This boy and girl are going to be well

equipped when the time comes to take

their places as worthy members of adult

society.

Aloha y'all. This is Daniel Eisman, the

host of the Breaking Normal podcast,

where my guests are all invited based on

the frequency of synchronicity. All done

in person and all trailblazers and the

breaking of all things normal.

>> All right, we have a breaking normal

moment where we have a repeat athlete on

the show, Eagle McMahon. Thank you for

having me.

>> We were just reflecting on the last time

you were on the show and that was before

we were doing full videos. That was

probably at my apartment, right?

>> It was at your apartment. You were

sitting on the throne.

>> You didn't sit on the throne? Did I

offer the throne to you?

>> No, you you took the throne. [laughter]

>> Um when was that what two years ago? Two

and a half years ago.

>> It was late 2022.

>> Okay. Um and you didn't listen to that

recently, did you?

>> I was listening a little bit today just

as I was thinking about doing that. I

want to just like get an idea of what we

were talking about at the time.

>> What was the golden thread that you

>> Well, the if I recall the name

correctly, it was something to do with

the real sport of disc golf.

>> Uh and something along the lines of stem

cells.

>> Oh, yeah. That's right.

>> Cuz I had a stem cell injection that

year.

>> Have you continued that at all?

>> I have not. And uh

>> long story short, I ended up getting

surgery.

>> You did? Wow. Where at on your body? Uh,

I my shoulder.

>> Your shoulder.

>> My shoulder. Yes. So, the stem cells

were showing promise, but for what I

needed with the sport of disc golf,

>> it it wasn't enough to keep my shoulder

together. Okay.

>> Um, and funny enough, when I went to get

the surgery done and when they opened me

up and went to repair my labum, there

was a lot of laxity in the joint. And

the stem cells might have done

something, but from my shoulder coming

out of socket being sublexed four times,

I believe, it just there were just so

much room in there that the stem cells

never were really going to cinch it up.

So getting the surgery for me was

probably the best decision I could have

made.

>> Wow. Okay. And do you recall or did I

tell you that I may have a very similar

shoulder situation to you?

>> Did you Was yours called an impingement?

That's what they called mine, an

impingement. They said, "You have so

much laxity in your shoulder that it's a

double-edged sword." I remember the

surgeon saying this, like, "You're

probably able to throw really hard and

sling that arm, but there's like a

little bone on bone touching every time

you do that because you have all this

laxity and it's created a lot of scar

tissue." And we recommend we go out

there and scope out that scar tissue. I

did not do that surgery. What What were

you doing compared to that situation?

Yeah, I don't recall them ever

mentioning in impingement per se. For

me, it was a a slight Bangkart lesion,

which if you think about the labreum,

it's this like soft gummy non-vascular

tissue that sits right in between the

hummeral head and uh is it the AC joint?

But whatever sits against the hummeral

head and the whatever the like scapula

area of the shoulder. Uh it was there's

a traditional slap tear which is a tear

in the top of the biceps tendon which a

lot of pitchers get.

>> Okay.

>> For me when I sublex my shoulder it came

out forward and down. So that's what the

Bangard lesion was. There's a little bit

of a tear on the front lower side of the

labreum and that would just enough to

make a weak point. So, if I was ever

moving my shoulder forward in a quick

jolting fashion, that was going to

threaten or it was going to be a weak

point to where the the hummeral head

would jump out of socket. Um, so when I

got the surgery, they they essentially

they tightened everything up and now I

haven't had that issue since, which has

been it's been great because in disc

golf there's two main ways of throwing.

It's the backhand and sidearm/forehand.

And when I had my injury, I was having a

very hard time throwing forehand shots

because if I threw it too hard or

engaged too much of my bicep or upper

part of my arm without keeping it really

packed and stacked, then I could throw

my shoulder out of socket. But ever

since that and ever since the recovery,

I haven't had that issue anymore.

>> Well, I think you might be the first

person I know that is stoked on having

shoulder surgery. Almost everyone else

that I know that got a shoulder surgery,

they didn't seem to appreciate the

results.

>> I rehabed like it was my job though,

okay?

>> Because I got it done and I blocked out

about 5 months afterwards and every

single day my goal was to make my

shoulder better in every way, shape, and

form. Whether it came from movement,

diet,

um, you know, contrast therapy, that was

my number one focus. So, I think that's

what really helped me. And even now, I

could definitely tell a little bit of

inhibition in the joint, but it's way

better than worrying about my shoulder

coming out of socket.

>> Wow.

>> And I think it's testament, too. It's

like there's so many amazing alternative

therapies and I think most people should

start with those but depending on where

the person's at and what their career

depends on. Sometimes the more

traditional route can be advised but of

course doing your due diligence and

doing the research and making the best

decision for yourself is absolutely key.

And I feel like that's what I did. I

mean I got stem cells. I I I feel like I

crossed every box out before getting to

surgery. It wasn't just a blind surgery,

>> which a lot of people just like,

>> you know, the the doctor says I need it,

therefore I'm going to go get it.

>> Who um was your surgeon? I'm sure people

are curious. Is that is that something

people do? Do they shout out surgeons?

>> Well, let me think. It was Western

Orthopedics, Benjamin Sears.

>> Sears?

>> Yeah. Wow.

>> Uhhuh. Benjamin Sears.

>> Interesting. That's a combination of two

recent guests on the show, Benjamin

Duffy and JP Sears.

>> Anyways,

>> Benjamin Duffy, he's a trip.

>> I just want to shout out this this

podcast because I I listen to pretty

much every episode and I just want to

thank Daniel for like showcasing the

best of Boulder and beyond. But it's

been really cool for me because I've

made a lot of like good good resources

here. Like I started working with

Elixium, which uh David Reday was on

this podcast and as soon as I heard him

talk, I'm like, you know what, I think

that could be of great benefit to me.

So, I've been working with them for like

>> about four months now.

>> Wow.

>> And my girlfriend Retana just started

working with them as well. And uh yeah,

they've been helping me out a lot. Like

I can I can tell since working with

them, I've had probably a 20 to 30%

energy boost just with their protocol.

>> Wow.

Well, I must say I'm very happy you

brought that up and it's affirming and

humbling because

I think you're the person that I know

that I might like message the most that

might listen to most of the shows. Like

are you saying you listen to every

episode?

>> I'd say pretty much all of them.

>> Wow. Wow. That's amazing. So now I just

like have so like what episodes other

than David's and and I am curious what

you are we can go first with there. what

are you working on elixium and then I

have another question about the podcast.

So for me it's just energy optimization,

testosterone optimization,

uh making my body work as good as it can

because for the listeners, we haven't

really talked about it yet. For the

listeners out there who don't know, I'm

a professional disc golfer and I travel

pretty much all year round, but my my

busy seasons from March to midocctober

and I'm traveling all throughout the US

over to Europe and playing anywhere from

probably 16 to 20 events a year, which

takes up a lot of time. And some of

these events are in in certain places

that uh you wouldn't necessarily ever

want to go on vacation. Uh i.e. Peoria,

Illinois, Burlington, Kentucky. Used to

go to Emporia, Kansas. So, it's it's

hard to raise your vibration in said

places. And I've had some issues, you

know, staying focused.

