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>> Thank you very much for being here. I'm

really excited to talk to you. Uh,

obviously there's been an amazing amount

of interest and controversy because of

your work. Uh, we should explain to

everybody right off the bat what this is

about. You are the man that was at the

head of this

research that is looking at structures

that are underneath the bottom of the

pyramid. And uh incredibly

controversial, very fascinating, and if

it's accurate, it essentially rewrites

all of human history.

>> Yes. Uh thank you for this invitation.

And uh yes the group is composed by

Colorado Malanga which is the head of

the group and the uh dean professor of

chemistry at University of Pisa.

>> Could you explain your background please

so people understand? Yeah

>> yes my background is uh this I am a

telecommunication engineering. I

graduate at the university.

>> What is that word again? Say it again.

>> Telecommunication engineer.

>> Telecommunications engineer. Okay. It's

like your your English is excellent but

the Italian accent although fabulous

sometimes it's difficult to translate.

>> Thank you very much Joe. I'm sorry yes

that I'm not mother tongue of English

but

>> still much better than my Italian.

>> Okay, thank you.

>> Yes, I graduated myself in university at

the University of Leche south of Italy.

very nice university and uh it it was it

is has the name of a famous mathematic

mathematic

Italian which is any deeo

de Georgie um

was living in the era then John

was living also and they uh were they

were one against to the other and Uh

they were they was both um studying the

19 Hilbert pro problem and John um any

de Georgie solved this pro this problem

one week before John Nash.

>> Ah interesting John Nash who from the

famous movie a brilliant mind with

Russell Crow.

>> Yes.

>> Yeah.

>> So uh then I performed my PhD at

Lasapenza in Rome

uh and now I'm here. And how did you get

involved in this this discovery?

>> Yes. Uh I worked uh on radar and

synthetic radar for a lot of time. Um

radar

>> for the Italian military. Right. Some

work.

>> Yes. Yes. Some

>> which you can't really talk about. No.

>> Right. Erh

and uh I was um

involved in some research where um

together with uh the Italian research

council of Bari always south of Italy.

Uh we we was testing some special

processing that were able were able to

to to perform something special. And so

>> this is

>> so this top secret research that you

work on for the Italian government led

you to try this stuff out try this

technology out and this is satellite

based technology correct and it's a

radio tomography

>> yes it is something in my personal

opinion very simple uh the radar is

installed on board on the satellite the

satellite flies at in the space uh at

distance of 600 kilometers at 7

kilometers/ second in velocity. So while

uh it flies along the orbit, it is um

able to catch snapshots of the earth.

The snapshots has to be focused and this

focusing procedure let's say it in the

azimut I take it easy in the azimut

direction is done by sound by the

processing of sound because it is

involved at the so-called Doppler

frequency

uh you know Joe when uh you hear noises

that are approaching to you the this

noise will rise the frequency because it

the the target has a velocity a posity

the velocity with respect to U and so

the frequency is rised up and this

procedure uh allow us to estimate or to

to grab let's say the um um vibration

information that is always present at

the surface of the earth in terms of a

vanishment waves that are present on the

surface of the earth. So this vi

vibration which is mechanical vibration

uh carries inside of this the the the

information that is located underground

and so we did this.

>> And was it a specific idea? Was it the

idea specifically to look under the

pyramids or was it something that was

discovered accidentally?

>> Okay. Yes. Uh once uh we discovered I we

discovered this uh this method

uh it was a coincidence that I knew

Colorado Malanga and at that time I

speak I am we are in 2018 he was

studying the pyramids and so we were

talking about uh something that uh if if

there was some methods able to scan

inside the pyramids because he needed

some information to to to conclude the

research that he was doing. And so uh I

proposed him to use my technique and uh

we started to work together and so we

focused in that time on the pyramids

>> and when was this when was the first

scans?

>> Uh yes in 2019. in 2019. And when you

got the data back,

>> did you immediately get the data that

you're showing today where you see the

columns with the coils around it?

>> Okay. Uh in let's say that this research

is can be divided by two. The first one

1.0 uh we were concentrating research on

the Kunum Kufu pyramid, the Kaops

pyramid to watch inside the pyramid. And

so we have uh detailed tailored our

processing to watch only inside the

pyramids because that pyramid only one

pyramid because we were

uh doing that kind of research. Then

once we uh discovered things in 2020, we

published the peerreview paper and uh we

gave uh public the results that we found

in inside the kum kum kufu pyramid. We

decided to expand our um research in all

the the Jiza plateau.

>> Can I stop you there? The when you

looked so we know quite a bit about the

kufu pyramid and what the chambers are

inside of it. Did this technology

accurately describe the pyramid itself

and the insides of it, the chambers that

we know exist?

>> Absolutely. Yes. Because we have

detected this uh multi-layer structure

that is inside the Kung Kufu pyramid,

the so-called Zed. We have discovered it

uh uh very well from the space and it is

located inside the pyramid. And also we

discovered it in the new we no we

discovered it we we um uh we gave an

image also of the other known structures

like the gr the grand gallery

>> the grand gallery

>> the grand gallery and then also the

queen's chamber and the king's chamber

also so

>> and accurate in terms of size and

dimension

>> and also position and location. Okay. So

when did you decide to focus below the

pyramid?

>> Yes. uh we decided to focus below the

pyramid. Uh because we uh we were our

intention was to expand our um research

and then also thanks to the third

component of the research group which is

Armando May. Uh he suggest us to expand

our research and scan all the Giza

plateau. And so what what date was it

that you discovered these immense

columns with the coils around it and all

those structures that are underneath the

pyramid? Yes, in the second part of of

our research, we uh started focusing our

scans on the Kraer pyramid and uh like

Kunum Kufu and then we adjust our

algorithms to go deeper. And so when we

did this uh

very nice things

be began to to appear on our results.

What what did you feel when you first

saw those images that do appear to be

immense columns? Uh I believe they're uh

the diameter is 20 m

>> 20 minutes.

>> So they're huge, enormous columns.

>> Yes.

>> What what what went through your mind?

>> Skepticism.

>> Skepticism. I told for uh also Colorado

uh was with me because uh

we had those results for uh in our um

desk without uh disclosure or anything

for 6 months because my my opinion was

that was not real. Um I uh I did I

was thinking that maybe it was noise or

some artifacts due due by our uh

processing procedures.

>> Did give you pause at all that they were

so uniform that these columns were in

very specific places and that they they

lined up there was a uniform gap in

between them.

>> Yes. And uh uh why we disclosure this?

because we started to use also other

satellites and uh once we uh at at the

beginning we were using only the Italian

uh satellite system that is it is cosmos

kimemed and cosmos kimemed second

generation it's very good very precise

but uh we wanted to shift our research

using also other satellites because Joe

in research when we have diversity

diversity is a good thing because it

confirms other things that we uh were uh

searching we were searching confirmation

confirmation. So once we had the same

results while we were we was using uh

American satellites called the Capella

space and and also other satellites

having always the same results. We

decided to disclosure.

