Well, I mean, I know people I won't name

who took the money they made, and it

might not have been hundreds of millions

of dollars in fees like Leo or or or you

know, whatever. Dick Capri, but then

there's people I know who made less

money in fees, but they invested that

money, acting fees, your fee, your

performance. Oh, like Yeah. Oh, fees

like your on a movie.

>> You make a movie and you get paid. You

know, you do Tom Cruz, you get $50

million.

>> You just say the words, right? And you

get $50 million.

>> No, no, no. He does a lot more than that

for 50 million.

>> Do you have Tom Cruz?

>> Do I have Tom's number? Yeah.

>> I have a sister's number.

>> You have a sister.

>> But if I call her,

>> who's she?

>> Who's she?

>> Yeah.

>> She's Tom's sister.

>> Wow.

Heat. Heat.

Hello and welcome back to the Adam

Freedelland show. I'm Adam Freedelland,

guys. Big episode today. But before we

start, I'm going back on the road.

Emerald City Comedy Club. Seattle,

Washington, January 23rd. Oh, [ __ ] I

did the dates wrong. Seattle,

Washington, January 22nd, 23rd, 24th.

I'm with Caleb Pittz, the man that is

He's sick today.

>> Yeah,

>> I'm doing five shows. Get tickets at

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going to be it's Do we That's funny that

Caleb put it in there. I'm doing another

one of those Caleb writes it and I react

uh for the first time. It's a fun game

that the people love. My guest this week

is the legendary American actor Alec

Baldwin. Mr. Baldwin is known for many

roles over the years, but perhaps his

most iconic is his turn as Blake, the

chastising associate sent to motivate

the poor salesman of Oh, was that his

name? Blake.

said to motivate them the salesman of

Glenn Gary Glenn Ross. His name was

Blake. Did you know that? He didn't seem

like a Blake.

>> He was a madeup character. They just

gave him the last name, but I don't

think anyone called.

>> They didn't put it in the play.

>> It's there's no like dialogue. It's just

like a block of text and then he leaves

the

>> his name. He's known for his character.

Put that coffee down. The chastising

associate motivated

whatever. It really is a career-defining

performance. One of the film's greatest

monologues, the spark of drama that sets

everything into motion. But there's too

much cussing.

So, here's what I would have said if I

was him. This is good, Caleb. I hope

you're feeling better, my friend. Hey,

you piece of crap. Put down your coffee

and let's get to work. Enough lolly

gaggacking around here. We really need

to work and we need to make some sales.

So, let's get this thing started and

let's have a great week at work. Thanks

every

Thanks everyone for your time and if you

need anything I'm always available. I

really appreciate everyone's time and I

really I can really see you. You guys

are trying your hardest. Okay. So let's

go do this guys. Please en

please enjoy my interview with Alec

Baldwin. Guys, this is a great one. I'm

very proud of it.

Ladies and gentlemen, American

Institution Alec Baldwin. I can't

believe it, folks. I can't believe it,

FOLKS.

I feel

I feel uh I feel truly I'm We had a

pre-in yesterday. I'm This is where it

all ends. My hot streak. I'm outclassed

and outgunned right now. You You get

within 5 seconds. I'm like, it's really

him.

>> That's so bizarre. You know, when you

walk around

and you're just kind of allergic to

that, you know what I mean? Like so

people will see you on the street and

say things to you.

>> Oh, you knew. You say, "Calm down." You

know what I mean? Like,

>> no. But you got on the phone, you're

like, "Freedland." You're like, "Yeah,

Freedelland." Uh, tell me something. Are

you as dry in real life as you are on

the television screen? I'm like, it's

him. I feel like Liz Lemon right now.

What an honor. It's charming. I Thank

you so much. I'm a massive fan. I think

I've researched too much. I mean, you

missed the tinfoil hat like pins on a on

a corkboard section, but we were we were

going quite deep and it goes and the

corruption goes all the way to the top,

mind you. I mean, this this this whole

thing stinks. Obama, the Illuminati,

that pyramid with the eyeball. You

you're I mean, look carefully at the

top.

>> You're a useful useful pacy, I would

say. No. Um, no, but it has been fun

kind of to just revisit your work and

just uh remind myself like uh kind of

anecdotally the moments in my life that

I interacted with it and you know and

just kind of the

>> How old are you if I may ask?

>> I'm uh I'm 38 years old.

>> No. Okay.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> You look younger.

>> How familiar are you with this this show

right now?

>> I watch your show cuz the people from my

heart said it's always that thing where

they're like, "Well, your podcast would

do better if you did other podcasts."

This is a talk show. Yeah,

>> a talk show. I'm sorry.

>> Yeah, it's a talk show. Real talk.

>> Your podcast would do better if you did

more talk shows.

>> Thank you.

>> So, I um uh they said to me that you

were hot and your show was hot.

>> Thanks.

>> And uh your middle name is hot.

>> One of the hottest guys said that to me.

And then um so they said to me, "Come

on." And normally um I don't do a lot of

that because of my I have kids now. I

have a lot of kids. So I'm I'm kind of

busy with other things, right? Yeah.

When I leave here, I got to go pick up

my kids from school. Where? Oh, you have

like seven of them.

>> I have eight children. My oldest is

Well, my oldest. Yeah.

>> Eight now. Well, you live lift up a sofa

cushion. There's always a baby under

there every on my house.

>> Where do you get the energy? I

>> I I don't actually cuz I'm half dead

from exhaustion. I have my older

daughter, Ireland. She's married kind of

and has a baby and then and I have a

baby and a grandchild that are the same

age.

>> Really?

>> Yeah.

>> That's some freaky [ __ ] right there.

>> It's a little

weed.

>> Yeah. Something. Are you a weed weed

guy?

>> No. No. But I've taken some gummies for

my I have bad horrible insomnia. Do you

sleep well? You

>> I I took a half of a of five milligram

and watched Fantastic Mr. Fox with my

girlfriend and I kept saying this is so

well done.

>> My god, this documentary is amazing.

>> I've really enjoyed learning about your

life. When you speak about film and uh

the theatrical arts, it's you kind of

seem like you're in love

>> parts of it. Yeah. From what I

understand, like from a very young age.

You grew up in Long Island, right? Irish

Catholic family.

>> Yes.

>> Your dad let you stay up late and watch

movies.

>> Well, he would um he'd fall asleep. He

would come home. He always had some

other he was a school teacher. He always

had some evening functions he did and

jobs he did to uh supplement his income.

And then he'd come home and my mother

was like out of it. So I'd say, "Well,

who's going to let dad in?" Like he

didn't have a key to his own house, you

know what I mean? So I would wait for

him to come and he can go in the kitchen

and make a sandwich and come in and have

a something to drink and he'd watch and

he'd look at the New York Times used to

have those really pathy little reviews

of movies. So would say, you know, Ball

of Fire, you know, Barbara Stanick tells

Gary Cooper where he can go and my

father would go, "Wow, Ball of Fire,

that's a great movie." I said, "Let's

watch it." He said, "No, no, you got to

go to bed." I go, "Let's watch 10

minutes."

