[music]

Ryan Montgomery.

>> Sean Ryan.

>> Welcome back to the show, man.

>> Thank you, man. I'm I can't believe I am

back in a good way. [laughter]

>> What's it been like two years?

>> Three years.

>> Has it been three years?

>> Three years. Yeah.

>> Lots that's happened.

>> Yeah. I'm pretty You got me. You got me

thinking. Is it two years? I think it's

three. It's three.

>> Is it really?

>> Yeah.

[sighs]

Lots has happened since you came on

here, man.

>> A lot for both of us, it seems.

>> Oh, yeah.

>> Yeah. Look at this studio, man. It's

unbelievable.

>> I've been dying to show you.

>> I couldn't wait to see it. And uh and

and I mean, for the people that can't

see the whole thing in real life, it's a

video is not going to capture how

awesome this is. It doesn't matter what

kind of camera you use or how you 360

angle. It doesn't matter what you use.

It's I've seen the last studio which was

awesome within itself. And then this

one, it's like two or three times as big

just the studio area alone. I can't talk

about the rest of the property, but the

rest of the property is sick. Uh like

beyond belief sick and super happy for

you and not in a demeaning way, but

proud of you and uh I'm very grateful to

be back.

>> Well, thank you, man. You were a huge

part of this. You know that, you know,

been um and uh dude, [clears throat] I'm

[ __ ] proud of you, too, man. Thanks.

>> Like, you know, just just

[clears throat] to recap for for anybody

that's listening who doesn't know who

you are, you know, I just kind of want

to go over how we connected, you know,

the very first time and

where you were at in life and, you know,

kind of where I was at. But, but, um,

yeah. So, backstory is I pull up

Instagram one day. I see this very

small, very small MMA podcast.

>> 500 followers.

>> 500 followers. I don't know how this

reel popped up on my algorithm. I don't

even look at reels very often. And um

[clears throat]

there you are. And if I remember

correctly, I may I may mess this up a

little bit, but the the clip that I saw,

and I want to roll the clip uh right

now,

>> there's a father that posted a photo of

their child in the bathtub where you

couldn't see everything, but you could

see enough. And it said on the top of

it, uh, they have no idea what's going

to happen to them tonight. And then

underneath there was comments with other

people saying what they were going to do

to this person's child.

>> Oh my god.

>> And at this point, remember, I'm I have

access to their server and they don't

know it. So, after I spoke to my

attorney who told me, "Hey, you you did

break federal law. you know, like if you

report this, you're risking going to

prison. But I was just thinking to

myself, if I bring this to trial, what

jury's going to convict me? I mean, I

just don't think guilty or not. I I'm

willing to take my chances. Um, so I I

reached out to my attorney, reached out

to another attorney in Virginia since he

was run, you know, a guy trying to run

for Congress. Spoke to over 10 news

stations. I have some of the calls

recorded with them. Everybody was

interested in this story. They thought

it was amazing. As soon as it got to

legal, they not not one of them posted

this story. Even when I said, "Remove my

name from it. Remove any of the info I

obtained illegally from it. alert people

that this website exists on the

internet. Nobody posted it. So, I got an

FBI uh report tip line number. I think

it was a website ic3.gov. It's internet

complaint center report number. So, I

got that. Um the kicker, which is what

got me started in this after all of

that, is 6 months later I'm I'm watching

the news or I'm reading the news online.

I see Nathaniel Larson arrested at an

airport at a layover with a 12-year-old

girl that he kidnapped. And they were

fully aware of what he was doing. and

they're fully aware of the 3,000 other

people that I caught on the website with

their IP addresses, their emails, their

chat history, everything about them. A

case, you know, on a golden platter for

for any any any district attorney

>> and nothing happened. They didn't even

bring up his websites in the news

articles. The clip that I saw was

basically you

talking about this guy that owned this

pedophile website

standing over the bathtub taking a

selfie video with a 12-year-old girl in

that bathtub. Right.

>> It's close. It's close. So, uh, what

happened was, uh, just the the long

story short version is it was a, like

you said, a very small MMA podcast that

I went on and, uh, and they asked me a

question. And they said, "How did you

get involved?" It was actually about the

organization I was with at the time. Um,

but I just came as the technical support

basically. And they said, "How did you

get involved?" You know, I was always

standing behind the camera. Didn't have

my name associated to anything. Um, and

I uh I had this information about this

horrible website that was being ran by a

politician in Virginia. And um there,

you know, the like I I explained that I

got a text message from my friend's wife

that had a couple screenshots, one of

which was a father that had his his

child in the bathtub. And uh and the

title of the post, like you could see

the child's back, so you could tell that

they were nude. Um and the title of the

post on this website was um they have no

idea what's going to happen to them

tonight.

>> And um underneath of it, people were

talking about what they were going to do

to that person's child. So that was what

the clip was. is if you know if they

play the clip they'll you know they'll

see what I was saying. The problem was I

infiltrated this this network. I dumped

their database. I had all their

information. I had a case on a golden

platter. Like literally I think that's

what I said in the clip. Um and nobody

nobody was taking me seriously. And uh

it took years of me trying. I went to

all media sources, you know, 11 11 plus

media sources. I went to law

enforcement, went to two different

attorneys. I went uh to a a task force

locally. I I tried everything and um and

then I end up, you know, just talking

about that in that short clip, maybe a

minute long, and the like the next day I

wake up and there's like 10 million

views on this clip and I'm like, what

the heck? You know, like I have all

these journalist groups reaching out to

me, all these media wanting to ask

questions, all these different, you

know, v v sorry um all of these various

podcasters reaching out to me. And I see

in my comments, check your DMs. Check

your DMs from a guy named Shawn Ryan.

And uh I'm like [laughter]

and I check my DMs and I see Shawn's in

there and I'm like, wow, this guy's got

a big channel and he wants to, you know,

he wants to to talk about this. So, we

started a conversation and um you know,

I uh I I wanted to get the story out

there no matter what way it went out. I

didn't care if it went out from a

leftwing, right wing, in between wing,

it didn't matter. I just wanted the

story out there. And um you know, I

didn't know anything about politics.

Still really don't. But, uh I was I I

just was very very blown away by a small

account blowing up the way that it blew

up. So, I I reach out. I'm sorry. I

start speaking with you, we arrange a

podcast which if you remember project

Veraritoss was involved in

>> Oh, I remember.

>> So this is I want to get into what

happened with that. Um so you so

actually this is the way I really want

to put it is nobody had the balls to

talk about this story because and I

proved that with the media. I showed

them what needed to be out there. There

was it was black and white how bad this

website was. And I had evidence that you

could not refute of all of the people

involved and they just ignored me. And

you saw that one minute clip and said,

"You know what? I'm going to risk my

whole channel. I'm going to risk

everything just because I want to get

this this kid that I don't even know,

meaning me. I want to get this kid's

message out there." And you have no idea

how much I appreciate that. And how many

kids that's actually helped not just

from me, from you, man. like without

without you, without obviously all the

things that led up to you, none of that

would have happened, you know, and and I

am beyond grateful for that. And it's

opened up uh so many doors, which I'll

obviously get into in this this episode,

but beyond blessed, super grateful for

it. And you know, one thing that's

frustrating is, and there there's a I

have a good and bad thing to say about

Project Veraritas and why I wanted to

tie them into this story is Project

Veritass is the first journalist group

to reach out to me that I was willing to

because they said, "I, you know, we'll

come with, you know, we'll fly

overnight. We'll be there the next day."