And

when you don't have energy, it's really

hard to get excited to get out of bed to

do your job. So that's why originally I

I reached out to Elixium and just by

tweaking a few things, getting a little

bit of blood work done and using what I

already know, using my own intuition,

it's been it's helped me get that little

bit of extra edge that I feel like I've

needed because since surgery,

my game hasn't been exactly where I've

wanted it. But I think there's a lot of

different factors going into that

because last time I was on the podcast,

I was with a different sponsor. So when

me being a disc golfer, I have sponsors

that help me compete uh or fund my tour

and travel throughout the the US and

Europe in order to in order to uh

play disc golf. And when you switch a

sponsor, you're switching all the the

tools you use, the discs. And I say

there was just a huge shift getting the

surgery, changing sponsors, and then

having all previous expectations

attached to my name to where, you know,

it kind of threw me for a little bit of

a tail spin. And over the last few

months, I've kind of done like a 180 and

I feel like I'm actually getting back to

being myself in a lot of regards. And

you know, there's a lot of other

factors. You could say it's like a a

Saturn return, if you will, cuz I'm 27

years old. And there's so much that's

happened in my life. And now I feel like

I'm kind of taking on a new role in my

uh in my dharma, if you will. So, you

know, just everything's coming full

circle. And with Elix, it's just one of

the dominoes that's started to [snorts]

fall in place to me getting back to

where I feel like I should be.

>> Okay. Well, yeah. I I'm not even sure

everything that they do there. I know

one of the things they do is like uh

testosterone.

>> They do testosterone. Um they do uh the

the TRT Yeah. therapy. I haven't gotten

on that. I'm reluctant to because as

from my understanding as soon as you

start injecting then you're they kind of

got you for for for life because your

body [clears throat] shuts off its own

testosterone factory. So I'm they have

me on like a Sheila supplement with as

well as a tonot ali.

>> Wow.

>> So they're we're taking like a more

holistic approach first before

>> before doing anything else because I had

good testosterone. It just my SHBG which

is the it it's one of the binding it

binds to testosterone making it to where

you don't have the the the free the free

testosterone to take advantage of.

>> What's that name of that model?

>> SHBG sex hormone binding globulin.

>> That's right. Yeah.

>> Yeah. You're you're quite well versed in

this biohacking world.

>> Yeah. I I hate biohacking is like a

weird term for me because I think

there's a lot of positives to it but at

the same time I don't want to like

identify with that.

>> Yep. I hear that too.

>> I like

>> I don't identify. Yeah, I use the word

but I hear you. Please

>> as soon as I say like I was vegan I'm

just I'm human now. I just [laughter] I

don't want to I don't want to adhere to

any sort of dogma or ism. It just it

it's not my style. But it it's so easy

to cuz like people are like, "What? What

do you eat now? What's your diet like?"

I'm like, "My intuition is kind of my

diet." But I also seek out help from

people like Elixium to help better

understand myself. I think we were

talking a little bit about before the

podcast started is learning your own

body and then getting help for a little

while is going to help you broaden your

broaden your understanding of your own

health. And then once you have that

understanding, you can start you can

start dialing it in for yourself.

>> Wow. Yeah. I mean, I I feel like that

you're in a new season in your life.

What do you mean by Saturn return? What

I've heard this phrase before.

>> So I I'm not that wellversed in it, but

it's an

>> it's a concept in a astrology where

>> Saturn is on a cycle. So every about 27

to 28 years, Saturn returns to the same

place in the sky as it was when you're

born. And so most people have two to

three Saturn returns in their life. And

each one represents a coming of age and

a new a new cycle in their life.

>> I was going to say unless you're a

famous musician like Jimmy Hendris or

Janice Japan or

>> Yeah, they they never got to see Saturn

in the same spot of the sky.

>> Wow.

>> All right. So I have so many things to

talk about that um I so once again

thanks for uh being a fan of the podcast

>> of course

>> um because yeah it's different I used to

do retreats as you know and I would get

so much direct feedback that like in my

like when I was just like you do

probably at a um tournament that was

like my tournament I was like okay now

I'm going to get all this feed like such

quality feedback whether it's good or

bad from like 50 people right in my face

for four days in a row and doing the

podcast. I don't necessarily get that.

So, I totally appreciate you letting me

know. Like, I know you you I remember

like saying a few different things. Like

I remember when Christine's episode came

out, you were like, "That was awesome."

>> And sometimes I'm so in the thick of it,

it's hard to know what other people

think,

>> which is not my driving force anyways.

>> Um, but that episode must have been

awesome.

>> It was great.

>> It might be our most listened to episode

is my guess with Dr. I don't know. I

don't

>> I saw I saw some of like the metrics on

social media. That one clip of her went

like pretty viral.

>> Yeah, it's gotten over a half a million

views. But the thing is this is not like

views of uh a cat falling from a tree.

>> These are like people are obsessed with

this video

>> and it is creating a lot of traction I

think for her

>> and both of our businesses here as well

and the podcast. So I'm stoked on that.

uh any standout episodes or like uh yeah

>> the one that was interesting to me and

being a Boulder native I forget his name

but he

>> Howard Snooks the old guy that was guess

>> well it was

>> not to just say

>> no he was he did a lot with uh like fire

regulations

>> oh yeah Rob Kaplan

>> yeah like that just opened my eyes to

like a different side of Boulder and it

just got me thinking it's like knowing

what's going on on kind of the municipal

like town side and what you're bringing

to the table and being like an

ambassador for Boulder. It was really

cool to me seeing like the local

picture. Uh the one girl, what's her

name? Uh she runs the Yellow Barn.

>> Azure.

>> Azure. It got me interested. I haven't

been out there yet, but like that's

something that I could be interested in

joining. Um shout out friend of the

podcast Jeremy Sholomon. I'm actually

going to go out there tomorrow and sauna

with Jeremy.

>> Oh, at the at the at the puff. Have you

been there yet?

>> I haven't been out there yet.

>> Me neither. Okay.

>> So, it's like, you know, just learning

about uh these little popups around

town. Of course, like when you've had uh

>> Alice from Golden Hon, that's another

another great one. Like

>> she's just a wealth of knowledge. Like I

could listen to her talk all day.

>> This is great feedback.

>> Um

>> for all the people, too. And then, you

know, you got you got some cool

characters like uh the I think the

Benjamin Duffy.

>> Yeah. Like his

>> like I'll have his uh his podcast on in

the background and Rattan here like

who's who's Daniel interviewing? But

like it's really cool to just hear these

these breaking normal people that are

are out there on the streets of Boulder

and it just makes me like proud to to be

a part of the community. And of course,

you know, shout out Matt Bernstein. Mhm.

>> Like I was so stoked on that episode and

thanks for the shout out. Um,

>> and I hope to I hope to get back there

and start training again at some point

cuz you know I I love the community

aspect. Some of like my best memories in

Boulder are just being a part of the the

Apeco community.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. Well, that that means a lot to me

and it brings up this uh topic that I

have, you know, how people like put

pictures of musicians and athletes and

such on their wall

>> that they don't know,

>> like they don't personally know them.

>> I I I'm going to see if I can take

action on this after now I say this. I

want to have my walls filled with my

friends.

>> Yeah.

>> I want to be a fan of my friends. I love

that.

>> And that's not always easy for some

people to do.

>> Oh, I know firsthand being a

professional disc golfer when when

everybody who is your friend is also

your competitor, it could be tough.

>> Yeah. And that makes more sense. But

have you ever caught yourself I know

it's a bit of a personal question you'll

have to answer because I know everyone

else I know a lot of people do or they

have sometime in their life that

they're a little like they almost want

to see their idols fall or they [snorts]

>> it's like they don't always want their

friends to succeed.

