Why You Still Haven't Grown Up
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But the reason that you are stuck in
life is because you cannot bring
yourself to be ordinary. Their life is
built on this fantasy. They can
accomplish amazing things. And if you're
a puerist, you know this. Why do these
people exist? Because we're a society of
Puera Eterni. We're a whole generation
of people who are living in our parents'
basement. And this is the core of the
psychological problem. This is what Yung
really discovered is that they cannot
make a commitment. They cannot make a
sacrifice. They cannot pay a cost
without a guarantee of a gain. And if
you cannot do that, you will never move
forward in life. Today we are going to
do a lecture on an incredibly
fascinating concept called puer eternus.
Okay. So this was something that Carl
Jung originally developed
and puer means boy like a a male child
or puella. So I know that I I looked at
the title of the stream today and it was
like why some men never grow up. So
actually is a lecture about men and
women but the concept is it's like
colloquially known as pueris but it can
be puella eternis too. Puella means girl
like a female child and eternis means
eternal. So over a hundred years ago,
Carl Jung described this archetype of
someone who remains an eternal child.
And in my like work as a as a clinician
and psychiatrist, my route to this has
been kind of interesting and I just want
to share that with y'all. So I started
out in when I was training in residency.
So these are people with a lot of like
potential do pretty well in like middle
school, high school. Something happens
around the time that they go to
university. Maybe they get a job, maybe
they don't get a job. And so they sort
of have this trajectory in life that
just kind of like
fails to launch in the way that they
should. And then I sort of had this
amazing mentor who, you know, one time
in supervision was kind of telling me
like she's the one that shared the
statement to with me that like gifted
kids are special needs kids. And I kind
of got interested in that. I was one of
these kids that was gifted growing up
and then like I really struggled a lot
in my 20s and then kind of got my [ __ ]
together in my 30s. So I kind of started
working with failure to launch people.
Then I sort of got into gifted kids. And
then once I started streaming on Twitch
and and actually before I started
streaming on Twitch, I started working
with a lot of gamers, right? So these
were people who had a lot of potential,
had a lot of IQ, but for some reason
they failed to launch, were gifted,
whatever. And so even to this day, our
most successful upload on our YouTube
channel is about how gifted kids are
special needs. I've uh messaged my
mentor like 15 times over the last few
years and asked her like, "Hey, do you
want credit for this because this is
like your idea and you taught me this."
And she's like, "No, you don't have to
ever mention my name or anything like
that." She's just like, she's happy to,
you know, not be credited. And then
something interesting happened. I
stumbled into Yungian psychology. Yung
described this concept of puera turnus,
which is the eternal child. And as I
read this concept, I realized, holy
crap, this is gifted kids. This is G
like a generation of people who are
stuck in gaming and don't live up to
their potential. This is failure to
launch. So he sort of described this
concept and the reason that I'm talking
about it as Puerto Ris using Jung's
architecture is because Jung did
something that I had never seen anyone
done do before which is he got to the
root of all of these problems. The
psychological the fundamental
psychological block that prevents
certain types of people from becoming
what they should be. And so I I I think
Jung was really good at describing this
internal like psychological process. And
then one of his colleagues, Marie Louise
von Frron, I don't know how to pronounce
that, wrote a whole book about it. We're
going to be showing y'all passages of
the book. And like it it's like eerie
when I was reading her book. It was like
eerie. This book was written like I
think a hund over a hundred years ago.
But how it perfectly describes all of
these things. And the other thing that
was really is really fascinating is that
this archetype of someone who stays
stuck in adolescence, right? Never grows
up is made so much worse because their
psychological vulnerabilities are being
predated like like technology is like
the critical hit for this psychological
vulnerability. So I think there's a
reason why we're seeing a developmental
stunting and I think Jung is like the
best at sort of capturing what's at the
essence of that, right? So if we look at
why gifted kids are special needs,
there's like a thousand reasons. Failure
to launch has a thousand reasons. We
have all these like papers on psychology
and neuroscience is this part of your
brain, dopamine this and frontal
executive dysfunction that and all this
like [ __ ] Like there's like a million
reasons, right? But Yung is like, "No,
this is it." And that's what I want to
share with y'all today. So the first
thing that we're going to do is describe
the characteristics of the pueris. So
the pueris is first of all charming.
Okay. So often times these people are
they're kind of like childlike in a fun
sort of way, right? So they're like they
they tend to be actually pretty
charismatic. I think nowadays we don't
really think of it as charisma because
we have social anxiety. But I see a lot
of these people being like the life of
the group that they're in. They tend to
be the funny person in class. They tend
to be like, you know, really like
friendly on Discord. They tend to be
like they play they don't necessarily
play bards, but like I imagine they're
kind of playing bards at a D and D
table. So they're actually like quite
charming and charismatic. The other
thing is that they they're incredibly
intelligent, quickwitted, kind of
likable, right? So when people meet them
for the first time, assuming the social
anxiety gets out of the way, often times
people are initially impressed by the
puerist, they're like, "Wow, like this
person's like this person's really
solid. Like they're really great." And
so the other characteristic of a
puerist, which we've kind of already
talked about, is that they have a lot of
potential. So when people meet them,
they're like, "Wow, this kid is so
smart. This kid is kind of going
places." Um, oftentimes they'll have
bursts of creative energy, but then the
cycle that they sort of fall into is
that even though they're like they kind
of come off as strong, they open like,
you know, as soon as the race starts and
they start running, they like do really
well, inevitably they falter. So like
their ability to follow through, their
ability to live up to expectations,
their ability to deliver on expectations
falls absolutely flat. Okay. Hey y'all.