So, they were in New York. I was in

Florida and they said, you know, we'll

come out and check out the database and

we will investigate it. So, of course, I

was like, "Yeah, come out. Let's do it."

you know, I I'm Anybody wants to run the

story, let's go. Um, this is right about

the time James O'Keeffe left or was

fired, whatever happened there. That

that didn't doesn't matter to me to be

honest with you. Uh, they fly out to

Florida. I hand them the data and all of

their their journalists, all their

reporters, the ones that I worked with

directly were passionate and wanted to

work on this project and they spent days

slash weeks slash months of their life

on this project. Um, so I can't say a

single negative thing about the team

that I worked with there. They were all

great and they cared a ton about this

case.

>> What happened is James' replacement, her

name is Hannah Giles, she came in as the

interim CEO, uh, while they were trying

to figure out what was going on. And at

that point, if you remember, there were

7,000 people in that database from the

original database. and project veritas

the goal was to go out to confront these

people face to face with hidden cameras

and ask them about their their

participation on the website. So like

that meaning like not just you were on

the site but here's the the forum post

that you made, here's the private

messages that you had with other users

like expose these people. So they

exposed a couple of them. They put it

out publicly and uh we identified 500 of

the 7,000 with without a shadow of a

doubt 500 of the 7,000 were identified

at the time when Hannah Giles became the

interim CEO. They wanted her I'm

assuming Hannah wanted the the New York

Post or New York Times to release a

story on it and that was their main

focus which at that time I remember you

know we were talking about it when

you're talking about circulation it's

like social media has a way bigger

circulation than them.

>> Then Hannah says to me uh I'm on the

phone with her and she tells me that my

story is not a title wave. That's the

words verbatim that this woman used and

she shut it down. So,

>> well boy, she [ __ ] that one up, didn't

she?

>> She really did. And you know, not only

because of how big this story got and

how many kids, how many how how much

impact that database made on, you know,

some of the some of the predator

networks following it as well, but um

you know, the sad part of this is I with

project veritas, 500 of the 7,000

identified, 13 of which of the 500 were

convicted of sex crimes with children

after I originally reported the

information to, you know, National

Center for Mission Exploiting Children.

the tip lines, the task force, all the

media. So, and you know, just

ironically, the average offender has 13

victims in a lifetime, but 13 different

cases

occurred after I reported it. And then

she shuts it down. So, that's 500 of the

7,000. Who knows how many didn't get

caught and who knows how many more, you

know, how many how many victims just,

you know, were it could have been that

could have been preventive. Someone

would have just taken me seriously. And

you did, man. you did project veritas.

As much as they, you know, may get some

hate or whatever, I I don't have any

opinion on anything else they've ever

done other than what they've done with

me and their journalists were good to

me. Their interim CEO, I don't like the

way that she treated this situation. Um,

and I have no problem saying that. And

uh, yeah, man. I just wanted to I guess

a long way of saying thank you so much

and and I appreciate the balls that you

have because nobody else did.

>> Well, it's my honor, man. But, you know,

I I forgot about the Veraritoss stuff

cuz we had to coordinate release of the

episode with them. Yeah.

>> I forgot about that. And they Yeah, they

there was some other publication that

they're like, "We got to wait and see if

this goes." And I remember I remember

having a conversation with you and I was

like,

>> "Dude, what we have here is 10 times any

of the publications that they're talking

about and this is going to [ __ ]

send." And um and it did. It wound up

being

the most viewed, most downloaded,

biggest episode I've ever done still to

this date. And um [clears throat] and

you know, I I remember reaching out to

you. I remember the FBI stuff. The FBI

wouldn't take you seriously. I was so

upset, you know, and and also this is

like you were the first person that I

dove into this subject with cuz I had

heard so much about it. But I don't

trust nonprofits, but we me and you talk

a lot about that offline. I don't I just

don't trust them anymore. I've seen too

many that started off with good

intentions that go, you know, array and

it becomes all about [ __ ] raising

money and not about whatever the the

actual mission

was. And and he didn't have any of that,

you know, and I could tell like on that

post I was like, "This guy's just trying

to get information out." And um so so

yeah, reached out, tried to coordinate

everything with Veraritoss. They wanted

to do the story. And I remember telling

you something along the lines like,

"Fuck these people, dude. Let's just run

it."

>> Yeah. Well, you you you [clears throat]

actually had people that you had in line

to put their episodes out before mine,

and you rushed my episode for them.

Yeah.

>> Like you did them a huge favor.

>> Yeah.

>> And then they just screw they screwed it

up. Like they they could have done a lot

more good. It like I said, they're

journalists. If it was up to them, it

would have been it would have happened.

>> I don't think it could have gone any

better than it did to be honest with

you. what everything that happened I

think happened because what we did you

know like you enlightened me for

starters because I've gone on to do

several episodes I was after you about

it I interviewed Jim Cavisel we went to

the premiere of Sound of Freedom

>> together um interviewed Tim Tibo

interviewed Jiren Hudson interviewed

Victor Marx like you were the start of

all of that and I I still continue to

talk about it you know to this day but

you know I think what we did Manis, we

just created like

the perfect storm. And um and and yeah,

and also like Yeah, that was a huge I

mean, I don't think you wanted to be

public. You were extremely [ __ ]

nervous to come on the show.

>> 100%.

>> And I remember trying I remember going

through my head like, how do I calm this

guy down? And um but [clears throat]

how whatever it worked and and yeah, it

was a big it was jeopardizing my entire

business cuz this is this is the

forbidden fruit that you cannot talk

about on certain platforms.

>> I remember thinking, you know what, [ __ ]

it. We're not monetizing this. I want to

fly under the radar. I don't give a

[ __ ] If this if they shut everything

down, it ended on a it ended trying to

pump some good into the world. And I'm

like 100% fine with that. And that takes

balls. Like for the third time, it takes

balls. And I appreciate that. And and to

be honest with you, and I know I gave

you a warning beforehand, but you know,

this one is just as deep and dear to my

heart. And uh and I have some stuff that

I really, really need parents to know.

Um and it's going to be rough. And I I

think that you know, you guys, whoever's

watching this, uh you're going to hear a

lot of beeping.

>> It's important that you listen to what I

what I have to tell you today. But, you

know, I I wanted to say, man, like, you

know, we've talked about it a lot

offline and and especially at the very

beginning after the episode when you

were trying to figure out where you want

to go and and uh because I think this

was a segue into you having a much

bigger role in in the fight against

exploitation and trafficking.

>> But what we did, man, is, you know,

I jeopardized everything. You did, too.

And but what wound up happening was

we educated millions and millions of

parents. We educated millions and

millions and millions of kids on how

this happens. Prove to them how fast it

happens. You know, I I'll Dude, I will

never forget when you made the screen

name Ashley 13 cuz I I was like how this

isn't like there's no way this [ __ ]

happens this much. So, I wanted to time

you to see how I figured we'd be there

all [ __ ] day.