>> How many different scans have been done

on this area? Two or 300. Two. More than

200.

>> More than 200. And all with uniform

results.

>> Yes.

>> Wow.

>> Yes.

>> There's a lot of resistance to this and

it's from the usual characters and it's

from people that I would characterize as

gatekeepers of archaeological

information. And um unfortunately they

are not willing to approach this with an

open mind. And you see this skepticism

that just seems to me to be confirmation

bias. They they want this to not be true

regardless of the sheer number of scans

and the uniformity of the results of

these scans. And also the fact that this

stuff has been proven to work on other

things like didn't you guys use this

exact technology to get the exact

dimensions of a particle collider that

you have?

>> Yes. Yes, we have a particle collider

where I have born in Lula which is

located in the center of Italy. At the

center of Italy

there is a huge mountain called Grand

Saso the Grand Saso Italia which is uh

has a maximum altitude of about 3,000 m

for being precise 2993 m. And so um

there there is a a tunnel very very long

tunnel about uh 11 12 kilometers and in

the core of this mountain there is a

particle collider there is a laboratory

let's say like that

>> and this technology

got the exact dimensions of this

particle collider that's deep in this

mountain.

>> Yes at

1.4 kilometers with respect to the top.

>> Wow. Yeah.

>> Okay. So, we know it's accurate. We know

it works. What do you think it I mean,

other than what I said that it's

gatekeepers of archaeological

information? It's people that don't want

to admit that there's perhaps a quite a

bit bigger mystery than just the

pyramids themselves. What What is What

do you think it is that is causing this

resistance?

>> Personally, it's true. We found a lot of

resistance. Yes, it's true. But

personally, I don't know why. Erh, I can

say something uh regarding to my

personal opinion.

Uh

Joe, it is something that maybe is too

big, too huge to

to be disclosured like that today. I

don't know why

>> it's confusing to people because it's

it's essentially

paradigm shattering because the pyramids

themselves are absolutely spectacular.

The Great Pyramid is 2,300,000

stones. The the alignment is to perfect

true now, true north, south, east, and

west. It's a really incredible

accomplishment. Whoever built it and

when they built it, it's just undeniably

fascinating that this was done at the

the very least 25,500 BC, probably even

older than that. We really don't know.

>> But that alone is spectacular. But then

when you add the findings that you have,

it just makes everybody go, "We don't

know anything. We really don't. We we

know that these things exist, but their

purpose has always been speculative. The

speculation was that it is some sort of

a tomb, but that doesn't make any sense

because there's there's no hieroglyphs

inside of it. It doesn't seem like a

tomb. Doesn't look like a tomb." And I'm

sure you're aware of Christopher Dunn's

work.

>> Yes. Yes. which you know he's an

engineer and he said it it appears that

this thing is some sort of a mechanical

thing and that it's probably designed to

generate some kind of power. Yeah. Uh

yes in this uh in this context I have

spoke a lot with Christopher Dan and uh

in in uh um I like a lot his theory and

uh it it makes sense and um and so this

discoveries matches a lot with his uh

with his and also to other scientists

that makes make recast the uh effective

purpose of the pyramid not to to be

tombs. Today we are sure we are sure or

of one thing that the pyramids are not

tombs. They're not tombs. And what is

truly spectacular is that if if this

data is accurate, those immense

structures that have baffled mankind

forever are just the tip of the iceberg.

>> Yes.

>> That's just the top.

>> Yes.

>> And underneath it,

>> you have these immense structures that

we have not yet fully explored. But you

have data that shows that. Let's let's

look at the images. Let's pull up some

of the images so people can see what

we're talking about. Cuz once you see

it, you mind just goes, "Okay, what are

we even talking about?" Like,

>> what was this civilization?

When did it exist? And what kind of

technology would allow them to not just

construct the pyramids, which is

absolutely baffling, but if this

structure that is underneath the

pyramids is accurately described by your

work, we're looking at something that it

it is going to have to change our entire

perspective on the history of humanity.

Yes, I agree with you Joe because what

we found it is something that is has

been confirmed by by our measurements

and at the moment I suppose that our

measurements are the only are the only

data that we have because there aren't

other other data. So

uh what we are uh observing we are we

are observing principally vertical

structure. This vertical structures has

a a pattern a regular pattern and this

regular pattern is uh um uh constituted

by a so-called spiral nature. I found

this and

>> okay so what are we looking at here?

These are

>> that's the right one.

>> Yes.

>> Yeah. Okay.

>> Yes. That is the cafrey pyramid. And you

see Joe at the top of the tomography.

The tomography is on the x. Uh so the

horizontal dimension we have the space.

Okay.

>> Space adjust the range

>> and on the vertical we have the depth.

>> Okay.

>> Okay. On the top we have the um uh the

the the pyramid. You see you see the

pyramid on the top. And while you go

down, you are observing the structures

that are going down. And look, you have

the spiral nature of the of the of the

structures.

>> Okay, this is not the clearest image

that I've seen. So, what are Let me see

some other images.

>> Um,

>> because this is just one, right?

>> I know. That's what this was from his

presentation and I didn't know where to

get the best from it.

>> Back up one. So

>> go go go. Okay. Again

we have a lot of images here that that

is requesting all the uh the research

that we have done together.

>> So the images that are going around

online that people have seen are these

3D replica. Pull up some more of those.

>> Yeah. Get them off the web.

>> Okay. Um some of the images online are

recreations of what it is observed and

what you believe this could look like

underneath. Correct.

>> Uh we have performed measurements and

they are sound measurements that are

that has been picked up from the surface

of the earth by satellites. So they are

very precise and they are coherent. A

coherent it means that contains a lot of

information. So it is uh characterized

to have high entropy and so when we

perform the so-called tomographic

inversion we can see what there is

underneath.

>> Okay. So this is a recreation of what

you believe it looks like.

>> Yes.

>> And how are you getting that from the

image that's below that?

>> Okay.

>> So the image is just one aspect of the

data. Correct. Yes,

the imag

>> this this this multicolored

>> image. Okay, here we are observing

inside the Cafra pyramid and inside the

Cafra pyramid uh we are observing those

structure there. The the those are

inside the Cafra pyramid

>> and the image above

>> yes

>> that is an artist recreation of what you

think it looks like. Now, how did you

make that determination that that's what

it looks like?

>> Okay. Um

uh the uh 3D model has been has been um

retrived not um observing just only one

result but observing a lot of results.

So putting on a table all the results

that we have we were able to retrive so

to facilitate people to read our

measurements. Okay. So observing the

results we were able to uh determine the

spirals and the uh structures that are

located starting from the base of the

caf pyramid going down.

>> I've seen other images of the scans that

are more convincing than the one that's

below. So, let's see if we can find some

of those.

What are they? What else do you have

here?

>> Yes, these are all images that are

related to the first uh

>> So, this is just an article that's in

the news.

>> Okay.

