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>> Is that how your croissant croissant?

Bro, those croissants are real [ __ ]

bro, aren't they?

>> I was going to eat one bite. This is

what's left. [laughter]

>> I was like, I'll have a bite.

>> They're so good, man.

>> Too buttery. Well, how can how can a guy

lose as much weight as you lost and then

open up a [ __ ] bakery? Because I

started with them when I was so fat. It

was [laughter] perfect. Like I fell in

love with that place when I was close to

my fattest and I was like, "This is a

match made in heaven."

>> How big were you when you were your

fattest?

>> The most I ever weighed was 265.

[snorts]

>> Holy [ __ ] Yeah.

>> And what are you now?

>> 187.

>> That's insane.

>> Yeah. So it's like what? 80 lbs.

>> What does that feel like on your joints?

>> Feels great. I feel so much better. I

feel so much better.

>> Of course.

>> I'm lifting four days a week.

>> Wow.

>> Um Yeah. I just I lifted this morning.

>> Do you have a trainer or do you go solo?

No, he meets me there every day or every

day that I'm

>> Do you do that for accountability?

>> You know, I just realized that I I mean,

I've trained enough now where I can I

can do a good workout on my own, but I

always feel like I it's never as good as

when he's there.

>> It It's always, you know what I mean?

Like it's always a little bit harder and

I always feel like it's a better workout

when he's there.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. He pushes me. Sean,

>> so you've been with him for a while?

>> I've been with him for Yeah. for years.

Um, the other difference, the big

difference is that I've been I dialed in

not with croissants, but I've dialed in

my nutrition [laughter] a lot more. Like

I eat four times a day now and I I'm on

top of my macros. You know what I mean?

Things I've never done before.

>> You Why do you eat four times a day?

>> This nutritionist just gave me this plan

and I've I've been just doing it.

>> Interesting.

>> Yeah. So, I eat 50 grams of protein at

every at each of those four, you know,

four different meals.

>> Okay.

>> So, I end up getting 200 grams. So you

you do smaller meals that are lower in

calories but high in protein.

>> Yeah. Yep. And then I I also I I carb

cycle. So like I know on a like if like

today was legs, I know that it's it's a

more intense workout. I'll do the full

portions of these carbs, right? Which

sometimes is sweet potatoes or white

rice. But on a day if I'm like if it's a

rest day or I'm I'm doing like less

intense workout, I'll dial back how much

of those carbs I eat.

>> H you do you take a pre-workout?

>> I I have a preworkout meal every time.

So like in the morning I get I've been

getting up at 5:30. So I I

>> What?

>> Yeah.

>> What the [ __ ] are you doing, man?

>> I mean because I've been in the writer's

room on my on season two of Bad

Thoughts. So, I've been I've been

getting up at 5:30 and my pre-workout

meal are these like I guess it's like

mucili kind of like grains, you know,

with um with some honey, a little bit of

almond butter, and then I have uh Greek

yogurt with um a scoop of uh whey

protein. So, that's my pre-workout. And

after that, I go to the gym. And then

during the workout, I sometimes have a

like an intraworkout shake. Sometimes I

just Yeah. Yeah. Wow.

>> But I mean, I feel much better doing it

that way. I do. And then and then I eat

again about an hour after that workout.

So that's my second meal.

>> Then a few hours later is 3:00. And then

my fourth one is like around 6:00.

>> So you have your second meal by the time

it's like 8:00 a.m.

>> Uh maybe like 9:30. Yeah.

>> That's so crazy.

>> Yeah.

>> What time you go to bed at night?

>> Well, that's that's the key to this

whole [ __ ] thing. That's the key to

the whole thing is that you go to do

this. I got to do this and to do that I

got to do that and to do and to do that

I got to get up early and the only way I

can get up early is by staying on top of

when I go to bed. You know when we met I

was going to bed at 3:00 in the morning.

>> Normal stuff.

>> Yeah. And I would get up at like 11.

>> Yeah. Like a normal person.

>> Like a normal person. And then I would

say in the last decade

a lot of my bedtime kind of shifted to

like around midnight and then it shifted

to like a little bit like closer to 11.

In the last few months, like sticking to

this plan, I've started to go to bed

sometimes at like 10 10:30, which for me

is like very early,

>> you know? It's very hard. It was It's

the biggest challenge for me has been to

get to bed.

>> That's hard for me. That's hard. That

would be hard.

>> But I also I don't think I'm going to be

getting up at 5:30 forever.

>> This is just writer room stuff.

>> This is just writer room stuff.

>> Normally, you get up when 8?

>> Uh yeah, between seven and eight. Yeah,

>> that's that's reasonable. That's

reasonable. And I don't have to go to

bed at 10:00 to do that.

>> Yeah. When my kids are in school, I get

up at 7ish.

And then, yeah, usually between 7 and

7:15, depending on when they have to

leave, and then when they're not in

school, like right now today, I got up

at 8, which is pretty normal.

>> 8 feels good for me.

>> I got I got up around 7:30 today. If I

don't work out first thing in the

morning though, it used to be I really

used to like working out at night

because in jiu-jitsu I'd always like

doing at night. Morning classes were

tough. Tough to get in there early and

and train and also you don't feel warmed

up and you [ __ ] feel like

everything's going to get hurt.

>> Yeah.

>> Uh but nighttime I can't work out

anymore. I can't do that.

>> I've completely changed in this too

busy. I used to say, well, I will say

that like I feel like my strongest

between like 11 and 1, like the middle

of the day, is when I if you were like

draw up an ideal strength time, that's

when I feel like I'm like, "Oh, that's

when I'm at my best."

>> Why? Why do you think that is?

>> I think I you're

>> you woke up.

>> Yeah. You woke up, you're fired up,

you're warmed up,

>> and you're ready to go. And I feel like

>> a little food.

>> I feel good. But I've pivoted to now

really enjoying these first thing in the

morning workouts where I feel like my

whole day is set when I have those

workouts. And I also realize that if I

don't, I feel so much different through

that throughout that day.

>> Right. That's a good that's a good

factor. One, you get that first big win

in the morning. Yeah. You got it done.

You're you got good momentum going. But

also, you're more calm.

>> That's that's the big one. That's the

big one.

>> And focused, right? When we did that

sober October thing, we were all doing

crazy crazy cardio. One thing you said

to me that really rang true is like it

totally

silences all that internal chatter.

>> Yeah, it does.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. And and I think I think one thing

about the writer room is that you know

you have to be alert, you have to be

focused, right? you can't have all this

[ __ ] like the noise going on and you

know so it was a great way to show up to

the room is like

>> you have that win

>> you've done something hard and now I'm

ready to work

>> yeah for me um it's it's not just a hard

workout but generally has to have some

cardio in it

>> really

>> yeah cardio is what really shuts off all

the chatter

>> it is different than the weightlifting

>> yeah weightlifting is great

weightlifting makes you feel better like

you feel like energized you feel like oo

I feel good. But cardio is like I don't

give a [ __ ] Yeah.

>> Like when I when I have a really hard

cardio session, it's like I don't give a

[ __ ] I don't give a [ __ ] what's going

on. Everything's fine.

>> I noticed the difference between cuz I

was doing 45 minute cardio sessions and

when I upped it to an hour, the 15minute

difference for me felt like another

hour.

>> Like pushing it 15 more minutes was

really, really hard.

>> Well, that's when it's hardest. When

you're tired already. Yeah. You know,

when you're extending your cardio

capability. That's That's [ __ ] hard,

man. That's hard.