>> This was my my my game. And within 10

minutes, he was asleep. And I would

watch the whole movie till 1:00 in the

morning. Man.

>> And what were those movies that you were

like? What like what is

>> Are you a big movie freak?

>> Yeah.

>> Five graves to Cairo with Francho Tone.

>> Okay. Yeah.

>> Uh uh um. Uh uh. Hakim was my Valley.

>> The best.

>> Uh uh. Ball of Fire. Um Sorry.

>> Ball of Fire is a comedy with Barbara

Stamick who I love. My The first movie I

ever watched on TV all the way through

till 1 in the morning was um Sorry Wrong

number with Barbara Stemach and Bert

Lancaster. Great thriller. one of the

great thrillers of all time.

>> Yeah.

>> But uh um yeah,

>> when I've like watched interviews with

you, you're you're like an incredible

mimic and something I've like connected

in my mind was like I imagine like a kid

watching TV.

>> Yes.

>> And then you kind of doing the voices.

Did you feel like you were transcending

Long Island there?

>> Well, I would be there watching a movie

and someone would come on. I remember uh

watching movies for those of you here

who are a little older. Um, when you

watch movies back then, I mean, you had

like an Ayurvedic sense of focus,

>> you know, you

>> they were live, right?

>> Well, you Yeah. Well, you'd watch the

movie and there was no button to press.

There was no VHS, no VCR, no rewind. You

watch and you got locked in. You like

watched and and heard everything.

>> So, when James Kagny, you would talk

about impersonating people. He would say

lines.

>> You'd walk away an hour later be the

guy's in the trunk. The guy says, you

know, open up, open up. I can't breathe.

I need some air. And Kagny's like, "Eh,

you want air? I'll give you air." Boom.

Boom. Boom. And he shoots the trunk of

the car. Now I'd walk around. I was like

10 years old. I'd walk around the whole

day going, "Eh, you want air? I'll give

you air." And you just these lived in

your mind all the time. You b

>> I was Austin Powers kid.

>> You were. Yeah, it was pretty cool.

Everyone at school thought it was cool.

Yeah.

>> You like Mike Myers? Have you followed

his whole career?

>> Yeah. I mean, that's kind of my age.

>> Well, beyond Austin Powers. Yeah. The

Love Guru. Yeah,

>> Shrek remakes and Shrek sequels. More

Shrek.

>> Oh, really? I thought that was the real

Shrek.

>> Those Mike Myers.

>> Mike Myers does. Yeah, but but those

Austin Powers movies. What was the

Scottish guy's name? The Scottish

>> The Fat Bastard. Thank you. Yeah,

>> he did all that. Yeah, Fat Bastard.

>> We This is our age demo. It was It was

pretty cool.

>> Do you remember how funny that was for

us

>> when he had to pee for a long time after

he got unfrozen?

>> That was a real moment. I remember

taking my parents to that and my mom was

like what? Like I don't want to go see

the second one. Like I was like she was

like it's really a disgusting.

>> My kids love that. They love Zoolander.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> They love anything that's nasty.

>> Stealer is really funny. I mean I liked

growing up our our generation's Borat. I

feel like

>> you do. My kids love Borat.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> They do. They're like they want to see

Borat. They want to see, you know, they

want to see the guy's ass

>> on his face. The guy naked.

>> Oh, the fat guy. Yeah. Yeah.

>> The fat guy puts his ass on his face.

I'm sorry. I apologize to you. I love I

love You know what I love? I love uh

>> uh uh Sasha Baron Cohen and Sweeney Todd

when they do the duel, the the shaving

duel where they both shave the guy.

>> I haven't seen it, but I saw him go he

did uh in Lay Miz.

>> Sasha Baron Cone does Lay Miz.

>> He does a Master of the House, doesn't

he?

>> He does. Yeah. Yeah.

>> No, I've never seen that.

>> You've never seen Lay Miz?

>> Is it in some anniversary issue of the

show?

>> I think it was a movie with a Yeah.

Annne Hathaway. She's She plays a some

like a prostitute. They cut her. does

master of the house in the lame. I

didn't know that.

>> Is it [ __ ] if it's no talking? If

it's only songs. That's what me and my

girlfriend had an argument about. I was

like, keep watching. She's like, there's

not they're not doing sentences. It's

just songs.

>> Well, you got to think about like people

who wrote opera, how they tried to keep

it interesting. You know, you're not

going to sit there and go, I am hungry.

I want to call the food store to deliver

my food. Like everything Well,

everything that's kind of quotidian

does that, right? It's like and then I

went to the It's kind of [ __ ] It

doesn't have to be a song.

>> He does it slightly better than that.

>> Just [ __ ] say it, dude.

>> But I'm saying the idea of an opera,

which I attend the opera now and then

and everything is sung and I I I left to

read the screen because I don't speak

German or whatever. And you wonder how

they have

>> a lot of good good thoughts.

>> Got some good lines.

>> He has some great

>> killer lines. Great.

>> Honestly, if I was a German non-Jew

person and they were playing that, it's

very emotional. You could sell a fascism

with that music.

>> I do get a little nervous when I put on

Vagner. I must

>> No, it's fine. You can listen to I have

permission.

>> Yeah, I'll give you the P. It's so

beautiful. Tanhauser.

>> Yeah,

>> you're a big classical is my favorite.

>> You're you're that's your thing?

Classical.

>> I uh Yeah, I'm a big nut. I I was in LA

and I was driving around. I was, you

know, living out there for a while going

back and forth for 30 years. I had a

home in both places. And I'm in the car

and I put on the local classical station

and I just I I never turn back. All I

listen to now is pretty much classical.

>> Do you remember what was playing?

>> Uh yes.

>> Vogner.

>> Uh no.

>> Richard Wagner.

>> Richard

on the show recently. I was like

>> no.

>> I said yeah. I'm afraid to release it. I

don't think I've ever met a racist.

>> I think that was the first racist I've

met.

>> She was she racist on your show?

>> Oh my god. But I didn't know how to

interact with it cuz it was kind of a

woman was yelling at me and I really

hate when that happens.

>> She was yelling at you.

>> So I was trying to Yeah. Yeah. I was

trying to just def I was trying to I

think I said to her, "I'm nice. Stop

yelling at me."

>> Whenever women yell, just say the same

thing, which is my line always, which is

>> they're so bad.

>> Well, a friend of mine taught me this,

which was women yell at you. No offense,

but when women yell at you, just say the

line, "I don't understand."

>> Really?

