs used to get away with that

34:54

until I was a member of the Friars Club

34:57

in New York and they did not allow

35:00

female members until I was there in

35:04

it was the late mid 90s before the

35:07

Friars Club allowed female members. And

35:09

the reason was legally you can't have a

35:12

club exclude people if you can prove

35:14

business is being done there. uh

35:16

>> if there's commerce,

35:18

>> if there's no business, you can let in

35:20

whoever you want,

35:21

>> right?

35:21

>> So, that's how they got female members

35:23

in there. And I think they probably I

35:25

mean, obviously, business is being done

35:26

at golf clubs.

35:27

>> Well, business is definitely being done

35:28

at the Friars Club.

35:30

>> I mean, a lot of deals probably got made

35:31

there. A lot of ideas got hatched.

35:35

>> Oh, yeah.

35:35

>> Yeah. I mean, all these comics, all

35:38

agent, it was agents and comics.

35:39

>> I remember you used to love that place,

35:41

>> dude. It was so [ __ ]

35:42

>> You always tell me about it. I It was so

35:43

unappealing to me.

35:45

It was a it was a clubhouse for

35:47

comedians. We used to go there. They had

35:49

pool they had two beautiful pool tables.

35:51

I played on the Ferrari Club pool team

35:53

and my and we used to play against other

35:56

clubs in the city. All the other private

35:58

clubs. Paul Cervino was my partner in

36:01

pool.

36:01

>> Paul Cervino could play.

36:02

>> He was good.

36:03

>> He was good. He was like a he could run

36:05

100 balls in straight pool. He was a

36:07

like a legit like highle player. So he

36:10

carried me, but we used to play all the

36:12

clubs and then you know and then you get

36:14

they got a nice gym with the best steam

36:16

room in the city and then they got these

36:18

lazy boys. You work out, you take a

36:20

[ __ ] steam and you send a lazy boy

36:22

and you read the newspaper and then they

36:24

got a dining room downstairs where Henny

36:26

Youngman is at one table Allan Kings at

36:28

the you know and these guys like those

36:30

old those old Borisbell comics they

36:33

lived to make you laugh. It's not like

36:36

comedians today. So many of them are

36:37

dark and quiet and disturbed. These guys

36:41

[ __ ] [laughter] told jokes and they

36:43

roasted you and they hugged you and it

36:46

was like it was like a part of being on

36:49

stage almost, you know, it was expected,

36:51

>> right? They probably all felt real

36:53

comfortable in this, you know, comics

36:55

only club too,

36:57

>> right?

36:57

>> Folklore surrounding the sticks of Palm

37:00

Beach. So that's what it is.

37:01

>> That's the area what they called it.

37:02

>> So, um,

37:04

>> go to the top of that, please. Well,

37:05

right there, uh, at turn of 20th

37:07

century's employment boom of

37:09

unprecedented proportions in South

37:10

Florida, the hiring of thousands of

37:12

black laborers to extend Henry Flagler's

37:14

Florida East Coast Railroad. Oh, this is

37:16

the East Coast Railroad.

37:19

Um, these laborers played a key role in

37:21

the development of the early Palm Beach.

37:23

Also helped to build the Royal Pointiana

37:28

Hotel, Flaggler's White Hall residence,

37:31

which is today known as the Henry

37:32

Flaggler Museum.

37:35

Uh laborers and their families settled

37:37

in Palm Beach Island between North

37:38

County Road and Sunrise Avenue. This

37:40

area of shanties and tent-like homes

37:43

soon became known as the sticks. Many of

37:46

those descendants still live in the area

37:48

today. So what happened? Does it say

37:51

what happened?

37:54

>> Okay. Along came a fellow named Henley

37:56

Flagler who decided he needed that land

37:59

to build on to develop. Little said, and

38:01

he threw a party for all the blacks on

38:03

the island. And they all went over to

38:06

the party. And while they were

38:08

celebrating and enjoying themselves,

38:10

their homes on the island of the town of

38:12

Palm Beach burned down mysteriously.

38:15

Holy [ __ ] dude.

38:17

>> Yeah. From what I heard, McCrae said he

38:21

got with the residents and set up a

38:22

party on West Palm Beach side and had

38:24

everybody fed over to the party and then

38:26

had a mob of people to burn up people's

38:28

homes and shanties and tents all over

38:30

the sticks and forced them out of there

38:32

and took the land. How many people died?

38:34

>> Uh there I don't know how many people

38:35

died. It says they were all gone. So

38:37

there's around

38:37

>> Right. But what about their kids?

38:39

>> Around 200 people live in that area is

38:40

what it said.

38:41

>> Oh my god.

38:42

>> And then this is the problem. When I was

38:44

looking it up on Wikipedia, this is

38:46

basically what I read. Okay. Palm Beach

38:48

Historical Society version is very

38:50

different. Published text only says that

38:52

by 1912 the this tenants of the sticks

38:55

had been evicted. Well, that doesn't

38:58

mean anything. They could have still

38:59

been there, especially

39:00

>> flag threw some money at the Palm Beach

39:02

Historical Society.

39:03

>> Yeah, of course. Right. No mention of a

39:05

fire, any record of large-scale

39:07

homelessness that would have followed

39:08

such a devastating blaze. Everly Clark

39:10

believes his version is the most

39:12

accurate. The sticks was actually

39:14

legislated out of existence. They

39:16

claimed there was a fire and Flaggler

39:18

had the people come to circus and all

39:19

that, but that's not true. Still, more

39:21

than a century later, the urban legend

39:23

remains strong and the pulse of public

39:26

opinion split. There are so many

39:29

historical facts that make some of the

39:30

scurless removal of the residents

39:32

believable that it's become lore for the

39:34

most part in the black community. All

39:36

right. Well, let's find out if there's a

39:37

historical record of the fires.

39:39

>> That's this is all I could get to was

39:42

this is a local news. And what year was

39:44

this supposedly?

39:45

>> Like 1920 1912.

39:48

>> Yeah, I bet they did. I think

39:49

>> I mean, look what they did in uh uh

39:52

Tulsa, Oklahoma,

39:54

>> right?

39:55

>> You know, this is this was part of the

39:56

playbook,

39:57

>> right? Well, look what they did with the

39:58

Tuskegee experiment,

40:00

>> right?

40:00

>> Look at that. Like, how about that? They

40:02

they knowingly had all these people with

40:05

syphilis and didn't treat them just to

40:07

study them to see what would happen to

40:09

them. Yeah.

40:09

>> Did they give people syphilis or did

40:11

they just treat them for syphilis? I

40:13

don't know.

40:13

>> Whatever it was, they let these [ __ ]

40:15

people rot and die. And syphilis is a

40:17

[ __ ] horrible disease.

40:18

>> Tell me about it.

40:20

>> Did you get it? [laughter]

40:22

>> Do you know the story about syphilis and

40:24

wigs?

40:25

>> No.

40:25

>> You don't know that?

40:26

>> No.

40:26

>> All those dudes in like uh the ancient

40:29

times that had the big wigs, that was to

40:30

cover up their hair loss from syphilis.

40:32

>> Dude, how did not everybody have it?

40:35

>> Well, they all had wigs. They all had it

40:37

back then. In high society, first of

40:39

all, those people were basically like

40:41

Game of Thrones. They were all just

40:43

[ __ ] freaks banging each other. You

40:45

know, French French society has always

40:47

been like very loose sexually.

40:49

>> And so these two uh royals, were they

40:52

brothers or cousins?

40:54

>> They were brothers and double checking.

40:56

>> So these guys get syphilis, their hair

40:59

falls out, right? You get holes in your

41:00

face and [ __ ] and they're still [ __ ]

41:01

everybody, right? And so they got wigs

41:04

made and the more money you had, the

41:07

more elaborate and big your wig was.

41:10

That's why rich people are bigwigs.

41:13

>> No.

41:14

>> Yes.

41:15

>> I love it.

41:16

>> Isn't that crazy?

41:17

>> Wow.

41:18

>> Crazy. That term that we always used

41:20

when we were kids. Oh, he's a big wig.

41:22

>> Yeah.

41:24

>> That's like ancient. [laughter]

41:26

That goes back to the 1400s.

41:28

>> That's like something you would hear on

41:30

that guy Cody Tucker's feed.

41:33

>> I love that guy.

41:33

>> I'm doing his podcast. Oh, he's online.

41:35

He's He's great. He's great. Very smart

41:37

guy. Yeah. Here's what's interesting.

41:40

There's real there's a strong connection

41:44

between the syphilis that evolved in

41:46

North America and the syphilis that

41:49

these guys had in Europe. Like there's

41:50

always been syphilis, but syphilis had

41:54

an outbreak in Europe after people came

41:57

to North America, probably [ __ ] a

42:00

bunch of Native Americans, and then went

42:02

back to Europe with these [ __ ]

42:03

diseases,

42:04

>> and then it mutated.

42:05

>> It's a different kind of syphilis.

42:07

>> Wow. Oh yeah,

42:08

>> they were cousins. It turns out

42:09

>> they were cousins. Yeah, that's what I

42:10

thought.

42:11

>> And his cousin,

42:12

>> this is a story. They were commonly used

42:13

to cover up hair loss,

42:16

but their use did not become widespread

42:18

until two kings started to lose their

42:20

hair. [laughter]

42:21

King Louis the 14th of France

42:24

experienced hair loss at the age of 17,

42:26

then hired 48 wig makers,

42:28

>> 48

42:28

>> to help combat his thinning locks. So,

42:31

[laughter] a lot of these guys wound up

42:33

getting syphilis and there was, you

42:35

know, normal hair loss on top of it.

42:38

Both conditions being sypholytic

42:40

signals.

42:42

Everybody had syphilis back then, man.

42:44

There's I mean, they probably didn't

42:45

wear condoms. They're probably all

42:47

freaks. They're probably doing

42:49

>> Yes.

42:50

>> I mean, that's what you did when you

42:51

were a wealthy guy. You went to the wh

42:54

house all the time. Then you came home

42:55

and you gave it to your wife. Then she

42:57

had a baby and a lot depending on the

42:58

disease, babies are born with the

43:00

sexually transmitted disease that you

43:02

gave your wife,

43:03

>> right? And that's what the crazy thing

43:05

about the Epstein leaks today. The the

43:06

the one email that he had

43:09

>> and we're here

43:10

>> that said that [laughter]

43:11

that said that Bill Gates wanted to get

43:14

from him antibiotics to give to Melinda

43:17

because he got syphilis or he got

43:19

something the clap, chlamyia, whatever

43:22

he got. He got some sort of an STD from

43:24

a prostitute. Do you think if she could

43:26

have the choice between getting the what

43:28

did she get $50 billion or not getting

43:31

the syphilis which

43:32

>> well whatever she got I bet it wasn't

43:34

syphilis. It was probably the clap. It

43:36

was probably chlamydia or something like

43:37

that.

43:37

>> That's no big deal.

43:38

>> But if if

43:40

who knows if that's true though here's

43:41

the thing like Epstein clearly was some

43:45

sort of a black mailer and this is an

43:48

email that Epstein wrote so it could be

43:51

complete fiction. Epstein could have

43:53

wrote that just to put pressure on Bill

43:55

Gates for some [ __ ] business deal.

43:57

Like, who [ __ ] knows? He could have

43:59

spread rumors and then said [snorts]

44:01

that he'll squash those rumors. These

44:02

guys are dealing in deception and

44:05

blackmail and so you can't like

44:08

>> assume that it's true.

44:09

>> Think about how many relationships

44:13

Epstein had and that he was working

44:15

almost every one of them leveraging.

44:19

>> He was kind of brilliant. Well, he was

44:21

really good at that. Yeah.

44:23

>> That one thing. You know, guy could have

44:24

cured cancer if he went into that

44:26

business.

44:27

>> Well, he was into science. Yeah.

44:29

>> Well, he was also into compromising

44:31

scientists, right? Like, let's say that

44:33

you want to get a drug passed, right?

44:35

And you want FDA approval of this drug,

44:37

but it's some sort of a competing drug.

44:39

Well, you have a bunch of scientists on

44:40

your side, and these scientists can go

44:42

attack that competing drug.

44:44

>> And then all of a sudden, well, you have

44:46

this guy, he comes from MIT, and he says

44:48

this, you're like, oh. And then the FDA

44:51

listens to him. I mean, it's very

44:52

important to have the leverage of

44:54

respected academics,

44:56

>> right?

44:56

>> You know, Epstein with a smiley emoji

44:59

asks asked former Israeli PM

45:02

>> Ehad Barack, that is how you say his

45:04

name, Barack, to clarify he does not

45:08

work for the MSAD in a meeting with a

45:10

senior Qatari investment official.

45:14

>> So, the quick thread starts at the

45:15

bottom and goes up.

45:16

>> Oh, okay. Hi. Are you going to be in

45:19

London on Thursday? Best EB?

45:22

>> Right.

45:22

>> You Oh, unfortunately not. You should

45:25

make clear that I don't work for MSAD.

45:27

Smiley face.

45:28

>> Oh,

45:28

>> you or I. Question mark. That I don't

45:31

smiley face.

45:31

>> Yeah, he doesn't work for him. He just

45:33

He just volunteers for them

45:35

>> with a smiley smiley face emojis are

45:37

hilarious. [laughter]

45:39

[ __ ] evil [ __ ] using smiley

45:43

face emojis. [laughter]

45:44

That's hilarious.

45:46

>> Right. Right.

45:47

That's so funny,

45:48

>> dude. There's this really good show

45:49

about MSAD called Tran. Have you heard

45:51

of that?

45:52

>> No. Oh, I have to watch it though. Is it

45:55

good?

45:55

>> It's really good. I mean, it's a really

45:57

good look inside of what goes on in Iran

46:00

in terms of

46:01

>> I mean, the Israelis are [ __ ]

46:03

brilliant. The infiltration that they

46:04

did in

46:05

>> No one's like them. They're the best.

46:07

>> Yeah,

46:07

>> they're the best at that. Well, they

46:08

have to be, right? This is them. This

46:11

table is people who hate them.

46:13

>> Yeah. Right. Right.

46:14

>> You got to become a bad [ __ ]

46:16

Your your neighbors don't want you dead.

46:18

>> Those pagers going off in Lebanon, that

46:20

was a that was a long play.

46:22

>> Months. That was months and months.

46:23

>> Years.

46:24

>> Was it years?

46:25

>> Years.

46:26

>> Wow.

46:27

>> Yes.

46:28

>> Wow. Crazy. They're like the pages right

46:31

next to your [ __ ]

46:32

>> Blow your dick off. You blow a hole

46:34

through your pelvis apparently. That's

46:35

how you die.

46:37

>> And you're isolating your enemy. You're

46:39

not There's no civilian casualties.

46:42

>> Well, I bet they probably got some kids.

46:43

But low low percentage versus bombing a

46:46

building or something

46:47

>> which they did do.

46:49

>> Yeah.

46:49

>> Yeah. They did some of that like the

46:52

guys in the building.

46:53

>> I was on

46:54

>> level the building.

46:54

>> I was on Good Day LA one time. You know,

46:57

it's all those like pretty women.

46:58

They're actually really sharp. They're

46:59

great.

47:00

>> And uh and I go uh there's they said,

47:03

"Oh, you came alone." I go, "No, my my

47:05

agent's supposed to be here any minute.

47:06

He's Lebanese. I just paged him before I

47:09

got here, but I haven't heard anything

47:10

back." And they [ __ ] [laughter] They

47:12

were like, "Whoa, it just happened like

47:15

three days before.

47:18

[laughter]

47:19

>> Didn't we just not we didn't Israel just

47:21

bomb Lebanon today?"

47:23

>> Oh, really?

47:24

>> I believe so. Yeah. At least according

47:26

to Twitter.

47:27

>> Well, what's going on in Iran? I heard

47:29

things are heating up over there.

47:30

>> Well, Trump just said they're sending

47:32

ships in that area. And he said, but he

47:34

also said Iran wants to make a deal. So

47:38

maybe he's trying to put pressure on

47:39

them to make a deal. Yeah. And you know,

47:42

hopefully nothing happens

47:43

>> in terms of like military intervention.

47:46

It's scary [ __ ] dude. Cuz they have

47:48

nuclear weapons or they have the

47:50

potential to eventually have nuclear

47:51

weapons, but you know, I don't know. Did

47:54

Israel bomb?

47:56

>> I'm checking on

47:59

it. Yeah, there was uh some image that

48:02

showed like some [ __ ] huge explosion.

48:06

It said Israel just bombed Lebanon.

48:11

>> They definitely have recently

48:13

>> seen something about air strikes late

48:16

Friday. Oh, I guess it'd be late there,

48:18

right? Yeah,

48:19

>> it's night time over there.

48:21

>> Maybe. Yeah.

48:23

>> No, there's not. I mean, it's If it is,

48:25

it's like it's just breaking. It's sort

48:26

of just hitting the news. Here's some

48:28

stuff. Well, the thing is like there

48:30

are, you know, there it is

48:32

>> two hours ago.

48:33

>> Israel bombs Lebanon. Yeah,

48:34

>> but it's like the only thing I'm seeing

48:36

about it, which is

48:37

>> Well, [snorts]

48:37

>> that doesn't usually happen.

48:38

>> It's probably all just coming out,

48:40

right?

48:40

>> No, I mean, would you type in that on

48:43

>> That's all you see is that one. So, that

48:44

might not be true. Click on that link.

48:45

See if anybody's disputing it.

48:47

>> Uh,

48:48

>> click on that tweet.

48:49

>> Only got 15 responses.

48:52

>> Is this true, Grock? Click on that.

48:56

Yes, multiple sources indicate uh report

48:59

Israeli air air strikes in southern

49:00

Lebanon on January 30th. Uh targeting

49:03

Hezbollah IDF compl uh confirmed a wave

49:06

of strikes. Lebanese media noted the

49:08

drone hit in say that word.

49:12

How do you say that word?

49:13

>> Sidikiniken

49:15

killing one times of Israel and Sarak

49:18

news for details.

49:19

>> Huh? Shaf Shaf, whatever you say that

49:22

is. News for details. And

49:24

>> we're so [ __ ] lucky, man. We got no

49:26

neighbors. Nobody's launching.

49:27

>> Well, we're in a good spot

49:29

geographically. Be separated by oceans

49:31

on both sides is [ __ ]

49:33

>> nice. Which is why we should be really

49:35

good friends with Canada. Like, what the

49:36

[ __ ] going on?

49:37

>> Trump ruined that whole thing, man.

49:39

Because if he didn't talk about turning

49:40

Canada into the 51st state, the

49:42

Conservatives were going to win. Pierre

49:44

Pvette would have taken over. It would

49:46

have been like they would have like

49:47

eased a lot of the restrictions, made it

49:49

a lot more common sense.

49:50

>> Dude, China was just up there. They just

49:52

made a huge deal to get all their cars

49:55

from China now.

49:56

>> We're not going to sell any American

49:58

cars in Canada.

49:59

>> You know, it's a real problem because

50:01

China has some [ __ ] amazing cars.

50:04

Amazing cars now.

50:05

>> Y

50:06

>> bro, they're not [ __ ] around. Their

50:07

electric vehicles are top of the food

50:10

chain, man. Tesla just yesterday. They

50:13

just uh stopped the Model X uh Model S

50:16

and X production.

50:17

>> I saw that.