>> Yeah. Unfortunately,

>> it was like five seconds. And um

[clears throat] and that just proved to,

like I said, millions and millions and

millions of parents and kids like this

is how this is how common this is. This

is how fast it can happen. And then on

the other hand, we scared a metric [ __ ]

ton

>> of predators.

>> Of predators. Oh yeah. And uh and so

>> it really was the perfect storm. But you

know, but [clears throat] you know, some

other context, I mean, now I'm like

going back and forth. Now I'm like

remembering all the things that happened

like right after the episode. And I

mean, we blasted the FBI on that

episode.

>> Yeah, we definitely

>> We didn't bl actually we didn't blast

them. We just expressed

what happened when you got the

information to the FBI and how they

totally [ __ ] dismissed it and how

interested they were after the episode

came out. Remember that? Remember how

much they wanted to help? I know you

guys are like maybe talking right now.

Maybe. I don't know.

>> Yeah. I mean, we everything I do now is

in parallel with law enforcement. So

>> cool.

>> Yeah. I'll get into more of what that

means. But yeah, I remember being

extremely fearful. I was like, "These

people aren't trying to help you. They

didn't help you the first time. There's

7,000 names on that list and that was

developed that website was developed by

a politician. They're trying to Every

[ __ ] on there is calling in

favors trying to get their name redacted

from

>> I remember. Do you remember I I was so I

was so scared of because you know I took

the as you said it was a risk for me. I

was scared my door was going to get

kicked in. and they're like, "I don't

have anything to to worry about, but I

don't want to lose all my electronics or

end up getting charged with something

that I go to trial for and all this

stuff." And I'm calling you. Um I'm

calling you at like 11 12:00 at night.

You got uh Tim Parlor helping me out.

You got all these people, you know,

telling me like, "Yo, do this, do do

that, like make sure you don't do this,

don't do that." Like I'm I got you you

helped me an absolute ton um back, you

know, cuz I was panicking, man. And I

was panicking because I I wanted the

information out there, but I didn't know

what to expect because technically what

I did at that time was uh was not legal.

My intentions were obviously good. I uh

I would say it's more gray than black

hat, but it was you know it I obtained

that information illegally. So I was

scared. I was genuinely scared and I it

was very new territory to me. I know now

a lot more than I did. And as I said in

the beginning, if I had to go to trial

for this and I had to stand in front of

12 jury jurors or jury, uh like I have a

hard time believing that people would

say that I'm a criminal for taking down

a predator organization, but uh I uh I

genuinely uh I genuinely was scared at

that time.

>> Well, it wound up being a wildly

successful piece of content. I mean,

with all the clips and the reels and the

episode and the downloads, I mean, it's

it's it's literally hundreds of millions

of views and then and [clears throat]

then your life just exploded into ways

that I think you never imagined it would

go into, but

>> Oh my gosh. I mean, I remember seeing

you on all the big podcasts and I was

just, dude,

through all this [ __ ] and all the fame

that you've amassed since we met, dude,

I just want to say, man, I am so [ __ ]

proud of you. Like, you have handled the

fame and the notoriety

like nobody I've ever seen, man. Like,

you have stayed true to yourself. You

are not You did not turn into a pompous

[ __ ] You are the same man that I met

when nobody knew who the hell you were

three years ago when we did that

interview. And

>> means the world to me, man. It really

does.

>> I I just want to like say like, you

know, to to

>> I want the world to know, you know, your

character like

that didn't turn into a massive amount

of money for you. I don't think um

you're not here to make money. Like when

people ask me about you or I'm talking

about you and I talk about you a lot,

you know, I one of the things I always

say is like that guy does not give a

[ __ ] about anything but saving kids. He

doesn't give a [ __ ] if you approach him

with with business ideas. Like if that's

if that's your focus, he's not going to

want to do it. Like all that dude wants

to do is save [ __ ] kids. He doesn't

give a [ __ ] about the fame. He doesn't

give a [ __ ] about his following. He

doesn't care about anything but saving

those kids and [clears throat] you know

and and there's just not very many

people like you, man.

>> Likewise. Likewise. There's not many

people I consider friends, especially in

this space, you know, making YouTube

videos and and content and podcast. I

mean, you you're the only one that I

would consider a friend, like a real

one, a real friend. Um, and people don't

know us off off camera, but you know,

it's there's not many people that I can

ride around with on an ATV and and have

the conversations we had yesterday.

Like, you know, it it's that's that's

what I look forward to in life, you

know? You only get a couple good friends

and um and I and I'm grateful and glad

that you're one of them.

>> Yep. Likewise, man. I love you, dude.

>> Love you, too, man.

>> You're a great human. But um

>> well, let me give you an introduction

here real quick, then uh we'll get into

the interview. Ryan Montgomery,

[clears throat] a powerhouse in cyber

security in the fight against child

exploitation. A top ethical hacker and

penetration tester with over 19 years of

experience. Ranked number one on Try

Hackme's capture the flag leaderboard.

The founder of Pentester, a Boca

Ratonbased platform offering online

privacy solutions for people and

businesses. is CTO of the Sentinel

Foundation. You use cuttingedge

technology and law enforcement

collaborations to combat global child

exploitation in human trafficking. Known

for infiltrating dark websites

to expose predators, you've demonstrated

live hacks right here on my show, which

we just talked about. You specialize in

e ethical hacking, data protection, and

online safety, advocating for stronger

cyber security, and protecting

vulnerable populations.

And one of my favorite people in the

world, Ryan Montgomery. So, I

[clears throat] know we are here to

we are here to talk about some of the

child childhood stuff that we missed the

last time. [panting] a lot of the stuff

that you've been doing now and you know

but I think that the the the premise of

this interview which will come towards

the middle and the end is the the

domestic terrorist group the 764 group

correct

>> that's correct

>> and all of the horrific stuff that

they're doing. So, like I said, you

know, this is this is going to be very

similar to the interview that we did

before, you know, and uh this is this is

to educate our purpose here is to

educate parents and kids and to scare

the [ __ ] out of pedophiles and to expose

how how these things are happening and

and just just educate because the you

know, we've talked about this offline,

too. And I think that I think that the

collaboration that me and you did online

has saved more kids

than any other.

Dude, it's hundreds of millions of

people that watch that. Like so many

parents and so many kids. Like it it

made it real. I mean, you demonstrated

it right here live. And I can

unfortunately do it again on any

platform,

>> you know, and

>> literally any platform.

>> And so, you know, that's like it's it's

[clears throat]

my proudest interview, man. Because not

because of the numbers and not because

of like the explosiveness of the

interview.

It's because

there are

who knows countless kids out there whose

parents watch that, who they watch that,

that will never have to [ __ ] face the

trauma that they would have faced if if

if

their parents and themselves didn't

implement the things to protect them.

And uh you know, I know it didn't get to

everybody, but man, like we saved a lot

of [ __ ] kids there, man.

>> I love to hear that. And and I I'd love

to believe that as well. And and to be

honest, walk like I've been all over the

world, all over the country in the last

3 years and running into strangers on

the street, at the airport, at the mall,

all these places, people stopping me

now, which you know is very new to me.