>> And they just keep saying it and then

they leave. They'll say something to you

and you go, "I don't understand." They

don't like it when you ask questions

about what they mean. They really don't

like that either.

>> See, I don't understand. He'll be gone

in five minutes.

>> They don't like it when

I bet you like um Zoron's girl is

probably mad at him for working too long

for cuz he was uh cuz he was campaigning

too much.

>> Yes.

>> You know, I think it's

>> You excited about that? Are you excited

about where the city's headed? The

direction we're headed in.

>> Uh I think he's a pretty smart guy.

>> Yeah. I met him. I met him. I think

>> he been on the show.

>> He's trying No, not yet. But he it was

really you know in '92 like um my

parents were really excited about

Clinton right and they had like don't

stop think about tomorrow the Fleetwood

Mac and then it kind of dawned on me

that that was the first boomer right

that was like in national politics and

when I met him he we just both like

soccer and hiphop and we're just the

lamest guys

me and Zodon yeah we were just talking

>> where'd you meet him

>> I met him in Queens I

>> You mean Mandani And it's kind of

representation. It was kind of Wakanda

for me. It's like we're both like, you

know what I mean? Like he's a

millennial. He's like a He was uniquely

normal.

>> Well, the strangest introduction I ever

had was I was at

>> the Kennedy Center Honors years ago. I

used to go pretty frequently and did a

couple shows for Vagner getting the

award. Yeah. Vagner's Vagner's daughter

got the award.

>> Oh, yeah.

>> She accepted. Um the uh um the thing was

that we were there and uh uh my friend

who passed away, she was a big lobbyist

in Washington, Liz Robbins,

>> and we're going through the the lunchon.

There's like four different events that

you can go to if you're there for the

weekend.

>> So I go down there for the whole weekend

that I'm there at this event and you're

saying hi to Richard Gard and you're

saying hi to this person and you're

saying hi to this congressman or

whatever and this uh uh woman, senator,

whatever. And as I I don't see over here

and Liz goes and you know Secretary

Kissinger and I went,

>> "Oh, wow." and and Henry Kissinger just

in front of me.

>> Hands up.

>> And right prior to that, like within a

day or two, his mother had died.

>> Oh no.

>> His mother lived up in Harlem in like a

little Jewish section of Uptown. And she

was a big community activist. She was

very very well loved there.

>> And I turned to him and I'm going,

"Here's this guy who was essentially,

>> you know, a war criminal."

>> Yeah. He he caught a lot of

>> in front of me and he's in front of me

and I go,

>> "I'm sorry about your mother."

>> And he leans in and hugs me. He goes,

"That's really nice of you." And he was

so lit. He was like a ball.

>> So, thank you so much for seeing this. I

thought to myself, I'm comforting Henry

Kissinger.

>> Was he like 52 but like rotunded?

>> He was a little bit of a fire.

>> A ton of [ __ ] You know that

>> he got more ass. But like

>> what was that?

>> That's like a Nixon with a

>> the tapes. Do you like the Nixon tapes?

>> Do I like the Nixon tapes?

>> I love I mean

>> fellas Nick. I think the writing I think

okay from a dramatic arts perspective I

think this the writing on Nixon was the

best writing in terms of like this guy's

just a [ __ ]

>> Oliver Stones movie. No, I'm just saying

no. The guy Richard Nixon like the best

president is Lincoln, right? He's like

the best. He was He did a good job,

right? He saved the union, brother. Come

on. Stop. But anyway, Nixon was just

this loser. And every time he showed up

anywhere, they'd be like, "Oh, it's

Richard Nixon." You know the thing about

Pat, right?

>> What about her?

>> When he was trying to like smell

>> date her,

>> she was like, "No, you're [ __ ]

Richard Nixon. I'm not going to date

you."

>> Yes. and he drove them on the D

>> and then he would chaperone her for like

18 months with

>> but you see Oliver's movie about Nixon

right the other guy was you see Oliver's

movie about Nixon and uh the what's it

ma says that to Kissinger

>> he the interpreter says the chairman

wants to know how a fat man like you can

have so many girlfriends

>> well he's paying for it probably though

>> no

>> how many how many how many girls you got

in your lifetime probably over a

thousand

>> how many women know that's very you're a

movie Sorry.

>> No,

>> I was busy man.

>> You're a busy man.

>> I look at the woman. I got 20 minutes.

>> No, you don't have 20 minutes. No, no,

no,

>> no. The I say it to the woman.

>> Oh, the woman. You got more time, right?

Your kid can walk home. In your memoir,

you talk about um when you're a young

actor living in New York City, you talk

about that you were into prank calls,

you and your roommate. Yes.

>> Right.

>> My roommate. Well, I used to do this

with my ex-girlfriend.

>> Did you?

>> Driving in from Long Island on Sunday

nights. We'd be driving on the LIIE late

at night and we would leave messages

>> on like corporate voicemails. So you'd

call up and it would say uh to reach

human resources press 26

>> and then you'd press 26 and the voice

would come on and go, "Hi, it's Steve

Regan." And uh even me up the tone and I

get on and go, "Oh my god, Steve, last

night was so magical. You were you left

your watch on the night table."

>> So whatever the gag was.

>> Yeah.

>> Could you prank call my father?

I here's my pitch. You prank call him as

Donald Trump and you say your son is in

big trouble with the administration.

>> I should be somebody who Well, you don't

want I can't do these voices when you

say you're Trump. But no, but you say

you're Trump and then right away your

father will know what stupid.

>> My dad won't know. He's going to think

that I'm going to GMO and it's going to

be so funny.

>> But I think I should say that like

somebody should say uh not you of

course. Somebody should say I hold the

line for uh director Patel.

>> Oh yeah. I come on character. They

wouldn't really know who that was.

>> My dad would have some words for Trump.

I think it's going to be funny.

>> But let's finish the interview first.

You want to do it now?

>> Yeah. It'd be hilarious. This is going

to be a moment of like talking more than

I thought.

>> I don't have a phone on me. I mean,

well, yeah. Say this is Donald Trump. I

have your son.

>> No, I'm not going to say I'm Donald

Trump.

>> No, just say it's it's going to be

because my dad

>> say I'm the president.

>> Yeah.

>> He hates Trump. But if I say I'm Trump,

that's going to give it away that it's

[ __ ] What's his name?

>> Max.

>> Max. Yeah, Max Freeland. He's a He's a

great guy.

>> Max Vagner is your fellow.

>> No, he's not. Come on, dude. We're on

the other side. We're in the hiding

side. Okay.

>> Hold the line for the President of the

United States, please.

>> One moment, Dad. I think it's for you.

>> Hello.

>> Hold the line for the President of the

United States, please.

>> Hold the line for the president of the

United States.