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the pueris is. And I want to share with
y'all what this kind of looks like. So
they generally do not like sports which
require patience and long training. For
the puera tournis in the negative sense
of the word is usually very impatient by
disposition. So that such ports sports
do not appeal to them. Okay. So here's
another feature like they do not like
conventional situations. They ask deep
questions and go straight for truth. So
on the contrary he lives in a continual
sleepy haze. And that too is a typical
adolescent characteristic. the sleepy,
undisiplined, long-legged youth who
merely hangs around his mind wandering
indiscriminately so that sometimes one
feels inclined to pour a bucket of cold
water over his head. The sleepy days is
only an outer aspect. However, if you
can penetrate it, you will find a lively
fantasy life is being cherished within.
So, this is what happens when you meet a
puer. Okay? So, they're like, first of
all, they hate small talk. They're all
about big ideas. They're all about grand
things, right? So like, I want to be
big. I want to think deep. I want to
understand quantum mechanics. Like I
don't want to do this conventional life
stuff. They tend to actually come across
as brilliant or impressive. When you
first meet them, but they evoke a
reaction in other people and often times
in themselves of like wanting to pour a
bucket over your head. You get
frustrated with them so easily, right?
because they're like they're big talkers
but they just don't show up in the way
that you know you actually need to to uh
live up to things in life. So how does
someone kind of get in this this
situation and this is where I want to
talk for a second about this cherished
fantasy life. So the basic problem with
a pueris is they have big dreams, right?
They have big ideas. They're incredibly
intelligent. They've got large goals.
But anytime they start to exist in life
or try to live life, they are inevitably
severely disappointed. So anytime they
imagine an experience like the
experience is great, but the reality of
the experience is like drab and
disappointing in comparison. So they may
have ideas to create like a fantasy
novel or like I'm going to write a TV
show or I'm going to create a video
game. I want to become a programmer. I
have this great vision. And the moment
that they start to engage in life and
actually try to do it, the version that
they encounter in real life is like a a
shadow of it. And so then they sort of
like they they have this vision in their
head, but the real life just doesn't
line up. And Marie Louise von France
even talks about this in terms of
relationships. Okay. So let's take a
look at this. There is another typical
form of this same disturbance. In this
case, the image of the mother, the image
of the perfect w woman who will give
everything to a man and who is without
any shortcomings is sought in every
woman. He is looking for a mother
goddess. So that each time he is
fascinated by a woman, he has later to
discover that she is an ordinary human
being. Once he has been intimate with
her, the whole fascination vanishes and
he turns away disappointed only to
project the new the image a new onto one
woman after another. Okay. So this is
another kind of feature of this I think
not another this encapsulates like the
existence of a pueris. They have sort of
this idea of like a perfect version of
things, right? They don't they don't
actually have a whole lot of experience,
but they're caught up with like, okay,
like like this is in my mind there's
like a perfect woman out there for me.
And the moment that they start to engage
with reality, reality is inevitably
disappointing. And so often times what
happens is like they'll and this happens
in relationships. I think nowadays we
see like other kind of permutations of
this. So I think like pornography and
incelism is also connected to puera
turnis. So if you look at a lot of like
incel forums or like red pill forums or
things like that, they have this like
vision
of the perfect woman, someone who's hot,
someone who's subservient, someone who's
there for me, like not a real human
being. They have a fantasy archetype of
something. And then as they go looking
for that fantasy archetype, they fail to
find it over and over and over again.
And so here's what the cycle of puera
turnus actually looks like. Okay, it's
so so this is where like you know people
are saying they put women on a pedestal.
I think it so this is why I kind of
bring it up. I actually think that that
is not correct.
This is this is exactly what I think is
important. So it is not that they put
women on a pedestal. They put life on a
pedestal. This is not just about women.
This is I think the mistake and this is
where I think why why we sort of fail to
fix this problem because it's about way
more than women. They put life on a
pedestal. So this is what the cycle kind
of looks like. Okay. So I'm a person and
I have a vision of life and then what
happens is I engage in life and then
inevitably it's boring,
grueling,
disappointing. Okay. So, and over here
you're filled with excitement
potential, but the reality of it never
really like lines up and then you end up
feeling dejected,
loss of motivation. Often times what'll
happen here is that they will encounter
some kind of obstacle. So, as you engage
with it, there's some sort of obstacle
that comes up. And so, like you can um
you can work really hard, but like then
something comes up. If a man pulls out
of this youthful neurosis, then it is
through work. There are however some
misunderstandings in this connection.