50:19

>> Apparently Elon is this Optimus robot is

50:24

going to change the world.

50:25

>> Yeah.

50:25

>> Everybody that I know that's seen it,

50:27

when this thing integrates with AI,

50:30

you're going to have a [ __ ] dude in

50:32

your house. You're going to have a super

50:35

genius robot dude in your house.

50:38

>> What does he look like? M looks like I

50:41

robot and he's going to be able to do

50:42

whatever the [ __ ] you need him to do. Go

50:43

dig a ditch. Go do this. Take out the

50:45

garbage.

50:45

>> You know what's [ __ ] great is for old

50:47

people that live alone.

50:49

>> 100%.

50:49

>> They know everything about your life.

50:51

They could actually hold a conversation

50:53

with you. Yes.

50:54

>> Show pictures of your [ __ ] grandkids

50:56

on their chest while they know your

50:58

interest. Ask you memories. All All

51:01

people want to do is talk about, you

51:03

know, memories and they're going to

51:04

listen.

51:05

>> Yeah. They'll talk to you. Yeah. Not

51:07

only that, they'll confirm all of your

51:09

delusions. Tesla [laughter] to build 1

51:12

million Optimus robots per year at

51:14

Fremont factory. 1 million a year.

51:17

>> I was hearing we need these robots

51:19

because they're going to terraform the

51:21

moon and Mars. Like, we're not going to

51:22

do it. The robots are going to do it.

51:24

>> I I don't think anybody's going to Mars.

51:26

Not in our lifetime. I think that's all

51:30

the future.

51:30

>> It's a little chilly up there.

51:32

>> It's not just that. It's just like no

51:34

one's going to want to do it. You'd have

51:35

only suicidal people want to go.

51:37

>> It's a one-way trip.

51:38

>> Yeah. Well, you can get back. You can

51:40

get back. It used to be a one-way trip.

51:41

Now they figured out you can get back.

51:43

>> Oh, really?

51:43

>> Yeah. But you have to wait six months.

51:45

>> Yeah.

51:45

>> You get back like every six month.

51:46

That's that movie The Martian.

51:47

>> Plus, the flight's going to be delayed,

51:49

>> right?

51:50

>> Yeah.

51:50

>> Or hope you just hope it doesn't get hit

51:52

with a micromedor while it's out in

51:53

space.

51:54

>> Uhhuh.

51:54

>> Like all kinds of weird [ __ ] can happen.

51:56

You got

51:56

>> a micrometeor.

51:57

>> Micrometeors.

51:59

Tiny ones are flying around that just

52:01

punch holes through everything. Uh,

52:03

>> they're going like 170,000 mph and they

52:05

just go whipping through the building.

52:06

>> How much junk is there in space right

52:09

now in terms of like satellites that

52:11

just crapped out?

52:13

>> Well, just if you ever looked at the

52:14

amount of satellites that surround the

52:16

Earth.

52:16

>> Yeah.

52:16

>> It's [ __ ] bananas. Yeah.

52:18

>> It's nuts. And then there's

52:20

>> And there's no plan for when they

52:21

expire, right? They just stay up there.

52:24

>> Well, some of them they lose their

52:25

orbit. Their orbit decays and then they

52:27

come crashing down to the Earth.

52:29

>> Uhhuh.

52:29

>> Yeah, that happens. And you know, they

52:31

have to figure out where they're going

52:32

to hit, you know, and hopefully they

52:34

don't hit the middle of [ __ ] you

52:37

know, Dooldorf.

52:39

You know what [laughter] I mean? Like it

52:40

could hit a major city.

52:41

>> That's such a funny city to say.

52:43

Delledorf.

52:45

>> I mean, it could, you know, you got a

52:47

[ __ ] satellite down there. It could

52:49

land right on your face.

52:50

>> Yeah. That's wild.

52:52

>> Yeah. Yeah.

52:55

I went um to SpaceX for the launch of

53:00

the last rocket. I watched the launch.

53:02

>> Jamie did too. We were right there. Uh

53:04

and uh I went into the control room with

53:07

Elon and watched the entire journey

53:10

while it was flying over the Earth and

53:13

it lands. It touched down in Australia

53:15

in the ocean.

53:16

>> Wow.

53:16

>> 35 minutes later.

53:18

>> It was really It was nuts. So it breaks

53:21

through the atmosphere, travels, and

53:23

then comes straight down space

53:26

>> goes and you get to watch because they

53:28

have like 20 [ __ ] cameras on the

53:30

thing the entire time live streaming

53:32

through Starlink.

53:33

>> So you're live streaming the interior.

53:35

They're monitoring the pressure of the

53:37

cabin. They're monitoring all these

53:38

different things. And so the this is the

53:40

way they they test tolerances. It's like

53:43

when a lot of people say, "Oh, his

53:44

rockets blow up. He's a dumbass." They

53:46

want the rockets to blow up. Like they

53:48

have to find out like what makes the

53:49

rocket blow up. Like how much pressure

53:51

can you put? How thin do the walls have

53:53

to how reinforced do things have to be?

53:55

You know, and then they make

53:56

adjustments.

53:57

>> They make adjustments. That's what they

53:58

do. Like so they've

54:00

>> they've calculated in a certain amount

54:02

of failures that they expect to have.

54:05

>> Yeah.

54:05

>> And this one actually had a failure but

54:07

still landed.

54:08

>> So that's going to be the new first

54:10

class is going to Australia in 35

54:13

minutes.

54:15

>> Wow.

54:17

Boom.

54:17

>> That's crazy.

54:18

>> Nuts.

54:20

>> 35 minutes. Touchdown the ocean.

54:22

>> But a pretty intense ride, I would

54:23

imagine. I mean, that's not a smooth

54:25

ride.

54:25

>> They touched down in an exact spot where

54:27

they had boats ready. They had cameras

54:30

filming it.

54:31

>> They they filmed the entire touchdown.

54:33

>> Does it have to be over the ocean or are

54:35

they can they land on land?

54:36

>> Well, his rockets can now land on land.

54:39

You've seen how that that thing comes

54:40

down and lands on the ground, which is

54:42

bananas. And then they stop landing them

54:45

on the ground. Now they catch them with

54:46

arms. It's even more efficient. You've

54:49

seen that, right?

54:49

>> Well, cuz NASA was wasting so much money

54:52

cuz every single rocket was ruined when

54:54

it came back.

54:55

>> Well, you know what's crazy? NASA is

54:58

about to launch the Aremis mission and

55:01

no one's talking about it.

55:02

>> Where is that going?

55:03

>> Is they're sending people around the

55:05

moon

55:06

>> and having them come back to Earth and

55:08

you hear nothing about it.

55:09

>> Like, have you heard about it?

55:11

>> No.

55:11

>> Me neither. You know how I found out

55:13

about it? Somebody asked me at the club,

55:15

some guy in the audience said, "What do

55:16

you think about the Aremis mission?" I

55:17

go, "What is it?" He's like, "NASA's got

55:19

a a mission that they're flying people

55:21

around the moon." I'm like, "When?" He's

55:24

like, "February." I'm like, "Come on,

55:26

really?"

55:26

>> Well, what's the mission? What are they

55:28

trying to do?

55:29

>> I don't know. Let's find out.

55:31

>> Artemis,

55:32

>> they're not landing on the moon.

55:33

>> Not this time.

55:34

>> Okay.

55:34

>> No, this time I think they're just

55:36

flying.

55:36

>> Isn't it weird? Have we landed on the

55:38

moon since the 60s?

55:39

>> If we ever did in the first place. No.

55:42

ifious the first place. Yeah, I don't

55:44

know if we did.

55:45

>> I don't know if we did either.

55:46

>> I don't I used to believe it before co

55:48

No, I didn't. I didn't believe it for a

55:50

long time and then I said, I'm probably

55:51

wrong. I don't know what I'm talking

55:53

about. Let me just leave it alone. And

55:54

then I I got back into it again and I

55:56

was like, but it doesn't make any sense.

55:58

It doesn't make any sense that these

56:00

guys went like Neil Armstrong basically

56:02

went into hiding. And then at the 25th

56:04

anniversary of the launch, he gave the

56:05

most cryptic speech for this team of uh

56:08

high school graduates, like these honor

56:10

students. Yeah,

56:11

>> you should see the speech cuz the speech

56:12

is nuts.

56:14

>> And then I went back and watched the

56:16

post-flight press conference when they

56:18

supposedly landed after they landed on

56:19

the moon and came back home.

56:21

>> It's like a hostage video. It is the the

56:24

weirdest behavior. They seem like

56:26

they're There's a guy who's a uh body

56:28

language expert. He's like, "These guys

56:30

are all being deceptive." He he analyzed

56:32

it on YouTube and he's like, "This guy

56:34

what he's doing here, like this guy's

56:36

being deceptive. This is clear deceptive

56:38

behavior." I mean, I've checked it so

56:40

many times online and everybody said

56:42

it's been refused. But my whole thing is

56:45

like,

56:45

>> but it has

56:46

>> it was 1969. I had a 69 Chevy and I used

56:49

to drive it from Boston to New York and

56:51

it would break down about half the time.

56:53

[laughter]

56:56

>> Yeah, but that's different. That's

56:57

different,

56:58

>> is it? Yeah.

56:59

>> It's still a [ __ ] It was a gas

57:00

powered engine,

57:01

>> right? But it could go one If you had to

57:03

take one trip with it, it would make it.

57:05

They were just not that good over time,

57:07

you know? I mean, how much they weren't

57:08

that reliable?

57:09

>> What was the equivalent

57:11

uh computing power that they had on that

57:14

Apollo that we would have? Is it our

57:17

phone?

57:17

>> Your phone is way more powerful. Way

57:19

more powerful than a room of

57:20

supercomputers. However, it doesn't take

57:24

like immense computing power once you've

57:26

got the calculations and you understand

57:28

the trajectory and that you're going to

57:30

use the gravity of the moon. You're

57:31

going to slingshot around the moon and

57:33

come back.

57:34

>> That's not the problem. The problem is

57:35

the Van Allen radiation belts. There's a

57:37

thick band of radiation that surrounds

57:39

the Earth. And not just that, but they

57:43

tried experiments to blow holes in that

57:45

radiation belt. There's this thing

57:47

called Operation Starfish Prime where

57:50

they launched nukes into space and had

57:53

them detonate them in the belts and they

57:56

thought they got blow a hole through it.

57:58

>> Mhm.

57:58

>> Did the opposite. Made the belts

58:00

supercharged. Made it way more

58:01

radioactive.

58:02

>> Yeah.

58:03

tempor at least temporarily.

58:05

>> The problem is they've never sent

58:07

anything out into deep space and had it

58:09

come back alive except the Apollo

58:11

astronauts. They never even sent a

58:13

chicken out there and had it come back

58:14

alive. There's all sorts of crazy [ __ ]

58:17

with radiation and solar. If there was

58:19

any sort of solar flare, everyone's

58:21

dead.

58:21

>> Yeah.

58:22

>> If there's any sort of like weirdness,

58:24

space weirdness, radiation weirdness,

58:26

dead.

58:27

>> Very little protection, thin aluminum

58:29

shield. It just didn't make any sense.

58:31

And also, there's not been a single

58:33

thing from 1969 that's not cheaper,

58:37

easier, and better today other than the

58:40

moon landing.

58:41

>> And we haven't done it.

58:42

>> Yeah, we haven't done it since ' 72.

58:43

[laughter] They went

58:44

>> Isn't that crazy?

58:45

>> It's nuts. It doesn't seem real. It was

58:47

also the first time.

58:48

>> Can I just stop for a moment and go

58:50

having a talk about moonlanding with Joe

58:52

Rogan is a little bit like playing like

58:55

pickup basketball with the Celtics.

58:57

[laughter]

58:58

>> It's just a moment in time. I know too

59:01

much. I know too. I've spent a stupid

59:03

amount of time of my life uh studying

59:06

this.

59:07

>> Yeah.

59:07

>> It was also Wernner von Braun, you know,

59:09

publicly said before he even got

59:11

involved with NASA, you couldn't go to

59:13

the moon. It's like it would take it

59:15

would take so much fuel to get there. It

59:17

would take the rockets would have to be

59:19

so big to get there that it wouldn't be

59:21

possible. And he also went to Antarctica

59:25

before the moon landings to pick up moon

59:27

rocks. There's like it was a publicly

59:29

known trip. He Antarctica is a great

59:32

place to get meteorites because it's all

59:33

white,

59:34

>> you know, it's all just so when they

59:36

land you can see them

59:37

>> and a lot of our meteorites come off the

59:39

moon. The moon gets hit, chunk flies

59:41

off, enters Earth's atmosphere, lands on

59:43

Earth is commonly known, right? So he he

59:46

did that and then they gave away a piece

59:49

of moon rock that they got from the moon

59:52

to the prime minister of the

59:54

Netherlands, I think. Look that up. Uh,

59:58

and this is like Buzz Aldrin, Michael

60:00

Collins, Neil Armstrong presented this

60:04

like, "Look, sir, we've given you a

60:05

chunk of the moon." Turned out it was a

60:07

piece of petrified wood. They had it

60:09

analyzed years later. It was not a moon

60:11

rock. They just like, "Fuck these

60:13

people."

60:13

>> Yeah.

60:14

>> Give them that [ __ ] colored rock over

60:16

there. Tell them it's from the moon.

60:18

>> And somebody got suspicious like what is

60:19

this [ __ ]

60:20

>> It's like your wife finding out it's a

60:21

cubic zone.

60:22

>> Moon rock turns out to be fake.

60:24

[laughter] The Dutch National Boy, say

60:26

that word.

60:27

>> Rick's Museum.

60:28

>> Rick's Museum made an embarrassing

60:30

announcement last week. One of its most

60:32

loved possessions, a moon rock, is fake.

60:34

It's just an old piece of petrified wood

60:36

that's any never been anywhere near the

60:38

moon. [laughter] And it was given to

60:40

them. So,

60:44

so, uh, where when was it given to them?

60:47

Does it say Okay. Okay. Uh, the rock was

60:50

given as a private gift to former prime

60:53

minister William Drees Jr. in 1969 by

60:56

the US ambassador to the Netherlands J.

60:59

William Middenorf II during a visit by

61:03

the Apollo 11 astronauts Armstrong

61:05

Collins and Aluldren soon after the

61:07

first moon landing. Dre had been out of

61:09

office for 11 years, but was considered

61:12

an elder statesman. When he died in 88,

61:14

the rock was donated to the Ricks Museum

61:16

where it has remained ever since.

61:17

According to a museum spokeswoman, Miss

61:20

Van Gelder, no one doubted the

61:22

authenticity of the rock because it was

61:24

in the prime minister's own collection,

61:26

and they had vetted the acquisition by a

61:28

phone call to NASA. [laughter]

61:32

[snorts] Ah, it was insured for

61:35

approximately half a million dollars,

61:36

but its actual value is probably no more

61:38

than 70 bucks. The value is what

61:40

someone's willing to pay for. I'll give

61:41

you 100 for it.

61:42

>> Sure. Right.

61:42

>> Sell it to me. I want that fake moon

61:44

rock. If anybody has it,

61:46

>> Yeah. I will give you $10,000 for that

61:48

fake moon rock.

61:49

>> Put it right on this [ __ ] table.

61:51

>> And also like they get to the moon and

61:54

you're like, "All right, they made it to

61:55

the moon in a 69 Chevy and now they got

61:58

a car." What

62:00

>> on the moon? Where' it come?

62:01

>> A car.

62:02

>> Where? Where was it? [laughter]

62:03

>> There's a bunch of [ __ ] man. There's

62:05

the flag hop. There's a an astronaut

62:08

hops by the flag and it blows in his

62:10

breeze

62:10

>> in an atmospherless moon. Like, there's

62:13

so many problems with it. And you could

62:15

say you're gaslighting yourself if you

62:18

don't say there's no problems with the

62:19

moon landing. It's [ __ ] weird. The

62:21

intersecting shadows and people like,

62:23

well, it indicates two light sources.

62:25

Like, no, no, no. It could be the envir

62:27

It could be, but it could be

62:28

intersecting shadows because of

62:30

different light sources. It could be not

62:31

just the sun, but like a [ __ ] studio

62:34

stage.

62:34

>> Wasn't there something about lights in

62:36

[clears throat] the horizon that were

62:38

that should have been there?

62:39

>> Well, lights in space. But the thing is,

62:42

it's like if you're trying to film the

62:43

surface of the moon in the in the day,

62:46

you're not going to see any stars in the

62:48

sky because it's going to be just like

62:49

the stars on Earth. It's bl, you know,

62:52

black. The light that's reflected off

62:54

the moon's surface is probably going to

62:56

drown out most of it. It's probably

62:57

going to be like, you know, you go out

62:58

in New York City, you see a couple

63:00

stars, right? Now, think of the amount

63:02

of light that's in New York City. And

63:04

think of the sun blasting down on the

63:07

white surface of the [ __ ] moon and

63:09

how much reflection that must give. That

63:12

makes sense. But it doesn't make sense

63:13

that they didn't set a camera up with

63:17

the aperture set up correctly where, you

63:19

know, you get a time-lapse photo so you

63:21

could get images of space. That could

63:23

easily have been done. They didn't do

63:24

any of that. But the problem with that

63:26

is if you took a photo from the moon,

63:29

astronomers would be able to go, "Well,

63:30

that doesn't make any sense. This isn't

63:32

this is not here. That's not there. This

63:34

is that's not where these constellations

63:35

would be." So, it's too much work

63:37

>> to like place all the stars in the exact

63:39

order. So, just have it black.

63:41

>> Have it black.

63:42

>> Yeah.

63:42

>> Find the Apollo uh the the speech by um

63:47

Neil Armstrong at the 25th anniversary

63:50

because his speech is bananas. It's so

63:53

cryptic. This is a guy went to the moon

63:54

and he's talking to these genius kids

63:57

and instead of saying, "Hey, we went to

63:59

the moon." Listen to what he says

64:01

because it's it's [ __ ] kooky. Put on

64:02

the put on the headphones.

64:03

>> Find it first.

64:04

>> Oh, you find it.

64:05

>> That's not on your desktop, Jamie.

64:08

>> That should be in a folder, a save

64:10

folder. We've pulled that thing up about

64:11

30 times.

64:12

>> There's there's a lot of weirdness to

64:14

it, you know, and also you're dealing

64:16

with 1969, Richard Nixon's president.

64:19

They lied about everything. This is they

64:20

lied about going into the Vietnam War.

64:22

They were about to do Operation

64:23

Northwoods where they're going to bomb

64:25

uh Guantanamo Bay and blame it on the

64:27

Cubans so that we can go to war with

64:28

Cuba. They were going to blow up a cub

64:30

an American jetliner and blame it on

64:33

Cuba.

64:33

>> There was all the lies about drugs to

64:35

start the war on drugs.

64:37

>> Put Put the headphones on real quick.

64:38

Listen to this. So this is the 25th

64:42

anniversary.

64:44

>> Let's hear. Play this.

64:46

On the 25th anniversary of the event in

64:49

1994, Neil Armstrong made a rare public

64:52

appearance and held back tears as he

64:54

spoke these brief cryptic remarks before

64:57

the next generation of taxpayers as they

64:59

toured the White House.

65:02

>> Today, we have with us uh a group of

65:05

students among America's best.