>> It's so important. It's so important to

do.

>> Oh, yeah. It's everything. You want to

wonder why so many people are out of

their [ __ ] minds. That's a big part

of it. They don't work hard.

>> I got so obsessed with some of these

this like these data and metrics about

this, you know?

>> Yeah. Just like

>> that becomes a problem.

>> Yeah. Well, I don't mean like that like

I have to do, but like the just the the

data that people are talking about as

people age of like if you're not lifting

and your bone density goes down or like

your V2 max like

>> learning about that stuff and going like

if you don't start thinking about that

at a certain age

>> one day it will be like so out of your

grasp.

>> I was just having this conversation with

Shane Gillis. I was like, "You have to

realize like 20 years goes by so fast

because I'm 20 years older than him."

And I'm like, "20 years ago I like that

happened. It was yesterday." Yeah.

>> And all of a sudden I'm 58

>> and 20 years from now I'm 78. That's

dead.

>> Yeah.

>> Like that's almost dead.

>> Yeah.

>> Like and and you can either be almost

dead and look like RFK Jr. or you could

be almost dead and look like Trump.

>> Yeah.

>> So kind of same thing. They're in the

same neighborhood like

>> and you have a choice. Trump's only

seven or eight years older than RFK Jr.

>> He doesn't look like it.

>> No.

>> Yeah.

>> And that guy did heroin for 14 [ __ ]

years.

>> Who did?

>> RFK Jr.

>> He did heroin.

>> Oh yeah. After his dad was assassinated.

>> He was a heroin addict.

>> Yeah.

>> No [ __ ] I didn't.

>> Yeah. When he was young.

>> People give him a hard time about it.

Like, hey yo, his [ __ ] dad got shot

in front of him. Yeah.

>> His dad who was running for president

got assassinated.

>> Yeah. That's

>> when he was a little kid.

Come on. You wouldn't do heroin. You

have no idea what you would do. And his

uncle got shot in the head in front of

the whole world.

>> Yeah. I mean,

>> not in front of the whole world. It

wasn't in front of the whole world until

several years later. But

>> he looks incredible.

>> He looks great.

>> Yeah.

>> He did uh 20 chin-ups in a row.

>> I saw that

>> at 70 whatever the [ __ ] he is.

>> That's very impressive.

>> That's insane.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. Modern science for the win.

>> Yeah. Now you Yeah. I mean Yeah. I think

about it all the time. I I because I

think the same way. 20 years goes by

real [ __ ] fast. Yeah. It's so fast,

dude. Before you know it,

>> that's why like there's guys that like

never got going with their life or they

got distracted with stupid [ __ ] and they

never really like focused on whatever it

is they do, what their career is.

>> And then you see them 20 years later,

they're in like their late 40s and

they're [ __ ] scrambling and

depressed. And

>> I'm friends with so many of them, dude.

>> Oh, it's a problem.

>> I'm friends with so many of them. Like

I'm in that age pocket where it's like a

lot of my friends are

>> in that like

>> they never did anything. Yeah. And

they're really they're really

scrambling.

>> Yeah. And they're really desperate. And

then they they want help, which is like,

hey, I can't [ __ ] hold your hand.

Exactly. You did this to yourself. Like,

you should have paid attention to what

we were all doing

>> all those years ago.

>> It's unnerving, too, when some of them

like I have friends who are like

>> you're like, dude, like we're in our

40s. Yeah. And you're you're And the

thing is, the worst part about it is you

realize how much of it is dictated by

fear. like they're just scared to do

things. It's like someone who's scared

to step in the gym or something, right?

You're like, you're you're just scared

to get your to take that step to do

something.

>> Scared to be uncomfortable is what it

is.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. That's the thing. It's like most

people are scared to be uncomfortable.

So, they're scared to sit down in front

of the computer and write. They don't

write cuz they're scared to to be I

don't The writing thing is the weirdest

one.

>> Fear of the unknown.

>> Cuz I don't understand why that's even

uncomfortable. But it is. I I get it. It

is. I I avoid it sometimes. I come home

and I'm like, I really should write, but

I could watch YouTube. Yeah. And then

I'll [ __ ] sit in front of the TV. I'm

like, I earned this.

>> Yeah.

>> And then I'll watch YouTube.

>> Anything to not do it. You look for

distractions.

>> The nights that I come home and I write

though, I always feel way better. I feel

better going to bed and I feel better

getting up. I'm like, I did what I was

supposed to do. Yay. Yay. Everything's

going good.

>> Yeah, you're right. Yeah.

>> When I just watch some [ __ ] random

YouTube video on ancient history.

>> Yeah. Yeah. It's like, okay, why am I

falling asleep at 2 in the morning and

forcing myself to finish this [ __ ]

hour and 50minute documentary on Syria?

>> I do it [ __ ] all the time. I'm like,

here's another Murder Doc. I'll just

watch this.

>> I don't watch those.

>> Oh my god. It's all I watch.

>> You know what I found out, too? I was I

[laughter] found in the writer room, and

I didn't realize this until I talked it

out. We were talking about

>> um you know, like cuz sometimes you're

like, "What about this idea?" Right.

Right. And someone will be like, "Well,

you know, on that episode of like 30

Rock or something." And I'll be like, "I

never saw that." They go, "You never saw

30 Rock?" And I'm like, "No." And then

they go, "Oh, well, you know, like on

The Office, I never watched The Office."

They go, "You didn't watch The Office?"

And then I started talking. I was like,

"Oh, I've never watched any of these

shows." And they're like, "What?" And I

go, "Yeah, I guess I just don't like

comedy." [laughter]

And they're like, "What are you talking

about?" I was like, "Dude, I've never

seen The Office, 30 Rock, Sunny, all

like the huge comedies of the last 20

years. I've never seen them.

>> I haven't seen them either."

>> Yeah. Well, so and I'm like, "Well, I

go, my rationale, my thinking is not

that I don't like comedy. It's that it's

like, you know, you I'm on stage all the

time. I'm doing comedy. My friends are

comedians. We're talking comedy. When I

get home and I want to watch something,

I don't want to watch that. I want to

watch something else."

>> I'm exactly That's exactly how I think

of it. I want to watch dramas,

thrillers,

>> something's interesting. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Stranger Things.

>> Yeah. So, I just end up never They're

like, "This is pretty crazy, though.

You're in a room of comedy writers and

you've never watched an episode of

comedy." And I'm like, "Yeah, I guess

that is kind of weird."

>> I I watched them when I was on one, you

know, I'd watch other sitcoms to see

what they were doing differently, you

know, cuz it was kind of a new thing for

me.

>> Yeah, that makes sense.

>> But, uh, after I was off news radio, I

swore off sitcoms, too. And but then I

did start watching them, some of them

with my family. Uh, one of them I

watched that I really used to [ __ ] on

and I was wrong is The Big Bang Theory.

Really [ __ ] good show, man.

>> I mean, it was a massive hit.

>> I was like, how is this stupid show a

massive hit? But it was because I had

seen clips online that were like retakes

that they did without the laugh track.

>> Uhhuh.

>> But if you know, if you ever worked on a

sitcom, you know what retakes are.

Retakes are brutal. like you didn't get

it right or the writers decided to

change something or there's whatever for

whatever reason you do a bunch of them

after the audience leaves you know so I

saw those without the laugh track and I

was like what is this this is not funny

this is terrible I'm like what is this

like mundane boring [ __ ] drone you to

sleep then I watched the show the actual

show itself I was like oh this is a

really well-written sitcom

>> and it's interesting because the main

guy is autistic and he is like

[clears throat] totally socially

[ __ ]

>> yeah And it's funny though. It's But

it's all about nerds. It's like It's a

good show. It's a solid show.