For the puerist can work, as can all
primitives or people with a weak ego
complex when fascinated or in a state of
great enthusiasm. Then he can work 24
hours at a stretch or even longer until
he breaks down. But what he cannot do is
to work on a dreary rainy morning when
work is boring and one has to kick
oneself into it. That is the one thing
that puernis cannot manage and will use
any kind of excuse to avoid. So they're
capable of brilliance. They're capable
of hard work. They're capable of sweat
and toil. But the moment that things
become difficult or and this is what's
really interesting, the moment that
things become boring, the moment that
things become drab, then they lose their
ability to work. And here's the other
really wild thing. They can even do
incredible things. Okay? They generally
do not like sports which require
patience and long training. For the
puera tournis in the negative sense of
the word is usually a very impatient
disposition so that such sports do not
appeal to them. I know a young man, a
classical example of Puera Turnis, who
did a tremendous amount of
mountaineering, but so much hated, so
much hated carrying a rucks sack, that
he preferred to train himself even to
sleep in the rain or snow or wrap
himself up in a silk raincoat and with a
kind of yoga breathing was able to sleep
out of doors. He also trained himself to
go practically without food simply in
order to not have to carry any weight.
In a way, he led a very heroic existence
just in order to not be bound to go to a
hut or carry a rucksack. The one thing
he absolutely refuses is responsibility
for anything or to the carry or or to
carry the weight of a situation.
So this is what happens in a pueris.
They're even capable of her heroism.
But what they can't do is ordinary. They
can be magnificent and even their ego
thrives on the idea of [ __ ] normies.
When they go hiking and mountaineering,
they have to carry rock sacks, pack
their food, pitch a tent. I am not going
to be a normie. I'm gonna be
exceptional. I'm gonna train myself
through yogic methods. I'm gonna do all
of this stuff. I'm going to like create
this weird artificial hardship. I would
rather be a heroic like kind of idiot.
Like you can just carry a bag, bro. Like
you don't need to have this intense
yogic breathing. But this is what their
life is like. Their life is built on
this fantasy. And this is what's really
confusing about it is that they can
absolutely work incredibly hard. They
can accomplish amazing things. And if
you're a pueris, you know this, right?
That's where everyone sees the potential
coming from. You know that you've done
things that ordinary human beings cannot
do. But the reason that you are stuck in
life is because you cannot bring
yourself to be ordinary. The only option
that you've got is extraordinary. Make
sense? What a pueris fears more than
anything else
is the loss of potential. So I kind of
think about puera eternis as so so this
is kind of right. So like there's so
much potential right like you're a
gifted kid you can accomplish anything
that you want. You have this weird
heroism within you like where like if
you can find the right circumstances
then you can become this like demiggod
tier being. You can become something
like an Elon Musk, right? Because you're
just as smart as them. You can become a
billionaire and in the right
circumstances, if you can bring yourself
to your heroism, you can accomplish
great things. But the problem is that
anytime you try to engage in life, you
don't engage in this fantasy. It doesn't
turn out to be the dream that you had.
It's this like drab existence. And what
really holds puera attorney back is
actually this loss of potential. So I
sort of think about puera turni is a
pluropotent stem cell. So this stem cell
can be anything. It can be a neuron. It
can be cardiac muscle. It can be an
astroite. It can be a liver cell. It can
be like a beta cell in the pancreas. It
can be anything. The problem for pueris
is once you make a choice to
differentiate you lose the potential of
everything else. So the moment that you
make a commitment, this is the problem.
Making a commitment means sacrificing
all of the potential. And this is
something they cannot do. Right? So like
like there's all kinds of language that
I will hear about this like, oh, what
should I major in? But if I major in
this, if I date this person, if I major
in this, then what if it's the wrong
choice? What if it doesn't work out?
What if I don't like it? And they are so
paralyzed by being trapped in the drab
existence of reality, right? Like, oh my
god, if I have to debase myself to
become a a pleb and make small talk in a
water cooler in a cubicle as a sheeple,
I cannot tolerate that at all. So
they're they're completely they're
they're pathologically unable to make a
commitment or make a sacrifice. And so
what they end up doing is swimming
around in a state of pluropotent stem
cell, never making a commitment because
they're terrified of closing off the
doors of life. They're terrified of
losing options and being trapped. That
is what they fear more than anything
else. And if you are pathologically
afraid of being trapped, you can never
make a choice. So they sort of end up
swimming around in this partial life
which I think um this is a a great
example of this. Okay. So which HG
Baines described as the provisional life
that is the strange attitude and feeling
that one is not yet in real life. For
the time being one is doing this or that
but whether it is a woman or a job it is
not yet what is really wanted. And
there's always the fantasy that sometime
in the future the real thing will come
about. The one thing dreaded throughout
by such a type of man is to be bound to
anything whatever. There is a terrific
fear of being the singular human being
that one is. There is always the fear of
being caught in a situation from which
it is impossible to slip out. Okay, make
sense? So what ends up happening is the
puera turn ends up living something
called a marginal life. It is not a real
life. It is not a full life. It it's
like in the pregate area. I'm not going
to board a plane. Right? So like imagine
you're sitting in an airport. There's a
100 gates that planes are sitting there
that are going to 100 destinations. But
the problem for the pueris is the moment
that I get on one plane, I'm flying to
another another destination and that
means that the other 99 possibilities
are taken away from me. So they end up
swimming around
in the boarding area and never really
committing to anything, never really
accomplishing anything. And so they stay
in this like transitional zone for a
long time. What this practically looks
like is they will have these bursts of
interest and activity. Remember, they
can work for 24 hours at a stretch. I'm
going to become an entrepreneur. I'm
going to make a video game. I'm going to
write a TV show. I'm going to make a
book. I'm going to do all these things.