>> Yeah, I just I mean, I even went here. I

>> um what is like where's a a good place

to get the best versions of these

images? Like that right there. Okay.

>> It's just kind of

>> Okay. What is this? Okay. Uh here we are

watching a wide area of of our

tomographies. Look and we see the

structures that are going down.

>> Yes. This is much clearer.

>> Yes.

>> Okay. And

>> and below the below the structure at the

end of the structures there are huge

chambers but they are really huge

approximately having a uh a width and

the length and the height of 80 80 m. So

80 meter structures that are below all

of this.

>> Yes.

>> So almost the size of a football field

below all this. That is some sort of a

chamber.

>> Yeah.

>> And um see see if you can find some

other images, Jamie.

So the coils,

how did you determine that there was

coils? Is it just because of the gaps

that you see in the imagery? whether

they come in this uniform pattern

pattern that I I have

two or three slides on my presentation

where we find the coils.

>> Okay, let's see if we can find those

slides.

>> You know which you know which slide

maybe

>> if you go down please. Yeah. Uh wait a

minute.

Okay. Okay. Here. Okay. Here we can

observe a regular pattern. So not uh not

coils. And we and we go we go down

please. Okay. Regular pattern. And the

coils are beginning to be seen there on

the third image

>> here. Regular pattern. Go down please.

And here. This is in my personal opinion

uh the fourth image uh from the uh left

to the right. The fifth image. One, two,

three. Four. The fourth image. I'm

sorry. where you have a core at the at

the center of the the the coil at the at

the center of the the structure and then

we have

a something that spirals down.

>> So has anybody speculated about what

this could possibly be like what these

coils are?

>> Yes. erh I spoke with uh uh two

independent with let's say with some

independent researchers and uh uh

especially with Christopher Dan and uh

um

and also uh I spoke also with Jeffrey

that uh is uh uh considering also the

Giza power plant like a chemical reactor

or something like that. So we have on

one side uh

uh uh scientists that say okay it can be

something related to electricity or or

we have something related to chemical

chemicals or other things in my personal

opinion me I can see anything I can say

anything because I just measured what

there is there so it is not my how you

say my my job to do this my job is okay

here we have the measurements and now we

have to see what there is inside my in

my personal opinion this is the right um

time

to say okay let's go be let's go there

and see what there is

>> let's start digging

>> yes

>> yeah um pull up some more images please

Jamie um so

>> yes this is very important if you want I

can I can tell you about this

>> okay because It is uh the very important

u project research project that uh I am

working now and it is something that if

could be possible we can go there and

without digging anything we can go

below. Why? Because uh belonging between

the Sphinx and the Cafra pyramid, there

are some shafts. And there there are the

photos of the shafts where we can go in

Sidto and we can uh physically go there

and see and watch those shafts.

Currently the shafts are

blocked by debris and there is also

rubbish inside. So we uh I performed I

performed a lot of scans at at those

shafts and you see jaw the sha the the

shafts goes down down down down down and

they reach

chambers that are below

>> and that is the doc doppler tomography

readings. Yes.

>> So these shafts go down. How far do they

go down?

>> Yes, they go down approximately 600 m.

>> 600 m. Wow. Yes.

>> So 600 m down and then they reach a

chamber.

>> Yes.

>> What is the conventional explanation for

these shafts? Is there one

>> like what is what what do current

archaeologists what does academia what

do they think these things are? Leave

that right there for a second.

>> Yes. Yes. This is the complete 3D model

that me and Colorado did. And uh so to

uh observe all the structures that we

have find that we found um

evaluating

the tomographies that we have done on

the Jiza plateau.

>> So it's not just under the great

pyramid, it's under all three pyramids

>> and also the Sphinx.

>> And also the Sphinx.

>> Yes.

>> And they all seem to go do they go down

to a uniform depth? Erh, we found at the

moment the same depth. Yes.

>> And they all have chambers at the

bottom.

>> Yes. Absolutely. Yes. And that's the the

the in my personal opinion my the nice

thing that uh that we are dealing at the

end of the structures of these tubes

that are going down. There are um huge

uh chambers.

>> How huge? Uh, as I told you before, 80 m

times 80 m and times 80 m of height.

>> And that's uniform underneath all the

pyramids. It's the same dimensions.

>> Yes.

>> Wow.

>> When you look at it like this, when you

see your 3D recreation of the site, it's

stunning.

>> Yeah.

>> Because it just it just makes you think

like, what is this?

I mean, I can understand the skepticism

and I can understand the resistance to

this that modern academics have because

this throws a giant monkey wrench into

everything.

This make makes everything we know about

that area thrown into question.

Because if this is true, like I said,

this this rewrites history because

you're dealing with an advanced

civilization that is demonstrabably more

advanced than us.

Yes. Because uh they were able to

to build very precise things, but not at

the surface of the earth below.

>> Well, they even built a lot of precise

things that confuse us.

One of the things that Christopher Dunn

gave me is this. It's a the recreation

of the vase of one of the many voses

that they have that is

>> accurate in its the the way it was made.

>> Yeah.

>> Down to

god, what was the number? A thousandth

of a human hair, something crazy like

that. like much less than a human hair

in the diameter, in the uniformity of

it, in the fact that it was carved out

of this incredibly hard stone at a time

where there was no metal alloys. They,

you know, there supposedly had copper

tools. No one understands it. No one

knows how they did it. And it has

handles on it, so it couldn't have even

been turned on a lathe.

Yes. And also if we go inside the

pyramids inside and also outside the

pyramids we can observe that the

measurements are very precise. The the

chambers are constituted by flat walls.

We don't have inscriptions

uh and the dimensions are all related to

the constants to the major constants of

universe.

>> Right? They're all aligned to the

constellations. There's a lot of like

very strange calculations that they were

able to make like pathways where the sun

during the solar equinox

>> passes right through. It's a fascinating

place.

>> Yes.

>> What when you

started acquiring this data and you

started accumulating it and then started

going over it with experts, what did

that feel like to you when you're when

you realizing, oh, this is real?

>> Yes.

It was something that uh was very

very nice for me because

because uh when we disc the thing was um

I

was saying always to Gor

shall we disclosure this or not?

I think for for now not for now not but

then the results were always the same.

So we decided to to disclose this uh

this

>> how long did you sit on it before you

decided to disclose it?

>> One year.

>> One year. So for that one year, how

conflicted were you? You must have been

walking around like I have the biggest

secret on earth.

>> Yes.

>> How weird was that?

Only two person knew this.

>> That's crazy.

That's crazy. two people having one of

the biggest secrets on earth

>> that's backed by data. I mean it's not

it's not even like you know someone told

you something like you have

extraordinary data due to fascinating

modern technology that indicates that

there's these paradigm shifting

structures.

>> Yeah. And uh I I tell you Joe, I I would

like to go there and see what there is

in person.

>> Yes.

>> Because it's it's now time. I think

>> is there resistance from Egypt and the

people that are in control of that area

or are they fascinated by it?