>> Oh 100%. I' I've caught myself feeling

that way and I'm I try to nip it in the

bud like right away because it's

disgusting honestly.

>> Well, I think that's the key is to catch

yourself.

>> I know like I still I do it.

>> I do it like I'll take accountability

for it and I I try to like understand

why I might feel that way and it's just

usually comes from a survival state of

mind which we don't need to be in. We

can be in an abundant state of mind.

like the older I get and like realize

that what I'm doing and the community,

the fact that I get to live in Boulder,

Colorado, there's so I have so much

gratitude for that to think like why

should I ever be in that survival state

of mind even though like when you know

I'm high stress, I just played a bad

round of disc golf, things aren't going

the way I want them to, I can really

easily fall into, you know, not so great

state. But what I've gotten better at is

pulling myself out of that frame of mind

a lot quicker than I used to. Yeah. It's

making me imagine there's a correlation

between how much like for the people

that I might be tempted

>> Mhm.

>> to not want them to succeed for some

whatever weird disgusting reason. It's

like if I can nip that in the bud and

want them to succeed, I feel like that's

how much that'll be correlated with how

much others want me to succeed.

>> Yeah. If I can how muchever I want the

person I'm envious of to succeed will be

correlated with how many other people

want me to succeed.

>> Totally. It's the it's what you say.

It's like if you aren't grateful for

something you already have, how can you

expect more? It's like a a cousin of

that uh that notion. And I am happy you

called that disgusting because I've

caught myself in the past with that and

sometimes I see it like flare up a

little like I'm like oh

[laughter]

>> why did that do so good for them? But

I'm like oh no no no no no you Daniel

this this is like this is your

opportunity to upgrade

>> right but I will say that there is one

caveat to that being [snorts] an athlete

and especially in a a competitive sport

is you want to use some of that envy as

drive as well. That's another way

>> because one actually two books that I

just recently listened to. Um, have you

heard of Tim Grover?

>> Yeah. Yep, I have.

>> Yeah. And he he gives some polarizing uh

kind of thought experiments and uh

brings kind of a counter to a lot of

people's way of thinking and for good

reason. I mean, he trained Michael

Jordan, Kobe Bryant, and

I mean, one of the thing he says is, you

know, everyone says it's not it's not

the destination, it's the journey. And

he says it's absolutely the destination

because you have to have that end goal

in mind to work towards. And I think

it's weird. It's a fine line to walk,

but having that tenacious drive to win

>> is something that's really important

that a lot of people will kind of

>> I can't think of a better word for it,

but like pussyfoot around

>> and they can kind of get lost in like,

you know, the part participation metal

and just like,

>> you know, not having real structure and

I for the last two years I feel like I

fell into that and by listening to Tim

Grover it's kind of like reawakened And

like that drive in me to like go out

there and get it get an edge and do

whatever it takes.

>> Yeah. Wow. Or there's like a bit of a

justosition because like the athletic

world is definitely unique in the sense

that

>> competition is cooperation. Mhm.

>> But in the outside the competition world

when you're like wanting to pe people to

fail rather than you I I hear this like

let's just say there's someone else.

Let's say Benjamin Duffy's podcast just

takes off like crazy.

>> I could be envious of that.

>> I could be stoked for him and or I could

be a mix of the both and be like I'm

going to I'm going to see if I can get a

bigger podcast than him going like to

take it out of the non-sport world. In

the sport world, I definitely think that

Tim Grover like killer mentality, what

does he call it? The people that are

like the most obsessed, the

>> the cleaners.

>> The cleaners.

>> Yeah. Those are the people who do

whatever it takes and they almost that's

the ultimate evolution because they're

not necessarily even thinking about the

other people. They're they just know

intrinsically and they use their

instinct to their advantage. Like they

don't care how good somebody's going to

be. They know what they're capable of

and they're going to go out there and

execute no matter what. And they're not

they don't even have that envy. They

just have that burning desire within

them to to to execute their dharma.

>> And I that's what I that's the ultimate

evolution. That's what I think of.

>> Yeah. I really uh admire what I've heard

from Tim Gmer. Tim Grover. I haven't met

him in person. is what's he doing right

now when you say you are listening to

him just like the books or is he doing a

podcast or

>> there there's two books on Spotify that

I I listen to. He has Relentless and

Winning.

>> I've listened to both of those I think.

Do you listen to multiple times?

>> I've listen so funny enough I listened

to half of Winning back in like 2021 and

I stopped listening to it and then I

revisited it uh this year and I'm

thinking like

>> why'd you stop listening to it? It was

so good and I feel like it could have

benefited me so much. But,

>> you know, better late than never.

>> Do you know what he's doing right now?

We should get him on the show one day.

[snorts]

>> Absolutely. Um, you know, I'm not sure

because the his winning book was

released maybe 2020 because it was right

after Kobe Bryant's death.

>> Okay. Yeah.

>> And that was I feel like I don't of

course I feel bad like when certain

celebrities or influential figures pass

away, but Kobe was like the biggest one

for me. Like I still think about that

and be like, "Dang, it really sucks that

that happened because he was so

influential and I just loved that his

outlook on life."

>> Yeah, I think the Charlie Kirk one hit

me like that.

>> That's another one because I was like,

"This was the best. This might have been

the best communicator I've ever heard."

>> Like, he's arguably one of the best

communicators I've ever heard.

>> Right.

>> And he's now gone. And how old was he?

>> 31.

>> 31. It's outrageous.

>> It shook things up, that's for sure.

Yeah,

>> that was definitely a window into the

the current landscape of the world.

>> Yeah. And it's so funny like people are

so um caught up like certain people if

you believe what you see online are so

caught up with his like opinions.

>> Yeah.

>> I'm like I I'm caught up that he was

maybe the best communicator I've ever

heard and now he's gone. That's what I'm

caught up in.

>> And like amazing. It's amazingly uh sad

and it's just amazing amount of

craziness you can find online about

anything these days, including his

death.

>> Totally.

>> How how do you balance all that? Because

it sounds like you do like a lot of

research. I mean, you if you're

listening to a lot of the Breaking

Normal podcast, are you listening to

other podcasts? How do you balance your

consumption?

>> You know, I I listen to a a range of

podcasts. Um, Breaking Normal is

probably like the the one I click on

fastest, but I kind of like just

I balance my intake. I try to I try to

not be like too involved with the

digital sphere as much as I possibly can

like refrain from it. If uh like if Joe

Rogan has like a good good guest that

like is thoughtprovoking, say like a

Greg Braden, uh that's one that I I'll

click on.

>> Oh yeah. Did he interview him recently?

He did. It was I think I listened to

that one. It was really interesting. Um,

but I I'm listening to a lot of music

podcasts like Pure Trans Radio. I love

uh electronic dance music. So, that's

usually taking up uh a lot of my

listening time or you know, it's really

about the just the the frequency of

synchronicity, if you will. Like if you

know what podcasts you feel like you

should click on and which ones you

should share. Like the Didn't I send you

the one with uh NCO? Yeah.

>> Did you listen to that one? That one was

really insightful cuz I I never really

listen to a lot of NCO. Uh but uh for

some reason it came on when I was in

Hawaii this year and it just like fit

the vibe perfectly.

>> I'm going to I'll probably listen to

that when I'm in Insanita.