I'm going to learn the piano. And so,
they sort of have all of this like vim
and vigor for a thing. But then
inevitably what happens is they have
some kind of obstacle. Something gets in
the way and then they tend to give up.
They leave it alone. They go back to
their fantasy world which in include
things like video games, social media,
pornography, whatever and then their
desire to do something great happens
again and then they pick up their next
project. So what they end up living is
like you know 10 steps down aundst step
road like in 15 different directions. So
they have all of these like halffinish
projects, things like that, and they can
never like come to fruition on any given
thing. And this is what a marginal life
is. They end up sort of existing and
continuing to exist with a lot of
potential without ever actually sort of
creating any kind of actualization. And
I love this phrase. So um you know,
sometimes the way that uh psychoanalysts
will describe this is something called a
failure to constillate. So what does
that mean? So a constellation is a
collection of stars that forms a
picture, right? So you've got like this
star, this star, this star, and then we
tie things together and then we end up
with something that is greater than the
individual stars. But with a pueris,
they never form a picture of their life.
They never actually like create a
synthesized life that carries value.
It's just one random star over here, one
random star over here, one random star
over here. And it never like turns into
a real full lived life. It becomes a
marginal life or it stays a marginal
life. Okay. Now, there are a couple of
other things that we need to talk about.
So, what do puer eterni really, really,
really hate? So, here's what the cycle
of a puerist looks like. Okay. So, first
thing is they have a fantasy life. they
have a failure to commit. And the reason
they have a failure to commit is because
this cuts off possibilities, right? The
problem with making a decision in life
is that you lose the opportunity to make
other decisions. And so then what
happens is they're kind of in this like
perpetual loading zone, but life is
moving along. And so since they can't
commit to anything, this is what's
really scary. This is what's really
unfortunate in life. Even if you don't
make commitments, life will show up at
your doorstep and force you to choose.
So then they are forced into a choice.
So they get some job, right? Like you
got to pay your bills somehow. So they
kind of get like reluctantly thrust
through a particular door, but that's
not a career, right? They're not making
a choice that I'm going to be this, do
this for the rest of my life. In fact,
they hate their job. Their job is
beneath them, but they're forced into a
choice. Then what they do is they
halfass it, right? Because it's not this
fantasy that like they're not like I'm
meant for more than like stacking boxes.
This is not take advantage of my
brilliance. So they end up kind of
halfassing it. So as they halfass it,
the next thing that happens is it is
clearly less than their fantasy, right?
It's like this is like not the greatness
that I lived for. And since it's less
than their fantasy, they start to long
for their fantasy, right? So I end up
being what I hate more than anything
else, which is an ordinary human being.
But in my mind, I have great great great
dreams. So the more ordinary my life is,
the more that I hate it. I'm certainly
not going to commit to an ordinary life.
That's a terrible idea. I'm going to
long for a fantasy. And so since there
I'm longing for fantasy, but I don't
know. I can't like pick one, right? I
can't go allin for something. There's no
actual like initiation
of activity, right? And this sort of
creates something like procrastination.
They're not going to quit their job and
actually move to Hollywood. And then
what happens is they're in the perpetual
loading zone. So they get stuck in this
cycle where they're like since I can't
commit to anything because I'm terrified
of the loss of possibilities, right?
Because what if I commit to the wrong
thing? And then the other problem is
when I do try to make a commitment, why
don't I commit? I can start things, but
when I start things, it's not what I
thought, right? The actual like process
of building a video game is [ __ ]
boring. Like making cool spells is
really neat. Like coding things and
fixing bugs and debugging is not neat.
So there's this fundamental discrepancy
that prevents them from like anytime
they try to move forward in life,
they're disappointed. And they're
terrified if they move forward. Well,
like what if I end up in a life that's
disappointing? I don't want that. I
don't want to be trapped. They need
escape more than anything else. They
need freedom to have their fantasies
become realities and that's what they're
terrified of. So now what we're going to
do is go over a couple of like
psychological steps that a puerist tends
to take. Okay, so we already talked
about how nothing is ever good enough,
right? They have difficulty with
commitments. They have difficulty saying
goodbye to possibilities. There are a
couple of other psychological things
that they do. The first is they have
this belief that in the perfect
circumstances my perfection will come
out. Right? That the road to living my
dreams is not hard drab work for 10 or
15 years with a possibility that it
never will happen. The right way to have
my fantasy become a reality is to find
the perfect circumstances. So, if I can
find the right job, if I can find the
right friends, if I can find the right
if I can just find something that brings
this 24 hours of manic hard work out,
like I know I can do it in the right
circumstances. So, what they go doing is
hunting for circumstances over and over
and over again that will bring out their
perfection. The second thing that they
tend to do is blame their circumstances.
Right? So if bringing my brilliance out
requires circumstances, the perfect set
of circumstances cuz I did it for a day
and all the stars align and I was able
to do it for a day. What they end up
doing is blaming other people because oh
like the game was working great but then
like this person showed up and then I
had to do all this extra work and like
something else happened. There's a lot
of blaming of circumstances. And here's
the really crazy the craziest thing that
they blame as a circumstance is
themselves. They blame prior you. So
this is what's really important. We may
think that this is taking
responsibility. It's not taking
responsibility. Because if you took
responsibility for your past mistakes,
you would change now. You would actually
correct them. But they don't correct
their mistakes. What they do is blame
prior them as a circumstance. Oh, if I
had made the right choice back then, I
wouldn't be in this situation. But that
doesn't mean they make the right choice
today. Right? So, this is what's really
interesting is like there's this weird
self-lame
without responsibility. So, they blame
prior them for creating the shitty life
that I have today. Or they'll do things
like I I don't know if this kind of
makes sense, but like, you know, they'll
say like, "Oh, I like I never learned
how my parents didn't teach me this. I
missed the boat on that." Right? Right?