>> I mean, something that has that

something gets that popular like this

has to have something.

>> But that's like stuff that I watch with

my family. Like there's certain shows

that I only watch with my family.

>> Really?

>> Yeah. That's one of You know what just

happened with our kids is um they um

they they started, you know, they they

had like their movies that they always

watch and kids, little kids have just a

capacity to re-watch the [ __ ] out of

things that you're like, Jesus Christ,

>> I watched Frozen like 80 times.

>> Oh my god, so many [laughter] [ __ ]

times we watched these things.

>> We watched Home Alone [ __ ] 145 times,

right? Which is I think a lot of people

do. But

>> then all of a sudden we were like, "Oh,

here's The Simpsons."

>> And what we did was we started with

episode one of the Simpsons. Oh, wow.

>> And what I was so surprised by, I was

because I was taken by just how how good

the old one, like we're watching like

season one, season two, like the really

old ones where where everything where it

took 18 months to produce an episode.

This is, you know, they had to handraw

everything.

>> The the writing and the jokes in them

are so good and so funny. And you're I'm

watching these little dudes like get the

jokes and they're and it's really funny.

I mean, it's really good, but we start

from the beginning. How many episodes is

the Simpsons still on the air, right?

>> I think so. It's like season [ __ ] 42

or some [ __ ]

>> That is so wild. And no one gets old.

>> No, these characters are just cartoons.

>> And now they can do them uh timely

because of technology. So now they can

like produce it in a week or something.

>> Oh, that's crazy.

>> Yeah,

>> that's crazy.

>> Cuz they don't have to hand draw

everything.

>> Well, didn't they like farm it all out

to [ __ ]

>> I think so.

>> South America or some [ __ ]

>> They probably I'm sure.

>> Yeah, I think they did. Some Indian. I

think they they taught some Asian people

how to how to draw,

>> how to do it. And like I mean there's

something also that like you appreciate

about the old animation that's cool that

>> clunky. Yeah.

>> Yeah. It doesn't exist in the but it's

still it's so funny.

>> Like the first South Park. The first

South Park was super clunky. Yeah. What

would Barry Pano do?

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. [laughter]

>> And then they also embraced that it's

supposed to look this certain way,

right? Like they that whole thing was

like it's it was they embrace that like

the look is not like slick,

>> right?

>> Yeah.

>> I mean it's also you can get away with

so much more when it's not even remotely

realistic.

>> Yeah.

>> Like the time that gay teacher stuffed

Paris Hilton up his ass.

>> Like how could you do that on any other

show? Imagine if you you said we're

going to do um South Park but with CGI

and real people. They're like, "What the

[ __ ] are you talking about? Kenny's

going to die in every episode violently

and everyone's going to laugh."

>> What?

>> No. Yeah.

>> What? His brains splattered all over the

concrete. Oh my god, you killed Kenny.

>> You killed Kenny.

>> What?

>> Yeah, it has to be.

>> No, it has to be fake.

>> Fake. Yeah.

>> Yeah. And it has to be fake kids.

>> Totally.

>> Cuz kids are kind of They bounce off

stuff. They get hurt. It's kind of

funny.

>> Yeah, they do.

>> Yeah. They just [ __ ] They don't get

hurt as easy. When they get hurt, it's

like not that big a deal. They bang into

things. Whereas an old person falls in

the bathtub, they break a hip, and

they're dead in a year.

>> My youngest like slow falls all the

time, and we're [laughter] like, "What

the [ __ ] is going on?" And he's never

hurt.

>> He's practicing.

>> Yeah. He's just like And he tumbles.

>> Yeah. Well, they're [ __ ] made out of

like they're they're flexible. They're

all pliable and [ __ ]

>> Yeah. The way they even like the way a

kid can sit and you're like, "How are

your legs doing that, bro?"

>> After a while, [ __ ] gets stiff.

>> It gets real stiff. Yeah.

>> Do you ever do any yoga?

>> I did. I haven't in a while.

>> Well, remember when we did it? That was

our first challenge. Right.

>> I do. And that was awesome. And then a

few like a year or two ago, I I started

doing some yoga here and it was so

challenging. I was like, "Fuck, this is

really hard."

>> Was it the same kind or different?

>> Um, just like No, it wasn't it wasn't a

hot yoga. It was just like, you know,

you're going through all the positions.

I don't know how to even describe it.

>> Yeah, all the poses. And I was like,

man, I was, you know, shaking in in

certain poses. And I was it was really

challenging and I have not done it in a

while. I probably should do it again.

Was it the same kind of yoga though or

were the poses different?

>> No, the same kind of poses. The same

kind. Yeah. Just not hot.

>> Hot's the way to go.

>> Hot's rad.

>> Yeah, it's harder.

>> It is. I remember I did do a hot yoga

here in Austin like in July. I was like,

this isn't much different than outside

right now. [laughter]

And uh I I remember like feeling so

relieved when I saw somebody tap out of

the room before me. I was like, I can't

tap out first. [laughter] Just watching

people. want some guys. I was like, I

got to get I was like, all right, I'm

going to get out of here in a minute.

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>> I remember the first time I did it, I

was like, I can't believe how hard this

is. I can't believe all these little old

ladies are walking into this thing with

this rolled up foam mat and I'm like,

>> you guys think you're working out?

>> Yeah.

>> Meanwhile, they're working out way

harder than me.

>> I was literally getting strangled and it

was easier. I was going to jiu-jitsu and

I was getting [ __ ] arm barred and

that was easier. Yeah. Than going and

and [ __ ] stretching my feet out with

these little old ladies

>> and seeing like how these mother like

you'll see somebody who's like [snorts]

physicality is not like that not like

they look fit let's say but you're not

like holy [ __ ] look at this person

>> and the way that they're holding

themselves

>> up on their hands and their whole body

is sitting on on you know what I mean

like their knees are on their elbows and

you're like how the [ __ ] are you holding

yourself like this?

>> Yeah. And very impressive. It's a weird

It's a impressive thing that you only

know it's impressive when you try to do

it.

>> This is why I have this uh theory that

everybody should try things like that

jiu-jitsu a boxing class even if you go

one time just once, right?

>> To have just so you have an idea of what

you don't know,

>> right?

>> You know what I mean? Because like every

dude thinks he can fight,

>> right? you know, and I'm like, I know my

limits so much in that regard because

I've been in classes. I've done classes.

>> So, I I know so much. I'm not an expert,

but I know how much I don't know. You

know what I mean? Like, yeah,

>> I've rolled on I've done jiu-jitsu

classes. I've done boxing classes, and

I'm like, "Oh, this these guys can

[ __ ] kill me." [laughter] You know,

>> but you don't know that before you do

it,

>> right?

>> You don't know how hard that [ __ ] is.

>> Yeah.

>> You don't know. I mean, like, boxing is

a funny one because people think they're

like, "I can throw a punch." Like, you

don't even have the fundamentals of of

how to throw a punch. You don't even

know how to throw a punch technically.

>> Not only that, how many can you throw

before you're totally exhausted?

>> Oh, the the exhaustion is is is real

crazy.

>> How many you got in your tank? You got

10 punches.

>> A lot of people like throw they throw

hay makers and they think they're

throwing it. You're like, that's not

even a punch, you Oh, it is if it lands,

>> I guess, but it's not like it's

definitely not a punch that would would

really have that much of an effect on

somebody who knows what they're doing. I

mean, you could probably land that on

someone who also doesn't fight.