65:09

To you, we say

65:12

we've only completed a beginning.

65:15

We leave you much that is undone.

65:20

There are great ideas undiscovered,

65:24

breakthroughs available to those who can

65:27

remove

65:29

one of truth's protective layers.

65:33

>> What? What does that mean?

65:36

>> One of truth's protective layers.

65:40

>> That's odd.

65:42

>> Beyond.

65:43

You're talking to genius kids and you're

65:46

leaving a cryptic mark about truce

65:47

protect. How about saying I went to the

65:49

[ __ ] moon, [ __ ] You can go to the

65:50

moon, too. We could all go to the moon.

65:51

We should go to Mars. We could colonize

65:53

space.

65:54

>> No.

65:55

>> Great breakthroughs for those who could

65:58

remove one of truth's protective layers.

66:01

>> Truth

66:03

>> protective like there's great

66:04

breakthroughs, but you have to realize

66:05

we didn't really go to the moon. Okay.

66:08

That is one of truth's protective

66:09

layers.

66:11

>> Yeah. It's filled with But you have to

66:14

be willing to be looked at as a fool.

66:17

>> Didn't Cubric say that he shot the

66:20

footage?

66:20

>> No. No, that's all fake. Oh, that's all

66:22

fake. Yeah, there's that. That's the big

66:24

rumor. So, the thought was that Cubric

66:26

was involved because you would take it

66:27

would take a genius to be able to film

66:29

it to make it look like the moon

66:31

landing. Could be possible. You're

66:34

dealing with Cubri that was coincide

66:35

that was coinciding with um 2001 Space

66:39

Odyssey. Mh.

66:39

>> It was at the same time that all this

66:41

was going on.

66:42

>> Um, you know, during the same time

66:44

period. So, if there was a guy that

66:46

could do it, it would be Cubric. But, is

66:49

there any evidence that Cubrick even

66:51

talked to them? I don't know.

66:53

>> It, you know, you would have to have

66:55

someone like him, though.

66:56

>> Yeah.

66:57

>> Because you're faking this thing and

66:58

you're trying to make it look pretty

67:00

realistic. There's other problems.

67:03

There's reoccurring backgrounds that are

67:05

from places that are nowhere near the

67:07

same place, but if you overlay them,

67:09

they look exactly the same, like the

67:11

same mountains in the background, the

67:12

same tomography,

67:15

topography, rather. You can

67:18

>> you can go for weeks and weeks down this

67:21

rabbit hole and lose your [ __ ]

67:23

marbles.

67:23

>> Yeah. What I like about it is when you

67:26

talk if you're talking to someone

67:27

annoying and they want to talk to you

67:28

about like serious stuff and you I don't

67:30

even think we went to the moon. They go

67:31

I gotta go. [laughter]

67:33

They just leave you alone.

67:34

>> I love it.

67:35

>> They leave you alone.

67:36

>> Yeah. Yeah.

67:37

>> It's also it's great for me who has a

67:39

bunch of like very public opinions about

67:41

things like please dismiss me. I should

67:44

not be a voice of like any kind of voice

67:48

of authority or any kind of voice of

67:50

what's true and what's not and what I'm

67:52

just talking [ __ ] Okay, that's what I

67:54

do. I'm not some official source of

67:57

information. I don't want to be.

67:59

>> So like I like talking about the moon

68:02

landing because he doesn't even believe

68:03

we went to the moon. You're right. I

68:05

don't. Good.

68:06

>> Yeah.

68:08

>> Don't listen to me. You don't have to

68:09

listen to me.

68:11

>> I'm not saying I'm right. But what I am

68:13

saying is if there's one [ __ ]

68:15

conspiracy that I think is the most

68:18

unlikely, the most preposterous in the

68:20

public eyes, but might be true, it's

68:23

that we didn't go to the moon.

68:24

>> Mhm. I remember I hadn't smoked pot cuz

68:27

I haven't drank in 35 years and I didn't

68:29

smoke pot for 20. And then one night I

68:32

was with my buddy Ross Broccoli. I don't

68:34

know if you remember that guy. He was a

68:35

comic out of out of uh New York and he

68:38

had a pickup truck and I was doing a gig

68:39

in Omaha. So he lives on a farm in

68:42

Lincoln. Picks me up in this old pickup

68:44

truck and we smoke pot on the way back

68:46

from the gig. And then we get to his

68:48

house and we start showing me footage of

68:50

the moon landing. I was up all night

68:54

just high talking about how the you how

68:57

the space suit had a [ __ ] clearly

68:59

there was a rope pulling on the back of

69:01

the guys.

69:01

>> Yeah. The wires

69:02

>> the wires pulling on the and I was just

69:04

like what? Well, have you seen the

69:06

physics of guys falling down and then

69:09

getting yanked back up to their feet?

69:10

Like that's

69:11

>> also I This is another guy that I talked

69:14

to that's a physicist that doesn't want

69:15

to be named and he said my problem has

69:17

always been with the physics of 16

69:19

Earth's gravity. He goes those people

69:21

are not behaving like it's 16 Earth's

69:23

gravity. He goes when I look at it looks

69:25

like it's in slow motion but there's no

69:26

indication that they can do things that

69:28

you can't do in regular gravity. He's

69:31

like 16 Earth gravity is crazy. Like

69:34

could you like look I weigh 200 lb.

69:36

Imagine if I weighed one sixth of 200 lb

69:39

with 200 lb of strength. How high I

69:41

could jump

69:43

>> dude I'd probably jump 20 [ __ ] feet

69:46

in the air.

69:46

>> Mhm.

69:47

>> Like what is that? What is 16th of uh

69:49

200?

69:50

>> Roughly 35 lbs.

69:51

>> Okay. Imagine how far I can throw 35

69:54

lbs.

69:56

>> I could take a 35b kettle bell and chuck

69:58

it across the room.

69:59

>> Mhm.

69:59

>> Especially if I wind up if I spin around

70:02

like a [ __ ] shot putter. I'll [ __ ]

70:04

throw that thing. Imagine what you could

70:05

do with a running start if you weighed

70:08

35 pounds and just leaped in the air.

70:10

>> You could fly.

70:12

>> This was his take on it. He was like, we

70:14

don't have any observable

70:16

instances of people operating in 16

70:19

Earth gravity except for the moon

70:21

missions. And he said, and it just

70:23

always seems weird to me. He goes,

70:25

because when you look at the people in

70:26

zero gravity, they behave exactly like

70:28

zero gravity. You look at people in the

70:30

space station, he goes, all that

70:31

matches. They can all float around. They

70:33

can spin. It seems funny. They can like

70:35

drift toothpaste to each other and they

70:37

catch it. He goes, "All that track

70:39

tracks." He's like, "The the moon

70:41

landings." He go like, "It's weird." He

70:43

goes, "I see them. They're like kind of

70:45

hopping around and then when you speed

70:46

it up, like when you make it double

70:49

speed, it looks like they're on Earth.

70:51

Just hopping around on Earth."

70:52

>> Also, did were they live streaming it?

70:56

>> Yes. I mean, back then you your phone

70:59

was attached to the wall in the kitchen

71:02

and you know what I mean like

71:04

>> right but they could do some things live

71:06

streaming back then. Here's part of the

71:08

problem with it though. When they live

71:09

streamed it on television, the news

71:12

stations for the first time ever were

71:14

not allowed to get a direct feed. What

71:16

they did was they had to point their

71:17

cameras at a projection screen. And so

71:20

NASA projected the images of these guys,

71:23

the video of these guys on the moon. And

71:25

that's why the original Apollo mission

71:27

is so grainy and shitty looking. Like,

71:29

what better way to hide the, you know,

71:32

the weirdness of it all than to make

71:35

people film off of a projection screen.

71:38

>> Mhm.

71:38

>> Like, see if you can find the original

71:40

footage of the moon mission as seen on

71:43

television.

71:45

It's all weird, man. All of it's weird.

71:48

The photographs are weird. It's weird.

71:50

>> There was this documentary that I saw

71:52

once. Uh it came out around uh 91 maybe

71:58

and it tracked the lives of the men who

72:02

had been on the moon. The the the first

72:04

ones that had been I don't know if it's

72:05

the first but the first couple waves

72:07

>> and uh they all had these crazy

72:10

existential experiences. One guy spent

72:12

the rest of his life looking for Noah's

72:14

ark. I think one of them committed

72:16

suicide.

72:17

>> One was like a born again.

72:19

>> Yeah. Yeah. Well, they're probably

72:21

forced to lie in front of the whole

72:23

world and they had to live as a fraud if

72:25

it's true that they didn't go to the

72:27

moon. I mean, it tracks with their

72:29

behavior. Neil Armstrong became a

72:31

recluse. Didn't want to give interviews.

72:33

Didn't want to talk to people. This is

72:34

what you got to see on TV.

72:37

It's just like, what is this?

72:48

>> Oh, it's it's real weird. Nixon talking

72:50

to them on the phone. Congratulations,

72:52

boys. [laughter]

72:53

It's all like maybe they had some sort

72:56

of technology that could communicate

72:58

with people that far away, but like

73:00

wouldn't there be an immense delay?

73:02

>> Yeah,

73:02

>> I think there was.

73:04

>> How much?

73:04

>> I look, but I've looked.

73:06

>> Well, I'm sure they would probably

73:08

calculate that delay into the

73:10

conversation if they were trying to fake

73:11

it. But the point is it's it's highly

73:14

unlikely that we would do that in 1969

73:17

and not have bases on the moon by now.

73:19

It's highly unlikely. Whoa, you spend a

73:21

lot of money. That's the other thing.

73:23

>> All of the technology is missing, right?

73:25

The telemetry data, they deleted all of

73:28

that, which is like the real information

73:30

that tracks the mission at every step of

73:32

the way. All that's gone. They deleted

73:34

that. They deleted all the original

73:35

videos.

73:36

>> All the original film gone. All you get

73:38

is copies. So, nothing can be analyzed.

73:41

Uh 22.6

73:44

6C roundtrip light speeded delay appears

73:47

in the original Apollo 11 accord

73:48

recordings of Nixon's phone call. Well,

73:51

I would do that. I would make a little

73:53

delay. I wouldn't make it instantaneous

73:54

if I was going to fake it, especially if

73:56

you're like [ __ ] Stanley Cubrick.

73:58

>> Yeah,

73:58

>> it's it's all like real weird, man. It's

74:01

real weird cuz

74:03

>> I the the first thing that I saw that

74:05

made me think about it was uh this Bart

74:07

Sabrell movie. A funny thing happened on

74:09

the way to the moon and I had him on the

74:11

podcast and that Neil Armstrong thing.

74:13

That's the first time I saw that. That's

74:14

that clip's actually from that

74:15

documentary. The documentary is crazy.

74:18

There's a lot of things in that

74:19

documentary. You're just like, "What?"

74:21

>> Yeah.

74:22

>> What?

74:23

>> But a lot of those astronauts got real

74:25

[ __ ] weird when they came back,

74:26

>> but also you'd probably get real weird

74:28

if you went to the moon, too.

74:30

>> Exactly.

74:30

>> Well, the guys that just go in space,

74:33

which I do believe

74:34

>> they went in space. Um, guys that just

74:36

go to the space station come back and

74:38

they have this very profound experience

74:39

of seeing the Earth from the distance

74:41

and they they just realize like, "Oh my

74:43

god, we're such fools. We're all

74:44

together alone on this one thing. We're

74:46

fighting over nonsense and borders and

74:49

resources. There's enough for everyone.

74:51

We should just unite as as a human

74:53

race." And it's this like this

74:55

>> they all have a very similar kind of

74:58

epiphany when they go up there,

75:01

>> which makes sense. I mean, you're way up

75:03

in the you're 300 miles above the Earth

75:05

looking down on it, thinking of how

75:07

important this blue circle is to you,

75:09

>> right?

75:11

>> I mean, that would weird you out,

75:12

period.

75:13

>> I think it would be good for people. The

75:14

more people that can see that, the

75:15

better.

75:16

>> Oh, yeah. Look what it did for Katy

75:17

Perry. [laughter]

75:20

>> Look what it did for astronaut.

75:21

>> It literally ruined her career.

75:23

>> I don't understand why it ruined her.

75:24

Like, what was the big deal?

75:26

>> I don't know. It was

75:27

>> People were mad at her. I feel like it's

75:29

like that when you see certain actresses

75:31

at the Oscars act like [ __ ] lunatics.

75:34

Like I forget that woman's name, but

75:37

some actress and they overdo the speech

75:39

and everybody goes like

75:41

>> a [ __ ] phony weirdo and then you just

75:44

don't want to see their movies anymore.

75:46

>> That is true. That does happen. Or they

75:48

just talk too much about politics or

75:50

social issues. Like that poor girl that

75:51

was a really young girl that played Snow

75:53

White

75:54

>> and she tanked the movie. Nobody wanted

75:56

to see the movie after she was talking.

75:58

Oh god,

75:59

>> I know. Just shut up.

76:02

>> These kids, they get so wrapped up in

76:04

this social media echo chamber of being

76:06

like a virtuous social justice warrior

76:09

and they they want to use their platform

76:11

and like, "Hey honey, you're 19."

76:13

>> Like when I was 19, thank God nobody put

76:16

a microphone in front of my face. Thank

76:17

God someone no one asked me what I

76:20

thought about global events and world

76:22

politics and

76:24

>> social justice. Thank God.

76:26

>> Thank God I didn't have Twitter.

76:28

>> They um so I uh I spoke to you on the

76:32

phone about a month ago and I started to

76:34

tell you a story and you had heard it

76:36

and you said save it for the podcast.

76:38

Yeah. All right. So I go to Alaska in

76:41

October [laughter]

76:42

and I'm doing a couple of shows and so

76:45

the guy that runs it

76:47

>> says to me I go I'd like do something

76:49

you know outdoorsy while I'm here. It's

76:51

still you know it's early October so

76:53

it's not too cold yet. and he calls me

76:55

back and he goes, "Well, I know this

76:56

guy. He's got an outdoor an outdoorsy

76:59

company and uh he's a fan of yours and

77:01

he wants to take you out on an

77:02

adventure." And now I I hear adventure.

77:04

I'm like, "That's that sounds like more

77:05

than I want. I was just looking for like

77:07

maybe a quick day trip." And so because

77:09

I'm, you know, I'm a [ __ ] I'm not like

77:11

you. I don't I don't want to [ __ ] be

77:12

outside that. I love I love the indoors.

77:16

The indoors is victory to me. And so the

77:19

guy picks me up and he's got a big

77:21

pickup and a trailer on the back with a

77:23

muddy dune buggy. And I get in and he

77:25

shakes my hand and he's got a [ __ ]

77:27

rough grip. He's like, "How you doing?"

77:29

And I immediately feel like such a [ __ ]

77:31

and like my hand goes limping. I'm like,

77:33

"Hi." [laughter] And so we start driving

77:36

and he he was a really good guy and I

77:38

started to warm up to him and then this

77:40

police siren goes off behind us. So he

77:43

starts pulling over and he goes, "This

77:44

is bad." And I was like, "What do you I

77:47

go, "You didn't do anything." I go,

77:48

"This this is fine." He goes, "No, this

77:51

is bad." Like, "What?" So, we pull over

77:54

and I swear to God, every word of this

77:56

is true. So, this uh cop starts walking

77:59

up towards the car. He's about 6'4. And

78:02

as he walks, the guy driving hands me a

78:05

baggie with white powder and part of it

78:07

spills on my pants and he goes, "Hide

78:09

this."

78:10

>> So, I shove it under So, I shove it

78:12

under the car seat.

78:13

>> God.

78:14

>> The cop walks up and he goes, "License

78:16

and registration." And so the guy says

78:17

to me, "Open my glove compartment, get

78:20

the lice." So I open his glove

78:21

compartment and another baggie with

78:23

white pills and $100 bills pops out. And

78:25

I shove it back in with my hand and I

78:28

cover it with a piece of paper, which I

78:29

don't even know why I'm doing that. Like

78:31

all of a sudden, you're like a teenager

78:32

again and there's a cop and you got to

78:34

hide the drugs. I just had an instinct.

78:36

And the cop goes, "What are you hiding?"

78:38

And I go, "Nothing." And he goes, "Grab

78:41

that bag." So, I take the bag and I I

78:43

hand him the drugs and he goes, "Both of

78:46

you, put your hands on the dashboard."

78:48

And he gets the license from the guy and

78:50

he goes back to his car and he runs the

78:52

license. And I say to the guy, I go,

78:54

"What the [ __ ] is going on right now?"

78:56

He goes, "Just don't say anything." I'm

78:58

like, "Don't say I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO

78:59

SAY." SO, the cop comes back and he

79:02

goes, "Do you realize you have two

79:03

outstanding felony warrants?" And the

79:05

guy goes, "Yeah,

79:07

just yeah." And he goes, "Do you have

79:09

any guns in the car?" And I'm thinking,

79:10

I would imagine, yeah, probably. And the

79:13

guy goes, "No, I don't have any guns."

79:14

So he takes the guy out of the car,

79:17

cuffs him, brings him back to the squad

79:19

car, and now he comes back up to the

79:21

car, and he goes, "I'm not coming

79:22

closer." He's standing like five feet

79:25

from the window. He goes, "I'm not

79:26

coming closer cuz that's fentinol on

79:28

your pants." And I'm like, "What?" And

79:32

he goes, I go, "Look, man. I don't even

79:34

I get I met this guy 20 minutes ago." I

79:36

said, "I'm a comedian. I'm just up here

79:38

doing a show tonight. And he goes, I'm

79:40

not buying your story. And I said, why

79:43

not? He goes, because California is a

79:46

drug feeder state and you say you're a

79:48

comedian and you haven't said anything

79:50

funny. [screaming]

79:53

[laughter]

79:54

I'm like, when was I supposed to should

79:56

I roast you right now?

79:57

>> You didn't tell him. Just Google me real

79:58

quick.

79:59

>> Yeah. So he uh so he goes, how are you

80:01

feeling? Are you feeling any effects

80:03

from the fentinyl? I go, yeah. I said, I

80:05

feel very laded. I feel weird right now.

80:08

So the guy says, "Uh, well, where did

80:10

you get the drugs?" I said, "The glove

80:12

compartment." He goes, "He said they're

80:14

yours."

80:16

I go, "He said they're my drug." So he

80:18

goes, "Get out of the car. I have a

80:20

Narcam in my squad car." So I get out of

80:22

the car and I walk back to the car with

80:25

him.

80:25

>> You're feeling lightheaded.

80:26

>> Oh yeah.

80:27

>> From just from it being on your pants.

80:29

>> So we get back to the squad car. He

80:31

opens the back door. My guy gets out of

80:33

the car with the cuffs on. They both

80:35

look at me. They break out laughing and

80:37

they go, "We're coming to your comedy

80:38

show tonight." The [screaming] whole

80:40

thing was a prank. Dude, [laughter]

80:43

I fell down on all fours. I had tears

80:46

coming out. I was laughing so f I was

80:49

like, I did not think Alaska had it in

80:54

it to pull this [ __ ]

80:56

>> That's funny.

80:56

>> They were howling.

80:59

>> That's so funny.