But uh some of them are are parents and

and they tell me like, "Hey, I stopped

posting my kid on the internet for this

reason or that reason or I uh or you

know, I was a victim of this or I have a

situation." You know, I I hear this from

not only from people sending me direct

messages, emails, literally letters in

the mail. Uh there's so many ways of

people contacting me now, but like

something about somebody coming up to me

in real life and telling me the impact

that it's made. Um it's like what are

the odds of just a stranger that's just

that runs into me that made an impact?

If it happened with that person, it must

have happened with a lot more than I'm

aware of, you know, and uh and that

makes me very proud. makes me happy and

it makes me motivated to keep doing this

because as you said, I'm not looking for

a pat on the back. I'm not looking for

money. I I if you blurred my face and

you changed my voice for this episode,

it wouldn't change anything. It's it's

really about getting the word out there

and making thing making some some sort

of change because nobody else seems to

be doing it. Nobody else seems to uh I

don't know. I mean, there's people that

have passion. I don't want to discount

them because there are good people in

this space, but uh coming on to a show

and talking about this stuff in some of

the detail that I want to um I don't

really see other people doing and I

don't see somebody else having the, you

know, the nerve to do it with them.

>> So, it's I just think it's a very unique

opportunity that we showed worked the

first time and it uh it's for the

millionth time a blessing.

>> Well, let's hope it works again. But um

you know Ryan, one of the other things

that I loved about you is we both kind

of started our journey to Christianity

together around the same time. I

wouldn't say together, but with

timelines really match up.

>> And uh I know you've grown a lot in your

spiritual uh journey and and so have I.

And so I think we should kick this off

with a prayer. What do you think?

>> Sure.

>> You ready?

>> Yeah.

>> All right. [clears throat]

Jesus, I just want to say thank you for

my friendship with Ryan and and for

bringing us together those years ago and

and um I'm just so proud of him and

thankful for our relationship and and

Jesus, I just ask you to be in this room

with us today and to guide Ryan and

myself the way that you want us to

expose this 764 satanic cult, what

they're doing to kids. And we just ask

that you distribute the information that

we're going to reveal today to all the

kids and all the parents, especially the

vulnerable ones who who who who

may have an unfortunate future that

they're facing. And uh we just hope to

to derail them from that traumatic

future and and into more beautiful

things. And and we just hope that

[clears throat]

that the people that watch this, if they

were if their future was heading towards

that, we just want it to head towards

the light and and and for them to take

this information seriously and put in

the the the repercussions that they need

so that they don't become a victim in

Jesus' name. Amen.

>> Amen.

>> So,

cheers.

>> Cheers.

>> All right, but let's uh let's start with

some fun stuff. So, you know, one of the

fun things we did last time is you had

all these gadgets

>> and you blew my [ __ ] mind. So, I see

all new stuff over here. What do we got?

>> So, we got a lot of new things. Um, I

don't know if it's going to be exactly

the way that we did the first time

because I I did show you some, you know,

a lot, you know, got blanketed a lot of

topics and [laughter] and I pissed off a

lot of people in cyber security in that

process.

>> Oh, yeah.

>> Yeah. because, you know, trying to

explain some of these attacks and cyber

security methods to to people that

aren't cyber security professionals is

tough. I mean, try to explain um a

captive portal to your grandmom. It's a

it's just you have to you have to like

and I'm not saying you're an old

>> Are you calling me a [ __ ] [laughter]

>> Are you calling me a geriatric?

>> No.

>> It's all right. I'm pretty close.

>> What I'm saying is most people are not

tech literate. Most like it doesn't

matter if they're older or younger. So,

people got really aggravated with the

way that I explained it. They got really

aggravated with the number one ethical

hacker thing. I never said that I was

the number one hacker in the world.

There's no way to rank that, you know,

and and honestly, I would love if you

titled this video number one ethical

hacker, but just to piss them off

because

>> Hey, we can do that. I'm glad you

finally reached that point.

>> I really I am done. I'm done caring. I

I've I've tried posting on all my

platforms. I've talked on other podcasts

about it. I've made it very clear. I

know I'm not the best hacker. I never

said I was, but at this point, I just

like aggravating them. So,

>> if I've learned anything from doing

podcasts, there's one thing. You cannot

make the internet happy no matter what

the [ __ ] you do. So,

>> not a chance. I don't

>> It's more fun to piss them off. Anyways,

>> yeah, I'm learning that. I'm learning

that. And I I call them the neck beards

and the act chilies and nice,

>> you know. So, I'm sure they'll have some

stuff to say about some of this stuff,

but that's fine. Um, so there's a couple

things here. one of which we we're going

to need, you know, uh the thing, you

know, to to screw it into. I don't want

to ruin what it is yet. Um

>> is this Are you carrying all this stuff

all the time now? Like the last

>> Yeah, it's always in my

>> Right on. So, this is the latest and

greatest EDC.

>> Yeah.

>> Are you still carrying the flipper?

>> The flipper that that is in my pocket,

so at all times always have the flipper.

And the reason honestly is is that I'll

I'll show a cool attack um which it'll

probably end up being some type of

B-roll or something in here because we

have to do it in a non-disclosed

location or just whatever. But uh I have

some custom firmware on here now that it

can, you know, break into a ton of

different cars. Um and it's on a rolling

code system, meaning like every time you

hit the the button on your on your key

fob, the code changes and the car only

accepts the new code. And uh and this

has custom firmware that gets in sync

with that rolling code. Let's so let's

say you click the lock button. Now I

have the lock, unlock, trunk, all of

your all of the buttons on your key fob

just from one press. And uh and that was

one thing they they lost their minds

over saying that that that attack's been

around 20 years. It's not rolling code.

It's not this. But it is it is rolling

code. It is it is a new attack. So and

I'll demonstrate it on the show, you

know, once we get outside or whatever

point that is. But um the flipper and

then this was actually given to me. Um

this is called a it's a dual ESP uh by

by a company called Awok Dynamics. I

believe they're um so Awok uh a guy I

was at this hacker conference called

Defcon which is the biggest hacker

meetup in the world I believe. Um and a

friend of mine another YouTuber talking

Sasquatch uh just comes up to me and

hands this to me. And it was obvious

because I know what these pins mean that

they they fit in the um they fit in the

flipper. So you plug this into the top

of the flipper. They're called GPIO.

>> Oh [ __ ]

>> And it makes this thing look ridiculous,

but

>> flipper on steroids. Here we go.

>> The flipper doesn't have Wi-Fi

capability by default. So it uh this

this gives it two different Wi-Fi chips

that do Bluetooth. They do other things

as well, but you'll see that the flipper

when I turn this thing on, I give it 5

volts. You'll see the power of it goes

on

and then I have a touch screen here now

where I can do Wi-Fi attacks. Um there's

so there's sniffers, scanners, uh war

driving, attacks, general, so beacon

spamming, rick rolls, evil portals,

deauth meaning like disconnecting, uh

devices from the network, uh deauth

targeted meaning target a specific

device. Um and the cool thing about this

is it can run

>> What do you mean target a specific

device? So, let's say I let's say you

had a wireless camera outside and I see

that that address like that's coming up

as a device on the on the screen here. I

could target just that device.