>> You can land a lot of things on people

if they don't know you're going to punch

them.

>> Yeah.

>> That's why sucker punches work.

>> Yeah. Whenever I when I used to teach

martial arts, one of the first things I

would tell people is you have to realize

that action is so much faster than

reaction. So, the reason why a sucker

punch works is because you have no idea

that this person is going to do it and

then by the time they're doing it, it's

too late.

>> It's too late for you.

>> You don't react in time. That's why

people get punched like that. You can't

I'm like, you can't ever let anybody get

close enough.

>> You can't ever let anybody that's

threatening you get into position where

they think like you think that they

could hit you and you you don't know

what's coming,

>> right?

>> Because it can happen too fast.

>> So, that's why you got to you have to

have your awareness to uh that somebody

approaching you is already a threat or

can

>> 100%. Yeah. Like remember the time I got

in that stupid thing on Fear Factor?

>> Yes.

>> With that guy? That was 100% my thought

process. Like this guy could punch me in

any second.

>> Yeah. So you have to act.

>> Yeah. I had to grab him. But it was one

of those moments where I was like, "All

right, this is a very angry person

that's already irrational. What's most

irrational?" Sucker punching the host.

>> Yeah.

>> And also, this is like, you got to think

of reality TV. What is everyone trying

to do? Everyone's trying to go viral.

They're all trying to have a clip that

gets played over and over again. They're

all trying to get everybody to watch the

show. So, they're all acting in the most

outrageous way possible.

>> Yeah.

>> I think it's like between that and

social media, it's it's been like poison

in our civility in our culture. The way

people communicate, the way people view

like famous people is totally different

now. Cuz you used to be famous because

you were Amy Winehouse. Like, oh, I love

your music. Now it's you're just famous

for whatever the [ __ ] reason. being

famous for just acting a fool. Like just

being a complete [ __ ]

>> Yeah. Being some guy who's famous for

stealing people's hats.

>> Yeah.

>> Just run up and grab people's hats

everywhere. That's That's your TikTok.

>> Or Yeah. You go up to people and like

you whisper in their ear when they're at

they're at like a a Home Depot and

people go, "Hey."

>> Speaking of which, did you see what

Andre Arloski got into it with these

[ __ ] influencers? I bet they didn't

know who he is.

>> Yes, I did see a clip of that.

>> Yeah, I bet they didn't know who he is.

They started [ __ ] with former UFC

heavyweight champion Andre Arlovski.

>> Yeah. Not a good move.

>> He's all, first of all, he's [ __ ]

gigantic.

>> Yeah.

>> And he's one of the baddest

[ __ ] ever. Like that guy just

recently retired from the UFC or was

released, I should say. He's not even

done fighting. He started fighting.

>> He was he won the UFC title, I think, in

2005.

>> Yeah.

>> That's 20 [ __ ] years ago. And the guy

was still beating people that are like

elite fighters just a few years ago.

>> And that's who you go pick on.

>> You go pick on that guy.

>> Good [laughter] luck.

>> I think he beat Travis Brown in like

2016 or 17. Travis Brown was super

legit. Real dangerous.

>> Yeah,

>> Arloski was a bad [ __ ] dude.

>> I went to a a Travis Brown fight once

with you.

>> Travis Brown was a bad [ __ ]

Travis Brown completely changed the way

people look at the clinch because he

elbowed so many people into oblivion. If

you got a hold of a single on that guy

and your head was right there or a

double, anything where you're trying to

take him down against the cage and hit

your head is right there. That [ __ ]

dude boom. Yeah, he we literally called

them Travis Brown elbows

>> cuz everybody does it, but Travis Brown

did it better than anybody.

>> That and those um those forearm

>> shots that people take, you're like,

>> "Yeah, it's brutal. It's such a brutal

sport." It's It's so crazy.

>> That is so [ __ ] crazy. Yeah, I would

not [ __ ] with somebody. I mean, I don't

[ __ ] with anybody, but like if I saw

that guy be the last guy I'd be like,

"Oh,

>> so many people out there in the world

now know how to fight." When I was a

kid, almost no one knew how to fight.

There was like wrestlers, never [ __ ]

with wrestlers, and there was like, "Oh,

the guy, he's Golden Gloves boxer. Oh,

don't [ __ ] with him." Yeah. Like,

everybody knew who you could and

couldn't [ __ ] with.

>> Now, everybody knows something. And

kids, they learn just by wa they'll

they'll watch a Charles Oliver fight and

they'll practice in their [ __ ] living

room and next thing you know, they they

know how to do a real triangle.

>> Yeah.

>> Like, you can watch a lot of [ __ ] on

YouTube videos and learn without even

taking classes. When kids are like

learning, some athletic kids, like a kid

that maybe is really good at baseball,

really good at soccer or something like

that, you can teach him some moves

pretty quick and he's he's going to know

how to deliver it.

>> My oldest does does it twice a week and

he's been he's he's athletic kid. He's

got some proficiency and he keeps moving

up, you know, and kill you.

>> Well, he start we also start we [ __ ]

around because he's they're two little

boys. this dude will immediately like go

just put me in an arm bar. And I'm like,

yo. [laughter]

And I'm like, and the only thing that

like saves me is that I'm still so much

bigger, you know, and and stronger. But

I'm like,

>> you might have to start taking classes

or he's not going to listen.

>> The clock is ticking.

>> When he's like 16 or 17.

>> Oh, no, no, no. Yeah, that would be a

problem. Real problem.

>> Well, that's also a weird problem, too,

because all of a sudden you can do

things to men. Like I remember thinking

that when I was like 16, 16, 17 when I

was competing.

>> Yeah.

>> I all of a sudden I could beat men up. I

was like, "This is crazy. This is

>> crazy." Yeah.

>> Yeah. This is weird. All All my life men

were terrifying. Like men were Men get

angry. Men will hit you. You run from

the men. And now I'm like, "Oh, [ __ ]

this grown [laughter] ass man up." It

was crazy. It was a crazy transition.

>> I can see his wheels turning, dude.

>> Right. So he's going to know he can do

it now. So he's going to want to do it.

Come on, Dad.

>> Come on, Dad. Come on, Dad. What are you

going to do, Dad? Like, you're [ __ ]

grounded. [ __ ] you. I'm not grounded.

I'll choke you out. Like, what?

[laughter]

>> You're in the [ __ ] hallway. You can't

even get away.

>> Yeah.

>> And he's 17 now. He probably weighs a

buck 80.

>> And they

>> kind of ripped. He's got abs. They get

embarrassed.

>> Oh, yeah. They called us and they're

like, "Hey, he's really good." They're

like, "For they're like, "He's he's he's

really got a skill at this."

>> Well, jiu-jitsu is athleticism is

massive, but also intelligence. It's

hard to be dumb and get really good at

jiu-jitsu. He's a smart kid. The other

thing that's very different, and I think

you see this when you have m when you

have more than one, you know, you have

two kids or more,

>> you start to see that like, oh, some

qualities in people's personalities are

innate qualities, right? Like you just

especially because, you know, you have

your one, you're like, oh, this is what

every this is what a kid's like. Then

you're like, oh, the other kid's not

like this. They have these other

qualities, right?