So, because so, so now if you think
about it, oh, like I never had a
girlfriend in high school, never kissed
a girl in college, never had sex, now
I'm 25, now I can't do any of that.
Like, I've missed the boat. So, if you
really think about it, they're not
taking responsibility for their
situation. They're blaming their
circumstances for their inability to
bring their fantasies to life. It's too
late for them, which is the absolute
absolution,
the absolute absolution of
responsibility, right? Because now it's
too late. So, like I certainly don't
need like normally when you're behind in
life, the way to catch up is through an
excessive amount of drab, dreary ass
work, boring [ __ ] after boring [ __ ]
after boring [ __ ] day after day, year
after year. That's actually how you put
together your life. But the thought of
that is so terrifying. I would rather
wear the safety blanket of it's
impossible for me to fix my life.
Classic Puera Tourners. Okay, so the
next thing is that they tend to be
fragile. They have an image of
themselves that is fragile. The reason
that they fail to succeed, and this is
what's really scary as a psychiatrist,
so I see this a lot, is they will point
to some physical health or mental health
thing that is the reason why they can't
do something. So, oh yeah, like my
depression is so bad. I've been
traumatized. I have an addiction.
Therefore, I cannot. My stomach hurts. I
have IBS. I've got this weird autoimmune
disease. I've got chronic lime. And this
is what's so hard about this. As a
psychiatrist, I will be the first to say
that any of those conditions can be
debilitating. But they will use the
condition which may be genuinely
debilitating as an excuse. Right? So
there when I work with people in my
office like one of the first things that
I have to solve for them is just because
you have a disadvantage there is a lot
of drab dreary work right like going to
[ __ ] Alcoholics Anonymous meetings
three times a week coming to therapy
changing your social situation deleting
contacts from your phone grinding going
to places that make you feel
uncomfortable but they don't want to do
all of those little steps. They would
rather just go to some psychedelic
retreat and be cured or just suffer and
say it's unsolvable. The one thing they
will never do is the hard work. So
there's a certain fragility to them that
they actually hold on to. They
prioritize. Okay. Next thing that
happens is that they have a defensive
arrogance. In addition, there is an
arrogant attitude toward other people
due to both an inferiority complex and
false feelings of superiority. Such
people also usually have great
difficulty in finding the right kind of
job for whatever they find is never
quite right or quite what they wanted.
There is always a hair in the soup. The
woman is also never quite the right
woman. She is a nice girlfriend, but
there's always a butt which prevents
marriage or any kind of de definite
commitment. And this is not just true of
like romantic relationships. This is
true of even a career. A hair in the
soup is, I think, the perfect example of
their experience in life. There's a
whole bowl of soup that can actually be
delicious, but there's a hair in it. I
can't just take the hair out and keep
eating. I can't be grateful that at
least I'm getting soup that's pretty
tasty. The moment that I find the hair,
it's gone. So they have this weird like
defensive ego, right, where they need to
be greater than other people. And this
is where the rucksack story comes back,
right? So this idea that like rather
than be a pleb and just carry around a
bag and have to like shop and pack and
roll up the tent every day and unroll
the tent every day, rather than doing
the dreary labor, I have this like idea
of I'm going to learn a deep yogic
breathing technique that allows me to
transcend the bounds of ordinary
humanity. I will be great or I will be
nothing at all. And the really scary
thing is that since they long for this
like exceptionalism, the world that we
live in today gives us many many
opportunities for it that like didn't
exist before. So now what we're seeing
is Pira Turney get addicted to video
games because I may be a noob and have
some dead-end job, but I'm still
terrified to go to college because what
if I major in the wrong thing? Then four
years from now, I've done all of this
work. This is what they're also
terrified of. doing a lot of work that
doesn't pay out pay off. The idea of
wasting time is so terrifying to them
that they never end up making a
commitment and they end up wasting time
again and again and again and again,
right? So they end up creating the life
which is exactly what they're terrified
of. So they can't make commitments. And
now what's happened is we have things
like video games. You know, if we have
an inferiority complex and a paradoxical
feeling of superiority, what am I going
to do? I'm going to smurf in video
games. I'm not going to actually do the
grinding to get better. I'm going to
stomp on noobs. Or they will do the
grinding to get better. Right? I'll play
this game over and over and over again
and feel myself be exceptional, but I'm
not going to [ __ ] write a paper about
theology in the 15th century. That is
beneath me. It is for the plebs. So,
video games are a great escape. I think
we're seeing this with pornography, too,
where there's this idealization, right?