>> How do you know what the device is? I

mean, there's got to be there's probably

a hundred wireless devices at the studio

at all times. How do you narrow it down

and go, that's that [ __ ] camera right

over there other than the right corner?

>> So, it depends. If it's broadcasting

like BLE for example or or a MAC

address, there's a thing called like an

OUI database that you could identify it

from the from the digits there which I'm

just trying to simplify things, but like

there there's ways you could do that or

you could just do a deauth flood which

then just hits everything it possibly

can and then you could take a safe bet

that if it's on, you know, the frequency

that this is deoffing on, it's going to

knock it offline.

>> Gotcha. Um, but what's cool about this

is a lot of things cuz I just like

without going into the nitty-gritty of

it, the the Wi-Fi capabilities. It also

has Bluetooth capabilities and Bluetooth

attacks. Um, and uh, one of them's

called Sour Apple and and I'll get more

into that later. You could spoof an Air

Tag with this thing like to make it

people all you could do.

>> What do you mean? What do you mean spoof

an Air Tag? What does that even mean?

So,

it's it'll it'll make your phone believe

that there's an Air Tag there. So, like

it you know you know how your phone will

say you're being tracked by an Air Tag,

but like these antennas versus an an Air

Tags antennas are way more significant.

>> Um I'll show you more once I get over to

the this other tool what about you know

Bluetooth attacks. But um some really

cool stuff there. But but the reason why

this is called a dual ESP which means

there's two boards in it. Uh, you can

use the flippers on the like custom.

There's a custom app in here that like

let's say I wanted to do one attack

that's taking your cameras offline and I

want to do another attack that's

stealing your passwords. I can use two

different networks completely doing two

different attacks because this has two

boards in it and the flipper knows to

use one or the other. So,

>> how are you going to steal the

passwords?

>> I'll show you. I'll show you cuz I have

something else for that.

It's It's unbelievable. But this was a

cool gift and I wanted to show it off

cuz it just it looks cool, you know. Um,

and then uh this right here, you I think

you're really going to like this. So, a

company also Kickstarter related.

>> I'm not going to like it, Brian. I don't

like any of this stuff.

>> You might not like this. You [laughter]

might not.

All right. So, this is called the BL

Shark Nano. And the company, they I

think they're for sale now, but they uh

they sent them out to me because I asked

like it was like cuz I really wanted

one. It looked cool. And um and the guy

was nice enough. I think his name was

George. He sent it out to me and I was

like, you know, who knows, you know,

like what what I'm going to do with it.

I just want to play around with it. I

record a video at that that conference

and it's got like 20 million views, like

me just showing this thing off and uh

and I was not expecting that at all. Um,

so I'll show you there's it the what I

mean by stealing the passwords. Um,

I think that this should do it. Okay. So

now check go to your phone. Just go to

settings. Go to Wi-Fi. And you should

see a free Wi-Fi there. I just named it

free Wi-Fi.

>> All right. And my phone's over here.

Hold on.

Oh [ __ ] There we go.

>> Don't worry. Won't hurt anything.

>> Yep. Free Wi-Fi. Got it.

>> So, what happens when you click free

Wi-Fi?

>> I should

[laughter]

I should click it. All right. Here we

go. Sign into your Google account.

>> Okay. So, just put in like

sean@gmail.com

and then just put in whatever password

you want.

I got it. So, should I walk over to you

because it's small?

>> Yeah.

>> All right. So, we got

sean@gmail.com

password hack this.

>> No [ __ ]

>> Yeah. So, what what if for the for the

people I don't know if they could hear

me. For the people that couldn't see

this little device, um Sean just got a

network that said free Wi-Fi. It could

have been airport Wi-Fi, that could have

been hotel Wi-Fi, that could have been

Starbucks Wi-Fi, could have been

whatever, whatever I wanted to name that

network. Um and uh and what happened was

he got what's called a captive portal,

which a lot of people would be familiar

with. They might not recognize the term,

but what you know, you click connect to

a free network in public and the screen

pops up that says like, I agree to the

terms and conditions. Or if you're in a

hotel room, it might say uh you're in

room 1308 and your last name is this.

And then when you press submit, it tells

the hotel, yeah, this is a guest. Give

them access to our network. That's a

captive portal. Um what in this case, it

created a fake Google captive portal

that had that looked like the real

Google login. I mean, I don't think

there's any way you could have told like

that differentiated that from a real

Google login because what you're taught

in fishing attacks is to look at the

URL. If the URL doesn't say google.com,

then it's not real, right? Well, in

captive portals, the URL just says

captive.apple.com

as the default. So, you there's no way

to tell that's not real. Like, you're

not you just you should never put your

credentials in is is basically what I'm

saying into any captive portal. And

another thing to think about regarding

hotel Wi-Fi or anything related, let's

say you're at a hotel or you're on an

airplane and you're trying to get

internet and you have to put your credit

card in to get it. Like maybe the hotel

charges more for faster internet. I've

seen that like like to support streaming

or whatever. Um, I could make a fake

network that says and stand outside of a

hotel or leave a device outside of a

hotel or be on an airplane and require a

credit card with a name, with an

address, with all this info for them to

upgrade their connection or upgrade

whatever it may be and be stealing

credit card numbers as well as their

passwords. Um, and there'd be no way for

them to know that I was doing it because

the second that they submit it and it's

over with, now they're connected to the

internet if I route it to the internet.

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I mean, how many people are doing this?

Is this I mean, I feel like this could

be happening at every single hotel.

>> I mean, you would be I think it would be

naive to think it's not happening all

over the place. I mean, there's there's

a lot more cyber security people out

there now than there were when I was a

kid. Like, I don't know that I can't

there's no way to tell you how many

black hats exist, how many people get

arrested for hacking charges. I mean, I

I don't have those numbers, but uh it's

>> was this like pretty common though.

>> I mean, these attacks are are are

the attacks are trivial because they're

like your average person, it would take

some time to understand these topics to

to know how to recreate that attack. You

could buy a device that just does it.

>> But um

>> you know I I don't know. I can't tell

you how how prevalent these are, but

>> it it like I could give you that device

and you could do that

>> with two clicks.

>> Well, I mean the the reason I'm asking

is I mean you travel a lot. I travel a

lot. You know, we're all we spend a lot

of time in hotels and airports, [ __ ]

like that. I'm always connected to the,

you know, to the airplane Wi-Fi even

though the [ __ ] never works. Yeah.

>> I love paying 10 bucks and then you

don't get any [ __ ] internet.

>> Yeah. But you put your credit card in

there.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> And how do you know it's really

>> So that's what I'm getting at. You know,

if you go to if you go to whatever the

Holiday Inn Express and you want to get

internet and there's Holiday in guest,

Holiday in Express guest, you don't know

which one's the legitimate one. They

make them look identical. So

>> yeah, there's no way for you to know the

difference. So,

>> how can people like how can people guard

against something like that?