>> Wow. Um

All right. So, here's a cool question

because and I I trust this doesn't I'm

not trying to exploit you by being on

the show to put you on the spot, but do

you have any feedback? Like do you think

anything we could do to make this show

better

and or what what are the what do we do

best? What do And I say we because you

know's working with me here too and

every guest is working with me.

>> Well, I thought it was very interesting

like we walked in the door, we had maybe

like two or three minutes of chitchat

and then it was like let's go.

>> And it it shows that it's very organic

and I think that's the biggest that's a

huge positive aspect.

>> Okay. Honestly, I've enjoyed every

single one. And my only criticism, I'd

say, of course, there's time constraints

on you, but if you wanted to let him go

longer, I I'd be listening.

>> I'm open to it

>> because I some of the podcasts I listen

to are quite long. Um, especially I'm a

bit of a sucker for when Joe Rogan has a

good guest on and those are usually

three hours,

>> right?

>> Um, and I I I also like to listen to

Theo Bonds,

>> okay? Good when he has like a big guest

on.

>> Yeah, same here.

>> Um I'm trying I like My First Million

and Gary Vaynerchuk.

>> Okay. Oh, yeah. Have you heard of either

one? Um

>> Yeah, for sure. I'm trying to like think

of all the other shows. Like I like the

ice coffee hour.

>> I I listen to that one, too. Um when

they have a guest on that I'm interested

in. Yeah.

>> Right. It really is guest dependent for

me. Like if there's somebody that I get

am captivated of uh or have wanted to

hear from for a long time, then I'll

then I'll click. But I'm not like

allegant to any particular podcast.

>> I think I am. And that's a great point.

I probably am most consistent to click

on the show regardless of the guest

>> on my first million Gary Vaynerchucks.

And it might be because the season in my

in my life because they're so about like

scaling businesses. Uh really niched in

on that like in the e-commerce

entrepreneurial world. So I'm a bit of a

sucker for those two regardless of the

guest. Now I'm trying to think of like

the best podcast. Do you have like a

favorite podcast you've ever listened

to?

>> Favorite podcast? Oh man. Like the best

episode.

[laughter] I'm

>> trying to think of my I I thought of Oh,

okay. I thought of one or two.

>> Yeah. One or two shows I think are the

two best episodes I've ever heard.

>> I'm not good at playing favorites.

>> I'm gonna get some hate on this one, but

I Did you ever hear Tucker Carlson

interview Andrew Tate? I did not.

>> Holy mackerel. I thought like Tucker

Carl. I don't know what all is going on

with Andrew Tate and what's real and

what's not, but that those two were just

incredible in my opinion. And I think I

remember Tim Ferris

and Jamie Fox. Did you ever hear that

one?

>> I did not hear that one.

>> Those are two of the best ones that just

like popped to mind. I could probably

think of 10 more.

>> Man, I I've I need to think a little bit

deeper and harder about this. I'd say

some of the Joe Despensza's on uh Lewis

House are really good. Those are always

uh ones that uh I can go back and listen

to and inspire me and get me thinking in

a really positive way.

>> Um

>> yeah, I'm I'm always so bad when I get

put on the spot for favorites because

it's what whatever I'm feeling. Uh some

of the David Gogggins podcasts are

always really inspirational.

>> I haven't heard from him in a while. It

makes me wonder if he's doing some

torturous thing in the desert somewhere

by himself.

>> I love his style cuz he he really is

authentic if nothing else. And I mean he

is so much more than than than that. But

like I he'll he'll pop in every once in

a while and just blow your mind on what

he's doing.

>> I I thought another favorite that

probably anytime I ever see him on a

show I'll listen to him is Dana White.

>> Okay.

It's it's kind of like

>> he's not he's not on many shows. I

remember my dad he he showed me a clip

of he was getting interviewed and then

he just had it he's like I don't like

this question. I don't like what's going

on and he just walked off the show.

>> Exactly.

>> That's authenticity right there.

>> Yeah. I think that's probably the theme

because Gary Vaynerchuk I somewhat see

the same way. He is he just it seems

like the more people he's in front of

the more transparent he gets.

>> It's like supercharges him,

>> right? And Dana White seems to be

similar. Like the more pressure on there

him maybe that's what it is. Maybe I

admire people when there's a pressure on

them to conform and they do the

opposite.

>> Yeah. No, I completely agree. [laughter]

It makes it interesting nonetheless.

>> Yeah. I um gosh, what's these guys?

They're pretty funny. The Canadians. Um

they have the Happy Dad Company. Um

>> Oh yeah. I think

>> Why can't I think of their name? It's

just so ridiculous. They interview world

leaders like Donald Trump. Uh I think

the leader in Israel. They they like

>> the Nek Boys.

>> Yeah, the Nelk Boys. Very ridiculous

because it's

>> No, I do like Patrick David a little bit

too, but uh the Nelk Boys. I listen to

them a lot too.

>> I was their shows are short and it's

just like how are you interviewing

Donald Trump? How is this even

happening?

>> Yeah,

>> it's outrageous.

>> It's like their poll is pretty crazy.

Uhhuh. [laughter]

>> Anything you want to make sure we talk

about? Uh, I'm just here happy to be

here and I'm kind of a an open book.

Whatever you want to ask. I think that I

love the the conversation going in

whatever way it needs to go.

>> Did I hear I'm not sure if this is

appropriate either, but I hear you

starting a secret podcast or something

or like

>> or it's not necessarily a secret

podcast, but it's uh me and my friends

uh Simon Lazot, Joey Tamalei. It's

called the Crush Pepper Podcast and

>> I saw a clip of this. It's more it's

like a lifestyle/ disc golf podcast.

We're all disc golfers and you know

that's what we're known for. So I'd say

about 70 to 80% of the podcast is disc

golf talk but we'll we'll go off on some

tangents and we'll have our own little

segments talk about what we want to and

just kind of let our own humor shine

through. So it's we've been doing it

since the start of this year. So we're

about 30 32 episodes in.

>> Okay. And it's just it's it's fun. Like

I'll go out to tournaments and people

come up to me and say like, "I love the

podcast. Don't stop." And it's it just

it's great to put yourself under

pressure in a conversation because you

know that there's

>> there's stuff at stake when you're

talking and it makes you lock in more

than you normally would for a regular

conversation.

>> Yeah. This is one good practice.

>> I think I recently heard from Joe Rogan.

And I thought it was a great point that

he one of the reasons he loves

podcasting is it's like the only time in

his life where he's fully

>> focused for a long duration of time and

not being distracted by his phone or

anything on the outside world. He's just

in that dialogue and that's not many

people have that anymore.

>> Yeah. I'd say like the only other time

that I really feel that is if I'm going

to watch a movie, [laughter]

>> which is wild to say because you go to

the theater,

>> like if you go to a theater, like not on

your couch because it's it's kind of sad

that when we watch a movie on our own TV

now where we have like two or three

screens operating at the same time, but

I just recently saw a movie and it I I

put my phone on airplane mode and I was

there focused on the movie. And having

this conversation now makes me think of

that because I'm not looking at my

phone. I'm looking straight at you right

now. I'm like locked in.

>> It's a It's a good reason like

everyone's in a way whether it's pot for

the public or not should be podcasting.

>> Yeah.

>> Especially with their family and their

parents.

>> Family podcast interventions. [laughter]

>> Why would Why would you not want

>> Throw a camera on it. Monetize it, baby.

[laughter]

>> Oh man. A um how's your family by the

way? I haven't seen your dad in a while

now that I'm not driving anymore.

[laughter]

I'm walking everywhere these days.