>> And one thing about him that you just

pick up on by being his parent is he's

like he's very competitive. like very

very competitive and so he's

intelligent, he's competitive and he's

athletic

>> and so you go like oh yeah he's he's

just very driven, you know,

>> well he should probably compete cuz when

you're young, if you learn how to

compete when you're young, oh my god, it

has so many benefits for the rest of

your life because it's so scary and then

you overcome it and if you become

successful at it, you kind of feel like

you could be successful at anything.

>> Yeah.

>> Because you've been successful at

something that's scary.

>> Yeah, exactly. He got into

>> Get him in tournaments, man. He got into

uh running.

>> Oh boy.

>> So like a couple years ago I was getting

ready. We were going to do a 5K and I

was way out of shape. I was like I got

to start running. So the first thing I

did is I ran a mile

and he tried to run with I mean he was

like you know let's say like seven years

old or something. And I ran the mile in

like I don't know 930. I was I mean I

was dying right? I was like [ __ ] it. Oh

my god. He couldn't quite keep up with

me in this one mile run. He's a

seven-year-old kid. This year he ran two

miles in 1238.

>> Whoa.

>> So he ran six and six

>> cuz he didn't like the fact that he

wasn't good at running.

>> He just [ __ ] and he would get up and be

like, "I'm going to go train." I'm like,

"Okay." [laughter]

>> Oh, Jesus Christ. You got a psycho.

>> Yeah, he he's a psycho.

>> He's a psycho.

>> He's running up hills and [ __ ] And I

was he he's like, "Come with me." And so

like I have an adult with me. He's just

running up and down this hill over and

over and over. Yeah. He's like very But

it's self. It's not me going, you got to

go run,

>> right? You know, it's inside his head.

>> It's in his head.

>> Wow. If I was a coach, I'd be like, "Get

that kid young. Grab him.

>> Grab him."

>> That's what we want.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> What you want is an intelligent psycho.

>> Mhm.

>> You know, intelligent, driven, hyper

competitive psycho.

>> Hyper compet. The other kid, my

youngest, will walk up a flight of

stairs. He goes, "My legs hurt."

[laughter] Like I'm like, "What?" He

goes, "I want to go rest." I'm like, "We

just walked up a [ __ ] flight of

stairs." [laughter]

He's like, "I know, but my legs are

killing me." Like, it's completely

[snorts] different.

>> It's so funny that that that is such the

case. It's such the case. It's It's

interesting because there is this

thought of like what a personality is.

Like, where does it all come from? It's

like a combination of so many different

things.

>> It's a combination of nature, nurture,

genetics.

>> It's everything. You're right. My

>> It's also being exposed to things that

bring that out of you.

>> Yes.

>> You know what I mean? Like imagine if he

had never been exposed to the running,

never done jiu-jitsu, never done

anything. Then what happens to that?

Yeah.

>> The other kid, he's like um

>> you could tell he has he has he has like

a comedian's

mindset

>> cuz he's he's a complainer,

>> you know? Like every like funny person

complains.

>> Oh yeah.

>> Like the other day I was in the writer

room and I ate something. I was like in

the writer room but I was my stomach was

like [ __ ] me up all day. I was on the

toilet. I was like it was like brutal to

get through the day.

>> All the macros. I get home and I I he's

in my room watching TV and I lay down. I

go, "Hey, can you turn that off cuz like

uh I want I want to rest. Like my

stomach is bothering me." And he goes,

"Oh, you want to snooze?" [laughter]

>> How old is he?

>> Seven.

He goes, "You want to snooze?"

[laughter]

>> He goes, "I almost [ __ ] threw up

today." And I go, "What?" He goes,

"Yeah, my stomach's been I go, Dude,

I've been on the toilet for like 3

hours, please." And he goes, "All right,

why don't you have your little snooze?

I'll go out here." He's like very

animated, you know?

>> It's hilarious.

>> And then he saw me wear a suit.

>> This is insane. He saw me wear a suit.

And I'm like walking out of the house

and he goes, "Hey." I go, "What?" He

goes, "Where's my suit?" And I go,

[laughter]

"What?"

And then I'm not kidding you. He goes,

"I look like a [ __ ] asshole."

[laughter]

I go, "What are you talking about?" He

goes, "You're in a suit. I look like an

asshole." He goes, "Get me a suit." And

I go, "Oh my god." I go, "You don't need

a suit." And he goes, "Yes, I do. Why do

you get to look like that? I look like a

[ __ ] asshole." [laughter]

And I was like, "All right, bro." He's

always,

>> you know, I mean, he's always like

complaining.

>> That's complain. And it's just funny cuz

we

>> That would be an an amazing sitcom

scene.

>> I know.

>> If you had a kid like that, that would

be I look like a [ __ ] [ __ ] That

would be an amazing scene.

>> We call him Joe Peshy [laughter] because

he's always talking like that. He's

always bothered, you know, he's always

hot and you're like, [snorts] "This is

not a big deal, man." He's like, "Yes,

it is."

>> That's hilarious.

>> Always dri Yeah. He's just fired up

about [ __ ]

>> That's hilarious. That's

>> But that's also in him. You know what I

mean? It's part of his personality.

>> Yeah.

>> It's weird. It's like kids get something

from you, right? They get some genetics

and then they kind of get whatever that

gift the universe gives.

>> Totally.

>> Whereas like that kid is not like either

one of us. Like where'd you come from?

Christina thinks that he she's every

time he's like fired up about something

and I'm like look at this kid she goes

that is you [ __ ] you.

>> I'm like no. And she goes yes.

>> Well you have a little of that in you.

>> Yeah

>> you definitely do. I remember one of the

thing one of the most impressive things

about our sober October thing was you

got the flu and so you were out of it

for like a couple of days and so the

moment you got back where you felt good

you ran like 15 miles

>> in a day. Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] Yeah,

>> bro. We were all going nuts.

>> Yeah, I was cuz I was like, I can't be

like dead dead last. You know what I

mean? Like I was like, I just can't. I

was in the gym at the old studio with

Ari and Ari uh he's like, can I use your

gym? I'm like, of course. He's like,

after the podcast, I'm going to work

out. I got to get my numbers in. And so

I was hanging out with him while he was

rowing and he's got a [ __ ] six-pack.

>> Yeah.

>> I was like, this is crazy. Go, Ari, you

have a six-pack now. I go, you're

ripped. I go, you look great. He's like,

"Oh, thanks."

>> And he was just [ __ ] rowing. He rode

for a full hour, man, with a chest strap

on, like racking up his numbers.

>> It was the same voice in his head going,

"Don't be dead last."

>> We all We all knew your crazy ass was

going to be

>> going like totally psycho. So, we were

just like, "We can't be dead last of the

rest of us."

>> Ari was trying to beat me.

>> Yeah,

>> 100%. I know he was.

>> Yeah, but you were like pissing blood.

We were like, "All right, [laughter]

this guy's this guy's a little too

crazy."

>> [snorts]

>> Well, I decided one day to just like

take it to to like the I wanted to see

like what can I do that was the day I

did seven hours of cardio,

>> I think,

>> and set off my alarm in my gym for my

sweat.

>> Jesus,

>> I set off the fire alarm

>> from just being so hot.

>> There's a video of it. There's a video

on Instagram of the puddles on the

ground are the most preposterous thing.

I I sweat puddles.

>> I think your wife too, right? Cuz my was

like can't do this anymore.

>> She was like, "What are you doing? Like

you're not spending any time with your

family. You're just like so obsessed

with this thing.

>> It was like I um I rem.

>> Yeah.

>> That's what it was like for me. It was

like, "Oh, I forgot that guy's in

there."

>> Yeah.

>> I don't necessarily like that guy.