>> There's not a not a great way to do it

unless you like you know unless you know

a little bit about you know computers

cuz like what I would do in that case is

I would I would try to like in a captive

portal on a phone you can't like view

the source of the page like look at the

code of the front end client side of the

page. I would look at that to see if

there's anything odd there that's not

connecting to to like cuz that like this

isn't connected to the internet right

now. So for you to see that Google page,

it had to load the Google logo from that

device. It had to load all of the like

the text on the page from that device.

Whereas if it was actually pulling data

from Google, you would see all of the

Google links inside the it's called the

source code. Um,

so that like if you're on a laptop, you

like in a perfect world, you could

rightclick, you could hit view source

and see if if the in the code if it

actually is going to the name of the

hotel.com or google.com and if that's

true, it still doesn't guarantee that

it's real, but it gives you a better

chance.

>> Gotcha.

>> Um, and then inside of these captive

portals, there's uh you like sometimes

it doesn't just say captive.apple.com,

apple.com, you'll see like an actual

name at the top. But, you know, anything

can be modified, man. And I just say the

the general way to put this is just

don't trust public Wi-Fi.

>> Mhm.

>> So, I I wish I could give you a solid

answer. I don't think anybody would be

able to give you a better answer than

that cuz it's it's kind of an up in the

air. Public Wi-Fi just there's way more

vulnerabilities than just that.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> Um,

>> well, I got I got you a gift, Ryan.

>> Oh, yeah. And so I was going to wait,

but this seems like the perfect time to

give it to you. So one, well, I'll give

you the other gift later. So here you

go. Since we're talking about public

Wi-Fi.

[clears throat]

>> So while you're opening that, let me

tell you a story.

>> All right.

>> So actually, it probably started with

you. I started getting, you know, with

the FBI stuff. I started getting very

paranoid about who's listening in on my

conversations and all that kind of

stuff. And then we we went to Taiwan, we

went to Dubai, we started doing all

these overseas interviews. I know China,

you know, is looking for back doors into

our stuff. So anyways, I got super

paranoid and I started looking for a

real black phone. And so what I found

was this company, Glacier.

>> Mhm.

>> And u they make a black phone. They do a

hardened iPhone. They can do any phone.

any phone you have, you can hand it to

them and they will turn it into a

hardened device where it stops data from

getting sucked out of you. There's an

Overwatch. You get endless amount of

burner numbers. You get all American

VPNs. You get there's like a kidnapping

type feature uh that tracks you more

than than regular iOS. Um but anyways,

uh lots of features on that. But another

thing they do, where did that device go?

>> I put it right here.

>> Yeah. So, you know, put it back up.

>> Yeah. hold that up. So

anyways, I called them up. We're going

to partner with them and uh those phones

are like 8,500 bucks.

>> Really?

>> Yeah. But I wanted

>> So I wanted something I was like, "Look,

this is becoming more and more of a

thing. You see China buying a a lot of

the VPN companies. You see Israel buying

a lot of VPN companies. Um and so what

that thing is is so we're doing this app

and the app is going to be like a more

consumerfriendly version of the phone.

The phone is really for Intel people uh

major corporations for their seuite

stuff like that. Has a secure messenger

service. But anyways uh so we're we are

doing a consumer product of that

>> that's that's more consumer friendly.

It's going to be an app and we're going

to call it Glacier app. Um there there's

a link for anybody that's interested

with the late list down there. And we're

also developing products. So that is a

secure internet device from Glacier.

Works in 130 different countries.

>> Basically, you just turn it on. It puts

you on the secure server. Like I said,

in over 130 countries. They set it up to

where um all your devices will just

automatically link to it. Then you're

not using public hotel Wi-Fi. You're not

using airport Wi-Fi. You're not using

anybody's Wi-Fi, especially overseas.

And it's all encrypted.

>> And this is connected to like a cellular

network.

>> This is connected to a cellular network

that runs through Glacier. Uh, and so

all of your all of your traffic will be

>> This is awesome.

>> Encrypted.

>> And is there like a subscription fee for

for this? [sighs and gasps]

>> We haven't released those yet. Great

question.

>> I get the free 99. Yeah, you get the

free one. So,

>> there it is.

>> Well, thank you very much. This is

really cool. Now you don't have to worry

about public Wi-Fi anymore.

>> Well, I think it's more for the other

people than me, but I I appreciate it.

I'll be you using the crap out of this.

I promise you that.

>> You're welcome, man.

>> Thank you very much. I didn't realize it

did all that. I I It looks like a power

bank, but I It does a lot more than

power bank based on what you just said.

>> Yeah. So, we use that in Taiwan. We use

that in Romania. We use that in Dubai. I

use it everywhere now. I just, you know,

so

>> Well, congrats on that. That's good.

That's awesome.

>> I'm pumped. You turned me into a tech

guy.

>> Yeah, you were.

>> You were the first tech guy I had on.

>> You know what I will also turn you into?

>> What's that?

>> I mean, I know I know you're wealthy,

Sean, but I don't think you're this

wealthy.

>> I'm not wealthy.

>> Hold on a second. I I brought something

for you here.

I got you a billion dollar,

>> dude.$1 billion. could use an extra

billion. The Reserve Bank of Zimbabwe.

>> Yeah, but you see how it says dollars on

that bill.

>> Yeah.

>> So, you technically have a billion

dollars.

>> [ __ ] a.

>> You're officially a billionaire.

>> Billionaire now.

>> And uh I just wanted to make it very

clear that you have it's in the United

States. So, you know, maybe it came from

Zimbabwe.

>> Thanks for making me a huge target.

[laughter]

>> Well, we you hear about all these

problems with billionaires in the United

States. Um, but you know, people having

issues with them and all this stuff, but

you're not going to be one of them. And

think of all the people in Zimbabwe.

They're all billionaires, too.

>> Good point. Good point.

>> No problems. But just thought it was a

cool thing. I we we have a we ordered

them on eBay at the office cuz there's

like 50 or 20 billion bills. 40 billion.

>> We ordered these on eBay.

>> We thought Yeah, we made we put them in

a frame, you know, and [laughter] uh we

just thought it'd be funny to give you

one because it's just unbelievable the

amount of inflation that's happened. But

that's a whole different topic.

>> Yeah. They don't use those bills

anymore, but

>> right on.

>> Yeah. But it's a cool thing to have, I

thought.

>> But, uh, going actually, I got a couple

things about cellular that I want to

talk about. So,

>> yeah, let's do it.

>> It's not it's nothing against what you

said. It's more just about cellular in

general and my worries for it. Um,

>> so firstly, there's uh there's this

thing right here, which is uh a Verizon

hotspot. Looks no it looks no different

than a Verizon hot. That's what it is.

It is a hotspot. I think it's called the

Orbit. The act or Orbit um is the the

actual model of it. They're about $9 on

eBay as of recording right now. Um and

if I plug it in, show you how simple

this is. Um

>> so this is the exact same thing as what

I just gave you, just on secure.

>> Yeah. So this is just a hot spot.

>> Okay.

>> But I modified this hotspot with a

custom custom firmware called Ray

Hunter.

>> Of course you did. And for

[clears throat] $9, I can which I know

you're going to want one of these. This

is this is up your alley.

>> Is this going to be the framed piece for

this episode?

>> I don't know. I don't know. But I bring

this every country I go to, everywhere I

go. So, it's charging now. Let me turn

it on.