>> No family. My dad's good. He's just

doing his thing around Boulder. My

girlfriend's great. She started working

with Elixium and

>> like work like

>> or as a client.

>> As a client. Yeah. Uh-huh. No. No. She's

not taking on any employment with them.

Um and yeah, my my grandparents, they're

the same as they kind of always are. I

don't think you've ever met my grandpa.

I don't think I have.

>> Yeah. They're, you know, my grandpa's

getting old and has

>> old people problems. But other than

that, you know, everyone's good.

>> Or my mom's dad.

>> Your mom's dad?

>> Yeah.

>> Did we talk about your mom in the last

show at all? Do you remember?

>> I don't recall.

>> I don't recall either.

Can you tell us about your mom?

>> Oh, man. So, where do we start? Uh,

my mom was born here in in Colorado,

moved to Boulder, and I feel like she's

my number one link to loving Boulder as

much as I do.

>> She had a deep appreciation for the

mountains because when I was in the

womb, my mom and dad were thinking about

moving to Maine because my dad was born

on the East Coast. He's from Belmar, New

Jersey. And they went out there, they

were kind of scoping out the vibe and

they just they weren't feeling it. And I

I went to New Jersey this year and was

talking to my my aunt Moren and she is

very biased to the beach. Like she gets

recharged being by the ocean. Like she

can't imagine being away from that. But

my mom was on the other side because

they had a conversation where my mom was

saying like, "I just don't I don't

understand the beach life. I don't

understand the ocean. I need to look up

at the mountains and see the sunset

behind it. And

I feel the same way because I I love the

ocean and I want to be near there

sometimes, but when it comes down to it,

I need to come back to Boulder to

recharge. So, she she loved Boulder. She

was a certified yoga instructor and I

would say the the trends setter of the

family to a certain degree. She went she

was interested in a raw vegan diet from

when I was a very young kid and she she

got my dad on board and that basically

set the tone for my early childhood.

You know, it was I I was looking at old

videos this past year. My uncle gave me

this old flash drive and I got some

footage from Hawaii being at a David

Wolf retreat. Uhhuh. And me like

>> wait in Kilawea.

>> Um no Maui.

>> Maui.

>> Maui. And like me just like saying

off-the-wall things to David Wolf as I

was a kid.

>> How old were you?

>> I was like five.

>> Okay.

>> Wow.

>> Like calling him like Suavocado and all

these weird things, but that was kind of

like my interesting upbringing. Like

being raised in Boulder is already weird

and then being in the raw food vegan

community. And you know, it's wild

because while that fueled her and it

made her who she was, it was ultimately

a little bit of her downfall because she

got a little bit too into the weeds if

you will like she went off with some of

these like super guru type figures. Uh I

don't know if you even know these names

like Swami Vishuanandanda, Amora Dream

Seed. And originally like she one of the

saddest moments in my life was her

saying to me it's like I I'm going away

for a while and she went to California

for like 2 months and ultimately that's

when she died and I just knew something

was up. I was 9 years old. She said she

was she was leaving because she me her

she got a divorce with my dad when I was

7 years old and then there was some like

bumpy some some unfortunate

uh things that happened that she got

with another guy and then she you know

was living in a trailer park. So, it was

like a it was pretty stressful on me.

And my mom and dad were able to like

maintain good relations for a long

period of time, but she ended up moving

back in with her parents. And this was

in 2007. And my grandparents gave her an

ultimatum saying like, "You better move

out by X date because, you know, we

don't want we don't want you being at

the house anymore."

And this was her initiative to create

something for herself, whether it was in

like the new age like yoga. I don't even

really know what it was, but in those

parameters and she took off and she was

gone and then ultimately she went to

Harbon Hot Springs. I don't know if

you've ever heard of I have not been

there because I but I I've heard amazing

things about and I've also heard that it

got really messed up by a fire maybe

like five or 10 years ago, but I forget.

>> Yeah. But she went in the hottest pool.

She always was known for taking like hot

baths and uh she she passed out in one

of the hot springs and they had to call

the paramedics and they revived her. She

was conscious for like 20 minutes but

then uh then she transitioned to

[clears throat] another realm.

>> How old were you?

>> I was 9 years old.

>> Wow.

>> Mhm.

>> Wow. And it's wild because I think for a

for a while like I don't I had a really

good support system with my dad, my

grandparents. So I didn't really feel

the emotional hit

in like the short term, but as I get

older, I I feel like I have that that

yearning to understand my mother and

talk to her. And you know, there's

definitely a hole there in in

development who you are as a person. So,

it's like it's really hard to put into

words, but you know, it's uh it's

unfortunate, but it's who I am today.

And

>> you know, that's kind of that's the

story with my mom. I find that pretty

striking. The part where you said one of

the saddest moments of your life was

when she said she's going to go away for

a while. Mhm. And was that the last time

you

>> That pretty pretty much like she she

gave that announcement,

>> she talked to my dad about it and of

course no one was really on board with

her

>> and she she had her mind made up. That

was one thing about her. when she made

up her mind that that was the the end

result and she executed it

>> and uh ultimately it was her downfall

but you know it was it was her time like

in the grand scheme of things you know

that's what that's what happened and was

what was supposed to happen and you

don't have siblings right

>> I'm only child

>> okay man it definitely makes me uh want

to get to know your dad more too

>> like wow Um,

>> yeah, he's got a lot of things to say,

[laughter]

but you know, [clears throat] she was

she was a very

it's kind of like that Janice Joplin,

Jimmyi Hendris type of personalities.

It's like very

she burned hot and bright for a a short

period of time. What What's her name?

Her name was Stephanie. Stephanie.

And what year was that when 2007

and actually

bringing this conversation up is for the

longest time she her ashes were stored

in my grandma's closet and when I talked

to my grandma about it's like she they

almost suppressed the fact that I feel

like

she passed away. Like it's a touchy

subject. Like of course they're sad but

I I think they're almost refusing to

accept it. Mhm.

>> And the ashes just sat in the closet for

18 years. And I finally said, "This

year, I'm taking them." And her end

destination for her journey to

California was Mount Chasta.

>> And I took the the metal box with the

ashes and I I spread them on Mount

Chasta this year.

>> Wow.

>> And I feel like I finally put like a

little bit of closure to that story.

Um, Mount Shasta like you climbed up a

little bit or how

>> we drove up the road and got as high as

we we could to like a really nice spot.

>> Mount Shast is crazy.

>> It re Mount Chast is incredible.

>> It really is.

>> Like I I get you get like uh you get

goosebumps when you or what do you call

them? God bumps.

>> Yeah, god bumps. [laughter] Truth bumps

for sure. It is a place that will make

your hair on your arms stand up a little

higher.

>> Mhm.

>> And a lot of people are in that type of

energy up there. I would say it's like

the most like to be esoteric like crown

chakra place I've ever been.

>> Mhm.

>> Like people I don't know if people are

fairies or humans. It's like a little

bit of a hybrid.

>> There's something different happening

there.

>> Yeah. And it is the headarters of the

Sacramento River. Did you I think we

talked when you were there.

>> Yeah. I asked you is like is there what

are some must dos out there?

>> Did you get in the water there or that?

>> Well, we had to like go downstream a

little. They don't want they don't want

you in it.

>> Exactly. I went downstream to swim but

to bottle it right there. That's a

pretty special spot.