>> Yeah.

>> He He scares me. It's like I don't like

something. Scares me. Not Not being

dramatic. This is what it is

>> that that could derail your life. So you

could that obsession could take over

again with something with anything and

then I won't be doing anything but that

thing like that's one of the reasons why

I like to do a lot of stuff is because I

I don't want

>> one obsession

>> that yeah I don't want that one

>> that brain to focus on it's not good for

mental health. It's really good for

success like if you're [snorts] really

going to get

>> really good at one thing that's the

thing but for overall happiness I don't

find that to be appealing. I don't like

that feeling. Like that sober October

feeling was kind of crazy.

>> This is kind of why like I feel like I

I'm trying to embrace a lifestyle that's

not that's accessible but not dramatic.

Like I could go and go I'm going to do,

you know, two and a half hours at the

gym every day. And I'm sure my results

would would show,

>> right? I want to look like Iron Man or

whoever. But the my problem is like

>> is like it's like not that doesn't feel

like I'm going to run out at some point

and be like this is unsustainable. So

I'd rather

>> it's going to take from your other

things.

>> Yeah. Exactly. I got I got to do it

where like I'll do an hour and change

what you know of training and then try

to dial in eating and like that's that's

you can keep that.

>> Yes.

>> That's that's sustainable,

>> right? Exactly.

>> Yeah. Um but it's like what are you

trying it depends on what you're trying

to do. So like we both have families. We

both have a lot, you know, there's a lot

of people in our lives. You can't just

be a maniac and focus on one thing.

>> 10 hour like Gordon Ryan, that's his Abu

Dhabi belt up there.

>> Oh yeah.

>> That guy trains 365

days a year.

>> Yeah.

>> He doesn't take [ __ ] you for Christmas.

[ __ ] you for your birthday.

>> Oh, it's Easteression. [ __ ] you.

>> Well, that's how he became the best of

all time. Like if you really want to do

something, but but he doesn't have kids.

>> He's not married. He's only, you know,

now he's 30, but he did all this when he

was in his mid20s.

>> That's also the the age to be that

obsessed with something.

>> Exactly. Especially if you want to do

this one thing that everybody else is

working really hard, too. You got to

figure out how to separate yourself. And

it's like if you're running an

ultramarathon and you have 200 miles to

run and you take time and you're running

and you're running at a really good

pace, maybe even a faster pace than

other people, but then you take naps.

You take a nap for an hour or two hours

or three hours and then you say, "Look,

it'll be better this way and then I'll

be revived. I'm still really ahead."

That guy who's not going to take any

naps is going to beat you. Yeah. Because

he's just going to keep running. He's

going to keep running and before you

know it, a lot of these ultras, like the

guy who wins, they win by like 10 hours.

>> They win by nutty time. Courtney

Dewalter, the lady who was on our

podcast once, she ran the Bigfoot 240, I

think, and I think she was like eight

hours ahead of the second place person.

I kind of don't understand the mentality

that the ultra people have. Like I feel

like it's dark.

>> Yeah. I'm like I don't get it. How do

you how you actually get there?

>> Well, you you have to be a complete nut

and then you have to want to test

yourself to the point of almost death

because that's what these people are

doing. They're running like Gogggins.

[snorts]

He ran one of these [ __ ] things, got

rabdo. So rabdomiosis was when you you

you worked out too hard. Your body can't

recover and you start pissing brown real

bad. Your kidneys are breaking down. He

had to go to the hospital. Went to the

hospital, got out of the hospital,

completed the race, [sighs]

>> and then he did like a 100 push-ups.

He's [ __ ] like there's he he's like

he's getting to the door of death.

>> Yeah.

>> Just the door.

>> And that's how he feels normal.

>> Yeah. He feels alive by like getting his

body to and he's 50 by the way.

>> [ __ ] crazy.

>> Yeah, he's a maniac.

>> Did you watch, by the way, did you watch

the um Anthony Joshua Jake Paul?

>> I did. Of course I did. Yeah,

>> I would I would have guessed.

>> Yeah, I had to watch it. It's spectacle.

>> Yeah.

>> Um

look, that guy did great for someone

who's been boxing for like less than a

decade.

He has had no real um professional

opponents other than Tommy Fury that

were legitimate world-class boxers.

>> I don't even remember what happened in

the Tommy Fury.

>> He lost a close decision, but it was a

good fight. It [clears throat] was a

good fight though. He's a good boxer. If

he wasn't a YouTuber, people would be

way more impressed with him. The problem

is he was like a famous kid and then no

one took him seriously.

>> Yeah.

>> But

>> Oh, and then he started too with like

more spectacish fights. People were

like, "Oh, this is you're he fought, you

know, Nate Robinson, like a basketball

player."

>> But the thing is, he knocked Nate

Robinson knocked him the [ __ ] out. And

it's the way he did it that I was trying

to tell people. I'm like, "No, no, no.

That was skillful." So, like there's

there's like boxing matches where you

see two guys just slugging it out. One

guy lands a punch and yeah, he landed a

good punch.

>> What Jake did is he slid back and landed

a punch. Yeah.

>> It's like the athleticism along with the

intelligence, the technique. I'm like,

he's not even doing it that long. And

he's also hyper competitive even though

he's wealthy,

>> you know, like you would assume that

wealth would take away your drive for

competition.

>> He's also nuts, right? Just the fact

that he's willing to fight the two-time

heavyweight champion, former Olympic

gold medalist,

>> a guy who's gigantic in his pride, built

like a Greek god.

>> Yeah.

>> And and you're going to stand and he's a

one punch killer. And you're going to

stand in front of that guy. And he

avoided shots till the sixth round. He

just started getting tired.

>> Yeah. His movement in that fight was

crazy.

>> It was very good. Yeah, it was very

good.

>> He was really keeping him moving around

the whole ring. And then

>> you can't afford to get tired. And

that's the thing is like he gets tired

in a lot of his fights in the later

rounds. You should really sort that out

because if you did if he had a much

bigger gas tank, like if he was training

with uh like some of these elite

worldclass strength and conditioning

coaches and just worked on his cardio,

he'd be beating way more guys.

>> You think so?

>> Yeah. 100%. But it's like what he's

doing is learning how to box and he's

boxing and he's training hard for sure.

But the to to get that worldass gas

tank, you need like a Sam Caliva. You

need like a Nick Kers on. You need like

these plyometrics experts that are got

heart rate monitors on you and they're

they're checking when your recovery is

ready and go. And you're [ __ ] Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You need guys

monitoring your recovery, monitoring

your heart rate variability, your V2

max.

>> I don't and maybe he is, maybe I'm

wrong, maybe he is doing that, but

whatever it is, it's not enough.

>> It's not enough because in so many of

his fights, like the Nate Diaz fight, he

gets tired in the later rounds. In the

beginning, look,

>> if that guy is only fighting three

rounds, he's a [ __ ] handful. He's

really good.

>> Yeah,

>> he clocked Anthony Joshua. He did hit

him with a big right hand.

>> He did.

>> Didn't have any effect. Yeah,

>> because he's, you know, really he

weighed 216, but he's he's don't doesn't

even have abs, right? At 216. He could

easily weigh 190. I'm sure he could make

190. Yeah. Anthony Joshua's gigantic.

>> So big.

>> He's so big. He's so much bigger. So, of

course, like his punch that he knocks

Tyron Woodley out cold with, Joshua just

eats it.

>> Yeah,

>> cuz he's a giant. [laughter]

>> He's a [ __ ] giant man.