Come on.

There it goes. Okay. So, you see it's

it's got their their logo and everything

on it. You would never know this isn't a

real hot spot.

>> Yeah,

>> it still does broadcast a network on it.

Um and you'll see at the top here,

you're going to start seeing a green or

red, hopefully green, a green or red

line the second that it that it boots

up.

Okay. So, it has no service at the

moment, but it's loading.

Okay. See that green line at the top

there?

>> Yeah.

>> So, that means that there are no

stingrays within proximity to us, which

is going real simple is how the feds or

certain people can track your phone's

location, the like the the information

that comes from your phone. Like, just

think of it as a as a um a way to to

determine if your phone's being tracked.

And you could just have this running at

all times sitting in your pocket. And

instead of it and instead of it um you

know acting as a Wi-Fi router or

hotspot, I could take this I can use my

phone, I'll show you. Um I could go and

connect to

the Verizon network right here.

>> Mhm.

>> And then I'll go right to my browser. Um

hold on. Stingray hunter.

Where is it at?

Come on.

I'll just

>> So, this thing basically detects if

there's any anything listening or

gathering information on you within some

type of a radius.

>> Yeah. And and you don't have to stare at

it, you know. That's that's kind of the

the good thing about it is you don't you

don't have to stare at it and and uh and

if it turns red once it's uh here hold

I'll show

>> like when you came to the old studio and

we had that little piece of [ __ ] EMF

detector thing and we found something in

the wall and we're like where is it?

>> Yeah, it's this is this is a whole

different thing. Um let me just look I

have it in my bookmark. Sorry. I because

I have the actual Verizon page and then

I have the page of it uh where it's

modified

uh

sorry

here we go. All right. So Oh, actually

what the heck? I actually have a warning

here.

>> Are you [ __ ] serious?

>> I am dead serious. Look at this. There's

a red There's a red warning.

So, I'll download that pcap after. Like,

I I seriously didn't set this up. I

really didn't. I swear to God.

>> Well, [ __ ] How do you know what it is?

>> I'll download it and try to see, but it

just lets me know there's a device

within proximity. That's the first time

I've ever seen I've seen that's my first

time ever seeing a warning. This is

likely

if you just turn your device on, this is

likely a false positive.

>> Well, the there's two other captures

above it. So, I I don't know. There's a

couple below it and above it. So, we'll

have to look at into that. I've never

even seen that.

>> Wait a minute.

This is my place.

Uh, I mean I I didn't look at it.

>> It says July Thursday, July 3rd,

Wednesday, September 10th.

>> Well, then that would be incorrect.

Unless the top one has the wrong date.

>> Top one is Monday, October 20th.

>> That's today.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. Then that then the other one must

be I must have missed it.

>> That's

>> Dude, you can't be [ __ ] with me like

that.

>> I didn't mean to. I barely looked at it.

I just saw red and was like,

>> I just told you how paranoid I get about

this [ __ ]

>> Well, this is why you need one of these.

>> I'm Yep. I need I need to buy that.

>> It's nine bucks right now. I'll just

give you this one. But

>> that's nine bucks.

>> Yeah, it's a hacked version of a Verizon

hotspot. But

>> so you just turn that on anywhere you

go. How like how far is the radius?

>> I mean it's it's anywhere it receives

cellular just like a cell phone would.

>> Yeah.

>> So it's what it's doing is like this

port this interface is because I'm

connected to the hotspot as if like as

if you would be using it but it's on a

custom port it's called. So like it's a

you know how like people can they can

root their uh they can root their

Androids meaning like giving it more

permissions and install custom apps.

>> This is running a version of Android

that's rooted

>> and then it's running that custom

software. So you just go in here, you

let it run all day and then you can go

and just check is it green? Is it red?

And if it is if it is red the Ray Hunter

um like GitHub is like where all the

developers put their stuff. You can copy

the file and put it in there and they'll

analyze it for you. like you don't even

need to know what you're looking at. So,

they'd be interested in this red one

that I have because I never even seen

red before. I never This is my first

time.

>> I am.

>> But yeah. Yeah. I thought you would like

this cuz it's kind of a cool cheap

little hacky thing, but all it works. Um

>> I'm getting like one of those for

everybody on the team.

>> Yeah, I'll set them all up for you.

[clears throat] All right. So, that one

>> What's that called?

>> It's This is a a regular Verizon

hotspot, but the software on it is

called Ray Hunter.

>> Okay. And uh and then this is the

Orbitic O R I Verizon Orbitic.

>> Right on.

>> Yeah, I got mine on eBay. Let me turn it

off.

But as long as you're seeing a green

line, you're good. And I didn't see a

red line here. So I was like, as soon as

I logged into the portal, it was like

red. I was like, what? Never seen red.

>> So what do you do if it's red? Get a new

hotel room.

>> Put your phone in airplane mode or in a

Faraday bag real quick.

>> Okay. Yeah, cuz it's it, you know, I I

never had it happen, but I I like to

know if someone's spying on me, you

know,

>> so they they could be sucking info out

even Okay.

>> Um, and then let's see what else can I

show you? Okay, so speaking of cell

phone staying on that topic, um, this is

something I actually brought as another

gift for you. And

>> I love gifts.

>> Have you heard of um, have you heard of

Meshtastic?

>> No. So, it's super cool. And you know, I

I don't know how familiar you are with

the China situation. It just happened in

New York.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Can you talk about that?

>> I mean, I can talk about it briefly. I

wrote some that just so I make sure I

have the numbers correct on on that. Um,

there was 300 SIM card servers with over

a 100,000 SIM cards capable of 20

million of taking 20 million offline.

So, and that's the tri-state region of

New York. So like not just New York, but

the surrounding states too. And uh and

that's just with the ones that they

found. So I think it would be kind of

naive to think,

you know, there's not more of these all

over our entire country.

>> So what could that have done?

>> So it would have been a denial of

service attack is the technical term for

it, but it would have been so many like

have you ever been to a concert or a big

event where everybody's there and your

phone's going so slow and no calls are

going through? That's because that's

just so many people are there. It's

denial of service. This is a distributed

denial of service, meaning coming from

multiple angles with, you know, let's

say each one sending a 100 text messages

a minute. Um, it's intentionally trying

to flood the towers with so much data uh

that they can't function. They can't

keep up with it. So that that's

essentially what they're what that was

set up to do. And uh and to my

knowledge, the way they found that at

least partially was from a tip. So, I

don't think they're going to get a tip

everywhere that China or whoever I'm

assuming China in almost all cases has

these all over our country, which scares

the crap out of me.

>> Mhm.

>> So, I started looking into

>> what would what would they Okay, so I I

really want to dive I have an idea of

where this is going, but I want you to

describe like, okay, they shut down all

cell phone communications. What does

that what does that mean for the

population, especially in a in a in a

city that's as dense as Manhattan? It's

absolute chaos is what happened. It's

absolute chaos. Um, everyone relies on a

phone right now in some sort of way to

connect with their families, to pay

their bills, to, you know, get into

their cars and like myself included. Um,

to get into their houses, to uh to pay

for things. Um it's it gives you know to

call for emergency services. Yeah. Like

whatever you know all of these things.