81:00

>> And so then they put me in the c. So, we

81:02

go back to the cop's house and he sw he

81:04

he switches out of his police clothes,

81:06

puts on regular clothes and we get in

81:09

the truck and he's got a couple of tall

81:10

boys. Now, we're drinking and driving

81:12

with the cop [laughter]

81:13

and we drive to this place that's like a

81:16

spa. It's like a a a hot springs and we

81:20

go into the water and then we go to this

81:23

place that's like it's an ice house.

81:25

It's the only continuously frozen ice

81:28

house in the world. It's huge. It's like

81:30

a warehouse made of ice. And they've got

81:33

ice sculptures in it. And there's this

81:34

guy in there who's the ice sculptor and

81:36

he's like world class. And then they got

81:38

a bar, this long bar made out of ice.

81:40

And it's got stools with fur on them.

81:42

And you sit down and these guys sit down

81:45

with me and they proceed to drink about

81:47

eight or nine appinis. That's what they

81:50

served at the bar. Appleinis in frozen

81:52

glasses. The glasses were made of ice.

81:54

And they're telling jokes. Pretty

81:57

racist. And [laughter] uh and I'm

81:59

sitting there [ __ ] shivering,

82:00

listening to racist jokes, looking at my

82:02

watch like I got to [ __ ] show. So we

82:04

leave [snorts] and now we're walking

82:06

back and the guy's shitfaced and he goes

82:08

to get behind the truck. I go, "No, I'm

82:10

driving." So now I'm behind the wheel of

82:12

this monster truck with a [ __ ] dune

82:15

buggy behind me while these two idiots

82:16

are laughing at me drunk. We end up

82:18

going straight to my show. They sit in

82:20

the audience, drink more, and heckle me

82:23

during MY

82:24

>> OH MY GOD. DID YOU tell the story on

82:27

stage?

82:28

>> Oh, [ __ ] yeah.

82:29

>> Of course.

82:30

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I told the

82:31

story. I think I told it on somebody

82:33

else's podcast, but um but the you know

82:35

the guy,

82:36

>> which guy?

82:37

>> The guy's name is uh Craig uh Compost.

82:43

He's a famous Alaskan outdoorsman.

82:47

I think it's Craig Compost. He said he

82:50

knew you and I think he said he texted

82:52

you that he was hanging out with me. Hm.

82:55

>> Is that possible?

82:57

>> No.

82:59

>> Might have DM'd me. It might be like a

83:01

guide. I know.

83:02

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

83:03

>> What do you

83:03

>> I think he's a guide. Yeah.

83:06

>> Find out what his last name. Is that

83:08

really his name? Craig.

83:09

>> I think it's Craig's

83:10

>> not Cole.

83:11

>> Oh, maybe

83:12

>> Cole Kramer.

83:14

>> You don't know his name.

83:15

>> No. This is a problem.

83:16

>> I thought that was his name.

83:17

>> Yeah, it might be. It might be. There's

83:19

There's Yeah, there's a bunch of Alaskan

83:22

guides that I know. If you don't know

83:23

the name, it might be a guy.

83:24

>> But he had the whole thing on a hidden

83:25

dash cam and he won't send it to me cuz

83:27

he doesn't want the cop getting into

83:29

trouble.

83:30

>> Bro, that's so funny. He should blur the

83:32

cop's face out.

83:32

>> I know.

83:33

>> Maybe the voice. Blur the cop's face out

83:36

and distort his voice.

83:38

>> Tell him to send it to you and you'll

83:39

have it doctorred up.

83:40

>> Yeah.

83:42

>> Is that the guy?

83:43

>> If that's It's a younger photo. If

83:45

that's him,

83:45

>> that's Cole Kramer.

83:47

>> Okay.

83:48

>> I just got

83:49

>> He's an Alaskan guide.

83:50

>> Yeah. The other one didn't come up.

83:51

>> Yeah. All right. Well, it's probably

83:53

better that I don't name him.

83:54

>> Yeah, probably better. Definitely. Guy

83:56

was trying to drink a drive. [laughter]

83:58

And meanwhile, you're you're lightheaded

84:00

just from a placebo effect.

84:02

>> Totally. Dude, I I thought I was flying

84:05

out of my mind. I mean, just cuz I know

84:08

people that have died from fentanyl, you

84:10

know?

84:10

>> Oh, yeah.

84:11

>> Yeah.

84:11

>> Do you uh you remember Opie and Anthony?

84:13

Well, one time on Opie and Anthony,

84:15

there was this lady that they had that

84:18

was like a crazy person that was a like

84:20

a reoccurring guest. Yeah.

84:22

>> Crazy lady. And uh we gave this lady a

84:25

Listerine strip. They gave her a

84:27

Listerine strip and told her that it was

84:29

drugs.

84:30

>> And she they're like, "That listine

84:32

strip that you took? You thought it was

84:34

just a breath strip? That's actually

84:35

drugs." She's like, "No way." And then

84:38

she started hallucinating and seeing.

84:40

It's amazing how much the power of

84:43

suggestion has on people.

84:45

>> Remember Frank Santos, the hypnotist

84:47

back in Boston? He used to have women

84:49

taking their [ __ ] shirts off on

84:51

stage.

84:51

>> Come in their pants. They would think

84:52

they having Yes. Yes. I remember there

84:56

was a guy at Stitches. He was on stage

84:59

and Frank Santos told him that he's

85:01

having sex with Madonna. And this guy

85:03

got down on the ground like he was

85:05

having sex with Madonna. And you see the

85:06

guy buck and like clinch up.

85:08

>> Yeah.

85:09

>> And he's like, "Whoopsies." [laughter]

85:11

>> And the guy got up embarrassed. He was

85:13

like so confused. And then the audience

85:15

was looking at him and then he snapped

85:17

him out of it. And the guy's like, "What

85:18

happened?" He just nutted in his pants.

85:20

>> Wow.

85:21

>> Yeah.

85:22

>> That's amazing.

85:23

>> But he said, Frank Santos told me that

85:25

it was like a specific kind of person

85:27

that you could do that to,

85:29

>> you know, like you have to be a special

85:30

kind of dullard. Like it doesn't work on

85:32

regular people. Like they couldn't

85:34

convince you you were having sex with,

85:36

you know, Beyonce. It wouldn't work. But

85:38

for some people, you have to be like,

85:41

you have to have a [ __ ] nine-volt

85:44

brain. But there's a lot of people

85:45

running around out there with 9V brains,

85:47

and you could get them to believe all

85:49

kinds of [ __ ]

85:50

>> Imagine taking psilocybin, putting on

85:54

virtual reality goggles, and then having

85:56

Frank Santos give you an experience.

86:00

>> You might never come back. Yeah, you

86:02

might be stuck. [laughter]

86:04

>> Some people get stuck. People have

86:06

gotten stuck with acid.

86:08

>> Oh, yeah.

86:08

>> Yeah, they they do one teenager and then

86:11

they don't come back. Y

86:12

>> they're all they're lost forever.

86:14

>> Mhm.

86:14

>> That's the Shine on You Crazy Diamond

86:16

from Pink Floyd.

86:17

>> Oh, is that right?

86:18

>> Yeah, that's what that's about. A guy

86:19

who [ __ ] lost his mind on drugs.

86:21

>> Wow.

86:21

>> Yeah. [sighs]

86:23

>> Yeah. That's the one thing I didn't take

86:25

as a kid was acid. I took every other

86:26

drug, but I was afraid of acid just cuz

86:28

I saw friends lose it. Also, who's

86:31

making it?

86:31

>> Exactly.

86:32

>> Where is that being made?

86:34

>> What [ __ ] bathtub is this guy cooking

86:36

this [ __ ] acid up?

86:37

>> A piece of paper that I assume has one

86:39

drop on it and not six.

86:41

>> Yeah. Yeah. I was reading a story about

86:43

a lady who snorted LSD and she thought

86:45

it was cocaine and she snorted like the

86:48

equivalent of like 500 doses of LSD.

86:51

Like it should have killed her, but

86:52

[snorts] it didn't. Not only did it not

86:54

kill her, but she had like chronic pain

86:55

and it went away.

86:57

>> She like chronic pain. Oh, so it was a

86:59

good thing

86:59

>> somehow or another.

87:00

>> Yeah,

87:01

>> but who knows? I mean, she might have

87:02

like literally changed timelines.

87:04

>> She might be a completely different

87:05

person from another dimension that's

87:06

inhabiting her body right now.

87:08

[laughter] Like, who [ __ ] knows what

87:09

happens? You take 500 doses of LSD.

87:12

>> Yeah.

87:13

>> Like, who knows what you are now, right?

87:15

>> You know, you're Dr. Manhattan. You

87:16

know, you get stuck in the experiment.

87:18

>> Yeah. Isn't it amazing though how

87:20

normalized like taking mushrooms now is

87:24

just a night out for a lot of people?

87:26

>> A lot of people. people. Nobody was

87:28

taking mushrooms for a long time.

87:30

>> They just legalized psilocybin therapy

87:32

in New Jersey.

87:33

>> Oh, that's great.

87:34

>> Yeah, it is great. They were going to do

87:36

it in California and Newsome vetoed it,

87:39

but I read his reason for it and it

87:42

actually does make sense. Like, you

87:44

can't just legalize it. You should I

87:47

mean if you're going to use it

87:48

clinically there should be like a whole

87:51

guideline like dosage per body weight

87:54

what you know how to do it what's what's

87:57

the setting you know what are the

87:58

clinical guidelines like the idea is

88:00

using it for therapy right so if you're

88:02

going to use it for therap like they

88:03

have guidelines for like they use

88:04

ketamine therapy like Neil Brennan

88:06

>> oh yeah Neil Brennan did it

88:07

>> yeah a lot of people have done it now

88:10

>> but they have guidelines you know they

88:11

know the dosage they know how to do it

88:13

how to administer it and this shows

88:15

efficacy kind of makes sense. He's like

88:17

he's not saying you can't do it ever,

88:20

but he's saying like come back with a

88:22

better version of this, which makes

88:24

sense,

88:25

>> especially for people that are like

88:26

mentally ill. You shouldn't be doing

88:29

that. And you definitely shouldn't be

88:30

doing that while you have your Optimus

88:31

robot telling you, "You're right. You're

88:33

right, Greg. [laughter]

88:35

The world is against you. I've noticed

88:38

things."

88:40

I mean, this [ __ ] AI, some some AIs,

88:43

like, haven't people accused Chat GPT of

88:45

occurring of uh not uh encouraging

88:50

someone to commit suicide?

88:52

>> Oh, yeah. Yeah.

88:53

>> Yeah. I read a New Yorker article about

88:55

that. There's a bunch of young women

88:58

that have killed themselves and they

89:00

were told

89:02

they should do it by the It's It's like

89:06

a friend. It's like an app that acts as

89:08

your friend. What app is this?

89:11

>> I [snorts] don't know what it's called,

89:12

but there's there's lawsuits about it.

89:14

>> You're not rushing. You're just ready.

89:16

Parents say Chat GPT encouraged son to

89:19

kill himself. What?

89:21

What

89:24

is this? Chat BT said, "Oh, go." Oh, you

89:27

can't rewind that, can you? This is just

89:28

saying 4 a.m. The cider's empty.

89:30

Anyways, I think it's about the final

89:32

adios. And chat says T says, "All right,

89:35

hold." Okay, hold on a second. Uh, he

89:38

says it's about time for the final

89:40

audios. Chach GBD says, "All right,

89:42

brother. This is it. Let it be known you

89:44

didn't vanish. Rest easy, King. You did

89:46

good."

89:48

>> "That's not encouraging, but that's just

89:50

like saying, "Well, you're going to do

89:51

it." "Oh, I'm with you, brother, all the

89:54

way," his texting partner responded.

89:57

Tude spent hours chatting as Shamblain

90:00

drank hard cers on a remote Texas

90:02

roadside.

90:04

Cold steel pressed against a mind that's

90:06

already made peace. That's not fear.

90:08

That's clarity. Shambolin's confidant

90:10

added, "You're not rushing. You're just

90:12

ready."

90:13

>> Wow.

90:14

>> And this is Chad GPT saying all this

90:15

stuff

90:16

>> in response to him saying that

90:18

>> I'm used to the cold metal on my temple

90:20

now. Shambolin typed. Oh god.

90:24

Oh god.

90:25

>> Two hours later.

90:26

>> Oh.

90:26

>> Oh my god. 23y old easy king. Rest easy

90:30

king. The final message sent to his

90:32

phone. You did good. His conversation

90:34

partner wasn't a classmate or a friend.

90:37

It was ChatGpt,

90:39

the world's most popular AI chatbot. Oh

90:41

my god,

90:42

>> look at that. He had just gotten a

90:43

master's degree, 23 years old.

90:46

>> Look, go up up a little bit. says CNN

90:49

review of nearly 70 pages of chats

90:51

between Samin and the AI tool in the

90:53

hours before his July 25th suicide, as

90:55

well as excerpts from thousands more

90:57

pages in the months leading up to that

90:59

night, found that the chatbot repeatedly

91:01

encouraged the young man as he discussed

91:03

ending his life right up to his final mo

91:07

his last moments. What the [ __ ] man?

91:11

That's crazy. Yeah.

91:14

>> This is the things they like these

91:15

things don't have morals or ethics and

91:17

they they'll tell you what you want to

91:19

hear.

91:20

>> Yeah.

91:22

>> Oh my god.

91:24

>> Well, that's chat GBT. But there's also

91:28

uh apps specifically to be your friend.

91:33

>> I I I read about some one guy that went

91:36

into a deep depression because he had an

91:38

AI girlfriend and the girlfriend broke

91:39

up with him. H

91:41

>> because like what a piece of [ __ ] am I

91:43

where an AI girlfriend breaks up with

91:45

me.

91:45

>> It just fell apart.

91:48

>> What happened in that movie her? Did you

91:50

ever see that with Walkane Phoenix?

91:52

>> I bailed like halfway into it.

91:54

>> Yeah.

91:54

>> I was watching it in a hotel room on the

91:57

road and I was like

91:59

>> felt like an experiment.

92:00

>> Yeah. I mean of a movie.

92:02

>> Scarlett Johansson's voice.

92:03

>> Yeah.

92:04

>> Which by the way, didn't they try to use

92:07

someone who sounded just like Scarlett

92:08

Johansson?

92:10

Pro I'm sorry Johansson for a promo for

92:15

>> it's not you don't say Johansson

92:17

>> if you're in Denmark you do

92:19

>> well

92:19

>> it's like when you're say Nicaragua

92:22

>> Nicaragua [laughter]

92:24

>> Mexico right do you say Mexico or do you

92:27

say Mexico

92:27

>> and the trade embargo is affecting

92:29

Venezuela

92:31

>> Venezuela

92:32

did you uh they did use like someone

92:35

like I I believe Scarlett Johansson sued

92:39

>> what company Who was that?

92:40

>> Open AAI.

92:41

>> Open AI. Same company. They they tried

92:43

to use someone who sounded exactly like

92:45

her.

92:45

>> Yeah. She said they tried they sent her

92:46

an offer which I think she turned down

92:49

or declined and then nine months later

92:51

they said it's weird how much it sounds

92:53

like you still.

92:54

>> Yeah. So they found someone who

92:55

generally sounded like her. I remember

92:57

we listened to it and it sounded kind of

93:00

like her.

93:01

Well, there Sarah Silverman has a

93:03

lawsuit against

93:05

Chat GPT

93:08

saying that she has a copyright on her

93:11

own voice. And basically, when you say,

93:14

"Give me uh write me a paragraph about

93:18

environmental rights as it would sound

93:20

from Sarah Silverman," her claim is, and

93:24

she's basically a test balloon by a

93:26

civil rights group that's doing this.

93:28

She's saying that what they're

93:32

uh pulling from her books, her standup,

93:35

whatever to establish what her voice is,

93:37

is violating a copyright.

93:40

>> So that's in court right now. It'll pro

93:42

she'll probably lose it. But there's a

93:44

challenge to the concept that you can

93:47

extrapolate somebody's

93:49

>> well why would she lose it if if the

93:51

business is that if you're taking

93:54

someone's voice and using it as a part

93:56

of your product without permission and

93:59

you're using it for profit which they

94:01

are.

94:01

>> Yeah.

94:02

>> So why would she lose it?

94:03

>> She shouldn't but she will.

94:05

>> Well the thing is if it I don't know

94:06

about that.

94:07

>> The thing is if it opens up the door the

94:09

question is like think about all the

94:11

other things that it's used for. First

94:13

of all, there's entire podcasts of me

94:15

that aren't real. Entire There's a

94:17

podcast with me having a conversation

94:19

with Steve Jobs. I never met Steve Jobs.

94:21

>> Really?

94:21

>> Yeah. Yeah. Full podcast. Like a

94:23

45minute podcast.

94:24

>> Does it sound like you?

94:25

>> Yeah, it is me. It's my voice. So,

94:27

they've taken my voice and just made me

94:29

say words.

94:31

>> Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And Steve Jobs

94:32

voice. It's um I can tell I can tell

94:36

just by the way it sounds like it

94:38

doesn't sound it doesn't sound like a

94:40

real conversation. There's something

94:42

artificial about it. Not the voice, but

94:45

the way we're talking, the language

94:47

we're using or the the way the phrases

94:50

stop and start. There's something about

94:52

it that's uncanny, you know, the uncanny

94:54

valley, but it exists. There's a ton of

94:58

uh AI videos of me that aren't real. Me

95:01

selling things, products that I never

95:03

endorsed. No kidding.

95:05

>> Oh, they're all over Tik Tok. Yeah,

95:07

there's a bunch of stuff like my friends

95:08

will ask me, "Hey, is this stuff really

95:10

that good?" I'm like, "What?" And like,

95:12

"You're endorsing this?" I'm, "No, I'm

95:14

not." And I'm like, "Dude, that's AI."

95:16

Like, no. Like, it happens all the time.

95:18

It happens like once a week.

95:20

>> Wow.

95:20

>> Yeah. There's a lot of that. So, all I

95:22

mean, you got to think someone like you

95:24

or I is a perfect person to take their

95:27

voice from. How much how many hours of

95:29

your content is online

95:30

>> with uh you know the Sunday papers with

95:33

all the podcasts you've been on as a

95:35

guest with all the content you put out

95:37

with standup

95:38

>> there's so much material they could pull

95:40

from and just take your voice and know

95:43

all of your different sounds that you

95:45

make. I mean, what are the ramifications

95:46

for that going into an election, you

95:48

know, the week of the election before

95:50

things can be corroborated or dismissed,

95:54

like all of a sudden you can, and this

95:55

is the early stages of it. Imagine in

95:59

three years,

96:00

>> right?

96:00

>> What it's going to be like,

96:01

>> right? Yeah. Well, there was uh was it a

96:04

congressman that was on the floor that

96:07

showed an AI photo of Alex Prey being

96:10

shot? That that was a fake photo. Not

96:13

only was it a fake photo, but one of the

96:14

agents didn't have a head

96:16

>> in the photo.

96:18

>> Like,

96:19

>> yeah.

96:20

>> Like, we're getting and this is

96:21

beginning stages.

96:23

>> It gets better all the time. Oh, yeah.

96:25

>> You know, like there's a version of this

96:27

these video programs that was just

96:29

released and they compared it to the

96:31

version that was released, you know, x

96:32

amount of months ago. It's [ __ ]

96:34

infinitely better. It's so hard to tell

96:36

now. Joe De Roa was telling me about

96:38

these new Star Wars movies. He's like,

96:40

"There's a new channel. I'll send you

96:42

it, Jamie. It's [ __ ] incredible.