>> So big, dude.

>> He's so big. He's ter I give I give Jake

so much credit for stepping into that

ring,

>> bro. He got hit with a bomb. A right

hand bomb

>> when he got hit with that too. I don't I

don't know if enough has been made of

the fact that I mean it was absolutely

devastating. But the fact that he had

awareness immediately to go like like he

looked at the oh [ __ ] like wow it wasn't

cracked. I think he went into that fight

knowing that was probably going to

happen and ultimately the big win for

him would be that he was even willing to

do it and that he could do well for a

little bit.

>> For a little bit. Yeah.

>> Yeah. And then eventually just deal with

the fact that Anthony Joshua is going to

ko a bomb.

>> Yeah.

>> And breaks his jaw in two places.

>> Yeah.

>> He's [ __ ] His jaws wired shut now. He

lost teeth.

>> See, I mean, he made it to the sixth

round.

>> Yeah.

>> Pretty wild. Do they put your teeth back

in when they pop out like that or are

they gone forever?

>> I don't know. I don't know. But it's

just wired shut for like 6 weeks now.

>> Yeah. You got to eat nothing but protein

shakes,

>> bro. O.

>> It's a I mean, look, it's a crazy world.

The thing is that I I would hope that he

recognizes is right now he's doing great

and he's only whatever he is, 28, I

think.

>> Is he 28?

>> I think he is. How old is uh Jake Paul?

>> He's young.

>> God damn. And he he's probably made 300

million plus in his boxing career. How

how old is Jake Paul?

>> He'll be 29. And

>> look at that. So he's 28 years old. 29

next month.

Don't do this very long because there

there there's a price that you pay that

is not worth it. It's not worth it. And

that price is depression, deep

depression. Uh a severe brain imbalance

that's going to lead you to addiction.

It leads so many people to impulsive

behavior. So many people become gambling

addicts, drug addicts, alcoholics after

their fighting career.

>> Yeah.

>> It's it's you could only take so much

and at a certain like that one that he

got from Joshua. Oo,

>> you know, say if you have like a punch

card, you have like so many punch that

you can get in your life, which I

believe you do. I believe there's a

certain number. That one was like 10

bunches. That was like

>> Yeah,

>> it was a lot of concussions in that one

punch.

>> Sure.

>> That was real damage. Like if someone's

breaking your jaw in two places, the

inside of your [ __ ] head is there's a

lot of damage going on in there, too.

>> [ __ ] yeah. Just don't do it for I know

too many guys that like they wanted to

be cool guys and they kept sparring like

deep into their 30s and 40s. They would

go to the gym and do hard spar, not

jiu-jitsu, boxing, boxing sparring. So

they were just standing in front of each

other slugging it out. They get bloody

noses. They'd laugh about it and think

it was cool. And then they go about

their day. And I'm like, man, that's

going to get you. Cuz at [clears throat]

a certain point in time that [ __ ]

depression is unavoidable. It just

creeps in. You just every you just oh

you don't feel good.

>> You just don't [clears throat] feel

good. Like you're just like all the time

just their whole day is like

no thanks.

>> You know that feeling when you're hung

over? That's their life.

>> That's no that's no way to live.

>> And it's it varies. Some guys don't get

that. Some guys

>> and he definitely doesn't have to do

that. So don't [clears throat]

>> anymore. If he could do anything. That

guy can do anything. If he could do what

he did in boxing, he could do anything.

Just don't do it forever. Yeah.

>> It's just one of them things where it's

like the price you pay

>> is eventually not worth it.

[clears throat]

>> Yeah.

>> Awesome that he did. I mean, awesome

that he he made he probably made $100

million Saturday night.

>> Jesus Christ, that's so much.

>> I don't know what he got paid,

[clears throat] but also it's probably

worth another hundred million in

publicity

>> easily

>> cuz people loved watching him get

knocked out. but also had to say that

guy has [ __ ] balls and he does. He

earned it. He earned it. He that guy has

every He if he doesn't have your respect

after that fight cuz a lot of people

like are you going to fight Javvante

Davis? He's only 135 lbs. He's like okay

I'll fight a guy 110 pounds bigger. So

[laughter]

>> and now you couldn't pay me you could

not pay me enough to do that.

>> Guy's got balls. He's got nothing but

respect for me.

>> Yeah.

>> Nothing but respect. Just don't don't do

it forever. There's there comes a time

where the cost is not worth it because

some people never return. That's what

you have to understand. There's there's

people that get out. Like if you listen

to Randy Couture talk now, talk's fine.

He's great. He's he was knocked out a

bunch of times. Chuck Liddell knocked

him out. Other guys,

>> they knew when to dip out.

>> Knew when to dip out. And you know,

Randy also like really didn't even begin

his UFC career until his late 30s. If

I'm correct, he was either 35 or it

might have been 34 or 35 when he had his

first UFC fight. I was there. That was

in like [ __ ] the middle of nowhere in

the South.

>> Pretty old, right? For

>> Well, he was an elite wrestler. He was

an elite Greco Roman wrestler. And then

he got into MMA late in life. Back in

the time, the days when you'd be able to

wear shoes. They used to wrestling shoes

when they fought.

>> Really?

>> Yeah.

>> Oh, wow.

>> The early days used to be able to wear

shoes. Um, but like he's he's fine.

There's a bunch of guys that are still

fine, but there's a bunch of guys that

are really struggling. Really

struggling.

>> Don't get there. Don't get there.

>> Scary.

>> Dip out before that happens. Know when

to dip out and have friends that tell

you when to dip out.

>> You got to You have a coach a coach that

doesn't say, "Well, let's give it one

more shot." Yeah.

>> Like don't that that's not You only want

to be doing that if you're trying to be

the best in the world. That's my

opinion. I mean, there's a lot of guys

who are never going to be the best in

the world. I still love competing, but

and that's great, too. And there's a lot

of guys that make a living doing it and

they make good money and, you know, and

they feed their families. And I'm not

I'm not saying don't, but if you have an

option,

I don't think you should do it unless

you're a [ __ ] complete maniac,

absolutely obsessed. You want to do it

more than you want to do anything else

in life. Because if you don't feel like

that, there's a guy out there that does.

Yeah. And that guy's gonna [ __ ] you up.

Yeah. that guy's going to come and take

your soul away from you. I always think

of Mike Tyson when he was 20.

>> Yeah.

>> I was like, if you're not that

dedicated, you shouldn't be fighting

because Mike Tyson is not one person.

There's a bunch of those guys out there.

There's Alex Pereira. There's all

there's all these guys out there in the

world that are that obsessed. You know,

there's all these Islam Makachevs and

Ilia Toporas. There's these guys out

there in the world that are just driven

to do it. And if you want to fight, if

you really want to fight, if you run

into one of those guys and you're not

doing what they're doing, you're going

to get tuned up.

>> Alex, I didn't realize how big he is.

>> Giant.

>> I did not realize that until the photo

of him next to somebody I know, like a

friend and I was like,

>> there's a lot of chatter about him

fighting in the heavyweight division

now.

>> Really,

>> there's a lot of chatter about it.

There's a lot of chatter about him

perhaps even fighting serial gone. I

don't know how much of this is true. I

haven't talked to Dana about it, but uh

it's not an illogical move. He's 240 lbs

right now. 240 plus.

>> And he's like what? 6'4 65

>> 65 64 65. And don't m make no mistake

about it. That guy can knock out heavy

weights. No doubt about it. He hits

harder than anyone they've ever recorded

ever on that [ __ ] stupid uh punch

machine. Yeah. You know that thing?