>> I tell you Joe, I didn't f find a lot of

resistance. There is I found a lot of

resistance in the internet. Yes. A lot

of the banking a lot of people that no

it's not true it's not true

>> a lot of people that continues

were continuing to say no rather can

penetrate the earth for one kilometer 4

and they didn't know or they they they

purposely not saying this that we are

not penetrating anything because we are

just grabbing the entropy that is on the

surface of the earth and with with with

that information we are retriving

tomographies. It's something new that I

invented but it works because we have

benchmarks that demonstrates the

effectiveness of the method and it's

this is 100%.

>> And there's also been some criticism

that the patents have expired but that's

because you have new patents on better

stuff.

>> Yes. Now Jo under NDA. So h I uh we just

uh I think I I can say something about

the second patent because just yesterday

we filed the patent in USA.

>> Nice.

>> Yes.

>> Wow. Um have any academics reached out

to you in support that are interested in

this and would like to explore this

further?

>> Yes. Yes. Erh I I tell you this there

are uh companies uh related to mining

and uh uh crude oil extraction and then

also water. Uh Joe today we are living a

particular time because water is very

important. Uh we are in a so-called

water emergency in all the world. So for

me the first thing that we have to do is

to scan

uh the earth and uh uh to fetch to to

find to try and find other uh let's say

uh opportunity to ext extract not salty

water because it's very important.

>> So you'll be using this technology for

that as well.

>> We uh for now not but I'm thinking to do

it.

>> Well it makes sense. I mean, if it can

detect this, it should be able to detect

that as well. And that will be if and

it's and it also if it's accurate, that

will also help garner support. Yes. For

this this exploration of whatever is

under there.

>> Yeah. And uh so uh we we are receiving a

lot of uh uh calls from uh companies

that want to work with me. And so let's

see what what we can do. And so this is

all companies that have reached out

after you released the results

underneath the pyramids.

>> Uh the most of them are calling me

recently,

>> right? So they've heard about

>> relatively recently. Yes.

>> Well, that's capitalism, right? They

they say, "Oh, we can make money off of

this."

>> Yes.

>> Yeah. Well, that's good. That gets

people interested. It gets people

involved in this.

>> And so we have also philanthrop

philanthropic project. We are opening a

um a foundation in Malta. Uh we we are

realizing it in uh two weeks and uh we

we will have a foundation in Malta and

with the with that foundation we can

operate also philanthropically for the

the Giza plateau and other uh and other

uh ancient megalytics that are located

in all the world. We have a plan to scan

everything

>> really. What is next?

Uh maybe we we can see uh Pumapo or

other sites.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Go back.

>> Go back. Yes.

>> Have you looked at the labyrinths

underneath uh the the ones that were

described by Herododus that Ben Van

Kirkwick has been talking about and his

Uncharted exchange

atrium with a 40 meter metallic object

that's the shape of a tic tac in there.

>> Yes. They asked me to do it and we will

do it.

>> Yeah, you have to do that.

>> I I tell you Joe the processing is very

nice but requests a lot of calculations.

So uh it is time consuming. So at the

moment at the moment uh we have some

computers that are dedicated on JA and

other project that we are doing and in

the future maybe we will have other um

other machines that uh can work to to do

other things but we will do it. We we

need time but we will do it. Now, are

you absolutely convinced that this data

is accurate or have any of the

criticisms of any of the people that are

trying to debunk it? Have has any of

that resonated with you and rang true?

Is there any validity to any of the

criticisms?

>> Radar is only precise. The nice thing

that has radar is the precision

and especially from space because space

it is a very silent environment. you

don't have noise something the the

platform is very stable. So when you

transmit electromagnetic waves

>> they return back with absolutely precise

with absolute precision

>> and it's recreated over and over again

in these 200 plus scans that you've done

with various different satellites.

Correct. Not just one so that one could

have errors.

>> Yeah.

>> So you're convinced?

>> I'm convinced 100% because

>> wow I did the I invented the method.

Yes, I know. But uh I tell you that uh I

am happy if somebody can replicate

things. So if other research groups can

replicate the things that I'm showing, I

am happy.

>> Well, you got there first. Yeah. So no

matter what

>> I mean you if this is correct you will

go down in history as one of the most

important figures in archaeology because

if you are

>> you're welcome but I it's just fact if

what you're saying is true and we're

just recently discovering this in the

21st century. I mean that's absolutely

mindbending.

>> Uh thank you for this. Uh yes I I am

happy for uh for being in this uh but uh

not al not not only me other people

helping me to to do my work. Yes.

>> Oh of sure of course a lot of people

>> and in principal my family.

>> Yeah. um this these structures and this

this whole area if this turns out to be

something that you don't find just at

the Giza plateau but around other parts

of Egypt. I mean there's always been a

lot of speculation as to whether or not

a civilization existed in subsaharan

Africa an advanced civilization that in

the area are not now sand you could

probably do that same sort of research

there as well.

>> Yes. Yes. I I agree with this and uh we

will do it. Yes.

>> Wow. What is life like for you now

having this exposed and now you know

having this on the internet and all the

speculation and all this excitement?

What has that been like for you?

>> Yes, I am not very used uh on all this

exposure in on the internet. Uh

it is something that I have to uh get

used of this. Yes.

My my life is simple, Joe. I I live in

Italy and uh but uh um

now I repeat this uh it is time to go

ahead and go on the uh Jiza plateau and

in person I I wish to see the effective

structure how they are and the purpose

of the of all the plateau what it is And

is there plans to do that in person to

do some sort of an excavation?

>> Yes. Um I wrote a project proposal which

is a research and also not research a

proposal and uh is now um

we we are uh our intention is to submit

this proposal at the Egyptian

authorities.

If you want I can explain you this

proposal

>> please. Um we are involving University

of Ferrara

um

principal scientist professor Savakaro

Italian professor in she's a geologist

um

and other uh and other governmental

Italian governmental uh in institutions

that are very clever to do scans in sidu

scans. So we are not using my my

technique. We use the state-of-the-art

technique that it is recognized by

science today.

And

uh our uh intention is to

uh concentrate the efforts on those

shafts that I that I showed you that we

we we have seen because we are we are

not 90 99% convinced that or sure that

those those are natural entrance into

the the uh the structures that are below

that are located below because we have

the vertical structures and

you saw on the on the tomographies you

have also horizontal connections.

>> So there's corridors.

>> Yes, you have.

>> And how large are these corridors?

>> Uh

about uh they they are tall about 3 m

tall.

>> Okay.

>> So about 9 ft tall.

>> Yes. Yes. that can that will uh using

these corridors you uh will arrive

directly inside the the the coils that

we are that we are uh uh um visualizing

uh that we v visualize uh before.

>> So there's passages and shafts and these

uh enormous

ways that they can go back and forth in

between these various structures. The

thing that we have to do now is to clean

those shafts. We have to do uh cleaning

because now they are um

>> sand debris.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> And um

is there a timeline on when you would

like to start cleaning these shafts and

start doing this kind of stuff?