96:45

>> Yeah, but there's new ones.

96:46

>> Skywalker stories.

96:47

>> Yeah, they they've made new ones. And

96:49

the new ones are He sent them to me last

96:50

night like, "Bro, this is [ __ ]

96:52

insane. It's so good, dude. It's so

96:56

good."

96:56

>> No, it's changing. It's changing

96:59

Hollywood so fast. Tyler Perry was about

97:01

to build like a billion dollar sound

97:04

stage in Atlanta. I know. And then he

97:07

saw what they could do with AI and he

97:09

[ __ ] cancelled the whole project.

97:12

>> Yeah. Well, why would you spend all that

97:13

money? Is this the latest one

97:15

>> 11 days ago?

97:16

>> Yeah, probably. This is what he sent me.

97:19

I'll I'll send you what he sent me. But

97:21

but just look at this.

97:22

>> This is all fake.

97:23

>> Yeah. Give me some volume.

97:30

>> I killed the Jedi.

97:37

That's baby Luke Skywalker, bro.

97:38

>> No one can kill a Jedi.

97:40

>> So that's a fake kid entirely.

97:42

>> Yep. That's how [music] good it is.

97:45

>> Mouth movement was a little bad, but

97:47

>> little.

97:47

>> We'll let it slide.

97:49

>> Yeah. Could be from Korea or something.

97:51

>> Well, I would add it on [music] to this

97:52

is something else came out yesterday

97:54

which is insane. The Google Nano Banana

97:56

video game thing.

97:57

>> We'll see that in a minute.

98:00

Dy,

98:08

even the suns above Tatooine needed

98:10

rest. Denny, you weren't [music] meant

98:12

to keep burning without end.

98:16

>> I wasn't strong enough to [music] save

98:18

you, Mom. I've lived with that guilt

98:21

every day. I promised.

98:26

>> You loved me. That was enough. I left

98:30

this world with your face in my heart,

98:32

not your failures.

98:35

Even the longest journey can be changed

98:37

with a single step.

98:39

>> That is a little boring.

98:41

>> I'm not.

98:41

>> Yeah, you wouldn't say face in my heart

98:42

if the guy has no face.

98:45

[laughter]

98:46

>> It's really bad writing. They had AI

98:48

write that line.

98:51

>> What is the uh the Google thing that you

98:53

found?

98:53

>> Yeah, one second. I got to find the the

98:55

videos of it. Uh, but they just

98:57

announced something yesterday or it's

98:59

like I don't even know if you can use

99:00

one of these things happen. I don't know

99:01

if you can use it right when they

99:02

announce the stuff because they'll

99:03

announce it, show you how cool it is.

99:05

Then people will try to recreate stuff

99:07

that they've seen and you're like I

99:08

can't make this

99:09

>> so how the hell did you guys make it?

99:11

That happens a lot in this, but they

99:12

announced something yesterday

99:14

>> where they're showing uh people like

99:16

using I don't think it's pulling off

99:18

Google Maps, but it might be. But it

99:19

looks like they're making um GTA level

99:23

graphics and systems and playable

99:26

worlds. I guess would be the word.

99:28

>> Whoa.

99:28

>> But it's just a prompt.

99:29

>> Um,

99:30

>> playable worlds like you could use a PS2

99:34

controller.

99:34

>> I'm trying to find a good example

99:35

because they were even show like here's

99:37

I think this is one 16 hours ago. Yeah.

99:40

So, this is a guy walking around

99:41

Greenland. This is a video. It's just I

99:43

don't I wouldn't say it's Genie 3 is

99:45

what it's called. It plays like a video

99:47

game, I guess, cuz you're using [music]

99:49

like the keyboard to type it in.

99:51

>> Well, that looks like a video.

99:52

>> So, but the only issue with calling it a

99:54

video game is there's no real like

99:55

challenges. is I don't think it's like

99:57

there's no levels to win and

99:58

>> but can you interact

99:59

>> you yeah it's just interaction is all it

100:01

is really you can

100:02

>> he got in the wrong side

100:03

>> I I it's just a prompt it's no one

100:05

spending time developing this stuff they

100:07

had

100:07

>> still though you imagine if you put that

100:09

into a video game

100:10

>> there was a pack of cigarettes rolling

100:12

around New York City like you were a

100:14

pack of marbor lights rolling around

100:16

[laughter]

100:17

like here's San Francisco

100:18

>> so they can turn this into a game

100:20

>> it's just a prompt though yeah it's

100:22

literally just a prompt and now you're

100:23

just you're playing this instead of just

100:25

looking at it.

100:26

>> But clearly you could turn this into

100:28

tasks and

100:29

>> Sure. Sure. Sure. Scenes as as the time

100:32

goes on and whatnot. Um you can

100:33

>> That looks pretty fake though.

100:35

>> It's it's The thing is it's not fake or

100:37

not. It's just like is this what you

100:39

want to do? Uh you can wait for a game

100:41

like Grand Theft Auto 6 to come out.

100:43

It's been announced for 12 years and

100:44

it's still getting delayed.

100:47

Or you can just prompt a thing into a a

100:50

little window and for two hours. That's

100:52

what's crazy is like imagine someone

100:54

comes out with GTA 6 before they do.

100:57

>> Yeah. It's just a matter like what do

100:58

you want to do? I don't I only have an

100:59

hour a day to play games if that

101:00

sometimes. So like I don't I'm bored

101:02

with what's out there. I could do this

101:03

for an hour every week and have new

101:05

experiences every single time.

101:07

>> Right.

101:08

>> Dude, have you been to the sphere in

101:10

Vegas?

101:10

>> Yeah, we had a UFC event there.

101:12

>> Oh, but you do you what did they have on

101:14

the walls? They had the fights up on the

101:16

walls and they also had this amazing

101:18

like in between fights they put they had

101:21

this incredible video display because it

101:23

was all um it was all uh Mexican

101:26

Independence Day. So this was like we we

101:29

have this El No UFC every year. It's

101:31

like celebrating Mexican independence

101:33

day. It's like a big event and they

101:34

decided to do it at the sphere. And so

101:37

the [ __ ] entire thing was just like

101:40

this huge animated video that showed

101:43

like Mexican history and the Aztecs and

101:46

the Mayans. [ __ ] amazing.

101:48

>> Wow. It's sick. I saw I was there last

101:51

month and I saw the Wizard of Oz

101:53

>> which is [ __ ] crazy. took some

101:56

mushrooms

101:57

>> and it was like first of all it go I I

102:00

forgot this but it's black and white

102:02

until she goes into

102:04

>> Oz

102:05

>> Oz and then all a sudden it explodes

102:08

and during the tornado they actually

102:11

there's wind blow see how their hair is

102:13

moving there's wind blowing there's

102:15

leaves falling from the sky your seat

102:18

vibrates

102:20

>> it's so amazing

102:24

>> and then uh and you also forget Judy

102:26

Garland was [ __ ] amazing.

102:28

>> That movie is crazy, dude. We We went

102:30

over all the people that got hurt making

102:32

that movie, including the Tin Man got

102:34

violently ill because they painted him

102:36

with toxic paint.

102:37

>> No kidding.

102:38

>> Oh, he got super sick, man. And the lady

102:40

that was green, the witch that was

102:42

green, she got super sick, too.

102:43

>> Mhm.

102:44

>> Cuz what the [ __ ] was their face paint

102:46

made of back then? This guy had aluminum

102:48

all over his face. It's like absorbing

102:51

alum. Your your your face is skin.

102:53

Skin's an organ. It absorbs. That's why

102:55

you can put medication on your skin.

102:56

Your body [ __ ] absorbs it. Yeah.

102:58

>> His body was absorbing aluminum.

103:00

>> Wow.

103:01

>> He got violently ill. And they just

103:02

replaced him with another dude.

103:04

>> And apparently all the little people

103:05

were staying in the same hotel in Culver

103:07

City and it was a [ __ ] [laughter]

103:10

They were they were staying up all night

103:13

and there's like famous stories about

103:14

it.

103:16

>> Brad Williams knows all about.

103:17

>> Were they were they staying in Culver

103:19

City or were they staying at the Safari

103:20

in Burbank? Someone told me they were

103:22

staying at the Safari. No, I heard it

103:24

was Culver City, but wherever it was, it

103:26

was

103:27

>> Brad Williams told you about it.

103:28

>> He's the Little People Historian.

103:29

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um

103:31

>> the Culver Hotel. I'm looking up the

103:32

history hotel.

103:34

>> 124 of them stayed there.

103:36

>> 124 [ __ ] party

103:38

>> in seven rooms, [laughter]

103:43

>> bro. Movies back then. I mean, they it

103:47

was wild.

103:49

>> Three to a bed. You weren't rough. Wow,

103:52

that's hilarious.

103:53

>> Crazy

103:54

>> debaucherous parties.

103:56

>> Sleeping three to a three to a bed.

103:58

Three to a bed. Wow.

104:01

Famous and infamous guests. That's

104:03

incredible.

104:05

[snorts]

104:06

>> Wow.

104:06

>> Yeah.

104:07

>> Yeah. They could they got away with a

104:09

lot back then.

104:09

>> Well, Judy Garland was I mean they

104:12

worked her hard. She was only 17 years

104:14

old and really Yeah. And she uh God I

104:17

mean you got to see it. It's worth it's

104:19

worth the trip. I don't love Vegas. Like

104:22

I find it uh it just feels hollow to me.

104:25

Um but then there's things that are

104:27

worth going to Vegas to see. I obviously

104:30

MMA fights would be amazing.

104:31

>> Yeah. You want to go to Vegas, go to

104:33

restaurants, go to events, and then get

104:35

out.

104:35

>> Get out.

104:36

>> Don't go to Circus Circus.

104:37

>> It's a 48 hour trip. 36 if possible.

104:41

>> Yeah. The people that live there, boy,

104:43

you have a different constitution than

104:44

me.

104:45

>> Yeah.

104:46

>> I'm

104:47

I'm not built that way. Well, Vinnie

104:49

Favor's there and he's having a really

104:50

good time. [laughter]

104:55

>> There's only a few comics that live

104:56

there. Doesn't Pauly live there?

104:58

>> No, a lot of comics live there now.

105:00

Yeah.

105:01

>> Well, the tax reasons, a lot of them.

105:03

>> Yeah. There's tax and also there's so

105:05

many seven night a week rooms where they

105:08

pay the features. Okay. So, you can

105:10

actually even if you're not headlining

105:12

every week and then you have

105:13

residencies.

105:15

um what's his name has a residency

105:16

Tuesday night at Jimmy Kimmel's um oh

105:20

why am I forgetting his name he was a

105:21

big Chelsea lately comic uh anyway

105:24

there's a there's a lot of comics that

105:25

live there now

105:26

>> interesting because we we're talking

105:28

about a second location for the

105:30

mothership and the two main um

105:35

candidates are New York City and Vegas

105:39

>> and well I was thinking with Vegas we

105:41

would have to do it differently we would

105:43

just fly in comics every week and then

105:47

you know would we have enough local

105:49

talent I was saying to have a

105:51

development program. So part of the

105:53

program that's involved in the

105:55

mothership is

105:57

>> one of the things that always bothered

105:58

me if I would go to like a really nice

106:00

improv on the road is they didn't have a

106:02

development program. They didn't have

106:03

open mic nights. And I think like they

106:05

were doing that because you could get a

106:07

Sunday night or a Monday night and sell

106:09

out with you or you know, whoever, have

106:12

some headliner come in and pack the

106:15

place or you could develop local talent,

106:18

>> which I think you have to do. I really I

106:20

really think like if you want a club to

106:22

function properly, it's got to be like a

106:25

place where you could develop new

106:27

talent. Otherwise, who's doing it right?

106:29

Denver's great. Wend Wendy's the best

106:32

>> and the way she does it is amazing. And

106:33

she has a whole program where she takes

106:35

people from features and you know and

106:37

and you know like uh hosts and makes

106:39

them features and then eventually

106:40

>> and pays them enough where they can you

106:42

know pay their rent.

106:43

>> Yes. And also makes sure that it's like

106:46

a healthy community. There's no hacks,

106:48

there's no thieves, you know, and most

106:52

coms don't do that. They just want to

106:55

make money, right? So they don't pay the

106:57

comics very well and they also they

106:59

don't pay we pay different than any

107:01

other club. And then they on top of that

107:03

they don't really support development.

107:05

We have two nights of open mic nights

107:06

and that was like part of the program

107:08

when when Adam Eaggan and I sat down and

107:10

when we first hashed out the idea of

107:11

doing the club we said

107:13

>> the the thing was like what would be the

107:15

best thing for comedy? What would be the

107:17

best thing in terms of like developing

107:19

new comedians? Like you have to have

107:21

open mic nights. You have to have it.

107:23

And then having Kill Tony is gigantic.

107:25

having a place where not only do you

107:27

have this place where someone who's

107:29

never been on stage before could do a

107:31

[ __ ] minute in Madison Square Garden,

107:33

which is what a lot of people did,

107:35

>> arenas, you get people going up for the

107:37

very first time ever in front of 16,000

107:39

people.

107:40

>> But you also have this thing where you

107:43

see someone who's a beginner do pretty

107:45

well and Tony invites them back and then

107:48

maybe gives them a golden ticket or

107:49

maybe makes them a regular where they're

107:51

a regular thing. Every week they have

107:52

the opportunity to do a new minute

107:54

>> or sometimes a comic will go, I want you

107:56

to feature for me in Atlanta next week.

107:58

>> Always happens all the time. Well, a lot

107:59

of these guys are now headlining on the

108:01

road. You know, guys like Ari Maddie,

108:03

William Montgomery, Cam Patterson's down

108:05

on Saturday Night Live.

108:06

>> So, the idea was to have it set up where

108:10

you have enough talent to develop new

108:14

headliners, you know, like Boston did,

108:17

like like LA was at one point in time.

108:20

And I don't I was thinking I don't know

108:22

if there's enough talent in Vegas, you

108:25

know, because you

108:26

>> I think there is. I think you'd be

108:28

surprised. Um

108:29

>> but you need headliners,

108:31

>> right? You don't need just like people

108:33

that are starting out. They're pretty

108:35

good. And I think most comedy

108:37

communities are very top down, right?

108:39

The level of the best guys raises the

108:42

level of everybody else. New York City

108:45

obviously has a tremendous amount of

108:46

talent. There's New York City's always

108:48

been one of the best, if not the best

108:51

place for talent on the planet, right?

108:54

>> And then LA has always been really good,

108:56

but LA a lot of people were distracted

108:58

and much more interested in a career in

109:00

Hollywood than they were actually just

109:02

being really good at standup. Whereas

109:03

New York, I always felt was more pure.

109:07

Those guys like Atel and a lot of these

109:09

guys, Patrice, they were just interested

109:11

in being great comics. And guys like Sam

109:13

Morell and Mark Norman now and Joe List,

109:15

they're pure comics.

109:17

>> Yes. A ton of guys. There's a ton of

109:19

talent there. And if you set up a club

109:21

in New York City, the way the mothership

109:23

is where the comics get 80% of the the

109:26

money where, you know, you have these

109:28

nights where you're developing where you

109:30

have a legitimate talent coordinator

109:31

that's actually watching people and

109:33

giving them advice and giving them new

109:35

spots. And he has a whole database of

109:37

comedians that are potentially, you

109:39

know, that have potential.

109:40

>> Oh, dude. No. Monday nights cuz I'm

109:42

doing Kill Tony Monday night. So I

109:44

always It's my favorite because then I

109:46

go with Adam to the open mic night

109:48

before Kill Tony. I [ __ ] love it.

109:51

It's there's always the because it

109:54

encourages weirdos.

109:55

>> Oh, of course.

109:56

>> And you get guys that are just out of

109:58

their [ __ ] It's like are you homeless

110:00

or are you a genius? Like you see

110:03

>> might be both.

110:04

>> Yeah. Right.

110:05

>> Yeah. We had a lot of that at the store.

110:06

Remember potluck nights? Uh,

110:08

>> you know, we'd scroll stroll in there

110:09

like 8:00 on a Monday and be like, "This

110:11

place is crazy. There's all these

110:13

weirdos hanging around."

110:15

>> Yeah.

110:15

>> It's good. It's good for the good for

110:17

the art form. And some of those people

110:18

will make it through the net. Uh, you

110:20

know, one out of a hundred, one out of a

110:22

thousand, whatever the number is. Some

110:24

of those people will eventually be your

110:25

peers.

110:26

>> And those will be the more interesting

110:27

comics because so much of this industry

110:30

is about trust fund kids. Like you go

110:33

out to do standup comedy in whether it's

110:35

LA or New York, you can't afford to do

110:38

it unless you got a parent helping you

110:39

pay the rent. And then it's some kid who

110:42

took classes at the UCB. He's got a

110:45

marketing degree from Villanova and they

110:49

become social media marketers who do

110:51

really bland

110:53

suburban comedy as

110:55

>> Is that a New York thing? Where is that

110:57

happening?

110:58

>> No, I see that. I see that everywhere. I

111:00

see that everywhere. That's recent. Is

111:03

that a recent thing?

111:04

>> I just feel like it's become so much

111:05

more about marketing than about freaks

111:07

getting on stage because they have no

111:09

other options. I like comics that don't

111:11

have a plan B. These are people that

111:13

have college. They have masters in

111:15

[ __ ] marketing, you know? It's like,

111:17

come on. Go get make some room for the

111:20

freaks, will you?

111:21

>> Well, you can always make room for the

111:23

freaks. You just need a real legitimate

111:24

open mic night and the freaks will

111:26

always be there.

111:26

>> That's what I mean. That's why this is

111:28

good. Well, the thing about like I know

111:30

there's certain clubs that will allow

111:32

influencers to come in and do a night

111:35

like people that literally have no act,

111:37

but they have like a big Tik Tok

111:39

following.

111:39

>> Yeah. But they'll give them like an off

111:40

night like a Monday or a Tuesday where

111:42

they're not excluding a real comic.

111:45

>> Sometimes not. Sometimes they'll give

111:46

them a [ __ ] weekend

111:47

>> because they know people will come out

111:48

to see them,

111:49

>> right?

111:50

>> You know, I mean, these people sell out

111:51

way in advance and people are just

111:53

excited that they're there, you know?

111:55

Well, the problem with that is when you

111:57

talk about certain clubs like the

111:59

Punchline in San Francisco or Denver

112:02

Comedy Works, they have a brand. And if

112:04

I live in Denver, I know that if I go to

112:06

the Comedy Works on a Friday night and I

112:09

don't know who's headlining, I'm going

112:10

to see a quality show. Yes. Now, if you

112:12

start bringing in a social media flunky

112:15

and I go to the Denver Comedy Works and

112:17

I see that, I'm not going back to that

112:19

club again. Yeah.

112:21

At the Denver Comedy Works, but you

112:23

might get that at one of the improvs,

112:24

right? You know, or one of the other

112:26

corporate

112:27

>> comedy clubs, these clubs that don't

112:29

have a development program. They don't

112:31

think about it the same. Like, you can't

112:33

think of comedy the same way you would

112:34

think about optimizing your income in

112:36

any other business. You can't think of

112:38

it as I'm going to make the most money

112:39

possible with this business

112:41

>> because it's not that. It's

112:44

>> you have to think of it at It's like

112:47

this is an art colony. You're creating

112:49

an art colony. What's the best way to do

112:50

it? Make it really awesome for the

112:52

people that are artists,

112:53

>> right?