Like, so like in pornography, we see all
the the pieces. We see fantasy. We see a
life of fantasy. Like the biggest
problem with incelss is not that they're
alone. It's that they want to date
someone who's a 10 out of 10. They're
not willing to date a 1 out of 10,
right? There are lots of people out
there, there are lots of women out there
who are lonely, but incelss feel
superior to them even though they're
alone. So there's this weird like
paradoxical kind of thing where like I
feel superior to people even though I'm
below them. And that's what we know is
that narcissism is rooted in insecurity.
So we're seeing that like technology is
really activating and allowing the
pueris complex to really propagate and
we have a whole generation of puera
turni. So now the question becomes okay
if you're trapped in this cycle how do
you fix it? So let's talk about this.
Jung spoke of one cure work and having
said that he is has hesitated for just a
minute and thought is it really as
simple as that? Is that just the one
cure? Can I put it that way? But work is
the one disagreeable word which no
puerist likes to hear. So how do you fix
this problem? There's one central thing
that prevents a puerist from actually
paradoxically living up to their
potential and that is that they are in
unable to make sacrifices. They are
unable to make commitments. Right? So
the whole problem of being a pluropotent
stem cell is the moment that I choose to
major in something may not work out. And
so if you want to get out of this
complex, you will notice that in your
mind, if you're someone who's trapped in
this complex, what you will notice is
that you're always looking at the
upside. Always looking at the upside,
always looking at the upside, never
wanting to pay the downside, never
wanting to pay the cost. And the one
thing that you can never do is pay the
cost without the gain. So Puera turni
want to see a guarantee of the value of
their efforts before they ever begin.
But the world doesn't work that way
which is why they struggle so much right
so like I've met I've worked with puera
turn who are like I'm happy to get a job
at a company but I don't want an
entry-level position I want a strategic
position where my ideas will be
respected. They want to start at the se
they they won't work at a job but they
will absolutely start a company right
because the other thing about starting a
company and then even if the company
requires them to make commitments then
the company will fall apart but as long
as they can do it as a side hustle as
long as it doesn't restrict their
potential they can do anything and this
is the problem with life building a life
means giving up your potential generally
speaking that's what we do this is why
things like commitment are so hard for
them. Even relationship commitment, they
will absolutely exist in these like
loading zone relationships that are
filled of complacency. Like I happen to
date this person, they're kind of like
good enough for now. They're not really
the love of my life. They don't actually
propose. They don't want to have kids.
They need some time to think about it.
They're not sure they're ready yet.
They're considering opening the
relationship. They're not willing to
commit to a person because it closes off
all of these other possibilities, but
they can absolutely be in relationships.
They can absolutely they can work seven
years at a job and get mildly promoted
over that time, but they'll be damned if
they make it their career. And if you
look at your mind, you will see this
thought process. You will see that with
every decision that you are considering
making, you are terrified of the cost of
the decision, of the closing off of
possibilities.
But the life that they crave is achieved
precisely through that. The fantasy that
they have of being an entrepreneur means
giving up college. Right? You want to be
a college dropout. But when it comes
time to drop out of college, you're
unable to do it. Having a meaningful,
healthy, and fulfilling relationship
means settling. This word
I have to settle. And that's the one
thing that they cannot do. So what we
want to do is focus on the loss and be
able to really think about look at your
psychology and look at this cycle of
paralysis of lack of commitment followed
by swimming around in the loading zone.
And then the really terrifying thing is
that like the doors start to close,
right? And then once the doors start to
close, you go to this aspect of blaming.
And the favorite person to blame is
former you. And now it's not possible
anymore. But if you kind of look at it
now that it's not possible, this excuses
you from making a commitment. This
excuses you from the drab dreary work
that you need to do to make up for the
lost time. Because when you've fallen
behind in life, you don't make up for it
by do by like discovering something
magnificent by winning the lottery. you
really make up for it by like grinding
extra hard. But their fantasy tells
them, "No, I there's some way if I find
the perfect circumstance, if I find the
right business partners, if I find this
like I can be a 32year-old, I can have I
can be broke at 32 and be a billionaire
at 35, if I find the right thing." And
so they since they're unwilling to
commit, since they're unwilling to do
drab work, then suddenly they're 35 and
they're exactly where they started. They
haven't moved at all. And now the
problem becomes worse. So now you need a
more fantastical thing to save you. And
this is the core of the psychological
problem. This is what Yun really
discovered is that they cannot make a
commitment. They cannot make a
sacrifice. They cannot pay a cost
without a guarantee of a gain. And if
you cannot do that, you will never move
forward in life. So the most important
thing to do if you're stuck in this
cycle is focus on the cost, not the
gain. Anytime they look at something,
literally like I I've worked with these
people. I am used to be one of these
people. What they sort of look at is
they look at the upside what it could
be. Their focus their their eyes are on
the fantasy not the reality because the
reality is drab. And when you get
attracted by the fantasy and you
encounter the reality hold on this is
where I wanted to go but this is what it
is. Uh-uh. Then you go back to square
one and at least you feel safe because
you didn't invest too much. So what
you've got to do is really look at the
cost. Literally what I would tell you to
do is think about the loss of potential
and try to get rid of as much potential
as you can because the potential is what
is paralyzing you. It's what allows it
doesn't it it's what traps you or makes
it incapable for you to actually take a
step forward because the moment that you
walk through one door other doors close
and that's exactly what you need to do.
start sacrificing your potential in
chunks. The second thing that's really
important for Puerto Ri is to recognize
that the real work is internal. That the
struggles that you need to fight are
internal. Right? So growth is not about
like getting promoted. It is about being
able to grind. And this is where once
again that hero complex, this is why I
mentioned the hero complex because the
hero complex can come in and hijack
this. So you'll be attracted to some
heroic versions of growth. We see this
with like the biohacking community where
it's like I want to bio I don't want to
just like eat generally healthy and
exercise. I need to optimize. I need to
biohack. I need to get more with less.