>> Yes, it depends when we submit the

project. The project is ready. Uh I know

uh people that uh are living in uh in um

uh in Egypt that when we are ready we

can submit the project proposal then we

are we are at uh when the government if

if approved the project we can start.

>> Now I would imagine that something like

this something at this scale would

require enormous funding.

>> Yeah.

>> And how do you uh how do you hope to

acquire that? We we can make um we can

say uh people that this this work is not

for me but is for humans. And so people

uh we we we ask people to help us in uh

getting money to perform the work. We

have to ask people. Have you reached out

to any like Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk type

people that have tons of money that

might be interested in doing something

like this?

>> I don't know them, Joe.

>> You don't know them?

>> No. But maybe uh

>> it's a big ask.

>> Yes,

>> it's a big ask, you know, asking.

>> It's a big ask.

>> A few billion dollars to go dig around

under the pyramids. I mean, how much

money do you think it costs to to do

this

>> to do? We we we have to do we we did an

estimation of uh the the

an estimation about I don't know for

maybe maybe uh belonging for 20 millions

or or more

>> $20 million

>> yes $20 million

>> and this is just to clean the shaft and

go underneath

>> and because why so much money because we

are our intention is to work safety I

don't want that people has to go down

the shaft and work. We will we want to

use drones, robots to to make something

automatically and so go down by using

machines, not humans.

>> Yeah, that makes sense.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. And that way you can get accurate

real time video and

>> Yes. Yes.

>> Wow. with cameras and uh it will be

something I am thinking about this the

most maybe is one of the most ancient

megalithic structure that we are dealing

now can be recovered by the most modern

technology that we have now today and so

we can recover it modern and ancient

together.

>> So you've been giving this presentation

now and you've been going around. What

has that been like? What has the

reception of it been like?

>> Yes. A a moderate

positive reception.

>> Moderate positive. So people that are

like if this is true it's amazing but

you have to show me more.

>> Yes.

>> I tell you in this project proposal I am

out.

>> You're out.

>> Yes. It is better than that University

of Ferrara that is one of the most

important university in Italy can stay

there and uh manage all the work is

better

>> right

>> and I'm out

>> right you showed them what's there show

them the technology now

>> good luck

>> thank you

>> thank you thank you and good luck so

tell me about this presentation so how

do you set this up I know you you

brought some of the slides of this

presentation tell tell me how you set

this up.

>> How you

>> how you set it up? So, how you explain

it to these when you have these, you

know, semi-eptical scientists that are

sitting down there and you're going to

tell them, I'm about to rewrite human

history. How do you set this up?

Oh, they were uh they were listening me

very well and they asking me uh things

uh about how they everyone um the first

thing that they asked me is how it works

and that's good and so I slowly explain

explain them how it works and how I

arrived to to to make this presentation

so to have our results and uh uh and so

and so on and They

they they

someone of them is skeptical, someone a

bit less skeptical,

>> which is what you want.

>> Yes.

>> Yes. You want healthy debate about this

kind of stuffy debate.

>> That's the only way you find out what

the truth is.

>> Yes. Only only having a you a healthy

debate, we can find what is the truth. I

I don't want to polarize people for me.

You know, it's not my it's not my job.

No. Well, not only that, it's not you're

just discovering something. Yes.

>> This is something that's there. And for

people to just put on a skeptical lens

and just not look at it at all is crazy.

>> Yes.

>> Like if you're skeptical, we should

probably explore it. And if you're

wrong, okay, now we know it's not true.

>> But if it is true, it's a crime to not

investigate.

>> Do not investigate. It's a crime to not

investigate. Yes. And I tell you the

the uh solution to we we don't we don't

have to dig holes uh uh ruin the what is

now preserved. No, we we have to only

clean enough. We have to only clean and

we have to use what there is

made. It's for us because those shafts

they are for us. They are calling us. We

our

um our rights are to clean them and see

what there is and do go down and explore

them. Personally,

>> well, it just seems like these shafts

exist at alone and they are at that

depth that you describe and they are at

the dimensions you describe. It really

does lend credence to what you're

saying. Yeah. because it seems like

there's a purpose for those things. And

if they do go down to the area where all

these structures are,

>> seems like there's something there.

>> In my personal opinion, they were built

purposely. And if you see the the

>> access points probably.

>> Yes, they are access points. They are

they were made probably to um you know,

Joe uh when you go deep below the earth,

the temperature rises a lot. So there is

a certain uh uh ratio uh of um where the

temperature rises uh proportional to the

depth that you are going. So the shafts

are made purposely to take the their

their function is to transport air light

and so cool what there is inside.

>> Well that makes sense.

>> Yeah. and also access

um show me some of the other slides and

other things that are in your

presentation so we can get a more

comprehensive understanding of what

we're looking at.

>> Okay.

>> Yes. This is uh the Zed this is ah Mario

Pinker. Maru Pinker was a researcher

uh that he died the on 2011 12 and uh he

was studying the zed which is the

multi-layer monument let's call it a

monument but it's not a monument because

it it has a certain and very precise

function that is uh inside the pyramid

this is the

>> and this is the uh outlined image in the

lower left hand corner.

>> Yeah, that's the tomography that we that

we have retrieved. It looks very

precise,

>> right? It looks exactly like what it

looks like in the actual image. What is

that thing? What is the what do you

think the function of that thing is?

>> Yes. Uh the function is um is is this uh

uh it is you you see on the top of the

structure there is something like

>> like a cap.

>> Yes, like a cap.

uh that cap uh is has a a precise

function to act attract the in the the

vibration.

Okay. It's an antenna

in the in the vibration domain. Okay.

>> Antenna in the vibration domain. Yes.

Okay.

attract the the energy in terms of uh

mechanical vibration and propagates them

below.

There are other slides please. Okay. Uh

here I did a simulation. Uh now I'm

sorry because I don't have the video

because this is a PDF but uh I I um uh

reproduced the function of the zed on

the computer.

Okay.

>> Okay.

>> And look on the right side, we have all

the vibrations that interacts one to

each other to each layer. Look.

>> Mhm.

>> And you can see that each layer. Look

how strange it is. Each layer on the top

of each layer, it is scattered.

Look.

>> Okay.

>> On the top of the each layer and the

bottom is very flat. It's flat. So what

is that? It is something related to

filter. It is a It is a low pass filter.

A made by stones.

Very crazy. This that's a low pass

filter.

>> A lowass filter. What exactly is a

lowass filter?

>> Yes. A low pass filter is a filter that

allow us that that allows the

transmission only of certain frequencies

and reject other frequencies. So it is a

stabilizer frequency stabilizer and the

low pass or a a certain low value

frequency.

Okay.

>> Right. And so this aligns with

Christopher Dunn's theory. Yeah.

>> That there was something underneath the

the pyramid that there was a a chamber

that was they were using to generate

vibration and that that vibration would

go through the entire structure.