>> Mhm. Allegedly, the Crystal Springs

company was supposed to they were trying

to like monopolize that or buy that

spring. And I I think the fairies in

Mount Shasta like you saw how powerful

they are. They like apparently protested

it till it wasn't going to happen.

>> That's my understanding of that story

>> cuz I I remember like looking at Crystal

Springs bottles and some of the bottles

say like depending where you are in the

country, some were like Mount Chasta,

Northern California, and then others

were like up in um Maine. Yeah,

>> it dep it depends like their bottling

source.

>> Yeah, that's a whole crazy what a crazy

industry. The water bottle industry.

>> It may I was wondering about your mom

because the 2007

I I wonder if she ever saw the Rob Bras

like doing because she was in the raw

vegan thing like how crazy full circle

would that be?

>> Would be when was like the Rob?

>> I think the first video was right around

2007.

I think they were a little bit before

that because as soon as I think

>> because my dad was known in the area as

the the raw food guy. He him and my mom

and his my dad's girlfriend after my mom

and dad's uh marriage ended. They ran a

cafe called Life Transitions Cafe and it

was up on Fourth Street here. And

>> wait, who all did that?

>> My dad, my mom, and my dad's girlfriend.

Life Transitions

>> Cafe and it was a raw food, raw vegan

cafe and they would get, you know, 50 60

people up at the the house that

Lacricia, my dad's girlfriend, was

renting at the time and it was it was

wild. They'd bring like it was very

breaking normal. They had musicians

coming and then all the it all shut down

when of course the next door neighbors

like

called law enforcement and they had to

have like permits and then we realized

they realized that it was something that

they couldn't really do in the capacity

that they were doing it.

>> Wow.

>> But for

>> on Fourth Street.

>> Fourth street.

>> And where? Fourth and where? You

remember?

>> It was fourth and

>> Delwood maybe.

>> Okay. So a little Okay. A little north.

>> But after that my dad rent. Do you know

where the September school is?

>> Yeah. Well, I think I do.

>> So, right down Canyon is like this

colorful building.

>> He after the life transitions or right

around the same time, my dad started a

church called Chocolate Church and he

brought in speakers from you know,

Boulder or if you you know the the the

one church down in um Lakewood uh the

Science of Mind Church. I'm not sure if

you heard of it. It's like very like

it's a it's a great church. It's not

your typical typical uh

>> Christian church, but uh he'd get

speakers coming in and hence the name

chocolate church. He was under the

the the notion and the paradigm of

chocolate being the best thing ever. The

David Wolf, you know, just he was all

about cacao chocolate ceremonies and

that's how people got on board with it.

And it was uh it was quite the time to

be uh in Boulder in a raw vegan. I would

say that. And I I don't know what the

current raw vegan uh uh community looks

like in town, but I would say that that

was probably the peak in Boulder.

>> Sounds like it. Um does your dad still

like a big believer in cacao?

>> Kapow,

>> I would say probably not.

>> Okay.

>> He's a he's a bigger believer in uh

pasture-raised eggs. [laughter]

Um, are do you also go to the gold

enough to get eggs and stuff or where do

you

>> I try to Yeah, it's sometimes it's hard

to get to. Like I'm trying to I try to

go there as much as I can, but at the

same time it's like sometimes I can't.

>> Um, man, I had another one that was

following up from that.

>> You have any questions for me? I have no

popcorn questions this time.

>> Yeah, I'd say I have a few questions.

I'm curious during the Rob Brze era.

It's like how well did you know Paul

Czech?

>> Oh, okay. Um

>> because I

>> I got to know him the best out of all

the brothers for sure.

>> Yeah, cuz I I started listening to his

Living 4D podcast. He changed it to

Spirit Gym now and I probably got

through about 80 or so pod podcast of

his. That's another one that I really

like cuz he's just an insane wealth of

knowledge on every every topic. Like if

I'm like curious about something, I try

to I try to see what Paul checks on it

because I feel like what he teaches is

something that I'm very much aligned

with his his uh thought processing on

virtually everything.

>> Yeah. Yeah. He is a wow. A wealth of

knowledge, you said. That's a great way

to put it. Um, I wouldn't say I know

Paul Czech super well. What I will say

is this. I have a feeling that

>> out of all the [laughter]

out of all the people that have

interacted with Paul Czech that have had

the most intense experiences in the

shortest amount of time, I'm probably

near the top.

>> Wow.

>> Is my guess.

>> Mhm.

>> Just not not intensity in a way that

there was like

>> a physical altercation or anything, but

uh about as close as you could get.

which is crazy. Um, it's actually how JP

and I got to know each other. And

>> yeah, because he was a he's a

practitioner, right?

>> Yeah, he was a practitioner for 11

years, I think, if I remember the

numbers correctly. And he had like

literally just stopped working with Paul

when I had met

>> JP. It was like almost the same time at

same time. And uh I had met I think Paul

checked first and then I Yeah. explained

to I remember explaining to JP what an

intense interaction I had with Paul

Czech and that actually could kind of

catalyze a connection between JP and I.

>> Oh

>> yeah, [laughter]

>> maybe tell me off camera.

>> Yeah. Yeah, sure. Have you met Paul?

>> No.

>> Okay. I I would love to uh re I'm

actually going I'm flying to San Diego

tomorrow. Maybe I'll freaking see Paul

check. Yo, are you going to come fly

with the cameras? That guy when we every

time we interviewed him it like there

was something about the collaboration.

>> I saw like some of I saw some of the

interviews. I think there was one that

was like a longer version like that was

behind a payw wall.

>> Yeah. I mean, but all the short ones

>> Mhm.

>> I mean, I would say we're quite

responsible for a lot of each other's uh

success in a way. Like those interviews

were huge for people.

>> Yeah.

>> Like some of the biggest that might been

the biggest series of interviews I've

ever done was with with Paul Czech on

Vitamin Rob YouTube Vitamin RB. It

wasn't even on Rob like we were starting

a separate YouTube um interview channel.

So every interview we had with him was

crazy as you could just go on camera and

watch it was crazy cool and then the

times when the camera wasn't on it might

have been crazier especially between me

and him.

>> Wow. So it's like did was this like in a

week time span?

>> Um yeah. How did No. No. I think that

day when we did all those Vitamin RB

videos, I think we uh may have spent

like two days like went there one day

and did a bunch of footage and went

there another day and did a bunch of

footage and then went to his house and

did some footage and that's where when

we were at the I think he calls it the

heaven house. That's where things got

real.

[laughter] Unreal.

>> Wow.

>> Yeah, I know. I hate to be such a

teaser, but you know, maybe Paul Czech

and I can I would love to talk about it

publicly with him.

>> With him.

>> I I'll wish for that podcast. [laughter]

wish on the frequency of synchronicity

because that would be a a treat for the

listeners, I'm sure.

>> Well, that you're I'm happy you're

bringing him up because um Do you know

if he's still in the Heaven House? Oh,

he is. Well, that's in San Die. I'm

flying there tomorrow. I'm flying to

Orange County, actually. So,

[laughter]

>> and yeah, he probably has a Does he do

his podcast with videos?

>> Yes,

>> he does. So, I could theoretically Yeah.

>> Okay. Go to his All right. All right.

Seed planted. [laughter]

>> Seed is planted. And actually, he's the

reason I think I met Larard Hamilton.

And Lar Hamilton, I just saw Lar just

liked one of our video reels. Lar's like

a bit of a I [snorts] would like a

picture of Lar on my wall, too.

>> Yeah,

>> you Lar YL I like how you see Yavevel's

already doing it with his his clients.