Is this Max? Max, are you there? Max, I

got a file in front of me that says

you're in Vegas. Is that where you are,

Max? Vegas?

>> Who am I talking to?

>> You're talking to the president of the

United States, Donald J. Trump. And I

want you to know your son,

>> I know who you are.

>> Your son is a mess. Okay, we got to get

him out of the country. We're sending

him down to Uruguay. Uruguay. We're

going to teach communications at the

Uruguayan University of Communications.

Okay, but want you to talk to really

quickly. He's He's only going to be in

the country for another 3 or 4 hours.

Here he is, Max. Thank you. Hold on. Say

hello to your father, Max.

>> I'm in big trouble with the

administration.

>> I know.

>> He's a Brit. He's a Brit.

>> He's South African.

>> Yeah, we're Cape Tonia Jews. Dad, I'll

talk to you later. You've been pranked.

>> South African. They got it right the

first time. Okay. They knew what they

were doing.

>> idiot. You've been pranked.

>> I knew it was by the best who is still

the best. Uh, Donald Trump.

>> Oh, you hear that? Are you You're coming

for that James

>> Kick victory.

>> Yo, okay. I love you, Dad.

>> I love you, Jad.

>> Dad, you say I love you back. Why did

you say I love you back?

>> I I said I love you back.

>> Oh, okay. Thanks a lot. Why you

really turned so nice recently?

>> Yes.

>> I can't handle it.

>> Was he not like that when you were

young?

>> No. Well, it's not.

>> Are you bitter and cynical because of

the way he treated you?

>> No, no, no. He's he's my best friend. He

made me tough cuz we'd sit there arguing

but uh it would always be like a

compliment but it would be a criticism.

The other day he's like just be

yourself. I'm like what the [ __ ] are you

talking about?

>> Who's that?

>> Myself.

>> Who's How many kids in your family?

>> Two. I'm the older one.

>> And who's the other one?

>> Zoe. We have the same person.

>> That's the one that answered the phone.

>> Yeah. Yeah. She was in on it. She was in

on it. Can I ask you if I could take

your phone and could I do a prank call

>> on Robert Dairo perhaps?

Hillary Clinton.

>> Can we get Hillary Clinton?

>> I don't I don't have anybody here.

>> What about President Clinton? He's a

real magic guy.

>> Hillary Clinton. I mean, uh Chelsea

Clinton.

>> No. No. Yeah.

>> Chel.

>> If I If I gave your number and you prank

called Chelsea Clinton, I would be out

of this country in about an hour.

>> I'm telling you, I'm not going to mess

anything up for you. Robert Dairo is

going to think this is really funny.

Dairo is a very nononsense guy. He's

very busy during the day.

>> Is he? He's like that in real life.

>> He's opening restaurants and hotels

around the world and he's a very

successful businessman.

>> No boo.

>> Is that annoying?

>> No.

>> No, you guys like dress up in costumes

and pretend to be other people and then

he's like a serious businessman.

>> He's loaded with money. Yeah, he's load.

>> Yeah, but it's like you don't have to.

You're [ __ ] Robert. while you but

while you make I mean I know people will

name

>> who are like maybe you've heard of them

>> Obama

>> Vagner Vagner

>> who haven't uh uh who took the money

they made

>> and it might not have been hundreds of

millions of dollars in fees like Leo or

or or you know whatever

>> Leo who decap um the uh No, but these

guys make a lot of money in fees

>> but then there's people I know who made

less money in fees but they invested

that money.

>> What do you mean fees? Like

>> acting fees your fee to perform.

>> Oh like SAG. Yeah.

>> Yeah. Well, yeah.

>> Oh, fees like you're you get on a movie.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> You make a movie and you get paid. You

know, you do Tom Cruz, you get $50

million to do.

>> It's the coolest job,

>> right? Well, but what I'm saying is that

the

>> you just say the words, right? And you

get $50 million.

>> No, no, no. He does a lot more than that

for $50 million.

>> Do you have Do you have Tom Cruz? I'm

just a huge fan.

>> Do you have Tom's number?

>> I have a sister's number.

>> You have a sister?

>> But if I call her,

>> who's she?

>> Who's she? Yeah.

>> She's Tom's sister.

>> Wow.

>> She runs a lot of his business.

>> He's one of my He's one of my favorites.

The thing is that those people I know

people who've taken less money, they

haven't made as much money, but they

invested it so wisely. They're rich

beyond belief. You would

>> if I told you some of them, you'd die.

And Dairo is the same way. He invests in

businesses. And

>> who has the most money out of

>> Was the most money of anybody I've ever

met in in my life.

>> I'd have to say one of the Beatles would

probably be the most wealthy people.

>> Maka. Can we call Ma?

>> Oh, no.

>> No. Why? You had a falling out with MKA.

>> No, no, no. I just I mean for me I kind

of went underground for a while when I

had my issue in New Mexico that I had to

deal with.

>> I mean MKA he's he he wrote best well

we're friends. I mean we have a lot of

music guys here.

>> This guy over here uh Jake is really

close.

>> You play you play Are you?

>> Yeah.

>> He jams.

>> Where is he?

>> Me and Ma.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> You're buddies with him

>> big time.

>> Oh. Are you being serious?

>> I mean he is he's a he's the best. He's

like my favorite. Him and Bob Dylan. You

you missed all that because you were

listening to like violins and stuff.

>> I was listening to Yeah. to Strauss.

>> You're listen.

>> Now, do you know do you like uh Bob

Dylan?

>> Oh, yeah. He's the best.

>> What do you love about Bob Dylan?

>> Uh he's

>> I go in and out on Bob Dylan.

>> Uh oh. I mean, it's every era for

different periods of your life. I went

heavy Christian uh after a terrible

breakup

>> and I was like I did the then I realized

that Yeah. Yeah. I was like it's so

nice.

>> What brand of Christianity?

>> The Bob Dylan Christian. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. There's like a

>> you were a Bob Dylan Christian.

>> Well, he had three Christian albums. And

then I was like, what? Maybe God loves

you, right? And I was like, we didn't

have that for Jews. Our God is like

Trump. He's like, if you don't respect

me, I'm going to smite you. If you make

a golden calf, like I'm going to kill

all of you. He's like very insecure.

He's like a [ __ ] But like, uh, it's

not real. None of this is real. But like

I'm like, "Oh, it's so nice that uh the

Jesus thing that God loves you so much

to let your son die, but then I snapped

out of it." How would you define

Judaism? What's your def definition?

What makes you Jewish? What's the

definition? I have a friend of mine that

gave me a great definition.

>> You do the thing. You say you do the

thing and it's boring, but like your

grandpa was bored, too. So, but you feel

like you're not going to

>> It's your turn to be bored.

>> Yeah. It's kind of nice. It's gibberish.

It's like spells. I don't know. But it's

like you don't want to be the one that

drops the ball.