>> Um and if you take it away it's and

that's just the the the tip of the

iceberg. I mean if China attacks us with

an EMP and we lose our power. I mean

some stuff that I've read means people

are thinking we're not even going to

make it three months without power.

>> Yeah.

>> Like a lot of people are just going to

die off.

>> A lot of people would die off.

>> Yeah. And it it's sad and it makes sense

though. So my I mean I I could try to go

further into I don't know you know on

the politics and all that like you know

I don't know a ton about it.

>> I mean how long would how long would the

server be down for?

>> As long as they're attacking.

>> So so how would they initiate the

attack?

>> So and just as a this is a guess from me

but if it was me behind this so let's

say I would have all of these servers

ready to go. I would have one computer

that had access to all of them or or you

know just imagine just like a digital

switch. So I remote into a computer

somewhere wherever it is and uh and I

press the go button basically and the go

button tells all of those those SIM

servers to start sending out text

messages to at mass volumes uh and it's

just going to you know keep people

offline. So it would be somebody

remotely detonating essentially. Um and

uh and then at that point all of the all

of the phones in the area slashtriate

area according to what I read would be

you know they'd be completely useless.

Not like not only with text messages

also phone calls also data for the

internet completely offline.

>> The like hardwired internet as well.

>> No no internet would be okay because

that that's not it's not affecting the

cellular towers but any cellular

connection be offline. Like you would

you would see you that you had

connection but it just wouldn't work.

How long would they How long could they

keep it down for?

>> They would have to figure out where all

of the places that were distributing all

of that. Yeah, it would take time. It

would be it would be substantial enough

for it to be a problem. I'll tell you

that much. Especially imagine if it

happened in like Utah or somewhere where

there wasn't, you know, like and I don't

know. I'm just taking a random guess,

but like somewhere that more a little

more uh desolate uh in certain areas at

least. Um it would take a while for that

to be fixed, I believe. Would there be a

way to trace that type of a signal? I

mean I mean I remember seeing the

pictures of that and I mean it was like

tons of antennas and electronics. I was

there is there do you have one do one of

these devices go whoa there's like a lot

of text messages coming from that

building. So, none of these devices are

going to go. I mean, you may be able to

pull some general cellular uh frequency

stuff from the uh the hack RF H4M, like

the new Hack RF. Um, well, combination.

It's a whole whole thing. But, uh, you

may be able to see something on here

like, do you know like a waterfall

display? It's just like colors going

down the screen. You may be able to see

like a big fluctuation of that. But, I I

don't know for sure to be honest with

you. But I do know that with a denial of

service attack with a ton a ton of

numbers

taking 20 million phones

offline. I mean that that's a serious

problem regardless if they could find it

or not. But the problem is this.

>> Um the problem is

if you're not sending or receiving text

messages on all of these SIM servers,

then they how are they going to identify

that they're there? because they're not

transmitting or receiving any data at

that point. If the remote on and off

switch I was talking about earlier was

off, they're not going to be able to

determine that they're there yet. But

the second they start sending out a

signal, it's probably a little bit

easier for them to detect all of this

data is coming out of this specific

spot.

>> They could just, you know, go around

with an electromagnetic, you know, field

detector and say, "Wow, there's a a crap

ton of all this coming out of this

building."

>> By then it's too late.

>> Yeah. At that point, it's already caused

a mass hysteria or a mass problem or the

media is already reporting on China's

attacking us or whatever, you know, god

forbid happens.

>> So, yeah,

it's wild, man.

>> So, what is the red thing here?

>> So, this is just this is a radio that I

built for you. Um, I bought the parts,

obviously. It's a the nerd details. It's

a Heltech V3. It's a 3D printed case.

It's got a custom antenna on it that

gives you a little bit more range

because out here there's a lot more

space than like in South Florida we have

hurricanes. We have all you know all of

the different emergencies that might

happen and we're we can operate with a

little bit smaller antennas than what

you would need in you know in this

state. Um so basically what this device

does is it operates very similar to a

walkie-talkie. So like but a way cooler.

So just hear me out. um like when you

when you click a walkie-talkie and you

you know we're within range of each

other. You're going to hear me. I'm

going to hear you. Same with this. So I

this doesn't use your voice. You don't

talk on it like a like you know like a

phone. You text with this. So imagine I

send a text and I say, "Hey Sean." Um

and then let's say you're with within

100 feet of me. You receive it. Um now

let's say you're 10 miles away from me.

This antenna isn't going 10 miles. With

a walkie-talkie. It isn't going 10

miles. The reason why they call it

Meshtastic is because it's using all of

the devices in between you to mesh

together to get that message to the

intended recipient. And on top of that,

it's fully encrypted. So the devices

that are carrying the message, uh like

imagine all the walkie-talkies are

carrying that message until it gets to

you, but none of them can hear your

voice until it gets to the destination.

>> Does that make sense?

>> Yeah.

>> Um so there there's a primary channel

which is just like, you know, it's non-

enrypted. everybody's conversations in

there. That's great for the natural emer

like you know hurricanes or emergencies.

And then let's say you and I want to

talk about something private off the

grid. This has no cellular connection,

no monthly bill. This is straight up

using its own transmit and receive right

from that antenna. Um and uh and you

know you can you can be 100% anonymous

with this and no way to recover

anything. I mean it's this is this is

could also be used maliciously to be

honest with you, but so can anything. um

like uh I don't think it I don't know

it's it's just a it's a super cool

device. I I'll save my opinion, but you

the way to operate it is actually with

that specific one, you need the the

Meshtastic app on your phone.

>> You connect it via Bluetooth and then

that's just so you can send and receive

messages.

>> But uh there are certain ones you can

buy that are pre-built that uh that look

like Blackberries actually. They have

like little keyboards on them and they

connect in with the mesh and then you

send a message from the actual device

itself and receive messages on the

device itself. That is just a Bluetooth

like so your phone's going to be your

you know

>> so the phone is the Okay.

>> Yeah.

>> You send them so the message goes from

your phone to this through the mesh

network.

>> I'll show you right now. It's so easy.

>> Um

[clears throat] so you got Can the

cameras see this? Um SRS mesh. You

connect in, you're on there. This is

going to tell you the nodes that are

around you, which we're in a building

that isn't going to have any nodes, but

once we get outside, they would.

Messages, channels, primary channel, and

then you could just say, "Hey, I need

help." For example, I'll just say,

"Hey," so I don't scare anybody. And

then now it's waiting to be

acknowledged. What that means is it's

waiting for somebody to acknowledge with

their radio. It's going to acknowledge

this message and relay it to as many

people as possible because this is a

channel that everyone can see.

>> Holy [ __ ]

>> And then there's the se I made you one

called secretcoms which is built into

this radio that has its own private key.

So if I'm let's say I'm 100 miles away

from you, I can send you a message and

it's going to use a bunch of other

people's radio to get the message to to

you, but they're not going to see what I

said. It's just going to use their

radios to make it to you. Hopping off of

them.

>> Damn. How long does it take to get that

message to somebody?

>> Milliseconds.

>> No [ __ ]

>> Yeah. Yeah. It's radio. It's It's a