Right? I don't want to do what normal
people do. I want to figure out a really
really specific protocol that uses the
latest and modern science to create a
very special kind of health. But just
eating oatmeal, beans, brown rice,
veggies, lean protein, like you can just
eat [ __ ] drab food that is healthy
and exercise a moderate amount and do
some yoga and that will get you 95% of
the way to maximal health. There's like
pretty overwhelming scientific evidence
of that. If you need a supplement for
fish oil or vitamin D because we spend a
whole time indoors, like sure, some of
that stuff is good. But we have these
gigantic meta analyses that basically
say healthy diet, moderate exercise,
healthy socialization, fish oil, vitamin
D, and you're basically golden. That
gets you 95% of the way there. Like we
know this. It's been figured out. And
everyone is enamored that there is
something great, something magnificent,
something fantastical that if I cook
things in the right way, if I arrange
things in the right way, I will be able
to be superhuman because I just don't
want to be a pleb. The other thing that
Puera turni are really focused on. So on
the one hand they're concerned about the
loss of potential and on the other hand
they are very very very stingy with
paying costs right. So like they can't
afford to spend their time, their
energy, their money. They're some of the
most frugal people on the planet, right?
And so you need to first of all think
about closing off potential because
that's what life is. Your your potential
doors are closing. You have to make a
choice or you don't have to make a
choice. You can continue swimming around
in the loading zone. And when you make
that choice, you are right. You will be
trapped. You will be trapped by that
choice. It'll absolutely trap you. It
will be drab. It will be dreary. It will
be tra You will be trapped. You will pay
a high price and you won't have anything
to show for it. That's how you break
out. That's the core of the complex. If
you can shift this one thing, you will
break free of it. And the big irony is
that once you break free of it, then you
open the door to constellating your
life. You open your door to no longer
living a marginal existence. You open
the door to actually building something
that you can be proud of instead of
having a heroic fantasy that is like
still bypassing all of the drab normal
plebby kind of stuff. Okay. Often times
they struggle with small things too. So
I'd say on a last practical note is
focus on small things and this is why I
think that like you know Jordan Peterson
I think really likes Carl Jung and he
talks about cleaning your room and I
think that's a really good thing. So
often times your life is built not out
of like fantastical 24-hour spurts of
movement but in like really practical
small things that are done day in and
day out which feel drab. So you should
try to make your life as drab, dreary,
and trapped as possible with lopping off
sections of potential. And if you do
this, you will no longer be a puerist.
You will literally grow the [ __ ] up. And
what does it mean to be an adult? An
adult means [ __ ] doing the laundry,
doing the dishes, emptying the
dishwasher, doing the dishes again.
That's what my life is. Like literally,
right? So people can look at someone
like Dr. Okay. And they can think, "Oh
my god, like his life is great." And my
life is great, don't get me wrong. But
the way that it got here, even I was
doing dishes from 10:00 to 10:45
yesterday because my kids are at home
and they like make a mess and then they
[ __ ] parenting. It's like not
exciting. It's not fun. But that's what
life is. So, let's open it up to
questions. Jesus, dude, you are not
making a sale right now. Exactly. So, I
don't know exactly what that person
meant, right? But this person's like,
"You're not selling it to me." You're
damn right. That is the problem because
it has to be so it has to fit into this
idea of fantasy. I What do you want me
to tell you? Do you want me to tell you?
Oh my god, there's a secret technique.
There's this one enzyme that you can buy
right now for $69.95 that'll alter your
dopamineergic circuitry in a novel way.
It's this new science kind of thing. And
if you understand the science and if you
do this, instead of being a degenerate
[ __ ] loser, you can be a billionaire
entrepreneur. And it's this new secret
thing that will allow you to without any
of the drab dreary work will allow you
to accomplish all of your dreams. That's
what we see on the internet. Why do we
have all of these [ __ ] fake fitness
wellness optimization podcast
entrepreneur bros? Why do these people
exist? Because we're a [ __ ] society
of Puera Eterni. We're a whole
generation of people who are living in
our parents' basement. Like literally
50% of people under the age of 30 are
still living at home for the first time
in humanity. Well, not first time in
humanity. Used to be normal for a long
time. We're playing video games. We have
poor mental health. We're addicted to
pornography. And we have all of these
people selling us. Literally, if you
look at like these alpha male people,
they literally are selling you. It's
just a picture of a dude surrounded by a
lot of women in bikinis. and he sells
you some course to for you to enter the
upper echelons of society. You can be
everything that you claim to be in your
head. All of your fantasies can come
true. And what what do they do? How do
they sell this [ __ ] They sell this [ __ ]
by [ __ ] on normal people. They're
like, "Fuck that. I ain't ever going to
work in a UPS. That is beneath me. I
ain't ever going to date a girl who's
less than a nine. I ain't ever That's
all beta [ __ ] They're playing perfectly
into this complex of fragile ego,
inferiority, and superiority complex.