>> But you raise very observant.

>> I mean, if I do it, I I I know all the

like all the words. You know the words.

I did. Yeah. I did full para ha Torah

and I I led uh uh

>> you went to you went to uh Hebrew

school.

>> We I I didn't I went to I was bar misfit

orthodox because it was free. That's why

the Yeah. My Yeah. Yeah. It was free to

go there. But um I don't know. I think

it's kind of uh it's just like that's

kind of nice. The boredom is kind of it

doesn't make sense. You don't know what

they're saying. But uh your grandpa

didn't make sense to him and that's kind

of why you know what I mean.

>> Well know I grew up Catholic so I which

is

>> well we're cousins and

>> they spoke Latin back then so it was

also gibberish but to me

>> yeah we both like like hate ourselves

and we both think that life is just

agony. We're cousins. I mean all of my

friends are either Catholic or Jewish or

black

>> Catholicism to me is about redemption.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're like you like

no matter how bad you are, you have to

see that there's a chance they'll be

redeemed for what they did.

>> Oh yeah. I stopped the Christian thing

when I realized that hell is the meanest

thing ever. Can you imagine? Forever.

Why is it And if you're a baby and you

haven't been baptized,

>> what about hell was something that was

just your hell? Like a thing you hate

like like your own personal hell.

>> But you know what I mean? I get

>> I mean it's sad. Yeah. I think that it's

just sad that people die. Wow. This is

getting pretty. It's just sad that you

have, you know, you're alive and then

it's

>> Are you afraid to die?

>> Oh, it's the scariest thing ever. Is it

really?

>> I don't understand. People are like,

"Public speaking is my biggest fear." I

was like, "What about [ __ ] dying?"

>> Exactly.

>> Forever.

>> What about things being thrown out of a

plane?

>> What about [ __ ]

>> by a narcotics?

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> You ever see those movies when they do

that?

>> What?

>> When they take the enemy and they bind

him up and then they throw him out of

the plane.

>> No.

>> You ever see that? Like in a drug movie?

>> Oh, like a like a

>> Well, they take a guy that just don't

like Pedro and they throw him out of the

plane.

>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like if they're

criminals like

>> or just the enemy.

>> Yeah. Yeah. But those guys are ready to

die, you know? They're like, you know,

they're like East might die, you know,

like it was that good acting.

>> Okay. Can we talk

>> realize, Petro, you might be killed.

>> Can we talk a little bit about your I've

been going back through your filmography

and your performances and it's just like

when you appear on a screen, it's like,

oh, it's it's my pal. It's like my old

pal and this is going to be great. I

mean, you could make a real turd

watchable. Pearl Harbor, you're like,

you make the your parts watchable. And

that's one of the shittiest movies of

all time. I mean, I'm serious. Yeah. And

it's just like I I um I watched Hun for

Red October with my dad. This is like a

a hunky leading man. And then

>> back then, yeah.

>> From from like learning uh about what

transpired afterwards, it wasn't the

perception I had of you. I I feel like

the industry has been like a

frustration,

you know, like especially when it came

to like reprising your role as Jack

Ryan.

>> Well, they wanted me to sign up with a

like a blank contract when we start when

we finish like you like you only do this

>> and you never do anything else and I had

an opportunity as I wrote in my memoir

to do the street car on Broadway which

was a very

>> that was like the opportunity for an

actor. That was it. I would never have

that opportunity again ever. My

perception was that that they they kind

of like promised you and

>> they threw me out of the plane.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> I mean, it's not bad to get replaced by

the coolest guy of all time, right?

>> Imagine if it was Ryan Denah playing

Jack Jack Ryan.

>> It's it's Han Solo. I mean, when I read

about that, I was like, it's just so

cynical. Like, it's a you're like an

artist, right? And when you talk about

performing and acting, you get so

passionate about it. I want to talk

about

>> well you realized back then what I

learned what was 89 90 the movie came

out in 90 and then in the ensuing couple

years the early 90s I learned that you

just really can't rely on anybody what

they say there so I just whenever they'd

say blah blah to them go oh that's great

I'm never counting on any of it

happening you know it's it's very tough

>> you just have to have monsters that do

it for you I have a whole team of ghouls

>> what was the genesis of this meeting

were you like Rupert Pupkin in the

basement and your mother's yelling down

the stairs

>> it is a joke it's a joke that became a

real thing yeah

>> so was a joke and your mom goes,

"Please, you're so annoying.

>> This No made fun of." No. No. Yeah. I

was the I was on a podcast uh that was

for like like I mean what guys. I mean

just idiots. I He didn't smile. And now

I've Okay. I was on a podcast for like

ugly men, right?

>> Oh, for ugly men. Yeah. Not mentally.

>> Just like the worst,

>> you know, and it was like a cult status.

It became very successful. And then one

of us,

>> what was it called?

>> It was called Come Town. We tried they

yeah anyway it's it got it got

successful. It's very I don't know I was

just there pretty much but the you know

the the one of the guys left and then uh

the other guy's idea was to make like by

far the least popular nebishy kind of

like the glasses you know allergies you

I was we all played a role

>> on the show on on

>> what's it called? Come town.

>> Yeah. So then

>> on that show, were you like a leading

man compared to them? Were they all?

>> No. No. Absolutely.

>> Moto. So sometimes I wasn't even I was

barely even there. But but uh yeah. Uh I

think we went a little bit manic and uh

publicly proclaimed we were going to

make a television show. We didn't know

what c cameras or anything. And then we

recreated the Dick Cavit shows.

>> I have an image of you in a set like

this in your basement and your mother

whatever. And you're sitting there and

there's a line you say and that line

you're like sitting there and you go

>> I'll show them.

>> Well, no. I mean, I'm not like a scary

I'm not a scary guy like that. No,

>> no, but it doesn't scare. I think it was

just like then the real guests were

coming and then I decided for the first

time to in my life at 35 to try and then

I' I've I've kind of seen myself

progress and it's uh given me a sense of

selfworth and it feels like I it feels

like I'm not like fast forwarding to

being dead and it's just I want to work.

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>> I've been like I watched the the

monologue from Glenn Gary, Glenn Ross. I

have like so many friends that went to

the revival that were like that was

[ __ ] [ __ ] They didn't have put

that coffee down.

>> Nope.

>> It was like uh cuz that was only for the

film. Did Mamemoth write that for you?

>> Yes. Not for me. He wrote it for the

film.

>> And And so like do you conceive of that

as like a a moment for you? I really

don't care in terms of like I never

really watch my own stuff and value it

in any way.

>> It's the best acting ever. I mean,

>> well, no, no, but I'm saying that I

called Matt, but I go, "You won the

Puliter Prize." Yeah.