Yeah.

>> Francisano got like a 129 on it, which

is crazy. He got a 190.

>> 190.

>> 190. When you watch him hit it, you're

like, "What the fuck?" You want to see

it? You should just see it just to feel

what it would feel like to get hit in

the head by that.

>> Oh my god.

>> Like that guy is out there in the world.

[laughter]

>> You know what I'm saying? Like if you

think you're going to be a journeyman

and you're going to all of a sudden, you

know, be looking across the octagon and

that guy standing there trauma. Like

he's going to hunt you. He's going to

hunt you. And you you're not in that

space that he's in. He's in a kill or be

killed space and you're in a This is fun

to compete.

>> Yeah. It's not the same thing. Not the

same thing.

>> Watch this video cuz it's [ __ ]

bananas.

>> Holy [ __ ]

>> When he when he hits it, you just go

everybody around him goes, "Oh,

like what the fuck?" They

>> Oh my god.

>> Watch this.

>> Oh my gosh.

>> See that?

>> Yeah. One more time. One more time.

Well, you do it from the beginning. Look

at

>> that. If you don't, [laughter] that

sound is so crazy.

>> Yeah, that's your face.

>> You know what, Mark Goddard? Mark

Goddard was the referee in his fight

with Khalil Roundtree. And uh he came up

to me right after the fight like I I got

into the octagon. They were going to,

you know, announce Alex Pere winner by

knockout. Goddard walks up to me. He

goes, "The sound that guy makes." He

goes, "I've been doing this for 20

years." He goes, "The sound is ungodly."

>> Really? It's ungodly. It's different.

>> And you can see when you're hearing

doing commentary, you see the look on

the guys faces when they

>> when they get hit. They're like, "Oh,

this is real. This is different."

>> Yeah. There's some different dudes out

there.

>> There's some different dudes out there.

And that's that's a different not just

of dedication and drive and focus

because he definitely has all that, but

it's genetics. That dude is a legitimate

Amazon warrior. Yeah. like he's he comes

from a tribe in the Amazon and he goes

back to that tribe and he gets he puts

on the traditional outfits that they

wear and the ma the face paint and hangs

out with them and it's like yo

>> he would have been the [ __ ] tribal

warlord. He would have been the king

back in the day. Yeah, I mean that's his

that's his ancestry.

>> [ __ ] me.

>> Yeah, he speaks their language.

>> Oh, he does like the dialect.

>> I I think I don't want to misspe but I'm

pretty sure he understands what they're

saying because he's talking to them. Not

just Portuguese, like Brazil, but they

have

>> That whole Amazon area is so

fascinating, man.

>> Have you been to the Amazon?

>> No.

>> I went once.

>> Really?

>> Yeah.

>> What'd you do?

>> My uncle was working for an oil company

in in Peru and there's a part of Peru

called Iikitos in the north, which is

the jungle.

>> And I went with him and we went out on

the Amazon. And then we pulled up to

some place and um he's like, "We're

going to eat here, right?" It's not like

[ __ ] Terry Blacks, right? It's just

like [laughter] some [ __ ]

>> a shack

>> shack. And the [snorts] guy just kept

bringing I was like, "What am I eating?"

He was like, "I'll tell you later."

>> Piranha.

>> It was all kinds of weird [ __ ]

>> What are we eating?

>> I mean, snakes and rabbits and and you

know, like Amazonian [ __ ] that I've

never even heard of. And I would take

bites. I'm like, "What is this later?

I'll tell you later." [laughter] Okay.

They made me eat all this stuff. And I

was like, "This is [ __ ] But when

you're out there, yeah, you are kind of

wowed, you know, you're just in awe of

everything around you and like just the

fact that this is in on the planet with

us and you, you know, you can make a

trek to a place like this where there's

species of not just animals, flowers,

and trees and things that don't exist

anywhere else and it's so rich with

everything that's there. It's a it's an

all inspiring kind of thing.

>> It hasn't even been documented. There's

so many pharmaceutical drugs that come

from plants they find in the wild.

>> It's such a crazy place. You know the

craziest part about it? The density of

the Amazon rainforest is essentially

man-made.

>> Man-made.

>> Man-made. Yeah. Really?

>> Yeah. They didn't know that until fairly

recently. Those are agriculture plants

that grew out of control. Out of

control.

>> And they constantly find but they'll

find, you know, they'll find like a

species of a bird and they'll be like,

"This is the only place we've ever seen

this bird. It doesn't exist anywhere

else on the planet.

>> It all used to be populated, too. That's

what's really crazy. They do. Have you

seen that lidar stuff they do with and

they find all these ancient structures?

Yes.

>> The white man came and brought the

cooties happened.

>> And there's still like these tribes

>> that live there and literally have blow

darts.

>> Oh yeah.

>> That hunt. That's how they kill the

their their meals.

>> My friend Paul Rosalie lives there.

>> Lives there.

>> He lives in the Amazon. He's got this

organization that's working to try to

preserve the rainforest. And one of the

things they do is they find these

loggers. And these loggers generally

they're poor guys that just get forced

to do these jobs. And he pays them more

than they get paid as loggers to protect

the rainforest. So instead of cutting it

down, now you have a job where you get

paid more, but now your job is to

protect the forest.

>> So they plant more and everything.

>> Yeah, they plant more. They stop people

from I don't know if they plant,

honestly. They stop people from cutting

things down. The problem with planting,

and this is where the Amazon gets really

weird, the Amazon soil natively is is

not conducive for growing a lot of

stuff. So, there's a type of soil that's

man-made that they do not know how they

did it. They do not know when they

started doing it, but it's called

terrapra. Is that what it's called?

>> And it's a thick, dark man-made soil.

So, it's essentially compost and all

these this different process and carbon

and a bunch of things that they get into

this man-made layer that's all over the

Amazon.

>> Wow.

>> That whole area we thought it like so

there you know this Lost City of Z story

>> so the [clears throat] lost city of Z

was that movie. Did you ever see it?

>> Was it Percy Richards? What was his

name? Percy Faucet.

>> Percy Faucet. some so this guy goes down

to the Amazon a long time ago and he

comes back with this story you know

European traveler comes back with this

story of golden cities and it's amazing

and so he comes back he reports his

findings and then a hundred years later

like a new search party goes down there

to look for this place they don't find

nothing like oh that guy was full of

[ __ ] but it was he wasn't full of [ __ ]

it was all real it's just that he

brought the cooties so they brought

disease and literally wiped out millions

of people, millions of people, and the

the jungle just consumed whatever

structures were there in a hundred

years, which is like, look at Detroit.

Detroit is freezing cold. It's nowhere

near as tropical as as the Amazon. But

Detroit, houses are just trees are

growing straight through them, and it's

only been like 50 years. So, in a

hundred years in the Amazon, everything

was gone. All the people were dead. All

the structures which were wood were all

just like consumed by the rainforest.

>> Whoa.

>> Yeah. And they didn't even know this

until they started doing this LAR stuff.

And so this LAR stuff when they're

flying over with this um it's

it's a type of laser and essentially it

looks into the ground and finds

structures that right through the trees.

>> They can like scan things

>> and they're finding aqueducts and all

and roads and and like complex

irrigation systems, big giant um

symmetrical structures like this. This

is all covered by jungle. Like these

were all buildings and streets. Like

they they had millions of people living

in the Amazon. Millions.

>> This is like the same like you know the

the theory

that you know how like UAPs have become

more like there's congressional

testimonies about it and everybody's