>> We are the king makers. [laughter]

>> Um, you had a couple questions. You got

another one or I'll say the next one is

being a user of Tri vitamins. What do

you see the final evolution of the

brand?

>> That's a great question. I believe what

we're doing with this company is

encapsulating

the most nutrientdense

tried and trueue superfoods in the

easiest way to consume.

And that's what I keep aiming to do. So

we started bison liver and it's like

wait bison heart. Oh, wait a minute.

Bison testicles. Wow. And then I was

like, wait a minute. Elk antler. Wow.

Elk antler and bison testicles. These

are kind of like I have I don't know if

you know Ryder from the US ski team.

He's a college kid.

>> Um

>> he's one of the fastest skiers in the

world. He he just texted me today. He's

like, "Yeah, let me get a bunch of that

before you go because those are like

natural steroids." He thinks these are

natural steroids.

>> I need to stock up before my Hawaii

trip.

>> Yeah. What? Tell me about your Hawaii

trip because I know we could probably

talk about traveling all day, but

curious about what's on the radar there.

>> Yeah, I was in I was on Aahu earlier

this year for a wedding and it was my

third time to Hawaii. So, I went once as

a kid for the David Wolf Wolf retreat. I

was like five or six years old. My dad

took me back when I was 9 years old for

two months. I was on Maui in the Big

Island. Then I just remember one of

another really sad moment in my life was

leaving Hawaii for that second time

because I grown just such a connection

with those islands.

And it's been 18 years since I've been

back. So going to Aahu just respsparked

that feeling that I had. I'm like, "Oh

my gosh, this is

>> it's probably the best feeling ever."

and immediately leaving the island, I

was already booking my flights back.

[clears throat]

>> And I felt like the big island was is

the most affordable for one. So that's

why I I chose it. But there's also so

much to do. And mentioning like the

Saturn return, like coming of age, like

when I was 9 years old, I was like it

was kind of like my dad turning me into

a different version of myself,

especially that was right after my mom

died. So it was like a coming of age

thing. And now I feel like going into

the next portion of my life, I want that

Hawaii transitioner once again.

>> So wait, so you haven't been to the big

island for 18 years. Is that right?

>> Yeah.

>> Oh wow. Wow. I'm stoked for you.

>> Oh, I'm so excited. Like I I was in Wik

Ki on Aahu. I got a little bit up to the

Northshore and you can still feel the

aloha there.

>> Yeah.

>> But I mean it's still it's there's so

many tourists and it's concrete jungle.

But even being in Wik Ki and being on

the beach, I mean, you still get the

magic.

>> Yeah. Um, do you Where are you going to

be staying on the big island?

>> I'll be in Pajoa for one month and then

Captain Cook for That's right. You text

me.

>> I wanted to break it up just in case

like we get rained out in Pajoa because

it is going to be the rainy season and

then Captain Cook is

>> we should be getting sunshine.

>> Yeah, Captain Cook is so beautiful. It's

such a different They're so different

the different sides. But you'll have two

months there. Is that

>> two months?

Well, we'll have to stay in touch and

I'll give you some recommendations. I

mean, firstly, Hilo, the springs. There

are so many swimming springs on the edge

of the ocean.

>> They're geothermal, right?

>> Um, there are some in Poa that are a bit

geothermal from the champagne pools.

>> Yeah, those are a little different.

You'll see that water is a little more

stagnant,

>> but I think there's like some like heat

coming from lava tubes that's like

heating up this [snorts] tidal water

that comes in and out on low and high

tide.

>> Yeah. Um, but Hilo I'm saying they

actually have cold water springs like

hundreds of them that are going into

like white sand beaches go and the

water's cold

>> like just right in Hilo.

>> Yeah. Yeah. It's cold waters like the

ocean. Let's say the ocean 75. This

might be like 60s.

>> Wow.

>> And the turtles love hanging out there.

And Hilo is so aloha. Like it's such an

aloha. Like for as a surfer especially

because I've surfed in different spots

in Hawaii and yeah, wiki is one type of

scene. But the very opposite end of the

spectrum might be Honoli and Hilo and

it's just most Aloha vibes ever.

>> Yeah, cuz you were there earlier this

year.

>> Yeah, I love

>> We were there at the same We were in

Hawaii at the same time.

>> Yeah, but you were on Aahu. Yes,

>> man. The Big Island is so wild. It is so

wild. So raw.

Poa is maybe the most wild place I've

ever been.

>> That's what it seems like.

>> It's just different. You can just feel

the ground and like you see those lava

rocks and I mean there's big pigs there

too. Like lots of pigs in Poa. Um if you

ever want to try hunting with dogs or

without them or with guns or traps,

they're everywhere.

>> I'm going pretty much like unplanned out

there cuz I want to I want to have just

an adventure.

>> Well, I will say too, you got to get to

the top of Monaca.

>> That's on the list. I want to book a

tour when a new moon so the the sky is

completely dark. I hear it's one of the

most breathtaking breathtaking

experiences you could have just seeing

the stars.

>> Yeah, I've been there at sunset and

without seeing the stars it was the most

bre one of the most breathtaking things

I've ever done. First of all, you go

from sea level to 14,000 ft.

>> Like as fast as [clears throat] you can

drive there. They kind of require you to

stay at this one stop at like 10,000 ft

for an hour to acclimate.

>> But we took some people up there and

they couldn't get out of the car. It was

a little scary. Like my brother, I was

there last time with Timothy and Emerald

and they didn't want to go with their

baby and I was like that's fine. I

understand that because they really try

to scare people away from going to the

top.

>> But that top is like that is so intense

up there.

>> I'm I'm looking at tours. We'd

[clears throat] go up around like 7 and

then you're coming down at like 4 in the

morning.

>> That that's probably going to be

outrageous. And I I've not done this. I

would like to. Um it's just so in the

winter you might be snowing up there.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. It might be snowing while you're

up there.

>> Luckily, like with the tour, they'll

give you all like winter equipment

because you don't want to bring your

your puffy jacket to Hawaii.

>> There you might though. It gets real.

That's You can That's the thing I What I

learned was when I was in Hilo and I

think it was the winter side, I got a

staff infection. There's a lot of like

staff on the wet sides of the island and

um like what if someone would just told

drove me to the top of the mountain, I

would have been fine.

>> But no one did that. No one like told me

to do that.

>> Um, so I was just like stuck in this wet

area.

>> Mhm.

>> And I eventually there was all these raw

vegans. They're like, "Uh, you better do

something about that." I was like,

"You're telling me to do something about

that?" And like, "What?" And they're

like, "Yeah, I almost died from that."

And this other guy was like, "I did die

from that." And I was like, "But they're

like, so I went to I went to get that

antibiotic and I got on the plane and I

like saw my like wound heal cuz an

airplane's like one of the driest places

you can go."

>> But I just couldn't get out of the

wetness of the Hilo winter. I remember

that being in Hawaii like I was getting

munched by mosquitoes and then the guy

we were staying with like I had like a

scab that was like turning green and he

was like

>> you might want to get that looked at.

>> And what I would say is if that ever

happens just drive to go to the desert.

There's a desert on these islands that

I'm not sure why someone didn't advise

me that. I would have just camped out if

they were just like put some bent clay

and go up 12,000 ft and you'll be fine.

>> Right.

>> Yeah. I'd say like I I plan to bring

some like hydrogen peroxide and honey to

like rub on whatever wound just to keep

things clean.