>> For the play, why did you to feel it

necessary to add something to it? You

won the Pulitzer. He said, "I never

believed these guys were criminals. I

never believed they could commit a

crime. They didn't have a criminal

nature. So, I needed another ratchet. I

needed another turn of the screw to make

them commit a crime." And you're going

to come in, you're going to tell them,

"If you don't get this done tonight,

it's over." Yeah.

>> So he brought me in to do that and it

was really tough because I admired all

them and I had to piss in their face all

day for three days.

>> Did they Did it feel real? Like cuz

>> I thought Ed Harris was going to punch

me in the face.

>> Really? Because that's what I imagine in

that room. You're with the murderers

row, right?

>> Do do you like is there a competitive

aspect of it? Is it like you don't want

to get acted off the screen? Like did

did you bring it really because like

[ __ ] Pacino was and Jack Lemon were

like there.

>> The Jack I admire. Yeah. Well, you just

really you I mean everything you do,

you've got to have some motivation. So,

it's like I'm there with Foley. I've

said this a million times. I'm there

with Foley, who's the director, and I

said, "Oh, this is tough, man. I mean,

I'm just so mean to them." And and Foley

said to me, who just died recently, he

said, "Uh, it's like that scene in

Patton where he slaps the soldier in the

tent."

>> You call yourself a soldier. Shell

shark. And he goes, "This scene is you

call yourself a salesman." He said,

"These guys, you're doing it for their

own good. You're doing it to help them.

You're helping them." I remember sitting

there. I was like Popey after he ate the

spinach, you know what I mean? I

remember sitting there going, "All

right, let's [ __ ] go." And I'm like,

you know, I got out of the chair and I

>> Yeah.

>> was ready to kill.

>> Did they show Did they give you your

flowers? Was Pacino likewah. You were

great. You were great.

>> No, he wasn't in the scene. Yeah.

>> No, no, he wasn't in the scene. That's

right. Jack Lemon say like you

>> No, Jack Lemon didn't say a word to me.

They all did.

>> His pants probably. I would.

>> No, no, they just they just stayed in

the zone, you know? I mean, they were

all in that zone all day long. Three

days. It in my mind is a moment in like

it's feels like some of the best acting

I've ever seen in a film and you're only

you were probably on set for what two

days?

>> Yeah. Two and a half days. Yeah.

>> And you kind of like steal you steal

>> the most exciting thing and that movie

was a good example was you know the it's

the people you work with. Obviously the

actors are a big part of it but also the

crew like I've always worked with. I've

been very blessed to work with some of

the greatest cinematographers in history

and Juan Rubies and Chia who was the DP

on that film. He was like, you know,

beno's guy and he was I love him.

Anyway, Juan Ruiz Ani, he was young. I

worked with Don Mallalpine. I worked

with Tol John Tol. I worked with uh you

know um I'm forgetting now, but Bob

Richardson, the legendary Bob

Richardson. Um the one I did uh

>> is there ever a time where they're like

they don't speak English, right?

>> Yeah, you know the story.

>> What's the story?

>> Carlo De Palma.

>> Oh, of course. That's a that's kind of

>> He didn't speak English very well. We

did Woody Allen's movie. Uh,

>> how does Woody communicate with the

monster?

>> He doesn't talk to you.

>> He's like, just tell

>> they go off and mumble.

>> Just go over the Yeah.

>> You put the camera near her, closer to

her.

>> And

>> you did three Woodies.

>> I did three Woodies. Yeah.

>> Yeah. Yeah. In transitioning to like uh

being a comedic actor, which like you

have a classical training, right? you

studied at NYU and like uh

>> Strawburg,

>> but it kind of in some ways the way I

see it is like you at the TV that was

the beginning of your education.

>> That's where you learn,

>> right?

>> Watching other people

>> and it's kind of like you were picking

that was like the beginning of theater

school for you, right? And like are you

the best actor you've ever been right

now? Like is it something that evolves

over time or

>> Well, I think it's hard to you I'd

rather give a I'd rather have a smaller

role in a great film.

>> Yeah. than have a big role in a mediocre

film.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, the the key is are you making

a film with people who I said this I

said this quote

>> in a documentary I did. I said avoiding

any kind of relationship or any kind of

communication with the director and not

availing yourself of the director's

skills. I said it's like trying to avoid

the birth canal when you're being born.

>> You know, it all goes through the

director. They're making the film. So,

if you make a film with a good director,

you have an increased chance. I've made

films where we knew that if everybody

did their job perfectly every day, the

most we could hope for was mediocrity.

You know, I mean, it was that wasn't on

the page. I wanted to go to work,

>> but when I work with Marty or somebody

like that and I'm like, you know, [ __ ]

>> Uhhuh.

>> That's exciting.

>> I mean, you you were in two. You kind of

sold Departed, too.

>> You like No, you you seen sto I love

doing the Aviator because I love that

period. I love Leo in that role.

>> Oh, yeah. as one.

>> I was exactly and my and his daughter is

my neighbor on Long Island. She was

Betsy Dvki.

>> I sat with her. You Betsy Devki said to

me, "I'll never forget."

>> She got fat stacks. No. Or she's No,

she's probably big house. No.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> She's passed away, but Oh, I'm sorry.

>> She had a nice house. Sorry. May her

memory be a blessing. It

>> was some historic home. But anyway, so

trip I'm there with her and she goes,

"Do you think that uh Mr. Scorsesei

would like to have my dad's luggage in

the film?" And I go,

I don't know. I can call him and ask

him. And she he had Hallebertton

luggage, that stainless steel luggage,

beautiful luggage, all stamped with the

logo of Panama on there. And I remember

the thinking, my god, it's like,

>> sell me this [ __ ] luggage right now.

>> For a million dollars, I'll give you a

million.

>> Did you tell Marty?

>> I know. I told Marty money was like, no.

>> That sucks cuz you were trying to

impress him. You were like, Marty, I

found the real luggage of the guy.

>> You realize your research isn't to

change the script. I've had that happen.

>> That's not changing the script. You're

like going above and beyond. You're

being a good student. You're like a

>> You're trying to bring what you can.

You're trying to bring It's Martin

Square. Are there directors that you've

wanted to [ __ ] just pummel? Like

there have to some of them have to be

like manipulative [ __ ] sociopathic.

>> I've been in situations where early on I

don't even think they roll the camera.

Like you're in meetings before and the

guy's obviously not doesn't have

anything to say.

>> Like you just think differently. I'm not

I don't want to judge people and say

mean things about them, but there's like

one or two cases where I sat there and I

said to the producers, we get alone in a

room and I go, "Get somebody else."

>> I don't want to do that. I want to go

home.