>> Yes. And look, Joe, the last layer,

look, transmits

directly inside

the the the so-called uh sarcophagus.

That's not a sarcophagus there.

>> And so what do you think that what they

call a sarcophagus? This immense granite

box.

>> Yeah. Let's call it Yes. The gr the

granite box. Yes. And then inside the

granic box

was done to contain a man a body. And

that vibration look

collapses at the center of the granite

box where the man was lying down.

>> So do you think there was actually a man

inside that? So a person would lay in

that box.

>> Yes.

>> And what what happened to them?

>> I don't know.

>> Whoa.

So

>> I don't know. That's a simulation that I

did, but it's precise.

>> So, you don't think it's for a dead

body? You think it's for a live body?

>> Yes.

>> And so, a person would lay there and

have some probably incredibly profound

experience with whatever

>> Probably. Yes.

>> What do you think it was? Like, if you

just wanted to get crazy and put on the

tinfoil hat and speculate, what do you

think it was?

I mean, what would happen to a person if

they encountered this kind of vibration?

these kind of frequencies and in this

resonating granite box

>> I can say something that is not

scientific uh recognizing.

>> Yeah, that's what I want.

>> Yeah.

Maybe

>> keep it up there.

>> What do you think?

>> Maybe that person was ready to have an

out of the body experience induced.

>> Oh, like a gateway.

a gateway to the spirit world.

Look at on the top you have the antenna.

The antenna is recepting all the

vibrations that transmits

all the signal below directly inside the

granite box. It's very exciting.

>> And what do you think was generating

these vibrations? Ah yes the natural the

uh the wind the natural vibration

vibration of the earth and also some uh

let's say

uh flowing the the the flowing of water

also the flowing of water and generated

by

>> flowing water and then there was also

shafts that were this is part of

Christopher Dunn's theory these shafts

that reached the outside of space that

he thinks were attracting space

radiation

>> can be Yeah, that's another possibility.

>> Yes, another possibility.

>> He also had a a theory that perhaps the

lower chamber that's below the the

pyramid itself that there was some

mechanical device inside of there that

was generating vibration

>> for this uh can be. Yes, can be. But we

don't boom through the entire structure

and this is creating this vibration.

That's the antenna. You've got this

filter through it and then someone is

laying in the sarcophagus tripping

balls. Yes. Is that

>> Whoa.

That's crazy.

That's crazy.

Do you imagine if this entire structure

was just built so that someone could

have some sort of a bizarre out-of- body

experience or psychedelic gateway

experience?

>> I think that's true. I think it's

psychedelic Disney World.

>> I do. I seriously I had I had that

epiphany like two months ago.

>> Really?

>> I don't want to explain it, but yeah.

Uh, I was look looking at a picture of

me when I was a kid at a like a Cedar

Point, which is like roller coaster

place. I was just thinking of how much

effort we put in to making kids or young

adults have a wild experience. Yeah.

>> That is only

uh in reference, you only understand it

if you live there. If you found Disney

World now in a thousand years, you'd be

like, "What the [ __ ] They worship mice?

>> What the [ __ ] are you talking about?

This is insane. Look at all the pictures

of mice everywhere."

>> That's so true. But you'd see that giant

castle and there's rides everywhere and

you you would have no idea what the

experience of that ride would have been

like or the teacups,

>> right?

>> It's nonsense. It's fun for kids,

>> but also would make them feel

amazing, but also adding what this

vibration stuff does and sound and music

and all these other things. You can put

them all together and be like you could

feel like a god.

>> Yeah.

>> If lightning hit the thing, you'd be

like, "What the I don't know." It's I

just had that wild idea one day. It's an

interesting idea because if you think

people have always been fascinated by

achieving novel experiences and what

more novel experience than a 2,300,000

stone structure that's perfectly aligned

to true north, south, east, and west

aligns to the stars of Orion's belt.

>> Yes.

>> You lie inside a stone box and the

vibrations hit you and you're in that

box.

more more

>> and naturally you go out of the body.

>> What it who knows what it does to the

body and the mind because we know that

the mind is capable of producing

indogenous psychedelic chemicals. We

also know that people have a very

profound reaction to frequencies. That's

why sound hits us so hard and we love

music and and just vibration itself and

and this sound weapon that they just

recently used in Venezuela supposedly to

knock out all Maduro's troops. What what

could this thing have been?

>> Yes. Um

I am relative that the the principal

actor of everything can be water

uh vibrations. So sound sound

but we we are uh dealing now to the

third uh a third thing. So the purpose

the exactly purpose of this maybe it can

it can be also one more than one purpose

no more than one scopus of the pyramids

the pyramids intended to be now we I am

100% convinced that the pyramids uh can

be considered the tip of the iceberg of

something

uh con uh of something very uh huge BJ

that is composed by things that are

below the earth and the pyramids that

are up at the surface of the earth.

>> So what do you think the reason for the

design of the pyramid in that specific

geometric shape?

Uh yes. Uh probably because they have to

resonate with the universe in in uh in

uh in some uh

in

they they have to resonate with the with

the universe. You know the the universe

uh the universe uh uh jaw it is uh it is

not complicated. is simple

because the universe is constituted by

things the matter the particles the

light yes but everything is uh regulated

by some constants there are the

constants so the velocity the speed of

the light c

uh 3 * 10 to the 8 uh kilometers/s

then you have so the velocity of the

light so you have the electric

constants, the magnetic constants that

are

uh that arranges very well the law of

the universe. So it is important that

something that has to uh be well related

to the place that we live to the

universe has to contain very precisely

the dimensions of uh recasting the

constants of the universe

>> and that's what you think the pyramids

did?

>> Personally yes personally yes

>> how old do you think they are?

Yes. So yes on the sorry the the Italian

starts when

I start speaking Italian.

>> No it's okay. It's okay.

Erh

the thing that uh we can say for

certainly is that the pyramids are older

than the dates that are written on the

uh typical history books. So to see

something that to say something very

precisely we have to go back in time uh

into the zapi.

So more than 36

thousands years ago something happened

to the earth. So uh the zapi uh began

and in a time belonging the zeppy and

the great flood were built the pyramid

the pyramids.

>> So like what I'm sending you something

Jamie that's very interesting.

>> Yes. Um, so

do you have an idea? Do you do you have

an estimation like what what is your

personal belief?

>> Yes.

We can't say exactly the year.

>> So Zepti, let's let's explain to people

what that is since we're I sometimes

forget. Zepy is the thing that I

described to Zahi Has and he dismissed

it. But there's this I've never heard of

this.

>> It's an ancient kings list.

>> Yeah. And it's a list of pharaohs that

goes back past 30,000 years. Yes. And um

it's very inconvenient for modern

academics. And so they like to portray

it as myth.

>> And then when it gets to the age of

historically accurate pharaohs that we

know of, Kufu and Cafrey, then they

allow those hieroglyphs. Yes.

>> But when you get all the way back to the

30,000 years ago, they like to say that

that's just mythology.

>> Yes, it's true.