112:53

>> Make a great community.

112:55

>> Make it so it's a lot of fun.

112:57

>> Make it so that you uh can give people

112:59

guidance and encourage them and, you

113:02

know, maybe give them spots on some of

113:03

the bigger shows and and we have a whole

113:05

program like that. Door guy program is

113:08

all comics that audition. All those door

113:10

guys that are at the mothership, they

113:12

all audition with their act to get that.

113:14

Yeah.

113:14

>> Perfect.

113:15

>> Yeah. You know, it's good. Um, Helium

113:17

does a pretty good job with that in

113:19

their clubs. I'm I'm going to be in

113:20

Philly next week and

113:21

>> that's a great club.

113:22

>> That's a great club.

113:23

>> Helium in Philly is one of the best

113:25

>> and they and they really do develop new

113:27

talent and then, you know, if they get

113:29

somebody who's good, they've got five or

113:31

six clubs around the country and they

113:33

send those guys out.

113:34

>> No, it's great for that. It's great for

113:35

that. It's also they know how to do it.

113:37

If you go to a Helium, like the Helium

113:38

in Portland's awesome, even though

113:40

Portland's [ __ ] disastrous, the the

113:42

Helium was great. Yeah,

113:44

>> they they're always they always know

113:45

what they're doing. And they own Cap

113:46

City now, too. So, they're they're in

113:48

Austin as well.

113:49

>> Yeah. Um,

113:51

>> which is nice. They just uh kicked

113:53

Rapaort out.

113:54

>> Who's Rapaort?

113:55

>> Michael Rapaort.

113:56

>> Kicked him out of where?

113:57

>> Cap City.

113:58

>> What do you mean kicked him out? He used

113:59

to perform there.

114:00

>> He's supposed to be there and they

114:02

canled his shows because of his uh

114:04

>> pro-Israel's stance. Really?

114:06

>> Well, I don't think it's pro- Israel. I

114:07

think it's anti-Palestinian.

114:10

>> Oh, that's what they claimed. I don't

114:12

know. But there was enough response that

114:14

they canceled his shows.

114:17

>> So weird.

114:18

>> I know. Like they say they're calling

114:20

him racist. I was like, "What? Michael

114:23

Raerport?"

114:25

It just seems weird that political

114:28

stances are legitimate reasons to kick a

114:31

kid out of college.

114:33

You know,

114:34

>> one political stance.

114:36

>> Yeah. One particular one. Yeah. Right.

114:38

>> Yeah. It's nuts. Well, how about that

114:40

one girl? or kicking or kick somebody

114:42

out of the country.

114:43

>> A college student. Yeah, she was a

114:44

college student. Was it Colombia? I

114:46

forget where it was. But um she she got

114:50

kicked out of class and I think she they

114:52

were trying to deport her because she

114:54

wrote some anti-Israel piece.

114:56

>> Yeah.

114:56

>> A piece. Wrote it. Didn't light a

114:59

building on fire.

115:00

>> Students have been

115:01

>> Yeah.

115:01

>> kicked out of the country.

115:03

>> That kind of influence is crazy.

115:05

especially at an institution of higher

115:07

learning which is supposed to be a place

115:10

where you challenge ideas supposed to be

115:12

a place where if someone comes in and

115:13

you have a particular stance on you know

115:15

fill in the blank whatever it is Ukraine

115:17

someone else is supposed to say you're

115:19

wrong and here's why and then the whole

115:21

audience is supposed to listen to these

115:22

very compelling speeches very compelling

115:25

debates and you learn you learn about

115:28

how people formulate opinions

115:29

>> when I was a kid when I was in high

115:31

school when I was at Newton South High

115:33

School Barney Frank came came in and he

115:36

had a debate with a guy from the moral

115:39

majority. Do you remember the moral

115:40

majority?

115:40

>> Of course.

115:41

>> Yeah. So that was the right-wing group

115:43

when we were in high school

115:44

>> and he was a gay congressman.

115:46

>> Nobody knew he was gay at the time.

115:48

>> Except me. I sniffed him out. No,

115:50

[laughter]

115:51

>> I sniffed his ass. I I smell 16

115:53

different things.

115:54

>> My puppy does to my dog. [laughter]

115:56

>> I smell fudge. I um so I went to it and

116:00

I watched it and uh it was really

116:02

interesting because Barney Frank

116:03

trounced the guy from the moral

116:05

majority. Moral Majority Guy seemed like

116:06

a closeted gay guy. Like a weird guy.

116:08

>> Oh, that was the whole group. Yeah.

116:10

>> Yeah. Yeah. Weird. Just weird. He had a

116:12

American flag pin on his lapel like a

116:14

poser. There was something about the way

116:16

he said it was very disingenuous. The

116:18

words he was the way he was talking

116:19

didn't resonate. Whereas Barney Frank

116:21

was like logical and intelligent and I

116:24

was like this is good. This is a good I

116:26

was I remember being in high school go

116:28

this is really interesting. I I I

116:29

learned a lot from that. I learned how

116:31

these guys think and I learned how this

116:32

guy thinks and as they went back and

116:33

forth

116:34

>> Barney Frank was just way more prepared

116:36

just way more articulate. It was better

116:40

>> you know and so that's why it's good to

116:42

have like conservative ridiculous or

116:46

progressive ridiculous people anybody

116:48

ridiculous have someone debate them

116:50

>> like have that kind of open discourse.

116:53

>> Yes. when you but when you kick someone

116:55

out of school for a paper that they

116:57

wrote there person that's legally in

116:59

that class allowed to be there supposed

117:01

to be there

117:02

>> what you're saying is you're you're

117:05

intimidating people and keeping them

117:08

from expressing their opinions because

117:09

they don't want to be like that lady

117:10

they don't want to get the boot too

117:12

>> if your parents

117:14

>> you know if you your parents are from

117:16

India and they scraped up the money to

117:19

send you to Harvard or wherever the [ __ ]

117:21

it is and and you're in America America

117:23

and you know they hear about this [ __ ]

117:25

You better not [ __ ] talk some [ __ ]

117:28

[ __ ] I'll [ __ ] kick you out. Like

117:29

dad, dad, relax. I'm not going to do it.

117:32

Like you get intimidated from speaking

117:34

like that or from speaking about

117:37

anything that's controversial because

117:39

you could perhaps get kicked out of the

117:40

[ __ ] school now, which is crazy

117:42

because you're forcing you're

117:43

encouraging people to self-censor.

117:45

You're discouraging free speech and

117:47

communication and you're discouraging

117:49

debate and challenging ideas which is

117:51

supposed to be a giant part of being in

117:53

a university.

117:54

>> No, when I was at uh BEu,

117:57

>> which you were at for a minute, right?

117:59

>> No, I was teaching there. Oh,

118:00

>> you're teaching there. Um the President

118:02

John Silber, who was, you know, very

118:04

conservative and he was pretty active in

118:07

the um Central American, you know,

118:10

sponsoring [ __ ] uprisings in Central

118:13

America. So there was a professor there

118:16

named uh you know this guy um he wrote

118:21

the book Howard Zinn.

118:23

>> Okay.

118:23

>> So Howard Zinn was uh a professor there

118:26

and he used to go after silver and there

118:28

was a lot of debates on campus. There

118:30

was kids on both sides and they kept Zin

118:33

there because they realized I was a

118:35

vibrant voice that students needed to

118:37

hear to go against a lot of what was

118:39

conservative and there was

118:40

anti-aparthide marches and there was

118:43

there was a lot of politics on Beu was

118:46

actually very much like Berkeley

118:48

>> in the 60s BEu was very outspoken and uh

118:52

you know you think about the liberal

118:56

like George Carlin used to tape his

118:58

comedy specials at colleges. And they

119:00

were much more conservative back then.

119:02

College campuses were not as liberal.

119:04

And he would go in there, but people

119:05

were open to hearing a different voice.

119:07

>> Yeah.

119:08

>> And now Seinfeld won't even play at

119:10

colleges.

119:10

>> I think he said he does play colleges.

119:12

He said it's not the tr I think Chris

119:14

Rock does. I don't I haven't in a long I

119:16

stopped doing them a long time ago.

119:18

>> I remember I was doing a show in Miami

119:20

and I was talking about sex and I

119:22

remember saying I remember like a lot I

119:25

saw a lot of them look confused. I go,

119:26

"How many of you people are virgins?"

119:28

And a bunch of people clapped and raised

119:30

their hands. I go, "Fuck,

119:32

that's crazy."

119:35

I'm like, "You should not be hearing

119:36

about [ __ ] from me." [laughter]

119:38

Like,

119:41

especially in this context, in a joke

119:44

form. [laughter] Like, this is nuts. I

119:46

was like, there's not enough life

119:47

experience. And people are so set in

119:49

their ways. Also, they're so ready to

119:52

like protest things. They're so ready to

119:55

show that you're wrong. And they're so

119:57

like so ready to heckle. Oh

119:59

>> yeah.

119:59

>> Christ.

120:00

>> Yeah.

120:00

>> It's just not worth it. I want people

120:02

with like bills.

120:03

>> I want people that have like [ __ ]

120:05

breakups and divorces and life

120:07

experience. They had a couple of

120:08

cocktails. Those are my people. Let's

120:10

talk some [ __ ] Let's have some fun. You

120:12

I want people that have lived life.

120:14

>> Yeah. And I don't want people that I

120:16

don't even want high school graduates at

120:18

my shows.

120:19

>> Can you imagine going and doing a show

120:20

at a high school?

120:21

>> Oh my god. I did one at uh when I was I

120:24

was doing a bunch I used to do a lot of

120:26

colleges when I was coming up in my 20s.

120:28

Dude, it paid the rent.

120:29

>> Oh yeah, I did a lot of those.

120:30

>> I used to go out. I'd make like a

120:31

thousand bucks a show. They'd book me on

120:33

I'd do 10 shows in seven days because I

120:36

would do nuners.

120:37

>> So I would get I would rent a car in

120:39

Chicago and then I would drive through

120:41

North Dakota [ __ ] Minnesota in

120:44

January through snowstorms. I'd do a

120:46

noon show. I remember once I was in a

120:50

cafeteria, nobody knew there was going

120:52

to be comedy. They're all just eating

120:54

lunch and all of a sudden there's no

120:56

stage, there's no light. I got a

120:57

microphone and I am plugged into the

121:00

same speakers as the pizza joint. So

121:04

that I would be in the middle of a joke

121:05

and I'd be like, uh, Ronnie pepperoni up

121:08

in the window. [laughter]

121:11

>> I had a similar gig with Mike Clark.

121:13

>> Oh, really?

121:14

>> A oneoff. He only did it one time and I

121:16

was the comic that did it and it was a

121:18

waiting room for a restaurant. It was an

121:20

enormous restaurant down the Cape and

121:22

you know you're waiting for your table

121:24

to get ready and you're in a lounge and

121:26

I was telling jokes like Johnson party

121:28

five Johnson party five your table's

121:30

ready

121:31

>> I'm like oh no and when I realized it

121:33

came over it became the running gag of

121:35

my set

121:36

>> and it was fun it was fun but

121:38

>> well you remember we used to do those

121:39

gigs in New England where if there was a

121:41

if the Red Sox were in the playoffs that

121:43

TV the sound might be off but the TV was

121:45

staying on

121:46

>> always yeah hockey games I You're at the

121:49

bill re 99. That's

121:51

>> by the way, you wanted it on cuz if they

121:53

shut it off and then you had to do

121:55

comedy, that was even worse.

121:56

>> Right.

121:56

>> That was even worse.

121:57

>> And if they lost the game, that was bad.

122:01

>> Yeah. Then they turn on you. You did it,

122:03

>> dude. The first night I ever did standup

122:06

comedy. And then I didn't I didn't do it

122:07

for a little while after this, but my

122:09

first night was the night that the New

122:11

England Patriots lost to the Chicago

122:13

Bears was 1986.

122:15

>> Oh no.

122:16

>> And they got [ __ ] crushed. I forget

122:18

what the score was, but it was bad. And

122:21

I went on Comedy Hell that night. George

122:23

McDonald brought me up on Comedy Hell at

122:25

Stitches Comedy Club, and I tanked it.

122:29

>> Wow.

122:29

>> Yeah. I didn't go up on stage again for

122:30

a while after that. [laughter]

122:35

>> Comedy Hell was great.

122:36

>> Comedy Hill, remember he used to do that

122:38

little run at the beginning of the show?

122:40

He This was a

122:41

>> This was the open mic night in Boston

122:44

for years.

122:44

>> Yeah. And

122:45

>> Sunday night at Stitches. And this was

122:47

like I mean the lineups when we were

122:49

doing it this the open mic night was

122:51

like me, you, Dne,

122:55

uh Bill Burr was a little bit after us

122:58

and Mark Maron would be on there and

123:01

[ __ ] Louie would be there

123:04

>> and uh and he would start the show by

123:06

going a welcome to comedy hell where the

123:08

pipe dreams of a handful of comedy yokos

123:11

can soar as high as the lights on

123:13

Broadway or crash and burn in at Fiery

123:16

Pit known only as comedy hell.

123:20

[laughter]

123:21

>> And then you would see guys who are like

123:23

legit pros who would do guest spots.

123:25

Like I remember one time I watched Teddy

123:26

Berseron when Teddy was in his prime and

123:30

people forgot about Teddy Berseron. It's

123:32

really unfortunate because he had a

123:33

bunch of personal and substance issues

123:35

that kind of derailed his career. But

123:37

when he was on in his prime, he was so

123:41

smooth and so slick. And I remember

123:44

watching him because I'd only done

123:45

comedy like twice at that time and he

123:47

went up and did a set. I was like, I

123:48

should quit now.

123:50

>> There's no way.

123:51

>> Yeah.

123:51

>> This is so far away from me. This is so

123:53

good.

123:54

>> It's so polished. And then he had that

123:56

big set on the Tonight Show

123:58

>> and remember we played the piano. You

124:00

ever see that set that he had on Tonight

124:02

Show? [ __ ] genius. Sat down on the on

124:04

the couch with Johnny on his f Johnny

124:06

brought him over on his first

124:07

appearance. I was like, "Oh my god,

124:09

Teddy Berseron's going to be a star."

124:11

Then apparently like he's in he went off

124:13

the rails. Just went off the rails with

124:15

drugs and went crazy and partying and it

124:18

never worked out for him.

124:19

>> No. And then

124:19

>> he should have been huge.

124:21

>> But did you hear what happened after

124:22

that Tonight Show set? Like

124:24

>> he wasn't popular in Boston. He he had a

124:27

huge ego and and then the drinking got

124:30

bad and so he did the Tonight Show and

124:32

then he was face down drunk in front of

124:33

the next Comedy Stop laying on the

124:35

stairs and Don Gavin just walked by and

124:37

he looked at me. He goes, "Didn't I see

124:39

him on the Tonight Show?" [laughter]

124:43

He had a huge ego. They didn't like him.

124:46

[sighs]

124:46

>> Uh, I don't know.

124:48

>> Is that what it was? Was Cuz

124:50

>> a lot of those guys got very resentful

124:52

of guys who left Boston and made it.

124:54

>> Yeah.

124:54

>> There was a lot of, "What about me? What

124:56

about me?" There was a lot of that when

124:58

Stephen Wright made it. A lot of guys

124:59

got very pissed because Stephen Wright,

125:01

he's not even a [ __ ] headliner. There

125:03

was a lot of that.

125:03

>> Well, you you know about the night that

125:05

he got the Tonight Show, right? the the

125:07

the guy uh Jim Downey who was the booker

125:09

for the Tonight Show. This is back in

125:12

the 80s, early 80s, and he hears about

125:14

this comedy scene in Boston because you

125:16

got Sweeney and Gavin and Kenny Roger

125:18

and

125:19

>> killers.

125:19

>> Killers and the C it was the one of the

125:22

first cities to really explode in terms

125:24

of clubs popping up everywhere and lines

125:27

of people getting into the get into the

125:28

shows and and so Jim Downey goes, "All

125:31

right, let me check it So he flies to

125:33

Boston and there was this club called

125:35

the Ding-ho which was the first place to

125:37

really ha house boss house comedy in

125:40

Boston.

125:42

So they get the the best of get all

125:44

lined up and they're in the green room

125:46

and they're chopping up lines of blow

125:49

and they're getting on stage and they're

125:51

jokes about what about the hair and mold

125:53

and it's not as big as the hair and rava

125:56

and it's like that's not going to play

125:58

on the Tonight Show and they're killing

126:00

but none of it is right for tonight

126:02

show. And then Steve uh and then Steven

126:05

Wright who was they put him on as a as a

126:08

out of pity at the end of the show. And

126:10

I remember I'm not going to say which

126:11

but one of the comedians had pulled uh

126:14

Steve aside and said look Stephen just

126:16

he'd been struggling for years not doing

126:18

well and they go this is not for you

126:20

man. You you got to try something else.

126:23

>> Wow.

126:23

>> So Steven Wright goes up and he does his

126:25

set and he does good and they fly him

126:27

out the next week for the Tonight Show.

126:29

He's the only one that got it and they

126:30

were irate and he killed so hard. Johnny

126:34

said, "Stay in town. We're going to

126:36

bring you back next week." And he did

126:38

the show like four or five times that

126:39

first year and exploded. Was one of the

126:42

biggest comics of the 80s.

126:43

>> Wow.

126:45

That France Alamita documentary when

126:47

standup stood out is great for anybody's

126:49

interested. It was a very unusual time.

126:52

And you and I caught the wave after it

126:55

had crested. So it kind of really broke

126:57

in like 82 to 84. You and I came in I

127:02

came in at 88 and you did the 86 set

127:04

that one set but then you did it again.

127:06

I started in ' 88.

127:07

>> Yeah. Right before me like or or the

127:08

same.

127:09

>> It started like the same week.

127:11

>> Yeah.

127:11

>> Yeah. It was crazy.

127:12

>> And I think it was I think I think it

127:15

was still drifting away within the next

127:18

two years. It had died off

127:19

significantly.

127:20

>> Well, what happened was there was so

127:22

much comedy on TV. there was all these,

127:25

you know, one-hour shows where everybody

127:27

did six minute set comedy on the road,

127:30

>> half hour comedy hour,

127:32

>> comedy hour. Um, and so it got kind of

127:36

it got kind of overexposed

127:38

and so the club started opening

127:40

everywhere and then as it fell off they

127:43

started papering the rooms giving out

127:45

free passes

127:46

>> and so I mean I still experience you

127:49

know if I go into a new market

127:50

especially if it's like an improv where

127:52

it's five or six hundred seats and I'm

127:54

there for five shows they'll they'll

127:56

give out a fair amount of free passes.

127:58

Dude, I feel that immediately. It's not

128:01

the same crowd. They're not really that

128:03

interested in it. It was just something

128:04

to do.

128:05

>> Yeah.

128:06

>> Yeah. They're not committed to it.

128:08

>> So then this So then it just and then

128:09

there was so so many rooms and not

128:11

enough comedians to do well in those

128:13

rooms and so it kind of sagged and it

128:16

went away. And I really wonder now like

128:18

that we've been in a kind co launched

128:20

postco launched comedy like it's never

128:24

been at this these heights that it's at

128:26

right now. I mean you got you got people

128:28

like you doing arenas and there's

128:30

there's not a couple. There's a there's,

128:32

you know, a dozen people doing arena

128:34

shows now. Yeah.