>> Yeah. Because you're naturally

manipulating someone into giving a

performance, right? So, there is some

sort of

>> You got to have a good director. You got

to have a decent director. I did this

movie, The Cooler,

>> and uh Yeah. And and Wayne Kramer was

the writer director and it was like and

and uh and I just loved him. He was

really really he was into listening to

what you had to say but in the end you

defer to the fact like if you read a

script and you agree to do the film you

agree to do that script

>> you can't come in later which many

actors do and try to change things after

the fact you come in and then you say to

them let's do some alternatives we'll do

it as written

>> then let's do some improvisations but

always do it as written that you're

obligated to do

>> we just had Bill Macy who's also in that

movie and I say Bill because it's like

I'm also f he said I call him Bill it's

kind of sick

>> I made three movies with Jill H. Macy.

>> You did. Yeah. But he was the you were

nominated for the cooler.

>> I did the cooler with him. Ghost of

Mississippi and then I did a state in

Maine with with Mammoth.

>> So he to Mammoth was like his like kind

of mentor. Yes.

>> Yeah. And um the way he described his uh

process was like the least like

dickheaded way that acting has ever been

described to me, which is that there's

no character. There's just an objective.

Like it's it's you do your [ __ ] job,

right? And if you do it well,

>> that's the mammoth school. Mame wrote a

book. Yeah.

>> Like um did that rub off on you in

working with him? No. No.

>> You don't buy it. You don't buy it.

>> I work with directors, not many, but a

couple where they say to me, "Could you

do this

>> and and do this?" And I and I didn't

quite understand, but I'd always go

because of time.

>> You're part of a collaboration where

time is urgent. So I'd say to the guy,

"Sure." I go, "I'll do that right now.

Let's do another one. I'll do that." And

I go right back and do exactly what I

did before.

>> Right? I go, "How was that?"

>> So, what's your process?

>> Well, if the director is somebody who

is, this is the torture of not torture,

but the torment of how we work now is

that if there's people who are great

directors or you think they're on to

something, like Wayne, when I worked

with him, he wasn't famous.

>> But when they're on to something, you

you do what they want to do. Let them

lead you. But then with other people,

you have to be self-directing, which is

tough.

>> You have to decide, well, I think this

is what I should do. And guys will walk

up to you and go,

>> "Oh, don't do that or don't do that."

See, one thing you always do, I know

this is we're digressing, but one thing

you always try to do is how much of a

performer is the character.

>> So, in Glen Garry, that guy was a

performer. He'd gone around the New York

real estate world and beyond in the

office. Well, straighten him out. Yeah.

Motivating them. Yeah. The motivator is

their word.

>> And so, whenever you do films and things

like that, you have to wonder, is the

guy like I I always say the same tired

line, which is that Robert Duval plays

Boo Bradley and Toa Mockingbird. He

doesn't have one line. Mhm.

>> It's one of the most shattering

performances you've ever seen in your

lifetime.

>> So, all acting is physical, acting is

emotional, acting is interiority, all

these different things.

>> And you uh when you're doing something

with a director

>> and they don't get what you're doing,

it's uh it's tough.

>> You and me and especially in in Glen

Gary, Glenn Ross, it's so testosterone

driven, right? And they're so masculine

those scripts and that like tough.

>> Yeah. you're in a in a world where you

put on costumes and you pretend to be

other people, but you you're the

theatrical arts are not like there

there's a sensitivity about them, but

like

>> well, you can walk in you can walk onto

the set with uh Mammoth and and you say

to yourself, the films he's directed

that he's written have been less

successful than the scripts he wrote

that other people directed.

>> Yeah.

>> But that can't influence what you do.

You have to go in with people and always

say and think the best. I'm not just

saying this to be warm, you know? I

mean, you you go in there, you don't

want to predict failure. I've made

movies where the other actor or actress

was someone who I I didn't quite

understand what they were doing. Sucks.

And I didn't quite understand why the

director wasn't on them.

>> Who is it?

>> Uh

uh and uh the

>> Liz Lemon,

>> right? We were all

>> She's the opposite. She's the opposite.

>> She's the funniest person on earth.

>> Well, she's such a unique person, you

know, cuz she's so funny in that way. I

mean, you realize that when I worked

with them, I wasn't funny when I worked

with them.

>> Shut the [ __ ] up.

>> Well, no, no, but I'm being I mean, I've

done some SNL, but but the point is

this. I But I really mean this.

>> I learned not to be funny, but I learned

what was funny. A lot of things you see

now on TV. I mean, a ton of it is more

cute than funny. And and and Tina was

funny. I mean, they'd hand me scripts.

We do a Wednesday read through and

they'd hand us the script on a Wednesday

morning and I read it in the makeup

chair. And then we'd go up to a lunch

conference room which had uh cameras to

beam us to Burbank for the executives in

California to watch the read through at

12:00 noon.

>> And we'd be and they'd hand me the

script. I read I go see uh Robert

Carlock for the lunch read through. And

I look I go, "Are you [ __ ] kidding

me?

>> You want me to do you out of your mind?

You want me to do this?" Which was I was

like a gay Mexican soap opera star

>> playing against myself doing the Patty

Duke thing.

>> And he's like and Carllock always said

the same thing. He said, "It's a big

swing. It's a big swing.

>> Yeah.

>> But we know you could. We have faith in

you. We think

>> it's fun too, right?

>> It was there was I never had more fun in

my life.

>> The scene that there's a particular

scene which I think your performance is

a master class in like comedic acting,

but it's the scene where you take Tracy

to to meet the NBC therapist and you

play you play like 12 different

characters.

>> I bust up a shipper rope.

>> Yeah.

>> And he starts engaging with a line.

>> It's it's just it is like a perfect

scene. I I actually just this morning

remembered another scene of yours which

I literally made me pee my pants when I

was a kid. We're like younger, but in a

long came Paulie when you're pissing

next to Ben Stiller and then you like

you tenderly like squeeze his earlo

>> and then you start massaging his like

after you've been pissing

>> and you're his boss of course. It's it's

just um

>> I knew she was a dime store who the

moment I laid eyes on. Dude, I Who had

the vision that like who knew you were

funny? Because you're going to do this

like I I'm not funny at all. I'm just an

actor. But like was it Lord? Like did

>> I did SNL the first time and what I

learned was unless you're Stallone or

Schwarzenegger where they're going to

make up fun of your persona,

>> they're not going to do that. You got to

become one of the company and just pull

your pants down and make an ass of

yourself.

>> Is it more fun?

>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. No, I loved SNL because

you would never

>> There's things you do that not all of

it, but there were things you would do

that you would never do anywhere else.

Yeah.

>> To have that experience, you had to do

that show.

>> Like little C canteen boy.

>> That's

>> I don't think it was Little Canteen Boy.

>> What is it?

>> I think it was strapping Canteen.

>> Oh, that was what it was.

>> Oh, no. No. I was No, I was the scout

master. He was You're right. Uh,

>> you know, we used to live in a [ __ ]

Sandler.