But it is a matter of fact that Zep we

have

we have also other ancient megalytics

that are very old recognized very old.

So we have to deal with that.

>> Well go back

is a big problem also

>> but more than 11,000 years old for sure.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> And as we saw

>> here it is. This is something that um um

I actually just talked to Graham Hancock

about. This is Stella is a limestone

inscription discovered in 1858 near the

great pyramid complex of Giza. And the

text describes a pharaoh kufu who ruled

from 2589 to 2566 BC visiting the site

and ordering restorations to existing

structures including a temple associated

with the goddess Isis. The stellar

refers to Isis as the mistress of the

pyramid, a title that has raised

questions about whether parts of the

Giza plateau were already considered

sacred before Kufu's reign. And although

most Egyptologists date the Stella

itself to the 26th dynasty, more than

2,000 years after Kufu, its wording

continues to draw attention because it

portrays the pharaoh as a restorer

rather than the original builder.

Whether inscription provides older

tradition or reflects later religious

interpretation remains debated. But if

this is accurate, this describes Kufu as

restoring the pyramid. Yeah.

>> Now this exists throughout history. Um

the temple of Tinoitlan

uh where the Aztecs had when when they

described it, they described it as the

place where the gods were born. Yeah.

>> And they found it. Like people think the

Aztecs made the pyramids. They did not.

>> No,

>> they there was some sort of a previous

civilization that lived in Mexico prior

to the people that called themselves the

Aztecs or what we call the Aztecs and

they built. So there's a longstanding

history of people repurposing existing

structures and claiming them as their

own. And if this Stella is accurate and

this was also in Fingerprints of the

Gods, Graham Hancock's book. Um, so I I

sent this to Graham and his reaction was

pretty interesting. What he said

>> to me was that um there's a strong

suggestion that the Kufu pyramid might

have been one of the three subsidiary

structures alongside the Great Pyramid's

eastern flank and all that looked like

damaging e evidence against the orthodox

chronology of ancient Egypt. It also

challenged the consensus view that the

Giza pyramids had been built as tombs

and only as tombs. Uh however s uh uh

rather than investigating the statements

u from the stella the Egypt childiffs ch

uh they chose to devalue them in his his

quotes they chose to say h that's just

inconvenient

>> but if it's if they are describing it

that way that that seems like this is a

longstanding tradition of people finding

things that exist. the earth's clearly

eg ancient Egypt itself, dynastic Egypt

is a very complex society, very complex

and very advanced society, even if they

didn't build that stuff. But it seems

like they're saying the restore.

>> Yes. Yes. I I agree with you, Joe. Um

I tell you uh there are um some facts

that we have to observe because I am

used to observe

before I I have I I say something I have

to observe.

So I am not um how you say an expert of

pyramids because I am an engineer. I

work on satellites. I am a space

engineer. I'm I'm not a

an Egyptologist

like that, but I can observe

in inside the pyramids

they found a lot of salt

that were uh attached on the walls. So

they find the salt. Why there is why

there was salt there?

First, second,

the shafts that we are dealing now, if

we want to clean the shafts, why there

is debris? Why they are tapped?

No. So,

if the great flood is a an historical uh

parameter, recognize it. So let's say uh

11 11,000 12,000 years ago let's say

something like that I don't remember

precisely the zeppi which is not

recognized is 36,000 in the past so

between the zepi and the great flood

we can locate the pyramids and the

sphinx.

Wow. So the great flood we're looking at

11,000 plus years ago. Zepte you're

looking at 30,000 plus years ago.

>> Yes, we can say I'm an engineer. I am I

I put myself in the center between 30

36,000 and 11,000. See if you can find

some images of salt in the in the great

pyramids because it it is quite

fascinating and if there was some sort

of a massive rise of sea and massive

flooding which is depicted in every

single ancient religion. Yes.

>> From epic of Gilgamesh to the Hopi talk

about it. I mean it's like almost all

cultures have a story. Obviously Noah

and the ark and the flood in the Bible,

but this salt

>> Joe two months ago I went for the first

time to visit the pyramids and I found

salt on the wall. There is still salt.

>> And you think that salt is probably

because

>> I taste it is of water of uh the sea.

>> Wow.

>> Yes. I forgot to to to to bring it to

you. Not just that, but there's so much

salt that there's still salt there

11,000 years later,

>> which is really extraordinary.

>> And so you think that that salt is

because the entire area was flooded. And

that's the reason why the shafts were

flooded and filled with debris. Yes.

>> Right. Topped off with debris cuz

everything just flooded into there. And

then when the sea receded,

>> you're so many years later, you're left

with salt everywhere.

>> Yeah. And that's why uh the reason that

uh I don't want that people goes to work

inside the shaft because are dangerous

can collapse the the the

debris can collapse because you can have

bubble of of of air and so it's

dangerous

>> right right

>> robots has to go

>> right well it makes more sense robots

are safer and it's also like you

>> so everything is connected the great

flood the zeppy and the pyramids

>> wow if that turns out convinced with

that

>> I I am convinced

>> that maybe 18 I I go in the center 18

18,000 or something like that. 20

between 18,000 and 20,000.

>> Well, what's crazy is I mean that pushes

back that ancient civilization by 14,000

years.

>> Yeah.

>> Which is at least 14,000 years. I mean

John Anthony West thought maybe 30,000

plus years to the construction of the

Sphinx. That's what he thought. And when

Robert Shock from Boston University, the

geologist that started doing work on the

the the pyramid and then excuse me, the

um temple of the Sphinx.

>> The Sphinx. Yes.

>> Yeah. And the water erosion. He's like,

"This is

>> it's vertical."

>> Yes. It's vertical fissures that come

from thousands of years of rainfall. And

the last time there was like significant

rainfall in the Nile Valley like that

was 9,000 years ago.

>> Yeah.

>> So you're dealing with thousands of

years before that of rain to achieve

that kind of erosion. Yes, it is

necessary now when that's why this

research and this activity that hope we

will do it is very important.

>> Yeah, because this it is able to rewrite

everything it mean rewrite everything.

Imagine if you could get something from

down in those shafts in those corridors

something that you could date.

>> Yeah.

>> And you get a date back of 26,000 BC.

you go what

you know I mean this is it's not outside

of the realm of possibility that's

what's so crazy about this it just

really does seem like we are getting

more and more evidence that things are

far older than conventional wisdom than

conventional the conventional narrative

that's taught in schools

>> yes I agree

I agree because uh as I told you before

this is time this is the time to to see

effective what we which is the exact

date of construction who made them and

how they made them.

>> But how could we figure out how they

made it? That's the crazy thing, right?

Because we don't even understand the

technology they used to cut them.

>> Yeah.

>> We don't know what they had. And that's

the other thing. If you're dealing with

something that's 20,000 plus years old,

15,000 years old, what's going to be

left? All the metal's gone. Everything

is eroded. The earth is reclaimed. Most

things really the thing that you have

left is stone which is pretty crazy.