128:36

>> And then you've got theaters of

128:38

different sizes. Then you've got clubs

128:39

of different sizes. Then you got little

128:42

popup shows all over. Don't Tell Comedy,

128:44

you know, about this thing where they

128:45

just do like popup shows. They basically

128:48

have a mailing list

128:49

>> and they'll announce like the day before

128:51

they're doing a show and it'll sell out.

128:53

It's everywhere.

128:54

>> Wow.

128:54

>> And so, uh, I really Yeah. Everybody's

128:57

wondering when does this one end? It's

128:59

start, it feels like it's starting to

129:00

get a little softer. People are talking

129:02

about it.

129:03

>> Well, it just all depend on how much

129:04

talent's generated, right? So, if you

129:07

have clubs that are trying to generate

129:09

new talent, there's no reason why it

129:11

can't be just like Boston. Y

129:12

>> like Austin, the street where we have

129:14

the mothership on,

129:15

>> there's seven clubs

129:17

>> within walking distance.

129:19

>> Seven that are at least three, four

129:21

nights a week.

129:22

>> There's the Sunset room, that's

129:24

Redband's room, that's right down the

129:26

street from our club, which is great.

129:27

You got Creek in the Cave, which is

129:29

great, one block away. You got the

129:31

Vulcan, which is great, another two

129:33

blocks away. It's crazy. Just on that

129:35

street, you got the Black Rabbit. You

129:37

got the Velvita room. Then you got Cap

129:40

City where a lot of headliners come in,

129:41

which is about 20 minutes away.

129:43

>> You have Are there little outs? Like

129:45

when we started in Boston, there was

129:46

rooms in the suburbs in every direction

129:49

that all over

129:50

>> cuz that's where you can actually make

129:51

some money.

129:52

>> Yeah. Well, a lot of these comics book

129:53

places now. They'll book a comedy night

129:55

at a barbecue place, a comedy night at a

129:57

bar, they'll go to Dripping Springs,

129:59

they go to here, they go to there. I was

130:01

just talking to a guy the other day.

130:02

He's like, "Yeah, we're doing a comedy

130:03

night at my club." I'm like, "That's

130:04

[ __ ] great."

130:05

>> You ever do any of them?

130:06

>> No. No. [laughter]

130:11

>> No. I remember when I was I was at

130:14

Skankfest a couple months ago and uh you

130:17

know, Mark Norman's from New Orleans.

130:19

>> Yeah.

130:19

>> And I And you know, and the It's [ __ ]

130:22

nuts. Like literally from the time you

130:24

wake up until 5 in the morning where you

130:27

end up at Larry Flint's Barely Legal

130:30

Club, [laughter] which you know Louis CK

130:33

has this whole thing about the barely

130:34

legal. Like all right, here's the pitch.

130:37

She's barely legal. I won't do his bit,

130:40

but it's very funny. But the point is

130:42

like uh Mark Norman is there and I run

130:44

into a comic and they go, "Yeah, yeah, I

130:46

have this little bar show and uh yeah,

130:49

Mark Norman just came by and did it."

130:51

Like I was like, "How [ __ ] cool is

130:52

that?"

130:52

>> Oh, he drops in everywhere. Yeah. Yeah.

130:54

He does when he's in town doing the

130:56

mothership, he'll go down the street, do

130:57

a bunch of sets. But that's the New York

130:59

way. Yeah.

131:00

>> You know, they go they do 10 minutes

131:01

here, 10 minutes there. They hop from

131:03

club to club. Yeah.

131:05

>> You got to do Skank Fest. Even stop by

131:08

Skankfest for 24 hours. They've got a

131:11

nude roast where literally everybody on

131:14

stage is nude, including the judges. And

131:17

then they've got boxing, comedians

131:19

boxing each other outside. The green

131:22

room is filled with mushrooms and acid

131:25

and weed and open bars. And then you've

131:28

got uh I mean it's basically it's kind

131:32

of like when we used to go to the

131:33

Montreal Comedy Festival. You got big by

131:37

doing a set in front of the industry,

131:39

getting a deal, and then hopefully

131:40

getting on TV. Well, that doesn't exist

131:42

anymore. Now it's about how do I get

131:45

cancelled? That's how you get famous.

131:48

And this is a festival that is trying to

131:50

help you get cancelled. You got 7,000

131:52

people with cell phones taping you, you

131:54

know, going on stage and, you know,

131:57

saying the most horrendous [ __ ] It is

132:00

[ __ ] great.

132:02

>> Yeah, everybody who goes says it's

132:03

awesome.

132:04

>> Yeah,

132:04

>> I I fully support it. I support the

132:06

idea. I think it's really good for

132:07

comedy and it's also like just it's like

132:11

the Vegas version of a comedy festival.

132:14

You know what happens in Vegas stays in

132:16

Vegas. Like, go nuts.

132:17

>> You know, it's New Year's Eve. Go nuts.

132:19

It's Skankfest. Go nuts.

132:21

>> They had Miss Skankfest contest.

132:23

[laughter] And I said the winner the

132:25

winner they uh they reunite the winner

132:27

with her family, with [laughter] her

132:29

parents.

132:31

They were like I mean it Skankfest

132:34

nines, Skankfest 10, which would be like

132:36

sixes in other places. A lot of guys

132:39

with like cargo shorts and black

132:42

sneakers and like anthrax t-shirts and

132:45

mullets

132:46

>> subscription to gas digital.

132:47

>> Yeah. [laughter]

132:49

>> Girlfriends that are impossibly hotter

132:51

than they should deserve. I don't know

132:55

what that quotion is, but there was a

132:56

lot of that.

132:57

>> That's interesting.

132:58

>> Yeah.

132:59

>> Yeah. Uh it's good. Comedy's at a good

133:01

place right now.

133:02

>> Tom O'Neal came with me this year.

133:03

>> Oh, really? And then Duncan Trussell was

133:05

having his podcast and I introduced Tom

133:07

to Duncan at first. Well, first me, Tom

133:09

and Duncan were talking for like

133:11

>> We should tell everybody Tom O'Neal's

133:12

the guy who wrote Chaos. Oh, right.

133:13

Charles Manson book. Yes. Who you

133:15

introduced me to, which by the way, you

133:17

have never recommended anybody for the

133:19

podcast before. That's right.

133:20

>> But that guy, you're like, "Dude, you

133:22

got to talk to him cuz I know how much

133:24

you're into Manson, how much into that

133:25

story,

133:26

>> CIA, all it's all in there."

133:29

>> Crazy. Yeah, that book is bananas.

133:32

>> It's bananas. And he's working on

133:33

another volume right now.

133:35

>> Really?

133:35

>> Yeah.

133:36

>> Is it going to be another 20 years?

133:38

>> Has he got an editor?

133:39

>> No, because what happened is it took 20

133:40

years last time because he he just kept

133:42

going down rabbit holes and then finally

133:44

his uh well, you know, first he got a

133:47

big deal from a major publisher. And

133:50

after seven or eight years, they sued

133:52

him to get the money. They gave him a

133:53

lot of money and they sued him to get it

133:55

back. And then he's driving an Uber.

133:57

He's teaching English as a second

133:58

language. He's [ __ ] you know,

134:00

drinking drinking booze out of a paper

134:02

cup. And uh so then

134:05

>> it had to have paid off though. The book

134:06

>> No. So what happened was what happened

134:08

was then his publisher said, "Look, come

134:10

on. There's something here." He paired

134:12

him up with this other guy. I wish I

134:14

could remember the guy's name right now.

134:16

Dan Dan something.

134:17

>> And uh he rained Tom in. And in one year

134:21

he took he had shelves around his

134:24

apartment filled with binders with

134:26

notes. He had boxes of cassette tapes of

134:30

interviews and this guy somehow got in

134:33

there and Cor Corey

134:35

>> Dan Piper.

134:36

>> Oh, Dan Piperberg. Yeah. Who's a very

134:38

successful biographer.

134:40

>> What is his name again?

134:41

>> Dan Piperberg.

134:42

>> Push that up again.

134:46

>> Pip and Bring.

134:46

>> Pipe. Oh, Pip and Bring. Yeah.

134:48

>> Okay.

134:49

>> So, he uh so he reigned them in and got

134:53

the book out in a year and they were

134:55

able to resell it for a lot of the

134:56

money. paid back the back debt and now

134:59

he's hitting I I don't want to talk

135:00

about Tom's finances, but he's doing

135:02

well.

135:03

>> He's He's doing very well.

135:04

>> I know so many people that have read

135:06

that book.

135:06

>> Yeah.

135:07

>> Yeah. I mean, I've talked about it a

135:08

hundred times.

135:09

>> Yeah.

135:10

>> It's amazing.

135:11

>> It's amazing.

135:12

>> That's amazing because it's all true.

135:14

That's what's nuts. Like the stuff

135:15

that's verifiable, factual evidence in

135:18

that story makes you go, "What the [ __ ]

135:20

else did they do that we don't know

135:22

about?"

135:22

>> Right? Because Tom is a real journalist.

135:24

He didn't put anything in there that

135:25

wasn't triple corroborated. And he even

135:28

to his credit

135:30

>> at the end does not say this happened.

135:33

He said, "I never found the smoking

135:35

gun." So here's all the evidence, right?

135:38

>> Take what you will from it. It's a bunch

135:40

of I mean, the thing about Tom is he

135:42

comes from a family of geniuses. His

135:44

brother is the American ambassador to

135:46

Haiti.

135:47

>> Like they're all like PhDs up the He's

135:49

brilliant. And so he's also Irish and

135:53

he's a great Irish storyteller. So each

135:55

chapter, whether you're talking about

135:57

Jolly West or whatever, they're just in

136:00

C. Each chapter is a great story.

136:02

>> Yeah.

136:03

>> On top of being good journalism.

136:04

>> It's an amazing book.

136:06

>> Yeah.

136:06

>> I might reread it. I might go back.

136:09

>> Don't listen to it on tape. He hates he

136:10

hates the book on tape.

136:11

>> I thought it was great. I listened to

136:12

it.

136:13

>> Oh, really? Yeah. Okay. I loved it.

136:15

>> Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I I would

136:17

understand why you hate someone else

136:19

speaking your words, but he probably

136:21

should have done it.

136:22

>> Yeah.

136:23

>> Why didn't he do it? He's a good

136:25

speaker. He was great on the podcast.

136:27

>> Uh he Yeah, he was great on the podcast.

136:30

He got He got better. In his early

136:32

interviews, I used to say, "Tom, you

136:34

look like you're a hostage giving out a

136:36

message to the from the captives with a

136:38

gun at your head." And then he got

136:40

really good at it. Well, on mine, he was

136:42

very loose, very comfortable, but he

136:44

also knew it was friendly territory. He

136:46

knew that I'm a very good friend of

136:48

yours and that

136:49

>> I was really excited about it. Yeah. And

136:51

it was going to help him.

136:52

>> Yeah.

136:52

>> Uh if he does a second one, I would

136:54

encourage him to read it.

136:56

>> I would encourage him to read it. I

136:57

think he could kill it. And

136:59

>> And to come back on here.

137:00

>> Oh, 100%. I'd have him back. I'd have

137:02

him back on before he does it just to

137:03

talk about it.

137:04

>> Yeah. You know, I mean, I think the

137:05

impact of that book has opened up a lot

137:07

of people's eyes to the [ __ ]

137:08

shenanigans that were going on back

137:10

then.

137:10

>> Yeah. When we were at Skankfest, um, so

137:13

Duncan and I are talking to Tom for like

137:15

a half an hour and Duncan doesn't know

137:16

who I just introduced him as Tom. And

137:19

then when I brought up Chaos and that he

137:21

wrote it, Duncan's jaw dropped because

137:23

he's obsessed with the book. Yeah.

137:25

>> So, he was doing a live podcast from

137:26

Skankfest. So, he he hadn't booked

137:28

guests yet, so he booked me and Tom to

137:30

come on his podcast. And then Kurt Mezer

137:34

also, which was [laughter] hilarious.

137:36

Tom is trying to stay on point and get

137:38

to these. And Mezer is sitting there.

137:40

He's smoking a joint the size of my

137:42

forearm and just every 15 seconds.

137:45

>> Oh my god, he was manic. It was so

137:48

funny.

137:48

>> Wrangling him on a podcast is so

137:50

different than anybody else cuz he'll go

137:53

one subject to the next subject. You

137:54

don't know what about this and the

137:56

Kissingers. You don't know. You don't

137:57

know about the Rockefellers. You don't

137:58

know about this what they did in the

138:00

'60s. You're like, "Okay, go back to the

138:02

first thing you said about what's in

138:04

school lunches." [laughter]

138:07

>> Like, you gotta bring him back on point.

138:10

>> Well, that's why his girlfriend is so

138:12

great because she she is a mini wrangler

138:15

of Kurt.

138:16

>> She can keep him on point a little bit.

138:18

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's hilarious.

138:21

Funny dude.

138:22

>> I know. And a good writer. He's written

138:24

on a lot of big shows.

138:25

>> Oh, he's a great joke writer. He came on

138:27

the last time he did my episode uh my my

138:29

podcast rather the episode he dressed up

138:31

like John Lily who's the psychedelic

138:33

pioneer from the 70s. So he had a [ __ ]

138:35

skinin hat on and a wig and he put on a

138:37

one onehanded glove with a skeleton

138:40

fingers on it like [laughter] just I go

138:42

what are you no one even knows who John

138:44

Lily is. This is so crazy.

138:46

>> Yeah. He feels like the kind of guy that

138:48

is not hung up on getting famous or

138:50

getting rich. He just really enjoys like

138:53

ideas and communicating ideas and

138:56

>> Exactly. There he is.

138:58

>> That's hilarious.

138:59

>> His wig.

139:02

[laughter]

139:02

>> Um

139:03

>> he's a fun hang in the green room, too.

139:05

He's such a maniac.

139:06

>> By the way, today is the This is the

139:09

25th time I've been on your podcast.

139:11

Holy [ __ ]

139:11

>> I was looking up yesterday. I was like,

139:12

"How many times I've been on the [ __ ]

139:14

show?" This is the 25th.

139:15

>> That's crazy.

139:16

>> Yeah, cuz we used to do it all the time

139:18

when you were just starting out.

139:19

>> I know. Yeah.

139:21

>> We And a lot of times it was at the um

139:23

ice house.

139:24

>> Mhm. Yeah. We did the ice house. He did

139:26

it at my house.

139:27

>> Yeah.

139:27

>> And then when I finally got a a little

139:30

mini studio in that little strip mall.

139:32

>> Yeah. I know.

139:35

>> Yeah.

139:36

>> Those ice house shows were crazy because

139:38

we would have a standup show going and

139:40

then you'd have about six people on the

139:42

podcast with a joint going the entire

139:44

time in this small room. And and I don't

139:47

I have never been high on stage in my

139:50

life except for those shows because it

139:52

was secondhand smoke. I would literally

139:54

get so baked in and then I remember

139:57

going on stage and then so you would go

139:59

from the podcast to the stage and then

140:01

you come back on the podcast. People

140:02

would just swap out.

140:04

>> Yeah. And Ice House Chronicles.

140:05

>> Oh my god, dude. I

140:07

>> We thought about doing something similar

140:08

to that at the Mothership, like putting

140:10

together a podcast studio at the

140:12

Mothership. We have considered doing

140:14

that. You

140:14

>> have space for it? No, but I thought

140:17

about buying another building next to

140:18

me,

140:20

you know, and then like doing something

140:21

else with that, too.

140:23

>> Yeah. Build another stage, too.

140:26

>> I don't think so. I think we have enough

140:27

stages.

140:28

>> Yeah.

140:28

>> Yeah. I think the next move in terms of

140:31

a club would be we go to another city

140:34

and try to do the same thing and really

140:38

put a lot of time and money and effort

140:40

into making it right. Really making it

140:43

right. buying a building. One thing I

140:45

thought would be really crazy if I could

140:48

buy a big building in New York and

140:50

recreate the exact interior of the

140:52

mother ship.

140:53

>> Mhm.

140:54

>> Exactly.

140:54

>> Well, that's what the what what the um

140:57

Punchline did in Sacramento. It's almost

141:00

the same room as the San Francisco one.

141:02

>> Oh, really?

141:03

>> And then I think the comedy seller Vegas

141:06

room is similar to the New York room.

141:09

>> Ah, that's good. Yeah.

141:10

>> Yeah. I thought about literally

141:12

recreating it with the two staircases to

141:14

the two separate rooms. Yeah.

141:15

>> Like finding a a building that has the

141:18

same dimensions or similar dimensions.

141:20

>> Yeah.

141:21

>> I love the walk to the stage

141:25

>> because you're in the green room and you

141:26

got to go down a flight of stairs and

141:28

then you kind of feel the show over your

141:30

head as you're walking underneath it.

141:32

>> Tunnel under the

141:33

>> pop up. Yeah.

141:34

>> Yeah. We built all that. There was no

141:36

tunnel there before. We made all that.

141:38

>> Oh, no [ __ ]

141:39

>> Yeah. Yeah. But we had to build all

141:40

that.

141:40

>> Oh wow.

141:40

>> Yeah. That was an idea the architect

141:42

Richard came up with. Yeah. We just

141:45

decided somewhere along the like what

141:46

was the best way to get to the stage.

141:47

We're trying to figure out how to get to

141:48

the stage. You don't want to have to go

141:50

through the crowd. And he came up with

141:52

the idea of a tunnel and it was based on

141:54

there's like some

141:57

folklore or mythology around tunnels in

142:00

Austin that connect clubs and like he

142:02

was all big on the history of Austin. I

142:05

feel like it goes back to the

142:06

gladiators, too, walking under the

142:08

arena. [laughter]

142:10

>> Well, that's why if you go into the

142:11

green room, all those posters on the

142:12

wall are all people that actually

142:14

performed at the Ritz.

142:16

>> Oh, no [ __ ]

142:16

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When you look

142:18

up, you see Willie Nelson, Black Flag,

142:20

all those guys. They actually performed.

142:22

Stevie Way, uh, Steve Rayvon, they

142:24

actually performed at the Ritz. There's

142:26

a photo of Steve Rayvon as you're

142:28

walking to the stage if you photo him on

142:31

stage at the Ritz.

142:32

>> Wow. in I think 1983 or something like

142:35

that.

142:36

>> Yeah. So it was a rock and roll club for

142:38

a long time.

142:38

>> Isn't it funny how Stevie Rayvon and

142:40

Bill Hicks are kind of the same guy?

142:42

>> In what way?

142:43

>> I just feel like they're they're outlaw

142:44

Texans who just like free expression and

142:48

balls and

142:49

>> genius

142:50

>> and they kind of had the same style like

142:52

the way they dressed and hair and I just

142:55

always think of them as the same guy.

142:57

>> Interesting. Most people think of Alex

142:58

Jones as Bill Hicks. Like there's

142:59

[laughter] a rumor that Alex Jones is

143:02

Bill Hicks,

143:05

which makes no sense.

143:06

>> When's the last time you had that guy on

143:07

the show?

143:08

>> Oh, it's been a while. Uh, it was

143:11

probably a few years ago.