>> Well, that's an amazing place. All

right, I know we better do these top 10

questions real quick. You have your next

show at three. Is that right?

>> We have meetings at three.

>> Yeah, I need to I got to get going to

San Diego. Got to get everything. Got to

get going. All right, top 10 questions

or or last 10 questions. Here we go.

We'll do them like kind of minute. You

know that you know the you know the

show.

>> Here we go. What's the most breaking

normal lesson disc golf has taught you

about life off the course?

Don't be so serious

while still walking that thin line of

being as serious you can possibly be.

>> The tight rope of s of seriousness.

>> Yes. You don't want to take yourself

seriously, but you want to have the

utmost structure and discipline to hold

yourself to a high level of excellence.

>> Why so serious?

>> That's a tough one to do.

>> Kind of like is that making that it's

walking that fine line for me to like

say that with a straight face?

>> All right. What's one belief that you

held as a vegan that completely shifted

after trying bison organs?

I'd say

the my relationship with life and death

is much more nuanced now and healthy cuz

I

I always watched the forks over knives,

earthlings, and I just thought to

myself,

why would people not choose veganism?

Like it just seems like it makes the

most sense. You're not inflicting harm.

But then once you realize that we're all

connected and we have this connection

with mother earth,

having the bison liver kind of

reinstalled that in me or reawakened it

or I can't even say reawakened because I

was vegan most of my life. It just it

triggered something in me and it just

was my

my functioning brain started thinking of

meat as food

>> but also like what I should be doing and

how everybody should be eating assuming

you're getting a really good source and

not factory farmed and eating an animal

that's lived off the land and

replenished the land in a regenerative

way.

Yeah, I it's funny you how you put that.

It reminded me too that bison liver, the

first product we made, was definitely

like a gateway supplement for me.

>> It's like a gate.

>> It It changed my brain.

>> Yeah, I think it did for me, too.

>> And that can especially happen if

someone hasn't had animal cholesterol in

a long time.

>> That said, there are aspects of being

vegan that I do miss because

>> people are always like, "Oh, you're a

vegan for so long and now you're not."

So, it's probably so much easier to go

out to eat and just live live on the

road and just the the overall

convenience. And it's not because I'm

like seeking out grass-fed like

highquality meat and I don't eat out

anymore basically. Like I'm trying to

source everything in an ethical,

highquality way. And it made life a lot

harder in some ways, but it's worth it.

>> I think you'll be very happy with the

meat quality on the Big Island. beef out

there and I've heard there's a bison

herd somewhere. If you find that out, I

heard that.

>> I'll try to find it for you. It's

probably in Himea if I had to guess.

>> Probably. Yeah, there are some weird

things going on that seem pretty cool.

All right. What's the wildest

synchronicity you've ever experienced

while traveling for disc golf? Wildest

synchronicity.

Oh, that's a tough one. There's so many.

There's so many and none are coming to

mind right now.

I would just say as like a blanket for

everything that happens out on tour is

like it's a it's this weird amoeba the

disc golf pro tour it and the disc golf

community. It's just incredible people.

It's a little bit less now but back in

the day if you ask like the old school

players it was just purely family and

everyone relied on synchronicity to get

by. And I still think I still think at

large going to play professional disc

golf, traveling throughout the country,

jumping in a van, you're relying on

synchronicity to to guide you and unfold

however way it does. Cuz that's that's

what disc golf is. It's like how well

can you throw a Frisbee through time and

space and how does it synchronize with

the wind, the the terrain, with your own

body? Like it's all it's all

synchronicity.

>> Jaw. [laughter]

Um, if every human had to master one

throw to master their life, which throw

would it be and why? I'd probably say

putting. It's the most mental. It's the

easiest to execute, but also the hardest

because you have to calm yourself down.

You have to have a strict routine. And

if you're mentally shook, then you're

gonna run into a lot of problems on the

green. So, it's got to be putting. It's

all in the head. All right. I I can

relate to that in so many different

ways. Um, what did losing your mom only

or sorry, what did losing your mom teach

you about what actually matters?

I I still feel like I'm getting new

lessons from this because as I get

older, I I understand how I felt as a

kid.

>> But if I were to put one thing on it is

it's it's not taking yourself too

seriously and being there for your loved

ones.

>> It's a simple profound idea. being there

for your family.

>> Yeah.

>> What's the biggest mistake players make

trying to throw like you? And what's the

real secret for the disc golfers out

there? You're probably throwing a disc

that is too fast. You're trying to throw

too hard. You really need to just drill

the fundamentals because the best

players are the players who can who can

have the strongest set of fundamentals.

also a metaphor for life. Um, what's one

thing about professional disc golf that

nobody talks about, but everyone should

everybody should

that it's a lot cooler than you think it

is. People

have a preconceived notion that disc

golfers are just all dope smoking

hippies and there are a that's a good

demographic. The pro tour, it's people

dedicating their lives to a craft and

it's a very difficult sport and it takes

a lot of mental fortitude, a lot of

sacrifice and there's it's you can be so

creative on how you express yourself

through your style, your style of

throwing. So, it's just with any type of

sport, there's just so much more than

meets the eye.

>> I believe that I've played a little bit.

I don't want to play more now hearing

you talk about it like this. Um, what's

the habit, ritual, or weird thing you do

before throwing that changes everything?

I have a lot of weird habits. I It

starts when I wake up is morning breath

work, getting some sort of light in my

eyes, whether ideally the sun, but if

not red light. just going through my my

routines that make me feel the most

eagle as I can. Mhm. And for me, that's

just being myself and expressing my own

authenticity because it's really easy to

have an Airbnb with a bunch of my

friends and they for some reason look

into you doing, you know, Wimhof

breathing or going outside and doing uh

rope flow with your shirt off and

they'll look at you and be like, "What?

Why? Why is he doing that?" But that's

just how I function and that's what I

like.

>> Oh, I definitely remember doing that.

Traveling on the road with a variety of

people for 10 years and a lot of them

didn't last for more than a few months

because

>> they probably weren't doing those weird

things that I was doing like every

morning getting breath work. You know,

when you're on the road when you're on

the road with like 10 random people,

you're learning how to get along with

those habits can be essential,

foundational.

>> Yeah. not not going out to eat and like

conforming to what everyone else

projection of you should be.

>> That's a that's a big one, too. Oh,

yeah. There would be so many times I was

out at restaurants and I'm just like I'm

just having a beer

>> and everyone else is just like

>> Yeah.

>> putting themselves down like 2,000

calories of canola oil.

>> Y. [laughter]

>> All right. So, number nine. What's the

one unsexy practice that made you world

class on and off the course? unsexy

practice.

One thing that I preach and I'm known

for is practicing very close shots until

you really can't mess them up.

>> It what there's a Bruce Lee quote. It's

uh the a man is not feared who has

practiced uh a thousand punches one

time, but rather the man who's practiced

one punch a thousand times. Or I think

it's not a thousand, but You could put

whatever number a million times. And I

think it's the same thing for for disc

golf is if you can

>> drill the fundamentals and get so good

at the basics, that's going to be a a

rock solid foundation for your

confidence and I'm getting back to that

now, which I feel like I lost. So, going

back to the roots.

Awesome. Great. Great. If you could give

your 15year-old self one message from

everything you know now, what is it?

Eat some liver. [laughter]

>> Oh yeah, you were probably looking for

it at that time, just not knowing.

>> Uhhuh. Take the leap of faith.

[sighs and gasps]

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