They're playing y'all like fiddles,
which is why they are huge, which is why
video games are huge. Puer Eternai used
to be a fraction of the population. It
is quickly becoming a majority. And the
really hilarious thing here is that
they've even grappled onto red pill
versus blue pill, but they kind of
flipped it around. I don't know if this
makes sense. Taking the red pill is
making the hard choice, right? It's like
you can live in your life of comfort.
You can stay in this world and be a bot
in a simulation and not know the truth
of things, but if you take the red pill,
then you will feel the harshness of
reality. I don't know if this makes
sense, though. when they idealize that
that is actually the blue pill. It is
the fantasy of being a hero instead of
the reality of being a pleb. Making the
hard choices actually taking the blue
pill and grinding away like all the
normies in the simulation with the
possibility of not achieving anything.
But we have this hero complex where I'm
going to take the red pill and I'm going
to make the hard choices. You're not
making the hard choices. You're avoiding
the hard choices. and you're magnifying
it with some hero complex in your head.
Does that make sense? It's like so weird
how the people who talk about the red
pill are actually the most bluepilled.
They're living in a world of fantasy.
And like do you guys think it's like
like this is wild. I want y'all to think
about this. Okay. Mary Louise von Frron
wrote this book. She was alive from 1915
to 1998. This is the third edition. Was
published in 2000. I don't know when she
wrote the original book. Okay. But this
is like this is a concept from like the
1950s. And like when we look at things
like red pill psychology, she's talking
about this like there's a typical form
of the same disturbance. In this case,
the image of a mother, the image of the
perfect woman who will give everything
to a man who is without any shortcomings
is sought in every woman. So that each
time he is fascinated by a woman, he is
later has to later discover that she's
an ordinary human being. Right? And
people say like, "Oh, they don't treat
human women as humans." Whatever. Sure.
But it goes deeper than that. This is
the fantasy they're living. The whole
red pill ideology is an ideology of
fantasy. And I'm not trying to like [ __ ]
on these people. I'm just saying like
like think about this y'all. This book
was like conce this concept was
conceived 70 years ago. And it so
perfectly fits what is going on in the
minds of some of these men today. Cuz
heaven forbid I lock myself in to dating
a woman who will have the horrible crime
who will commit the horrible crime of
getting older. And if she has kids, oh
my god, there's going to be bodily
changes. So instead, what I'm going to
do is I'm gonna spin plates.
I'm gonna pass on my gene pool. And
we're talking about dudes, but Puella
eterni are just as bad. The most
psychologically [ __ ] up patients I've
had in my my office are not Puella
attorney. They are the children of
Puella erni. A puella attorney is a
female pueris, right? So remains a
child. So these are people who have
fantasies of motherhood but bail.
They're people who get pregnant and then
after they have kids, they don't want to
change diapers. They're out partying.
They don't want to wipe up vomit.
They're [ __ ] absent mothers. They
want to reclaim their youth. They're
getting plastic surgery and become
influencer moms and use their children.
They don't want to do the work of
motherhood, but they will absolutely
live the fantasy of motherhood and I'm
going to show it to the whole world and
the world will love me for it. I will be
this hero hero in complex. Look at me.
I'm a woman who's just trying so hard in
the world and the world is against me
and it's never my fault and oh my god,
like I just can't wipe up [ __ ] But
instead, what I'm going to do is coach
my three-year-old for 4 hours to say
something really profound. I'll record
them and then I will upload it to the
internet and then everyone will see how
much of an awesome mother I am. Moms who
didn't do the dishes, didn't cook for
their kids, were terrified of the
changes, the natural physiological
changes that happen in their body once
they have kids. and to try to counter th
those changes will seek validation from
other sources outside of the home and
[ __ ] abandon their kids. Puella turni
are just as bad. But what I like about
this concept of pueris and puella is it
gives us a specific insight into a
specific thing that needs to change. Be
willing to be trapped. Be willing to be
drab. Be willing to be ordinary. To
radically accept the dreiness of your
life. And that is the require the
requirement of escape. But you all need
to be careful because if you're not
careful, you will heroise that. And if
you heroise it, if you say like, "Oh,
I'm going to be great by accepting the
dreiness of my life." That's the puera
turn complex hijacking it. And you'll do
it for a week. Then you'll realize, "Oh,
the heroic journey of the drab is really
[ __ ] boring." And then you'll just
start playing video games and jerking
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The video discusses the psychological archetype of the "Puer Eternus" (eternal boy) or "Puella Eternus" (eternal girl), coined by Carl Jung. This archetype describes individuals who remain stuck in adolescence, unable to make commitments or sacrifices due to a fear of losing potential and a desire for fantasy over reality. The speaker, a clinician, relates this concept to their experiences with "failure to launch" individuals, gifted children, and gamers. The core issue for Puer Eternus is their inability to bring themselves to be ordinary, leading to a cycle of disappointment when reality doesn't match their grand fantasies. They are often charming and intelligent but falter in follow-through, avoiding commitment and responsibility because it means closing off other possibilities. This is exacerbated by modern technology, which provides easy escapes like gaming and online interactions. The video explores various manifestations of this complex, including relationship issues, career struggles, and the tendency to blame external circumstances or past selves rather than taking responsibility. Ultimately, the solution proposed involves embracing the
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