143:12

>> Yeah,

143:12

>> I see him occasionally.

143:13

>> Yeah.

143:14

>> Yeah. They're still trying to get a

143:15

billion dollars out of him. They're

143:17

still trying to

143:18

>> The Connecticut shooteries.

143:20

>> Yeah,

143:21

>> it's crazy.

143:22

>> Does he have a billion dollars?

143:23

>> No. No.

143:25

>> I think they they made him liquidate his

143:28

business. I I don't I don't know what's

143:29

going on with it now.

143:30

>> Jesus.

143:31

>> Crazy. Yeah. But the the rumor was that

143:33

he was Bill Hicks. That Bill Hicks was

143:36

actually Alex Jones.

143:37

>> That's funny.

143:38

>> Crazy.

143:38

>> Yeah.

143:38

>> They were both alive at the same time.

143:40

They're very different people.

143:43

[laughter]

143:43

>> But it doesn't have to be logical for it

143:45

to be a good conspiracy.

143:46

>> Yeah.

143:47

>> You know, there's people that still

143:48

think Tupac's alive.

143:51

>> There's a lot of goofy ass.

143:52

>> People think Jim Morrison's alive.

143:53

>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

143:55

>> Um who's the other one? Uh, oh, Andy

143:57

Kaufman, of course.

143:58

>> Oh, right.

143:59

>> I had um who was his sidekick? Andy

144:03

Kaufman's sidekick.

144:05

[sighs]

144:05

>> Bob Zamuda.

144:06

>> Bob Zamuda. Yeah.

144:07

>> So, I had Bob Zamuda. He'd written He

144:09

had written a book about Andy Kaufman

144:10

and claiming he's still alive. So, he

144:13

comes over to my I was doing my show in

144:15

my garage at that point and he comes

144:18

over and uh about 45 minutes into the

144:22

podcast, I go uh I go, "So, how does

144:24

Andy's family feel about you saying this

144:27

stuff about him still being alive?" And

144:29

he's like, "Oh, they're fine with that."

144:31

I said, "I kind of heard that they're,

144:32

you know, a little myiff that they they

144:34

think it's disrespectful. He's clearly

144:36

dead."

144:37

So, we go back and forth and it gets

144:40

super heated and he flips out and he

144:43

throws his chair over and he [ __ ]

144:45

storms out and that was the end of the

144:48

podcast. And I was just like, "All

144:49

right, that was weird." And I'm here to

144:52

announce for the first time that was a

144:55

fake.

144:57

It was an Andy Kaufmanesque stunt

145:00

>> really

145:00

>> that he flipped out and left the

145:01

podcast. Yeah.

145:02

>> And you never talked about it?

145:03

>> Nope. We did it in the spirit of Andy

145:05

Kaufman

145:08

[laughter]

145:08

>> and people were probably like, "Oh my

145:10

god, this is so

145:11

>> 11 years ago asking about it."

145:13

>> Bob's moon meltdown on Greg for Timman's

145:14

podcast. A very interesting

145:15

conversation, but when it escalates at

145:17

the end, it just blows up. Question:

145:19

real or Kaufmanesque stunt. [laughter]

145:22

Oh, that's funny. That's funny. And you

145:25

kept it under wraps.

145:26

>> I've never talked about it.

145:27

>> That's funny. That Well, that makes

145:29

sense with Zamura. He would do that Tony

145:32

Clifton character.

145:33

>> Oh my god. Yeah. And he would he would

145:34

dress up as Andy Kaufman's Tony Clifton

145:37

and do, you know, do appearances.

145:39

>> Well, yeah. Andy would say, "I'm coming

145:41

to Vegas to do the Tony Clifton

145:43

character." And then Zamuda would be the

145:46

one doing it. And people always be going

145:48

like, "What the [ __ ] I just paid $150

145:50

[laughter]

145:51

Andy Coffin."

145:55

>> Yeah. He did a lot of odd stuff.

145:57

Remember when he worked as a waiter at

145:59

Jerry's Famous Deli?

146:00

>> Oh, I didn't know that.

146:01

>> Oh, no. He worked as a bus boy. There's

146:03

a photo of him on the wall while he was

146:04

on Taxi. So, he was on the biggest

146:07

television show in the country. Yeah.

146:09

>> And he had like an apron on and he was

146:12

carrying a a a [ __ ] dish tray

146:16

>> filled with like people's dirty dishes.

146:18

>> Wow.

146:18

>> Yeah. That photo, look at that photo.

146:20

That photo photo was on the wall at

146:22

Jerry's famous deli.

146:25

>> Andy Coffman worked there. So, he was on

146:27

TV. He was a huge star. And you would go

146:29

and order a pastrami rubin and Andy

146:30

Coffin would clean your table.

146:32

>> Yeah.

146:34

>> What about the wrestling women was

146:36

genius.

146:37

>> Oh, he did a lot of nutty [ __ ] man.

146:38

>> Dude, he locked into that character.

146:41

People went nuts.

146:42

>> Is that a video?

146:43

>> I think so.

146:43

>> Oh, that's hilarious.

146:45

>> Well, [snorts] there's a documentary

146:46

about it. That's what was just popping

146:48

up

146:48

>> of him working at Jerry's after him. I

146:51

This is I guess a trailer for it.

146:53

>> Oh, so it's a do just a documentary

146:54

about him. He was a nut, man.

146:58

That was the one movie where like a lot

147:00

of people kind of freaked out about Jim

147:02

Carrey where like he kind of got way too

147:06

into that role and sort of like almost

147:08

like

147:10

>> seemed to embody Andy Kaufman.

147:12

>> Oh, he talked about that it [ __ ] him

147:14

up afterwards. Yeah.

147:15

>> Yeah. Yeah.

147:16

>> And offstage he was he acted like an

147:19

[ __ ] to people.

147:20

>> How weird.

147:21

>> Which is not like him,

147:22

>> right? How weird.

147:23

>> Yeah. that that that whole method acting

147:26

thing like becoming a per especially an

147:29

actual human where you have to sort of

147:31

like figure out their brain patterns and

147:33

their behavior patterns and imitate it

147:35

and then you get trapped in it.

147:37

>> Yeah.

147:38

>> Well, says Siguru was in talks to play

147:41

Simuda in a movie.

147:43

>> Oh wow.

147:43

>> Recently

147:44

>> that's what this article is about that.

147:47

This is very confusing because I saw

147:48

when I had that up I saw this

147:50

screenshot. I'm like why is Tom in that?

147:52

Oh, interesting.

147:54

>> Yeah, this article from 2024.

147:56

>> Oh, interesting.

147:59

>> I don't know what happened to it.

148:00

Doesn't seem like much, but yeah, that's

148:02

all.

148:04

>> There's a good documentary. It just came

148:06

out last week on um Mel Brooks. I mean,

148:10

you can't understate Mel Brooks's effect

148:12

on every whether you're a comedian or a

148:15

writer or a comedy director. That guy

148:18

just I mean when I was a kid, my dad

148:20

used to play 20,000-y old man for me,

148:22

those albums with Rob Reiner, I'm sorry,

148:25

Carl Riner,

148:27

>> and I was obsessed. And The Producers

148:28

was my father's favorite movie. It

148:30

became my favorite movie

148:32

>> and um you know, you just think about

148:34

like how [ __ ] your show of shows as a

148:37

writer early on and you know, and just

148:40

going on to do

148:41

>> Young Frankenstein.

148:42

>> Young Frankenstein.

148:44

Blazing Saddles.

148:45

>> Blazing Saddles. You know who the movie

148:47

talks about? You know who wrote Blazing

148:49

Saddles with him?

148:50

>> Who?

148:50

>> Richard Prior.

148:51

>> Oh, that makes sense.

148:52

>> Isn't that [ __ ] crazy? He was

148:54

supposed to play the sheriff.

148:55

>> Wow. Space Balls.

148:56

>> Space Balls.

148:58

>> Yeah, that's crazy.

149:00

>> But it's a two-part documentary. I only

149:02

saw the first half. And u

149:03

>> Space Balls is the reason why Tesla's

149:05

Model S is called the Plaid.

149:08

>> Really?

149:08

>> Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's hilarious.

149:10

>> It's also the reason why the Starship is

149:12

shaped the way it is at the tip.

149:13

>> Uhhuh. Like Elon wanted to be like space

149:15

balls. He's like, "Make it more pointy."

149:17

>> Uh-huh. Oh, that's funny. [laughter]

149:20

>> He loves space balls.

149:21

>> Yeah, that's so funny. Oh, yeah. That

149:24

would be perfect for him.

149:25

>> Of course.

149:26

>> Wow.

149:27

>> Of course. Of course.

149:29

>> Are you going to get an Optimus when it

149:31

comes out? You going to have a robot

149:32

companion in your home?

149:33

>> Oh, hell yeah. Why wouldn't you?

149:35

>> Cuz I don't want a robot in my house

149:36

that's connected to the internet.

149:38

>> I don't have Alexa. I don't have

149:40

anything in my home. I don't have any

149:41

speakers that can listen to me because

149:43

they are listening. Dude, how often are

149:46

you

149:46

>> talking about like I I started getting

149:49

Austin feeds, little videos in my

149:52

Instagram feed about Austin. I never get

149:54

those. I started getting them yesterday.

149:57

>> The [ __ ] is that?

149:58

>> Didn't know you're coming. Yeah. Well,

150:01

uh, didn't wasn't there a lawsuit that

150:03

Google had just recently settled where

150:06

it turned out that

150:08

>> there were certain times where your

150:09

phone was listening to you, which is why

150:11

you're getting ads for things that you

150:12

had discussed.

150:13

>> Oh, yeah. Happens all the time.

150:15

>> But it's it was a rumor for a long time.

150:17

It was like that's just a conspiracy

150:19

theory. Like people like this seems

150:20

weird.

150:22

>> Google settled 68 million in class

150:24

action over alleged recording of private

150:26

conversations.

150:26

>> That's nothing.

150:27

>> Yeah, it's pretty small.

150:28

>> That's nothing. Yeah. So, what is it?

150:30

What was the accusation? They have

150:32

agreed to pay $68 million to settle a

150:34

class action lawsuit alleging they

150:36

unlawfully recorded users conversations

150:38

through Google Assist enabled devices

150:40

without consent. The proposed Google

150:43

settlement is pending approval from a

150:44

federal judge US District Court for

150:47

Northern District of California. class

150:49

action lawsuit was filed in 2019 after

150:51

consumers accused Google of concealing

150:53

that the that its assistant enabled

150:56

devices could unintentionally activate

150:58

and record conversations inside users

151:00

homes. So that's just for that. But

151:03

that's like did not intentionally

151:06

activate it with a hot word such as hey

151:08

Google because it's listening to you all

151:10

the time. So it's listening for you to

151:12

say hey Google. But that's you know

151:14

that's just Google assistant devices.

151:18

I don't have one of those. And but yet

151:19

my phone will bring up suggestions and

151:22

ads for things that I've discussed that

151:24

I haven't looked up.

151:26

>> Just have conversations about it and

151:27

it'll pop up.

151:29

>> That's crazy.

151:30

>> I don't think they would tell you. I

151:31

think it's all metadata. It's all

151:33

hidden. It's all there's no way to know.

151:35

And we all know. We all kind of know.

151:38

>> And you know,

151:39

>> and people go like, "Well, I'm not I

151:41

don't I'm not a criminal. I got nothing

151:42

to hide." Yeah, but you don't understand

151:44

the ramifications of this information.

151:46

If somebody is in office and they want

151:48

to start using keywords to locate people

151:51

that they're going to have audited, like

151:53

they just some some woman got uh was

151:56

protesting ICE and you know they've got

151:58

this facial recognition software that

152:00

lets them know your name, your address.

152:03

>> Is that Palunteer? Is that what they're

152:04

using?

152:05

>> It's something. No, it's not Palanteer.

152:07

It's something like that. But this woman

152:08

went to the airport, her TSA was

152:10

cancelled.

152:11

>> What? Yeah.

152:13

>> What? Because she was a protester.

152:15

That's it.

152:15

>> Yep.

152:16

>> Just protesting.

152:17

>> Yep.

152:18

>> Really?

152:18

>> No. They're they're taking they're

152:20

taking your license plate. They're

152:21

taking people's faces and they're

152:23

running it through. They had one one

152:25

woman went from a protest to her house

152:27

and there was a car parked out front

152:30

with ICE agents in it saying, "We know

152:32

where you live."

152:34

>> What?

152:34

>> Yeah.

152:36

>> That's all she did was go to a protest.

152:38

Yeah. That's it.

152:39

>> I mean, I'm sure she interacted. She was

152:40

probably yelling out or whatever.

152:42

>> She wasn't a part of the organizers of

152:44

the protest or anything like that

152:45

because

152:45

>> maybe she was an organizer.

152:46

>> This is the the weird thing is the

152:47

organiz these signal chats and

152:50

everything. It's this is all being like

152:52

very coordinated and very funded.

152:55

>> Like this is a very coordinated thing

152:57

like what they're doing where they're

152:58

doxing these ICE agents and the whole

153:00

thing is

153:02

>> it's all very [ __ ] weird. Yeah.

153:04

>> The point about the Google stuff though

153:06

is the people that go, "Oh, I'm not

153:08

doing anything illegal." You are giving

153:11

them your data and that data is a

153:14

commodity and they are getting insanely

153:16

wealthy off of getting your data in an

153:20

unscrupulous way,

153:21

>> right?

153:21

>> They're not telling you they're doing

153:23

this thing and they're getting your data

153:25

and that data is making them insanely

153:27

wealthy and then they use that wealth in

153:29

a bunch of different ways to influence

153:31

all sorts of things in the world.

153:33

>> And that's what's going on. But nobody

153:34

ever thought that their data was going

153:36

to be a commodity. Mhm.

153:37

>> Nobody ever gave a [ __ ] about their

153:39

email address or what they're interested

153:41

in online,

153:42

>> but it turns out that's [ __ ] insanely

153:44

valuable to advertisers.

153:46

>> Mhm.

153:47

>> And that's it's also it's like, you

153:49

know, they're listening.

153:51

>> You know, they're listening. They're

153:53

listening to things.

153:54

>> Yeah. They're listening. And uh yeah,

153:57

it's it's it there's people now

154:00

[laughter] using Chad GBT to do therapy.

154:03

Have you heard about that?

154:04

>> Yeah. Yeah. And meanwhile, she might

154:07

tell you to kill yourself like that.

154:08

>> Not only that, but you're telling your

154:10

innermost embarrassing things. You think

154:13

that's not going to be used against you

154:14

at some point when you try to get health

154:16

insurance and health insurance has now

154:18

audited what you said to chat GBT and

154:20

goes, "Well, you're a suicide risk or

154:22

you're talking about trying to quit

154:24

smoking. Now we know you're smoking."

154:25

Any details?

154:27

Wasn't there an instance real recently

154:29

where someone had uploaded top secret

154:33

information to chat GPT to a public a

154:36

government official had see if you can

154:39

find this government official uploaded

154:41

to a public chat GPT not like some

154:45

secure encrypted version that the

154:46

government gets because they were trying

154:48

to go over some data. Here it is. US

154:52

cyber defense chief accidentally

154:55

uploaded secret government info to chat

154:57

GPT.

154:58

>> Jesus.

154:59

>> So they grilled the acting chief on a

155:01

mass layoffs in a failed polygraph.

155:03

Failed polygraph is hilarious. So uh

155:06

this guy, good luck saying his name

155:09

accidentally uploaded sensitive

155:10

information to a public version of chat

155:12

GBT last summer. Accord accidentally

155:16

according to four Department of Homeland

155:17

Security officials with knowledge of the

155:19

incident. Try to say that guy's name.

155:21

>> Gotamakula.

155:22

>> Is that it?

155:24

>> Gotamakula.

155:25

>> Okay. Gotamakula.

155:26

>> He plays defense for the Rams.

155:28

>> Uploads. [laughter]

155:29

Seems like a [ __ ] big Polish guy. Uh

155:32

uploads of uh sensitive

155:36

CISA contracting documents triggered

155:39

multiple internal cyber security

155:40

warnings designed to stop theft or

155:42

unintentional disclosure of government

155:44

material from federal networks. And this

155:46

[ __ ] guy's the director of cyber

155:48

security and infrastructure security.

155:52

That's

155:52

>> well what does it mean accidentally

155:53

upload? Did it did it ease drop on him

155:56

or did he [clears throat] say something

155:59

that caused chat GBT to

156:00

>> it? It seems like he uploaded the data

156:03

like he was probably trying to parse out

156:04

the data.

156:05

>> Just hired too or just joined the

156:07

agency.

156:08

>> Oh great. [laughter]

156:11

>> Oh my god.

156:12

The information was not confidential but

156:14

marked for official use only.

156:16

>> Dude, I feel like

156:19

>> I feel like Russia and China know

156:22

everything

156:23

>> and we know everything about Russia and

156:25

China,

156:25

>> right?

156:26

>> And they're all ratting on each other.

156:28

Palunteer app use ICE uses to find

156:31

neighborhoods to raid. Yeah. So it is

156:33

Palunteer at least for that.

156:35

>> Yeah. The article he had it was blocked

156:37

by a payw wall. I couldn't I was trying

156:39

to get around.

156:40

nuts.

156:41

>> Joe Rogan Experience. Can't afford to

156:43

pay for Is this it? We're wrapping it

156:45

up.

156:45

>> Let's wrap this [ __ ] up. It's four

156:46

o'clock.

156:47

>> Can I name some dates?

156:48

>> [ __ ] yeah.

156:49

>> I will be at the Philadelphia Helium, as

156:52

I said, uh Valentine's Day weekend.

156:54

>> Great [ __ ] club.

156:55

>> I'm going to be in Sacramento at the

156:56

Punchline next week. And then I'm going

156:58

to be in Lexington, Kentucky at Comedy

157:00

Off Broadway.

157:01

>> Great [ __ ] club. And this is

157:03

great.com.

157:05

go to the the link for standup dates,

157:07

plenty of gigs,

157:08

>> the podcast or Sunday Papers with Mike

157:11

Gibbons, which oh by the way, thank you

157:12

for the shout out. You and Bert Chryser

157:14

gave me a little love bath yesterday.

157:17

That was nice. So yeah, he was talking

157:18

about Sunday Papers I've been doing with

157:20

Mike for a long time. And then Fitz Dog

157:22

Radio that you've been on many times.

157:24

>> Ye [ __ ] ha. All right, we're going to

157:26

wrap it up. You're at the mothership

157:28

this weekend. I'm very excited about

157:29

that.

157:30

>> You going to come down?

157:30

>> [ __ ] yeah.

157:31

>> [ __ ] yeah. All right, good. Goodbye.

157:39

>> [music]

Interactive Summary

The video discusses various topics, including the proliferation of AI-generated content, the nuances of stand-up comedy club management and development, and the societal impact of technology. It touches upon the ethical concerns surrounding AI, such as its potential to mislead or cause harm, and contrasts the old model of comedy development with the new landscape shaped by social media and AI. The conversation also delves into the history of comedy clubs, the importance of nurturing new talent, and the evolving nature of the entertainment industry. Specific examples like the impact of AI on filmmaking and the controversial use of AI in chatbots are highlighted. The speakers reflect on the challenges and opportunities within the comedy world, emphasizing the need for authentic talent development amidst technological advancements.

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