>> Yeah. And uh if we see uh the the rooms

all the structures that are currently

inside let's say the the chaops pyramid

which I I like it a lot. The grand

gallery is very nice fascinating.

They have a precision incredible

precision. All those big huge stones

that com that is composing the grand

gallery is very exciting. I like it a

lot.

>> Did you have uh any sort of fascination

about the pyramids before this or

>> Joe? I remember when I was young, very

young, I used to

uh I had um uh it

uh how you say, I had um a a personal

computer, very old one, and I was always

playing always on um on something that

uh

and there was the pyramids. They were

always the pyramids. And there in that

meantime I I realized that I liked the

pyramids and so I I was very young.

>> So the personal beauty just researching

the pyramids is that what it was like

what do you say just looking at pictures

and images?

>> Yes. Yes. On the pyramids.

>> So you always were fascinated by but did

you have an understanding or even uh any

questions about the timeline of

civilization before this?

>> No. Never.

>> So it only happened within the last few

years.

>> Yes. Yes. Erh I began uh I began uh

working uh so uh being interested on

pyramids uh starting from 2018.

>> So it was right after you started

>> doing this research. Yes.

>> And you started saying okay what is

this?

>> Yeah. And so when you start to to

research on something that that is uh

our history, our past, our origins

because we our origins are there. So we

have to fetch we have to find what there

is there because it is important that uh

we uh it is important to research our

origin because in this meantime humanity

does not know we don't know who we are.

We don't know our origins. We don't know

anything of of who we are. And the most

of the answers can be found in the um

studying the pyramids.

>> Well, it certainly seems to be the

greatest accomplishment that ancient

humans had ever created.

>> Yes.

>> And if these humans were far more

ancient than we currently believe, that

is really really interesting.

>> Yeah. And uh it is for me very it it is

something that I have it always in my

mind

only to know how they did how they cut

the stones how they have transported the

stones and how I don't know how how how

everything how how like what gave them

the idea like were there any

>> previous pyramids cuz it's weird because

the older you go the more complex the

structures are

>> and the newer ones are kind of shitty.

Yes.

>> Yeah.

>> So, okay. So, we went from that we

showed this antenna and it goes into the

supposed sarcophagus and these

vibrations. What other things do you

show in your presentation that are

interesting? Uh I um I showed

principally all the structures that are

uh that are uh under the the Cafra

pyramid and also under each pyramids.

And uh also I described the uh method uh

uh on how going

below without drilling anything. And so

I uh showed them I showed them that

there are the entrances are there on our

eyes. Everyone can see those uh those

shafts. And so why we we we are not

exploring them? Why they are so dirty?

Why they are so without uh any kind of

work of renew methods? Yeah.

>> I don't know why.

>> Well, it seems like there's limited

resources first of all. BS. And also it

seems like Egypt an entire

>> economy is based on tourism. An immense

amount of tourism because it's so

fantastic. There's people from all over

the world make a pilgrimage.

>> I I also I also I also find uh a method

to uh combine so not stopping the the

tourism. No. So it is possible to

combine the work and also the tourism.

So we can delimitate the area inside the

area we work and outside the area safety

all the people can visit the py the Jes

not only that I think it will enhance

tourism because if this speculation

proves to be fruitful and you start

looking under there and you find that

there there is evidence to all this it's

just going to make more people want to

go. Yes, I I agree with you. But you

imagine, Joe,

we will find

the structures that are underneath. No.

And maybe we can try to build a huge uh

lift that carry people downstairs in

safety always. Or maybe not below for a

lot, but at a certain at a certain

depth. So they can also travel along the

horizontal corridors that are present.

And so they go up from the shafts and

they they go they they they go up from

uh to the Cafrey pyramid and they go

away from so the entrance here and they

and they go

intercepting the pyramids.

>> That would be amazing.

>> Yeah. I mean it would just be much more

tourism.

>> Yes.

>> Yeah. And also the all eyes would be on

Egypt. I mean it would probably be a

huge boost to their economy. It would

probably be a huge boost to archaeology

because more young people would get

fascinated by it, want to study it.

>> Yeah. And and imagine imagine also this.

What can we find below

down there? What can what can we find?

This is a question that I am asking

because if we watch the the the the

slide concerning the shaft that I want

to that I want to clean, there are

things inside it. It I am showing that

that that there are things located

inside the uh chamber. Look, there is

something.

>> What What is that?

>> What are you seeing when you we're

talking about the shaft where it goes

all the way down to the bottom and

there's a chamber. Is that what you

mean? That one. Yes.

>> Right there. So that structure that is

at the bottom.

>> What's that? I don't know. Was that

>> right?

>> It's very huge.

>> Very huge. And it's at the bottom of the

shaft.

>> Yeah.

>> Look the horizontal corridors.

>> Mhm.

And so there's more horizontal cor

corridors during the when you traverse

down into the shaft. Then you there's

you intercept

>> right other corridors. And how large are

those corridors?

>> By about 3 m tall.

>> So there's three So there's these 3 m

tall shafts

>> that go to the side. These corridors

that go to the side.

>> Yes.

>> Along the way and then also down at the

very bottom.

>> Yes.

>> And you're convinced of this. This is

all data, right?

Um,

>> and no one has ever sent a camera down

there or anything.

>> Those are human man-made structure like

uh a ring on another ring.

>> Mhm.

>> Look, it is it is very clear, right? If

you observe the structure, those are man

man-made and they go deep, very deep.

And you can see the rubbish that is uh

on the bottom.

>> All the debris.

>> The debris.

>> And that debris you think was a lot of

it because of the flood. I am 100% sure

of this. Yeah. So the pyramids or the

Giza plateau it seems to stop the

functionality the the

working. We don't know which kind of

work

uh were used to do but stopped because

of the great flood. So we can go back in

time in uh 12,000 years ago. And when

people's the people that don't know if

you're hearing this like what great

flood that's just not that's just myth.

There's a thing called the younger dus

impact theory and the younger dry impact

theory group that's been studying this

they now know that there was impacts to

the earth that are allowed around the

11,800

year mark and then I believe I believe

again in the 10,000year range. Uh Randle

Carlson is probably the best guy to talk

to about that, but that they find high

levels of aridium, which is very common

in space and very rare on Earth, but

there's a layer of it. They also find

these nano diamonds uh that they also

discovered during the first Trinity

explosion when they detonated the atomic

bomb. They find these microscopic glass

particles that are created by the

intense explosion interacting with the

sand. So what is it called? Trinitite

trit is that what it's called? What are

those?

>> Nuclear glass. What is that called?

Tritonite. Is that what it's called?

>> Some uh some something related to

vitrification.

>> Yes.

>> Okay.

>> So, this exists all over the world. And

it exists all over the world when they

do a core sample at the same depth.

Yeah.

>> And so this is a very strong scientific

indicator of evidence that we've been

hit.

>> Yes.

>> Yeah.

>> But another scientific indicator is the

debris. Why there is that debris there?