>> Better. Yeah. Yeah.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Sandler.

>> They got more complaints about that

sketch than any sketch.

>> It was pretty funny. Honestly, do do you

ever fear that like your perception as a

celebrity might overshadow like the very

reason why you're a celebrity? Well,

yeah. You have to be very careful. I

tell people all the time who are young,

I'm like, don't

>> see the people who are the biggest

stars, you know, the least about them.

>> Yeah.

>> And they control that.

>> I would be a ghost.

>> Yeah. Because if you go out, if you if

if they see you doing things in public

and it's not appealing or attractive,

it's not it's not going to help you.

Like I I mean, I felt like if guys were

>> 75 ft away with a long lens and they

took a picture, I never cared. It was

when they got up close and almost hit my

wife in the teeth with the lens of their

camera. I mean, I would get

>> That's when I got Yeah, I did get I

mean, I took the bait more than once,

>> but it's not the bait. They're [ __ ]

hitting your wife in the face with a

camera.

>> Almost.

>> Was the first time you got paparazzi

like kind of cool? Were you like, "Dude,

I must be sexy."

>> I hated them from day one.

>> You hated them day one.

>> Then there was an Italian guy following

you around. He's like Bella Bella. You

know, I don't know what they're like.

I've never gotten one.

>> Well, here it's Well, here it's gone

from like a You see, you're too young to

remember. Like here it's gone from like

a very very obscure corner of

>> the entertainment space as a room. They

were off in a little corner and all this

kind of salacious gossipy stuff was very

very very like third or fourth tier

know about people's lives

>> and now it's it's it's an industry and

now they're going to going on and making

a fool of famous wealthy sports figures,

music figures, entertainers or whatever,

actors, businessmen, musk, whoever,

politicians to humiliate them and

embarrass them publicly. That's a huge

industry now. A very big industry. So

they're out there with nets

>> trying to catch something.

>> I I feel like um I'm lucky that I'm not

a punching guy. I'm more of a like I'll

psychologically just play the long game.

>> Yeah. You stare at them.

>> Do you think that you were characterized

as a as like a like a bully,

>> a tabloid fixture,

>> but as a bully? I bullied these

photographers. I went up to one

>> guys try to take a picture of your

newborn child.

>> Well, one guy walks up. He we're coming

out of our building and we're walking

down the block and he's walking

backwards and he's really big. He's like

6'4. He's tall. He's a big guy, you

know. I mean, and he doesn't pay

attention. He trips and falls and sits

on a baby in a stroller. What's behind

him?

>> Your baby?

>> No. No. Somebody else. A woman's coming

this way. And he's going backwards and

he falls onto the and sits on the baby

in the stroller.

>> And I thought to myself,

>> well, I won't say what I thought.

>> You're like, it's my fault.

>> You're like, I'm a I'm a really

>> We should just chop him up now. right

here.

>> I wanted to mention something to you

that I I've felt and I've been it's kind

of like been dawned on me since I was

like doing the research uh for you and

it it's going back to what I said is

like that your celebrity sometimes uh

can has overshadowed kind of

>> by reputation is what you mean. You use

the word celebrity

>> or it's public life, right? Um something

I've picked up on is like I I watched

your reality show, right? And um

>> why?

>> Because like um I was being thorough,

but like it really dawn it. The first

thought I had was like, is this what you

have to do these days? Like in in a

moment of extreme like uh personal

crisis like

>> I'm I'm weeping in a in a conference

room with some publicists and I go,

"What can I do to clean up this mess?"

And they go, "You got to have seven

kids."

>> Is it? But but like what I'm saying is

is like for me personally um I've I've

like I'm not into like celebrity gossip

but when I heard about what happened

right it didn't sound real to me where

right in New Mexico it didn't sound like

a real thing that happened in the real

world. I think we probably made jokes uh

about it like it didn't dawn on me uh

until I was doing research for the show

and I I really felt like um it would be

something that you would carry for the

rest of your life and uh it just uh it

kind of dawned on me that like people

don't perceive uh public figures as real

human beings perhaps. I think that in

that case among among countless things I

could say was the idea that uh when my

case imploded and was over and it was

over not because of a statement of a

jury or the cleverness of my lawyers the

judge ended the trial thrown out

>> the judge terminated the trial. She

thought this is enough of this is just

insane. And when that happened,

a friend of mine, a woman who's an

attorney, very famous attorney, she said

to me, uh, that what bothered her was,

um, she said, "Once they couldn't get

you, it was over."

>> The case didn't continue. They're not

out there looking for the guy that

brought the bullets onto this. They're

not doing that once they attempted to to

frame you and they couldn't do it, it

ended. Which that should be of grave

concern to everybody that lives in that

community that it just imploded because

they didn't succeed at their other

>> certainly. But beyond that, like um I

I've I looked at like the way that it's

discussed in popular discourse and on

the internet. Like I looked at Reddit

and

>> Well, Reddit's bad.

>> It's bad, but it's it seems like

>> it's ugly.

>> People don't process it in a way that um

this is clearly something that is not

someone someone's fault. Instead, they

kind of in a very unfair way blame to

you. No, it's not funny. Funny is like

at least like

>> Well, a lot of it they try. They think

it's funny.

funny is at least like ironic. I think

people that genuinely assign blame for

something that's like literally, you

know, that you'll carry for the rest of

your life. And it it really upset me,

especially because I've been like

revisiting all your work that like this

that this thing could overshadow like

what is so beloved about you.

>> Well, I mean, on one hand, you say to

yourself uh you say carry for the rest

of your life. I don't really carry

anything for the rest of my life.

Meaning, do I feel overwhelmed and and

and pained by the suffering and the the

tragedy of what happened? Yes. But do I

feel responsible? No. No.

>> Because what happened was we remember

>> they decided to leaprog over or pull

vault over the whole idea that in the

previous several days we were doing the

film. We did a protocol that we did the

same thing and nobody came up to me

>> in my shooting the film. But I just want

to say because you did bring it up. One,

two, three, four, five days. No one came

up to me and said, "Hey, let's do it

this way." It was only after the fact

that they said, "Oh, we're supposed to

have do it this way." But let me just

close.

>> I don't want to,

>> but I want to end on a positive note.

But let me just say this, which is that

having my kids

>> and having all these children, I'm 67

years old. I got a three-year-old baby.

>> So, I got a lot of kids at home, little

kids, and they saved my life. And I'm

sure the same is true with you, which is

that you get to the point where I mean

I'm older now, but when you get to the

point where you think less about where

you get love than where you give love.

One of the more frustrating and even

painful things in life is you have

nobody to give your love to. You might

have a lot of love to give in your heart

to people. Your parents are gone, what

have you.

>> And with my kids, it's like I have a lot